MOONTON RESPONDED!! SRG FIGHTS BACK?! SRG EXPLAINED THEIR POV VS SYS REDRAFT ISSUE… 🤯
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- MOONTON RESPONDED!! SRG FIGHTS BACK?! ARCADIA EXPLAINED SRG’S POV VS SYS REDRAFT ISSUE… 🤯
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i like how now all the sys fans are calling malaysia toxic when they know they f up
This issue made both Fanbases Mad at each other and I honestly think that SYS should get a Penalty for Breaking the MLBB Rules and made people wait for 30 mins for another match because of a redraft just because your opponents are strong doesn't mean that redrafting is the solution
They need sys to apologize to the future MSC champs.
SeeYourStrategy
U mean scrim champ?@@Hunyelo
@@HunyeloBro is still dreaming
darkSYStem
Regardless intentional or not, rules are rules to maintain the fairness of the game, being pro players and maintaining professional behaviour is not a rule but a basic requirement.
I am not familiar regarding the rules written in the rule book, but if the respected PH coach from SRG brings up this topic, I believe investigations of upholding such actions should be at least discussed.
Great move and decision by Moonton itself. They should double check some mistakes and never, ever let that happen once again.
Msc was handle by ewc... Thatswhy setup kinda mess up even marshall was a part time that doesnt know much rule mpl
@@sambitkumar7185imagine going to msc as a fucking Snail
@@sambitkumar7185 but if they "accidentally" pick 2 fighters, they still have to proceed with the game because it's human error. So it doesnt matter if they accidentally or not picked 2 fighters, the thing is already happen and they still need to go with the game whether they want it or not
@@sambitkumar7185yes we expect SYS to play with 2 fighters. Why? You cant just redraft like that, i’ve seen alot of misclicks in tournaments before and i have never seen any redraftfts
@@sambitkumar7185so? No one was holding their fingers from picking the heroes on time. Everyone gets the same amount of time for drafting.
Doesn't matter human mistake or bug, what SYS should do is called marshall first, not enter the game and surrender without permission
That surrender should be count as official because they done it in first game
Moonton : Ok guys what will we decide?should we give them punishment?
Tencent / HoK : watching and waiting for moonton's blunder for the next ads purpose😂😂
3:58 MSC should investigate SYS teams even their coach or their boss, because SYS didn't post or upload any vid about their expose dirty trick.
@@RyukiXAsh amen brother #BanSYS4Life
I think sys win in game 1 will be deemed invalid. Srg gets 2 points. This decision however should have been made after the match, the officials in charge were also clueless. Btw sys did it once in m5 too, look to me like a repetitive behavior from them.
M5? fr? When? I wanna watch the match
They did it vs srg, they did it vs onic, they even did it in their own mpl, still cant understans why stup*d cambodians still defending this shi**y team
@@fashlimakarim6757yes ,they already did it several time in their mpl and in M5,it's been their habit using trick like that ,
#SHAMEONYOUSYS
@@SayurKobesdo you know which mpl games they did this? Was thinking of rewatching those. But this seems to be the worst, as they got to see all SRGs heroes, whereas with vs Onic they only got to see 3.
@@SayurKobesbruh they should be ban from mpl
On top of surrendering, SYS did not even call the ref within the 3 second dispute. If you watch the stream back, they raised their hand at 44s mark of SRG pick. Meaning it's over past the 3s rule. Rules are rules. And rules need to be upheld for the fairness and integrity of the competition. The marshall who allowed the remake and SYS should be reprimanded for unprofessional conducts.
Imagine being so good that your opponent has to resort to cheating just to beat you.🤷🙄
Redraft meta is real
Unprofessional lol
Nah I agree, but imagine commenting basically the same shet twice
Atleast its better than how ap bren was disqualified by dewa
Lol
There’s one game that donut ( gold laner ) accidentally pick leomord against Team Flash and they still continue to play no rematch
That was Vs team Flash
They didn't swap hero with Jungler..I think it should be Leomord jungle and HARITH Gold lane
It's very unprofessional act from SYS, I'm as Malaysian MLBB Esport enjoyer want Moonton and organizer in Saudi Arabia to give heavy punishment to SYS
They already gave 500 dollars penalty to SYS what more do you want?
@@drakex241 500 dollars for 3m prizepool?
@@drakex241lololol
@@drakex241we want srg to get full 2 points..and sys deduct 2 points..500 dollar? Are you kidding me? Hahahaha that kind of fine 1 sys able to pay that lol..jome
@@drakex241LULW
I lost my respect for SEE YOU SOON , MOST HATED squad in MSC
Have you watched C9’s two throw games? Lmao
@@mokyodai at least they didn't cheat
they are not cheater like scambodia😂
Yeah, if there is an award for that SYS absolutely deserve that
It should be like see you scam squad
last year they did the same thing against Onic at M5, WTF
they did this against ph and kh teams as well.
#justiceforsrg
Karma for leaking scrims. Told you, Malaysian teams choke outside Malaysia, though they will still beat Onic like they always does since M3.
@@PX02its not even them who leaked the scrims its Laphel ☠️. You butthurts bitches always find something irrelevant to shit on other teams when its not even their fault.
@@PX02 since M3? bro is yapping 😭 MSC 2022, M4, MSC 2023, M5, malaysia is just plain below indo teams lmfao. go hate on indo somewhere else kid
@@PX02 SRG didn't choke. They would have even swept sys if it wasn't for them cheating🤦🙄
@@Hunyelo SYS were def breaking the rule, but I dont think that kind of stuff can help you winning the game. but still justice for srg
you cant just pick a wrong hero, surrendered first thing before asking for a redraft, changed your pick then not letting the other side change their pick too. then when the game is in the balance (50/50) you asked for pause because you want a handwarmer??? there needs to be a punishment atleast for this continuous act that can gain an (unfair) advantage over the other team! should be -1 point deduction imo, not too harsh, can still qualify, but still a punishment.
why ask pause when game balance? What rules? There no rules pause when game balance?
But the rule say “notify the referee in 3second and before other team locked their next selection”. So the match should be stop before SRG pick their last hero. So how rule 6.4.4 is used here???
Agreed, if the referee that supervised the SRG player that stood behind them stopped the player from picking a hero, then this 6.4.4 rule can be used or otherwise they should redraft every hero all over again to make it fair.
Yes, that would be mean SYS error, stormie has been give 30 seconds before he pick his hero but SYS has no respond, 30 seconds is a lot of time to tell the marshall
I think that is it means the last pick will be considered when all enemy hero has been picked. So if SYS informed on their pick before SRG last pick, their last pick may be different. But the re draft only SYS get to change their pick, Srg had to play the same draft they had. This actually made SRG did not get the 'last pick' advantage over SYs, as that game it was their turn to get 'last pick'. Even who picks/bans first will determine the whole draft and gamplay, drafting is like 40% in winning the match
It is, they already get penalty
@@BARBQSAA Can I have the source
Of course, proof is needed if it was really a bug... Because its a big tournament that being said it had happened to me twice while playing rank i picked xavier but when i pressed ok I got diggie instead... But like I said, they need to proof that it was really a bug
The thing is why they wait SRG pick last hero?? Why not raise hand after wrongly pick?
Sys player look so relax, after that pick.look like it was intended. Not a bug The expression of their face is like " we've done this before, hopefully they didnt notice it".
According to the msc post, Sys's last two picks weren't intended, which caused the team to immediately reported this to the referee. So I don't think they waited for the last hero of SRG to be picked. Regardless, I do think Sys should be punished soon to deter this from happening again
Many people said that in cambodia, sys also cheating in their MPL
So no wonder
Not raise hand? go back and watch Our Coach also tell the staff when draft pick is still 42s left😊
@@sladmin5016and you can see the timer already reach zero, I'm sure it's a human error, they not focusing on the timer. I've watch it 3 times, dude
As long as moon toon uphold what they said, I'm cool with this....im glad they responded to it immediately and it was great that SRG did not let that slide...Despite all the rivalry and trash talks of the teams, what I wanted to watch was good mlbb with respect at the end of the day... I just hope SRG stand steady.
if you rewatch it, the time for choosing hero has expired.. it was auto pick not a human error nor bug .. they just forgot to picked heroes in time.. so the organizers should not redraft and continue the game instead.. it was organizers fault to do allow the request of redrafting while they have the power to impose continuation.. they just didn't investigate the situation thoroughly.. they should look at the time for pickinf but it seem they didn't look at it.
for live stream viewers, the stream A was already finishing why they were still at pause. Also why on earth SRG cant redraft last pick?
What a shitshow. This is the international scene? Whatever happens, I hope SYS is in the end of the blade.
Bro I got to say this but SYS is in the right of rule 4.6.6 and they only be punishing that they surrender and quit yapping and just wait for the official announcement
You comment ppl doesn’t know anything but Yapping
@@osoko8616clueless dumbass
@@osoko8616 It was a shit show and you know it. Too many evidence for everyone to see, I think you can just look past my comment and see a dude explaining ALL SYS wrongdoing.
I'm not the only one of the same opinion, but I have to agree that I'll wait for the official statement. For the time being, the management has done SRG injustice. That's a *fact.*
@@a_very_burnt_steak check my other comment which I got full source of what happen and after you read it, if you don’t believe it than just wait for Official announcements and stop Yapping
it happend before in rsg ph in mpl ph. they played through it because its a mispick by players or they ran out of time.
#JusticeForSRG !!!🎉🎉
This happened twice in a row isn't? Game 1 and game 2 of sys vs srg
1:28 bro being held hostage by SYS
@@RyukiXAshban your mother
@@privategaming6867 ban their whole country as well
@@privategaming6867ban their whole country as well
@@privategaming6867 ban their country as well
@@privategaming6867cambotdia
That's definitely cheating, if that's a bug, other teams would have experienced that since it's a game issue. Coach Arcadia is right, their players are affected by that long wait time, that could easily die down a motivation. If there's no video, SYS needs to release their voice communication during the draft at least and clear their name because it's going to look really bad for them if they can't defend themselves.
Personally, this was definitely not a bug/game issue but an exploitation of a tournament rule.
Sys player look so relax, after that pick.look like it was intended. Not a bug The expression of their face is like " we've done this before, hopefully they didnt notice it".
People seem to forget that this is srg first international debut. So imagine this being your first international match and these shits happen
@@MFHM15bro do you think miss picking hero during 3s time is just a coincidence they should know that this is tournament not vs custom ai
Agree, release the voice comms to public for transparency.. for fairness.. for sportsmanship.. 3 million dollar is at stake..
I counted and recounted the timer four times with 3 different brand stopwatches and the stream's timer. All timers are showing more than 3 seconds. I don't know if my time standard used is different with the one used as that rules. Let's just wait the official investigation results
This is really bad fir SYS. In MPL a wrong pick is a wrong pick. No redraft.
Truth! If it was a human error, the game should go on. This is just disappointing since it happened twice on the same match.
3:46 moonton response
I think that's human error not a bug. It seems like auto pick since they pick at 0 sec or might have miss clicking the hero. Unless there's a small chance they already hanging the hero(whatever the hero) but at 0 sec it suddenly change to lapu2. Well if SRG admit that happened or draft recorded there's high chance for a bug where for example from hanging edith suddenly at 0 seconds change to lapu2.However if there's no sign of hanging hero until 0 sec then game over for sys. Regarding procedure about rematch before SRG pick(kagura) . No comment bcuz sys did inform and there's arguments between them and admin. They(admin there) might not be too experience or professional with handling the situation . They might as well inform to srg side ASAP as well decide faster(whether to redraft or not) before the kagura pick since srg picked kagura at 0 second too(they might have wait for the last second just to make sure there's no further announcement from the other side).So the decisions from the referee (rough guess)might be to proceed the game according to the rules. However it was informed in the game that SYS suddenly surrender and asked for redraft without telling the ref there?? (question mark??). Just an opinion btw. No hard feelings for both teams since this is a tournament with huge amount of prize pool. So.... Justice need for a fair play. 1 point is a lot to help them from getting eliminated from the group stage. _(:з」∠)_
I think Coach Arcadia said video evidence
It ady happen at m5 with onic ID.. even at MPL cambodia also happen.. so that not mistake.. but like coach arcadia said.. just accept any result from moontoon.. and hope this issue will be last.. and it will never happen in future..
I think to be able to correct some mistakes of possible human error is that there will be a question in the program if the player really wanted to confirm their chosen hero
Yeah it's about time to exposed if SYS really do that or it just a pure luck
Even if its a mistake or bug. Rule 6.4.4 cannot be used here because SRG already pick their hero. So instead of redraft with same hero selection, the game should be full redraft for both team.
the "conceding the game action" without asking for permission first was enough to proof that SYS are breaking rules. that action alone can book them a penalty.
i think this is the referee's fault because when i rewatched the vod, they called the marshall immediately after their error. the marshall should paused the match immediately but they let the other team continue their picks. the other stupid shit that they made though is forfeiting the game without informing the marshall
I believe it is a human error. Its clearly shown in the video (live) that they (See you soon) did not pick hero before the 1 minute timer ended. And it went to autopick, which is the yuzong & lapu²... That redraf should not be allowed.. Or do they (See you soon) need 5 minutes just to pick a hero? Twice redraf? Pause for handwarmer? dudeee..
it was intentional. their player just let the time over so the system will automatically pick their core heroes. they have enough time to draft. it wasn't Human error or bug. you do know if you afk in drafting session the system will pick a hero's for you right?.
O m a g a a a ! ! ! 😱
Sys the new public enemy😂😂
RSG ph aldo na pick pero nag go parin.. ito international na hindi na ito PH,INDO,MY,MYANMAR,SINGAPORE, malayo na narating ni moonton sana pang international din ang RULES HINDI NABABALI
Even though im a Cambodian it's just shameful for sys to do this, a lot of my friend seems to defend sys but i think it was pretty unfair
Atleast a rematch to solve alk of this...
Win it fair and square, not by others mistake
Sometime I said, "SKILL ISSUE"
Pati pag-pause in the middle of the game not because sa technical issue ngunit nagpause lang para humingi ng heatpad ba tawag roon yung pampunas sa kamay eh maling-mali first time ko nakita sa MOBA tournament yung ganoon paraan.. Kung may TECHNICAL ISSUE saka lang dapat puwede mag-PAUSE THE GAME..
I think at fault really is how the organization handled the situation taking so long. You have cameras on the players, referees on guard to at least check the drafting in person (provide eye testimony). In other regions example PH there is already a decision to stick the pick and no repicking. Lastly SYS saying it is a bug, they should at least show evidence that or tell the truth (assuming it was not a bug)Upholding integrity and fairness of the game should be maintained.
Saudi wants to put hand at all the eSports and Sports available in the world because of that also this happen because instead of taking slowly they want want to go all out.
Heeeey 1 day later they finally did something. Goodjob orgs, now tell moonton to fix their matchmaking
There’s no such thing about redraft twice! First draft was a miscommunication from referees said it was a ping test as you alr saw srg banned randoms heroes not in meta. Then referees came back said that was an official match turn out they have to redraft again. Second draft was a mistake or bug. For penalty, 1k usd fine to sys no point deduction and no disqualified for surrender without giving referees notice. Eventho it’s not in official announcement yet but y’all gonna see
Lmao... 1k fine... 1k is just toilet papers for arabs 😂 what a joke.... At least fine them usd 1 mil
I agree, we need a proof that it is a bug not human error
Human error like this already happened in MPL ID when RBL player mistook Amon and Julian, because it's human error the game must go on and there is no redrafting
may i ask, what’s the background music?
problema dyan is ung coach at players, matagal mag isip lagi last second, hinahanap pa ung heroes kung nasan para ipick kesa ihanda
500ms
Sys coach brain usb 1 mb nro talaga 😂
Natatandaan ko yung vlog ni coach bon chan. Bago pa man sila sumalang sa stage, napag-uusapan na nila kung anu-ano yung mga ipipick nilang mga hero. Magbabago na lng yun depende sa pickings ng kalaban. Pero prior to that alam na nila yung nabuo nilang 5 heroes.
Popcorn guys ! ! ! 🔥୧⍤⃝🍿🔥
We are looking into the issue.Be patience we will give justice to every team.
#JUSTICE4SRG #JUSTICEFORSRG ‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼
You have to play with whatever you pick. It happened with team Alliance at The International and they’re being professional
in malaysia,we call that "menipu diri sendiri"
Di Komunitas Malay rame dibicarakan gak bang ?
@@yudistira3597rame bang
@@yudistira3597 ramai lagi hangat lagi2 ada ss di ig 30 minggu yang lalu mengatakan sys dari dulu memang pernah buat strategi meta redraft.
@@yudistira3597 banyak bang...isu ini kayak lgi pedes2 di sini gitu
Nope we call it's "kepala buto pak kau"
SYS= See You Soon ❌
RDS= Re Draft Soon ✅
SYS = ScamYouSoon
see your strat. lol.
They did that on M5 vs onic ID, but they still lose. They under estimate onic mentality😂.
Theyre doing it again in this msc maybe they think that they can scape again on their strategy. The hand warmer pause is kinda ok because every team needs it not only SYS, specially if your hand is cold, but the re draft is kinda SUS.😅
Nahh…in m5 it just a redraft again..not like srg players to wait almost 1 hour… delaying opponent is an old diryy trick
@@cham93ful Im just saying they did that trick again. That's why Im saying the re draft are suspicious.
There must be a penalty for what they have done.
@@cham93fulAnd pause only for handwarmer😂😂😂
Next they're going to pause for a popcorn and people will say its ok because 'you are not you when youre hungry'
@@shahfuan2817bro’s hand is cold of course he need a handwarwer. He might be hungry too so he should pause and eat first just in case😁
His "uh" got me.
Now that this happened, i think SYS should be penalize to have shorter time on pick and ban phase for the whole group stage meaning the last 3 matches that they will have will be shorter time on pick and ban. Plus dont allow all teams to pause just to change hand warmer in the middle of the game regardless if there's ongoing team clash or laning phase.
i had this issue multiple times and even my friends when they lock hero it automatically changes into some other heroes they frequently use. did anyone else have this issue?
The problem is,this is a tournament phone,so its impossible to be ingame error.its not their personal phones.
You didn't lock the hero that's why it changed. The most recent hero that you used will be picked if you didn't lock the hero before the time expires.
30 minutes delay for such a big event is insane. and another pause for handwarmer? are they try to cosplay AP BREN or what!?
This should not be happening in pro scene... No room for this kind of mistake in a high stake tournament.. Every team is given a fair share of time to pick..organizer should address this issue and its their fault in the first place for letting the remake happen.. Its unfair to srg
True that happened in mpl ph when coach yeb is in onic ph. The bug strat againts (execration) Omega
feels like match fixing in the side of staff in that series
It's not a Human error or some bug they intended to do that.
what they need to investigate im so confused? if they surrendered without approval of referee YOU LOSE THE FKING GAME WHY DO YOU REDRAFT?
they fact that they did this against onic in m5 and got away with it
the kagura should be allowed to repick as it was picked after the "mistake" lapu pick
I think I noticed SYS coach call a marshal after picking the two fighter. But their mistake was surrendering instead of waiting for the marshal's decision
They literaly cheated because look.... there last pick for sys was roamer and exp they intentionaly pick 2 fighters to see what will be srg's last pick and then choose what exp to keep and what roamer to choose. SYS IS DIRTY !!!! REPORT MOONTON
Onic once faced this shit, now it happened again
This is so unfortunate, SRG know they'll win in Game1 with that pick for SYS. Coach Arcadia had a bad moment of that redraft
Actually if not mistaken, the yu zhong pick was intended. But the lapu was autopicked bcs they ran out of time. Not even human mistake
And pls is there even such a bug that will pick you random hero? And why SYS again after last time they did it too
And TBH, that win from SYS after they literally broke the rules affect the knockout stage later on. They will have same point as onic
Unless msc has head to head rule, there will be a tiebreaker i assume
It's definitely a human error.
Because I know that draft pick for s4 and s5 will simultaneously unlock after s3 successfully make a pick.
RELEASE THE VOICE COMMS !!! Also the point of having the red side is to have that last pick counter hero.... If you want to redraft, then why only blue side gets to do it.... Because now blue side become the red side, they are the one who have that privilege to last pick counter.... The whole thing is dumb
SYS will be like: The bug caused the wrong pick and the bug just surrender without SYS approval, not SYS not seeking for referee approval. We tried to call the referee the first thing the bug surrender not when it mispick our hero.
lol 2 times bug, autopick and surrender...crazy🤣🤣🤣
bullshit.
Still waiting for penalty, and today is the match of their group. Are they just gonna advance and the penalty will be decided after msc? 🤷
If it's a bug then it's okhay but in my whole fkng life never faced this kind of bug playing ml from season 1 if it's a human error then they don't even deserve a rematch since they lied and wasted so many time.... Just give them a 0
playing thousands of ranked games and yet still mispicked at the international tournaments lol
@@muhammadameruddin6455 deserve a 0 point
#JUSTICE4SRG
SYS always do this even at M5 against onic and in mpl kh. Dirty tactics
The marshalls are incompetent i saw this live (watch the livestream again) after they pick lapu they immediately call the marshal but they were too slow to make a decision that's why the kagura pick still came through even after sys reported it. For sys surrendering the game without the marshall approval we still need more info for that so we can't judge sys for now.
Can someone explain? Do they change the draft after it has been redrafted ? Are we trying to win without a fair fight just because someone missed their pick? Please explain.
First draft- Wrong ban
Second draft- wrong pick and then SRG already pick Kagura
Redraft the lapu lapu pick for SYS but not with the SRG's Kagura
Then, SYS pause in match for hand warmer
so people assume they did all this thing on purpose to disturb SRG mental and to counter pick Kagura
This is not the first time this team did something like this. And, even pause game because they hands get cold? WTF this shit team.
Coach arcadia said very well
Wah wajar sih aku saja lihat kesel banget, apa coba re-draft 2x bikin kesal
you have 15s to pick and you miss click? like, WTH?!
i don't think that's "BUG there's no bug in picking'.you're right coach arcadia that's human error.
at first why the match marshal allow this to happen, that's mean they are not professional enough to perform their duty,
SEE YOU AIRPORT
its a bug where if you suggest pick a hero and it makes you choose it even tho ur showing something else
so far that's the main issue. the issues are;
1st why they condeded defeat without asking permission from referee. they forced a rematch (breach of rules)
2nd why the org allowed sys for redraft but not for srg
now comes the 3rd issue. since sys conceded defeat why the org were trying to find out whether it was a bug or a human error. because of that they couldn't find out the truth immediately. the big things are sys forced a rematch without permission from referee. and they org allowed it without any further investigation.
It's not a bug. If you only show a hero but didn't lock it before the time expires. Your most recent hero that you use will be picked instead.
It's a human error. Based on other comments, it's not the first time SYS did this human error.
@@jaysonocampo6472 no i mean when you show a hero and its ur turn to pick if you click the confirm button it will choose the hero you suggested instead of the hero you showed happened to me a bunch of times you can try it
#JusticeForSeeyouSoon
They got punished 👁️👁️
It can be a bug.. I once press Fanny as a joke without selecting and couldn’t change it even when there was still time left MLBB is full of bugs my team mate didn’t believe me but STG
so far that's the main issue. the issues are;
1st why they condeded defeat without asking permission from referee. they forced a rematch (breach of rules)
2nd why the org allowed sys for redraft but not for srg
now comes the 3rd issue. since sys conceded defeat why the org were trying to find out whether it was a bug or a human error. because of that they couldn't find out the truth immediately. the big things are sys forced a rematch without permission from referee. and they org allowed it without any further investigation.
2 of sys plyr got hit by 2 different bug twice😂 and they get,2 restart , 3 repick,1 pause, get to see srg last pick, after all this they fail to provide bug evidence n they didn't ask marshall permission.they literally says f referees
Like that caster said "S5 tak nak tank"
This is EWCxMSC the biggest eSports event in the world yet somehow this kind of dirty tricks and unprofessionalism happened on day 1
SYS has do the same thing during M5 against Onic. Such a stupid tactic from SYS. Such a shame for their country.
"See You Soon After the Ban"
If it is a bug, the last pick would be saber, helcurt, selena or natalia. There's no precedent that the bug would venture outside these 4 heroes
How there pick 2 roles fighter in first match? A bug?
auto pick when the timer run out. try on pub game. you will automatically get heroes if you hadn't pick anything within the time limits. so its not BUG.