Yes, Maiden Astraea was good, kind-hearted, and only meant to save. But by becoming an archdemon, the suffering she hoped to liberate the people from only spread in the form of the colorless fog. Remember, sometimes good intentions yield negative outcomes. To save the world, Boletaria, and fellow demon slayers from suffering, Astraea's death is a necessity we cannot avoid.
Eh the animation time is fine. Only reason it takes 'too long' is because they never bothered to improve enemy A.I. They should have put a halt to players abusing how easy it is to do a back stab repeatedly.
0:25 I love the how Bluepoint had Garl not only sit with the corpses, but be lying under them so that he could look like a badass and emerge from the pile of bodies like that.
That kinda changes the tone for me. I played the remake first, and I got definite evil from this guy sleeping under a pile of corpses. Conbined with Astraea telling me there was nothing to pillage or plunder as I was actively plundering the items in the boss room, and I wasn't listening to a single thing they said.
The original song is Astrea’s theme. This new one is Garl’s. This guy edited the music over the video so you can’t even properly see but this song doesn’t start until you approach Garl Vinland & it ends once you kill him. It’s more epic sounding because its the theme of the knight in his last valiant effort to keep his Maiden safe against you. It’s a really interesting and nice twist.
Thank you for pointing that out, a lot of people who haven’t played the game yet seem to haven’t noticed those neat details. I discovered that fight for the first time in the remake and was absolutely blown away by the execution, music and everything; that clearly shows they didn’t « ruin » it like some people say. Sadly I can’t find the two music variations anywhere on YT (the slow, calm one before you approach, and the sad one after you kill Garl).
@@Linkenfant The soundtrack is ruined. The sampled dry soundtrack of the original had more soul compared to this orchestral layers of same instruments drenched in reverb.
@@MasterYoda389 are these jokes? Like i really cant tell becuae it could be possibly for some to think this but i rly cant understand why someone would like the older version more besides nostalgia maybe
Easily the saddest of the bosses in the game and, while not particularly challenging compared to False King Allant, it makes it memorable in it's own right.
It is, because You can appreciate the other side of the coin, the people who really wanted to use the power of the Demon souls to help. But as always the greed of the man can't help but do what they do, and become the monsters they are inside.
@@commanderleo Lol why so mad. The uploader just fixed the audio on their videos, but it had desynced audio for the first few weeks until just a couple of days ago.
That feeling when i finished this ''boss fight'' 8 years ago and now again playing the remake. Like... ''I won, but at what cost?'' The amazing music also helps the sentiment.
It's sad a lot of people just heard the theme without playing the game. It makes way more sense in the context of battle. The "heroic" portion only plays when you're fighting Garl, which makes sense, when the somber portion plays after you defeat him.
Don't get me wrong, this version for the remake is amazing but I feel like the voice acting from Garl Vinland and Astraea aren't as good as they were in the original. The voice actors are still great, but the delivery in the original was a lot better. It sounded like Astraea was on the verge of tears in the original.
I totally agree. Audio-wise the original fight is just perfect, the voice actress for Astraea as you say is on the verge of tears, and the music was just perfection. Now... I don't really like what I hear :/
An interesting thing to note here is the Garl looks like more of a white knight in the original while he rises up from the remains in this version. It is like he awakens from a slumber.
so we're not gonna talk about how they both keep talking at the same time as if the other person weren't there or how Garl keeps talking when he's dropped as if nothing happened?
@sent16 what really grinds my gears is when people applaud devs for one tiny detail (sometimes going as far as to say that they have such an attention to detail) while the obvious in-your-face details are lacking. And staple or not, this lack of polish belongs in AAA games from 10 years back. But for some reason, Soulsborne players seem to ignore this fact and consider this as a staple.
Threre are games like Rdr2 and AC Origins where you can literally see the reflection from a camel or horse's eye. Those are little details not this. This From soft games circlejerk is insane.
@@Dev-nr4dw I mean, aren't reflections kinda done automatically once you set the object to be reflective, though? Don't get me wrong, it's still very neat to think of setting eyes to do that. Also, yeah dialogue rendering isn't that great. In comparison, Drakengard 3 mastered scripting dialogue at precise points of every fight (even completely generic battles had fully pre-scripted, meaningful dialogue) but that came at the expense of the entire game being completely linear and janky AF.
Yup, the original was way better. It had angst and desperation in her. When she says "take your *precious* demon soul" in the original, you can hear the venom in her words. This one sounds lame
@@jackwitty255 the truth is that I am a little disappointed by the tower knight ost, I expected to hear the laughter back. but the good thing is that the ost of the penetrator is similar to that of tower knight only with a small variation which makes it different. Despite this, the remake still seems to me something wonderful
Dude I've been waiting for this one specific fight for the music. Some people knock it for being different, & I understand why. But I absolutely love it.
The motifs of the original theme can be heard but barely. They should have emphasis it. The music in the original was what really set the tone of this bossfight.
Mmm, i think i misunderstood this my apologies, and yup in the making of video the soundtrack sound more clearly, and in the gameplay the ost is outperformed by the sound effects.
"We live humble lives..." So, doesn't that sort of imply that Garl does stuff?? Like, does he do stuff, then when he feels like it, he crawls underneath a pile of corpses and hangs out/sleeps? Or is his humble life just chilling underneath bloody, rotting corpses all day? To each their own, but that's a very interesting humble life ☠️
@@TheRealVaanmaster 100%! I mean the original one is more emotional, as u play u wonder why why are u doing that, plus their voice acting was sooooo much better... uggh..
@Coby yeah true, I mean it doesnt have the same feeling, the music isnt as strong as the original, and the way the actors speak doesnt have the same impact.. idk
@@mhmdbilani What do you mean, not as strong? It has more instruments, it must be stronger! Bigger orchestra is always better, no matter the composition and its use. And the voices are now recorded with higher fidelity and bitrate, which also makes them automatically better. You are getting more of everything, why are you complaining? /sarcasm
Giving NPC's now voices and screams when getting hit makes the fight so much more sad. This battle is the only battle that makes me say: "I wish things were different..."
I know right? I'm used to seeing good graphics in story oriented games with a few mini games. DBH for example, not a Souls game. Bluepoint did heck of a job with this remake, not like I expected any less from such a great developer anyway.
@@SalvageET sony should let them make their own ip...starting to get really bored with exclusive games that are mostly movies like God of War 4 and TLOU 2...
The worst part is, the notes are there, but they went with a new piece of music. To be fair, it isn‘t „bad“ but it‘s a damn shame compared to the original OST. It does kind of baffle me that they changed it but I get why they did it as well. Well, I‘ll go on ahead and listen to the original again now, See ya there (probably)
All they had to do was perform the same music with real high-budget instruments rather than midi and it would be a perfect ost remake but instead they gave every track a drastic tonal shift. I don't know what they were thinking.
@@babyspoot The worst part is how they talk about the necessity of the changes. "The only way we could have done the genius of the original score justice was with a full orchestra. For that we had to change it completely, and we took a lot of inspiration from Bloodborne."
Man This was such a hard boss fight!! It looks amazing now!!! The score the detail back then I was excited now I’m going crazy I bought the game I just gotta wait for Sony to pump out more consoles!!
It's dynamic, it changes depending on the intensity of the fight and switches back to the melancholy part when only Astraea remains, pretty good attempt in my opinion.
Newcomer She will turn into a monster, won't she? Souls veteran: You don't get it, do you? There are two archdemons in this area. Newcomer: Yeah, I know. Garl and Astraea. Souls veteran: *sighs*
No, the Slayer of Demons is nothing like an archdemon. Yes, he is a mute cold blooded executioner, but not an archdemon. Slayer isn't a demon, at least not in the Valley od Defilement. I know you meant it metaphorically, but being a demon, as shown specifically by Astraea, has nothing to do with your deeds, nor your morality.
@@Dev-nr4dw Are you sure? Because someone commented this about Fool's Idol, and 26 people agree with him. "I like her new design mire than the old one. *The new one looks more demonic like* . And her hair is floating everywhere. Love it." That's the thing, Fool's Idol should look graceful and kind, because it was created with the purpose of fooling the prisoners of Latria into sacrificing themselves. If it looks demonic no one is going to fall for it. If people are thinking that Fool's Idol should look demonic, then there's chance that some thought Astraea would be a "wolf in sheep clothing" that reveals their true self in combat, like the suspicious beggar of Bloodborne.
@@Filip_Agrippa by more interpretation of lore you become demone as soon as you start using soul power, basically after your 1st level up, Maiden is transforming you into demon and when you are ready to face archdemon....well, you are clearly an archdemon already. demons in DeS are not just typical demons, its creatures who get power from souls.
I'd never even heard of FromSoft until the Demons Souls Remake. It was hyped up so much as a PS5 launch title I thought I'd give it a go. Now I can see why there is so much hype around the series. I cannot wait until Elden Ring. I think this will be a GOTY contender for sure. There's just so much lore to these games which I love!
@@higglybiggly1174 the game is amazing. This remake moment is complety different from the original whithout the flat and plane music of the original OST.
@@iangratton6062 For Allant it has nothing to do with the VA's age. They just don't use any audio effect or echoing, nothing. Purely the VA so some things sound off compared to the original. Maiden Astraea for example could definitely voice change from getting older but tbh they may have gone for a little bit of a different tone as well
@@ImShyo I think they tried to give Astraea a more holy presence which is why her performance sounds very weird compared to the original. She sounds more like she is pleading while in the original, there was a clear tone of disgust in her voice. Same thing with Garl, who in the original sounded venomous and rough while here he sounds stoic and triumphant (I think the original voice fits his dialogue better). Honestly, I prefer the original, but I like what they did with the fight. The music made it seem more about Garl, who is the real boss in this "fight" and his hopeless struggle in stopping you. As for Allant, I have no idea what the hell happened lol.
Its a remake not a remaster.. you can always get the deluxe edition. They say you can change the ost back to the original if you really like that but wth man.. as much as i love the original i don't really feel like the music is special.
@@thefebo8987 What is the God of war thing? Its just sound different nothing more. You are really exaggerating you probably asked for a remake now you get one and still not satisfy be alteast grateful ffs
Honestly bluepoint should've just recreated the original music instead of trying to put their own spin on it, like how RE2 remake has an option to put on the original ost from the PS1 version, shame.
This fight’s hard for a different reason than the rest. It’s like. You bust into a clinic to assault the sole doctor and have to fight her boyfriend, when both are begging you just to LEAVE. Even if you’re being a good Slayer and You kill her to save the world from the Old One whom she’s empowering with souls… you still killed a genuine saint.
I fucking love how BRUTAL the attacks in this game are. I can't think of any other game where hits have so much impact. The way the screen slightly shakes and how it feels to SMASH this mace on someone is incredible oO
Many people I’ve spoken to think negatively of this, they think the tone and mood have been “utterly destroyed”. I disagree with that, if anything I think this is more emotional. The music starting during the cutscene and then fading out until you approach is a very nice touch.
I still think it's nothing compared to the original. These music tracks have a dark soul and bloodborne feel to it, they're really dont match the sobre tone of Demon's Souls. Also rip Garl new VA
the tracks feel like they belong to the latest entries of the soulsborne series, not here, thats the main issue here, the theme is just way too grand (the choir was the last nail on the coffin for this soundtrack imo)
the new track sounds nice but I remember the original OST being really chilling it completely gave the charm of the strange setting and misunderstanding
They got rid of the long, atmospheric walk before you encounter Garl Vinland? It's like they didn't really get a lot of what made this game and this fight special.
@@MKL874 people keep thinking that somehow the bosses in the remakes are easier, except they kept the original AI intact, I did the same thing to Garland in the original, hell also cheesed him by luring him to the low ceiling wall where he cant really go past it. If you know the boss fights from the original they are gonna play out the same. The only real hard fights were the False King and Lurker, like people seriously need to wake up and realize that original wasnt as hard as they remembered and I played the shit out of the og and I'm sure when I play the remake, it'll be just as "difficult".
The new music convey the desperation and the last stand of vinland to protect maiden.. its about 2 people... in ds1 its only about astrea... its not bad at all in fact its good.. its a fresh take.. do you want the remake to be exactly the same as the old ones except the graphics? The whats the point of remakes then,
Love the improved cutscene and Garl Vinland's voice actor (not sure if he's the same or not) did way better this time around. That mace backstab is brutal too. Music not so great though... I get what they were going for but it makes the fight feel less tragic and more like you're killing the Pope's evil twin or something
Yeah, it's treated too heroically when it's supposed to be an unheroic moment and a shock to the player, making them question if they're doing the right thing. I also prefer the original voice for astraea in how she said "take your *precious* demon soul", the tone was so vindictive and hit you right in the gut lol
I just saw an explanation right above your comment. "Astraea sounds much more angry this time. I won't even regret killing her now xD" Works as intended! Can't have a PS5 launch title make the players feel bad. Maybe a little, but leave enough room for an excuse. "I'm sure they were evil, Garl was sleeping in a pile of corpses after all."
Unpopular opinion: the music still kind of fits. It would fit more if Astraea was more active, but I kind of understand why Bluepoint made the music like this: It's less sad and more just....nihilism inducing. IT's depressing and hopless on a level nothing the original game had. Just sucks any desire to fight out of you as opposed to the grim trudgery the original had. Original: "Let's just finish this." Remake: "Do...Do I really have to do this?!" Also, props to the voice actor. OG Astraea was more petulant and angry and I feel her consigned despair and more subtle hatred of the player is more haunting.
most people don’t understand the process of emotional storytelling through dynamic music. this is exactly what this version is. the original, although still very good, was admittedly repetitive. the music in the remake is honestly much better in my opinion. the way the strings swell when the impact of the fight is at its highest gives me chills
Bruh look at their people 😂 is she really helping her people? LOOK at them, use your eyes. They attack anyone to feed her souls. Fact. Looking at those living conditions, living any longer truly is torture.
@@red2432 Better than doing nothing, at least she was trying to help. She reminds me the Fair Lady, both can't definitely cure their people, but at least tried to ease their pain.
@@Chris-fj4wn you say she didn't do anything for them, when in reality we didn't, at least she tried. Think like this only shows that we are no better than the demons we have killed
@@DarkessSentinel Unless you choose the bad ending, I think we did a pretty good work sending the Old One to slumber. That's way more than what she did
@Joseph Waters really? For me I wish they dropped vocals almost completely. I'm sick of them after DS3 which literally did not have a single song without a choir/vocals in some form
@@ags8507 I completely agree. Ive been saying this since Bloodborne as well but I always get shit on for it. Glad people are finally starting to come around on this one
I don't think it captures the original. I mean you go through the entire area filled with plague monsters and finally you get to the last area. It's a lady begging you to leave. Her knight Garl Vinland doesn't approach unless you do. The people surrounding the area won't attack because they believe she is their savior and only one to care about them. Then the music kicks in which is an eerie but calming tune. You have to continue the game so you fight her knight which asks you to leave as you kill him his last words are how he failed. You don't even have to attack the maiden she just gives up. I know this is what this is but I feel it lacks that original sad but eerie charm the original had.
Its really strange how the backstab is clearly 3 hits, but the damage is all upfront. I wasn't sure if I was seeing things, until Garl vapourised before the player was done smacking him.
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Astraea: Go forth Garl Vinland, may you be unharmed
[proceeds to listen to Garl Vinland be brutally beaten to death for 4 minutes with a blunt weapon]
Lmao
Haha dragon bone crusher go *CLANG*
Astraea: *Witnesses and watches Garl Vinland get beat down and murdered in cold blood*
Also Astraea: You killed him, didn't you?
that's what you get for simping
LOL
Yes, Maiden Astraea was good, kind-hearted, and only meant to save. But by becoming an archdemon, the suffering she hoped to liberate the people from only spread in the form of the colorless fog. Remember, sometimes good intentions yield negative outcomes. To save the world, Boletaria, and fellow demon slayers from suffering, Astraea's death is a necessity we cannot avoid.
Unless the MC gets corrupted by the power of Demons Souls, kills the Maiden in Black in the end and takes on the power of the Old One.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
@@AxelXGabriel best option
its a game dude chill out reddit boi
@@thex45l35 that's literally the point of a narrative, to be read into and explained dumbass
Garl: "WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP STABBING ME IN THE BACK?!"
BFD: "Cuz it's easy... And it does a lotta damage"
Happy souls ❤️
Parrying him isn't much harder
I mean it’s either that or a parry which does more damage but backstabbing is easier
bLoodFaRt97!,and xXR0tt3nSaWsageXx?
God I love happy souls
"You killed him... didn't you?" Lady he died like 2ft away from you
Damn millenials... Always looking at their demon souls and not paying attention!
She's not paying attention to him. She cares about the babies
@@qwertyqwerty-ek7dy Lol
Also heard him being beaten to deatg
Furry spotted
3:25
"Dearest Astraea, I have failed you..."
*A body falls gmod style*
Is the guy of dark souls falling from the tomb of the giants
That shit is kinda hilarious
P P P BEEEEEEEEEEEP
@@TCapButterCup Armor compromised!
Tears falling
That two-handed mace backstab animation is brutal!
Also very long and boring
yeah man its too much lol
It is too long and if only the first hit of three deals damage it kinda ruins intended awesomeness of this moment
The negan treatment.
Eh the animation time is fine. Only reason it takes 'too long' is because they never bothered to improve enemy A.I. They should have put a halt to players abusing how easy it is to do a back stab repeatedly.
0:25 I love the how Bluepoint had Garl not only sit with the corpses, but be lying under them so that he could look like a badass and emerge from the pile of bodies like that.
Garl's lonely and wants a plague infested corpse snuggle.
@@JohanKylander but he got Astrea why not hug her instead...
That kinda changes the tone for me. I played the remake first, and I got definite evil from this guy sleeping under a pile of corpses. Conbined with Astraea telling me there was nothing to pillage or plunder as I was actively plundering the items in the boss room, and I wasn't listening to a single thing they said.
As much as they screwed up, they also made some really good improvements.
@@AsAugustSleepsWhat did they screw up?
The backstab animation for the mace makes this look a lot more morbid than it was originally.
"Go forth, Garl Vinland. May you be unharm."
Slayer of Demons: I'm about to chain backstab this man's whole career
I know right!!!!! This had me weak!
hilarious and original
@@thomasbane0 ok
Snipes astrea
The original song is Astrea’s theme. This new one is Garl’s. This guy edited the music over the video so you can’t even properly see but this song doesn’t start until you approach Garl Vinland & it ends once you kill him. It’s more epic sounding because its the theme of the knight in his last valiant effort to keep his Maiden safe against you. It’s a really interesting and nice twist.
Thank you for pointing that out, a lot of people who haven’t played the game yet seem to haven’t noticed those neat details.
I discovered that fight for the first time in the remake and was absolutely blown away by the execution, music and everything; that clearly shows they didn’t « ruin » it like some people say.
Sadly I can’t find the two music variations anywhere on YT (the slow, calm one before you approach, and the sad one after you kill Garl).
@@Linkenfant The soundtrack is ruined. The sampled dry soundtrack of the original had more soul compared to this orchestral layers of same instruments drenched in reverb.
@@一本のうんち agreed. The original had way more impact and was actually queued properly.
@@MasterYoda389 are these jokes? Like i really cant tell becuae it could be possibly for some to think this but i rly cant understand why someone would like the older version more besides nostalgia maybe
@@mert5896 Nostalgia is a really bad drug
Not gonna lie, How Garl gets up in the cutscene is the exact same way I get up in the morning when I hear my Dogs needing to go to the bathroom...
That really ain't no joke fr
Tsk, y’all need to prioritize sleep more.
The way her dress is soaked in blood and muck. Nice detail.
That detail existed in the original as well
@@sampappas6934 It did but its a lot clearer here due to higher graphical fidelity.
Same with all over Garl's armor and weapons
Yay i cant wait to feel like a terrible person again
he is a simp and she is a demon helper that kills babies and spreads poison so i dont know what r u talking about !!
@@djaoudchihab3144 wtf just, wtf
@@djaoudchihab3144 look up Vatti Vidya to get some context before writing BS
@@SupernaturalDetective Yea he couldve just read the damn wiki. She uses the demon soul to help those suffering in the valley.
@@SupernaturalDetective i just want to tell u dont need to have empathy on demons and evils XD
A badass emerges from a pile of corpses to defend his maiden. **proceeds to get back stabbed multiple times**
He is literally just Havel from DS3 but is slower and does less damage lol
@@futz1lla DO NOT TRASH TALK MY BOI
@@futz1lla this guy came before havel
@@madmatt6454 I'm sure he knows that, what he cant compare someone to another of a different age or time? Does it really matter who came first?
*a simp emerges from a pile of corpses to get his ass kicked
3:25 stop! stop! he's already dead!
Garl's armor is one of the most impressive looking in the game. I love it, and his ludicrous hammer.
Yeah but i love the style not only of Garl but of Eygon (from DS3) and Leeroy (from DS) too
Easily the saddest of the bosses in the game and, while not particularly challenging compared to False King Allant, it makes it memorable in it's own right.
It is, because You can appreciate the other side of the coin, the people who really wanted to use the power of the Demon souls to help. But as always the greed of the man can't help but do what they do, and become the monsters they are inside.
@Luis Martinez whoa
@Luis Martinez what a dumb comment
@Luis Martinez this is probably the dumbest comment I have ever read
@@darkshat3077 This guy tried to argue that dark souls has bad lore, you can't reason with people like this- they know they're wrong.
One of the saddest fights in the Souls Series.
*in video game history
and one of the least well made ones too
@@umukzusgelos4834 the original
sad the remake takes all that emotion away
@@valsione38 Not at all. Take off the nostalgia glasses cupcake.
Bro, you gotta fix the audio, it's not synced up on most of your vids
edit: finally fixed after a few weeks, gracias BFD
@@commanderleo Lol why so mad. The uploader just fixed the audio on their videos, but it had desynced audio for the first few weeks until just a couple of days ago.
@@commanderleo ur fat
@@commanderleo ur fat
Dude have mercy on Garl, literally keep curb stomping him
Lol right🤣
That feeling when i finished this ''boss fight'' 8 years ago and now again playing the remake. Like...
''I won, but at what cost?'' The amazing music also helps the sentiment.
It's sad a lot of people just heard the theme without playing the game. It makes way more sense in the context of battle. The "heroic" portion only plays when you're fighting Garl, which makes sense, when the somber portion plays after you defeat him.
people love to complain, what's new
You have to remember you have to pay 500$ to play this game. So i cannot blame them
@@RainbowSchwan you have to pay 500$ to play every ps5 game sooooooooooooo...
@@gianmarcotruffi1752money is money either way..
Garl sounds...so human when you hit him. Those painful screams. It's so sad.
PS3: "Take your precious demon soul." Proceeds to stab herself.
PS5: "Take your precious demon soul." Spontaneously explodes for no reason
Don't get me wrong, this version for the remake is amazing but I feel like the voice acting from Garl Vinland and Astraea aren't as good as they were in the original. The voice actors are still great, but the delivery in the original was a lot better. It sounded like Astraea was on the verge of tears in the original.
The music is too triumphant too, it doesn't sound as somber as before where it would give you that "oh shit what am I doing" feeling of dread
@@Valleyraven007 it feels anything except triumphant tbh.
I totally agree. Audio-wise the original fight is just perfect, the voice actress for Astraea as you say is on the verge of tears, and the music was just perfection. Now... I don't really like what I hear :/
Everything about this fight seems off. It is completely underwhelming.
@@Nilithic it's the same fight as the original, even the Ai is the same.
An interesting thing to note here is the Garl looks like more of a white knight in the original while he rises up from the remains in this version. It is like he awakens from a slumber.
You gotta love how calm that dude is while he's getting his head bashed in
The sound is a bit off in the beginning, am i right? Maybe you should upload it again...
Erik van de Velde mASSive lag
The fact that Garl shakes his head a little before engaging the player (1:05) is a beautiful detail.
Heh...
Its because how the player moves also the player does with foes
so we're not gonna talk about how they both keep talking at the same time as if the other person weren't there or how Garl keeps talking when he's dropped as if nothing happened?
@sent16 what really grinds my gears is when people applaud devs for one tiny detail (sometimes going as far as to say that they have such an attention to detail) while the obvious in-your-face details are lacking.
And staple or not, this lack of polish belongs in AAA games from 10 years back. But for some reason, Soulsborne players seem to ignore this fact and consider this as a staple.
Threre are games like Rdr2 and AC Origins where you can literally see the reflection from a camel or horse's eye. Those are little details not this.
This From soft games circlejerk is insane.
@@Dev-nr4dw I mean, aren't reflections kinda done automatically once you set the object to be reflective, though? Don't get me wrong, it's still very neat to think of setting eyes to do that.
Also, yeah dialogue rendering isn't that great. In comparison, Drakengard 3 mastered scripting dialogue at precise points of every fight (even completely generic battles had fully pre-scripted, meaningful dialogue) but that came at the expense of the entire game being completely linear and janky AF.
3:27
" Wait Vinland i'll save you!!"
"Oh nevermind"
Continue to die
Not enough seethe in her voice.
Yup, the original was way better. It had angst and desperation in her. When she says "take your *precious* demon soul" in the original, you can hear the venom in her words. This one sounds lame
Garl sounds good at least
how's it feel, seethe... to be a bitshhhhh
@@Walamonga1313 Yeah I totally agree. This one doesn't seem as emotional as the original.
Music is too triumphant too, doesn't give you that sense of "oh shit, what am I doing" like it did before
What did they do to the music ???
I was waiting for the legendary notes to pop off...
Tower Knight's song is totally different. Way less interesting
@@jackwitty255 the truth is that I am a little disappointed by the tower knight ost, I expected to hear the laughter back. but the good thing is that the ost of the penetrator is similar to that of tower knight only with a small variation which makes it different. Despite this, the remake still seems to me something wonderful
What a let down
Now it's generic
@@thefebo8987
Everything in the remake is generic save for whats left of the concept.
The art design has been butchered
The greatest cinematic in any game I’ve played. I felt so much dread and horror watching that it was incredible.
This rage inducing fight is worth it for the awesome music and great armour you get from it.
0:28 when I wake up and move my plushies out of the way
Ah I see, he used the ancient technique of "Dark Souls 1 pvp"
Dude I've been waiting for this one specific fight for the music.
Some people knock it for being different, & I understand why. But I absolutely love it.
They kept the crappy AI, but changed the incredible music that made this boss fight so memorable. Ass backwards I say.
Made by the people who never understood the game very well guess.
@@GLDarknight oh stfu.
@@GLDarknight your head is extremely up your own ass, isn’t it?
My god... This music is fucking amazing
I do wish they kept the subtitle font of the original. The remake font is too slick. The dead bodies and blood stand out more in this version.
i dont know about you but i feel like garl has a lot more emotion behind his voice
I also thought the same, a pity that astraea does not have the same impact on his voice
Respect for Garl. He isn't maidenless.
The motifs of the original theme can be heard but barely. They should have emphasis it. The music in the original was what really set the tone of this bossfight.
they butchered the ost, in the trailer of the making of the ost sounded awesome, what happened?? huge let down
Yh it was better there
This one sounds good but the original has feelings, you nearly can feel the sorrow in her voice in the original.
It sounds exactly the same as the making video.
Mmm, i think i misunderstood this my apologies, and yup in the making of video the soundtrack sound more clearly, and in the gameplay the ost is outperformed by the sound effects.
@@p.j.darkinsane4986 the original were just a bunch of notes in a constant loop made with one instrument, this has a lot more feel In my opinion.
"We live humble lives..." So, doesn't that sort of imply that Garl does stuff?? Like, does he do stuff, then when he feels like it, he crawls underneath a pile of corpses and hangs out/sleeps? Or is his humble life just chilling underneath bloody, rotting corpses all day? To each their own, but that's a very interesting humble life ☠️
Am I the only one who prefers the original voice actors and music for this boss fight? 😶
Me too, expecially with the music, it starts a little too late and the volume is pretty low. It just doesn't hit like the original
Me too..
@@TheRealVaanmaster 100%! I mean the original one is more emotional, as u play u wonder why why are u doing that, plus their voice acting was sooooo much better... uggh..
@Coby yeah true, I mean it doesnt have the same feeling, the music isnt as strong as the original, and the way the actors speak doesnt have the same impact.. idk
@@mhmdbilani What do you mean, not as strong? It has more instruments, it must be stronger! Bigger orchestra is always better, no matter the composition and its use. And the voices are now recorded with higher fidelity and bitrate, which also makes them automatically better. You are getting more of everything, why are you complaining?
/sarcasm
Her name is exactly how an Aussie will tell you where their products are locally made. 😅
You gotta admit, Garl taking the corpses off his body as he gets up is badass
Giving NPC's now voices and screams when getting hit makes the fight so much more sad.
This battle is the only battle that makes me say: "I wish things were different..."
I still can't believe how good the visuals are...maybe best I have ever seen
I know right? I'm used to seeing good graphics in story oriented games with a few mini games. DBH for example, not a Souls game. Bluepoint did heck of a job with this remake, not like I expected any less from such a great developer anyway.
@@SalvageET sony should let them make their own ip...starting to get really bored with exclusive games that are mostly movies like God of War 4 and TLOU 2...
the sound is better the orginal and the dialog better as well
I know Bluepoint meant good when they wanted to keep the game as pure as possible but they should of done something about the abusing the backstabs
original fight is way more emotional and better
How?
@@Adam-TheLiftedKing voice acting, music, everything. This is just disappointing.
@@alulim4968 The music is the MOST disappointing. Just terrible, use the original theme.
But I hope we don’t get blinded by nostalgia
@@JoseRivera-rl3qv Nah, a lot of the artistic changes are pretty weird. They made a tons of small things worse imo.
That Vinland Armour set is my favourite of all the souls series.
For me Havel is best looking armor and Garl Armor is second, and Penetrator armor is third
Man I'm not a crybaby, but i hope the add a feature to let us choose between the OG OST and the Remake
why did they put this generic OST, damn bro
The worst part is, the notes are there, but they went with a new piece of music. To be fair, it isn‘t „bad“ but it‘s a damn shame compared to the original OST. It does kind of baffle me that they changed it but I get why they did it as well.
Well, I‘ll go on ahead and listen to the original again now, See ya there (probably)
All they had to do was perform the same music with real high-budget instruments rather than midi and it would be a perfect ost remake but instead they gave every track a drastic tonal shift. I don't know what they were thinking.
@@babyspoot The worst part is how they talk about the necessity of the changes. "The only way we could have done the genius of the original score justice was with a full orchestra. For that we had to change it completely, and we took a lot of inspiration from Bloodborne."
Okay.....Astraea is now my new lockscreen wallpaper.....and keeping my ringtone to the original OST. 😁
Man This was such a hard boss fight!! It looks amazing now!!! The score the detail back then I was excited now I’m going crazy I bought the game I just gotta wait for Sony to pump out more consoles!!
Imagine getting rid of the best boss theme in the game. Shameful.
They fucked it. Missed the point on a load of levels.
the whole remake soundtrack is fucking garbage
It's dynamic, it changes depending on the intensity of the fight and switches back to the melancholy part when only Astraea remains, pretty good attempt in my opinion.
Imagine whining about an amazing remake over a theme, when the original still exists. Fucking children.
@@HeceduHM don't bother. Purists are easily the most annoying people when it comes to stuff like this
Newcomer She will turn into a monster, won't she?
Souls veteran: You don't get it, do you? There are two archdemons in this area.
Newcomer: Yeah, I know. Garl and Astraea.
Souls veteran: *sighs*
No, the Slayer of Demons is nothing like an archdemon. Yes, he is a mute cold blooded executioner, but not an archdemon. Slayer isn't a demon, at least not in the Valley od Defilement. I know you meant it metaphorically, but being a demon, as shown specifically by Astraea, has nothing to do with your deeds, nor your morality.
bro you just posted cringe. You don't have to be a veteran to understand the meaning of this boss fight.
@@Dev-nr4dw Are you sure? Because someone commented this about Fool's Idol, and 26 people agree with him.
"I like her new design mire than the old one. *The new one looks more demonic like* . And her hair is floating everywhere. Love it."
That's the thing, Fool's Idol should look graceful and kind, because it was created with the purpose of fooling the prisoners of Latria into sacrificing themselves. If it looks demonic no one is going to fall for it.
If people are thinking that Fool's Idol should look demonic, then there's chance that some thought Astraea would be a "wolf in sheep clothing" that reveals their true self in combat, like the suspicious beggar of Bloodborne.
@@Filip_Agrippa by more interpretation of lore you become demone as soon as you start using soul power, basically after your 1st level up, Maiden is transforming you into demon and when you are ready to face archdemon....well, you are clearly an archdemon already. demons in DeS are not just typical demons, its creatures who get power from souls.
The messed up the song, they should let the tingle sound be as it was in original, more sorrow to it
I didnt play the original but I like the song here. Sounds holy and emotional to me
The song is meant for Garl Vinland.
That's it. I need original music option. This is nice and all but nothing beats the original.
I'd never even heard of FromSoft until the Demons Souls Remake. It was hyped up so much as a PS5 launch title I thought I'd give it a go. Now I can see why there is so much hype around the series. I cannot wait until Elden Ring. I think this will be a GOTY contender for sure. There's just so much lore to these games which I love!
So how's the ring treating you
Wtf they did to the music and the voices?? This fight is entirely about what Astraea tell you and the music not the figth itself and they destroyit.
Then. Don't. Play. It
@@higglybiggly1174 thats why he is watching it instead of playing it.
@@higglybiggly1174 the game is amazing. This remake moment is complety different from the original whithout the flat and plane music of the original OST.
Jesus christ you people are unbearable.
1:10 Me when I see a giant huntsman spider
horrendous AI, at least they've fixed this part.. before Garl hit you like a truck, now it's meh...
The AI hasn't been touched from the OG
It’s original code from the og so blame fromsoft for that
And it's costing us $70. I will wait until it get cheaper. I have already played the game on ps3 so no problem for me
He does the same damage,it's just that this guy is way over leveled and is in his first playthrough
I do NOT remember this fight being this sad back on the ps3 version😭😭I legit felt sad fighting garl and maiden astraea
My favorite Fight! 😓💔
Why would they change the voice performances? They’re worse now.
lmao have you seen where allant talks after you defeat his ghost demon? its pathetic now
Same people. Its just 11 years apart. Voices change.
@@iangratton6062 they didn’t need to re-record them
@@iangratton6062 For Allant it has nothing to do with the VA's age. They just don't use any audio effect or echoing, nothing. Purely the VA so some things sound off compared to the original. Maiden Astraea for example could definitely voice change from getting older but tbh they may have gone for a little bit of a different tone as well
@@ImShyo I think they tried to give Astraea a more holy presence which is why her performance sounds very weird compared to the original. She sounds more like she is pleading while in the original, there was a clear tone of disgust in her voice. Same thing with Garl, who in the original sounded venomous and rough while here he sounds stoic and triumphant (I think the original voice fits his dialogue better). Honestly, I prefer the original, but I like what they did with the fight. The music made it seem more about Garl, who is the real boss in this "fight" and his hopeless struggle in stopping you. As for Allant, I have no idea what the hell happened lol.
Why they didn't use the old ost😑
Now they have generic God of War music yeah
Im more concerned with the voices. And goddamn that HUD is gay as fuck! Just look at the original. This one has no style
Because it wasn't EPIXXXX, the general game lacks the old charm
Its a remake not a remaster.. you can always get the deluxe edition. They say you can change the ost back to the original if you really like that but wth man.. as much as i love the original i don't really feel like the music is special.
@@thefebo8987 What is the God of war thing? Its just sound different nothing more. You are really exaggerating you probably asked for a remake now you get one and still not satisfy be alteast grateful ffs
Maiden Astraea = Garl’s favorite egirl
Garl Simpland = 5 year tier 3 subscriber
Player = Viewer in chat who says “show bob”
…what?
Honestly bluepoint should've just recreated the original music instead of trying to put their own spin on it, like how RE2 remake has an option to put on the original ost from the PS1 version, shame.
This fight’s hard for a different reason than the rest. It’s like. You bust into a clinic to assault the sole doctor and have to fight her boyfriend, when both are begging you just to LEAVE.
Even if you’re being a good Slayer and You kill her to save the world from the Old One whom she’s empowering with souls… you still killed a genuine saint.
I fucking love how BRUTAL the attacks in this game are. I can't think of any other game where hits have so much impact. The way the screen slightly shakes and how it feels to SMASH this mace on someone is incredible oO
That backstab beat down really puts into perspective what they are portraying character as.
LETS GO BABY WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!
Many people I’ve spoken to think negatively of this, they think the tone and mood have been “utterly destroyed”. I disagree with that, if anything I think this is more emotional. The music starting during the cutscene and then fading out until you approach is a very nice touch.
i just really dont like how you can basically backstab chain garl vinland
I still think it's nothing compared to the original. These music tracks have a dark soul and bloodborne feel to it, they're really dont match the sobre tone of Demon's Souls. Also rip Garl new VA
@@Crabo99 I agree partially. some of these tracks sound unnecessarily epic compared to what they were before
the tracks feel like they belong to the latest entries of the soulsborne series, not here, thats the main issue here, the theme is just way too grand (the choir was the last nail on the coffin for this soundtrack imo)
@@ags8507 and lets not talk about some of the nee enemy designs
the new track sounds nice but I remember the original OST being really chilling it completely gave the charm of the strange setting and misunderstanding
They got rid of the long, atmospheric walk before you encounter Garl Vinland? It's like they didn't really get a lot of what made this game and this fight special.
And the battle is easier than the original smh
This part in the original still haunts me lol
It was such a twist on the morality in the game, where you went "oh shit, what am I doing"
@@MKL874 people keep thinking that somehow the bosses in the remakes are easier, except they kept the original AI intact, I did the same thing to Garland in the original, hell also cheesed him by luring him to the low ceiling wall where he cant really go past it. If you know the boss fights from the original they are gonna play out the same. The only real hard fights were the False King and Lurker, like people seriously need to wake up and realize that original wasnt as hard as they remembered and I played the shit out of the og and I'm sure when I play the remake, it'll be just as "difficult".
the game has no creative direction whatsoever, blue point clearly doesnt know what made the original game better
@@valsione38 like what? What do you find wrong with the remake
As much as i adore the remake, this fights atmosphere & music was MUCH better in the original. What a letdown.
The new music convey the desperation and the last stand of vinland to protect maiden.. its about 2 people... in ds1 its only about astrea... its not bad at all in fact its good.. its a fresh take.. do you want the remake to be exactly the same as the old ones except the graphics? The whats the point of remakes then,
Yeah what a shame.
Why die they change the FK music such a stupid decision.
The music is far superior in the remake, nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
The original's music is WAAAYYY better
Me after the 5th backstab and watching Garl get smashed into pulp: STOP HE'S ALREADY DEAD!
Daaaaayum lol
And just like that the ds1 backstab chain was born..
Love the improved cutscene and Garl Vinland's voice actor (not sure if he's the same or not) did way better this time around. That mace backstab is brutal too. Music not so great though... I get what they were going for but it makes the fight feel less tragic and more like you're killing the Pope's evil twin or something
Yeah, it's treated too heroically when it's supposed to be an unheroic moment and a shock to the player, making them question if they're doing the right thing. I also prefer the original voice for astraea in how she said "take your *precious* demon soul", the tone was so vindictive and hit you right in the gut lol
Someone should put the original voice acting over these visuals, I want to feel the same dread and conflict I felt all those years ago.
I liked his old voice better
I just saw an explanation right above your comment. "Astraea sounds much more angry this time. I won't even regret killing her now xD"
Works as intended! Can't have a PS5 launch title make the players feel bad. Maybe a little, but leave enough room for an excuse. "I'm sure they were evil, Garl was sleeping in a pile of corpses after all."
Unpopular opinion: the music still kind of fits. It would fit more if Astraea was more active, but I kind of understand why Bluepoint made the music like this: It's less sad and more just....nihilism inducing. IT's depressing and hopless on a level nothing the original game had. Just sucks any desire to fight out of you as opposed to the grim trudgery the original had.
Original: "Let's just finish this."
Remake: "Do...Do I really have to do this?!"
Also, props to the voice actor. OG Astraea was more petulant and angry and I feel her consigned despair and more subtle hatred of the player is more haunting.
No its just a generic epic Soundtrack that I heard a Million times now in other forms.
The old Soundtrack was unique, sad and perfect.
most people don’t understand the process of emotional storytelling through dynamic music. this is exactly what this version is. the original, although still very good, was admittedly repetitive. the music in the remake is honestly much better in my opinion. the way the strings swell when the impact of the fight is at its highest gives me chills
She remains the one that shows us, we are not the perfect Hero we imagine...
Bruh look at their people 😂 is she really helping her people? LOOK at them, use your eyes. They attack anyone to feed her souls. Fact. Looking at those living conditions, living any longer truly is torture.
@@red2432 Better than doing nothing, at least she was trying to help. She reminds me the Fair Lady, both can't definitely cure their people, but at least tried to ease their pain.
I felt better after killing this filthy bitch. People praise her but she's doing nothing to help these creatures.
@@Chris-fj4wn you say she didn't do anything for them, when in reality we didn't, at least she tried.
Think like this only shows that we are no better than the demons we have killed
@@DarkessSentinel Unless you choose the bad ending, I think we did a pretty good work sending the Old One to slumber. That's way more than what she did
That backstab loop is hilarious dude can’t even get a word in
Love the intro to this boss fight, what a game. Just beat her today
I just love this is amazing song when i'm fighting for all souls. (In not remade Demon Souls)
god i want to love this so much but the new song completely ruins the experience for me..
@Joseph Waters really? For me I wish they dropped vocals almost completely. I'm sick of them after DS3 which literally did not have a single song without a choir/vocals in some form
@@mothermushroom_ the sickness started in bloodborne im afraid (it still had some great soundtracks without vocals tho, like the wet nurse)
@@ags8507 I completely agree. Ive been saying this since Bloodborne as well but I always get shit on for it. Glad people are finally starting to come around on this one
@@mothermushroom_ Keep crying my guy. I could use more salt for my popcorn.🍿
Foreals
She looks so innocent when she raises Garl
I don't think it captures the original. I mean you go through the entire area filled with plague monsters and finally you get to the last area. It's a lady begging you to leave. Her knight Garl Vinland doesn't approach unless you do. The people surrounding the area won't attack because they believe she is their savior and only one to care about them. Then the music kicks in which is an eerie but calming tune. You have to continue the game so you fight her knight which asks you to leave as you kill him his last words are how he failed. You don't even have to attack the maiden she just gives up. I know this is what this is but I feel it lacks that original sad but eerie charm the original had.
Its really strange how the backstab is clearly 3 hits, but the damage is all upfront. I wasn't sure if I was seeing things, until Garl vapourised before the player was done smacking him.
Slayer of Demon is mad for sure
Эх, это именно тот босс файт на изменение которого я рассчитывал больше всего.
That Backstab is like what you see in Serial Killer Movies
3:52 Peter Griffin: eeh eeeh She said it! She said it!!
There is something about nuns,priestess, sisters, or other holy females, that when they are all bloody or doing something evil, is just so......nice
Worst part of this remake is that they kept the original AI and attacks making everything easy beyond belief.
Seriously. Wtf is the point of a big budget remake if the old, janky AI is the one part you leave untouched?