Glad to hear I did a decent job at cleaning it up for you! Wanted to say hi when you came to pick it up but I wasn't around at the moment you showed up :(
Good video. 6 years ago I had a Pre Purchase Inspection completed on a high mileage 2006 Maserati GranSport. It had 60,000 miles at that time. The Maserati Tech who completed the inspection told me that cars driven frequently and have a little higher mileage are, in general, more reliable as opposed cars that sit unused for weeks or months at a time. Now my Maserati has well over 100,000 miles and relatively reliable….not as reliable as an Asian car, but about as reliable as a mid 2000,s Mercedes or BMW. In summary, if you have above average mechanical skills and you accept the occasional repair AND if you buy near the bottom of the depreciation curve, an Old Maserati is a great value!
@@trevey16 I cannot answer that question without knowing the full details of the car: which model? Overall condition? Status of Pre-Purchase Inspection?
@@trevey16 it’s a steal for the Maserati dealership or exotic car mechanic who will be working on your car, charging you Ferrari prices on a very non-Ferrari car.
I have the 2014 Granturismo, and the car has been a dream for the last 3 years. These cars have to be DRIVEN on a regular basis. Drive mine daily, love that I don't see one at every red light like C8's, Chargers, Camaro's, and Mustangs...LOL! Replaced my radio and climate control with the Aucar touch screen setup, love it!
The stupidity of having your "entertainment and navigation" system tied into your vehicle's vitals is just mind blowing. How the hell was this even approved by the NHTA or other alphabet agency. I work in aviation and the airplanes' engines and system STILL work even if the navigation systems are offline or removed, and entertainment is rarely tied into anything more than the main electrical system for power.
It always astounds me how absolutely stupid car manufacturers can be. There is NO reason thatthis car in particular can't be as reliable and cheap to maintain as say a Lexus ls460. How? HIRE A TOYOTA/Lexus engineer! And source ALL the ancillary parts (window motors, a/c sytems, etc.) From manufacturers that make QUALITY CHEAP UNITS. Why should a window motor/regulator cost 1, 500 dollars? Especially if it's failed after only 20, 000 miles? This car could STILL be sold for stupid money, the brand would skyrocket in approval ratings, AND tge bottom line would be raised by at least 40 percent. Can you imagine having a car that looks like this that is capable of 400 to 500, 000 miles and a yearly maintenance cost of 800 to 1, 500 dollars?
@@sjm5482 as someone who has worked in the automotive industry at the “designing new vehicles” part of the business, I can absolutely guarantee this is the case. 1. Designers create an initial design based on a set of criteria (which can include packaging, reuse of components, as well as aesthetic and market considerations, etc) 2. Engineers figure out how to make the design into a working vehicle. 3. Accountants, “project management” (those who agree the impossible deadlines) and legal teams throw in more and more limitations or new requirements that compromise both engineering and design until deadline arrives. 4. Car goes to production.
Maserati Car Problems featuring Casey Putsch Step 1: Have a husband who used to work on Ferraris. Step 2: Have a kick ass deal Step 3: Have bad influence friends like Ed Bolian to persuade you to buy the things
The history of Maserati is long and varied, with a number of owners including FIAT and Ferrari, so the engineering is most certainly Ferrari derived. In fact, the Maserati factory was modernised when it was put under full ownership by Ferrari in 1999, even though Ferrari had owned a 50% stake since 1997. In 2005 Ferrari sold a large percentage back to FIAT and FIAT set about reorganising both Maserati and Alfa Romeo into a “group” using Ferrari engineers to help in developing cars for both brands, which now included Abarth, and setting up their R&D departments. FCA sold their stake in Ferrari in 2014, but many Ferrari engineers remain in the FCA group and work on both Alfa and Maserati models. To say this isn’t a bargain Ferrari when the Ferrari California uses nearly the same underpinnings is not correct. Compared to the price of a Ferrari, these are bargains. Unfortunately, unless you get a 2018 or 2019, you have very old school tech in the car and the radio unit is dreadfully antiquated. Then again, for the sound you get and the beautiful Italian leather and Ferrari engineering, it’s still a bargain if you like to drive something different. They are great to drive.
former Maserati owner here-never again. A joy to drive-when nothing goes wrong-which unfortunately, was rare. Loved the sound; despised the incredible depreciation.
I believe you! If you daily drive an Italian car, you are brave and wealthy, or you got rocks in your head. It must be expensive even if you only drive it on Sundays!
Something that I have learned in my old age is I have the knowledge but no longer have the ability or the patience. So a lot of times it’s easier to take it to somebody with the skills and knowledge that you trust.
My good friend bought a Maserati convertible in 2009 and still has it, loves it, and never had any problems with it. Then in 2014 he added a Maserati Quatraporte (sedan). Same result, no issues, loves it, and still drives it. Two years ago he acquired a new Porsche sedan. The Maserati is much roomier and more comfortable.
I have a 2011 Quattroporte S, have owned since 2015, driven over 85000 miles, and it has been no problem at all to own. Reliable, fun, and that radio is no better or worse than what any other brand comes with OTHER than my Tesla, whose display is the best I have ever seen and updates regularly (as they should). Love the white/red, now drive it, Maserati's should be driven.
@@3000gtDentist I have had my Q a long time, as I said, and maintenance has been not expensive or excessive. Last year I did spend $6K for a shop to replace worm parts of the front suspension, fix the window lift on drivers side, and a range of other little widgets; but I drive this car, any car would need some maintenance other than oil changes and batteries. I do nothing myself, I make more money doing what I do best and hire people who are better than I at auto-mechanics; I do not make my own shoes either, I am funny that way.
@@SolvieCapital appreciated, that's what i needed to hear. I keep hearing 20k new motor 6k for brakes...thanks! Do you bring it to the dealer or an independent shop (that works on maserati's?)
@@3000gtDentist Yeah I agree the "nightmare" hype is usually over hyped. I've owned a 2012 QP for about a year and haven't had any huge issues with it(crossing my fingers)I'm budgeting about 5k a year for maintaining it. Love the car and I get more comments from strangers than when I had a beautiful black SL500. Its a beautiful looking/sounding car, although I'm thinking of upgrading to one of these, albeit newer(2013-15) Oh and I paid 24,500 for a 90k car
@@3000gtDentist sorry, I missed your note. I take the Maserati to an independent shop who works on all kinds of Euro imports. Dealer is too far away and probably expensive, my local shop is like the Car Wizard, reasonable and realistic.
Searching for a used Gran Turismo, I found that rarely do you find one of these cars from a reputable dealer. Almost all of them have had 3, 4 or 5 owners which tells me people buy them, and can't wait to dump them. Currently, prices are inflated on these cars.
Going to pick mine up at the Maserati dealership tomorrow. 08 Granturismo with 25k miles. I bought it with 14k and it;s been dependable and very nice. Since Maserati didn't have any service records my cost as follows. $3,500 for the basic maintenance. The climate control on the driver side works but came loose. $650, Door was rattling on the driver side and didn't close as tight as the passenger side. $450. They wanted to replace the tire sensors on for $1,200. I can deal with the light on..LOL
Gran Turismo is on my short bucket list. Truly beautiful inside and out. Congratulations on your wife’s gorgeous car. Love the red interior. Someday a black Maserati with a red interior
....picked up a 2011 GTS 5 years ago and it has been perfect since day one. One not of caution though is budget for a full Aucar digital instrument panel upgrade (about 4k) because the sticky button issue will make you sick sooner or later. Otherwise ...one of the most beautiful cars ever designed and heard.
Those year models don't have the Chrysler interior parts right? If anything Chrysler is in a vehicle. There's nothing true pure luxury or performance about it.
You need to get the head unit from AUCAR that has a CAMBUS controller that lets you set all of the factory car functions and steering wheel functions as did your factory head unit. And you can get rid of your head unit from the trunk.
All new cars including cheap and simple Mustangs run all their systems using CAN BUS....I was dealing with a dead head unit after my battery voltage went extremely low and I learn how your OBD / PCM / TCM /AC / Radio / Amplifiers / SRS (air bags) / etc, etc are all on Hi speed or LOW speed CAN and every single module has a software code specific to your VIN. So with some nice Internet software you can flash and over write software and check communication. I assume Maserati has something similar to have all their systems communicating, I think it's standard to most cars. Now, is there any generic software out there than mortals can download to work on Maserati and do your own troubleshooting? I bet there is!! I heard that AUCAR unit is the best way to avoid messing with any communication in these cars.
So the moral of the story is, if you buy a Maser make sure the previous owner(s) didn’t change the radio, or anything else. Everything needs to be as it left the factory.
Its a nice car , plush interior(woman love interiors) great motor ,it's those electrical/computer gremlins that get a little scary , however you got it cheap enough to fix all that and it's also a lot of car for your money
I’ve had my GranSport since 2006…like any car, if you maintain and drive them you shouldn’t have any problems….deferred maintenance is also another reason. Drive the car, maintain it and find a good independent mechanic and you should be fine. The problem is is that these cars are super cheap to get because of maintenance…then, they end up in the hands of people who can afford to buy it but can’t afford to maintain it. I’ll take my normally aspirated 420 horsepower (after exhaust mods) any day over the new generation of V6 turbo cars. New cars today are boring and dull.1
So the lesson from this story is not to remove your Maserati's factory radio. ;) If I do get one of these, I'll just add an aftermarket interface for my phone integration and adding a camera, and there are other ways to improve sound quality of factory head units without replacing them.
Thanks for making that video. I'm pretty sure a lot of other channels out there would have stayed quiet instead of reporting on the experience, both with the car and dealership. I also agree with you, that on certain cars, you can peak at the issue, but if you don't have access to the tools, developing a relationship with your dealership instead of making things worst is the way to go. You also sometimes get a free wash out of it.
Thanks for the comment on the Viper and the accessibility of the engine for repairs. Im getting close to buying one :) The quick release on the negative battery terminal is a very smart idea.
I have one in Rosso Mondial with red interior and it’s been a fantastic car for us. Very easy to work on for any decent mechanic. Oil changes, filters, and brakes are super easy. I don’t care about my nav unit because I usually never have it on anyways and listen to the engine. I’m really interested to hear what your X pipe does. I’ve been hesitant because I don’t want it to sound like my Mustang (which has full exhaust and is loud).
Yeah I agree the "nightmare" hype is usually over hyped. I've owned a 2012 QP for about a year and haven't had any huge issues with it(crossing my fingers) Love the car and I get more comments from strangers than when I had a beautiful black SL500. Its a beautiful looking/sounding car, although I'm thinking of upgrading to one of these, albeit newer(2013-15)
What many people do not realise is any car built before 2005 electronic items are just plug and play. However post 2005 all electronic items in a motor vehicle relate to that vehicles chassis number and you cannot just replace one item with another. It requires someone who knows what they are doing, with a lap top to reprogram the cars computer.
Casey, I saw Doug Demuro's video about the Volkswagen XL-1 (which I'd never heard of before) and the concept sounds very similar to your Omega car! The main difference in my opinion is that the Omega car is genuinely pretty, while the XL-1 looks like someone stepped on a Prius.
These kinds of problems are why I got rid of my BMW 7 series and never looked back. Lovely car to drive, but the combination of the stereo glitching out (and trying to find someone who understood the 12 speaker OEM system), any wheel and tire combination OTHER than stock causing a vibration and ultimately the heater core leaking at 100k miles made me say "I'm OUT".
I got a 2013 GranTurismo 2 months ago, 14k miles on it. Just an oil and coolant change (DIY) it's been solid for 2.5k miles, knock on wood. I wash it and meguiars ceramic detail it every week, fun to drive daily. I think it got repo'd from the previous owner cause it had some odd GPS tracker pamphlet with it. Radio hasn't been modified thank goodness.
@@k.matthews1158 30k miles now everything’s solid. DIY’d the major service at 25k. Minor electrical gremlins like the seat buttons getting wet by rain last week. Seat heater went ballistic and it was resolved by some canned air duster. Also had an O2 sensor code again caused by rain. Put some electrical grease on the o2 sensor connectors and it’s gone. Got 4 tires also which were around 1600$
Thank you for the info about the radio, I was wanting to get a used maserati and mod minor aspects such as that, but now I know I can't just ditch it. thanks!
Just a handful of Granturismos came to the US with the F1 transmission. They were not certified by the EPA so shipments of cars with the F1 transmission were quickly stopped. It had nothing to do with the car being a sport model.
I have one of these cars in red. It's just an awesome car with fantastic looks. I am happy the new 2023 looks almost the same. I'll never sell it. Nice video.
The Sport has the standard ZF Auto just like the base 4.2 you have. They had an option in the earlier models for the MC shift that is the manual auto with the pain in the butt clutch you spoke of. The 07 and older Maserati QP and Gran Sports all had that horrible old style manual auto as well. The ZF you have in yours is the most common for the GT Base and Sport. It's actually difficult to find an MC shift model in the GT. Good video
Brake job was $6K?? What type of brakes? I just did 4 pads, machined all 4 rotors, and flushed the fluid on my 360 Modena for a hair over $1200. If I'd replaced the rotors, that'd be another $4K for the rotors. That's still under $6K though.
Threes things, the car looks much better without a sunroof, nothing beats a conventional auto box and yes, $1500 well spent at the dealership for exactly the reasons you stated, win win, you got the results without incurring any damage to your Masa as a consequence. I hope your wife gets lots of pleasure out of owning it.
Great video Casey! While we are on the subject of cheap exotics, I recently did something stupid and bought a broken 2009 DB9 convertible for my wife (and I). I'm either a genius, or it's a very expensive mistake. I can't wait to go on an exotic run with my DB9 for the price of a civic :D
It's very stupid that any other system goes through the *stereo.* But other than that it seems a very lovable car. No proper stick shift reduces the appeal, I suppose, but if the automatic paddles do what they should, OK. (I think for that genre I might look into an F-type Jag with the stick and nice-sounding V6, so pretty, but that's pretty too. :) (I'd prefer saddle-brown inside to red, but it looks a lot nicer than all those black and dark grey ones I see. That hides those lines.)
My girlfriend had a 2001 cambiocorsa coupe we got at the bottom $ and drove it until it needed a new clutch, as you said avoid those. We didn’t loose much money and it was so much fun to drive, she didn’t even start unless MY little fingers wiggling the battery terminals in the trunk. It was personalized like that.
I had a similar problem with a 2015 jeep cherokee limited. I changed the stock radio exchanged for a navigation one of same year. All hell broke loose. The dealer charged me $1500 plus to buy a new stock radio that it was built with, to get the car to clear codes and drive. Then I went ahead and changed the radio the 2nd time with navigation, and it worked without freaking out. Something about can bus and same wires used through out the car sharing the same harness crap.... Italian? maybe? 2015 solentis owns then then and now. Interesting.
Maintain the Maserati battery , if it's 65,75,85 percent good you should connect a battery maintainer often so your car and electronics don't give you dashboard lights and it's got lots of lights.
Hi I plan on getting this car in the future but plan to let it sit for two weeks at a time. Should I be concerned with the battery holding charge for that long? Thanks
I hate how expensive car companies always refresh the exterior aesthetics but leave the old and horrible looking interior dashboard. One reason I didnt go for this car was the interior, so old and boring looking
My 2011 is an awesome car and had no problems at all. You mess around with tech you need to know exactly what your doing. Especially aftermarket stuff. I learned my trade with BMW up to Master technician and i repair my Maserati no matter what is wrong with it.
This is an automotive channel with 150K subs +. Nice size channel. You're clearly an expert. So I don't get how a laymen like me knew immediately that you just can't swap the radio out of that car without removing a significant portion of its brain at the same time. I mean that respectfully as possible---wasn't it obvious?
The radio in a modern car with can bus Eletrical system is a lot like the Detroit Police department looks like police department until u work there and see all the crazy back door deals happening then u dig deeper and can't believe what u find
interesting that you just didnt find a can bus module for that radio you have in the dash now. I just installed a apple carplay/android auto touchscreen unit for the hvac and infotainment that came with a can bus communicator. works great.
Great to see some good coming back to someone that puts a lot of good into the world, good karma mate looking forward to more videos on both the new cars, good stuff mate. ;)
My ultimate favorite car is the mercedes AMG GT. I just like the long bonnet and the small driver‘s cabin at the end of the car. Currently at University, but I guess such cars are for the really rich guys, unfortunately.
Maintanance by the book , no exiding 3000 rpm while the engine is cold , keep the fluids max . Pretty much chance that you get a cheap Ferrari . Neglect it , race it while still cold , to low levels of fluid , and you get a nightmare . So buy a car witch history you know .
$1500.00? Ouch! But I do get it. When you get into cars at this price point you have to be prepared to pay a lot for repair parts and the shop rates of highly qualified technicians that are familiar with them. The sheer level of needless complexity they seem to build into them is mind blowing. It's not like someone really good with their own cars can't fix anything. But with the specialized tools you need for some jobs? Plus practically needing to be an electronics engineer to figure out what a warning light on the dash really means on these rolling gas burning computers. All that being said I really do love the wife's car. I could see myself being very happy if I was to own one like it. Can't wait to see what new wheels you picked out and hear the exhaust after the upgrade!
so lucky, my dad has a maserati granturismo for 70k (though it is a limited edition of 400 cars and 2017 and a mc which is more powerful with 17k miles). Thats a great deal.
dealerships sale cars most do not fix in a nice way stealerships that what a service manual is for and if that ant viable then car is most likely a pile..i like the fact it looks like a ford chevy under hood not a mess of silliness .i like it a 6 speed manual swap be great
As an owner of multiple German cars, most recently a Porsche 991.1S, I'm shocked by the engineering situation that required retaining the factory Maserati infotainment system/media controller simply to make all the sensors in this car work correctly! Kudos to the techs at MAG for finding a way to put this unit in the trunk and solve the problem so elegantly. Despite issues like this, it's undeniably a beautiful car and I'd love to drive one for a weekend.
1:40 should i not go for the S model? I cant find any thing about the transmission online. Could you help me? What is the exact difference between the transmission of the normal and S model?
@@CaseyPutsch but the non-s version is a 4.2L and i kinda want the 4.7 :/ how often do you really get trouble with the S- transmission? Is it very common? (The s model im looking at has only 5000 km year 2009)
Hello, near future 997 or Cayman shopper here that was considering one of these GranTurismos. Ten minutes in and hell no buddy, will keep looking at old P Cars.
I was looking at a used Quartroporte. Called my mechanic who specializes in German and Italian cars. He told me that buying a used Maser is like committing financial suicide. He said to plan on AT LEAST $5000 a year in repairs and another $2500 in maintenance. “If you can’t afford a new Maser you sure as hell can’t afford a used one” I kept my Mercedes-Benz E class instead.
Isn't that German also? Yeah I commit about 3-5k a year maintaining my 2012 QP. only had 1 year and haven't used any $ yet except general stuff. I actually had more issues in the 1st year with my SL500 that I owned for 4 years, but we'll see.
Sorry to hear you got talked out of a Maserati, not sure where he came up with his prices but he was way way off. The dealer maintenance schedules and prices are just one google search away. I have a 2008 GT with 59000 miles with all service records from new. No repairs done since new and just normal service, the car is a 3 owner and the last owner drove it for the last 2 years from 46000 with only oil changes and a new set of tires. I am getting the 50000 service that he skipped at a qualified indy shop for 1600 which includes new belts, oil and coolant change, brake flush and new plugs with Maserati parts. These cars are not made to be driven in the states with the Ferrari built engine and are not happy unless they are unleased once in awhile......150 either on a track or on the street, or keeping the revs up.....(drive it like you just stole it) . They were engineered to run all day every day at 140 plus on the Autobahn system. I do hope you will revisit buying one in the future..............it will put a shit eating grin on your face every time you take it out.
I thought my C7 Z06 was a pain in the ass the problem I had with was a bad wiring harness from the temperature sensor to the ecm the chevrolet dealership wasn't smart enough to figure it out I had to take it to a high end garage
I've heard that Auto may be best 'cause the clutch wears the crankshaft thrust washer on start up. Result is end float and possible engine write-off. (From memory, so I hope not B.S.)!
11000 miles = 17600 km. And it’s already failing? Hyundai in the eighties had more reliability. Casey. I love you man. Your smart! How you think and navigate this world is amazingly like myself. I wish I had your patience and tactics!
And this folks is why Uncle Salvi prefers analogue cars…. none of these idiotic digital issues…“Hey but my vents open out of the dash”… Great skippy, here’s a cookie… And all, in good measure, because the manufacturers decide to tie everything together; “Hey Ralph, just put all the electrical on one chip & circuit, what could go wrong?” This guy in the video is a professional and he had to jump through hoops and he still doesn’t know why sh*t started working again….. that’s comforting… Maserati & Aston Martin (in the digital age) - for the owner who is so wealthy, once these rolling tin cans out of a Stephen King novel are out of warranty, the owner can afford the depreciation loss by dumping the car literally along the side of the road to be sold on the lot of “Premier Autoschmuckita” dealership for an “unbelievable price - she’s a peach” and, some poor schmuck thinks they got a bargain…. meh….
I paid $47.5k for a 14k mile 2013 very great cosmetically. I saw a 2015 at a dealer that was overpriced and it had sticky buttons, scratches, so not good to rush buying one
Glad to hear I did a decent job at cleaning it up for you! Wanted to say hi when you came to pick it up but I wasn't around at the moment you showed up :(
Next time man! I hope to be at the upcoming cars and coffee there so say hi if we can make it!
Nice to see the feedback
Who the s-it are you?
Hey @bradyk2600 , are you the maserati mechanic he had mentioned?
@@naijataylor9822Either that or a detailer!
Good video. 6 years ago I had a Pre Purchase Inspection completed on a high mileage 2006 Maserati GranSport. It had 60,000 miles at that time. The Maserati Tech who completed the inspection told me that cars driven frequently and have a little higher mileage are, in general, more reliable as opposed cars that sit unused for weeks or months at a time. Now my Maserati has well over 100,000 miles and relatively reliable….not as reliable as an Asian car, but about as reliable as a mid 2000,s Mercedes or BMW. In summary, if you have above average mechanical skills and you accept the occasional repair AND if you buy near the bottom of the depreciation curve, an Old Maserati is a great value!
16k 100k miles good deal
Is a 2014 maserati with 130k miles for $20k a steal??
@@trevey16 I cannot answer that question without knowing the full details of the car: which model? Overall condition? Status of Pre-Purchase Inspection?
Yes! You are preaching the Gearhead Gospel, my friend!
@@trevey16 it’s a steal for the Maserati dealership or exotic car mechanic who will be working on your car, charging you Ferrari prices on a very non-Ferrari car.
I have the 2014 Granturismo, and the car has been a dream for the last 3 years. These cars have to be DRIVEN on a regular basis. Drive mine daily, love that I don't see one at every red light like C8's, Chargers, Camaro's, and Mustangs...LOL!
Replaced my radio and climate control with the Aucar touch screen setup, love it!
I too have a 2014 GT and it is amazing. It is a fantastic car.
@@ericyoung3003 +1
I just got a 2013 GranTurismo 2 months ago. Has it surprised you or just routine maintenance?
Then they spring leaks 😂
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 162k miles, no leaks at all...not sure where you got your info.
The stupidity of having your "entertainment and navigation" system tied into your vehicle's vitals is just mind blowing. How the hell was this even approved by the NHTA or other alphabet agency. I work in aviation and the airplanes' engines and system STILL work even if the navigation systems are offline or removed, and entertainment is rarely tied into anything more than the main electrical system for power.
It always astounds me how absolutely stupid car manufacturers can be.
There is NO reason thatthis car in particular can't be as reliable and cheap to maintain as say a Lexus ls460.
How? HIRE A TOYOTA/Lexus engineer!
And source ALL the ancillary parts (window motors, a/c sytems, etc.)
From manufacturers that make QUALITY CHEAP UNITS.
Why should a window motor/regulator cost 1, 500 dollars? Especially if it's failed after only 20, 000 miles?
This car could STILL be sold for stupid money, the brand would skyrocket in approval ratings, AND tge bottom line would be raised by at least 40 percent.
Can you imagine having a car that looks like this that is capable of 400 to 500, 000 miles and a yearly maintenance cost of 800 to 1, 500 dollars?
It must be cheaper this way?
@@anthonyxuereb5410 That could really be the only "good" reason.
It’s called bean counters overriding engineer’s decisions…. “Find us a workaround that costs less…”…
@@sjm5482 as someone who has worked in the automotive industry at the “designing new vehicles” part of the business, I can absolutely guarantee this is the case.
1. Designers create an initial design based on a set of criteria (which can include packaging, reuse of components, as well as aesthetic and market considerations, etc)
2. Engineers figure out how to make the design into a working vehicle.
3. Accountants, “project management” (those who agree the impossible deadlines) and legal teams throw in more and more limitations or new requirements that compromise both engineering and design until deadline arrives.
4. Car goes to production.
It's like dating a gorgeous girl from a REALLY rich family.
All the pros and cons!
Hot VS crazy scale on a Maserati is up in the stratosphere.
@@molskimauler I guess it's closer to the diagonal, probably jumping up and down the line...
More cons than pros
LOL High Maintenance.
Maserati Car Problems featuring Casey Putsch Step 1: Have a husband who used to work on Ferraris. Step 2: Have a kick ass deal Step 3: Have bad influence friends like Ed Bolian to persuade you to buy the things
Glad my wife likes Toyota’s 😆
Even better: i have no wife!
@@MarkGelderland That's the key to mortals owning a sport luxury car!
You are unbelievably lucky, you have no idea.
The history of Maserati is long and varied, with a number of owners including FIAT and Ferrari, so the engineering is most certainly Ferrari derived. In fact, the Maserati factory was modernised when it was put under full ownership by Ferrari in 1999, even though Ferrari had owned a 50% stake since 1997. In 2005 Ferrari sold a large percentage back to FIAT and FIAT set about reorganising both Maserati and Alfa Romeo into a “group” using Ferrari engineers to help in developing cars for both brands, which now included Abarth, and setting up their R&D departments. FCA sold their stake in Ferrari in 2014, but many Ferrari engineers remain in the FCA group and work on both Alfa and Maserati models. To say this isn’t a bargain Ferrari when the Ferrari California uses nearly the same underpinnings is not correct. Compared to the price of a Ferrari, these are bargains. Unfortunately, unless you get a 2018 or 2019, you have very old school tech in the car and the radio unit is dreadfully antiquated. Then again, for the sound you get and the beautiful Italian leather and Ferrari engineering, it’s still a bargain if you like to drive something different. They are great to drive.
former Maserati owner here-never again. A joy to drive-when nothing goes wrong-which unfortunately, was rare. Loved the sound; despised the incredible depreciation.
I believe you! If you daily drive an Italian car, you are brave and wealthy, or you got rocks in your head. It must be expensive even if you only drive it on Sundays!
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@@JorgeJimenez-gp2bn - ?
@@randolfo1265 Everyone has their own definition as "wealthy"
What year and model? The GT-S 2011 and newer from what I hear are reliable cars. Sedans are separate beasts with their own problems.
Something that I have learned in my old age is I have the knowledge but no longer have the ability or the patience. So a lot of times it’s easier to take it to somebody with the skills and knowledge that you trust.
In this episode, Casey talks about how his elephant that he drives through a minefield hasn’t hit a mine yet.
Lmao perfect
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@@Live.dronesWho shared with you the secret that Maserati’s are overweight and handle like elephants?
My good friend bought a Maserati convertible in 2009 and still has it, loves it, and never had any problems with it. Then in 2014 he added a Maserati Quatraporte (sedan). Same result, no issues, loves it, and still drives it. Two years ago he acquired a new Porsche sedan. The Maserati is much roomier and more comfortable.
I have a 2011 Quattroporte S, have owned since 2015, driven over 85000 miles, and it has been no problem at all to own. Reliable, fun, and that radio is no better or worse than what any other brand comes with OTHER than my Tesla, whose display is the best I have ever seen and updates regularly (as they should). Love the white/red, now drive it, Maserati's should be driven.
Hey so I have a Tesla too, planning on getting a QP. How's maintenance etc, do it yourself? Thanks!
@@3000gtDentist I have had my Q a long time, as I said, and maintenance has been not expensive or excessive. Last year I did spend $6K for a shop to replace worm parts of the front suspension, fix the window lift on drivers side, and a range of other little widgets; but I drive this car, any car would need some maintenance other than oil changes and batteries. I do nothing myself, I make more money doing what I do best and hire people who are better than I at auto-mechanics; I do not make my own shoes either, I am funny that way.
@@SolvieCapital appreciated, that's what i needed to hear. I keep hearing 20k new motor 6k for brakes...thanks! Do you bring it to the dealer or an independent shop (that works on maserati's?)
@@3000gtDentist Yeah I agree the "nightmare" hype is usually over hyped. I've owned a 2012 QP for about a year and haven't had any huge issues with it(crossing my fingers)I'm budgeting about 5k a year for maintaining it. Love the car and I get more comments from strangers than when I had a beautiful black SL500. Its a beautiful looking/sounding car, although I'm thinking of upgrading to one of these, albeit newer(2013-15) Oh and I paid 24,500 for a 90k car
@@3000gtDentist sorry, I missed your note. I take the Maserati to an independent shop who works on all kinds of Euro imports. Dealer is too far away and probably expensive, my local shop is like the Car Wizard, reasonable and realistic.
Can't wait to see the new rims on it and hear the new exhaust note with the x pipes. What's better than a pretty Maserati? More pretty Maserati.
Searching for a used Gran Turismo, I found that rarely do you find one of these cars from a reputable dealer. Almost all of them have had 3, 4 or 5 owners which tells me people buy them, and can't wait to dump them. Currently, prices are inflated on these cars.
Going to pick mine up at the Maserati dealership tomorrow. 08 Granturismo with 25k miles. I bought it with 14k and it;s been dependable and very nice. Since Maserati didn't have any service records my cost as follows. $3,500 for the basic maintenance. The climate control on the driver side works but came loose. $650, Door was rattling on the driver side and didn't close as tight as the passenger side. $450. They wanted to replace the tire sensors on for $1,200. I can deal with the light on..LOL
Not a bad car after all, but what did it take to get it there? How do you like the car?
I like the car but I think a facelift front end would make it look a lot newer
Love the car . White is a good choice but I've seen a lovely one in a candy Red. 🍬
red is very very rare on these
@@CaseyPutsch I think the one I saw was a custom job . It was a beautiful metalic candy red . It had a tricolour along the bottom sill too.
@@edmundscycles1 that sounds really nice prob paint like matt armstrongs maserati
Gran Turismo is on my short bucket list. Truly beautiful inside and out. Congratulations on your wife’s gorgeous car. Love the red interior. Someday a black Maserati with a red interior
....picked up a 2011 GTS 5 years ago and it has been perfect since day one. One not of caution though is budget for a full Aucar digital instrument panel upgrade (about 4k) because the sticky button issue will make you sick sooner or later. Otherwise ...one of the most beautiful cars ever designed and heard.
Those year models don't have the Chrysler interior parts right? If anything Chrysler is in a vehicle. There's nothing true pure luxury or performance about it.
I can't listen to him talk anymore after 5 minutes
You need to get the head unit from AUCAR that has a CAMBUS controller that lets you set all of the factory car functions and steering wheel functions as did your factory head unit. And you can get rid of your head unit from the trunk.
All new cars including cheap and simple Mustangs run all their systems using CAN BUS....I was dealing with a dead head unit after my battery voltage went extremely low and I learn how your OBD / PCM / TCM /AC / Radio / Amplifiers / SRS (air bags) / etc, etc are all on Hi speed or LOW speed CAN and every single module has a software code specific to your VIN. So with some nice Internet software you can flash and over write software and check communication. I assume Maserati has something similar to have all their systems communicating, I think it's standard to most cars. Now, is there any generic software out there than mortals can download to work on Maserati and do your own troubleshooting? I bet there is!! I heard that AUCAR unit is the best way to avoid messing with any communication in these cars.
So the moral of the story is, if you buy a Maser make sure the previous owner(s) didn’t change the radio, or anything else. Everything needs to be as it left the factory.
Agreed, I got one and I'm leaving it as is. Don't want to open Pandora's box
Its a nice car , plush interior(woman love interiors) great motor ,it's those electrical/computer gremlins that get a little scary , however you got it cheap enough to fix all that and it's also a lot of car for your money
Gorgeous car, to me leasing is the key for exotic drivers.
I've thought of it but the high down and monthly payments are hard to swallow. I Realize that maintaining is worry free which is nice
I’ve had my GranSport since 2006…like any car, if you maintain and drive them you shouldn’t have any problems….deferred maintenance is also another reason. Drive the car, maintain it and find a good independent mechanic and you should be fine. The problem is is that these cars are super cheap to get because of maintenance…then, they end up in the hands of people who can afford to buy it but can’t afford to maintain it. I’ll take my normally aspirated 420 horsepower (after exhaust mods) any day over the new generation of V6 turbo cars. New cars today are boring and dull.1
So the lesson from this story is not to remove your Maserati's factory radio. ;) If I do get one of these, I'll just add an aftermarket interface for my phone integration and adding a camera, and there are other ways to improve sound quality of factory head units without replacing them.
Thanks for making that video. I'm pretty sure a lot of other channels out there would have stayed quiet instead of reporting on the experience, both with the car and dealership. I also agree with you, that on certain cars, you can peak at the issue, but if you don't have access to the tools, developing a relationship with your dealership instead of making things worst is the way to go. You also sometimes get a free wash out of it.
Thanks for the comment on the Viper and the accessibility of the engine for repairs. Im getting close to buying one :) The quick release on the negative battery terminal is a very smart idea.
You will love the viper. Of my 5 cars, my viper is the most driven.
I have one in Rosso Mondial with red interior and it’s been a fantastic car for us. Very easy to work on for any decent mechanic. Oil changes, filters, and brakes are super easy. I don’t care about my nav unit because I usually never have it on anyways and listen to the engine.
I’m really interested to hear what your X pipe does. I’ve been hesitant because I don’t want it to sound like my Mustang (which has full exhaust and is loud).
Yeah I agree the "nightmare" hype is usually over hyped. I've owned a 2012 QP for about a year and haven't had any huge issues with it(crossing my fingers) Love the car and I get more comments from strangers than when I had a beautiful black SL500. Its a beautiful looking/sounding car, although I'm thinking of upgrading to one of these, albeit newer(2013-15)
What many people do not realise is any car built before 2005 electronic items are just plug and play. However post 2005 all electronic items in a motor vehicle relate to that vehicles chassis number and you cannot just replace one item with another. It requires someone who knows what they are doing, with a lap top to reprogram the cars computer.
Casey, I saw Doug Demuro's video about the Volkswagen XL-1 (which I'd never heard of before) and the concept sounds very similar to your Omega car!
The main difference in my opinion is that the Omega car is genuinely pretty, while the XL-1 looks like someone stepped on a Prius.
These kinds of problems are why I got rid of my BMW 7 series and never looked back. Lovely car to drive, but the combination of the stereo glitching out (and trying to find someone who understood the 12 speaker OEM system), any wheel and tire combination OTHER than stock causing a vibration and ultimately the heater core leaking at 100k miles made me say "I'm OUT".
I got a 2013 GranTurismo 2 months ago, 14k miles on it. Just an oil and coolant change (DIY) it's been solid for 2.5k miles, knock on wood. I wash it and meguiars ceramic detail it every week, fun to drive daily. I think it got repo'd from the previous owner cause it had some odd GPS tracker pamphlet with it. Radio hasn't been modified thank goodness.
How has your car been since
@@k.matthews1158 30k miles now everything’s solid. DIY’d the major service at 25k. Minor electrical gremlins like the seat buttons getting wet by rain last week. Seat heater went ballistic and it was resolved by some canned air duster. Also had an O2 sensor code again caused by rain. Put some electrical grease on the o2 sensor connectors and it’s gone. Got 4 tires also which were around 1600$
Super excited to see more of the Maserati, it's a gorgeous car
Thank you for the info about the radio, I was wanting to get a used maserati and mod minor aspects such as that, but now I know I can't just ditch it. thanks!
Just a handful of Granturismos came to the US with the F1 transmission. They were not certified by the EPA so shipments of cars with the F1 transmission were quickly stopped. It had nothing to do with the car being a sport model.
I have one of these cars in red. It's just an awesome car with fantastic looks. I am happy the new 2023 looks almost the same. I'll never sell it. Nice video.
One of the most beautiful cars ever made! Your wife has excellent taste!
The Sport has the standard ZF Auto just like the base 4.2 you have. They had an option in the earlier models for the MC shift that is the manual auto with the pain in the butt clutch you spoke of. The 07 and older Maserati QP and Gran Sports all had that horrible old style manual auto as well. The ZF you have in yours is the most common for the GT Base and Sport. It's actually difficult to find an MC shift model in the GT. Good video
but the non automatic one sounds like a monster and lets you play whith faster shifts. it also looks better in my opinion
Yeah but not better also the 2009 facelifts are much better looking
On the heat /cold issue, the cabin temp sensor can go bad. Possibly No need to disassemble the dash and footwell
Crinkle blue (as opposed to Ferrari's crinkle red) sounds cool, like the MC12 was their blue Enzo.
Bought a new 2013 GT. Great drove it 4 years and 60,000 miles. Didn't car about depreciation. Brake job was 6k. 2 batteries. tires . No issues
Brake job was $6K?? What type of brakes? I just did 4 pads, machined all 4 rotors, and flushed the fluid on my 360 Modena for a hair over $1200. If I'd replaced the rotors, that'd be another $4K for the rotors. That's still under $6K though.
Dealership
Good to hear. New owner of a 2013 that's in good shape, hope for the best I'll take care of her
Seems like the Fisker Karma ripped the shape off of this car.
I had no issues with my Ghibli and Levante; I just performed regular maintenance on them.
Threes things, the car looks much better without a sunroof, nothing beats a conventional auto box and yes, $1500 well spent
at the dealership for exactly the reasons you stated, win win, you got the results without incurring any damage to your Masa as a consequence. I hope your wife gets lots of pleasure out of owning it.
I also have a complete video series on how to remove the dash/head unit climate control etc.
Great video Casey! While we are on the subject of cheap exotics, I recently did something stupid and bought a broken 2009 DB9 convertible for my wife (and I). I'm either a genius, or it's a very expensive mistake. I can't wait to go on an exotic run with my DB9 for the price of a civic :D
It's very stupid that any other system goes through the *stereo.* But other than that it seems a very lovable car. No proper stick shift reduces the appeal, I suppose, but if the automatic paddles do what they should, OK. (I think for that genre I might look into an F-type Jag with the stick and nice-sounding V6, so pretty, but that's pretty too. :) (I'd prefer saddle-brown inside to red, but it looks a lot nicer than all those black and dark grey ones I see. That hides those lines.)
And $1500.00 to do all that is a good deal. Nobody else has the computer and can service it like them. All in at $2K sounds about right.
Sitting around gathering dust and screwing around with the electronics is not the way these cars are meant to be used. The sound on these is epic.
My girlfriend had a 2001 cambiocorsa coupe we got at the bottom $ and drove it until it needed a new clutch, as you said avoid those. We didn’t loose much money and it was so much fun to drive, she didn’t even start unless MY little fingers wiggling the battery terminals in the trunk. It was personalized like that.
I had a similar problem with a 2015 jeep cherokee limited. I changed the stock radio exchanged for a navigation one of same year. All hell broke loose. The dealer charged me $1500 plus to buy a new stock radio that it was built with, to get the car to clear codes and drive. Then I went ahead and changed the radio the 2nd time with navigation, and it worked without freaking out. Something about can bus and same wires used through out the car sharing the same harness crap.... Italian? maybe? 2015 solentis owns then then and now. Interesting.
Maintain the Maserati battery , if it's 65,75,85 percent good you should connect a battery maintainer often so your car and electronics don't give you dashboard lights and it's got lots of lights.
Hi I plan on getting this car in the future but plan to let it sit for two weeks at a time. Should I be concerned with the battery holding charge for that long? Thanks
Probably should plug a battery maintainer with a trickle charge option for long storage
Bargain in my book, if you can either wrench it yourself or have a trusted indie mechanic that knows and can work on Maseratis.
I hate how expensive car companies always refresh the exterior aesthetics but leave the old and horrible looking interior dashboard. One reason I didnt go for this car was the interior, so old and boring looking
Ha! I have 3 buddy's that made a post on fb about this. I use to work at mag and the guy you delt with is good people.
They have aftermarket units that look like factory and you don’t need to fuss with putting the factory radio in the trunk or whatever.
It is a very sweet ride. Oddly on an appraisal trip the other day I counted 4 Maserati's while I was driving.
I bet every Maserati you saw on the road was on their second, third or fourth owner who foolishly think they bought a bargain.
My 2011 is an awesome car and had no problems at all. You mess around with tech you need to know exactly what your doing. Especially aftermarket stuff. I learned my trade with BMW up to Master technician and i repair my Maserati no matter what is wrong with it.
This is an automotive channel with 150K subs +. Nice size channel. You're clearly an expert. So I don't get how a laymen like me knew immediately that you just can't swap the radio out of that car without removing a significant portion of its brain at the same time. I mean that respectfully as possible---wasn't it obvious?
Guess not
I get the feeling Casey is going to end up loving the car more than his wife does.
The radio in a modern car with can bus Eletrical system is a lot like the Detroit Police department looks like police department until u work there and see all the crazy back door deals happening then u dig deeper and can't believe what u find
interesting that you just didnt find a can bus module for that radio you have in the dash now. I just installed a apple carplay/android auto touchscreen unit for the hvac and infotainment that came with a can bus communicator. works great.
You talk in circles man. Stay on point.
I believe I know enough to do most work myself. I may look into buying one with higher Miles but good service history.
Great to see some good coming back to someone that puts a lot of good into the world, good karma mate looking forward to more videos on both the new cars, good stuff mate. ;)
best car channel
Not by a long shot Johnny
My ultimate favorite car is the mercedes AMG GT. I just like the long bonnet and the small driver‘s cabin at the end of the car. Currently at University, but I guess such cars are for the really rich guys, unfortunately.
Casey, Do you have a scan-tool of some sort? Should be able to isolate parts of the HVAC system, check the vent action, and the interior temp sensor.
not one that good!
@@CaseyPutsch Doesn't need to be a 6K Fap-on. My ~1400 Autel will do it on most modern cars. Honestly, haven't done any late model Masers though...
that saker rapx in the background thats my favorite awesome look
Discovered your channel today searching for Maserati videos. I first thought I was listening to Christopher Titus 😁 Very entertaining.
I'm glad she's enjoying it, and I felt a lot of pride owning the snakeskin green viper when I had it.
Maintanance by the book , no exiding
3000 rpm while the engine is cold , keep
the fluids max .
Pretty much chance that you get a cheap
Ferrari .
Neglect it , race it while still cold , to low
levels of fluid , and you get a nightmare .
So buy a car witch history you know .
$1500.00? Ouch! But I do get it. When you get into cars at this price point you have to be prepared to pay a lot for repair parts and the shop rates of highly qualified technicians that are familiar with them. The sheer level of needless complexity they seem to build into them is mind blowing. It's not like someone really good with their own cars can't fix anything. But with the specialized tools you need for some jobs? Plus practically needing to be an electronics engineer to figure out what a warning light on the dash really means on these rolling gas burning computers.
All that being said I really do love the wife's car. I could see myself being very happy if I was to own one like it. Can't wait to see what new wheels you picked out and hear the exhaust after the upgrade!
The electronics are actually quite simple compared to German cars but they are finicky and putting an aftermarket radio is questionable
so lucky, my dad has a maserati granturismo for 70k (though it is a limited edition of 400 cars and 2017 and a mc which is more powerful with 17k miles). Thats a great deal.
dealerships sale cars most do not fix in a nice way stealerships that what a service manual is for and if that ant viable then car is most likely a pile..i like the fact it looks like a ford chevy under hood not a mess of silliness .i like it a 6 speed manual swap be great
the labor wasn't that bad, they took it out did root cause analysis and put it back together, Great job at a fair price, win-win
Might wanna just get a cheap used Toyota so she’s “has no car” next GP round… there will be one.
I used to have a Biturbo back in the day ...That was something else ...
For that price at an actual Ferrari/Maserati shop it's an amazing deal not to mention it's the Grand Turismo
As an owner of multiple German cars, most recently a Porsche 991.1S, I'm shocked by the engineering situation that required retaining the factory Maserati infotainment system/media controller simply to make all the sensors in this car work correctly! Kudos to the techs at MAG for finding a way to put this unit in the trunk and solve the problem so elegantly. Despite issues like this, it's undeniably a beautiful car and I'd love to drive one for a weekend.
great video straight to the piont
1:40 should i not go for the S model? I cant find any thing about the transmission online. Could you help me? What is the exact difference between the transmission of the normal and S model?
Normal- automatic with paddles and doesn’t break. S-expensive ass Ferrari manual shifted by computer. Will break and cost a ton
@@CaseyPutsch but the non-s version is a 4.2L and i kinda want the 4.7 :/ how often do you really get trouble with the S- transmission? Is it very common? (The s model im looking at has only 5000 km year 2009)
Hello, near future 997 or Cayman shopper here that was considering one of these GranTurismos. Ten minutes in and hell no buddy, will keep looking at old P Cars.
I almost bought one of these. I'd go with a later model if possible as it has the larger 4.7 L V8. I ended up with a C 63 AMG instead.
That is a kick ass car!!
@@sjb3460 I was concerned with reliability. No longer looking. Happy with the C 63.
I was looking at a used Quartroporte. Called my mechanic who specializes in German and Italian cars. He told me that buying a used Maser is like committing financial suicide. He said to plan on AT LEAST $5000 a year in repairs and another $2500 in maintenance. “If you can’t afford a new Maser you sure as hell can’t afford a used one”
I kept my Mercedes-Benz E class instead.
Isn't that German also? Yeah I commit about 3-5k a year maintaining my 2012 QP. only had 1 year and haven't used any $ yet except general stuff. I actually had more issues in the 1st year with my SL500 that I owned for 4 years, but we'll see.
Sorry to hear you got talked out of a Maserati, not sure where he came up with his prices but he was way way off. The dealer maintenance schedules and prices are just one google search away. I have a 2008 GT with 59000 miles with all service records from new. No repairs done since new and just normal service, the car is a 3 owner and the last owner drove it for the last 2 years from 46000 with only oil changes and a new set of tires. I am getting the 50000 service that he skipped at a qualified indy shop for 1600 which includes new belts, oil and coolant change, brake flush and new plugs with Maserati parts. These cars are not made to be driven in the states with the Ferrari built engine and are not happy unless they are unleased once in awhile......150 either on a track or on the street, or keeping the revs up.....(drive it like you just stole it) . They were engineered to run all day every day at 140 plus on the Autobahn system. I do hope you will revisit buying one in the future..............it will put a shit eating grin on your face every time you take it out.
You forgot to mention it has the best engine made by the best engine makers in the world. Ferrari!
So outside of buying one with an aftermarket radio unit, I'm all good if it has an original unit. Awesome 👌... I'll get one in the next 2 years. ;)
I thought my C7 Z06 was a pain in the ass the problem I had with was a bad wiring harness from the temperature sensor to the ecm the chevrolet dealership wasn't smart enough to figure it out I had to take it to a high end garage
Well, that kind of Maserati is basically a Ferrari that doesn't suck as a daily driver.
I've heard that Auto may be best 'cause the clutch wears the crankshaft thrust washer on start up. Result is end float and possible engine write-off. (From memory, so I hope not B.S.)!
Beautiful car!! Id put up with alot of quirks for that look
11000 miles = 17600 km. And it’s already failing? Hyundai in the eighties had more reliability.
Casey. I love you man. Your smart! How you think and navigate this world is amazingly like myself. I wish I had your patience and tactics!
You're right Casey. It's better to go to the pros from dover for some things.
Its annoying, but if thats the worst of it then I wouldn't be too torn up about it.
I went to a dealership to look at this exact color combo in a convertible but they wouldn't let me test drive it. Talk about discrimination...
I have that same belt! Bought in Midway
And this folks is why Uncle Salvi prefers analogue cars…. none of these idiotic digital issues…“Hey but my vents open out of the dash”… Great skippy, here’s a cookie… And all, in good measure, because the manufacturers decide to tie everything together; “Hey Ralph, just put all the electrical on one chip & circuit, what could go wrong?” This guy in the video is a professional and he had to jump through hoops and he still doesn’t know why sh*t started working again….. that’s comforting… Maserati & Aston Martin (in the digital age) - for the owner who is so wealthy, once these rolling tin cans out of a Stephen King novel are out of warranty, the owner can afford the depreciation loss by dumping the car literally along the side of the road to be sold on the lot of “Premier Autoschmuckita” dealership for an “unbelievable price - she’s a peach” and, some poor schmuck thinks they got a bargain…. meh….
I bought my 1-owner 2013 GTS with 7K miles for $54K. Respectfully, the $30K for a 2008 was OK, not awesome but not bad.
I paid $47.5k for a 14k mile 2013 very great cosmetically. I saw a 2015 at a dealer that was overpriced and it had sticky buttons, scratches, so not good to rush buying one
@@airyordan6291 Mine had / has sticky parts too but it’s OK. I own Sticky RX and this winter the car will be fully sorted.
Have you driven anything better or recommend anything better than this car?