Volkswagen Touran vs Citroen Grand C4 Picasso vs Kia Carens 2017 review | Head2Head
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2016
- Watch our family MPV group test of the VW Touran, Citroen C4 Picasso and Kia Carens. Mat Watson finds out which is best in this versus video review.
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Tried both a C4 grand Picasso and a Touran. Sorry the Touran is miles better. The dashboard layout is no nonsense and logical with clean lines. Middle seats are nice and big. Rear seats have loads of head room. Closing the doors, you have that airtight sound which will reduce road noise. Sound system is good, lcd screen is quick and responsive. Really good overall MPV no matter how boring the exterior looks.
to each their own... the C4 is way quieter at 130kph, easyer to drive and you wont feel like you got a sure ass after a long drive, i also preffer the dashboard layout and the speedometer location wasnt really an issue after a few hours of driving... in fact i think its in a more logical spot since it sits higher than the standard spedometer and you see more of the road if you look at it...
i dont get your point with the middle rear seat ... you dont get more room than that in any car....
but did you check the chassis becouse VW is pretty bad with their greese coatings and they start to rust in less than a year while citroen has superb factory coating
this didnt come out of my ass... i baught 2 tourans and 4 grand picassos for my firm and i had no issues with the citroens other than a faulty batery not to mention my workers preffer to drive them over the VW.... with the VW i hard to change a timing belt, fuel pumps and i had to take them to get the chasis coated so that they are protected from the elements since VW is just crap with that
You never tried C4 picasso. 🙂
@@RePlayBoy101my colleague's 2017 Touran TDI is going on six years with zero issues while my friends' C4 Picassos have all been in the workshop for engine oil leaks, injector failures, battery charge controller failures and that famous PSA adblue tank failure which cost $2000 a pop in this country. The local owner community is up in arms about it.
French cars gonna be French cars.
Nice video. Just one little thing that Matt forgot to mention about the picasso. There is extra room at the back behind the last seats and under. We traveled this summer, one baby, 3 adults, 3 kids, we still managed to fit 4 cabin lugages at the back and one in front of the baby seat. Also the JBL sound system is pretty good :)
Think he was a vw fan. Let's be honest
@@riccidivito2236 or he knows the c4 electrics are shit and full of problems
@@lazycarper7925 6 years with C4 GP 2.0 Blue HDI (136 000 km) and zero problems with electronics.
@@artask your lucky
@@lazycarper7925 you're
I have driven both as rental cars. The Citroen and the VW. The Picasso feels two classes higher in terms of ride, comfort and interior.
It also has the best stock stereo i've ever come across (JBL) and its navigation was better (more accurate) than that of the Touran.
Most reviews reinforce this idea. Seems the guy doing the review was more interested in cracking jokes.
@@mikescudder4621 yea Mat needs to do some long distance travel reviews and he wuld quickly pick the citroen over VW XD
According to the reliability ranking Citroen C4 picasso has 14th place, Volkswagen Touran 43th! ADAC 2010 year!
Reliability isn't everything
@@CyAn-S It is!!!
@@lde2100 Well for me it isn't. If I had to choose between a car that is avarage in reliability but interesting, or a car with top notch reliability but a lot less interesting, I'd still pick the less reliable car.
With interesting I mean good looks on the exterior AND interior, it should be fast and nimble enough, smooth working and current technology for comfort and usability on the road.
Yes i'd pick the Picasso over the Touran or Kia any day. But not because of it's reliability.
@@CyAn-S Reliability ranks lower for you than interesting? Ok. Guess you haven't been stranded before on the roadside or in a situation when your car wouldn't start in the morning.
@@mouselim72 nope. I havent. Even my father who has had various cars on lease for 4-5 years each and around 150k KM was never stranded. Even on long journeys. Spoiler alert, none of them were Japanese or Korean and one was even a 2010 BMW 3 series. 0 issues. Not even electronics. So... cars can't be fun or "fancy" and run well? Don't think so.
Given the situation, of course, I will always regret buying a reliable car that I don't really enjoy/like more than buying a less reliable car that I love.
That Citroen looks nice for its class.
Athenastarbrite absolutely best car we just bought one today and its the best big Car we ever owned
@@breakfree1967 howz the citron still going strong. planning to buy family car still can't decide. thank you
@@pabinmagar3520 i have a grand picasso and also had the last gen. Great cars and are very happy. I have the 2015 model and it still looks brand new. I think its a good buy
@@rsgames4750any major issues with it? Which engine did you go for? Oh, and auto or manual?
One thing was forgotten in the test: How about the built-in sound system? That is important! Driving should be fun, and it is more with good music!
I wish they had added the S Max to this review
you guys are working very hard can you do an video for the audi s8 plus vs the competaators and drag race thanks
Very entertaining and quite informative. I can't see the point of criticising the lack of luggage space with all 7 seats up. If you need that, then get the full size MPVs. These are very good but large and expensive. The mid size MPVs are a very decent compromise.
I don't really see the point of having climate controls within the touch / infotainment system. I really like the fact that if having a real button, lever or knob I can go always to same spot without even looking, without having to go thru a menu or screens.
I'm just about to trade my 2012 Touran 1.6SE DSG with 73,000miles on the clock for a 2017 1.7cdi DCT Carens with 46,000 miles. I've had the Touran for two years and it is absolutely the most troublesome and unreliable car I've ever owned. It spent more time in the garage than on my drive. Here's the list; water-pump, EGR Valve, ABS pump and finally gearbox. Apparently mine was the DQ200, apparently notoriously failure prone if not serviced every 40,000 miles, but mine had been and it still packed up. With repairs running at £5000 in two years (half of what I paid for the car) It had to go. I'll miss the elevated seat position, but that's all. I definitely won't miss waiting for yet another orange light to come on in the dash. My day to day runabout is a diesel C3 - 83,000 miles and it never goes wrong. I chose Kia over Citroen because of the warranty. Peace of mind!
What did you expect from rubbish german car manufacturer.
@@sl077766 Yes look at those German cars now. 20 years ago u could call them cars now u call them rust buckets. Mercedes, BMW they not what they used to be Volkswagen well its more pricey then it used to be but its still something i wouldnt buy. I always did like the style of the French cars or reliability of Japanese cars. Germans lack style and they not reliable anymore. Its like u need to buy a new one every 5 years if you dont want to spend ure days in a garage after that.
@@sl077766 he bought a diesel, diesels nowadays are restrained by all of the filters and adblue, buying a diesel today makes no sense because all of them have problems.
@@kalczarobert i have had good experiences with VW but i only bought new cars and keep them on average for 8 years and no more than 120,000km.
It is completely normal on a dry clutch gearbox to change the clutches every now and again, this happens on all dct dry.
Car companies prefer them over a torque converter because they are cheaper to make and have lower C02 emissions. On more powerful engines 250nm+ dct gearboxes have wet clutches which are very reliable but a bit overkill on a 1.6L engine.
I don't see why it's the end of the world to change the clutches which are not expensive every now and again, it makes up for the fuel consumption.
Watched a few of your reviews Matt, thanks for a really good rounded reviews. They're reviews you can use to genuinely compare. Cheers!
I get 38mpg out of my Citroen C4 GP
but we have alot of mountains to drive on.
we love it because we can get 3 kid seats on one row, without forcing the door to close.
what engine?, and what mpg do you get on a motorway on a steady run
For me the Citroen would be the best!
We have one!
Why
Citroen grand Picasso 20Hdi is the best, very fast and very fast and sexy!
Just love the cruising of the Touran. I would not trade it for anything else. Kudos. The fact that I can also attend to my calls through Bluetooth helps on long drives. The seats are comfortable, great fuel consumption and peformance. Yeah! Great family car. Ranking has no effect on me rather the utility of the vehicle. I love the length, the space and the running.
The Touran is good but nowhere near the Picasso. The Picasso in Exclusive trim is absolutely great in all aspects with amazing features.
I bought the Citroen after trying the VW. Reason - it’s usable space is greater than the other 2 . I’ve now done several 640 mile journeys to France , 3 adults, 2 teenagers, a dog - in a crate and all out luggage for a three week holiday. 70-80mph on large parts of the journey. Car returned 52mpg (120bhp 1.6 diesel) . Arrived after 13 hours feeling fine, zero arguments from the children etc.
For me, the Touran is the best looking if you spec with xenon lights and big wheels. And of course, the R-line model looks amazing
entertaining and helpful videos - I hadnt heard of Car Wow before so good advertising too.
Great review really informative info thanks Matt, i have chosen the C4 Picasso got a bargain 2015 with 12,000 miles ex mobility with 2 years Citreon dealership warranty remaining on it plus 2 years added warranty cover from the car sales i bought it from so 4 years warranty cover and its the 1.6 diesel exclusive model 120bhp all for £12,000 for a car that cost £32,000 12 months ago lol the Touran was more expensive tbh,
what mpg do you get on a steady run on the motorway
I had the last Touran. Then bought the C4 Grand Picasso.... I liked it more than the Touran, but the children and most rear passengers get car sick. Really car sick!! Too much roll.
With seven seats in place you use a roof rack to haul stuff.
Dear carwow,why not flat the middle rows first? (Citroen)
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yo did u already do this video eirlier!???
Very good review,better than carbuyer definitely,I think opposite from Math,the design of Touran is dull only from front,the back actually looks modern and sharp...
is this a re upload?? why!
Nice review, felt you were way too harsh on the VW's styling and the Picasso was just odd for being odds sake and I thought it was the Kia that was the dullest. Still it's just one own opinion so..
How good is the 1.4 litre 7 seater VW Touran, at climbing steep mountain Roads like the Lake District UK?
Volkswagen Sharan,Ford galaxy,Vauxhall Zafira. PLEASE DO THE MAIN MPVS
We all know WV (concern) wins in every test Mats does. 🙂
I love Carwow's comparisons, they actually did decide which is the best
A comparison between the BMW 1-Series, the new Audi A3 facelift and the new Mercedes A-Class facelift would be great
It's coming in a few months
Awesome!
+carwow when?
You know the Picasso is not bad at all. The Touran is very cool because it has more space and very wide. The Kia carens is little bit very good but the caren boot is so small it's also new
Love your videos. However, would completely disagree with your opinion about the looks of the Touran. Personally I think that one looks far smarter than the other two. Guess it just boils down to individual taste. Thanks for sharing these great videos.
Citroen is my winner. Clean Motor! Miles per Imperial Gallon: 40 in summary.I just bought one on March 2016, but the last model year . And I have to say that is an enjoyable car to ride and drive.I like cruising and sportive driving.
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German motorways are somtimes free for high speed driving with three lanes.
A fantastic car with 150 hp. The Exclusive model is an excellent choice.The seats are much easier as you do!
eagle1effi I have a Citroen grand c4...grwat car but just about the semi-auto gearbox...yuk!
If comfort is important for you, and you have 5 tall people. The Citroën is the best option. Better than S max or other competitors.
@Joy Division
2.0 l
TURBO
16V
47 KMH TO 112 KMH IN 4.7 SECONDS.
3rd gear.
YOU CAN'T BEAT
USING PREMIUM DIESEL!
6 gear manual
The Touran is smaller than the Caddy, but it sure is more modern in every sense. MPVs are pretty big in the Philippines too.
Someones training biceps a lot lol! Awesome review!
It's cos he can't talk without waving his arms about. Nightmare at the dinner table he is
LOL!!! Hilarious!
Mat, how do you measure fuel consumption?
Are you relying on the on-board computer or do you check when fueling up?
I have never come across an on-board computer that gets accurate mpg and the difference from vehicle to vehicle can be quite big.
I have driven every Touran and own two. Absolutely amazing cars. They're heavy but they haul ass like a sumo wrestler. Fit all your family and friends plus two dogs. The DOHC 1.6Tdi is great for A roads, the SOHC 1.9-2.0Tdis are great for motorways. Get the sports package, the alloys look great and it's nice to have good brakes.
MATT WATSON IS THE BEST REVIEWER!!!
Thanks Manos
but the fucker hasn't aged well and he dresses like one fucking tramp.
Shots fired
Agreed. And he kinda looks like The Twilight Zone's Rod Sterling.
+carwow Let me know about these fuckers Carwow and I will shitting deal with them Awoh Rastamouse I mean man seh suh Awoh Desmond's yeah mon y'all remember them I'm ATL Georgia in the states by the way to let y'all know I love my British people more than us yankees don't tell y'all that tee hee bye for now.
Matt got sponsored by VW. ;)
Citroen wins, looking to replace mine with another one. Beautiful car and great to drive
Can you review the mercedes a-class please? (facelift)
Hi Jason, it's on our list to film - should be here in a month or two
When he said " oh it fights back " at 1.00 he sounded German
+carwow, will you do comparison video vw touran against merc b class and bmw 2 series active tourer?
Citroen looks fantastic.
The only thing I can think is a truly free one in this app I have had to pay to get for this
You haven't made a video of mitsubishi grandis
I don't care about the result too much since it's MPV's, but you did spoil the result of the test in the thumbnail. Picture of you beside the Touran and the C4 and Carens in the back :)
3:50 nice gains men :)
Still remember when you had to fix the 3rd row seats in the boot of mpv's. It was hard as hell as the seats weighed a ton, but ultimately the third row passengers would have the same seats as second row ones and when not needed you'd have a massive boot.
I know what you mean, we have a 20 year old Citroen Synergie that has 7 full size, comfortable seats. It has done over 156,000 miles and never broken down and always passes the MOT. None of this modern, electronic shite with DPFs and all that, just an old reliable diesel
Those were the days
Missed the Zafira out?
The Carens being the oldest is quite normal to be lacking in certain aspects. It is no surprise the Touran wins hands down because it is a brand new model based on a new platform.
i have bought a kia carens 5 place and im realy satisfeid
Buy the VW for the Badge, the Kia for its warranty and the Citroen because if you have a large family, it’s the only one that can accommodate them.
why no ford s-max???
Apart from the fiddly touchscreen on the Picasso, it's definitely the car I'd buy. It looks gorgeous, the ample glass surfaces are amazing and it's ok enough to drive. The seats aren't as fiddly once you get used to them.
Heute einen neuen Touran 1.5 TSi Trendline 150 Ps gekauft mit 6-Gang Handschaltung - Business Pack Pro - Panoramadach - Family Pack - 7 Sitze - Dolphin Grey metallic fur (nur) 27745,28 €....Lieferung ende Februar...👌👌....ich muss sagen das der Citroën mich auch sehr gefallt...
I have a Grand Picaso and i find the touchscreen perfectly fine- it just takes a bit of getting used to. Defitintly better than the Touran. Plus the seating situation on the Citroen is fine- ur just impatient- rly not that big of a deal
what a fiddle, what a fiddle...argh!!
ahhh! it fights back!! haha gotta love Mat
Citroen the best family car ever 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
0% Quality. 😂
@@ismailtrbz8427 zero quality? i have one with 300 000 miles. and u?
Citroën categoric!!
...this is the 2nd group test you did.
Volkswagen Touran And Citroen grand C4 Picasso Are the best and winner. I would love those cars because it has comfy seats. Nice style
I agree.
Love how the Germans spend time on what matters, engineering. The better engine, driving feel, overall quality, interior space, and ease-of-use (look at how easy to fold down all seats!). Sure it looks dated already but it's where my money would go.
Germans fake everything, therefore they are almost never best. Citroen is best in this class hands down.
The Germans use too many options to jack up the price.
Better engines? By faking emissions tests?
Driving feel? Ford and French manufacturers are better on that side.
Overall quality? Yes, apart from soft-touch plastics, a Toyota is way better mechanically, on the hidden things that the user can't see.
Ease-of-use? You never tried to use BMW or Mercedes infotainement.
Your money goes into the badge and the uber-marketing.
+pxidr- you think the german cars have higher overall quality but not so about their engines??? My research shows the opposite. You said something about the plastic in German cars being better. My old 2000 Toyota solara SLE V6 was comparable to BMW 525i AS FAR AS FIT N FINISH and leather/wood quality but 525i had a higher performance engine. YES, the Germans make Good engine and have attractive exterior styling. Up until recently, the only BMW that came standard with real wood/leather was the 6 and 7 series. I have a book that tells all the standard/optional equipment on all cars for 2006 and the 3 and 5 series had vinyl upholstery listed as standard but real wood/ leather was optional until you got the higher level 550i and premium pkg on 3s. The only leather on a standard 3 series was the steering wheel. I also found that the leather/wood on my solara aged better then the 06 3 and 5 series I tested. Even the wood/leather on the 745i I tested aged poorly except for the one I found that had the optional upgraded wood/leather pkg. I agree when you said it has a lot to do with the badge.
think just think did you watch the video? if yes why are you saying such dumb thing like the citroen is class leader?
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limousine test? s class, big 7 and a8?
Oh yes - we've got those cars booked in for a few months time. Watch this space.
The new Panamera was announced, do you know when it can be reviewed?
No need to vote, C4 is the king of family car in this area. I've been using one for the last three year - take it from me, there's no rival.
where are the dodge caravan and the Honda Odyssey....
At least put a S/C-Max in it... because my Touran 2011 drives great, I haven't found anything more comfortable, but now it reaches 10 years it's 1 repair after another. After 170k a new (double) clutch went in and I am looking at a revision of pistonrings. Over the past few years I tried bmx, alfa stelvio, renault grand scenic, tiguan, audi etc. but I drive home smiling in my Touran. The seats are great, it's quiet and it floats over the tarmac. So it probably grew on me but looking for another better brand which reaches the standard of comfort and practical use as the Touran!
My dad not that long ago bought a 2020 grand picasso c4 and it's pretty nice I just wanted to see a review.
I think the VW Sportsvan is the best value for money veedub
3:45 Race
5:03 the best way to do seat folding
5:06 easy
Is it necessary to show who won in the thumbnail?
Thanks for the feedback! We'll have an argument about this in the office ;)
Who is here that the last touran that remumber is from tokyo druft?
Yeah the seat folding what not biased at all...
Where is the Opel?
F in chat
I own the a 2008 vw touran 1.9 tdi 6 speed manual 369000km and a 2007 Citroen C4 Grand Picasso 2.0 petrol 6 speed Automatic 225000km. The touran has been ti the mechanics shop 4 times already in the past 4 months. It's there now because the engine turns off while driving at anytime and cranks but wont start for 30 seconds. Picasso rides smoother, more reliable, more luxurious with the glass, more features and better radio, feels kind of like a lexus compared to the Volkswagen. 🎉
Which is the most reliable of the lot ?
It must Carens
Before I watch it I think he’ll pick the VW Touran
Review the Mitsubishi xpander in asia
I may be a dull engineer, but the logical layout, practicality and "boring/conservative" looks are very appealing. Ended up buying used 2018 facelift version of Touran (based on Carwow reviews) and it has been the best car in practicality sense with couple of kids. One disappointment has been reliability and I'm still little bit anxious when flywheel, DSG or something else blows up...😅 Going to sell Touran before 200k on ODO..
I go for carens
Now I'm going against other comments but in my opinion the Kia doesn't look like a van like the other 2. Got the longest warranty too
Long warranty doesn't equate to ultra reliability. A truly reliable car wouldn't need a warranty at all!
i got carens
Plz help
I have 4 children i need one of this car....which one u recommend to me
VW Touran has 5 isofix fittings, so it's a safe bet. Don't know about the other two.
Deni Zg But the VW is unreliable
Citroen I would reccomend. We have 1 (The older generation) and it is doing the job just fine! Ton of space,It's economical (1.6-Diesel 110hp) And has enough torque to pull its weight and beyond.
Otto Nikola Only thing that is unreliable here, is your comment. Cheers
I kinda doubt it. Knowing the 'check engine light' thing that VW and VAG group in particular is known for doesn't sound like 'reliable' to me.
I'd prefer the VW. If I'm driving a car I would care more about it's practicality not the looks, even if I do prefer the looks
In Canada the kia is called a Rondo 2 l gas and it goes like hell,fun to boot around in but we have no diesel option on 98 % of our cars, sad.
Diesel in Europe are really unreliable because of all the filters and adblue and super expensive to fix, so you are better off.
@@dragospahontu wow I was in Europe twice once in early 80's and the diesel as I remember was good but when I returned in the 90's it was terrible, go figure. Diesel in Alberta is excellent, but it's refined about 16km from my city.
@@timpeterson2738 it's about the engine, they are chocked to death by the filters and ad blue, they can't last more than 300,000km. And they are extremely expensive to repair.
it is good car. I like it.
Cool cars
I test drove the citrone today most amazing car ive been feels like an audi well it does to me since I had a cirone c4 grand picasso vtr+ 2007
Really love matt watson review!
Thanks man!
Picasso is best
The Touran is the best family car ever and it’s practical and has a brilliant interior ❤🎉
3:48. Those arms
Citroën C4
The citroen is REALLY confortable it's a really good car !
Until you try to sell it and nobody wants it?
you don't buy a car for sell it and there is no problème for sell à picasso 😕
Pierrot DMC12 Le Normand
Yes there are problems trying to sell a Picasso or any French car really. So you buy your cars and keep them for 10 years? or do you just dump them as trash at age 3?
my father sold his Picasso without problème ( he sold it to Citroën )
Pierrot DMC12 Le Normand
But for what price? They don't hold value well, that's my point.
3:45 starting the race
Drag Race with mpv
And the cloth seats are more comfortable than leather!
i like the exterior looks of the Citroen C4 "GRAND" Picasso (it sound's better this way), but the interior ( the dash and the cubby holes) it's a big NO-NO, by the way the "race" did not end very FLAT (like the others) for the VW Touran !!!!