VW Id.3 First Edition Plus - Smart Cruise Control
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ID3 equipment configuration includes a front radar sensor, front camera, two rear radar sensors and eight ultrasound sensors monitor the area around the car, that allows AutoPilot level 3 thanks to those inputs articulated with 6 of ID3 equipments.
ID3 based in the principle of isolated memories and applications is designed as a wide service platform. This greatly simplifies an exchange of data and functions between the involved systems » Auto.Cruise Control on + Lane Assist on+ Side Assist+Breaking Assist+Eco Assistance (standard system that evaluates the navigation data and the road signs detected by the camera). This car is more tecky than the brand new C class.
ACC is amazing, very smart and gives you good information by the speedo. The information gives you confidence in it. In the Tesla it was hard to know what the car was doing with ACC on, so I had little confidence in it.
That's interesting feature. Here we have many roads where that would be really helpful. Thanks.
I love this feature 🥳
Great feature! Thanks for this review. Makes me even more interested in getting myself a test drive ...
Luv the addition headband GoPro to provide us folks with more info Chris!! Happy that you and Cindy are lucky - and early - owners ;-)
I think that you may find a chest harness for the Go Pro might be better.
That's really cool! I've never seen that before! Thanks Chris!
Tesla
Wow, this is fascinating, I had no idea CC as advanced this much. So we now have :-
Dumb CC : The car just goes at the fixed speed regardless.
Adaptive CC : The car uses radar/cameras to reduce speed to the car in front.
Predictive CC : The car uses map data to reduce speed for corners and junctions.
Terminology from here www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/driver-assist/cruise-control
Yes, obviously not new. Tesla had this for years. The Model 3 has it since also from the beginning, 3 years ago and at similar price range (46k€ for a Model 3 SR+) but good to see the German trying to catch up.
i love this feature! i use it a lot with my max. Also the autosteering works really good with the travel assist at the same time if the road has clear visible lines or borders (wich is possible most of the time)
2k to go ... to make the 10 k subscriber - not that far away compared to 1 month ago cracking 5 k
Love the video again Chris, I've noticed that my Kona does this and I'm sure it's controlled by the sat nav.
I really like the interior at night. The lighting looks great.
Love your channel, especially these short ones which tell us new and exciting features that are not obvious.
Another every button explained (like the Kona one you did ages ago) ?
Cant wait for the next video, keep it up.
Thanks. Id.3 has almost no buttons anymore. But maybe.
@@BatteryLife Well you know what I mean, every feature explained and where it is in the menus ...
All VW need now is to add input from the auto wipers to slow down more and/or sooner when its raining. That would be superb!
Yes that would be very fine. Trouble is to depend on the rain sensor could be a problem as the roads are generally the worst condition in the few minutes rain begins and if it is a quick downpour then the wipers would stop but the road be quite slippery. A higher function would need to deploy image tracking using the camera to help better determine conditions. But I too am glad to see this improvement as it seems to approach Tesla-ish functionality for a People’s car.
Nice video, thanks Chris :)
What a nice feature!
Great videos. It has been interesting to follow you highlighting new functionality in your car. We are hanging out for our ID.4 (need to carry lots of bikes everywhere otherwise it could have been a 3). Does the predictive AAC work well for roundabouts and junctions? Also, in your video regarding the online manual there was some information on automatic lane changes. Could you demonstrate/elaborate a little more on that?
Keep up the good work!
Hello Chris you look funny with gopro ,i have noticed same things in ACC , its information from navigation / or Eco Mode I think , same happend on roads in town with junctions and roundabout ahead . well can you tell something about charging &preheating or cooling the battery when you hook up on hypercharger on left side in main screen under home button afan with heating element underneath
thanks have a nice weekend & greetings
Cool. Nice video.
You are a lucky guy with this car. 😉
I wondered what the Dynamic Road Sign Display was when I saw it on my ID.4 configuration. Cool to see it in action. I think the rain and/or glare off the signs in the headlights might have hindered it somewhat.
Matt from carwow mounted a go pro for his review. You should check it out. :)
i'm not a english speaker,forgive me.
i test a lot of cars equiped with acc even autodrive.
usually, if a bend is winding too much, acc system can't get through by itself , acc will exit and ask you take over the steeling.
so , i guess id3 can't get through the bend at the speed of 86km/h , it slow down the speed to 55km/h (acc can pass this bend with this speed)
it's really smart
i think this is a better solution than acc exit itself...
I've never seen regular ACC exit on its own, as it wouldn't care about road types/curves.
I think VW had this road-aware ACC first on Passat/Arteon (2017)
That is very interesting. Just wondering what happens on icy roads. Would it cope with those conditions?
Research the company HERE Technologies. Thats where they get this Information from, and its basically an HD-Map with self healing capabilities.
Basically this:
1. Import data from goverment databases on road-structures and analyze bends. This is the base rule towards those bends, and thats what you are experiencing now.
2. Utilize the car fleet to update the map continiously. As more and more cars with this technology arrive on the roads, the more it will flag errors. Like if you don't like the speed towards your work every day, and press the speed to go at 60kph instead of 55kph in a specific bend, then the system will flag it. If more and more people do the same thing, then they upgrade the map, and somewhere you will experience that the map alerts you on the same bend to go 60 instead of the previous 55. Same with differences between rain and dry roads. If you always adjust the system when its raining at a specific turn, and more people are doing the same, then a new variable would be introduced to show two different speeds on that bend based on the rain sensor. 60kph on dry roads and 55kph on wet roads for example.
3. When winter arrives, it will function the same way. If a specific bend have a high amount of cars activating ABS or gets over/under steer, the system will update and "heal" it self to learn how the roads should be driven at below or close at 0 degrees.
4. If a vehicle have had an accident, and there is oil spillage for example, the first car that activates ABS will activate the trigger. The system will then ask all cars going towards that area to record whats happening for analysis. If them all activate ABS or the driver takes over to slow down, then the map will be updated with analysis of whats going on (if the system can analyse it them self, then find, or else the trigger creates a check to be analyzed manually). Suddenly you'll get a message saying "oil-spill ahead" and the car will act accordingly. So the more cars who have this, the more frequent the updates will be to fit each and every specific situation and the HD-Map thus this system will always improve.
The errors with the wrong pathing and signs is the lack of cars not updating the pathing. So its actually better to utilize the system, but to be aware of its behaviour so that it can trigger the event, and thus be fixed for later. Alternatively, go to HERE Studio system, and check if the errors are there manually, and update it and alert the company to fix it. You'll find tutorials for this on their YT channel.
Well, thanks...I have to give it a try...Hopefully it works in Austria as well...;-)...
What does the manual say: do they take map data, visual input (if so, lane markings or traffic sign recognition) or something else?
Hi, I enjoy your videos. Great while waiting for my ID.3. I read that it works with roundabouts as well. Did you test that?
Not yet.
Chris could you ask Cindy to drive behind you when you are driving like this on that stretch of the road to check what your brake lights are doing.
Break lights come on when a certain deceleration with regen is achieved.
I heard you about only has 5 spearker in the id3. The manual that i read ( in Spain) says default audio system whit 7 spearker. The premium system is whit 9 . So you can claim to vw to instal a 2 backdoor speaker.I will do as soon a i recive my id3 Pro-Live next week.
I don't need speakers in the back. I am fine.
I have this on my VW Passat. It is useful on small roads like this. But a couple of times I have used it on motorway doing 110 kmh when it braked quite hard. One time it thought I was doing a exit from the motorway and braked from 110 to 50. The other time I drove under a bridge that has a roundabout. It thought I was going in to the roundabout and braked for it, but I cancelled it. Luckaly both times no one was close behind me. So use with care. I will test it on the same stretch when I get my id.3 to see if there is any difference.
No drive assist system will be able react to every situation....so it is essential that a human driver is always prepared to take over. Or you might end up like a Tesla driver who crashed into a white truck. He was very lucky ....ruclips.net/video/LfmAG4dk-rU/видео.html
Nice! Could you or any of your viewers show me how to disable the autochanging of the speed in the rest of the cases that you mentioned you disabled? Thanks
Assist/ Acc/ speed preview
Cool.
I would be interested how it handles roundabouts
What Travel Assist does more which in not in First Edition Plus?
I'm pretty sure the Mini Cooper SE you tested also had a similar feature. I've seen BMW i3 reducing automatically the Cruise Control speed on tight bends even with the basic cruise control.
Very possible. I never noticed it before.
@@BatteryLife The biggest difference against the competitors is that the ID3 clearly displays on the screen what it's doing. All other cars may do something similar but won't explain to the driver what's happening.
@@Catacang what does it display?
Pretty cool , Chris ! As for driving in the rain , the ID-3 that I test drove in the rain had Conti Ecosport tyres I think . They were very good for grip/ roadholding. What tyres do you have on your car ?
19 inch
Very impressive, like a limited Porsche InnoDrive. 😉
something I dislike with LED headlight is how they reflect too much on road signs, some fancier headlight adjust power accordingly
Taycan can do the same. Intelligent speed adjust before bends. Great isn’t it?
The Taycan belongs to the same company... they're basically the same car. ;)
hi chris. can u tell me what‘s the size of the wiper？（maybe 32 inch？）thank you
No idea. It is long!!!
Ha! I knew you will end up with a GoPro on a headband!
My MAX would even have steered through every turn while I just touch the steering wheel with one finger on the outside for a while.
nice! how's the traction with the rain? when mine comes I will have winter tires on it immediately. what tires do you have?
19 inch. Sport mode cannot put the torque on a very wet road, esp kicks in.
Why is the car (5.17 min) not dimming the lights automatically? Ligt sign is on the dash is blue
It's from GPS map. It standard in Mercedes example
Is this included on all the ID3 models?
When it has ACC. Yes.
Thanks for the video! Nice to see that the ID.3 now also has this feature to reduce speed before sharp turns. Teslas have been able to do this for years.
Tipp zum Video, ich würde das Stirnband Video durch einen Video Stabilisierung laufen lassen. 🙂
Das bringt nix wenn man den Kopf bewegt. Ich muß mich einfach still halten.
@@BatteryLife es bringt schon eine Verbesserung. Nicht 100% aber merklich. Die von (Android) Google Foto funktioniert erstaunlich gut.
I am hooked on a Tesla Model Y, but it could end up being a ID.4 (because of the tow hitch) The plan is to get a new car in three years.
Both great cars for sure. But I thought that Model Y can tow more than ID.4 (1000kg vs. ~1600kg) 🤔.
@@tkermi 1000 Kg is fine, then I can rent a trailer.
@@casperhansen826 Yes, I happen to have a 1500kg rated trailer but still very rarely have needed that much capacity. In EU if the trailer doesn't have brakes the max allowed weight is 750kg + 75kg on the tow hook. So basically 825kg, if the trailer manufacturer has approved that. So anything above 825kg is usually good enogh - unless you need to tow a caravan.
and the headlights +carplay/androidauto 👍
Like a scene from Ghostbusters.
this is called predictive cruise control right? Did you pay extra for this feature?
Nope
Audi e tron, Porsche taycan, Mercedes eqc and Tesla can do the Same 😊
why in b mode? why not in d mode? i think this kind of roads has to be drived whitout electronic control to prevent accident. Cruise control and electronic helps good for highway.
Because I love B, more comfortable. No need to touch the brake.
Soon they will connect your brain with your car. 🤣
Why don’t see any gps map,very disturning
VW > Tesla
You know that tesla would drive that road on autopilot right? This means slow down and corner for you.
Tesla does the same. Also just with the cruise control. Indeed, it has done that for years.
Autopilot slows for bends as well, but it doesn’t show a “road bends” warning like this I think.
Difference between Autopilot and HERE Technology is that Autopilot utilizes Google Maps for this, while HERE Technology utilizes V2X and X2V pluss flagging and HD-Maps to "heal" it self over time.
@@oophus1 Tesla do NOT use GoogleMaps for map/driving, only for the satellite imagery.. map come from Tomtom (before it was Garmin)
@@seb. Which is the same thing. Maps that don't update based on behaviour on the roads. A Tesla who sees some oilspill won't update its map to reflect that situation. The ID.3 will when enough cars utilize the technology.
70% of all cars on the road will use it.
@@oophus1 I was just correcting part of your statement, now is ID.3 really enabled for V2V/V2X already?
doubtful... but I'd love to be wrong
@@seb. No, they are not enabled for that yet, but they will (will come with the OTA patch later). The MEB platform was designed to support it.
Tesla’s Traffic Aware Cruise Control does slow down for curves too, even on basic Autopilot equipped cars. For example if you take an on ramp or off ramp it will automatically slow down if it thinks you’re going too fast for the conditions, even if you are steering. If you’re in a sharp curve or something it will also slow down on its own.
It does, but many people think this is something unique to Tesla, while actually this feature set is rather widespread.
Yep. Basic stuff.
Difference is that Tesla doesn't learn by flagging errors like this system does as it analyzes the scenario each and every time, producing different results. Some days it will be a 60kph bend, while other days its suddenly a 70kph bend. Tesla utilizes the Google Maps dataset for an SD-Map feature. It updates too rarely, while ID.3 utilizes an HD-Map with self healing capabilities. Way better and it will over time result in a smoother ride. Not sure if OTA is required for V2V and V2I as well as I2V functions for this, and this will really start to shine in Q1 2021, but people are reporting about updates already for the maps, so it looks like its already an ongoing process. When all VW's, Audi's, Mercedes, Porsche's, Skoda's, Seat's etc utilizes this, the map will update way more frequently than the dataset from Google Maps.
Google Maps is in fact a customer for the HERE Technology tech produced maps, but only annually I believe. Same thing with Bing Map.
@@oophus1 HERE is that company owned by a consortium of German automakers (with a bit also owned by Intel and NTT) that was once upon a time, under the name of Navteq, the main source for Garmin and other navigation producers (then acquired by Nokia in their better days, and finally by Germans who didn't want to rely on some distant third party for their map and traffic data)?
@@bazoo513 Yes. They wanted ownership of "big-data" that a fleet of vehicles can create. It can be used for several things outside of normal navigation. Things like road surface rapports for asphalt maintenance.
Hmm Tesla does that on autopilot and steer for u, but nice that id3 also lower the speed on sharp corners to 👍😁. The steering part comes 😉
Max has it. Mine not.
No roofs or bumpers have fallen off though.
My Audi Q5 does this since 2017. So no news for me 😉.
normal speed is something no judge wanna hear cause that is unspecific like the cornering.
Imagine the car would have taken the curve you called "too much (speed)" ... in winter condition or on ice?
At daylight you found it working good but at night and rain you felt it was too much.
I am not sure if this becomes a handy feature or raises more questions and of cause the interaction in emergency situations who is the master , id.3 system or you at the steering wheel.
Recently I had an interaction from the e-golf that i did not like and didn't make sense where it had taken some time to realize it was the lane keeping assist struggling somehow .
Happens once but it reacted false.
Problem is that you can not do active driving in this slopes with this feature. You will end up use more energy and it goes much slower. So best thing is not use the active cruse control in this eras. so this is IMO a downside. Can you go over to normal cruse control?
Zitat: "I don`t do nothing" Du meinst "I do nothing" oder "I don`t do anything" Denglisch vom Feinstem ;-)
unless such systems are not perfect, controlling these imperfect systems is much more strenuous than driving manually by myself. I do not see the benefits (yet).