When diesel locomotives are pulling a very heavy load, they'll often put an engine or two at the back of the line to help push, often doing so while backwards. So the cab at the back of the train is accurate.
This is an actual train configuration called “Push Pull” but it is used for trains going in one way with another train needing to carry the same cars the other way as to not have to turn around and waste time and fuel
Jetfire48 I didn't say I want him as a voyager. I was saying that the train mode of both Astrotrain and Sentinel reminded me of Energon Omega. I would rather see that as a leader class or a titan if they wanted to.
TJ did you get a vibe from the Shuttle Mode from the Shuttles from the Animated Movie considering both have similar orange & red colors & heck it could be a reference? :)
Hey, so in train mode, can his head stay attached if, say, Infinitus had his arms and legs removed? Or is that a solid "no, he's not gonna fit in there"?
In before his Titanmaster turns out to be Hank Hill incarnate! But I have to say that I love this guy- nice bright colors and fun alternate modes, especially with that unintentional Build Ressha homage and his very nice little Titanmaster; I am actually more excited to get this guy than Galvatron. Kinda hoping he ends up a shelfwarmer on discount though...
Jetfire48 It would have better articulation though, plus it doesnt have to be dead on accurate for it to sell, I mean look at generations doubldealer for example , he didnt include his powermasters and he turns into a jet/tank instead of a eagle/missile truck. At least it would be another way to get this mold more use, after all it is hasbro (king of repaints)
I'd say this toy's inability to completely match Energon Omega is balanced out by it's ability to homage multiple versions of the character at once, something else Hasbro likes to do. The shuttle mode could also make this guy a decent Animated Omega homage as well, especially nice since that version of the character never got a toy at all.
As we're getting Astrotrain from Sentinel. Maybe we'll get Blitzwing from Megatron and perhaps Octane from the new Titans Return Voyager Optimus depending on what his 3rd mode is.
There's a term called pretooling. Basically, the mold was obviously made for one character, but they sell the retooled character first. It is PLAINLY OBVIOUS that that Megs mold was made for Blitzy and the Prime mold is Octane. It's not even a question.
This guys deco, mostly in the chest, reminds me of rodimus prime. Really makes me want another rodimus prime (not hot rod, I already have classics). In a perfect world, he'd be a truck like in energon, but without clown feet.
Jetfire48 I know, and i mentioned it above. I want rodimus prime, not hot rod. I already have classics hot rod, so i don't need virtually the same figure with glorified partsforming in the head.
Take this guy's head and Mindwipe's body, and you can repaint them into a Beast Wars Optimus Prime, like that one two-pack with him and Megatron as a bat and alligator respectively.
He also missed, rightfully, the way the feet are supposed to go. While you CAN use the shuttle nose as the feet, and the art depicts it that way, it's designed that you use the train fronts as the feet with the shuttle nose as heels.
Well that way, the leg panels don't close all the way; though the train feet do look closer to his comic design in how they are shaped, and also folding the wings back can allow you to give him shoulder mounted cannons, which again increases his IDW-ness. tfwiki.net/wiki/File:MegatronOrigin1_Sentinel_Prime.jpg
I think I prefer this as Astrotrain. It feels kinda forced to me as sentinel. Neat design though, I like that center piece in the train mode kinda like a mobile fortess command center thingy. Im just gonna pretend this thing is a super sentai robo.
Man, sucks that your's has poor quality. This was my first Titans Return figure, and mine is just fine, aside from a very loose knee. My panels are fine, so are the gun pegs and peg holes.
"These are great Cybertronians. These are bots that want to see great things for the planet. They try to build them, sort of a radical agenda. It's not a radical agenda, it's called Pax Cybertronia." -Sentinel Prime
We need a proper reimagining of G1 Sentinel. An Astrotrain repaint isn't good enough!!! Yeah IDW is cool, but this is still "GENERATIONS Titans Return!" Just like "GENERATIONS Thrilling 30" and "GENERATIONS Combiner Wars!"
Animated was a jerk but he never betrayed the Autobots. Sentinel, you've been Tangoed mate. I like this toy and I am excited for the Astrotrain, I will get this guy too
Animated Sentinel was pretty much turning Cybertron into a paranoia filled military dictatorship, so while not betraying the Autobots he was pretty evil.
Animated Sentinel was pretty bad - tried to arrest anyone who questioned him, threw his rank around instead of trying to earn respect, always talked down to Optimus (who was the same goddamn rank), was a complete kissass to Magnus, and was just plain incompetent as a leader.
Sentinel doesn't always go bad. That's just Dark of the Moon. The original Sentinel only existed to die and never actually did anything after that and Animated Sentinel was just a jerk but not evil.
He went bad in the IDW comics that this toy is based on. And (to a lesser extent) in the Aligned continuity he was responsible for the rise of the caste system that eventually led to the Decepticon uprising. And has Animated continue, I think we would've seen him be even worse. In Season 3 he was already turning Cybertron into a paranoid military state.
***** I forgot about Sentinel being in the Covenant of Primus... which I have hanging on my wall right behind the computer. Anyway, I thought the toy looked like his War Within appearance where he literally only existed to die. He was killed in the first issue where he then passed the Matrix to Optitronix (Optimus Prime's original name in that comic) and never came back. Also I said Animated Sentinel was a jerk but he wasn't evil. He was definitely the worst Autobot in the series. He was rude to his own team mates, he hated Optimus, he also hated organic life, but the thing is he hates the Decepticons even more than he hates anything else. I could picture him being similar to Depth Charge or Prime Wheeljack. Maybe have him quit or be kicked out of the Elite Guard but even then would still be on the side of the Autobots. I could never picture him going so bad as to actually change his allegiance and join up with the Decepticons. Even the one time he did work with a Decepticon, it was to hunt down and capture other Decepticons. And I'm pretty sure Sentinel was planning on arresting Lockdown the moment he was no longer useful.
+Daniel Adkins IDW is not g1... its an well known fact like how megatron and galvatron are seperate characters in it plus beast wars characters are in it when they didn't exist until generation 2 ended
The term is "pretool", when a mold is designed to be one character but it's released as a different one first. Titans Return Optimus and Megatron were the same way, the molds were meant for Octane and Blitzwing. They release a toy like Sentinel Prime first because collectors are more likely to buy them both, the first time to play with the mold, the second to get the character it was designed for. Doing it the other way, less are going to buy the repaint cause they already have the ideal version of the toy.
When diesel locomotives are pulling a very heavy load, they'll often put an engine or two at the back of the line to help push, often doing so while backwards. So the cab at the back of the train is accurate.
I need to see this retooled or customised into an Energon Omega Supreme.
This is an actual train configuration called “Push Pull” but it is used for trains going in one way with another train needing to carry the same cars the other way as to not have to turn around and waste time and fuel
Just needs a construction crane a helmet and some safety stripes
emgo sent you here didn't he
I'M GLAD I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO IS REMINDED OF THIS BEING ENERGON OMEGA SUPREME.
though an voyager omega supreme is pretty dumb though...
Jetfire48 I didn't say I want him as a voyager. I was saying that the train mode of both Astrotrain and Sentinel reminded me of Energon Omega. I would rather see that as a leader class or a titan if they wanted to.
It would do better as an astrotrain toy
I can't unsee his smiling cyclops shins!
OMG they are smiling cyclops...
Trains almost always have an engine on the front and back so they can go either way down the line.
All aboard build Dai-oh!
LITERALLY ALL I CAN SEE!
Actually it's a decent representation of an armoured train. Which have multiple tank turrets on them.
TJ did you get a vibe from the Shuttle Mode from the Shuttles from the Animated Movie considering both have similar orange & red colors & heck it could be a reference? :)
The train mode reminds me of the armoured train in Einhander for some reason. Nice.
I usually think of his color scheme as very fire guts super ginrai.
harmonica rendition of the rain'll turn to rainbow plays in the distence
My copy also has the gun issue where they are not tight enough in train mode
dip the post in Floor polish, also there is a second release of Optimus Prime, the first release being Powermaster/Godmaster Prime/Ginrai
Hey, so in train mode, can his head stay attached if, say, Infinitus had his arms and legs removed? Or is that a solid "no, he's not gonna fit in there"?
In before his Titanmaster turns out to be Hank Hill incarnate! But I have to say that I love this guy- nice bright colors and fun alternate modes, especially with that unintentional Build Ressha homage and his very nice little Titanmaster; I am actually more excited to get this guy than Galvatron. Kinda hoping he ends up a shelfwarmer on discount though...
Hello Omega supreme... Sentinel scaned another transformer
also The arc as vehicle mode? interesting
I bet we will get an energon omega supreme repaint! It wouldnt really be to scale, but it would make sense as he was a train and a headmaster.
wouldn't that mean we would be getting an inferior figure?
Jetfire48
Explain?
+BIG RYE OX-500! it would only accomplish one part of omega supreme thats it
Jetfire48
It would have better articulation though, plus it doesnt have to be dead on accurate for it to sell, I mean look at generations doubldealer for example , he didnt include his powermasters and he turns into a jet/tank instead of a eagle/missile truck. At least it would be another way to get this mold more use, after all it is hasbro (king of repaints)
I'd say this toy's inability to completely match Energon Omega is balanced out by it's ability to homage multiple versions of the character at once, something else Hasbro likes to do. The shuttle mode could also make this guy a decent Animated Omega homage as well, especially nice since that version of the character never got a toy at all.
I finally found this guy today. I've never even found any tr voyagers before today.
The grey holes on the side are loose on mine too, don't feel singled out, they don't discriminate on who they screw over for weapon storage.
Side note, the back of the upside down face on infinitus kind of looks like a cape when in Titan master mode.
+Terrsolpix Ok, I'm not the only one to notice that lol. Or some sort of jet pack with a stretch of imagination
I can see that too, makes me think it was almost intentional to give a more regal vibe.
As we're getting Astrotrain from Sentinel. Maybe we'll get Blitzwing from Megatron and perhaps Octane from the new Titans Return Voyager Optimus depending on what his 3rd mode is.
tim you really its the other way arouns sentinel prime is pretool same with optimus and megatron
+DrVinyl Scratch we got one shown in botcon.... its an pretool of TR blitzwing
There's a term called pretooling. Basically, the mold was obviously made for one character, but they sell the retooled character first. It is PLAINLY OBVIOUS that that Megs mold was made for Blitzy and the Prime mold is Octane. It's not even a question.
Can't wait to see the Galvatron review.
I know who it was meant to be
Octane😮
😑 no astrotrain
Can you do cybertron mudflap
next?
Wish the head and hands were gray instead
Also wasn't Sentinel Prime in the IDW comics White with Yellow & Black Highlights or am I thinking of another Evil Turning Prime?
You're thinking of Nova Prime/Nemesis Prime. Sentinel was indeed Yellow and orange.
I am kind of hoping they fix that panel issue when we get Astrotrain.
If you use the Train front as the the shuttle front he looks better and seperates himself from Astrontrain a lot better.
Must have Armada Jetfire repaint!
ehhhhh i would prefer not...
This version comes with extra BURNING JUSTICE!!!!
naw hes orange juice edition burning justice
I like this guy a lot more than Galvatron, that's for sure.
I was planning on getting sentinel prime but it was ether Galvatron or him, so long story short I got Galvatron.
Why is a full set train so small? They at least have the decency to just make it the engine.
This guys deco, mostly in the chest, reminds me of rodimus prime. Really makes me want another rodimus prime (not hot rod, I already have classics). In a perfect world, he'd be a truck like in energon, but without clown feet.
btw we are getting an new hot rod in the TR line
Jetfire48
I know, and i mentioned it above. I want rodimus prime, not hot rod. I already have classics hot rod, so i don't need virtually the same figure with glorified partsforming in the head.
Where will foot foot go?
Build Ressha, Build Ressha!
Just a suggestion but if you have him Sentinal from Animated would be cool.
Dang it, Sentinal! Why did you steal Astrotrain's vehicle modes.
That... is a really red bot. better color separtion woulda been nice.
Take this guy's head and Mindwipe's body, and you can repaint them into a Beast Wars Optimus Prime, like that one two-pack with him and Megatron as a bat and alligator respectively.
eh seen it it doesn't entirely work
Astrotrain after drinking too much Kool-aid with a Toqger train mode.
The tank mode looks like one of those sci-fi trains
you missed the ports om the side of his shuttle mode.
He also missed, rightfully, the way the feet are supposed to go. While you CAN use the shuttle nose as the feet, and the art depicts it that way, it's designed that you use the train fronts as the feet with the shuttle nose as heels.
Well that way, the leg panels don't close all the way; though the train feet do look closer to his comic design in how they are shaped, and also folding the wings back can allow you to give him shoulder mounted cannons, which again increases his IDW-ness.
tfwiki.net/wiki/File:MegatronOrigin1_Sentinel_Prime.jpg
I wanted titans return Megatron and Optimus the Blitzwing and Octane molds worked great for them.
It's called a battle tank as kids don't like trains as much as they used to
Oh look it's pretool astrotrain prime!
I think I prefer this as Astrotrain. It feels kinda forced to me as sentinel. Neat design though, I like that center piece in the train mode kinda like a mobile fortess command center thingy. Im just gonna pretend this thing is a super sentai robo.
I'll just get Astrotrain I think
Are Titans Return toys still being sold? I can't find these at my local Target.
They just came out this month. Odds are your store just hasn't gotten them in yet.
+Daniel Adkins Thanks for the info. I'm looking to pick one up soon, hopefully.
We need an Astrotrain repaint
tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/7/7f/TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Voyager-Astrotrain.jpg
Man, sucks that your's has poor quality. This was my first Titans Return figure, and mine is just fine, aside from a very loose knee. My panels are fine, so are the gun pegs and peg holes.
"These are great Cybertronians. These are bots that want to see great things for the planet. They try to build them, sort of a radical agenda. It's not a radical agenda, it's called Pax Cybertronia."
-Sentinel Prime
Animated sentinel didn't go bad tj
It is thomas the thank engine convoy
astrotrain *cough* I had something obvious stuck in my throat.
We need a proper reimagining of G1 Sentinel. An Astrotrain repaint isn't good enough!!! Yeah IDW is cool, but this is still "GENERATIONS Titans Return!" Just like "GENERATIONS Thrilling 30" and "GENERATIONS Combiner Wars!"
have you ever read the original Idw cimics they did reimagine sentinel prime in megatron's origin
This is based off IDW Sentinel, wich is an update of G1 Sentinel.
This is definitely gonna be astrotrain later
cool a idw sentinal prime
Animated was a jerk but he never betrayed the Autobots. Sentinel, you've been Tangoed mate. I like this toy and I am excited for the Astrotrain, I will get this guy too
Animated Sentinel was pretty much turning Cybertron into a paranoia filled military dictatorship, so while not betraying the Autobots he was pretty evil.
Animated Sentinel was pretty bad - tried to arrest anyone who questioned him, threw his rank around instead of trying to earn respect, always talked down to Optimus (who was the same goddamn rank), was a complete kissass to Magnus, and was just plain incompetent as a leader.
Yeah Sentinel was pretty bad but at least he didn't betray anyone
go gents the concile whitch is a traitor act to shoot down omega supream who is overcharge with space bidge energy
O hi Astrotrain.
it will probably be turned into Astrotrain someday down the line.
It is. Apparently this is a retool.
It's already been plus this is an obvious retool of astrotrain but sentinel was released first since it would be the first time to get the mold
And it was also because if they released Sentinel after Astrotrain, they wouldn't make as much since nobody would buy him and it's the same mold.
+M. Bison Yeah, that makes sense
Sentinel doesn't always go bad. That's just Dark of the Moon. The original Sentinel only existed to die and never actually did anything after that and Animated Sentinel was just a jerk but not evil.
He went bad in the IDW comics that this toy is based on. And (to a lesser extent) in the Aligned continuity he was responsible for the rise of the caste system that eventually led to the Decepticon uprising. And has Animated continue, I think we would've seen him be even worse. In Season 3 he was already turning Cybertron into a paranoid military state.
***** I forgot about Sentinel being in the Covenant of Primus... which I have hanging on my wall right behind the computer.
Anyway, I thought the toy looked like his War Within appearance where he literally only existed to die. He was killed in the first issue where he then passed the Matrix to Optitronix (Optimus Prime's original name in that comic) and never came back.
Also I said Animated Sentinel was a jerk but he wasn't evil. He was definitely the worst Autobot in the series. He was rude to his own team mates, he hated Optimus, he also hated organic life, but the thing is he hates the Decepticons even more than he hates anything else. I could picture him being similar to Depth Charge or Prime Wheeljack. Maybe have him quit or be kicked out of the Elite Guard but even then would still be on the side of the Autobots. I could never picture him going so bad as to actually change his allegiance and join up with the Decepticons. Even the one time he did work with a Decepticon, it was to hunt down and capture other Decepticons. And I'm pretty sure Sentinel was planning on arresting Lockdown the moment he was no longer useful.
RialVestro nah, sentinel (animated) is WAY to stupid to think that far ahead
Can we just take a minute and acknowledge the fact that this is the first toy of G1 Sentinel Prime after the character has been around for 30 years?
actually its not g1 sentinel prime is IDW sentinel prime
+Jetfire48 ...IDW is G1.
+Daniel Adkins IDW is not g1... its an well known fact like how megatron and galvatron are seperate characters in it plus beast wars characters are in it when they didn't exist until generation 2 ended
+Jetfire48 It's in the Primax universal stream. Primax universes are all G1-based universes. Go on tfwiki.
you rekt him
It literally is a red Astrotrain from titans return
It's not a battle tank or a train, it's a battle train.
How old are you?
Fire Guts Ginrai, Anyone?
*cough cough* build ressha
This is a BOAT, definitely BOAT!
Seems like you forgot to demonstrate that side pylon gimmick.
What side pylon gimmick?
You mean next to the head? He did demonstrate that...
anyone else think he's actually a repaint of astrotrain but they got released backwards?
The term is "pretool", when a mold is designed to be one character but it's released as a different one first. Titans Return Optimus and Megatron were the same way, the molds were meant for Octane and Blitzwing. They release a toy like Sentinel Prime first because collectors are more likely to buy them both, the first time to play with the mold, the second to get the character it was designed for. Doing it the other way, less are going to buy the repaint cause they already have the ideal version of the toy.
horrible train
third.