Fixing a HUGE crack in a live edge slab table.
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- A tough crack requires creative problem solving, can I do it?
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0:00 Intro
Woodworking, aka how to hide and minimize all the mistakes you make. Sometimes you even make stuff you really like! As you learn what mistakes have been made you make fewer mistakes and the product comes out better. If you don't make mistakes you aren't learning.
My shop teacher always said, "A good craftsperson isn't measured by how few mistakes they make, but by how many mistakes they fix."
I think of every project as atonement for the mistakes made in the last one
I recently did series of similar fills, and if you’d had more time I’d recommend doing a thin pour, just enough to coat the surfaces, first, to reduce the likelihood of leaks. Then fill the rest. This also reduces the likelihood of visible air bubbles in the final pour, in cases where that matters. Great episode!
You did NOT fail at pouring epoxy! You improvised a neat Christmas decoration. :D Nice work, objective achieved.
incredibly helpful! love content like this that tackled issues we might run into and isn’t just regurgitating the “top 10 handtool topics”
Awesome work, Rex! 😃
Something to note is that you can use anything to give color to the epoxy. I've seen people using even crushed charcoal!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Charcoal is actually especially good for black epoxy (vs ink/dye) as it doesn't stain the surrounding wood if the epoxy seeps or overflows.
@@glittalogik Exactly!
I like to explain those type of cracks as an implosion of the wood. That space used to be taken up by moisture, and now that it's gone, it's almost impossible to clamp the crack closed. The wood split by shrinking away from the crack, so that part of the board is technically gone
You said it better than i did!
One of the best comments I ever heard in a shop (we were making armor, not woodworking, but still, I think this applies):
"How did you measure that?"
"I guessed"
"What? You have to measure that!!"
"Look, we're not Martin Marietta, and this isn't the space shuttle. I eyeballed it. Deal!"
Good job on the repair. That's not the way I would have tackled it, but that fact alone gives me more information to chew on. Well done!
When u started explaining what caused the crack i thought u would also get rid of that big knot as well.
Hopefully this repair will hold up for good!
Always a pleasure to watch your "No Bullshit" approach to your work. It really helps us out, as most of us have similar experiences.
Beautiful job on that split! This is why I love watching your show - you do such a great job of showing how you can improvise and use other techniques to fix a problem.
When pouring epoxy, I have found that House Wrap Tape works MUCH better than Blue tape. It sticks to the wood with a better grip and is MUCH less likely to leak.
had to get on that. hope you meant sheathing tape as i saw butyl wrap for joists there too. went with the transparent protection tape.
Aluminum tape used for sealing duct joints works great for epoxy
Looks great! And how will it turn out in a year? Of course, that's what we call future content!
9:15 honesty makes a great Artisan. Thank you !
I've repaired a lot of church pews. Basically what you did was how I fixed them. Good job.
Nice fix, even if you end up with an epoxy ice cycle. Interested in seeing how that repair holds up the elements. Thanks for the video sir.
We take such different toolkits on our vacations.
Very cool fix. Nice "teaching moment", too. Thanks!
I love the "on the fly" problem solving; that's how every one of my projects goes. 😏
this is not the greatest epoxy in the world, this is just a tribute!
Epoxicle?
The acoustic panels look nice!
Well done Rex!!!
Great job
the outburst. yessssss
One saw, one chisel c’mon! Some artistic licence taken????
Brilliant finish and wonderful effect.
Bob
England
I only bought a saw and 1 chisel with me. 🤣. On holiday? You sir are the handy man!
Looks like the legs were nailed or screwed into the top. Could that have contributed to the crack?
7:32 When you drop your freshly sharpened chisels on the concrete floor
I think that turned out really good. I suspect that repair is gonna last a fairly long time
Your reaction to the epoxy leaking made my day...I belly laughed so hard.
Loved the “wow” voiceover lol.
Hey Kolaman you did a great job.....
I have to ask. Do you normally bring a saw and chisel on your vacations? 🤔
Doesn’t everyone?
Imagine that at tsa
@@miki09876 checked luggage
Awesome video!!!!
Awesome video
Glad that I'm not the only one who cusses like a sailor when I get a leak on an epoxy pour.
Sometimes, you can just use epoxy mixed with sawdust and just fill in the gaps…then sand it smooth. Other times, you can counter-sink decking screws, from underneath, (paired Elmer’s wood glue) to pull it back together. Then add wood-filler to fill in the screw holes/thin lines left over, and sand it.
Great video!
Nice fix. Nothing wrong with what Rex did here. My two cents on what I would do additionally based on my experience: Add a UV inhibiting pigment to protect the epoxy from Ultraviolet rays that penetrate and degrade the epoxy resin over time, clean and scuff or score the inside surfaces to promote adhesion(maybe I missed that Rex did this step) and I would wear disposable gloves to avoid any contact with the epoxy resin as allergic reactions can develope from repeated exposure to un-cured epoxy. I still think his fix is sufficient and will last years.
Great video, really loved it.
Might be good to add an update in a year either way, maybe not a whole video but a quick intro before a main video.
I need some advice on a good mask for sanding
what would have been a seal method that wouldn't have leaked?
could have always done butterflys just on the bottom of the slab and then did the epoxy. But for not having to make butterflys and a template and bring a router i'm sure your fix will hold up great (i wouldnt have wanted to do butterflys eitther lol).
I thought you were gonna remove the knot😂
And replace it with a cut of the same wood with grain going in the same direction.
I have a large redwood live edge table that has been stored several years. It has epoxy applied over the top however the bottom is unfinished. The crack is visible through the finish as a gap however it has not surfaced yet. I need something that remains fairly runny and sets slowly to seal the crack from beneath and hopefully stabilize the crack in the future preventing the crack from revealing itself on the top and through the finish. Any suggestions for a suitable product would be appreciated.
"I only brought one saw". Rex, I gotta ask.... why did you bring a saw on vacation? (and a chisel!)
1. Every house has something to fix, even a hotel - if a carpenter is needed, you just get the tool out from your trunk and offer a fix.
2. Family knows what your good at, and when you visit them, at a given time they will come up with their question for advise or ... you know, you are good in something, maybe could you do something to it... :) That's family, they come together and everyone add something from their skills, cooking, fixing tables, whatever you need.
+1 when family gets together, nothing beats the 'boys are figuring out in the yard, what to do with that good ol' garden table, they are working together, they socialize and building team. Getting a result with joined efforts gives the family meeting more to remember, making a lasting memory whenever they get together around that fixed table next time....
Epic reaction to epoxy leak 😄😄😄😄😄
should have done butterfly keys on the bottom before the resin so you couldnt see them
Would it have helped to drill out the knot that was causing the problem and filled the hole with a plug?
That knot is the size of a baseball, so no. Also, the knot changes all the wood around it, too.
Why didn’t you you water resistant glue ?
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
the result looked really good. Did you get any bubbles?
Yes, but they're all in the underside since we filed it upside down!
the amount of wasted resources in all levels is something that always amazes me
I am just a noob and when trying epoxy pour and using blue tape as a stop, it leaked. When at my local woodworking store and I related this experience, the staff started laughing at/with me. Epoxy heats up as it is curing-drying they tell me. They gladly showed me the ResinCast Tuck Tape for $14.99. I am going to try it. Got a bunch of walnut cookies to fill in the cracks. Enjoy your videos very much!
I'm with your brother on this - I hate butterfly keys. They're ugly and spoil a piece of furniture.
I’d love to see Rex just loose his shit on a project. Throw a number 4 planar at the camera guy “Stop giving that *beep* stink eye commercial imma make your head square to the world you little weasel!”
Well, I really do not understand why this repair is more convenient than butterflies on the rear side of the table plus the same epoxy.
You should have put a piece of plywood underneath the slab instead of tape!
I like the repair, seems good for that specific table. Could you have done a bowtie (you called them butterfly keys) on the underside and not run it through the whole top?
Totally, but I'm not putting in that much work for something no one is going to see!
@@RexKrueger yeah that's fair, especially as you don't know what it will do with regards to further splits anyway
I wonder, with the way this wood was not just pulling apart at the crack but also moving up and down (the way the two sides were not level I mean), if a bowtie would even hold? They're made to keep wood from pulling apart but the way this one was warping might have just twisted the bowtie out. Even if I were to use a bowtie for decoration I'd probably chicken out and add dowels or screws in addition.
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What is the idea behind the dowels? They looked to be so loose fitting that the glue bond will be very week as well.
I think for a rustic outdoor table I would have just left it, perhaps just planing it flat. I guess you’re always looking for ideas for a video.
lol
Kudos for not using dovetails. I really don't like them. Specially after they have become a sign of a symptom repair on RUclips.
Your brother should probably institute a regular boiled linseed oil regimen. That will keep the moisture from fluctuating so much.
I think the French used to suggest a flood of wood oils and then removing the excess.
No matter what you do, fir is gonna warp. But impregnating lots of oil will give you a buffer against too much warpage. And worse comes to worst, get a really long ⅝" auger bit and screw in some ⅝" × 8" screws across that gap.
Thanks for showing us how to improvise. We need to be able to adjust our approach to fit the situation (and the customer).
You are 100% correct. Also, getting out of your comfort zone is very valuable. I need to do it more.
Whether or not the repair holds I'd love to see a one year later update if your brother is ok with it. You can always learn something by long term observation.
Hey, it's a year later and the repair looks the same! I wasn't sure it would hold, but we're good.
@@RexKrueger Wow! Now that's dedication!
You're an experienced woodworker, so you may be comfortable risking your hands with a spade bit, but probably not the best idea. Easier to figure out the depth and mark it on the bit, then no fingers need to come anywhere near a rotating blade that easily has the power to take them off.
You may think I'm just being overly cautious, but take it from someone who doesn't have all their digits, it's not worth it. It just isn't. Otherwise great job.
I completely agree, next year will be the fortieth anniversary of me losing an index finger to a revolving drill blade (industrial trepanning drill with a defective guard) which is a real long time to ponder on "I sure wish I'd kept my finger clear of that drill!". Rex, I absolutely commend your 'we learn by trying things' philosophy, but in this case The Sky Forge and myself have already taken this painful lesson for you... It's just not worth taking the risk when there is a safer practical alternative. I also thought 'Hey I'm sure it'll be okay"... right up until it wasn't!
@@doczoff5655 Amen Brother! That's exactly how it goes.
Everything is ok until it isn't.
And many years to think about the consequences.
Thanks for the support!
Was the crack caused by the slabs shrinkage being restricted by the large cross member the slab is screwed to? Remove the legs and cross members, fix the crack (which may now close properly), refit the cross members, leaving room for movement and then fit the legs.
I was amazed that he didn’t even try taking the legs off to further relive tension. Not a very good tutorial to say the least.
@@sas5177 He was on holiday to be fair and RUclips does so love epoxy.
always a treat to watch your videos. you always tackle real-world problems with a realistic set of tools. thanks. 👍
When I was a teenager I had summer job with a guy who made Custom kitchen cabinets. He said I could use hiss workshop for the space. I wan't to touch his tools. I never did use his place, because he was alway working, and he didn't really want me in his place when he wasn't there.He warned me about wood working. We all want to be these amazing craftmen, but people don't give a damn. He told me once he made this vanity reproduction. It was very expensive. So he delivered it, and the woman was so happy. About six months later he was contacted by a lawyer. The woman was sueing him because the finish on vanity was falling off. He went and looked. The woman had painted the vanity with white paint, and the paint was falling off. He said, "that's not my fault. I'm not paying." Big mistake. Rich peopl with lawyers. He said, "The only person who like your work is other wood workers." Honestly? Most people are cool, but the few that are not... Thing is, most people just don't care. A table is table.
The only protection against wealthy, lawyered-up jerks like that is to photograph the delivered product and have the client sign a release which specifically states that any problems occurring due to alteration or modification to the finish or structure of the piece are not the responsibility of the furniture maker.
Sad. But necessary.
If I have to fix this on my vacation I'm gunna get a video out of it! -- every youtuber on vacation
@Rex, can you do a video on bowties? What are they? How do they work? Why repair with bow ties?
A human against wood. A human embracing wood. We kind of do both, with RC’s wise help. Gracias.
Put the butterflies on the bottom?
Could you have done a half thickness butterfly key on the bottom surface instead of the dowels?
yes.
One of my very favourite Channels. Love your utilitarian approach 💪😎
Thanks Rex. Each and every challenge has its own solution. Your is pretty much on the mark. Love your honesty.
That was an awesome repair, Rex. I just have one question... Was there a dog in this video? 😂
thank you Rex .
Great channel subscribed
I love how your new space is coming along. The sound is a lot better, and those panels add some visual interest to the background. A big improvement over the bare walls.
Testing.... Omg I would one and s'more pile.
Awesome build.
I’ve got the same issue with a table I want to make, it’s got about 3mm difference which I can flex back, I plan to resin pour the gap hoping it holds it flush. My crack goes almost along the entire table.
Thoughts?
Or should I lock it in place like you did?
Neat fix! Though I do kinda think you'd want to stabilize the crack a lot further down where it's forming, if possible. This should last a while though, and I hope we get to see it after refinishing. Thanks! (Also, you nearly made me spit out my beverage when you enthusiastically bleep-swore. Was not expecting that, lol!)
Ok, so let's have it straight: 0:35 "[...] I am kind of on vacation [...]", 3:36 "[...] I only brought one saw with me [...]" - question is "who on vacation takes saw in the first place?", it's like a Dexter kind of thing... "All right, than. Keep your secrets" mem.
After having finished the job….., you should have flailed about wildly, in a mad stupor like Joe Cocker at Woodstock.
THIS would have insured that the repair would hold for YEARS!!
Remember this for Next Time!
Okay!!!?
The imperfections, including the epoxy repair, are that tables story. 🧡 It’s like our scars and wrinkles and age spots …
You're on vacation, but you have a saw and chisel with you. Do you have a onesie with attached cape, too? An "R" inscribed onto the chest of said onesie.
Wherever there's a chair with a wobble. Wherever there's a bookshelf that sags....
Come on, man! You are on vacation.
Please, when you need tape that sticks, use the yellow stuff. The blue masking tape has a not so sticky adhesive for a reason... it's purpose is for masking delicate surfaces. But since it costs more, everyone is like "Oooohhh... this must be better!". It's not. Unless you have a delicate surface to mask.
So NEXT year for any cracking : dont bring tools on Vaykay! "Ohhjh i dont have any tools to do it. Just gotta relax i guess!?" lol buy tools at wierd antique shops that need sharpening 🤩
Surely this doesn't work? The wood will move via expansion and contraction and the epoxy can't so the wood will eventually split again.
You went with what was my first impulse for how to fix this. I'm now hoping that we, maybe on your next visit, get a followup demonstrating how this fix has held up.
Anyone else imagining the brother is just Rex in a wig.
As is the rest of the family, a la The Krumps?
Just me? I’ll shut up.
got a question for you , i'm a hobbyist woodworker, i use mainly hand tools , thats why i love all your videos. recently started making walking canes , bending the wood with open flame after soaking the branches for a few days in water. sometimes while bending , i'' ll get a split on the top of the bend , ill try to warm it up again , glue it and tie it with strong wire and let it dry , for a few months as the wood dries out . is there something else i could do to strengthen that split spot so that it doesnt open up in the future?? thanks for your help
SUCH LANGUAGE! I'm sending you a bar of soap so you can was your mouth out!
I'm a beginner and was curious...would it be wise to drill a hole at the end of a crack to attempt it from spreading further? Then put a dowel in the hole?
Off to visit family, what saw should I bring with me? Only you have this thought before taking a trip. LOL
This is what happens when you're in the trades bro, there's no such thing as a vacation; they're all working vacations.