When I hear people complain about the $1000, as beginning as the number one step I always try to tell them what you said, not many people can keep that $1000, in the bank. They still don't see it. Its fun. I paid off $40,000, and finally got enough in my retirement account to live off of in retirement. That 15% of income worked out for me to be the exact amount the government allowed to put into my 401 Plan. Thanks for going over those points.
Amazing episode. So glad to see you around here George. I would love to ran into you one day just to say hi and see you in person, you sound like such an amazing guy :)
One of the best open conversations around different money philosophies I’ve ever heard. And loved George Kamel’s boldness in sharing the gospel. Goosebumps.
I liked how Jack asked about the sin question giving him room to go into that. The fact that they are willing to have these conversations with someone they don’t agree with on everything and not even consider editing out something that isn’t their main content because it was important to the person across the table. I don’t know about Graham and Jack’s faith but I think it’s cool that they gave him that freedom to take the conversation in that direction
I like that George was sticking to his practices and the Ramsay principles almost as much as I loved seeing Graham & Jack pushing back on him. This was refreshing, versus the normal echo chamber of information you often hear on a solo YT video.
Following the Dave plan, paid off $550k mortgage in 6 years. Canada only has 10 year ARM mortgages. So while everyone was saying "its the cheapest debt you can get", im Debt Free & laughing while they are crying seeing the mortgage rates double. The peace you get owing NOTHING is undescribable. Its hard work for a season, but doable by anyone...if you truly want it.
Canada doesn’t just have 10 year ARM mortgages. What Canada does have is a maximum “term” length of 10 years, either fixed or variable, with a maximum amortization length of 25 years. Regardless of that…I’m very glad I focused on paying off my house while rates were low, rather than viewing the low rates as a reason to not pay it off.
The Iced Coffee Hour, in 2003 I followed Dave Ramsey to get out of debt. I only receive about $1,120.00 each month I had $48,000.00 of debt and so I did paid off credit cards 4 of them a vehicle and my mortgage within 4 years 8 months it took me. But I was single no children it was just me. So, Dave Ramsey truly turn-out for me in my life. And that is it each person life situation is different. And I promise myself never get deep into debt. So I thank Dave Ramsey. And thanks you, you younger people helps me to be aware of debt not to go into it I do use credit card only pay it off each month. Thanks a lot from Sacramento, CA.
@mrbubbles, set a strict budget for 4 years 8 months cancel as much as I could however this was between 2003 to 2008 years and my house only had $37,000.00 owed on it I am 66 years of age so it was in a different time-line on earth, today stuff is so high I am not sure what I did could be done these days. Hope this help most mostly it will not. enjoy your day.
I would say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RECISSION! Recessions are an unavoidable part of the economic cycle; all you can do is prepare for them and plan accordingly. I graduated into a slump (2009). My first job after graduating from college was as an aerial acrobat on cruise ships. Today, I work as a VP for a global corporation, own three rental properties, invest in stocks and businesses, run my own company, and have increased my net worth by $500k in the last four years.
Thats commendable . You should consider imploring the services of a Financial Advisor so you don't get ripped off in the market. They provide personalized advice to individuals based on their risk appetite, placing them among the best of the best. There are bad ones, but some with good track records can be very good.
@Brillian Tran I have no advisor whatsoever, and this recent decline, which I believe was brought on by inflation brought on by war, among many other causes, really hurt my portfolio. Who would you advise that I reach out to in situations like this?
@Brillian Tran Thank you for this tip. It was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her resume.
George is amazing...as he self-affirmed...he was "better prepared"... and held consistently to his opinion, with confidence...no need to be insecure, George! ..
My wife and I are currently in baby step 2 and are about to pay off my car ($7500 left) then tackling a large amount of student loan debt ($110k). We’re able to throw about $5k/month into debt and are set to be debt free (except the mortgage) in 2 years. It’s a long road ahead but we’re super excited to just decide to stop running this stressful race of trying (and failing) to manage debt. We’re done with consumer debt. George and Dave speak to the vast majority of Americans and their program works.
Agreed-because most people are just that, 9-5 and need to change their mentality towards money and building confidence within themselves first! Loved this!
If you haven’t yet, go to the 1:08:13 mark and listen to the 5 or so minutes that follow it. George is truly inspirational. It opened my mind to new feelings about money.
First money mistake to avoid is feeling the need to solve everything and be there for everyone, you have to invest in yourself before investing in others
You live and learn. I blew two funded $50K accounts with Karen L Nancy mentorship program. It's really making me self reflect and be able to see my trading mistakes even more. I got caught up in revenge trading and not walking away when I should have.
Our issue stems from the prevalent belief held by the majority that "having a good job is all it takes to become wealthy." Many people are unaware that these billionaires are using a different set of rules when conducting business.
I rarely comment but this was one of my favorite episodes from the channel. A lot of times after watching finance videos, I end up wanting more money, feeling not enough, etc. This episode was uplifting. Not only it was relatable and enjoyable to hear open conversation about various philosophies but also just a great reminder to BE GENEROUS. Many finance videos are all about ME ME ME, building wealth for myself so I can live a comfortable life for ME (& family) not really talk about the and about GIVING. Love George Kamel’s humbleness and at the same time pleasantly surprised by his boldness as he shares his beliefs/gospel. Been enjoying Graham + Ramsey Solutions collabs! 😎
I'm thoroughly impressed by the young man who absorbed the philosophy and information, asked insightful questions despite practicing the complete opposite from the guest. This is one of the better videos which outline the benefits and drawbacks of each philosophy from these two schools of thought.
I don't even think they are necessarily in conflict. Both admit that each works for the right person. George and Graham know that Dave's system is intentionally a one-size fits all, and Graham's method works if you want to put the work in. Doesn't mean one is better than the other. In fact, you could even argue that the best path is to start at Dave and graduate to Graham after you feel comfortable enough to work the system. I think there are just some people that are better off using Ramsey like an AA meeting that they should attend for life, and for that reason, Dave has to emphasize that it's a lifelong philosophy, and it can be, but it doesn't have to be.
What Graham is pushing DOES WORK. But not for people like me. I’m impulsive and not super analytical. And it’s taken me almost a decade to realize this. Only after getting myself into so much debt I couldn’t breath. Credit cards do feel easier to spend on then cash. So for those people with the discipline to be very intentional with credit you can definitely reap the rewards. Those rewards are paid for by people like who I used to be that carry a balance and pay a bunch of interest.
I think it definitely works for people like you. Majority of the world is people like you (and me) It comes down to diligence and perseverance, because it's a lot easier to be impulsive and less analytical than it does to try something that's not common amongst the community. It's like when you're teaching a toddler to share, they hate it and can't stand it, but as they grow up they learn the importance of sharing and how it can benefit them in the future.
Wow, this was a GREAT conversation between you three. Love the ability to see different perspectives without it getting super tense or heated. Awesome job.
You guys are great at conversations. I enjoy that each of you can discuss differing view points and let each other talk without interruptions and arguing.
Investing in Roth IRA can be a good choice since they are funded with after tax dollars, your contributions can grow tax-free over time. When you withdraw money from your Roth IRA in retirement, you won’t have to pay tax on it, which will help you keep more of your hard-earned money. my monthly living expense is up $37500 from $16000 and I'm left wondering what retirement have in store for me 5years down the line, I'm ill-prepared tbh, my 401k worth about $620k and gains are zero-nothing and my stock portfolio?...OH WELL!
Nobody knows anything you need to create your own process, manage risk and stick to the plan, through thick or thin while also continuously learning from mistakes and improving.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. George is the BEST of all the Ramsey personalities. His knowledge, experience, confidence, and genuineness are second to none.
My dad taught me at a young age to not spend more than what you have in the bank when using a credit card and to always pay it off in full each month. That’s what I’ve done my whole life and have never run into any credit card debt issues. I don’t even have to be conscious about it when I have it on autopay. It’s like using a debit card with cash back while building credit.
It honestly doesn’t work for a lot of people. It’s about psychology. When you have the ability to spend more, you spend more. It’s like when you get a raise at a job, you might spend more on fun things because you have more. Having that ability to spend more, people can “forget” how much they actually have. It’s an easy hole to get into. When you just use only debit, you only look at the number you actually have. There is no spending extra because in essence, on a credit card you are spending other people’s money - money you do not have at that moment so it can lead you to care less.
Great episode, George seems like a great guy who shined here more than he does on the ramsey show. also Jack had his best interview ever! my favorite part might be when Jack called Graham out for talking about exotic car loans with 5 minutes left😂 too funny!
Y’all are some of the best podcast hosts. Love the space you give for all different views on this podcast. Wish more of the world could just have conversations.
The idea of paying for someone's ivf treatment is a really nice one. My wife and I went through fertility treatment for about 3 years in the end it cost almost 50k overall.
Which is a great minority of people. And we have to acknowledge that Graham did NOT get rich using debt. All of his most successful properties he used NO leverage. And 95% of his wealth comes from his business aka RUclips and his Job Real Estate NOT INVESTING.
Grahams wealth is initially real estate with his parents help. But now RUclips and taking money from places like FTX is the driver of his wealth. He pockets that FTX money and tells his viewers to dump their money in it. Viewers lose, he wins.
The problem with that thinking though is that people cant logically arrive at the conclusion of exactly which type of person they are. *Ramsey's plan works for either* *The other thinking sinks the MAJORITY of ships*
I get that. I cannot live with debt. I do not have the discipline to use credit cards and finance things (except house). I understand that there are some people that can leverage debt.
This is exactly why George is such a great part of the Ramsey personality team. He had AMAZING answers and rebuttals to every question regarding credit cards and the use of leverage. His arguments are absolutely spot on. It's great to see a good discussion between people who have different points of view but still very much respect one another.
Super respectful interview - all three here are amazing communicators. George has some *very* different views than Graham, but it's still a wonderful conversation
Thank you Graham and Jack for being able to have an honest, open, and amazing conversation with George. I have also questioned some of the "baby steps", but now I get the psychology and spiritual depth behind it. I learned so much on both sides of the discussion!
Hands down best guest the iced coffee hour has had. George strait sharing the gospel and just like Jack people need to hear it to know the truth. I enjoyed every minute of this conversation.
George was so gracious through all of these pro credit card debate points. Both sides were so well emotionally composed and it made this video refreshing. This is what healthy egos look like.
Great episode - both graham and Dave have money philosophies that work on the whole. It’s just for different people. Dave helps people get from lower middle class to upper middle class. Graham helps people get from upper middle class to wealthy
I think it's also important to point out the self awareness side on George's end regarding budgeting. To a certain point, it's like a psychological game. When someone is already frugal and living below one's means, doing a budget, meeting a budget and feel good about it it's more of satisfying a psychological need.
I like George a lot and really proud how honest he was about the different methods. Dave’s method is to help people get out of runts and be able to retire. Grams method is how to maximize wealth more than the “normal” guy. Awesome episode.
George did great. He’s completely right about the “math” vs the “mentality”. As Ramsey says to people in debt, if you were doing math you wouldn’t be here in the first place.
Yes but also Grahman has a point too (a more valid one imo) If they weren’t listening to math and thats got them into this position and that’s why their coming to you… why on earth would you give them advice that isn’t backed by math or just basic common sense really 😂. Wouldn’t it make sense to simple educate them on the math and then instill the beans and rice montra? That’s many peoples issue with Dave’s philosophy is that it’s antiquated and doesn’t make sense from many different perspectives. Most people’s point is you can do both… Instill discipline and become wealthy faster with basic math such as using the debt avalanche method, investing in index funds, or managing your credit appropriately.
@@loganerb3952 "If they weren’t listening to math and thats got them into this position..." This is why you can't address their issues with math, it won't work. Simple education on math isn't their problem (the math for basic budgeting is elementary arithmetic). It's an emotional problem that keeps them overspending, requiring a psychological solution - thus why the Ramsey method is the best approach for the most amount of people.
@@hellfire0332 you just assume that because that’s what Dave tells you what I’m telling you from my personal experience and perspective is you can educate them on the right way to do things and still instill discipline because at this point they are broken… these people you talk about are coming to him at a time of crisis or point of no return… they’re still going to “eat beans and rice”, “sell the car”, and do all these things that’s changing their behavior. I’m just saying be logical in how you then tell them how to allocate their precious assets 😂. “That’s why math won’t work” is just a cop out imo, they just need a better teacher if that’s the case 🤷♂️
@@loganerb3952all you have is a hypothesis about teaching “math”. Can you test that against Dave’s approach? To verify this, we probably need to use stats, math altogether to confirm that teaching math is more effective than dealing with their emotions. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Dave’s approach but his approach makes sense. Most spending are emotional, and credit cards enable “that emotion” to validate the spending (with debit card, your emotion cannot overcome the balance in the account).
That's pretty much saying you aren't capable of managing your finances well based on your past. Speaking of mindset, that's an unhealthy one. I've gotten much farther with a growth mindset than from a mindset of learned helplessness.
1:16:18 “better more well spoken than I am” 😂. Jokes aside, you crushed it this episode Jack. Interesting questions and great arbitration between Graham and George. Loved the episode!
A bit of a tangent, but I recently left Mormonism after growing up with it for almost 30 years, and one of the central issues I had with it is the constant teaching that certain things are "sins", and that the church is the only way to be saved from your "sins". What George said at 1:06:33 just broke my heart because I realized that same pernicious teaching is found in most every religion, and that everyone is told that they're in a lost and fallen state. I'm looking forward to having Jack's mentality where he hasn't internalized that we're all spiritually broken and need some fictional being or church for help with that. It should be illegal for anyone to say they speak for God because it makes people feel broken, dependant on another, and willing to do what they would not otherwise do. Obviously that isn't the main topic of this video, and there are some good teachings and community aspects in religion, but man the shit it causes people to do, and the guilt it makes people feel is devastating. In the most extreme cases, it contributes to people like my best friend Brock to commit suicide. But in every case it causes people to doubt their own feelings and intuition, to destroy their self worth, to enrich and empower people like Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith, or Osama Bin Laden, and to create more hate and division in the world.
Mmmm!!! The only way you can be saved from your sins is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (no through the church)… Mormonism is sadly a distorted and false teaching of Christianity and very few people recognize such thing… Put all your faith in the Truth and the only way to Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ (not the church and the dogmatic practice of it) and I can promise you that you’ll find peace and freedom like you never felt before!! 💕🙌💕🙌
absolutely loved this episode. I am not a religious person myself, but could relate and admire the philosophies and perspective he shared. I also liked the space you all left for each others perspectives. I think there's gaming the system, and there's surviving it. A lot of people are at the survival part! Both can coexist
Lol i love how it goes from jack : “what’s the biggest contributor to your philosophy “ to graham: “whats your favorite bank”. Too lazy to fix formatting but sometimes Graham gives off NPC vibes but I still love you bro. Would love to see you guys do an episode with Ramit - recently discovered his work and I think hes one of the best in diving into the psychology of money as well as bringing the most balanced approach.
I can't believe @GeorgeKamel that you feel you are insecure about being well-spoken. George, I was just thinking about 5 minutes prior to the end of the program how well you have articulated your stance on finances, the Dave Ramsey model, and other topics you all spoke about. Truly, one of the best 1 hour and 17 minutes I have spent in a long time, and I am sharing this with my 28 year old, who has become a Dave Ramsey poster child (his Father and I introduced all three of our boys to Dave Ramsey Financial Peace, when they were in High School, and one of them has truly taken the Baby Steps to heart!) Thanks to all of you for this conversation. It is nice to see people with slightly different viewpoints surrounding personal finances be able to talk about the pros and cons, without the need for anyone to change the other person's mind. Truly informational, and I found the positive and respectful dialogue refreshing.
He mentioned how someone who is going to be a doctor and make $300-400k per year could justify student loans. And that’s true. My brother did. He’s a surgeon now making big bucks. But I’ve also heard calls on the Ramsey show of people who dropped out of medical school, or who work where they only make $120K per year, and they can barely make ends meet with the crushing student loan payments. So even with a law or medical degree, it’s risky to take out loans.
On the Bible I would also point to Proverbs 31:16. The verses from 10 are about a wife or really any women of noble character, with 16 saying "She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard." It implies that she is prudent and diligent, having looked over what would be a good place to put her money into first, as well as productive, using her gains to do more and not for example, letting fear of what might happen lead her to just hide it all away. Lessons just as needed for many of us man as well.
What a very pleasant, well-spoken, knowledgeable man. Really a pleasant to listen too. Lucky I have never been in net debt in my life, except for a few years just after buying my house.
George, this was so well-spoken and very convicting! Never heard you speak before and wow- I am officially inspired. This was a great discussion on everyone's part :)
Hey George, thanks so much for bringing faith into this conversation! ❤ It’s such a big part of why we want to get out of debt-so we can give more and do missions trips and use our money for the kingdom.
36:06 You're right, most people do overspend on weddings. It's just a ceremony uniting you and a loved one. Decent lighting, cake, food, have a friend officiate, you'll spend less than $2,000 if you have it in your backyard or at a public park or wherever. But you don't have to rent out a venue. A lot of people think of that as their only option and they'll browse venues online like "Oh this place charges $500 for the evening, it's the cheapest" but really that's not the cheapest option. You've got friends, you've got family. Many of them have houses even if you might only have an apartment.
This was a great round table discussion. It’s interesting how over the years as you get older what you want changes. When I was in my 30s and I had money left over because I follow those three pivotal rules which my father taught me. Save some, give some away, and spend some. When I was in my 30s, I would go out and buy a new pocketbook maybe some new make up at Macy’s lol but now at 56 years of age, I go to Wegmans and buy top-of-the-line steaks and seafood and have a great dinner lol, that’s what makes me happy.
Oh my gosh!!! I totally love toward the end how genuinely curious they were about the biblical view and our sinful nature. The Holy Spirit was working through you George and convicting them. It was beautiful. And you three sinners are so respectful and kind. I loved watching this ❤️
@@MrPeterschmit I hope you have more opportunities in life to hear the gospel and I hope you can soften your heart to hear the truth of the words of Jesus. There is no greater thing than Gods love and I pray one day you will know that love!
@@konnergarrett5543 I'm 60 years old. I've heard it all. Several times but I'm not afraid to say that the emperor is naked. Tell me where your loving monster god was on 9 11 ? According to the story,it wouldn't have unless he wanted it to. Where was he on 10 7 for that matter? Was he cheering on hamas? Was it his plan for the babies to be burned alive? Not until Jesus entered the equation did eternal punishment come in to the picture. So my hope for you is that you grow up and deal with reality so you can stop spreading evil lies to gullible people.
I'm a Finance manager in the car business in Franklin TN. Only about 10min from the Ramsey Headquarters. I can't tell you how many customers have told me they are on his plan and how well it has worked for them. I can also say that at least half of them are still financing the auto loan with us which obviously I prefer. Wish I could have seen you guys when you were in town! Keep up the awesome content!
I love how when George says something, graham always has a “yea, but If” response… which again relies on Other ppl and other circumstances and everything going a certain way for it to work. Versus, when you have no debt, it’d all up to you and only you how things transpire.
I don't understand people who use a CC, and don't think of it as 'money right now'. I have always used a CC and always kept it paid off, and for me, the CC has ALWAYS equaled 'this is my money spent NOW'. That's because I pay off my CC constantly, and I also keep a spreadsheet of everything I spend, and as soon as I use my CC, I put that money on my spreadsheet as "money already spent". There are some very small, simple things people can do to just BUDGET.
I love this philosophy, I've come across the same way of approaching problems but in WEIGHT LOSS. The hardest part is always the human. Everyone knows not to go into credit card debt or eat too much junk food, but its hard because we are human. You need to use psychological tricks to make it easier and approachable. Hence the debt snowballing method is effective, its easy. Hence why losing weight by creating small habits makes it easier. Even though we always approach these problems from the perspective of whats most effective, in the end it all boils down to human psychology.
It really is nice to see different approaches accepted and not condemned. No shouting, just three reasonable people coming from different places. Gotta say, though, my husband and I "leverage" by being absolutely debt-free.
One of the best financial videos I've ever seen. I appreciated how two different opinions / perspectives can be presented and both sides be respectful. Amazing.
Love this! 2 different methods both very efficient. I really enjoy how they understand each other but are still working the most efficient way they know
George is unique and inspirational. Debt = Slavery. Since being debt free, I lend money / buying Treasuries 5%, so rather than getting a measly 2-3% on credit card, I am a lender to the government and corporation. Credit card is not smart no matter how you try to justify it. Be the master not the slave to your money.
George is right about the credit score thing. Here (Europe - Slovenia) I got my first apartment mortgage on 1.85% variable rate without having any loans before that. And even our credit cards work differently. When I buy something on my credit card, I get a text message asking me how I want to pay it off, and I text back "3 months" it puts it in the next 3 months (credit card limit counts for the full amount) and I honestly don't even know what happens if you don't pay, because there is no discussion of interest rates. I think it's 8% legally allowed maximum interest rate. But our credit cards also don't have any rewards or anything like that. I've since bought another apartment and refinanced my old load to a 1.95% fixed rate :)
Great conversation… but one thing I noticed was the difference in Peace Of Mind. Playing around with debt and having all these liabilities, even though Graham might be “crushing” he still goes to bed worried about that.. meanwhile George just had no worries/fears if something doesn’t go his way. No debt= no stress
George, great job talking about biblical truths and what we believe in. Jack will be thinking about many things you've said and youre a great ambassador. LOVE IT !!!!
Seriously an honor to be on the show. Loved this conversation. Thanks for having me on, guys!
When I hear people complain about the $1000, as beginning as the number one step I always try to tell them what you said, not many people can keep that $1000, in the bank. They still don't see it. Its fun. I paid off $40,000, and finally got enough in my retirement account to live off of in retirement. That 15% of income worked out for me to be the exact amount the government allowed to put into my 401 Plan. Thanks for going over those points.
Amazing episode. So glad to see you around here George. I would love to ran into you one day just to say hi and see you in person, you sound like such an amazing guy :)
Crypto is not just for financial gain. You are very ignorant.
Great job George!
Great episode
One of the best open conversations around different money philosophies I’ve ever heard. And loved George Kamel’s boldness in sharing the gospel. Goosebumps.
I liked how Jack asked about the sin question giving him room to go into that. The fact that they are willing to have these conversations with someone they don’t agree with on everything and not even consider editing out something that isn’t their main content because it was important to the person across the table. I don’t know about Graham and Jack’s faith but I think it’s cool that they gave him that freedom to take the conversation in that direction
@@TEHPRAloved the openness aspect too
I like that George was sticking to his practices and the Ramsay principles almost as much as I loved seeing Graham & Jack pushing back on him. This was refreshing, versus the normal echo chamber of information you often hear on a solo YT video.
Following the Dave plan, paid off $550k mortgage in 6 years. Canada only has 10 year ARM mortgages. So while everyone was saying "its the cheapest debt you can get", im Debt Free & laughing while they are crying seeing the mortgage rates double.
The peace you get owing NOTHING is undescribable. Its hard work for a season, but doable by anyone...if you truly want it.
Canada doesn’t just have 10 year ARM mortgages. What Canada does have is a maximum “term” length of 10 years, either fixed or variable, with a maximum amortization length of 25 years.
Regardless of that…I’m very glad I focused on paying off my house while rates were low, rather than viewing the low rates as a reason to not pay it off.
The Iced Coffee Hour, in 2003 I followed Dave Ramsey to get out of debt. I only receive about $1,120.00 each month I had $48,000.00 of debt and so I did paid off credit cards 4 of them a vehicle and my mortgage within 4 years 8 months it took me. But I was single no children it was just me. So, Dave Ramsey truly turn-out for me in my life. And that is it each person life situation is different. And I promise myself never get deep into debt. So I thank Dave Ramsey. And thanks you, you younger people helps me to be aware of debt not to go into it I do use credit card only pay it off each month. Thanks a lot from Sacramento, CA.
WOW! Congratulations! Definitely something to be super proud of!
How did you manage to pay off more debt than you seemingly earned?
@mrbubbles, set a strict budget for 4 years 8 months cancel as much as I could however this was between 2003 to 2008 years and my house only had $37,000.00 owed on it I am 66 years of age so it was in a different time-line on earth, today stuff is so high I am not sure what I did could be done these days. Hope this help most mostly it will not. enjoy your day.
Loved this episode 🙌
This was GREAT- also, I was joking about the car debt for Jack ;)
Thank you!
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I would say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RECISSION! Recessions are an unavoidable part of the economic cycle; all you can do is prepare for them and plan accordingly. I graduated into a slump (2009). My first job after graduating from college was as an aerial acrobat on cruise ships. Today, I work as a VP for a global corporation, own three rental properties, invest in stocks and businesses, run my own company, and have increased my net worth by $500k in the last four years.
Thats commendable . You should consider imploring the services of a Financial Advisor so you don't get ripped off in the market. They provide personalized advice to individuals based on their risk appetite, placing them among the best of the best. There are bad ones, but some with good track records can be very good.
@Brillian Tran I have no advisor whatsoever, and this recent decline, which I believe was brought on by inflation brought on by war, among many other causes, really hurt my portfolio. Who would you advise that I reach out to in situations like this?
@Brillian Tran Thank you for this tip. It was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her resume.
@@Justinmeyer1000 the bots are getting more compliacted make sure to report them
@@onyxrafle8066They’re both bots. These bot conversations are getting so crazy, you’re probably a bot too.
I love seeing smart people who are able to agree to disagree on some things but still able to be friends and find common ground. It’s so refreshing.
Not George. He Will straight ban you from his page and not even discuss it.
It Ramsey way or no way!
That is a lost art.
OMG! George you did an amazing job from Faith to Finances. You are so down to earth, made it simple and left an impact.
George is amazing...as he self-affirmed...he was "better prepared"... and held consistently to his opinion, with confidence...no need to be insecure, George!
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My wife and I are currently in baby step 2 and are about to pay off my car ($7500 left) then tackling a large amount of student loan debt ($110k). We’re able to throw about $5k/month into debt and are set to be debt free (except the mortgage) in 2 years. It’s a long road ahead but we’re super excited to just decide to stop running this stressful race of trying (and failing) to manage debt. We’re done with consumer debt. George and Dave speak to the vast majority of Americans and their program works.
I already had some respect for George Kamel, but after watching this video that respect went up 20x
Great episode guys!
We need more people like george on the podcast! Just regular people with 9 to 5s absolutely killing it!
Agreed-because most people are just that, 9-5 and need to change their mentality towards money and building confidence within themselves first! Loved this!
If you haven’t yet, go to the 1:08:13 mark and listen to the 5 or so minutes that follow it. George is truly inspirational. It opened my mind to new feelings about money.
First money mistake to avoid is feeling the need to solve everything and be there for everyone, you have to invest in yourself before investing in others
You live and learn. I blew two funded $50K accounts with Karen L Nancy mentorship program. It's really making me self reflect and be able to see my trading mistakes even more. I got caught up in revenge trading and not walking away when I should have.
Our issue stems from the prevalent belief held by the majority that "having a good job is all it takes to become wealthy." Many people are unaware that these billionaires are using a different set of rules when conducting business.
That's very practical and smart goal, a wise man once said do everything you can to get outta debt, one of his tips to get rich.
The best approach for novices is to trade under the supervision of an expert, trust me you will be debt free.
Wish I knew about crypto trading earlier.stock is good but crypto is better. Brace up and get yourself a bitcoin before it's too late.
Great conversation from both sides of financial outlooks. Love both the Ramsey show and grahams podcast. So much to learn from all of them
I rarely comment but this was one of my favorite episodes from the channel. A lot of times after watching finance videos, I end up wanting more money, feeling not enough, etc. This episode was uplifting. Not only it was relatable and enjoyable to hear open conversation about various philosophies but also just a great reminder to BE GENEROUS. Many finance videos are all about ME ME ME, building wealth for myself so I can live a comfortable life for ME (& family) not really talk about the and about GIVING. Love George Kamel’s humbleness and at the same time pleasantly surprised by his boldness as he shares his beliefs/gospel. Been enjoying Graham + Ramsey Solutions collabs! 😎
10000000%
I'm thoroughly impressed by the young man who absorbed the philosophy and information, asked insightful questions despite practicing the complete opposite from the guest. This is one of the better videos which outline the benefits and drawbacks of each philosophy from these two schools of thought.
I don't even think they are necessarily in conflict. Both admit that each works for the right person. George and Graham know that Dave's system is intentionally a one-size fits all, and Graham's method works if you want to put the work in. Doesn't mean one is better than the other. In fact, you could even argue that the best path is to start at Dave and graduate to Graham after you feel comfortable enough to work the system. I think there are just some people that are better off using Ramsey like an AA meeting that they should attend for life, and for that reason, Dave has to emphasize that it's a lifelong philosophy, and it can be, but it doesn't have to be.
What Graham is pushing DOES WORK. But not for people like me. I’m impulsive and not super analytical. And it’s taken me almost a decade to realize this. Only after getting myself into so much debt I couldn’t breath. Credit cards do feel easier to spend on then cash. So for those people with the discipline to be very intentional with credit you can definitely reap the rewards. Those rewards are paid for by people like who I used to be that carry a balance and pay a bunch of interest.
Well, what you wrote applies to most of the population.
I think it definitely works for people like you. Majority of the world is people like you (and me)
It comes down to diligence and perseverance, because it's a lot easier to be impulsive and less analytical than it does to try something that's not common amongst the community.
It's like when you're teaching a toddler to share, they hate it and can't stand it, but as they grow up they learn the importance of sharing and how it can benefit them in the future.
This is how people with differing ideologies on something have a discussion. Well done.
Legit one of the best conversations I’ve heard about debt and about faith.
Everything about this podcast was incredible! The dynamic between the 3 of you was top notch. Please do another eventually
Wow, this was a GREAT conversation between you three. Love the ability to see different perspectives without it getting super tense or heated. Awesome job.
Best episode yet. Love how he shared his faith as well.
You guys are great at conversations. I enjoy that each of you can discuss differing view points and let each other talk without interruptions and arguing.
This was fun to watch and I'm impressed by all three of your very humble attitudes considering what you have accomplished at such young ages.
Investing in Roth IRA can be a good choice since they are funded with after tax dollars, your contributions can grow tax-free over time. When you withdraw money from your Roth IRA in retirement, you won’t have to pay tax on it, which will help you keep more of your hard-earned money. my monthly living expense is up $37500 from $16000 and I'm left wondering what retirement have in store for me 5years down the line, I'm ill-prepared tbh, my 401k worth about $620k and gains are zero-nothing and my stock portfolio?...OH WELL!
Nobody knows anything you need to create your own process, manage risk and stick to the plan, through thick or thin while also continuously learning from mistakes and improving.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. George is the BEST of all the Ramsey personalities. His knowledge, experience, confidence, and genuineness are second to none.
I was impressed to see him acknowledge and demonstrate understanding of the other side, and admit Ramsey is for the common man.
George is truly my role model. He is quirky, funny, sarcastic, but most importantly he is submissive. Way to go my man!
George is such a great communicator and very well spoken.
My dad taught me at a young age to not spend more than what you have in the bank when using a credit card and to always pay it off in full each month. That’s what I’ve done my whole life and have never run into any credit card debt issues. I don’t even have to be conscious about it when I have it on autopay. It’s like using a debit card with cash back while building credit.
Yeah I thought that was the norm as I’ve always thought that’s how you use credit cards.
I do too but most people get into trouble
It honestly doesn’t work for a lot of people. It’s about psychology. When you have the ability to spend more, you spend more. It’s like when you get a raise at a job, you might spend more on fun things because you have more. Having that ability to spend more, people can “forget” how much they actually have. It’s an easy hole to get into. When you just use only debit, you only look at the number you actually have. There is no spending extra because in essence, on a credit card you are spending other people’s money - money you do not have at that moment so it can lead you to care less.
What an absolutely brilliant interview/discussion from all 3 of you and my god George, you're a mini Dave, rockin' it!!! absolutely fantastic.
One of the best interviews. He is more relatable than most other guests on the show.
Great episode, George seems like a great guy who shined here more than he does on the ramsey show. also Jack had his best interview ever! my favorite part might be when Jack called Graham out for talking about exotic car loans with 5 minutes left😂 too funny!
I like how the Ice Coffee Crew is hermit crabbing in other peoples’ studios. High quality shows with low cost. Brilliant! I’m watching and learning.
Y’all are some of the best podcast hosts. Love the space you give for all different views on this podcast. Wish more of the world could just have conversations.
The idea of paying for someone's ivf treatment is a really nice one. My wife and I went through fertility treatment for about 3 years in the end it cost almost 50k overall.
Excellent conversation! Thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth. Great arguments from both sides of the table.
It’s pretty clear that Graham’s advice is for people who can handle the risk of leveraging debt. Mentally and monetarily
Which is a great minority of people. And we have to acknowledge that Graham did NOT get rich using debt. All of his most successful properties he used NO leverage. And 95% of his wealth comes from his business aka RUclips and his Job Real Estate NOT INVESTING.
Grahams wealth is initially real estate with his parents help. But now RUclips and taking money from places like FTX is the driver of his wealth. He pockets that FTX money and tells his viewers to dump their money in it. Viewers lose, he wins.
@@Dance1617and Dave Ramsey did not get his wealth by following the baby steps
The problem with that thinking though is that people cant logically arrive at the conclusion of exactly which type of person they are.
*Ramsey's plan works for either*
*The other thinking sinks the MAJORITY of ships*
I get that. I cannot live with debt. I do not have the discipline to use credit cards and finance things (except house). I understand that there are some people that can leverage debt.
There are some strong words and super positive vibes that emit from George Kamel when he speaks. Absolutely loved his content!
This is exactly why George is such a great part of the Ramsey personality team. He had AMAZING answers and rebuttals to every question regarding credit cards and the use of leverage. His arguments are absolutely spot on. It's great to see a good discussion between people who have different points of view but still very much respect one another.
Super respectful interview - all three here are amazing communicators. George has some *very* different views than Graham, but it's still a wonderful conversation
Following the Ramsey plan, we paid off $107,000 of debt and increased net worth from $200k to $650k.
No credit cards here.
Thank you Graham and Jack for being able to have an honest, open, and amazing conversation with George. I have also questioned some of the "baby steps", but now I get the psychology and spiritual depth behind it. I learned so much on both sides of the discussion!
Hands down best guest the iced coffee hour has had. George strait sharing the gospel and just like Jack people need to hear it to know the truth. I enjoyed every minute of this conversation.
Totally agree. Such a good one. I started feeling emotional when Jack dove deep with George & vs/vs. Sharing the truth...so beautiful!
George was so gracious through all of these pro credit card debate points. Both sides were so well emotionally composed and it made this video refreshing. This is what healthy egos look like.
Great episode - both graham and Dave have money philosophies that work on the whole. It’s just for different people. Dave helps people get from lower middle class to upper middle class. Graham helps people get from upper middle class to wealthy
I think it's also important to point out the self awareness side on George's end regarding budgeting. To a certain point, it's like a psychological game. When someone is already frugal and living below one's means, doing a budget, meeting a budget and feel good about it it's more of satisfying a psychological need.
Thank you George for explaining the "better than i deserve" thing. For 3 years now i thought like you joke it was more of a financial statement.
I like George a lot and really proud how honest he was about the different methods. Dave’s method is to help people get out of runts and be able to retire. Grams method is how to maximize wealth more than the “normal” guy. Awesome episode.
George did great. He’s completely right about the “math” vs the “mentality”. As Ramsey says to people in debt, if you were doing math you wouldn’t be here in the first place.
Yes but also Grahman has a point too (a more valid one imo) If they weren’t listening to math and thats got them into this position and that’s why their coming to you… why on earth would you give them advice that isn’t backed by math or just basic common sense really 😂. Wouldn’t it make sense to simple educate them on the math and then instill the beans and rice montra? That’s many peoples issue with Dave’s philosophy is that it’s antiquated and doesn’t make sense from many different perspectives.
Most people’s point is you can do both… Instill discipline and become wealthy faster with basic math such as using the debt avalanche method, investing in index funds, or managing your credit appropriately.
@@loganerb3952 "If they weren’t listening to math and thats got them into this position..." This is why you can't address their issues with math, it won't work. Simple education on math isn't their problem (the math for basic budgeting is elementary arithmetic). It's an emotional problem that keeps them overspending, requiring a psychological solution - thus why the Ramsey method is the best approach for the most amount of people.
@@hellfire0332 you just assume that because that’s what Dave tells you what I’m telling you from my personal experience and perspective is you can educate them on the right way to do things and still instill discipline because at this point they are broken… these people you talk about are coming to him at a time of crisis or point of no return… they’re still going to “eat beans and rice”, “sell the car”, and do all these things that’s changing their behavior.
I’m just saying be logical in how you then tell them how to allocate their precious assets 😂. “That’s why math won’t work” is just a cop out imo, they just need a better teacher if that’s the case 🤷♂️
@@loganerb3952all you have is a hypothesis about teaching “math”. Can you test that against Dave’s approach? To verify this, we probably need to use stats, math altogether to confirm that teaching math is more effective than dealing with their emotions.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Dave’s approach but his approach makes sense. Most spending are emotional, and credit cards enable “that emotion” to validate the spending (with debit card, your emotion cannot overcome the balance in the account).
That's pretty much saying you aren't capable of managing your finances well based on your past. Speaking of mindset, that's an unhealthy one. I've gotten much farther with a growth mindset than from a mindset of learned helplessness.
1:16:18 “better more well spoken than I am” 😂. Jokes aside, you crushed it this episode Jack. Interesting questions and great arbitration between Graham and George. Loved the episode!
That was horrible 😂 self fulfilled prophecy
I agree! Jack has been great in these interviews
1000% best part of the interview. Jack is a beast.
Didn’t think I’d see trackmania music guy here lol
Amazing financial takeaways as always. Thanks George for the scriptures, good reminder!
This was a great pod cast. Cool to hear George's though process on certain things.
A bit of a tangent, but I recently left Mormonism after growing up with it for almost 30 years, and one of the central issues I had with it is the constant teaching that certain things are "sins", and that the church is the only way to be saved from your "sins". What George said at 1:06:33 just broke my heart because I realized that same pernicious teaching is found in most every religion, and that everyone is told that they're in a lost and fallen state. I'm looking forward to having Jack's mentality where he hasn't internalized that we're all spiritually broken and need some fictional being or church for help with that. It should be illegal for anyone to say they speak for God because it makes people feel broken, dependant on another, and willing to do what they would not otherwise do.
Obviously that isn't the main topic of this video, and there are some good teachings and community aspects in religion, but man the shit it causes people to do, and the guilt it makes people feel is devastating. In the most extreme cases, it contributes to people like my best friend Brock to commit suicide. But in every case it causes people to doubt their own feelings and intuition, to destroy their self worth, to enrich and empower people like Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith, or Osama Bin Laden, and to create more hate and division in the world.
Mmmm!!! The only way you can be saved from your sins is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (no through the church)…
Mormonism is sadly a distorted and false teaching of Christianity and very few people recognize such thing…
Put all your faith in the Truth and the only way to Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ (not the church and the dogmatic practice of it) and I can promise you that you’ll find peace and freedom like you never felt before!! 💕🙌💕🙌
absolutely loved this episode. I am not a religious person myself, but could relate and admire the philosophies and perspective he shared. I also liked the space you all left for each others perspectives. I think there's gaming the system, and there's surviving it. A lot of people are at the survival part! Both can coexist
George explained Christianity very well!
Agreed
Lol i love how it goes from jack : “what’s the biggest contributor to your philosophy “ to graham: “whats your favorite bank”. Too lazy to fix formatting but sometimes Graham gives off NPC vibes but I still love you bro. Would love to see you guys do an episode with Ramit - recently discovered his work and I think hes one of the best in diving into the psychology of money as well as bringing the most balanced approach.
I can't believe @GeorgeKamel that you feel you are insecure about being well-spoken. George, I was just thinking about 5 minutes prior to the end of the program how well you have articulated your stance on finances, the Dave Ramsey model, and other topics you all spoke about. Truly, one of the best 1 hour and 17 minutes I have spent in a long time, and I am sharing this with my 28 year old, who has become a Dave Ramsey poster child (his Father and I introduced all three of our boys to Dave Ramsey Financial Peace, when they were in High School, and one of them has truly taken the Baby Steps to heart!) Thanks to all of you for this conversation. It is nice to see people with slightly different viewpoints surrounding personal finances be able to talk about the pros and cons, without the need for anyone to change the other person's mind. Truly informational, and I found the positive and respectful dialogue refreshing.
He mentioned how someone who is going to be a doctor and make $300-400k per year could justify student loans. And that’s true. My brother did. He’s a surgeon now making big bucks. But I’ve also heard calls on the Ramsey show of people who dropped out of medical school, or who work where they only make $120K per year, and they can barely make ends meet with the crushing student loan payments. So even with a law or medical degree, it’s risky to take out loans.
On the Bible I would also point to Proverbs 31:16. The verses from 10 are about a wife or really any women of noble character, with 16 saying "She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard." It implies that she is prudent and diligent, having looked over what would be a good place to put her money into first, as well as productive, using her gains to do more and not for example, letting fear of what might happen lead her to just hide it all away. Lessons just as needed for many of us man as well.
What a very pleasant, well-spoken, knowledgeable man. Really a pleasant to listen too. Lucky I have never been in net debt in my life, except for a few years just after buying my house.
Thank you I have done so much to get better at my finances in the past 15 minutes listening to you for the last hour. Love this!
Who knew you could share the gospel while talking about money! Only the Holy Spirit can guide a conversation like that. Awesome conversation.
Dave got an amazing new host. Cant believe how well he's doing 😊
This was amazing. Such a humble and gracious conversation. 10/10
I absolutely loved this. I bypassed it the first time because I didn’t have time. Today I’m still and listening!
George, this was so well-spoken and very convicting! Never heard you speak before and wow- I am officially inspired. This was a great discussion on everyone's part :)
Hey George, thanks so much for bringing faith into this conversation! ❤
It’s such a big part of why we want to get out of debt-so we can give more and do missions trips and use our money for the kingdom.
Very satisfying way to spend an hour, learned so much! The chemistry between the 3 speakers was very good, each complimented the other.
36:06 You're right, most people do overspend on weddings. It's just a ceremony uniting you and a loved one. Decent lighting, cake, food, have a friend officiate, you'll spend less than $2,000 if you have it in your backyard or at a public park or wherever. But you don't have to rent out a venue. A lot of people think of that as their only option and they'll browse venues online like "Oh this place charges $500 for the evening, it's the cheapest" but really that's not the cheapest option. You've got friends, you've got family. Many of them have houses even if you might only have an apartment.
This was a great round table discussion. It’s interesting how over the years as you get older what you want changes. When I was in my 30s and I had money left over because I follow those three pivotal rules which my father taught me. Save some, give some away, and spend some. When I was in my 30s, I would go out and buy a new pocketbook maybe some new make up at Macy’s lol but now at 56 years of age, I go to Wegmans and buy top-of-the-line steaks and seafood and have a great dinner lol, that’s what makes me happy.
Oh my gosh!!! I totally love toward the end how genuinely curious they were about the biblical view and our sinful nature. The Holy Spirit was working through you George and convicting them. It was beautiful. And you three sinners are so respectful and kind. I loved watching this ❤️
love hearing a civil conversation about your differing financial philosophies. thanks for sharing!
love the Ramsey crew on the iced coffee hour hope you have them on again soon
A great interview with somewhat differing perspectives but respectful.
My boy George speaking straight gospel truth to millions ❤❤
No such thing as gospel truth bud.
@@MrPeterschmitdo a quick Google search and read a bit on the definition of the word “gospel” and the phrase “gospel truth”
@@MrPeterschmit I hope you have more opportunities in life to hear the gospel and I hope you can soften your heart to hear the truth of the words of Jesus. There is no greater thing than Gods love and I pray one day you will know that love!
@@konnergarrett5543 I'm 60 years old. I've heard it all. Several times but I'm not afraid to say that the emperor is naked.
Tell me where your loving monster god was on 9 11 ? According to the story,it wouldn't have unless he wanted it to. Where was he on 10 7 for that matter? Was he cheering on hamas? Was it his plan for the babies to be burned alive?
Not until Jesus entered the equation did eternal punishment come in to the picture.
So my hope for you is that you grow up and deal with reality so you can stop spreading evil lies to gullible people.
This was the most relatable discussion ever. Thanks y’all!
I'm a Finance manager in the car business in Franklin TN. Only about 10min from the Ramsey Headquarters. I can't tell you how many customers have told me they are on his plan and how well it has worked for them. I can also say that at least half of them are still financing the auto loan with us which obviously I prefer. Wish I could have seen you guys when you were in town! Keep up the awesome content!
They can’t be on Dave’s plan if they’re financing vehicles. That goes against everything he teaches.
@@chanelnoelle4127 My point exactly haha they sure do though…
41:01 this is imo the best snippet. Assuming your goal is to pay off debt, the Ramsey plan works for everyone regardless of income.
This was such a great interview
This is one of the best ones you have posted. Very relatable.
Honestly he makes the Ramsey method much more palatable than Dave does. Great podcast!
I really enjoyed watching this! A great open respectful conversation some very good points raised by everyone!
GEORGE PREACHING JESUS ON THE ICH LETS GO🔥🔥🔥
I love how when George says something, graham always has a “yea, but If” response… which again relies on Other ppl and other circumstances and everything going a certain way for it to work. Versus, when you have no debt, it’d all up to you and only you how things transpire.
This show and interview is so heartfelt to me that I am going to save on my favorite list . I will listen to this again for-sure.❤
I don't understand people who use a CC, and don't think of it as 'money right now'. I have always used a CC and always kept it paid off, and for me, the CC has ALWAYS equaled 'this is my money spent NOW'. That's because I pay off my CC constantly, and I also keep a spreadsheet of everything I spend, and as soon as I use my CC, I put that money on my spreadsheet as "money already spent". There are some very small, simple things people can do to just BUDGET.
Same here. I always say that people have a problem with addition and subtraction. Not rocket science.
I love this philosophy, I've come across the same way of approaching problems but in WEIGHT LOSS. The hardest part is always the human. Everyone knows not to go into credit card debt or eat too much junk food, but its hard because we are human. You need to use psychological tricks to make it easier and approachable. Hence the debt snowballing method is effective, its easy. Hence why losing weight by creating small habits makes it easier. Even though we always approach these problems from the perspective of whats most effective, in the end it all boils down to human psychology.
It is so good to hear a conversation that nice even with different points of view, thats refreshing...
Amazing conversation!
I loved this interview-absolutely awesome!
It really is nice to see different approaches accepted and not condemned. No shouting, just three reasonable people coming from different places. Gotta say, though, my husband and I "leverage" by being absolutely debt-free.
One of the best financial videos I've ever seen. I appreciated how two different opinions / perspectives can be presented and both sides be respectful. Amazing.
Love this! 2 different methods both very efficient. I really enjoy how they understand each other but are still working the most efficient way they know
George is unique and inspirational. Debt = Slavery. Since being debt free, I lend money / buying Treasuries 5%, so rather than getting a measly 2-3% on credit card, I am a lender to the government and corporation. Credit card is not smart no matter how you try to justify it. Be the master not the slave to your money.
George is right about the credit score thing. Here (Europe - Slovenia) I got my first apartment mortgage on 1.85% variable rate without having any loans before that. And even our credit cards work differently. When I buy something on my credit card, I get a text message asking me how I want to pay it off, and I text back "3 months" it puts it in the next 3 months (credit card limit counts for the full amount) and I honestly don't even know what happens if you don't pay, because there is no discussion of interest rates. I think it's 8% legally allowed maximum interest rate.
But our credit cards also don't have any rewards or anything like that.
I've since bought another apartment and refinanced my old load to a 1.95% fixed rate :)
Our CC (in USA) right now average around 25%/yr.....
Wow! It's incredible how much of an odd finance bubble we Americans exist in. An 8% CC interest rate is something last seen in 2003.
Great conversation… but one thing I noticed was the difference in Peace Of Mind. Playing around with debt and having all these liabilities, even though Graham might be “crushing” he still goes to bed worried about that.. meanwhile George just had no worries/fears if something doesn’t go his way. No debt= no stress
George, great job talking about biblical truths and what we believe in. Jack will be thinking about many things you've said and youre a great ambassador. LOVE IT !!!!