I can't quite understand why you are stating LG and HTC are trying to make their displays look like AMOLED. They are simply trying to give a perfect viewing experience. Oh wait, I forgot, anything that ISN'T Samsung, must be copying Samsung. Right?
Amoled displays are awesome for multimedia Movies like batman with lots of dark background look absolutely gorgeous on them Once you get used to those colours LCDs just dont cut it Only where LCDs are better is during web browsing but only marginally But movies games photos look absolutely gorgeous on amoled
Exactly,the only downfall to AMOLED displays is displaying black text on a pure white background (internet browsing) because it uses a pentile matrix where green sunpixels can effect the area around the black text
Lucas Chermont but that can't match true blacks on AMOLEDs because blacks on LCD's still supported by a backlight LED which makes blacks somehow whiter or washed On AMOLEDs individual pixels are turned off when displaying blacks ;)
Lucas Chermont I understand your point. But for some big TV screens, some companies put LCD dynamic contrast on by default. I really dislike that. I don't like that they dim the back light for darker black... Just a personal preference like Erica said...
If all the colors are evenly shifted, it should just end up being too bright. OLED screens use a lot less battery power and that is a big advantage with a phone. If they can get the cost down and bad pixel rate down and make them last longer, I think they will overtake the market over time, though they are probably using LEDs now as a back light which does use much less energy than the old cold lights they used to use as a back lighting source. EDIT: I have a gamepark WIZ with an OLED screen and it's like 8 or 9 years old now and though there a couple of dead pixels, I haven't noticed any blue burn. Of course, this is a gaming system and doesn't use static screens for hours on end. Over time, I do think OLED screens will become the standard. My iPod touch 4 has bleeding in the screen now though it is not physically damaged or cracked. It's not like LCD screens last forever.
Yup! AMOLED's lively colors don't make me bored when simply staring at the screen to admire it. When i get bored, i just stare at my screen and simply admire my handset.
Erica, this video is fantastic!! I wish other channel's would go this in-depth and do such a professional job tackling the technical subjects of smartphones. I always feel excited when I learn something new like I just did from your video.
Extremely good feature Erica Griffin . You're is possibly the best video about mobile display types that I've ever seen. I find that people tend to learn certain the common characteristics of display types and then assume incorrectly that those idiosyncrasies apply to every device using that technology. As you know very well there are very few absolute rules which always apply. Let's hope it's not too long before Android gains effective and good colour management.
I was a fan of AMOLED screens until I experienced burn in! If there is one thing I hate more than dead pixels, its burn in! Don't think I will ever own another AMOLED display!
THANK YOU. Glad I found a sensible reviewer, really hard to find. Can't wait to watch camera comparisons by you. Please make a comparison of how dark the blacks are in complete darkness! The reason I switched from LCD to AMOLED is because I got blinded by a black screen at lowest brightness by the LCD backlight! That was a few years ago I want to see if it's improved.
Erica, you mentioned Android doesn't have color management, but what about the different "screen modes" on Samsung devices? Do the algorithms used to change the "screen mode" (adapt, dynamic, etc.) count as color management, or are they a function of something different? Thank you for your amazing videos, you're one of the few people that has genuine understanding of the SCIENCE behind technology.
OLED displays are superior in my opinion because not only can you get better power consumption, but you are able to calibrate the display to get 'natural' colors, as well as have the option to make colors ultra vibrant. Basically, OLED displays give you more options than LCD displays.
I'm glad you answered the act that AMOLED displays "burn" out, bc I had the very first Galaxy S with TMobile and I started to notice over time my screen became dinner by the day. I was so frustrated.
So Erica, thanks for the video, but I've got three questions for you: 1.: how were the measurements taken? Did you generate images which filled the whole screen or were the images just filling part of the screen? 2.: what kind of instrument did you use to take these measurements? Was it a spectophotometer or a colorimeter? 3.: lastly, if the images used to measure filled the whole screen, how can you tell if gamma on the HTC1 wasn't altered between bright and black (dynamic contrast)?
Thanks for this informative video on AMOLED and LCDs. Though I agree with your conclusion, I guess by now we can definitively say that AMOLED has won the war, at least in terms of flagship devices. In addition, software these days allow for tweaking of color temperature. It's still a shame though because the advantages of AMOLED, mainly being the power efficiency, isn't enough to overcome the weaknesses for me, them being the burn-in issue, and the subsequent flickering method they use to address that issue. Bad for the eyes (well, at least worse than LCD). People say their phones do not have burn-in, but as you said, burn-in is inevitable. I don't care much for color, so the LCD is the clear choice for me, which means my next phone's going to be an LG. Thank you again for the informative video, even though I'm 3 years late lol.
there's default/movie/natural setting in the samsung options. default is over saturated, movie is over saturated less, natural is just about right. burn in? stop running it so bright and turn screen off when not in use. 18mnth old phone no burn in.
LCDs have transistors that fail preventing the twisted pneumatic liquid crystal from responding how it is supposed to. And lately I have seen something else strange with LCD burn in. But it's too early to report on this as it seems like entirely new behavior. My point with blue pixel burn in is that it happens much faster in relation to what happens to LCD i have seen thus far.
I just completely agree with you. The screen is so beautiful! And it's great that it doesn't look inaccurate at all. I'm not a fan boy, but I just can't imagine any manufacturer making better displays than the S4 one. I just wish it was more bright, it's the only down side for me.
I started watching this video thinking, " Lets see what this girl could possibly tell me about screen technology." Me being a screen enthusiast i must say, even though i knew about everything you said, you did an absolutely fantastic job of explaining your points and am hugely impressed. Will you marry me?
I have the LG G2 and I'm Ok with the display being a little oversaturated but the one thing you forgot to mention about LCD screens is that they can have backlight bleed. I can notice it on my LG G2, even though it's just a tiny line at the top of the screen and it isn't too noticable, but still, knowing it's there makes me quite obsessed about it. And I've tried returning it, but the place I got it from said that it is supposed to be that way. I also read that on the internet, though the articles suggested that it would only be visible if I tilted the screen and saw it from a different angle. But when I look at the screen while watching a movie, the top kinda glows more and that is what made me notice it. I wish I had noticed it when I first opened the box.
A LCD panel will also emit full light all over the screen at all time and there for age evenly. Unlike OLED LCD darkens the pixel by blocking the light. The blue pixels are smaller by size then green and red because of the blue colour is of a shorter wavelength. Erica Griffin If a movie is made with adobeRGB profile, would the colours look more correct on the S4?
Yeah I don't want to buy a dimmer display that portrays whites as a dim off white tinted yellow/green that will burn in over time. Don't believe me go to Best Buy and compare the Galaxy Tab S 10.1 (new) amoled and the Note Pro Tab 12.2 (new) IPS and you'll see how much more vibrant, bright, accurate, and overall better the IPS display is. My first and last amoled was the Note 2 and I hated it, promptly switched it out for an HTC DNA with an IPS display, also had an iPhone 5, Galaxy camera, Nexus 10, and Asus laptop with IPS displays and none of them have trouble displaying blacks, this was a problem with cheaper older TFT LCDs and all are very bright and obviously don't burn in. Amoled simply cannot compete with a bright, sharp, well calibrated IPS display, in other ones, NOT a cheap one, HTC/Sony/Apple/LG/even Samsung makes beautiful IPS displays.
Those phones are on all the time of course there gonna burn Amoled tends to burn if on for long periods of time (longer than 8hours a day) and at the same image. Amoled is still the best display out there as it has punch colors. If u didn't like Amoled then good for you everyone has many preference
Went to get a new phone at Verizon today, was actually excited to get the Note 4 after hearing how crisp the whites were and how accurate the color temperature and white point was compared to older amoleds. While it was a lot better I was disappointed to see that side by side with the LCD Z3V and HTC One M8 it STILL is dimmer and has a greenish tint. After seeing a store model S5 and G Flex with terrible burn in this pushes me from the small advantages of higher contrast and "more saturation". The IPS still looked better period and Im walking out of here today with a Z3v. I guess some people just prefer certain displays, I cant get over that greenish white.
You cannot fix physical screen burn in you fucking idiot and I use my phone on maximum brightness all the time especially outdoors only time i turn it down is in very low light like sitting in near to pitch darkness or being outside at night.
Wow just discovered you and your channel, through the moto g videos... Since I'm a viusal artist and a nerd myself, your really indepth videos about the screens are soooo precious and informative... You just got a new subscriber nice lady! Reeaaaly enjoying the depth of your content!
ctrl+f "pentile" 0 results Saw a Galaxy S7 & S7 Edge yesterday. Won't do that thing ever again - even the standard Google search widget has a purple line on top and a green line on its bottom much like a chromatic aberration, even at 40cm viewing distance. White is not completely white, too. Don't try to tell me that at 1440p it wouldn't matter much - I stated my experiences. 441ppi RGB LCD still looks better, although it's truly not as power efficient at black display content. Still, Amoled is actually way more inefficient than LCD at creating white/bright colours. So I'll have to wait for something that is as awesome as a Galaxy SII once was or my HTC One M8 still is.
Wow, really impressed with the narrative that is to the point and not making things overly complicated while dealing with a subject that is highly technical in nature. Thoroughly enjoyed the 15 minutes of absolute eye opener and thanks a lot!
Go to the screen setting on the s4 and you can change the screen saturation to movie or a professional photo mode and it definitely makes the display very neutral and less saturated.. but if you like the colors put it on dynamic...
AMOLED Burn's in over time and the phosphorus wear's out and the screen starts to loose it brightness and I find yellow and Bright orange tend to burn in the most. This shows most effectively on my S5 as it is my oldest phone going on 3 years now.
Mbit Gbit and that takes time, you buy a new phone before that... the brightnes drops level of lcd tops in time.. 4 years with same amoled now, and still bright and good colours...
AnderDoUrden Only the first amoleds burn in. I still have my Note 3 and after almost 3 years still no burn in. I dont know what you guys do with your phones.. even sleep with it and use it 10hours constantly every day or what lol
Truly truly informative. Most tech tubers give the gamut chart and 90% of the people have no clue what that is. This video will surely serve as a good tutorial for them.
I think you are confused. I said 100% green for sRGB is simply the max coordinate for this color (0,255,0). I split the amount in an arbitrary percentage interval, hence 25% to try to explain that the coordinate that belongs with 50% green is boosted to 75%. What don't you get??? If green is outside sRGB it only matters if the content was designed for sRGB. So a dot outside sRGB green is, just say 125%. That will look very odd for sRGB content.
ips lcs is by far superior to the inferior amoled it has natural colors (better colors) , sharper, doesnt have burn in issue, cheaper, less harm to the eyes , better look facing the sun, brighter white and Better battery efficient , amoled saves battery but that only in black while on white bg it drains battery faster than ips and most used pps like social apps youtube searching the browser all of themhas white bg so in reality ips saves battery since it consumption for battery is constant and if amoled has deaper black ips has brighter white and as i said most usaed apps has white bg so ips is better in both look and functionality
+Mr Droid If you were to only write the first statement, that would be more believable. But once I read the second statement, it looks like you haven't used a Plus iPhone yet.
Your videos are awesome, Erica Griffin. Very accurate and good explanations. I always forward your videos to people when I want them to get more information on a specific topic. Thanks for your awesome work!
+Wendy Macqueen additive vs subtractive primaries. You are talking about subtractive color mixing with pigments. I'm talking about color mixing with light. Anyhow, it's been updated that yellow, Magenta, and cyan are the true subtractive primaries. Though it's still taught to students in art class that blue, red, and yellow are the primaries. But the way that the electromagnetic spectrum works yellow, Magenta and cyan is more accurate, covering more of the visible spectrum.
actually, in pc world almost everything is made of red-green-blue for example: code for red is FF0000 F-means full, so its full red and no green, no blue
It depends on how the colour works. Pigments work by absorbing particular light based colours, and reflecting the rest. While light is just the colours that were reflected. So its a bit different
I bought the S2 and never looked back cause I prefer AMOLED. Black should be black not gray which looks bad. Amoled has almost zero response time. Amoled has very wide contrast. I was sold on AMOLED when I saw it the colors are so gorgeous.
Ok. Erica I am deeply sorry. I never though a you could review better than the rest of the people out there. I was even skeptical from watching the video. BUT WOW! You were actually crisp and clear and I understood what those technical terms finally mean. THANK YOU MUCH. Lots of love 😁 +1 subscriber.
Soon 5 years old s3 and still 0% burn in. Maybe I got lucky. Europe version. I have not heard from anyone I know to seen burn in on oled phones. And the phone this old most people will not be using it anymore. I still think its nothing to worry about when deciding to buy a phone. Oled tv's on the other hand, when usage will be like 15 years then I would worry about burn in.
The information you gave about LCD was for TN (twisted nematic) screens. Both the LG G2 and HTC one use IPS (In-Plane Switching) LCD screens which are far superior to TN and *capable* of being very accurate. I also believe what you were seeing with the measured gamma curve is a relatively standard S-curve applied that makes standard RGB appear to have a little more depth, or "pop" (correct me if I'm wrong, just taking a guess). When I compared the G2 to the S4 at the store, a white screen actually looked green on the S4, so thanks for doing this comparison that actually explains why. Still happy with my decision on the G2.
Thiesi - An LCD uses an electro-conductive liquid to construct letter or number characters (such as in a calculator), or RGB pixels (as in a smartphone display) in the latter, the entire display is back-lit, so that you can see what is put together...
Sure when we're talking tire pressure. However, not when your taking colors. The shade of green I see a grape to be may be different then the share of green you're used to.
dingovory False. How can you be sure that you both see the same type of colors? How can you be sure that green for you is not red for her? There truly is no way to be sure. However unlikely it is, it isn't really nonsense.
thespian302 My green may be your red, yes, but we all see the same shade of a color, because shade is determined by wavelength, which does not change for anyone. So what he said is indeed nonsense.
The burnout you told about AMOLED is ABSOLUTELY TRUE !! This happend to my motoRAZR XT910.I used to talk a lot in speakerphone & the display doesn't shut off. Whenever i see images I can easily notice the burnout of pixels.
Great work Erica Griffin ! Love that your RUclips videos are so in-depth, informative, thorough and unbiased. Any plans to review the mobile phones and tablet from Xiaomi? Thnx
Amazing presentation. I love the attention to detail. I know it's been said before, but no one has the same level of details in their reviews on youtube. You clearly have a talent! :)
The HTC one does not always lower the gamma. It only happens in direct sunlight to allow the user to actually view what they are trying to look at by making the screen as bright as possible
+1 Martin West Got a Samsung Galaxy S2 since it's release (until 2 weeks ago) and now replaced by an S7 edge. Just pointing that S2 to S7 have the display setting where you can put it to the BASIC setting which uses sRGB. It just happens to be not the default on the stock ROMs for these line up. I think this video didn't even go through that or remotely go close to mentioning it.
I have NEVER experienced burn in with my S3, when I first got it, the phone would get hot, but after a while or I think updates, it's very cool and the turned off pixels with black is very nice and the over saturated reds.
there is no description about the energy that is consumed by both the displays. I believe, energy consumption is one of the major aspects now as people tend to use their device for just a couple of years and then change it and both the lcd and the amoled has enough life to almost last that long without damage. displays being one of the most power hunger aspect.. i would like to see a comparison on amoled and lcd displays where there power consumption is taken into account as well!!
Although energy consumption is important, the screen resolution and battery play a bigger part in battery longevity. There is even variety within both screen types so I don't see that particular difference as all that notable beyond being fodder for tech heads.
Erica , there this app called "Screen Adjuster" and believe me it definitely helps you calibrate the colours on any screen to make it look however you want, I'm currently using it with my amoled HTC one S and I like it
Erica, very impressed by your breath of knowledge. I work in the field and in fact see engineers miss this type of info. Great job. I would add one thing that you should measure is first step out of black, AMOLED typically have a very large jump and that causes some of the banding problems that you typically don't have in LCD's it is a bit depth thing as well so I shouldn't say that as a blanket statement but you will see this if they are similar specs but purely technology comparisions between OLED and LCD.
Great video. I learned a lot about displays. I have a Galaxy S3 for over 3 years now. I use Waze whenever I drive and I noticed the burn in less than a year since I started using Waze regularly. It is most noticeable when the screen is displaying a uniform colour like the splash screen of Yahoo Weather. For most other times, I don't notice it too much unless I really look for it. It has not gotten so bad that it interferes with anything I am seeing. For images that do not have a uniform colour over a large part of the screen, it is not noticeable. Pictures look fine.
For your own personal use would the LG G2's display bother you? I know you gave the disclaimer at the beginning but I was just wondering because from most rewiews ive seen so far, people (who havent used equipment to test displays) say it is really nice.
As for how much power they both use, it is very debatable. Amoled has darker blacks because the pixels are off or only leak very very little light. LCD is able to create dark grey as black by letting very little light through the pixels from the backlight but its hardly black. The crystals twist to allow a certain amount of light. Since LCD gets brighter because of the backlight we get brighter whites but whiter is all about the backlight. Some LCD look overly blue actually.
You're like the doctor oz of cell phones. I have to say that I am so jealous of how many gadgets you get to wake up to everyday! XD It must be like Christmas everyday to you. Anyway, im a huge fan and long time subscriber, and I hope you do this forever because there's no one else id rather watch for an hour review. God bless
Erica, I just bought a Galaxy Note 3 and I will tell you I love this phone.However, After mentioning that AMOLED screens tend to burn in and image now I am having second thoughts. I have spent some time researching about the problem with AMOLED and it seems to me that the burn in problems occurred mainly to the early Galaxy S phones like S/S2. The problems were very minimal on the Galaxy S3 and 4. Do you thinking that Samsung has improved on preventing or minimizing the screen burn in.? I know several people who have Galaxy S3 and they have not experienced any screen burn in.
Screen burn-in's are super easy to fix with flashing color apps, just run that whilst you're sleeping and it will be fixed when you wake up. Pixel lines are also fixable with apps (or rather 1 app). So don't worry about amoled burn-in's anymore, they are not that big of a deal and almost never occur.
+The Antman that's very risky business and NOT a fix. All you are doing is wearing down the opposing parts of the screen and if you do it too long and don't know what you are doing you will have other PERMANENT image retention to deal with.
LG G4 and V10 with IPS LCD are going crazy with image retention and, LG are not recognizing it as a problem. Its super annoying. Bootloop and image retention... time to move on from LG.
Erica Griffin It fixed my phone though, but it did die a few months later although that probably had to do with a chip being exposed to the open air and getting moisture damage and basically frying the thing
The Antman I have people I know of that have burn-in issues and I recently went to a store recently and discovered that almost all the S7 test units have had burn in. Now I know that they have been turned on far longer than if you were to use the phone normally so it isn't an ideal thing but if your the type of person looking to keep a phone long term AMOLED may not be suitable. I fix phones and Samsung displays are a pain in the ass to remove manually
Tae-woong Seo Sony, Huawei, and Xiaomi have been making really great steps with LCD. Besides LG having those issues, their displays still remain inaccurately calibrated sigh
What screen testing app was that? I can find "LCD" testing apps, but i'd prefer one that actually turns on the blue LEDs, not just send a blue display signal to the screen.
As usual, your video rocks! I learn so much from you! When are you going to post your detailed review of samsung note 3? I'm dying to buy it but I want to hear your professional review first. :)
Does resolution really matter? Why does my s2 lower res screen look better than my ipad screen cause of amoled? I dont know its vibrant and crisp when playing hd movies on it than my ipad screen in max brightness
I don't have a Galaxy S4 but on my Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note 2, I believe the "Natural" mode is the intended "natural" mode - superior to "Standard" which is horribly oversaturated. My question: Is it possible that starting with the Galaxy S4 they "toned down" their saturation and that now "Standard" is roughly equivalent to the "Natural" mode from phones like the S2/S3/Note 2?
Erica or anyone here, I've noticed that older AMOLED screens and the display models of the galaxy s4 in stores get burn ins. What does it take to burn in an AMOLED screens?
I will have the iphone 5s starting tomorrow. I plan on reviewing that. Verizon phones are hard to get as they are CDMA and make an exclusive line. So they kinda get thrown under the table. Be expecting a review on that new iphone though :)
Great video! I was very impressed to see a woman talking about a subject like this as you definitely see many more guys talk about for phones. I feel like I understand screen technology much better and I can beware of buying an amoled screened phone in the future such as the Nexus 6. Sent from my LG G2 Verizon variant hahaha
I am aware of their auto adjust screen tone. I turn that off. Durp. I am also aware of dynamic contrast. I use screen test patterns that trick the dynamic contrast and prevent it from kicking in so that the response curve is at a default. And yes amoled has its auto throttling on this phone if you keep it on for some time or on certain content. Tsk to you. I factor around these things. Do you?
Great video. But, you missed the most important aspect of an AMOLED. Near-zero black points giving it an almost infinite contrast ratio...
***** but not deep enough
Yet, an amoled gives a 0 black.
Fine.
I know right? I can barley tell when my Lumia is on at times because I'm watching a dark video.
Lel. I bought an S7. Love the amoled. Goregous 1440p amoled.
I can't quite understand why you are stating LG and HTC are trying to make their displays look like AMOLED. They are simply trying to give a perfect viewing experience. Oh wait, I forgot, anything that ISN'T Samsung, must be copying Samsung. Right?
Both LCD and AMOLED suck, CRT for the win!!
Crt monitors get burn in fastert than amoled
I seriously laughed out loud after reading that. XD
I am building a "rift" with a CRT
You all fail to realize that Etch-a-Sketch displays are absolutely, hands-down, the best displays in existence.
Spoony Spooner BWAHAHAHA, AMOLED worse than CRT? BWAHAHAHA
Amoled displays are awesome for multimedia
Movies like batman with lots of dark background look absolutely gorgeous on them
Once you get used to those colours LCDs just dont cut it
Only where LCDs are better is during web browsing but only marginally
But movies games photos look absolutely gorgeous on amoled
Exactly,the only downfall to AMOLED displays is displaying black text on a pure white background (internet browsing) because it uses a pentile matrix where green sunpixels can effect the area around the black text
Lucas Chermont but that can't match true blacks on AMOLEDs because blacks on LCD's still supported by a backlight LED which makes blacks somehow whiter or washed
On AMOLEDs individual pixels are turned off when displaying blacks ;)
Lucas Chermont I understand your point. But for some big TV screens, some companies put LCD dynamic contrast on by default. I really dislike that. I don't like that they dim the back light for darker black... Just a personal preference like Erica said...
agreed. just get cyanogenmod and install a black theme and you're good to go.
+sebastian fox yeah, and screen burn.
I personally love the over saturated colors of Amoled. Natural LCD is boring and flat like real life. I love bright colors .
If all the colors are evenly shifted, it should just end up being too bright. OLED screens use a lot less battery power and that is a big advantage with a phone. If they can get the cost down and bad pixel rate down and make them last longer, I think they will overtake the market over time, though they are probably using LEDs now as a back light which does use much less energy than the old cold lights they used to use as a back lighting source. EDIT: I have a gamepark WIZ with an OLED screen and it's like 8 or 9 years old now and though there a couple of dead pixels, I haven't noticed any blue burn. Of course, this is a gaming system and doesn't use static screens for hours on end. Over time, I do think OLED screens will become the standard. My iPod touch 4 has bleeding in the screen now though it is not physically damaged or cracked. It's not like LCD screens last forever.
I love the punchy colors of amoled. It makes everything look more alive and nicer to look at.
Yup! AMOLED's lively colors don't make me bored when simply staring at the screen to admire it. When i get bored, i just stare at my screen and simply admire my handset.
Erica, this video is fantastic!! I wish other channel's would go this in-depth and do such a professional job tackling the technical subjects of smartphones. I always feel excited when I learn something new like I just did from your video.
I prefer this girl to any other display technology (OLED included) today.
lollllllllllll
nah, she talks way too much.
I have a solution for that, but wont tell... ;)
@@Saturnthroughstars Lol......thats what I say!!!!!!
You are the most animated person I've ever seen in my life.
Makes your videos that much more enjoyable!
As of Galaxy S5, you can customise your colours in the settings menu. Amoled all the way!
Extremely good feature Erica Griffin . You're is possibly the best video about mobile display types that I've ever seen. I find that people tend to learn certain the common characteristics of display types and then assume incorrectly that those idiosyncrasies apply to every device using that technology. As you know very well there are very few absolute rules which always apply. Let's hope it's not too long before Android gains effective and good colour management.
"This content is not meant to cause envy"
Her job is already enough to cause to cause me envy.
Now I understand what is this line about on the top of my Note 4.
I was a fan of AMOLED screens until I experienced burn in! If there is one thing I hate more than dead pixels, its burn in! Don't think I will ever own another AMOLED display!
waht did you do to burn in your screen damn
Didn't do a thing. Its just the way the android GUI is designed. Because the status bar is black it leaves a blue mark at the top of the screen.
For me it was the black clippings/crush, watching a horror movie with dark scenery was almost completely pitch black
I've bought Nokia N9 with AMOLED screen a few years ago. I'm using it constantly and I don't see any signs of burn-it.
these people like to keep their screens on 24hours a day thats why
You're EXTREMELY balanced, knowledgeable, and most importantly, WISE when it comes to what you do! I will forever respect that!
amoled wins for me.
It's a superior technology. For me the only down side is that it burns out. Still, I love the screen of my Note 5.
To Athánatos All problems are fixable, and so are burn-in's. Look around on youtube a bit for a solution and you will most likely find it
To Athánatos lcd burns in too when using still images long time. thats why computer screens has screensaver.
Iceman 75 that's not with LCD.
It's those CRT monitors that screen savers were designed for.
THANK YOU. Glad I found a sensible reviewer, really hard to find. Can't wait to watch camera comparisons by you.
Please make a comparison of how dark the blacks are in complete darkness! The reason I switched from LCD to AMOLED is because I got blinded by a black screen at lowest brightness by the LCD backlight! That was a few years ago I want to see if it's improved.
am i the only one here who loves the way samsung WAY over saturates the images? i love having really bright colors that jump out at me.
Erica, you mentioned Android doesn't have color management, but what about the different "screen modes" on Samsung devices? Do the algorithms used to change the "screen mode" (adapt, dynamic, etc.) count as color management, or are they a function of something different? Thank you for your amazing videos, you're one of the few people that has genuine understanding of the SCIENCE behind technology.
OLED displays are superior in my opinion because not only can you get better power consumption, but you are able to calibrate the display to get 'natural' colors, as well as have the option to make colors ultra vibrant. Basically, OLED displays give you more options than LCD displays.
I'm glad you answered the act that AMOLED displays "burn" out, bc I had the very first Galaxy S with TMobile and I started to notice over time my screen became dinner by the day. I was so frustrated.
Anything seems juz ok to normal users..
you couldn't be more right lol.
So Erica, thanks for the video, but I've got three questions for you:
1.: how were the measurements taken? Did you generate images which filled the whole screen or were the images just filling part of the screen?
2.: what kind of instrument did you use to take these measurements? Was it a spectophotometer or a colorimeter?
3.: lastly, if the images used to measure filled the whole screen, how can you tell if gamma on the HTC1 wasn't altered between bright and black (dynamic contrast)?
Every display is an AMOLED if you're high enough
Thanks for this informative video on AMOLED and LCDs. Though I agree with your conclusion, I guess by now we can definitively say that AMOLED has won the war, at least in terms of flagship devices. In addition, software these days allow for tweaking of color temperature. It's still a shame though because the advantages of AMOLED, mainly being the power efficiency, isn't enough to overcome the weaknesses for me, them being the burn-in issue, and the subsequent flickering method they use to address that issue. Bad for the eyes (well, at least worse than LCD). People say their phones do not have burn-in, but as you said, burn-in is inevitable. I don't care much for color, so the LCD is the clear choice for me, which means my next phone's going to be an LG.
Thank you again for the informative video, even though I'm 3 years late lol.
there's default/movie/natural setting in the samsung options. default is over saturated, movie is over saturated less, natural is just about right. burn in? stop running it so bright and turn screen off when not in use. 18mnth old phone no burn in.
LCDs have transistors that fail preventing the twisted pneumatic liquid crystal from responding how it is supposed to. And lately I have seen something else strange with LCD burn in. But it's too early to report on this as it seems like entirely new behavior. My point with blue pixel burn in is that it happens much faster in relation to what happens to LCD i have seen thus far.
I really love AMOLED displays. they just look so beautiful. Especially on the GS4.
I find myself turning on my GS4 just to stare at the display.
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I just completely agree with you. The screen is so beautiful! And it's great that it doesn't look inaccurate at all. I'm not a fan boy, but I just can't imagine any manufacturer making better displays than the S4 one. I just wish it was more bright, it's the only down side for me.
I actually have an LG G2 now because my S4 broke, and I STILL think the S4 looks better lol
That's REALLY interesting! haha
But what about speed/fluidity and interface?
I use cyanogenmod so its basically the same thing to me. the G2 feels a lot higher quality, and I love the really thin bezel.
An updated version of the same topic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Omg it feels like she's touching my face 6:51 ...
I feel so awkward
+MarquisProdz LOL
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I started watching this video thinking, " Lets see what this girl could possibly tell me about screen technology." Me being a screen enthusiast i must say, even though i knew about everything you said, you did an absolutely fantastic job of explaining your points and am hugely impressed. Will you marry me?
Personally, as of the galaxy s5 , AMOLED is king.
I have the LG G2 and I'm Ok with the display being a little oversaturated but the one thing you forgot to mention about LCD screens is that they can have backlight bleed. I can notice it on my LG G2, even though it's just a tiny line at the top of the screen and it isn't too noticable, but still, knowing it's there makes me quite obsessed about it. And I've tried returning it, but the place I got it from said that it is supposed to be that way. I also read that on the internet, though the articles suggested that it would only be visible if I tilted the screen and saw it from a different angle. But when I look at the screen while watching a movie, the top kinda glows more and that is what made me notice it. I wish I had noticed it when I first opened the box.
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A LCD panel will also emit full light all over the screen at all time and there for age evenly. Unlike OLED LCD darkens the pixel by blocking the light. The blue pixels are smaller by size then green and red because of the blue colour is of a shorter wavelength.
Erica Griffin If a movie is made with adobeRGB profile, would the colours look more correct on the S4?
Yeah I don't want to buy a dimmer display that portrays whites as a dim off white tinted yellow/green that will burn in over time. Don't believe me go to Best Buy and compare the Galaxy Tab S 10.1 (new) amoled and the Note Pro Tab 12.2 (new) IPS and you'll see how much more vibrant, bright, accurate, and overall better the IPS display is. My first and last amoled was the Note 2 and I hated it, promptly switched it out for an HTC DNA with an IPS display, also had an iPhone 5, Galaxy camera, Nexus 10, and Asus laptop with IPS displays and none of them have trouble displaying blacks, this was a problem with cheaper older TFT LCDs and all are very bright and obviously don't burn in. Amoled simply cannot compete with a bright, sharp, well calibrated IPS display, in other ones, NOT a cheap one, HTC/Sony/Apple/LG/even Samsung makes beautiful IPS displays.
Those phones are on all the time of course there gonna burn Amoled tends to burn if on for long periods of time (longer than 8hours a day) and at the same image. Amoled is still the best display out there as it has punch colors. If u didn't like Amoled then good for you everyone has many preference
Compare Amoled to a Mercedes. You have to take good care of it or it will brake down
Went to get a new phone at Verizon today, was actually excited to get the Note 4 after hearing how crisp the whites were and how accurate the color temperature and white point was compared to older amoleds. While it was a lot better I was disappointed to see that side by side with the LCD Z3V and HTC One M8 it STILL is dimmer and has a greenish tint. After seeing a store model S5 and G Flex with terrible burn in this pushes me from the small advantages of higher contrast and "more saturation". The IPS still looked better period and Im walking out of here today with a Z3v. I guess some people just prefer certain displays, I cant get over that greenish white.
You cannot fix physical screen burn in you fucking idiot and I use my phone on maximum brightness all the time especially outdoors only time i turn it down is in very low light like sitting in near to pitch darkness or being outside at night.
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if the burn-in happened will that stay forever?
Wow just discovered you and your channel, through the moto g videos... Since I'm a viusal artist and a nerd myself, your really indepth videos about the screens are soooo precious and informative... You just got a new subscriber nice lady! Reeaaaly enjoying the depth of your content!
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Saw a Galaxy S7 & S7 Edge yesterday. Won't do that thing ever again - even the standard Google search widget has a purple line on top and a green line on its bottom much like a chromatic aberration, even at 40cm viewing distance. White is not completely white, too. Don't try to tell me that at 1440p it wouldn't matter much - I stated my experiences. 441ppi RGB LCD still looks better, although it's truly not as power efficient at black display content. Still, Amoled is actually way more inefficient than LCD at creating white/bright colours. So I'll have to wait for something that is as awesome as a Galaxy SII once was or my HTC One M8 still is.
I love amoled screens, but GOD DAMN PENTILE MAKES MY EYES HURT
+valentin Verra i've got 3 :D
Wow, really impressed with the narrative that is to the point and not making things overly complicated while dealing with a subject that is highly technical in nature. Thoroughly enjoyed the 15 minutes of absolute eye opener and thanks a lot!
Holy crap, when you put your hair up you look VERY similar to Ariana Grande...
Twatty McNoodle - I was thinking the same thing.
Twatty McNoodle i thought the same lol
Me too!
stoopppppp lol
Except for her big ass cheeks.
Go to the screen setting on the s4 and you can change the screen saturation to movie or a professional photo mode and it definitely makes the display very neutral and less saturated.. but if you like the colors put it on dynamic...
Patronising disclaimer is patronising.
AMOLED Burn's in over time and the phosphorus wear's out and the screen starts to loose it brightness and I find yellow and Bright orange tend to burn in the most. This shows most effectively on my S5 as it is my oldest phone going on 3 years now.
Mbit Gbit and that takes time, you buy a new phone before that... the brightnes drops level of lcd tops in time.. 4 years with same amoled now, and still bright and good colours...
Amoled Burns in like Gas plasma
your brain burns idiot...
At least he has a brain, unlike you.
It does indeed. Samsung Note 2 and Galaxy S5... both useless after 2 years. That's unacceptable.
AnderDoUrden Only the first amoleds burn in. I still have my Note 3 and after almost 3 years still no burn in. I dont know what you guys do with your phones.. even sleep with it and use it 10hours constantly every day or what lol
But gas plasma recovers.
It's cool to have that ability but without a colorimeter to messure the response curve as you tweak it...it's not saying much....
No matter what you say, LG G2 has a gorgeous display.
One of the ever finest description for the comparison of LCD and AMOLED.
Specially the colour gaumet comparison was fab........
Never liked that samsung design and I actually dont like saturated colors either.
But I love Sony Xperia Z :)
I say so myself as well. I have always preferred Sony smartphones over Samsung.
Retina display 😂😂😂
Truly truly informative. Most tech tubers give the gamut chart and 90% of the people have no clue what that is. This video will surely serve as a good tutorial for them.
All of this is irrelevant
I think you are confused. I said 100% green for sRGB is simply the max coordinate for this color (0,255,0). I split the amount in an arbitrary percentage interval, hence 25% to try to explain that the coordinate that belongs with 50% green is boosted to 75%. What don't you get??? If green is outside sRGB it only matters if the content was designed for sRGB. So a dot outside sRGB green is, just say 125%. That will look very odd for sRGB content.
ips lcs is by far superior to the inferior amoled it has natural colors (better colors) , sharper, doesnt have burn in issue, cheaper, less harm to the eyes , better look facing the sun, brighter white and Better battery efficient , amoled saves battery but that only in black while on white bg it drains battery faster than ips and most used pps like social apps youtube searching the browser all of themhas white bg so in reality ips saves battery since it consumption for battery is constant and if amoled has deaper black ips has brighter white and as i said most usaed apps has white bg so ips is better in both look and functionality
the best AMOLED display (s7) is far superior compared to the best LCD display (g5).
+Restless G. How does the G5 display compare to the iPhone 6s Plus?
Huawei p9 has best lcd and overall screen with ips lcd beo that los zero quality when viewing it from any abgle
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+Mr Droid If you were to only write the first statement, that would be more believable. But once I read the second statement, it looks like you haven't used a Plus iPhone yet.
Your videos are awesome, Erica Griffin. Very accurate and good explanations. I always forward your videos to people when I want them to get more information on a specific topic. Thanks for your awesome work!
I keep hearing her say the primary colors are red blue and green. When I went to school they were red blue and yellow. Blue and yellow make green.
+Wendy Macqueen additive vs subtractive primaries. You are talking about subtractive color mixing with pigments. I'm talking about color mixing with light. Anyhow, it's been updated that yellow, Magenta, and cyan are the true subtractive primaries. Though it's still taught to students in art class that blue, red, and yellow are the primaries. But the way that the electromagnetic spectrum works yellow, Magenta and cyan is more accurate, covering more of the visible spectrum.
actually, in pc world almost everything is made of red-green-blue for example:
code for red is FF0000 F-means full, so its full red and no green, no blue
light has different set of primary colours to pigment colours.
It depends on how the colour works. Pigments work by absorbing particular light based colours, and reflecting the rest. While light is just the colours that were reflected. So its a bit different
I bought the S2 and never looked back cause I prefer AMOLED. Black should be black not gray which looks bad. Amoled has almost zero response time. Amoled has very wide contrast.
I was sold on AMOLED when I saw it the colors are so gorgeous.
Ok. Erica I am deeply sorry. I never though a you could review better than the rest of the people out there.
I was even skeptical from watching the video.
BUT WOW!
You were actually crisp and clear and I understood what those technical terms finally mean.
THANK YOU MUCH.
Lots of love 😁
+1 subscriber.
People Speak about Burnin on oled phones, but on my 4 years old samsung galaxy s3 There is 0% burnin visible.
I had an S3 since August of 2013 (I got a OnePlus 3 recently), and burn-in hadn't ever crossed my mind. I never noticed a thing.
Soon 5 years old s3 and still 0% burn in. Maybe I got lucky. Europe version. I have not heard from anyone I know to seen burn in on oled phones.
And the phone this old most people will not be using it anymore. I still think its nothing to worry about when deciding to buy a phone. Oled tv's on the other hand, when usage will be like 15 years then I would worry about burn in.
I have a blue burn in slightly in the notification bar, BUT THE DARK BLACK IS WORTH THE TRADE OFF!!
My LG Stylo 2 got a screen burn once (LCD display)
The information you gave about LCD was for TN (twisted nematic) screens. Both the LG G2 and HTC one use IPS (In-Plane Switching) LCD screens which are far superior to TN and *capable* of being very accurate. I also believe what you were seeing with the measured gamma curve is a relatively standard S-curve applied that makes standard RGB appear to have a little more depth, or "pop" (correct me if I'm wrong, just taking a guess). When I compared the G2 to the S4 at the store, a white screen actually looked green on the S4, so thanks for doing this comparison that actually explains why. Still happy with my decision on the G2.
LOL - what's an "LCD display"?
Thiesi "Liquid Crystal Display"
Interesting. What's an "LCD" then?
Thiesi - An LCD uses an electro-conductive liquid to construct letter or number characters (such as in a calculator), or RGB pixels (as in a smartphone display) in the latter, the entire display is back-lit, so that you can see what is put together...
Thanks. Now, please re-answer my original question.
All gadget nowday using amoled and ips.. amoled= led or oled ips= lcd
With 4 years having passed since your review, do you have any additional insights into LCD vs (Super) Amoled?
"Accurate" is relative to the viewer.. Its whatever you like.
AMOLED ftw!
Sure when we're talking tire pressure. However, not when your taking colors. The shade of green I see a grape to be may be different then the share of green you're used to.
Ronnie Dockery -,- Nonsense
dingovory False. How can you be sure that you both see the same type of colors? How can you be sure that green for you is not red for her? There truly is no way to be sure. However unlikely it is, it isn't really nonsense.
thespian302 My green may be your red, yes, but we all see the same shade of a color, because shade is determined by wavelength, which does not change for anyone. So what he said is indeed nonsense.
The burnout you told about AMOLED is ABSOLUTELY TRUE !!
This happend to my motoRAZR XT910.I used to talk a lot in speakerphone & the display doesn't shut off. Whenever i see images I can easily notice the burnout of pixels.
I LIKE THE LCD BETTER!
Great work Erica Griffin !
Love that your RUclips videos are so in-depth, informative, thorough and unbiased. Any plans to review the mobile phones and tablet from Xiaomi? Thnx
oh god u talk alot
You really hit the nail on this forever ongoing discussion,and the
it would help if you had a blonde person translate
Amazing presentation. I love the attention to detail. I know it's been said before, but no one has the same level of details in their reviews on youtube. You clearly have a talent! :)
The HTC one does not always lower the gamma. It only happens in direct sunlight to allow the user to actually view what they are trying to look at by making the screen as bright as possible
+1 Martin West
Got a Samsung Galaxy S2 since it's release (until 2 weeks ago) and now replaced by an S7 edge. Just pointing that S2 to S7 have the display setting where you can put it to the BASIC setting which uses sRGB. It just happens to be not the default on the stock ROMs for these line up. I think this video didn't even go through that or remotely go close to mentioning it.
I have NEVER experienced burn in with my S3, when I first got it, the phone would get hot, but after a while or I think updates, it's very cool and the turned off pixels with black is very nice and the over saturated reds.
there is no description about the energy that is consumed by both the displays. I believe, energy consumption is one of the major aspects now as people tend to use their device for just a couple of years and then change it and both the lcd and the amoled has enough life to almost last that long without damage. displays being one of the most power hunger aspect.. i would like to see a comparison on amoled and lcd displays where there power consumption is taken into account as well!!
Although energy consumption is important, the screen resolution and battery play a bigger part in battery longevity. There is even variety within both screen types so I don't see that particular difference as all that notable beyond being fodder for tech heads.
Does the Oled Display burn in quickly ? How long does it take it to burn in? What can i do about it ? thanks for your answer
This is, by far, the most informative video about phone screens I've seen. Awesome!
Very educational. You are quite knowledgeable on displays, way more than any other RUclips channel I have seen any way. Great job on the video.
Erica , there this app called "Screen Adjuster" and believe me it definitely helps you calibrate the colours on any screen to make it look however you want, I'm currently using it with my amoled HTC one S and I like it
That's coming next. I am testing out the battery life.
Erica, very impressed by your breath of knowledge. I work in the field and in fact see engineers miss this type of info. Great job. I would add one thing that you should measure is first step out of black, AMOLED typically have a very large jump and that causes some of the banding problems that you typically don't have in LCD's it is a bit depth thing as well so I shouldn't say that as a blanket statement but you will see this if they are similar specs but purely technology comparisions between OLED and LCD.
Its 2016 and I still have my Little LG G2 and its still kicking pretty good
You're awesome Erica! The most professional and accurate info on youtube, you freaking rock girl!
Great video. I learned a lot about displays. I have a Galaxy S3 for over 3 years now. I use Waze whenever I drive and I noticed the burn in less than a year since I started using Waze regularly. It is most noticeable when the screen is displaying a uniform colour like the splash screen of Yahoo Weather. For most other times, I don't notice it too much unless I really look for it. It has not gotten so bad that it interferes with anything I am seeing. For images that do not have a uniform colour over a large part of the screen, it is not noticeable. Pictures look fine.
For your own personal use would the LG G2's display bother you? I know you gave the disclaimer at the beginning but I was just wondering because from most rewiews ive seen so far, people (who havent used equipment to test displays) say it is really nice.
As for how much power they both use, it is very debatable. Amoled has darker blacks because the pixels are off or only leak very very little light. LCD is able to create dark grey as black by letting very little light through the pixels from the backlight but its hardly black. The crystals twist to allow a certain amount of light. Since LCD gets brighter because of the backlight we get brighter whites but whiter is all about the backlight. Some LCD look overly blue actually.
You're like the doctor oz of cell phones. I have to say that I am so jealous of how many gadgets you get to wake up to everyday! XD It must be like Christmas everyday to you. Anyway, im a huge fan and long time subscriber, and I hope you do this forever because there's no one else id rather watch for an hour review. God bless
Love getting my geek on over the nitty-gritty of mobile tech! Well done Erica!
Erica, I just bought a Galaxy Note 3 and I will tell you I love this phone.However, After mentioning that AMOLED screens tend to burn in and image now I am having second thoughts.
I have spent some time researching about the problem with AMOLED and it seems to me that the burn in problems occurred mainly to the early Galaxy S phones like S/S2. The problems were very minimal on the Galaxy S3 and 4.
Do you thinking that Samsung has improved on preventing or minimizing the screen burn in.?
I know several people who have Galaxy S3 and they have not experienced any screen burn in.
How to i acces the diagnostics thing on my Galaxy s3 mini at 12:54
Mihai - Cristian Olteanu nu inteleg, mai explica-mi te rog inca o data, am si eu un s3 mini
Screen burn-in's are super easy to fix with flashing color apps, just run that whilst you're sleeping and it will be fixed when you wake up. Pixel lines are also fixable with apps (or rather 1 app). So don't worry about amoled burn-in's anymore, they are not that big of a deal and almost never occur.
+The Antman that's very risky business and NOT a fix. All you are doing is wearing down the opposing parts of the screen and if you do it too long and don't know what you are doing you will have other PERMANENT image retention to deal with.
LG G4 and V10 with IPS LCD are going crazy with image retention and, LG are not recognizing it as a problem. Its super annoying. Bootloop and image retention... time to move on from LG.
Erica Griffin It fixed my phone though, but it did die a few months later although that probably had to do with a chip being exposed to the open air and getting moisture damage and basically frying the thing
The Antman I have people I know of that have burn-in issues and I recently went to a store recently and discovered that almost all the S7 test units have had burn in.
Now I know that they have been turned on far longer than if you were to use the phone normally so it isn't an ideal thing but if your the type of person looking to keep a phone long term AMOLED may not be suitable. I fix phones and Samsung displays are a pain in the ass to remove manually
Tae-woong Seo Sony, Huawei, and Xiaomi have been making really great steps with LCD. Besides LG having those issues, their displays still remain inaccurately calibrated sigh
Thanks for the wild range of information you gave on LCD vs AMOLED make clearly my decision making on which to buy and use
What screen testing app was that? I can find "LCD" testing apps, but i'd prefer one that actually turns on the blue LEDs, not just send a blue display signal to the screen.
Erica I look forward to seeing your tests on the "Quantum Dot" display of the g4 and how it Stacks up against the 2015 Amoled screens
As usual, your video rocks! I learn so much from you! When are you going to post your detailed review of samsung note 3? I'm dying to buy it but I want to hear your professional review first. :)
Does resolution really matter? Why does my s2 lower res screen look better than my ipad screen cause of amoled? I dont know its vibrant and crisp when playing hd movies on it than my ipad screen in max brightness
I don't have a Galaxy S4 but on my Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note 2, I believe the "Natural" mode is the intended "natural" mode - superior to "Standard" which is horribly oversaturated. My question: Is it possible that starting with the Galaxy S4 they "toned down" their saturation and that now "Standard" is roughly equivalent to the "Natural" mode from phones like the S2/S3/Note 2?
Erica or anyone here, I've noticed that older AMOLED screens and the display models of the galaxy s4 in stores get burn ins. What does it take to burn in an AMOLED screens?
you should because in deciding which phone you should purchase you need to know if the phone you want looks good in sunlight or in the dark.
I will have the iphone 5s starting tomorrow. I plan on reviewing that. Verizon phones are hard to get as they are CDMA and make an exclusive line. So they kinda get thrown under the table. Be expecting a review on that new iphone though :)
Great video! I was very impressed to see a woman talking about a subject like this as you definitely see many more guys talk about for phones. I feel like I understand screen technology much better and I can beware of buying an amoled screened phone in the future such as the Nexus 6. Sent from my LG G2 Verizon variant hahaha
I am aware of their auto adjust screen tone. I turn that off. Durp. I am also aware of dynamic contrast. I use screen test patterns that trick the dynamic contrast and prevent it from kicking in so that the response curve is at a default. And yes amoled has its auto throttling on this phone if you keep it on for some time or on certain content. Tsk to you. I factor around these things. Do you?
No color management on Android? Cyanogenmod has it