How I fell out of love with Cardfight!! Vanguard...
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Disclaimer: This is less of a super informed video about the fall of Vanguard recently and more of a personal story. If you think the game is fine, more power to you.
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Don't forget the time where Bushi almost killed Tsukuyomi, The End, and MLB during the LB era over in Asia. Where was that Bushiroad?
Good video, definitely a good look at the issues Vanguard has had in 2020.
It all boils down to the pandemic sadly. A lot of it though, is because Bushiroad is just blindly refusing to fix issues.
Bushiroad does see vanguard as a more casual card game. When we used to have regionals I would start conversation with the Bushiroad representatives about various topics not just vg and not just bushi stuff. One day when I was salty about losing to heal draw crit crit combo we were talking and I asked them why vg didn't have best of 3 in swiss? Their answer was that vg is not a competitive card game.
Yowza
But from what we've seen from CS, the cards are fair and give each clan something either unique or specific to the clan (like DDD restanding and venom stinger disrupting the opponents damage zone). So after these reveals nothing too game breaking has been seen and maybe this could very well be vanguard's worst year yet but I'm still hopeful that next year being the 10th anniversary we'll see some changes for the better.
@@bryantmartinez3817 issue with the fair cards is that they won’t be better than the unfair ones
For example, SDD is not even close to being as good as Gurguit
That's not good
When they say is casual game
That is bad idea
When there are tournaments for players
And extremely hard for new players to play competitive in tournaments
And since the bans have not changed how gifts in Standard just use for more advantages rather than a hinderence makes standard
Extremely unfair to play you will always see the same broken decks that bushiroad refuse to fix
Thanks to them claiming its a casual card game
That's not good at all
I think their r&d team needs to rethink the standard format first and help to support premium a bit more where they kind of make it harder for them to play
@@gwarguraqueentrickstarcoat9110 exactly my point
I remember when I was in a local card shop, vanguard players are making fun of yugioh as if they were the superior card game.
I’m from the uK and honestly vanguard has died after G era unfortunately I just play Cardfight Area sometimes with G era cards (not including anything past Gyze) bcs that’s the only way I can enjoy vanguard .
Same
when my brother and I saw the new Luard we quit the game and decided to play yugioh and we are actually very happy there
Well I’m glad to hear that. Just stay away from the competitive scene lmao
@@tysenseisama Yeah, their competitive nature should come with a warning.
Have you guys seen the new overdress? Is there still a couple of things that could be fixed but overall there's a positive feedback from the fandom you guys should at least check it out but it's understandable if you guys are comfortable Where You Are.
@@anubisgodess2353 oh i do know :) looks promising but i still dont know if im gonna invest to vanguard because i blew my money in mtg and dragon ball...
@@mcyomi4173 Well if you do manage to get a trail deck and try it Id luv an update on what ya think. The anime rn is ok there are a few bomb episodes like ep 5 and good ones like ep 7 but sp far the mood is everyone likes it
Reject Vanguard
Return to Uno
The broken decks are the exact reason why my friends and I only play decks that are not meta, or complete memes. I agree with your points, 2020 had some high points, if a high point is a nail to a line. But the issue really came in my opinion with Bushi trying to rush the end of Standard. It really felt like 2 and a half years of sets within the span of 5 months. Which doesn't get me started with the extreme brain dead power creep post Butterfly'd Moonlight, which brought things that are just too insane for the current format. Premium has never been respected by Bushi because Japan has little to no interest in that format, and Bushiroad just refuses to ban anything without any results. But the lack of Gurguit hit I felt was uncalled for, they yes unrestricted 3 cards. Which in my opinion isn't as much of an issue, or an issue anymore, and which didn't even help the format entirely, as the big man Luard, and Gurguit are still huge problems that can basically do things that no other decks can do, in a bad way. Gurguit should've been hit, but Bushi was afraid of a second wave of market crash, that Luard caused in Japan, I'd say.
I appreciate your dignity in deck choices. In all logic, I tend to ignore the tier logic entirely and play a deck simply because of how I enjoy the aesthetic and style it provides. But there is one clan I refuse to play.
@@Zekrom249 Thanks man, and I too have a clan I refuse to play for fun
Problems:
- power creep
- burn out/unsustainable
- card design problems
How to fix it:
- Don't powercreep ( or banlist that make sense ) so people can sustain their decks longer
- sets can be delayed with a 2-3 month gap
- shifting the support for standard and premium so it can be more balanced and not one sided
- actually hire more professional card designers
- they need to expand their game by encouraging new players with standard, where there aren't so many shit to worry about
They fired their R&D team and replaced with completely new team alongside third party play testers, their first time ever since the debacle of leak of OG Chaos Breaker Dragon in BR era.
Let’s hope the new team is doing good. CS is the first set they work on and they looked hella good so far. Cool in concept and balanced very well. Sadly because of that the set will completely fall flat to the previous stupid powerful sets. Hope a mega banlist in February will fix it.
*why I fell in love with vanguard*
LINKU JOOOKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
We stan Chaos in this house
I feel the exact same way. I started vanguard with G and man was it fun constantly getting new support for each of the decks you play but they gave us support enough to change the play style of the deck you played. Gear Chronicle went from Rewind to Time Leap to ZTB over 3 years and it made me love G so much. I hope overdress changes that and nations get different with each new support. I only grew to like Standard once we got G era cards back and the game was "Unique" in a way it is just sad it power creeped standard. Really enjoyed your video and it was really great. Hope you kick off and get more subs cause you earned a sub from me.
Hey thanks a ton man! Im REALLY hard at work for an Overdress video and I think you'll really enjoy it, the game seems to be going in a fantastic direction!
@@tysenseisama from the looks of it so far, it looks to be really good. Also seeing that the new protagonist will be playing Dragon Empire Chronojet
I did not expect the shout out!
I feel this way every time Bermuda get support
Zazan fell in the same loop as Dust. Japan played the original cards without erratas or bans. But then players bitched them down to shit
Twas for the best tho
Normally I would go into huge arguments about skill in standard vs stride go brr or standard vs premium and how much a badly design was dragon's vanity, but honestly bushi has done so much shit in this game that I feel betrayed for every penny I spend building my decks. I don't know if overdress is enough to bring me back. I just stopped caring.
BTW Love your Zazan edit! And I agree with the majority of what you say.
Hey glad to hear you enjoyed the video man!
"buddyfight finally died(shows Yota)" You are so wrong for that I actually screamed when he popped up.
That being said what's your opinion on overdress now we got some more info? You hyped?
Already recording a VERY long video as we speak. I hope you’ll enjoy it!
Soooo...the problem of vanguard is the premiun existence?
My personal issues are about premium. However, I already stated that standard is even worse in that way.
Also, if we had 1 set every 3 months....there would be clans not getting support for 2 years. And we all know which clans those would be
Maybe that’s a problem with the clan structure itself. Maybe the game is flawed in its structure
@@tysenseisama now with Overdress it is now Nations 😂
@@dl_hs4315 thank fuck
One thing that maybe you could have brought up in your video could have been premium format having problem with superior ride and the stride ruling.
In my opinion, your clan/deck is viable in the Meta by the three factors.
1. Your deck has some ways to skip or twist the idea of riding up to higher grades. An example of this can be Gold paladin with Ezel, Bermuda Triangle with Trois, Dark Irregular with No Life King/Rhodia and Shadow Paladin with Bendi.
2. Your deck can stride by using different card effects even when your opponents on Grade 2. Example of this can be Murakumo with Nue Daioh, Cray elemental with Barigiran and Gold paladin with Spear X.
3. Your deck have a broken Grade 3 turn that you just simply play like Standard and kill your opponent before they do anything. An example can be Bermuda Triangle with the new supports and literally any cards from the previous sets.
These factors are in my opinion, unfair. These factors reward players to go first so Premium format is having the same problem as Standard where “If you go first, you win the game”. There are no counter plays if a game is determined by a high roll. Because of the stride ruling, if you were on grade 3 from your previous turn, you get to stride. So decks who have superior ride can stride even when your opponents are on Grade 2. Stride was created to reward the players who went second and now it is used to reward players to superior ride.
It does not have to be just superior ride but how about decks having strides that goes over the stride rule. Like Nue Daioh, it strides even when your opponents are on Grade 2 which means that if Murakumo goes first, they automatically win the game. Or Dark Irregular goes to grade 3 but goes back to Grade 2 with No Life King’s skill so your opponents cannot stride.
These play style is not healthy for the format and because of the new strides and the stride ruling, if you don’t go first or superior ride, you are just scooping. I have friends who want to get into premium but I always tell them to not get into Premium. I don’t want my friends to experience what I dealt in Premium Vanguard. Even when there is a problem, Bushiroad does not do anything and I lost hope for them when I saw the Bermuda Triangle Supports.
They would rather sell new cards instead of having a healthy competitive scene. Sound familiar, because this is the same thing said from Solemn Vanguard with Zeroth Dragon Dust in 2018. We are having the same problem from 2018 with Dust but the only difference is that Bushiroad is not doing anything about it. I can’t support what Bushiroad is doing to the game and for anyone who are still going to support Bushiraod, then I hope the company listen to your voice in the future.
These are all incredibly valid points! It’s something I’ll probably do a video on later since I feel like there’s way too much to cover in 5 minutes. A subject matter like this needs its own video.
I understand the reason people started quitting because of the rocky state Vanguard is in right now.
Victor and Grandgallop is sold at $0.50 now...
Luckily Bushiroad has fired the R&D team which was responsible for the stupid powercreep towards the end of G-Era and now, even during Legion (Thing Saver and Phantok Blaster Abyss is stupid)
They hired a new team along with hiring new third party playtesters, which is something they haven’t done in a long time ever since the debacle of leak of OG chaos breaker dragon.
Hope starting with the CS sets, the teams actually understands how balance works.
Issue is that the people they hired fucked over Duel Masters from what I’ve heard.
If that’s true (take it from me, I played Duel Masters in Japan) then we’re fucked
@@tysenseisama It's the V-Era team members that was the Duel Masters team you're thinking of if I've understood correctly. While the team coming I believe have past credentials linked to YGO GX.
And @Bryan Ng Dawei
End of G creep is understandable in hindsight as they needed to setup the decks to last a long time with no support for Premium since V would be setting a new standard.
V did not come about to fix G
G creeped to prepare for V
idk if you are following the Clan Selection Sets, but so far it looks pretty flavorful and different. I think it has to do with the new R&D team.
Btw, are you going to do a video about the new CBD?
My man, I’m already on it
The part of the video where you talk about why gifts suck as a mechanic and why stride, legion, etc work was great
Ey thanks man!
@@tysenseisama No issues as I agree with most of what you say(I quit the game after the reboot launch because it’s like, really you gonna go back to the old stuff and later I came back to check what happen and while some clans like dp, great nature and gold paladin I like their new version, the rest I didn’t and for the same reason as you.)
3 years later and D standard makes me miss the format of angel/Oracle gyze that caused format rotation to begin with, I'd rather have the option to rush down a guaranteed win condition and pray I him triggers to win than just constantly deal with 60k 2 crit columns constantly every single damn turn without any way to guard it.
I never played standard in any tcg I played
Chaos breaker can check everything now probably
Are you planning on Making a video on the clan selection set?
Possibly
The reason DI was good during the Gold/Katrina/DI format was because no clan could survive Katrina or Gold's second stride and DI could kill them off in one turn. However DI was hardly an issue: it was very weak to aggro decks and clans who got access to defensive g guards (like Denial Griffin). But I can see how a deck with no early game rush, no defensive g guards or ways to otk from zero damage would have no chance against it.
However that deck became irrelevant as soon as other decks could otk the same way, but without the need to win a G2 game and stride: Valkeryon, Fenrir, Nue Daioh, Songster, Blademaster.
These decks are getting out of control and, some of them, don't even require any CB to go off (Genesis), so we either need a banlist or new defensive g guards we can use on G2 or something. Otherwise you're still going to get run over
This is all true, I didn’t go over that all since the video would have probably been 6 times longer LOL
Very valid points though.
I think asterisk official thoughts on the current state of the vanguard anime describe the issues with modern vanguard as a game”Trying to relieve the old glory days” I feel as due to g not being as successful as they want it(best era thou) they change the game in order to fix it but they fix it like the sonic team fix sonic after sonic 06
It will be surprising if Overdress supports fully on Premium format.
If that happens, I’ll go to Vegas and spend all my money, because that means that I’m the luckiest man alive
In my opinion, creating a banlist wound fix anything.
If anything, it would infuriate people even more if properly made.
I mean, gurguit is a problem now, but if you ban him or Percival, then gavri is a problem and you could trace a line of deck that would need to be ban. You could even argue about banning half of the cards from vbt07 onwards.
The problems in vanguard came from 2 mayor design flaws that only get bigger with time.
The lack of an actually "restricción mechanic" and that there is too many clans.
First of, the issue why vanguard just keeps accelerating is because there is no reason to not doing so. Cards games usually have to "move onwards" in design, brings things that are better and better each time, to give a impresión of "improvement" and also to push people in buying the new stuff.
That's okay, most tcg do so in a way or another. The problem is, since faster is better. And there is no drawback to to try to play faster...
There is only one new way to design cards.
To fix this, they would require to had some new rules to the game, something simple like the way vanguard zero gives power the the defending player each time he gets hit.
That would disencouge, in a way, trying to go from 1-2 damage into a a kill turn.
The other issue, the clan number is the main reason for the speed of the sets.
With 24 clans, there is no way to give them all support regularly while not trashing them into oblivion.
Not only a slower release schedule would leave all the unpopular clan ins the trash for even more time...
The game wouldn't work in a slower release. Most dcek in vanguard are made in the box, it takes at most, 2 week for the meta game to stabilize. Then, we wouldn't have the same decks winning over and over again for... 2 months. We are suck of gurguit now, then imagine it last longer.
Without testing or really thinking about it, it could be really broken... Perhaps reopening the deck limitations to "cards from the same nation" would be a solution.
Bring support for 6 nations, that is easier to handle and it bring experimentation so the slower release would make sense.
The old "if you have an royal paladin vanguard" clause would be necessary again to limit some combos. But that way you would have... Cards that would do X for every clan in the nation while being better in their own clan.
Just my 2 cents, overdress needs to be bold. I'm still on vanguard, but I can't close my eyes and say that everything is fine. Or that "earlier was better" because... After some thought, I think the problems standard and premium have, are always bound to happens. If some deeper change isn't made into the game.
Trying to fix game design flaws with the cards design, won't fix our issues.
That why I don't think gurguit, luard, etc... Are the problem itself, they are just another effect of the problem
Yeah a banlist was needed a long time ago. I’m sad that the game is the way it is.
However it’s not all doom and gloom! Should we get more player interaction shit should be just fine!
This was a very well structured comment, and I agree with pretty much all of it!
And I thought Yu-gi-oh! had it rough with the few competitive decks pfff
Just when you thought shit couldn’t get worse ammiright?
*sees $3 victor*
*laughs in 50 cent Gaia*
BRO IS HE ACTUALLY?! THATS AMAZING
This game needs Jesus
1st Reboot smoked the game in my areas, I'm shocked it's still alive post Overdress honestly
I’m new to vanguard but it’s really hard to try and get into any deck when every week or two is a whole new box. Why build a deck if it’s worthless in two weeks?
Exactly. I feel so bad for new players right now. I would recommend premium but as I said that format is also a hellhole
Apparently RUclips thinks a link to a product owned by their parent company is considered spam, so in order to read an article I wrote back when Luard crashed the market, Google "I try to add on to sanA’s blog about the negatives of current Vanguard." to find the Reddit thread I posted and open up the Google Doc link. Here is a bit of what I wrote about:
There is a connection between skills of cards/clans that have had Standard restrictions or otherwise overtaken the meta thus far. I group together this similar rules text as a pseudo mechanic I call "power acceleration." It started back when Sonata and Melody was released; a Melody column with Sonata on the field is equivalent to a Force marker worth of power, meaning every additional Sonata on the field is literally another Force I. After its restriction, the next similar card released was Mordred, however it was overshadowed by the Accel clans in the subsequent meta, so "power acceleration" escaped notice. Except, one of the restrictions for that Accel meta involved Tachikaze, and where Angerblader was hit, there was an opposing side that argued Sweeperacrocanto, a RG that gains permanent +5k per attack, should have been hit instead. Next, Riviere and her multiple rides, thus Force gift accumulation (also there was MLB), came and was errataed. Now near the current day, and around the time I wrote my article, three clans released in two consecutive sets gained and used "power acceleration" strategies to overtake the meta, Dark Irregulars (Scharhrot, +1k front row per soul), Granblue (Nightrose restanding Skull Dragon), and Shadow Paladins (Luard, you get the pattern?). I defined "power acceleration" as a rules text involving permanently increasing power, being able to repeat the skill every turn, thus accelerating the total power of your field.
This holds up to the present day, with the release of Gurguit, and even 4 Bermuda Triangle Grade 3s in the new set generating permanent power or Force markers (Ange, Lupina, Meer, Plon). This demonstrates to me that Bushiroad is AWARE of "power acceleration" and is likely exploiting competitive players looking to play this strategy in different clans. This is not healthy in the long run for every Accel clan to get a Gurguit equivalent, nor Force and Protect clans to spam I and II (yes Protect II was always lowkey breakable) markers respectively. Bushiroad needs to STOP printing "power acceleration" cards, hit the current offenders with restrictions if not bans, and pledge to either playtest "power acceleration" cards more extensively in future power creep, or never again touch it.
I wrote further about this in my article and more on negatives in current Vanguard. I’d appreciate it if people could take just 15 minutes of their free time to read it to understand my full arguments and opinions on how to possibly fix Vanguard. If you agree, please share on social media, I did post on Reddit and Twitter once but I don't mind if you reshare my quotes. I'd especially appreciate it if people tied to the Japanese player base could let me know if they share similar thoughts as I. If you disagree or have questions, feel free to leave a comment in the Google Doc. Thanks for reading!
This is all amazing! I’d like to make a video about this article if you don’t mind. Could you email it to the thegatheringphs@gmail.com?
Emailed, thanks for reading.
so couple points.
1. just to get the first thing i noticed out the way wonder was the correct hit when it came to golds, especially when the angel came out cause when you looked at high level game play yea sometimes gold paladin could high roll into a rush but it was mainly an ultima deck and looking at worlds and wcc footage you can see the dmg deny involved in dealing with that deck so the main proplem was the ultima with all the accels. a superior ride isnt inherintly a bad thing, bermuda has it its a middiling tier 2 deck luard has one now and its actually got less tops then bm and genesis.
2. i completely understand where your coming from bushiroad dont listen to western players when it comes to premium but we are the ones playing it. they only care about the wgp data and with no premium events this year there isnt any. and a deck you failed to mention is Blademaster a deck with more and more tops that wins the turn it rides g3 while being one off the only decks with a survival chance against nue and di thanks to its interaction. competitive premium just isnt that fun right now and bushi needs to give us some level of interaction something they have been very very hesitant on for some reason. g-guards should be sped up to the stride rule and new ones that focus on calling/interacting should be in prem 2021. the more we could interact the more skillful the game becomes and the less viable combo decks become(which are the problem right now).
3. dont use khodak as a source yea he brings up some good points but the twats so fucking biased when it comes to vg and completely subjective, that talk on card design just turned into another vg rant where he argued the game was dead which its not.
4. hope you come back at some point 2020 has just sucked all round and 2 off the big 3 made massive balancing blunders as well interns of power and lack of data so theirs hope once things can start returning to normal plus tier 2 premium is the skill expressive format we all want its just covered under a layer of murk that can be fixed even with out a ban list if decks are given the control tools :) plus overdress could actually expand on blitz orders another way to get those tools and maybe even start adding rotation (not a reboot pls no) to standard to curb power creep so theirs hope.
1: I can’t really argue or fight this since let’s be real, it’s a metaphorical format and that’s pointless to argue lol
2: Yo shit I completely forgot that BM existed. That’s my bad! You got me there bro lol
3: I think his opinions on how card games work are valid, but I don’t agree with his opinions on VG for the most part. However, his section about set release and set structure is all very true and no matter how biased he may be, that doesn’t change it from being true. I’ve actually spoken to some shop owners leading up to this video to make sure my claims on the matter were valid
4: Like I said, I’m not quitting, but I am VERY upset right now. I will 100% come back should the game get better, there’s no doubt about that. I loved this game, and I really want it to work, this is the game that got me through so much, and also gave me so much in my life.
I’m so glad you took the time to comment this huge essay! It really means a lot when I get constructive criticism like this, positive OR negative. Thanks a load my guy! And I’ll be sure to remember Blademaster next time 😜
@@tysenseisama i was just tryna point out something i thought where good and bad. but mostly i agree with you, even when i was litterally called a retard for continuing premium and saying it was the better format when v first happend. love premium i love the g cards and likewise it got me through some very hard times. but this is one of the first times i would say the format is truly truly unfun. and as such bushi need to step up in some way to fix it.
@@TheLumaknight Yep. Here’s to Overdress am I right?
The moment i realize how over the top fast the game's power creep was, i skedaddle and left the game immediately. Other than triggers and perfect guards, card just expires in less than a year with how insanely better the new sets will always be 1 is to 1 comparison to their previous set. I felt betrayed with what i invested. It didn't help that the deck who stayed only done so by being Absolutely Brocken.
Facts
@@tysenseisama i already seen death flags as early as the time Death Army got released (the one deck that picked my interest, invested in building, then get abandoned in a span of a single set). ._.
I agree with you. I dropped of after aquaforce glory maelstrom set. To be honest i still love g and if anyone wants to play g i am down.
Also
"If they really want the game be Competitive, why it's not best of 3?"
because Japanese companies dont like best of threes, a lot of games are mostly best of threes bc japanese companies want faster games
@@akuda226 you kinda get contradictory there...
@@bryanmerel oh wait typo, i meant a lot of games, especially card games in japan are best of ones
So, i red everything that change in Vanguard Overdress(more like Overdone 😂), and.....
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..
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..why do i feel like Bushiroad is having some serious "Digi" related problem? 🤣
Neo dale is too op man
opinion on Overdress? Are you going to give it a shot
Stay tuned. I’m making a long video on overdress as we speak. I finished recording and I’m editing it right now. I hope you’ll watch and enjoy it!
*"(Yugioh Banlist) takes problem cards out of the game"*
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Halquifibrax and its Tuner genocide???
Lmao
that is a story not from konami will tell you
Bro you talking about gifts link joker has a stride that gives rid of every gift and gives you 10000 power for each removed and u can take protects also and now chaos breaker has a gift break now also
First of all, that stride is garbage.
Second of all, that implies the game lasts jay long
Third of all, Link Joker is currently garbage in Premium so the existence of that card doesn’t matter
Fourth of all, Chaos was revealed several weeks after this video was recorded, check the upload date
@@tysenseisama wow that’s abit aggressive and rude it’s like talking to a yugioh player I enjoyed your video and was just saying
@@leonwatkins5072 it wasn’t meant to be rude, it was meant to be a correction to the misconception that the LJ stride makes the Gift Mechanic okay
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Buddyfight was already dead on my locals and bushiroad powercrept that game pretty badly.. no one wanna keep up.. old cards just become obselete in a metter of a month..
The shop ended up cant sell their product and in the end they drop the cardgame once and for all...
Yo. Facts?
Premium become vintage of vanguard instead of legacy, while standard rn becomes the legacy without interaction. For some reason i think premium could be healthier if we didnt get prem col 2, premium collection do give everybody a chance to win but in an unhealthy way. Natukami gets bordwipe + hand removal, murakumo gets nue to kill in their 1st stride, gears get zarzan and tempest to have 7 attacks in turn 2, overkill guard restrict in shadow and royal, easy draw engine in aqua and the list goes and on and on and on and while the pool is getting muddy it gets even worse after bunch of standarts support after it. For me its kinda justified since i see premium like legacy or vintage format but tbh its kinda overkill. While the premium meta settles there's another problem in standart where they pull the power level so high to the point it could be possibly par on par with premium. Standart should be a format for simple game mechanics but instead they make it like premium. And for some reason, ppl like it for a while until gurguit came out and now they regret it.
My point ? Premium being broken is kinda understandable at some point but as a player who mainly plays premium hope that we could get more interaction, while standard should be more relaxing instead of 20 minutes of trif gaming.
Btw you just gain another subs, the analysis is really good man
This is a really good point! Premium collection 2 was a horrible set.
By the way, fun fact, from my sources:
Premium collection 2 was designed by the same people who messed up the Duel Masters meta.
'perhaps about all aspect an all game design or card games. I do go to a school for that'
Says the man who makes shit post to submit as his project.
Lmao you right
I still love CFV and even Standard itself but Bushiroad has made every single clan do what other clans do but better. Example is some decks doing the superior riding better than what Ezel did when it was first released. GP were known for their superior ride and their superior calling. Now every deck can superior ride/call super easy and more so than GP at times. The same with Granblue. So many decks lost their originality in that they had something that made them unique. To me, the game is still strategic, just not as it should've been. Standard should've remained as a basic way of introducing and attracting new players into the game while still giving love to Premium. Now, the only support Premium gets is the usual Premium collection and any Standard cards that pretty much transfer into the Premium side being the eternal format for CFV.
This. This all the way. I never mentioned how flawed the clan system was but this is a fantastic point
@@tysenseisama I'm not much of a premium player but I do agree with all of ur points. Standard became such a broken format that Standard decks were considered to be stronger than premium decks at some points. Like, winning while ur opponent was on grade 2 was no fun. Also, they rushed a lot of the releases of sets and made every deck a go first and win type of deck which to me feels like Yugioh where u build a board with a bunch of negates and if u can break my board u won but if u couldn't then u lost. The same is true for CFV Standard. I get to grade 3 ride and I either win on that turn or my opponent won on their next turn. Games never laster. Protect decks which were meant to be these stall style types of decks became like every other deck which was go first and win, Accel decks became Force decks, and Force decks became Accel decks. Like, the idea of Standard and what I guess I believed it to be was to introduce players to the game, an easy to learn, fun, none broken format. However, Bushiroad broke this format the moment they made everything in Standard overpowered to the point where they can compete and even wreck premium decks. It's ridiculous. Great video btw, u got yourself a new subscriber.
@@Emptiness9148 Im really glad you find me worth your time!!
I would hate to say your wrong about standard but you aren't I love standard a lot but I have an amon deck for premium and a lot of the older decks feel short cause if lack of support to other decks or having it more interesting and the only decks that get supported (like you already said) are decks that get auto wins
There really hasn't been any skill lately it's always been whoever goes first always win
Surprise surprise. They are rebooting the game, FOR A SECOND TIME.
Nah I’m fine with it this time. Thank GOD for all these changes. 90% of the issues I have with the game were addressed here.
@@tysenseisama now, lets wait how much time can Bushiroad observe self restraint, and then just fuckin do it again. :V
@@bryanmerel I’m still skeptical but at least these design changes are good in concept
@@tysenseisama i don't know if i want to give a chance to cardgame that commited the one mistake that killed their game *TWICE* already though. ._.
"vanquisher was a genuinely fun deck to play"
funny. he powercreeped my golden beast tamer to oblivion. for less skill.
I think bushi moved too fast. So many things come in and just vanish in vanguards 3 year cycle limit break for 3 years, vanishes, legion pops up for a few months vanishes, g pops up for a few years basically vanishes because it no longer gets support, v series is now gone and got out of hand in the last few sets trying to be too new while pandering to nostalgia and could've been handled better, games are too fast and the mechanics became less unique are more spam markers/re ride
Hello, I’m a cardfighter from the future.
Premium shall be saved, past Ty
Just hold on
I wish they would take some pointers from videos like this.
If Bushi actually watches my video I’ll be VERY surprised lol
Are you sure you’re not upset about the game because I have beaten you with janky shit like triple Harmonics Neo swing and ride Zanki stride Rinne :) (I’m joking. Pls no bully)
You and I feel exactly the same way I used to love this game now I'm starting to hate it because they gave Shadow paladin a rush Luard and for the blasters the main goat a grade 1 nemain £15 my 2nd clan ruined DI I used to run Amon but oh no we will mix Nlk with a variants strategy then we will make Variants hardleg a common grade 2 then ban it even though accel decks pretty much do the same thing the other thing sorry if this bores you it's just you understand me here they need to break Narakami in premium we have stun verse good bye hand rgs and drop zone thunderstrike 12 I wish the reboot never happened to be honest
The reboot was a mistake
What they should of done in standard is use the gifts sure but mixing v and get together big mistake oh and one more thing clan facts
both formats for all competitive
Kagero Overlord that's all weak clan support
Shadow Paladin Blasters relys on Nemain or it sucks Luard only competitive deck
Bermuda it dose not matter how broken the deck is rarity matters
Tachikaze only Angerblader Viable
Link Joker Chaosbreaker predictable Deletors meh brandt dead and of course messiah meta yayyy
Dark Irregular Scharot Nlk to slow variants less effective
All token decks brainless skill causes to much agro
Cray elemental makes premium toxic
These are the issues that effect the game you may as well give the dark zone Zero th dragon it's old skill back the game is shoving things down our throats I quit the game for the time being because it's the same old same old
@@michaelpointer3111 hopefully the new designers fix the game up, we have a banlist today.
@@tysenseisama No more Gurguit well that's a start
@@michaelpointer3111 meh. It doesn’t fix the issues. Gavrail still exists
Arakai?
Me: Already know that their competitive is crap, but just build Standard deck based on personal all-time favorites as meta are bullcrap as always
idk, I just never liked neither competitive play nor meta. That's why I never liked doing Tourneys...
...people still play this game?
Somehow, yes
Vanguard had far better card design and fun and exiting card effects and interaction bsck the og anime was going. G was very confusing to me when it came out but was alright if u ignore the high atk power grade 4s cud get. But then after v was released the game went to shit. I never got too much knto vanguard as its not my cup of tea most of the time. I dont mind playing it every once in a while for a casual game or 2 but then i get very bored. I just stick to yugioh.
Kind of funny. You think Bushiroad cares about Premium. Premium is broken beyond fixing, that was why Standard was invented. If you played standard, you would see it is a lot more fair than premium at the moment. But yes, new packs are coming out too fast considering the lockdown.
Standard was not invented to “fix the game”, that was a myth. The game was pretty much fine until that happened, and they knew that a reboot was coming out for a while so the “they made it because of Ange” argument is invalid.
Also, I did play standard, and it was balanced for about 3 months.
At the moment both formats suck, and anyone who tries to say one is better than the other is just wrong
ugh finaly someone who knows shit
Vanguard is irrelevant when they found out they screwed up with Gyze.
The game is broken, how can we make the cards better? More broken cards!
They screwed up and so they reboot. Really I don't know why you still trust Bushiroad with this mess up game. Banlist they never do this stuff. They have competitive scenes and world championships. Banlist like Yugioh is very good, but I think maybe Bushiroad is lazy, doesn't care, or just wants to be in denial that their cards have no problem so they don't ban it. I also think Bushiroad just wants money, and they are doing a good job at that.
Vanguard has been a bad game during and end of G, and the reboot is proof that Vanguard is dead. Not a lot of card games needed an immediate reboot, and if they do, it meant it is a failure. Vanguard is an example.
I don’t entirely agree that Gyze was a mistake. Here’s the thing about Gyze-
It only got broken when the reboot happened and we got higher shield values. It was 100% fine otherwise.
So in otherwords, everything else you said is even more correct. The reboot was awful
@@tysenseisama The thing about Gyze is, yes maybe he is manageable, but for the new series, it is very hard to move on from there. You can do so much with just monsters/units in Vanguards and skill variety is not a lot. I said long time ago that if Vanguard has spells is the day they die.
Gifts are interesting I think, if it is a until the end of the turn thing. However, a unit based game has spells/order cards? That game is no more.
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Yugioh format with decks literally Does NOT let you play your card so you either go first and play your cards or just sit for15 min waiting for your opponent to finsh his first turn then surrender because you cant play your cards. In card game huh😒 well i guess enjoy
If it’s casual Yugioh vs a meta deck then this is 100% true. But in actual competitive Yugioh the meta decks tend to be able to break these boards through the use of overpowered cards.
Doesn’t make it right tho. The game is still broken, just for different reasons than people think it’s broken for.
Current Standard is much, much worse if we're talking about competitive play. Right now the speed is such that you will get killed on your opponent's Grade 3 turn if they go first. If you didn't then congratulations, you're not dead but you probably burned most of your hand trying to live that turn, have almost no way of pushing back and will most certainly die on the following turn. But what if you're going first? Well then you'd best try to OTK the opponent before they ride up to 3 or you're still f**ked! :D
I actually think at this point a game of Standard will take less time to finish than a game of Yu-Gi-Oh! and it will certainly be less fun about it. At least for the latter you've got Hand Traps, board breaking cards and the side deck and I'd much rather take my chances of playing out Drytron vs Virtual World than anything into Gurguit.
@@ObeliskTGS this, 100%
you're complaining about set releases going fast? um I'm sorry to tell you but they needed to speed up the sets for many reasons. if you want to complain, don't play the game.
Name these reasons, I’ll bet money that none of them are good reasons. I’ll wait
@@tysenseisama when g format had may 2 to three sets released every 3-4 months it made people lose interest in the game completely. besides the set push was only there so when "overdress" happens they can push out their new products/ concepts. now wheres my money. lo
@@davidbivins611 G era had sets release on a schedule near similar to this current one and people actually seem to prefer G era to this. So again, I doubt you have any idea what you’re talking about.
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