What Car? reviews seven-seat MPVs - Vauxhall Zafira Tourer, Seat Alhambra & Citroen Grand C4 Picasso
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2014
- Subscribe: bit.ly/1fBCZIl MPV buyers want plenty of space for their family - young and old - and need it to be able to carry loads of kit and be easy and flexible to use. What Car? pitches three of the best seven-seat MPVs against one another. Read more at ow.ly/tiVlf
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Seat Alhambra is not same class of car like Citroen (Grand) Piccaso or Opel Zafira., Alhambra is in the class with Ford galaxy ,VW Sharan,Renault espace ... , Seat Altea XL ,VW Touran is in the class with Piccaso and Zafira .
+Mr11ESSE111
it's total bullshit, altea xl has 30cm shorter wheelbase (which is the main factor influencing the internal space) so it is totally out...and of course altea xl is not 7seater... touran is 7 seater but again with 20cm shorter wheelbase tahn gran picasso
so yes comparing alhambra with whelbase 5cm larger than gp (or sharan for that matter) does make a sense although better comparison with grand picasso would be with s-max which is almost exactly the same size (actually bit smaller on 3rd row)
Yeah but this is the Zafira Tourer
@@terrificspokesman7416 still smaller then alhambra
Thank you for stating the length of storage at the back rather than the capacity as most other channels do.
Best review I've seen! Very detailed. Look at cars from real users' perspective.
I had a 2002 Alhambra which my dad bought new in 2002 for 35 thousand Euro's. We put over 28 thousand miles on it before we had to sell it a few years ago. I want it back
I think that this is one of the best reviews of late. Part of the reason being they didn`t test it from the viewpoint of boy racar so to speak - body roll in corners & heavy emphasis on the sportiness of the car rather than comfort and everyday usability of cars.
I absolutely agree with the winner being Grand C4 Picasso II + the new EMP 2 platform is absolutelly amazing. This generation of the Grand C4 Picasso is not just 140 kg but 160 kg lighter than the predecessor - lower emissions & fuel consumption. The Zafira and Alhambra are heavier and firmer.
By the way Seat Altea XL is the competitor of the Grand C4 Picasso and Zafira. Alhambra is understaindably bigger and more expensive because it`s competing against C8, 807, Espace, Galaxy, S-Max, etc.
I was sceptical at first buying a 2014 zafira tourer have drove everything else but absolutely love my 7seater plenty of room and comfortable brilliant and reliable made a good choice
The car of our dreams: Opel Zafira Tourer !
The comparative isn't correct, the seat alhambra not is a medium MPV is a big MVP ( Sharan, Galaxy, Space...) the correct it's Altea XL and Touran.
Yeah theses people dont get there facts correct
That's correct
Alhambra is form different world
Turan is right comparison to c4 and zafira
Correct, they should have used a VW Touran
One reason to go for the 2.0 rather than the 1.6 in the Citroen is the auto box. Much smoother EAT6 unit rather than the older ETG6 in the 1.6.
A very good review. I owned a previous Picasso and drove it all over Europe and in all weathers. I had it from new and drove 167,000 miles without a breakdown. I love them. It would have been nice to include the Renault Grand Scenic and Ford S-Max in this review as the Seat is really a larger group e.g. Galaxy and Sharan etc,
mikeymarmalade citroen is shit
The scenic is trash 🗑
@@Jameshoward999 Citroen is worse
Agreed. But the most overlooked is the Verso.
I'm getting fed up of hearing about Citroens 'jerky' semi auto gearbox, yes the original was pretty hard to get to grips with but since then it has been updated three times and now unless you try and drive it like a boy racer it is pretty smooth, yes you do notice the gear changes in auto mode but nothing as dire as suggested in ALL the reviews I have seen. My Grand Scenic semi auto is actually dangerous when pulling out at junctions and roundabouts but I've never seen this or heard this mentioned in any review. I have road tested all the cars in this combined review and I am awaiting delivery of my new Citroen, best of the bunch for the money.
David Caruso lol I never heard someone call a Citroen dangerous and say it better than a German car in the same sentence and also the seat is not even in this class 😂
The real winner of this review is... the review. Very well done!
That's the most comprehensive MPV review I've seen. I do agree with the comment about reliability of these cars; in which case I'd consider the Toyota 7 seat Verso or the VW Touran. As for the Ford Galaxy, that should be renamed the Ford Addison Lee (if you're in London you'll understand)!
Good to see Olive from On the Buses back on our screens
Lol.. Corker! ☺️
If ask me, I will go for the Citreon. The challenges wil be parts and experienced technicians here in Nigeria. Nevertheles the Citreon is my choice.
Very good review
What I find odd is that comfort of seats isn't really discussed.I like the seat (although -> not same class reviewers o.O) and the opel but as someone that has issues with her back, rides that take longer than 20 minutes just exclude both due to starting to hurt.Even in the VW something( high end bussiness model) it's not as comfortable as in our citroen.
Zafira Tourer the best minivan, Opel super auto!!!
No sharan
Citroen have really upped there game and it’s just as good to drive as my previous bmw? Now that’s saying something
C4 is the best here for comfort, luxury and that feeling of relaxation while spending in it.
I dont think so, I previously test drove the Grand Picasso and the Ford S-Max, I think the suspension on the Citroen was a little jerky on bumpy roads and the wind noise was a little too much, the interior was a little nicer on the Citroen though..... So I ended up buying the S-Max and I dont regret it...
Andreas Lie
Well Seat Altea XL is the competitor of the Grand C4 Picasso and Zafira. Alhambra is understaindably bigger and more expensive because it`s competing against C8, 807, Espace, Galaxy, S-Max, etc.
I think that the main reason for comparisons of the Grand C4 Picasso with say the S-Max or Galaxy etc. is just it`s size. Compare the Grand C4 Picasso with the Grand C-Max and you`ll notice it`s quite bigger and more refined etc.
+ I sat in the Grand C4 Picasso 2 months ago and I have to say it`s comfortable.
The German cars are generally way firmer both seats and suspension and I don`t like that.
My sister has the previous generation Fiesta and that goes for firmness goes for her too. But the current now outgoing Mondeo is firmer still I was really dissapointed by it - the seats and also the suspension much to firm. So if the now outgoing S-Max is as firm as the now outgoing Mondeo than I can say the Grand C4 Picasso is more comfortable definetly.
How come that you didn`t wait for the upcoming S-Max? Because of the price maybe?
Well, yeah, its a little too expensive, but I might look at it as my next car again, if I need an MPV by then
But you know that the S-Max is made in Belgium, right?
Ive ordered the new citreon Grand Picasso with the Blue Engine and i so cant wait too get it in 5 weeks time......
you must be the proud owner of the c4 picasso now, whats it like ??
+Steve Marshall it sucks so hard and he's ashamed to even reply.... well, just my guess... 😋
+Felix Lau lol
At last a review which mentions the extra two seat in the back. The adult test is a great idea.
its a good idea but they tend to criticize the car if an adult can't comfortably fit in the far back seats, even though they're designed for kids...
i put the tourer first!
a) it comes with a lifetime 100k mile warranty
b) you can get big discounts on them new
c) i have one, they are very good - only downside is boot space is minimal with all 7 seats up
d) its the only mpv thats as aero-dynamic as any porsche!
laurence9618, I love zafiras but like seat
The legroom for middle row central passenger is the most comfy in Citroen, because there is no transmission tunnel. The is one more detail, which is worth of consider. Kneeroom for a driver. I checked three of them and Citroen Picasso won. I own Citroen, and have triplets. There is no ideal choice, because you can invest in your car or in the future of your children, for instance.
How are you getting on with the citroen c4 now ? I'm looking at getting one for my family but have never owned a French car before.
Never buy Citroen, Peugeot, Opel, Renault and Fiat
The Alhambra is the best I had 1 but traded it for a traracco and the last row is very small compared I will buy an Alhambra again
good review i drove the 2006 zafira to benidorm there & back from newcastle twice in 1 year the 2nd time i drove i was involved in a 80mph crash when a car hit the passanger door at a junction and my wife and i were not injured 1 bit i would give that vauxhall a 5 star rating on saftey whats this years rating?
I would definitely say the seat alhambra is the best in my experience along with the vw sharan. They feel so nice to drive and have plenty space.
I found the smaller Citroen C4 Picasso very, very comfortable, how comfortable can the Opel then be (after seeing this review)? :)
I'm a 17 year old driving a supermini and looking at buying another, honestly don't know how I managed to end up here.
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The build quality of the sharan / Alhambra is miles ahead of the other two.
They pass mot after mot and still feels as tight as it was at 100k miles as when it was new.
The Picasso in particular turns into a bag of nails.
It just feels so loose after a while.
Ball joints and bushes start failing and it just feels slack.
I agree with you, Citroen starts to lose its assembly quality after years, but the opel is over engineered with a high long lasting quality
if getting a diesel and your dp filter light comes on you can clear it by parking somewhere, put it into neutral and hold the revs steady at 2500-3000rpm till it clears takes anywhere between 8-20mins. do not rev too hard or you will damage the engine - also only do it when the engine is warmed up
Is this for all makes of car ?
Well that sounds like it would be great for the environment, sat there running an engine at revs for up to 20 minutes with no intention of going anywhere. Wonderful.
But which one is going to actually KEEP working after 3 years... because it's not the Citroen is it....
hermoso vehículo es el Vauxhall Zafira , acá en Argentina se vende como Chevrolet Zafira es manofacturado en Brasil , saludos
why no ford s-max or galaxy on this test??
Probably because they would beat all 3 of them
Unfair comparison!
Seat could be represented by vw group 7 seat touran
Grand Picasso is the best. I would get the base model 1.6HDi VTR in White
Harry Lee lol just bought that same modle
3 child seats across the middle - great. Then how do you use the rear seats?
Ik I'm 5 YEARS late but pull the down
Use only one and entrer through the trunk!
The best proper mpv is the Chrysler grand Voyager or in second place the kia Sedona.. Anything else is a waste of time for a 7 proper seater!... Has anybody else got any alternatives without breaking the bank?
Zafira id say is the best all rounder considering value
Seat is best
Strange they decided to compare a full size MPV (Seat) with two compact MPVs. The VW Touran or Grand C-Max would have been better alternatives.
Zafira tourer is classed as large mpv
@@MrRohanThomas I think you are mistaken. Zafira Tourer is regarded as a compact MPV the likes of the Alhambra and Galaxy etc are full size and around 7-8 inches longer and 3-4 inches wider.
I have black zafira it’s thebesttttttt
Not bad zafira
where's the spere wheels
Under the car 😂
3 kids, one slim pram
Zafira can't count coz all MPV Cars Must have Obligatory Tray Tables However the rest do
Price tell the different
You haven't taken into consideration, the reliability of all three manufacturers, which in my humble opinion is a critical decision making factor.
You are thinking about VW large quality problems (TSI & DSG) or are you thinking about Seat being made in Spain, or the classical, nothing good comes now or ever from France? :)
Sherukka
All of the above my friend! I believe that if a consumer has to spend his hard earned money to buy a car, he should also be aware of the reliability of the maker, the problems (if any) the previous models had and what improvements (mechanical or other) the makers have made to make their products better. Spending a small fortune to buy a car, or to choose one model versus another, it is more critical (and useful) to know how much it would cost me to maintain and repair it, than which of these three cars is a couple centimeters wider or longer.
*****
Nice job you did there. So, perhaps we should consider buying one of these three cars next year.
+Nick Pantazis ...it is total nonsense
reliability of manufacturer is a useless info as reliability of different models of one manufacturer vary greaty...so you have to consider only reliability data of a concrete model...these are obviously available only after couple of years the model is produced, and it is way much later than these tests are made... so wait
+Nick Pantazis Reliability of the Grand C4 Picasso is very good.Proven engines and if looked after will run for many miles.I have the older model and the 1.6 Diesel engine is a gem.
Seat Alhambra should be compared with Galaxy and Sharan. Is not a fair test.
Seat top mpv
27000 vs 22000 car compare?
Wow, english reviewers giving a Citroen the 1st place? Never saw that before, 'cause all they do is criticize PSA's cars.
Zafira !
Not bad zafira
Zafira
They didn't no there's a 2 built in car seats
The basic citoren c4 in basic form is shockingly shit
Where is the vw Touran?
They decided to put these cars
Why do they say the seats best at everything and then say the Citroen is the best?
You put the wrong seat between 2 cars … seat is bigger car it’s not same category with other 2. You should put vw turan whit the 2 cars
The only thing is vw is most reliable and won't have a dead engine or catch fire(VAUXHALL) in a couple years.
My dad has a zafira and the engine has never blown up yet
@@legendyonis830 I know, it's just like 200 zafira caught fire, sorry if I defended you. My parents have 2011 vw sharan with 150,000 miles and still works perfect
You didnt upset me at all, finally found somebody on yt replying to my comments who's actually nice, my parents have 2011 sharan with 150, 000 it's perfect still aswell
@@maxgarrett6539 my dad was about to get a sharan but it was too big to drive in town
@@legendyonis830 bro I accidentally replied to something I posted so stupid of me lol
That is a very large push chair that no-one is going to own
I think the Seat is better.
Buggy is longer (it is loosened from handles) when trying in Zafira and Alhambra. If you look carefully you will see :)
Otherwise how can Picasso be larger!
There come the conspiracy theories
Not a conspiracy theory, you too can see. Or can go a dealer and check yourself :)
Guys trust me don't go for seat Alhambra. It's suspension is soooo stiff like it got no suspension. No comfort at all. Very very hard suspension.
zafira the best
Not bad zafira
Engines are soft
I am sorry, but grandparents sit up front, you don't subject them to the rear seat yogic postures that 5 door mpvs provide.
Where's the king of mpv's the ford galaxy????.
Where is Volkswage Sharan ?
For me Seat Alhambra wins all text they made, the only weak point in the price, and maybe Citroën C3 Gran Picasso, and Vauxhall Zafira got more technology, but if you wants practicallity... Then you must go for the Seat Alhambra
Say what you want about SUVs, at least large SUVs killed off these uninspiring, mind numbing MPVs....
Seat is not the same class🤦♂️
How could the Citroen win? The SEAT is the best by miles! As for reliability it's made in the same factory as the VW Sharan and Touran. As for cost, on a monthly basis there will very little in it on a pcp due to how much more it'll be worth in 3 years, and as for servicing costs SEAT have amazingly cheap service plan at 0%! I'm not surprised it was "boomy" on the drive, you had all the seats up and only 2 people in the car! If the back seats were down and cover across there wouldn't have been an issue!
Iain McDonald apparently not .skoa and Seat dont build in the same factories, but they are built by the same machines
Totally agree i got one as a mobility car and its perfect and suits my needs i never have the load cover fitted due to hoist for scooter in the boot but find it fine and not boomy. Would i go for another one well no as im hoping to buy this at the end of the scheme as all adaptions already done 😀
nothing can beat the 2.0 Tdi engine of VW / Seat... and the citroen was your choice?!
Not as reliable as the 2.0hdi.
Try all 3.. then buy an s-max 😊
Make one that kids can go in
I’ll get canned for saying this.. so I won’t..
I would pick the Zafira or Alhambra, I am not a fan of the Picasso
Skip these three..buy Galaxy..
Honda FRV will out drive, be better on fuel economy and be more mechanically reliable and you still get a sensible boot without having to drive a van type MPV.
Yes but...S-Max will be better to drive then Honda and bit more practial and almost as reliable..almost..
Forgot to say..if u consider Galaxy then FRV then u decide S-Max..
Galaxy is a taxi car
Poor old England.
Who employs these people
Right! We are looking at an MPV. Multi-purpose-vehicle -okay? So we got the family and kids, sorted, or not, depending on which one to buy. Then, we got the guys' going off to a football match, fully loaded up - studs scratching the carpet and doors - right? Farmer Giles couldn't care less what he loads up, as long as it gets him and his pigs to market. MPV right? Next, what about guys like me? We just want to have an MPV 'for me and the Missus!' We, my wife and I, happen to like Zafira cars above all else. Other people go for other manufacturers products. They are all MPV's - right? Does one have to buy an MPV to load it up to the gunnels with teddy bears, soft drink bottles, picnic hampers, kitchen sink and the like? We, who happen to like driving an MPV, purely for the enjoyment, are rarely considered for our own views or opinions - it's always about families and their views and opinions. Why the hell they do not go the full hog and buy a double decker bus I do not know! The funny thing is, with the mass of MPV's on Britain's roads, its not often one passes you by, fully loaded up with people! I think most owners use them for carrying stuff! So, do the two rear occasional seats really matter if they are not comparable to arm chairs? Come to think about it - why do the What Car? team not consider reviewing a Challenger tank? They would certainly have problems with their considerable bulky mass getting into one of those babies'!
Its ok you dont get travel sick in a zafira HAHAHAHAHAHAh
Muppets
So. You take 3 cars, 2 chip and one expensive. The expensive one wins allmost everthing...... No stop! It loses because is the most expensive one!!! OMG! Why? Its not the same class!
karuzel113 Did you watch to the end of the video? If you had you would have seen that the Citroen won overall, partly because of price.
Yes I did. Zafira and Picasso is 4,6 m long and 1,82 width, Alhambra 4,85 m lång and 1,9 width. In fakt zafira and Picasso i 5+2 and alhambra is proper 7 seat car. As many write here before me, this is not the same class. Why compare cars from 2 different class and then just make the chipset win? Take Renault clio, vw polo and Ford focus. Focus win all, but lose att the end because of the price. I have driven both alhambra and Grand picasso. Alhambra/sharan is sooooo much better then Picasso....
karuzel113
karuzel113 i agree
karuzel113 is right. The Seat is so boring and dull. and if he wants to pay alot more money for the same car that's fine by me. but I know what I'd rather be driving around in. The fashionable Citroen. because it's an MPV that you can look cool driving.
The Citroën is garbage!
The best MVP its toyota verso!!!
Toyota verso gud but bad
What utter rubbish, seat wins most of the tasks, but What car put it last? Really
/ and put a French car first, when we know French reliability is pants
WHAT.......NOW..WE...HAVE...A....SECOND...RECA...AND...THEY...HAVE..NOT...A...CUE...WHAT...IS...WRONG...WITH...THIS...CAR........
Zafira
Not bad zafira