Bridgerton Season 3 (Part 2) Is Here And I Have MORE Thoughts...
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Ok here we go. So The second half of Bridgerton Season 3 dropped a few days ago and it’s safe to say the ending was EXTREMELY controversial. Whilst there were complaints for the first half, they were NOTHING compared to this. I knew I had a lot to cover so get ready for a massive (for me) video on this season. The good, the bad and the ugly. Feel like this particular one needs a PSA: whatever your opinions are just be kind. Enjoy.
Honestly the ending where Fran suddenly is star struck with the cousin just cheapened the whole arc for me. And that would have been the case regardless of the cousin gender. Because in the story we explore the idea of different kinds of love and not everything needing to be sparks and butterflies. And I loved that. I thought how Fran and John were progressing was super cute and sweet. But then, writers changed the direction to say that well love should be sparks and butterflies and she just had not met the right person. I was left just super disappointed.
Agreed.
exactly, what was all about the "there is something beautiful about a slow approach" or "you showed me a different kind of love, a quiet one. it doesn't have to be fast or loud"
I didn't even get starstruck...I thought she was jelous.
@@biankatoth1786 it definitely looked like she's attracted to her
@@xcobmi (spoilers) ..... That's the goal...in the book the cousin is the love interest. So they just gender swapped. If you're wondering how that's her love interest even tho she's married...yeah, google it for more lol.
Benedict’s story? Just sex. Cressida’s redemption? Reverted. Francesca’s story? Discarded (book readers know what I’m talking about). Mondrich Family? Fillers with no direction. Colin & Penelope? Main couple who are not in focus in their own season. This is what happens when TV writers fancy themselves as better than the author and run wild rather than stay true to the source material.
completely agree. tbh the source material isn't great and RMB feels like a draft that got published. but at least Julia Quinn knows her characters, something the new showrunners to not
***SPOILER FOR FRANCESCA'S BOOK AHEAD. PRESS READ MORE AT YOUR OWN PERIL***
My favorite part of this season was Francesca and John's courtship. It was so freakin' sweet and perfect. My only problem was with Francesca's dumb-struck reaction to Michaela, we completely changed what made her book so good. The fact that we have Michaela and not Michael doesn't really matter--at least not for this part of the story--obviously it will change other things in her story like; they can't get married, they'll have to live as a widow and her cousin by marriage, but that happened all the time back then, two women living together as "friends" or "companions" for like 40 years, when we all know they were a couple. Another thing would be that Francesca really wants to have children, but that can be taken care of by her having children with John, considering Michaela can't inherit the title or estates from John being a woman, Francesca and John having a son would fix that issue. But anyhow, my problem is that what made her book great was the fact that the main point of her story is that we can have more than one great love in our lives and that they are equally great and equally important, even if they are very different. It should have been Michaela who was dumb-struck, not Francesca. All of Francesca's romantic love and attraction should be for John at this point because John is perfect for the kind of person she is at this moment. Anyhow that's how I feel about it. That part of Francesca's story about there being two great loves in your life, both very different, but both perfect for the person you were and the person you had become at that time in your life reminds me of this other book; "The Last Post" by Renee Carlino, beautiful, and sad book.
P.S.: Francesca and John's courtship was my favorite part of this season.
6:25 as a bisexual person i hate that the way they introduce the only (to my knowledge) canon queer character (Eloise is some kind of queer idk what to tell you ), who is bi, by having him be in a threesome developing from a straight passing casual relationship, leans on stereotypes about bisexuals that should’ve been left in the 90’s, and was honestly very disappointing
As a fellow bi person, it was a disappointing turn of events but I wasn't too upset as... I'm just gonna say it, it was the sexiest scene in the season. I watch this show for some steam and I'm glad I got a little.
Penelope is a gorgeous woman and they gave her nothing to work with. Polin's chemistry is fantastic during interviews and I saw absolutely none of it during their scenes.
Yes!!! I’m straight and this bothers me so much! For the relationship to mean… nothing. It cheapens it. I hate that this is how they went about this
ABSOLUTELY I hate when my bisexuality is tied to polyamory, yes there are poly people of all sexualities and it feels like a way to make bisexuality performative and more pornographic than meaningful
THANK YOU. As a bi person, I felt so affronted seeing Benedict’s portrayal. It was so sex-obsessed and dove straight into the stereotypes that reinforce bi-erasure. Bisexual people CAN be monogamous. We aren’t nonstop sex fiends who can’t commit. His whole personality and storyline was about nothing but sex. I’m so sad about it. They could have done all of this so differently.
Yeah, as a bi woman, that was such a fucking ick. I am tired of seeing unicorns be the only bi rep we get. Makes us into objects for straight people's fantasies.
You nailed it. The book had that Colin learned her identity before the carriage shenanigans happen. Then they deal with it and he DOES work with her and to protect her. They messed UP by dragging out the reveal. I agree about the Mondriches but also Danbury's brother I don't need. He takes up too much time. We need more central love story scenes not side nonsense. THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT EPISODES THERES NO TIME. We for sure were deprived of happy Polin post reveal and I'm so upset. Nicola and Luke worked too hard for 3 years to develop their characters for the writers and editors to shoot it all in the foot. Part 1 was good, part 2 was rough, man. To waste Nic and Luke's chemistry for side nonsense that will never come back is a crime. How dare you Shonda and Jess!
I haven't watched "Queen Charlotte", so I don't know how the Lady Danbury plotline takes place there, but I was so annoyed by the confrontation between Lady Danbury and her brother, only to learn that she's mad at him that he, as a TEN YEAR OLD (!!!!) didn't understand the gravity of him exposing her plans to elope/flee. Are you going to tell me that she begrudged her brother for 40+ years because of what he did as a TEN YEAR OLD?!?!?! It was so ridiculous, I couldn't take her seriously.
My thoughts exactly😭
@@awsome182 agreed, even if he were like 16 maybe. I thought it made her seem ridiculous... he was a child....
Penelope was a bully in secret and cressida a bully in plain sight. I prefer cressida because she doesn't hide who she is and pretends she bullies out of care.
I’m 76 and may not see the next one because it’s never guaranteed. You know what, i don’t care. I loved the books. found them during covid, but am getting less interested in this series not more. Regency Rimance and more superficial soap opera. Heck i like Hallmark movies better. Maybe the need to hire a more experienced Romance writer because this season was not anywhere near a HEA that we. get from the books. In these stressful times, I need that HEA escapism into a beautiful love story with depth and strife followed by joy, kisses and smiles. There’s enough of this hollow feeling floating around without giving it 8 more hours for a Shonda soap box. Next one, i’ll watch reviews before i watch even one episode. i’d rather watch old reruns of The Nanny than this hot mess.
I actually wish the Lord Anderson and Violet and Lady Danbury storyline hadn’t resolved this season. It would have kept me wanting to come back next season.
Fair point. I do feel like there’s still more ground to cover (we hardly know the guy beyond him being pretty dang charming and pretty easy on the eyes if I do say so myself). Here’s to hoping next season there’s more depth to Violet and his storyline beyond initial attraction and getting their affairs in order.
I think, with Benedict, they are going to keep 'commitment' as theme that he is unable to or doesn't want to commit, as he would ask Sophie to be his mistress which she refuses, so conflict would be his will to explore and be free instead of her being illegitimate.
That sounds horrible. No woman deserves a man that can’t commit and wants a mistress. That would make Benedict look like the biggest jerk
I've heard this story line proposed several times. Also heard, that Sophie will have to compete with a male love interest for Benedict.
@@megan7792 I think that is what his struggle would be, just like Colin had his struggle with appearances, it is horrible but probably that's the arc. I think they will show him to be smitten by her but struggling to commit. Also, I would personally like to see Shakespeare's twelfth night thing going, where Sophie is hiding as a guy and working in Benedict's household, so there is some sexual tension there
@@leannewheeler5351 I would love if that male is she herself, hiding as a male working in his households like twelfth night story, though Benedict has already seen Sophie and is smitten but he is also attracted to a new servant in his household who is she herself as she escaped the toxic family she was in (the Cinderella scenario)
@@SA-cb2it ooh, this would be a fun twist to the story.
If they genderbend Sophie, i will stop watching it, sorry, but that's not the Benedict from the books, that's not the story i fell in love with, therefore there's no reason for me to watch it anymore, it will break my heart since i've been waiting for the Benedict season since season 1?, it will, Benedict and Sophie's story is my favorite, it's the best among the Bridgertons series in my opinion, i used to reread it yearly when i was a teen, but that's not the Benedict from the books.
Of course they will. If not, mark my words, he is in for Throuple.
i have a feeling they are going to make Sophie transgender. the showrunner made it a point that Benedict isn’t really bi but “pansexual” for a reason.
@@feliciaspeaks8663🙄Someone save us! Please!!!!!
Same rip Fran Michael fans
@@feliciaspeaks8663 But Sophie’s whole arc revolves around the fact that she fears that agreeing to become Benedict’s mistress she will end up pregnant like her mother, if they turn her into a transgender woman the whole arc of hers lose meaning, it would also rub every true fan the wrong way since Sophie is said to be one of the most gorgeous woman from the series (what’s a problem for her at the beginning), her arc becomes meaningless as a transwoman, and a slap in the face to all readers that have endorsed Quinn’s work until now, I was truly hopping they’d do more of her other works as well, but now I’d prefere for them to refrain from using woman literature as scapegoat shows for queer views. (Nothing against queer shows, but Bridgestone was not intended as a queer story, if they took Heartstopper and turned one of the main protagonists into a girl you all would see the same reaction from the community, but now because it’s woman’s literature we are obligated to just accept it being shoved down our throats?)
I was suuuuper upset with the Michael to Micheala genderbend. Not because of any bigotry but more because of many of the reasons you stated AS WELL AS if they had kept Francesca’s storyline, the way they had written it so far, it very much represented neurodivergent realities in many ways (whether you interpret it as anxiety or on the autism spectrum etc etc) AND she’s the one sibling who would give women who experience infertility someone on screen to relate to. It would’ve been much more understandable to make Eloise or Benedict’s story a genderbend. I just really really liked Francesca as the one character in the family who was a little quiet, a little awkward, and they wash it all away by saying “oh well it’s because she’s gay” which also is kind of insulting?
Penelope: I’m very careful
Apprentice boy: yeah, she’s a redhead
Also, couldn’t the queen just order all the publishers to reveal the identity of LW? Isn’t she, like, all powerful or not?
Yesss
Your points are excellent - except I don't agree that LW is as bad a bully as Cressida. To me it seemed like Pen published stuff about El and Marina as a last resort and not out of any sort of spite, cruelty or power grab, like when Cressida twists her knives. I really don't like how they made Pen apologize and grovel for being LW when it is more celebrated in the book. I was really excited to see Polin and started watching Bridgerton for them, but the show should have kept their story for season 4. The actors, especially Luke Newton, did such an excellent job that I'd want better writing and more thought out story handling for them.
Also the surface-level/superficial/21st century feminism of this show has me exhausted.
thoroughly agree with your take on Cressida. I was so hopin for a redemption arc. They did her so dirty. BUT! MAYBE SHE GETS REDEEMED IN SEASON 4! I still have hope. I'll wait two years. WHATEVER. my girl cressida deserves a happy ending.
Part 2 and the way they had Polin be at odds at each other for half the time really made me dislike Colin. Especially with the wack pacing, Colin's turnaround about Pen being Whistledown did not feel believable to me.
His entrapment accusation made me so angry. Is he seriously accusing the woman that HE deliberately chased and interrupted her engagement as manipulating him into marriage? Pen is stronger than me because it would be ON SIGHT. 😤
I feel the same. He was a real dick in the back half - and I was totally on his side in the first four episodes. Esp after that speech his mother gave him about being so sensitive and caring towards others. The fact that he so quickly forgave Marina who actually DID try to trap him while he was so awful to Penelope just for calling him out on behavior he fully admitted to in the carriage scene...just ugh.
Now had they elaborated on him being envious of her success or mad at himself for being stupid and not realizing that LW's writing and all the letters Penelope sent him on his travels were the same author - that could have been an interesting arc. Instead he was just a dick. I hated it so much. I did like in the very end he came around, although that prob had something to do with Violet being impressed and proud of her (I wish we had seen that scene). Just so many bad story choices in the second half.
@@mountaineergirl255I agree! Even how he found out Pen was Whistledown was so disappointing. Like you, I was so convinced he would figure it out on his own by comparing her letters to him with Whistledown. That way, it would show he acknowledges her writing prowess and link more into the jealousy theme.
The jealousy over her accomplishments made sense but it wasn't really portrayed well in the show at all, save for Cressida's comment (Off topic but she totally tore into him. I cannot believe Colin's privileged ass tried to make himself relatable to her, as if he will ever be in a position to marry a terrible old person for status). The show made it seem like Colin is upset at Pen more over his reputation, with how quickly he turned around once Pen got the queen's approval. 🙄
honestly, just read the book. the director and whomever else is in charge of storytelling for the show really failed in this season, and clearly aren't good at it. everyone holds regrets, there's no depth, costumes aren't appropriate anymore for the period, characters are turning gay without any depth or consideration to their personalities, it's very emotionally driven but those emotions are just grudge holding and lust, and benedict's real story was swapped for this cougar who won't fulfill him, and still being alone. Aaaand for a regency era romance, NOBODY cares that penelope, not even penelope herself!, cares about the negative consequences of fun sexy time BEFORE she was married ?! There's also a lot of inserting of current western issues into the story to the point where it has diverged a LOT from the book and what the characters actually are. In that case, they can just make their own stories. I could go on. but yea. just read the book. you'll be more satisfied.
In the book they Polin have premarital sex.
A very consistant take in the historical fashion community, from what i have seen, is just "it was a design choice", no one should look for historical accuracy in Bridgerton
Controversial take maybe but I actually agree with Violet that real romantic love does feel very intense and overwhelming and you probably should experience something like that with a person before you marry them
I absolutely don't agree that you have to feel it from the moment you meet your person though! That was pretty stupid
I am one of those who couldn't care less about the Mondrich plot.... it was cute for Season 1, but it became a space-filler ever since. Sorry.
I’m not mad at the storyline where everyone is gay and happy and together, it’s the only way they can explain Micheala
It's such a relief to hear a nonhomophobe talk about the issues with Michaela without being nasty, as well as just the general writing faults, this is why I love this channel
This franchise has an almost fetishist need to have loveless and sad weddings. I get it, contrasting the love of a wedding with such sadness. But Daphne and Simon, Anthony and Edwina, and now Penelope and Colin. Even Francesca and John now feels like it's loveless in retrospect. It's such a weird thing they keep doing
I didn’t see their wedding as loveless at all. Colin is obviously still angry at Penelope but the second he sees her in her wedding dress, it takes his breath away, then the little smile and nod at her that she returns to him. They glance lovingly at each other throughout the ceremony, smile before and after their kiss, reach for each other’s hands etc. And then the dance, they only have eyes for each other, and him caressing her cheek at the end. It was all very romantic and I think would’ve stayed that way had the queen not interrupted the breakfast.
Despite how angry he was, you could tell Colin was so happy to be marrying her. His love for her never faltered during part 2, he just needed time to process everything, understand Penelope’s choices, get over his anger and envy, and accept every part of Penelope. By the end their love is so healthy, they’ve taken each other off their respective pedestals and finally really see and love each other.
Omg yes. Like where is the JOY?? This is regency-era romance genre. We need some conflict, but also some joy and wedded bliss lmao
@@crystalpritchard5065 but this interpretation requires you, as the viewer, to fill in all of those gaps. The writers have passed the burden of character development onto the audience. It's agonizingly lazy writing. Personally, I don't think it matters much that he was apparently yearning for her and still loving her when all the while he was treating her like an unwelcome house guest up until the last possible second of the season.
@@dragonsheen3049 I don’t see it as having to fill in the gaps, I just paid attention to Luke Newton’s facial expressions throughout the season because so much of his performance as Colin is subtle. And I prefer shows/ movies where the audience isn’t necessarily spoon fed every detail, where things can be left to interpretation. I loved this season, it’s not only my favourite Bridgerton season, it’s one of my favourite seasons of any show, but everyone has their own preferences.
I was just stating to the previous comment that I don’t think Polin’s wedding was sad. I’ve rewatched the season a number of times and while I pick up on something new each time, I didn’t Polin’s wedding was sad from my very first watch. I don’t know how you can see the way they look at each other during the ceremony or their first dance and conclude anything else but that this is two people who are deeply in love and so happy to marrying one another, even if they still have stuff to figure out afterwards to get to their happily ever after.
His love shone through his anger during the entire wedding. They had a beautiful first dance. It was a lovely wedding.
Besides the odd Benedict 16 hour continuous sex session, I am confused by Queen Charlotte in season 3. In the other seasons, her opinion and behavior seemed to carry weight, and posed an actual threat. This season it felt at times like she had lost her gravitas, almost becoming a cartoon plot villain. Her failure to pick a diamond, or, for that matter, pretty much eye rolling all the women who walked in front of her. Her general lack of involvement in the society functions throughout the season also didn’t help.
An even more specific example - crashing the party and coming to the Bridgertons to make her LWD accusations instead of summoning them just felt weak and childish, not like someone who has ruled for decades or wields immense power. Or her dramatic arrival for the final scene, insulting the hosts who were trying to be gracious about her unexpected appearance, and then instantly forgiving Penelope. It felt contrived, to me, anyways.
yeah. That's a fair assessment.
Cressida straight up lied to her face and didn't even quake at being found out.
It was lazy/rushed writing. She would have summoned all of the Bridgeton's to her palace and have them quaking and wondering why they were being summoned. She crashes a Wedding party which I found extremely distasteful and you would think someone who goes to such lengths would be very unhappy when Penelope FINALLY came forward. LAZY WRITING.
Excellent comment and especially spot on about the queen.
My main issue with her is that she’s the QUEEN OF THE UNITED KINGDOM!! I get that this is a highly fictional world but her character was very real and existed within the timeline of the show so you cannot possibly make me believe the actual Queen of the fucking UK was having audiences with peasants getting tips on who Lady Gossip Girl was or crashing a wedding to unmask her. As much as the show is as accurate as the doves dancing in her wig, I can’t fathom a Queen, real or not, having the time to do that
This season was a mess. Ive not read the books, but Colin and Pens story felt like it was supposed to be a slow burn, but it happened in a blink. Colin just suddenly fell madly in love? If there were moments throughout the seasons where you could tell he was having moments with her... sure, but that didnt happen, so i often found their scenes a bit meh. Especially with him being jealous of her writing? When did he suddenly get passionate about becoming a writer? They didnt build that up properly, imo, a side comment about him wanting to write about his travels didnt really feel enough for his sudden jealousy. The two poor folks that became rich was actually more interesting imo, as random as it was
Honestly, it feels like they had written for 25 episodes and were told to summarise it into 8, 10 minutes before they had to start shooting
Hate to disapoint, but that is exactly what hapened in the book. Penelope and Colin are both very compeling in the other books, but when it comes to their story is just not so great, imho. Ironically, one of the best parts of the book is Lady Danbury developing a friendship with Penelope and working together with her to protect her identity. This was the main story where Lady Danbury was compeling and should have had a bigger role and they decided, nah let's just skip this. Let us make Lady Danbury the main support for Kate in season 2 so that she can get zero familial support. Why not, that makes perfect sense.
yeah, I didn't know he wanted to be a writer either. It was out of left field for me too. I think they could have introduced this better in the previous 2 seasons. Instead of telling us that Pen and Colin were writing letters to each other show them while they are doing it and read them out to us so that the audience gets a feeling of how and what they communicated and how their friendship grew. Like maybe Colin telling Pen that he'd like to write, her encouraging him to do so and getting inspired herself by keeping him up to date with some gossip. Or something in this vane.
I kind of hate the role the queen plays in the stories. It eliminates Danbury who is the best.
I totally agree. This season was a huge let down for me. I am happy it’s finish. I hope season 4 will not be too long to come out.
For a romance show, Part 2 barely had any romance. Colin just iced out Pen after he found out she was LW. I understand being mad at her but accusing her of entrapping him when he was the one who sabotaged her engagement to Debling and initiated their pre marital sex? Is the romance in the room with us?
I understand the writers wanted to give Pen her girl boss moment with the LW revelation to the Ton but why was Colin not standing by her side? Why didnt he go up there to her to check on her?? Ffs Philipa saved the awkward silence by releasing the bugs, pen locks eyes with Eloise first, talks to lady D and her mother AND THEN colin approached her. They should have properly talked things out by ep 7 and reconciled, instead you had Pen offering him an annulment in the last 10 mins??? And it only seemed like Colin's love was conditional and depended on the queen pardoning her. I'm sad we didn't get Polin vs The World and Colin 'My Wife' Bridgerton in Part 2.
I wanted Pen to have her 'no you shut up, its my time to speak now' moment but they barely have any lengthy conversations to hash things out? The fight outside the modiste shop should have been their reconciliation where they hash things out. Colin's jealousy comes out of nowhere, him being a writer is shoehorned into Part 2. Even Colin and Eloise's scene at the staircase should have discussed Eloise (and the Bridgertons by extension) being threatened by the Queen to put Pen's actions into perspective for Colin. It's like the writers had a checklist and were just ticking off every bullet point.
Violet reacting to Pen's letter off screen and Colin's exposition of her being shocked and proud was such a cop out. Colin reconciling the Pen he loves with LW through her letters, while heartwarming, was also a cop out because we don't get to know the content of the letters. What changed his mind? Pen revealing she's LW to the Ton with no consequence is contrived when Cressida was ostracised for the same.
Too many side plots and too little Polin made this season disappointing.
Episode 6 should have been scrapped and went back to the drawing board.
I get keeping some of his anger and jealousy in the beginning of the episode and using the rest to develop conversations and understanding between Penelope and Colin.
I also feel that Penelope could have easily told him after they read the queen’s letters and have their reconciliation be halted by Cressida announcing it.
In ep. 6, we can have him sleep on the sofa for a couple of days, but gradually fall more in love with Pen again.
Again, they can talk and with more conversations, they become happy again and before we know it. Steam.
I am mad at all the missed opportunities because one person preferred her favorite characters over the main storyline.
in the book, he figures out she is lady W FIRST, before proposing. he is angry because he is concerned with Pen's safety and social status, and they have VERY lengthy conversation and she DOES have that "no, its my time to speak moment" BEFORE the proposal. I don't know WHY the show had to change that. they did Colin AND Pen so... dirty....
OMG thank you! Why, why why, was Colin not straight over to Pen to stand with her and support her as she stands in front of all of these powerful and, potentially, very angry people. She specifically asked him to ‘stand by her’ and he doesn't. WTF? So icy.
Having waited 2yrs makes the disappointment so much bigger.
@@Forgefaerie theirs is my favorite book and I feel the same way.
I get changing the carriage scene a bit, but they could have followed the rest of the LW plot line closer to the book and show these conflicting feelings and conversations more. Agreed!
The mondrage plot is there purely to fill in for daphne and simon. They should have recast Simons' role for season 2 so they could actually keep daph and simon in the show. Ya know, cause she is actually a bridgerton! The mondrages are at a large number of bridgerton family events for NO reason.
What if... Mondriche' son, the new lord(name) is being introduced as a potential future love interest for Hyacinth? Are they the same age? If the show carries on 4 or 5 more seasons.
@leannewheeler5351 very probable. But I would argue the only reason the writers made their son inherit the Kent title was to give a thin reason for keeping that plot line going since they lost Daphne and Simon. Them being present at the super intimate wedding of John and Franny really doesn't make much sense. Yes, they have built a friendship up with the bridgerton bros but they just met John. A deeply reserved character like would be highly unlikely to invite a couple he had just recently met, when HIS family was not there at all, given that he made it clear earlier that he loves his family, even if he prefers his peace and quiet, much like francesca. It just felt off. Recasting Simon would have allowed for keeping more of the core family present. I'm not saying I hate the concept of setting up for Hyacinth and her romance with their Son, but it just doesn't fit quite right. They are included in too many family events and treated by the writers as family members when they are not yet family.
I got so annoyed with their plotline and kept asking my friend, with whom I was watching, why they are even there?! They don't do anything for the overall plot and take away precious screentime from important characters.
@@leannewheeler5351 I thought so too, but in the books it's actually a grandson of Lady Danbury who's marrying Hyacinth, so I don't know why they keep including the Mondrich's plotline.
In this season they even didn't say any word about Daphne. Why she is absent on the most important events of the family. Why to explain? Just pretend like she doesn't exist
i found season 3 all just "bleh". Also why did Lord Debling just leave? such a dumb choice from the writers
The crew: "we wanted to make Cressida's costumes resemble a bird. A trapped bird inside a cage who needs to be rescued."
"So, she'd probably be a good match for this person who explicitly cares about the environment and protecting birds?"
The crew: "who?"
Lord Debling could've found a wife in Cressida....but then why would Cressida even feel the need to blackmail Pen? She wouldn't. Still...felt a bit contrived.
@@mobabyhomeslice Someone said that this season wrote a plot and put the characters into it, instead of character's actions driving the plot, and honestly yeah that makes so much sense. Even down to "the baby race" and where the Featherington's money came from
@@mobabyhomeslice but thats the thing. its written and filmed in such a way it felt unnatural for lord debling to then just disappear. he was so obviously between them both. it felt more contrived for his leaving to me. to force the whole black mail arc
I don't understand how they need 2 years to release 8 episodes like what? Are the actors too busy doing other roles? Are they waiting for the younger siblings to age? Or are they just trying to drag it out and give filler spinoffs in between? like wtf, this is a huge show with huge interest that are based off existing books, why do u need so much time?
To completely butcher the stories by replacing the books with "original" retellings aparently lol
@@candymax2065I know it truly shouldn’t take this long to write… an adaptation
For me, they only way to redeem this season is for them to release an extended cut with deleted scenes and (new) bonus scenes. It was a hot mess and Polin was cheated out of the story arc and screen time they deserved. I also wonder is bringing back the original story runner is the answer to avoid such a hot mess going forward.
I don't understand why it takes so long either. Queen Charlotte took over 6 months to shoot and it was only 6 episodes. I remember when television shows would deliver 20 episodes per year. They used to get more done for less money. Now all these shows have huge budgets and take forever to make. I end up losing interest in the show because they wait too long for a new season. Perfect example is the Handmaid's Tale. I was so into that show in the beginning, but they take so long to crank out new seasons that I no longer care.
maybe the writers strike?
I feel like they exposed Lady Whistledown too soon. The vibe is going to be off if Pen continues to write gossip about the ton then everyone knows who is talking sh*t oooor they are gonna make her write nice observations. Which is just not gonna feel the same like the previous seasons.
Turn Lady Whistledown into a "Miss Manners" column instead!!
If they wanted Pen to have some credit for her writing have her write a novel in her own name with LW on the side.
They should’ve done a Lady’s Agreement between her and the Queen, a stalemate of sorts since the Queen, despite what she says, is thrilled by Whistledown. She doesn’t want her to stop.
A meeting between rivals, with the most powerful woman of the Ton, of the country, acknowledging the Wallflower of the Ton? That would’ve been amazing. And have the Bridgertons know, their reactions would’ve been amazing. I don’t think the Queen would mind if she’s kept a bit in check by Whistledown, she already admires her.
@@jackierosas9593 that's basically what happens in their book, she starts writing a novel.
@@jackierosas9593 That was what I was expecting and wanted to see, a stalemate between the Queen and Whistledown. I would have even been fine with Queen finding out her identity but keeping the information quiet to keep playing the game. Cressida could have even gone to the Queen but with the Queen deciding not to out Penelope she could have forbade Cressida from saying anything. Lady Whisledown's strength came from being in the shadows, she heard all the gossip because no one knew who she was. Now that people know how exactly is Whistledown suppose to hear the gossip of the ton first hand? Anyone would be a fool now to say anything if Penelope is anywhere in earshot.
They'll slowly write pen and Colin out anyway like they have with the others.
It's like the writers wanted Colin to be sweet and kind while also making him aggressive and "hot" at the same time but it just doesn't work. He came off as less like a grown man and more like an angsty horned up teenage boy.
when was he sweet and kind? i kept hearing the characters talking about how much of a great man he was, but he only showed that in one scene (defending pen that one time) and decided that was enough characterization. every other time he was selfish and after his own pleasure. i hate this "tell don't show" lazy scriptwriting.
The writers already destroyed Fran’s story. For her story to work she needs to be truly in love with John. They need to have a happy life- but if she’s pining for Michaela it sounds awful!!! Like she’s thankful her husband dies and then takes everything. It makes her look absolutely terrible.
It also makes me feel so bad for John. Nobody deserves to be treated like that without full knowledge of what’s going on
After season one I really started to sour on Eloise. She is very self absorbed. She never listens to others. It is always about her first world problems. She cares for people who care about her and listen to her c#*p. I really liked it when Cressida called her out on her own cruelty and rumor mongering. Could Cressida manage her marriage attempts more effectively if she had someone who listened and supported her. I’m not saying she’s hasn’t been a bully, but she starts to experience the early stages of a redemptive moment. Eloise’s complete lack of empathy for her dilemma was so disappointing.
I see a lot of people comparing Eloise to being similar to a white feminist, where they care about feminism in theory but ignore any other societal factors that come into play.
Yes, it sucks that a women's value in that era was tied to finding a husband. But Eloise seems to direct her anger towards the less privileged women for participating in it as if they had a choice. For women of lesser social standing, marrying a man of higher status was literally their only way of moving up in society, and Eloise being born into a rich family seems to lack understanding or empathy to that. (Her replying to Cressida with a snarky comment when she talks about how her father is threatening to marry her off to an old man is something... 😬)
@@KindaEruditeit’s quite literally 1815. It’s over 20 years before the word feminism has been invented. Can we stop trying to hold characters to a 2000s or even 1900s sense of social justice and responsibility. Eloise is honestly a typical 19 year old girl living in the 1800s.
@@jeihaynes7077 She’s a fictional character written by contemporary writers who have put a lot of contemporary ideas in this piece.
That’s why.
Also, she’s not typical. Her family is wildly wealthy.
The moment I saw Eloise in season 1 I knew she wasn't my cup of tea. I don't vibe well with 'Strong Feminist Modern Day WAMAN". I'm all for feminists and getting equal rights etc. but writing Eloise as if she's a Modern Day wannabe girl boss is insufferable.
I really liked her in season 1 and in season 2. I honestly could relate with her not to want to be girly and be chained to a man that might not even respect her. I understood why she was mad at Pen. However in season 3 I hate her. She was always self absorbed but in the previous seasons she was still a good friend at times. But this season she was entirely selfish, I didn't like her friendship Cressida cause it seemed like the last person she would befriend...but it turns out Cressida might be a better person than she is! Cressida at least had some character growth while Eloise seems to have gotten worse as the season went on.
I'm also disappointed that the paper boy is no longer in the show. I was kinda hoping that it would lead to a romance and Eloise would end up falling in love and make a match with a poor man rather than a man for power or wealth.
I wish they used Benedict’s story for season 3… and then showed a real friendship between Colin and Pen (not just her being his sister friend that writes to him) and saved the fallout between Eloise and Pen until the end of 3 to jump off Polin in season 4.
It felt rushed because they made a switch of the order of the books and it felt unnatural. I felt like the writers were just throwing ideas out there and hoping something stuck.
They also missed an amazing opportunity ride the wave of Kanthony by giving them an actual side plot instead of them leaving every 2 seconds (even though he is the head of household).
I’m happy Penelope got some lovin though. Even if it’s with a man with a personality of a plastic sack.
Had they made Benedict season 3, they could have stretched the Colin/Pen story out so much more. Imagine a whole season of him staring at her across the room and chasing her everywhere, it would also give him a chance to work out his ~issues~.
Agreed. The first 4 episodes rushed building up their friends to lovers storylinen to try to focus on LW drama in the last 4 episodes and as a result both storylines felt lacking.
I greatly disliked the sprinkling in of Anthony and Kate. It felt like fan service. Not to mention with him being Lord Bridgerton it is extremely irresponsible and selfish to be constantly away leaving others to care for things. I had to laugh when he assured the Queen that as head of the household he would know if any of the family was LW, how would he know if he is never even there???
THIS!!! This made the most sense. This should have Benedict’s season, building Colin’s romantic feelings for Pen, placing Kate and Anthony in prominent household positions with a real plot. The writers fumbled
Well for Kathony there at least was a reason why there were just a few scenes of them - the actor didn't have that much time for filming because of filming something else at the same time. While story-wise being dumb at least the reson was a real restruction they had while filming. The same can't be said about their other whacky decisions.
Everything you said was completely right. And honestly if they had given Polin a steamy “I’m still mad at you but I can’t help myself” wedding night and then a steamy makeup session on the finale. I think everyone would be a lot more forgiving of some of the other stuff.
Not to be vulgar, but I was waiting for the makeup sex too. They seemed like they were building to it when they nearly hooked up in an alley, but then he sent her home. They were also newlyweds, who didn't have a proper wedding night. I was expecting a passionate scene between them that we never got.
I truly hoped for Cressida to be friends with Penelope by the end of the season with the whole redemption thing. It would have been nice to see the three take control of their own lives by the end of the season. I agree that Cressida should have married the lord to get away from her family.
Then what will she do in Benedict's season??!? There's a reason she can't get her redemptive arc yet or happy ending. And I don't want to spoil it for you but she's going to be one of the catalysts for Ben finding his spouse.
@@Pillowlips77
Are they really using the Cowpers for this plotline?
Don't know how this will work out.
Completely changing everything from the books.
We will see.
@@barbarafrings9231 yes Cressida's mother's name has been accidentally leaked by one of the makeup artists. It's Araminta. And if you've read the books, then you know who she is.
@@Pillowlips77
Oh, somehow missed that.
Thank you! 🙂
@@barbarafrings9231 Also, did you notice how Cressida's dad kept saying 'YOUR daughter' this 'YOUR daughter' that..? 👀
I say this as a lesbian, but I was deeply disappointed with the Mikayla storyline for exactly this reason.
SPOILERS BELOW
We spend an entire season learning about John, and watching him go from shy reserve to quiet boldness for Francesca’s sake. We see Francesca blossom into a young lady who knows her desires and isn’t afraid to pursue them. They are the couple happiest in silent company, and the way they look at each other is the way people feel when basking in warm sun.
I don’t WANT her to meet Mikayla now. I want her to live with John, and build a life with him. It’ll hurt to lose him, but let us feel that pain, not the foreknowledge that his death is just an impediment to the primary couple.
FURTHERMORE: if one wanted to write a gay storyline like that, this was the perfect season to set one up - specifically: Cressida and Eloise.
We know Cressida isn’t allowed female friends and her parents are insistent that she marry. We know she says Eloise “rejected her suit” of friendship, and Eloise later says she’s “come to call on Miss Cowper” during calling hour - while wearing a dress with violets on it (violets being a symbol of lesbian romance during that era, no less😅)
So: maybe Cressida was caught kissing a maid or something, and her parents dismissed the maid, and sent Cressida to the marriage mart. She’s also protected herself from scandal by being hateful and cutting to the other ladies so as to not be tempted.
Then Eloise decides to be her friend. They get along. Cressida catches feelings, Eloise is slower but eventually reciprocates.
We see that Penelope marries Colin, Eloise is still mad. Pen also has no reason to like Cressida.
And then say we start the next season with Eloise and Cressida back in town for the season, desperate to meet after being apart, meeting at Bridgerton House, under the wisteria maybe, they kiss…
And are caught by Penelope.
Eloise knows she’s Lady Whistledown, and thus could ruin them both. Cressida knows she’s been cruel to Penelope and expects retaliation. She marries Lord Debling, breaking Eloise’s heart…
Then, at the end of the season, Cressida is honest with Lord Debling and says she’ll happily give him heirs and there will never be rumours of her with another man, but she has a special friendship with a companion and she hopes he might forgive her that, etc etc, and ends up back with Eloise - who tells her family, who of course welcome Cressida in and give her a warm home.
Penelope, as a gesture of good will, promises to use Lady Whistledown to protect the two ladies
It even works - the Ladies of Llangolen in Wales were two upper class “spinster companions” who lived together happily for decades, so it’s historical
I’ll stop writing fanfic in the comments but like, come on. It wouldn’t have been hard to do something like that^, rather than pull a bait and switch with two character we’ve watched grow together over the course of a season
I adore this. Tbh, I always assumed Eloise would get a story like this because she seemed very queer coded from day one of the first season. I thought she was in love with Pen and that's part of why she took Pen withholdin LW from her so harshly. I swear I'm never gunna be content with this show, and so I stopped watchin after season 1 and just listen to a few people do recaps each season to remind myself why I gave it up. It's clear that if you wrote the show, it would actually be worth watchin!
Ohhhh....yeah. This would actually make SO much more sense! Honestly, they should've hired YOU to write this season!
This has the bones of fan fiction 🩵
I like this so much better than the half-assed Cressida redemption arc they shoehorned into season 3. We were supposed to feel sorry for her, and then she went right back to being her usual vengeful witchy self and her ending had no relevance to the overall story or the other characters. They could've cut her storyline waaaaay back and just had her decide to be Lady Whistledown, that ends up being a bust, and then her father sends her away. The end.
Ooooor your arc is 1000000000% better.
Okay but why am I actually 1000% on board for this?? This would be SO compelling
Part 2 is giving the last season of Game Of Thrones. I’m that disappointed.
Yup! And I fear a writing campaign to complain will come to naught. This was bad and sloppy writing through and through. They did not care.
I know Cressida was a massive bully but her entire story line was humanizing her and showing how much pain she was in. It made no sense to give her such a punishing season ending. It's like the exact opposite of giving Cersei Lannister that sympathetic death.
I was bombarded with weeks of Nikola/Luke swearing up and down that they had so many steamy scenes. Did they not know that none of that made it into the final cut and it would be a major angstfest? Or were they ready to right-out lie for advertising?
They were getting us all excited talking about how they broke furniture while filming and then, NOTHING!!!!😂 It’s so bad it’s almost funny.
And season 1 had at least ten times we saw them being steamy compared to like two times in season 3. The writers really don’t know steam
Apparently in the advanced screening people saw there were way more steamy sexual scenes with them but they took them out when they dropped it on Netflix for some reason
They didn't lie. A lot if their steamy scenes were cut from the final edit.
@@isa12rae Tom Verica (director) AND Nicola coughlan proved that was not true, just a rumor that got out of hand
IMO they ruined it, my favorite book which was full of romance and great sex ended up as a side portion of Pen and Colin with numerous other BORING stories crammed in, the worst was how they turned Colin from a nice gentleman into a selfish cruel rake, he out of the brothers did not get to slut around he was always the thoughtful one, yet he left pen alone in the street at night TWICE
ruining her would-be marriage to Denby, then petting her in a carriage and having sex [on a sofa in the books he says she deserves a bed for the first time] before marriage then accuses her of entrapment! then abuses her for the rest of part 2 so much pen offers an annulment, is this supposed to be romantic? do these scriptwriters read the book at all? if this is all for drama it fell flat
the first series is still the best as it was just about one couple and romance why is that not enough!
They changed the show runner. The new one is just bad. She doesn't have any vision for the characters and seems to have subconscious fat phobia. The way Penelope love scenes were so badly shot truly irritate me.
Why did they change her?
Also, it's obvious that she turned Fran into a self-insert.
@@natashambulo3510netflix did not want to pay the old showrunner the amount he asked. it's sad really
They just kept throwing three-way sex all over the place in this season and I was like… Why?
I also genuinely don’t understand why they scrapped Michael for Michaela when we’ve been LOVING Eloise and Cressida. No one likes Philip, so why did they get rid of Michael????😭😭😭😭
Bc perpetuating the belief that loud, outspoken feminists are gay is dumb. Francesca's story is the one one which can be changed in order to give a queer couple, an actual happy ending.
@@Pillowlips77 But they've basically removed the ability to stay true to the basis of her storyline. Her book story is based on her rejoining the marriage market because despite her deep love for her husband who has passed one of her greatest desire is to have kids and she greatly struggles with her infertility and moving on from John.
Genderbending characters who are based on existing stories shouldn't come at the cost of the struggles and growth they go to just to appease an agenda.
@@SravyaKuchipudi It can bc they bought the rights for millions of dollars. If you wanted to see on screen, what's in the book then you should've bought the rights. The books are still there for you to enjoy. This is the show and the showrunners can do what they want. And it's not to 'appease agenda'. You sound homophobic with that comment. The showrunner herself is married to a woman and people like me want to see a queer love story with a happy ending.
@@Pillowlips77 you could get that with Eloise, because it makes much more sense for her as a character. By removing Fran’s relationship with Michael, they’re removing a core aspect of her character and her plot in her story, which they’ll have to replace. At this point, the only thing that you could link between Fran and her book is her name. I don’t understand why they had to butcher her character when we have Eloise and Benedict, two single characters who have basically been confirmed to be queer in some way.
@@Pillowlips77I love that it’s “gay” when dumb but “queer” when happy. Anyways - why is Francesca’s the story that must be changed? What about it engenders the necessity?
After all, Eloise’s storyline is “outspoken blue stocking feminist really just needed to meet the right man and become a mother to his brood of children!!!”, which I find much more harmful than, “girl whose parents won’t let her interact with other girls falls for girl who doesn’t relate to the social conventions engendered upon women and who gets twitchy and nervous around other pretty girls” - and Eloise is the one who goes to accept Cressida’s suit and call on Miss Cowper.. whilst wearing a dress with violets on it. That’s a direct reference to Sappho and her gal pals, btw 😅
I read that we have to wait 2 years for the next season. Why? I understand the reasons for the last delay (the strikes), but 2 years for 8 episodes again?! I'm not a fan of this new showrunner.
Apparently it takes a month to film 1 episode. But my theory is that Netfkix can only fund so many shows within a year and need to stagger filming to not crumble from over production.
@@leannewheeler5351agreed.
Thank you for mentioning the slack of steam between Polin. With all that angst going around there should have been an angry and very heated steam session.
Apparently there Was and it got cut. The kiss outside the Modiste was supposed to turn into a very steamy session. There were a lot of Polin scenes that got cut and I think if they’d stayed in would have made for a much better story. There’s a petition to release an extended version lol.
@@melody_shmelody OMG! YES!!! I wanted to see the steam session the night before the wedding!!! Why did they cut that??
I heard it was because the actors lacked chemistry and the scenes weren't believable.
@@leannewheeler5351That makes sense. The few sexy scenes they had were underwhelming.
But it’s not the first time they’ve done that. The first season, Simon was ready to die before marrying Daphne. Daphne thought he didn’t love her at all until halfway through the honeymoon.
Idk that its not 💯 historically accurate, but it is supposed to be REGENCY inspired fantasy is it not? Based on very particular books. Otherwise what is the point-just take the characters and throw them into 21 century.
The make up, the decorations, the dresses were not simply not accurate-most of it was tacky and tasteless. With synthetic fibers, crazy smokey eyes - it gave way more Hunger Games Capitol vibes then Regency.
Benedict story is so dragged - like why I need all the details? Its Polin season! And its the same story he has EVERY SEASON, cmn! Also - he actually is great painter and very talanted. But here he does not acknowledge it at all. Like what? They robbed him from any personality apart his threesome partners.
Colin - smart charismatic talanted writer Colin, Colin who was so in love with Pen, who supports her in the books, who s passionate about his travels and writing-here he just in thressomes and brothels, then kinda in love with pen, but then angry and an ass to her till the queen supports her, than he shows up?! Like literally wtf man?
Pen is so sad and apologetic all the time and swooning over Colin. Thats it. While he is such a compelling character in the books.
And i honestly think that first 2 seasons were way better than books! (Maybe apart from edwina issue).
Polin could have been such an amazing season!
Fran, dont even start with that. So many creative ways to introduce representation. So many plot hole’s with this one.
The pacing is off. The music is off.
Kanthony going to india?! While she is pregnant?! In 1820? Is anthony trying to kill his wife and child?!
Eloise is such a bad friend to cressida, with all her talk about friendship and women helping women.
I lost it at Anthony is trying to kill his child😂😂😂
Once again, I feel like this is Hollywood doing plumb redheaded women dirty. They act like no one wants to see a woman like THAT on screen doing....things. But the truth is, women like this EXIST in the real world (Hi. Nice to meet ya!) and WE LIKE SEX TOO!!!
As a historian, Penelope’s hair and make up (specifically the red lip) made me so mad. It’s inappropriate for a women in the regency era to have her hair down like that in public. We see this with characters like Kate and Lady Danbury. They only have their hair down at home usually when they’ve just gotten out of bed. A woman, out in society, wearing her hair down would’ve been seen as a loose or an escort.
India was a British colony at the time tho and considering their hierarchy they’d have had top notch British healthcare and the same chances of successfully delivering a baby than in GB
@@Estframa yeah, but travelling for several months, in the 1820s, while heavily pregnant, is also probably not the best idea in itself. I simply think it was their way to write off Kate and Anthony from the upcoming season(s).
No way Colin would have left Pen alone her wedding night. It could have been fantastic. He loves her so much and can't keep his hands off her, yet he's upset with her. Just didn't do Pen and Colin justice. They had Pen upset and sad almost the whole time. When Nicola smiles she lights up the room.
I can’t believe we aren’t going to get Michael. He was my second favourite husband and Fran not getting her story is going to suck.
Same. They've made some interesting changes, that I'm not looking forward to.
It will still be a beautifully complex love story , just because it’s different from the books doesn’t mean it won’t be good
@@tobe4real I doubt that based on how badly they handled Penelope's love story. And I agree that it might be good, but I can still mourn the story that we had wanted, especially since you would expect a book adaptations to actually adapt the books. I'd been fine with the changes from the first and second book because they actually improved the story, but the changes made to Polin and now Francesca, just change way too much IMO to be considered a book adaptation. Fran's book is probably just gonna be loosely used as inspiration because the entire plot and characterization has to be scrapped.
@@tobe4realI mean this season wasn’t that good and departed heavily from the books. I’m just looking at the material before us
@@tobe4realthey will not. They already made it bad
I would've given the gist of the Mondrich storyline to Anthony and Kate. Kate could struggle with being the new Viscountess and losing some of her independence, and Anthony could struggle with what Society expects of them. Love could still conquer all, in the end! Give Kanthony something interesting, at least.
I have a few questions....most of which are: WHY?!?!? WTF?? WHY???
Why did Debling just....DISAPPEAR?!? Knowing what he was looking for in a wife, I feel like he could've made a really good match with Cressida!! They did Debling dirty, imo.
WHY Are they trying to make Francesca out to be a lesbian in love with her new husband's FEMALE COUSIN?! WTH?? Benedict exploring his "free love" style sexuality? Sure. That makes sense. But Francesca's shoehorned-in closeted lesbianism is just....come on! Staaahhhp it!! How the hell is that going to even work?? We're still talking quasi-historical closeted Regency England, for goodness sake! Such a relationship would NEVER be openly explored in that time period. The exploration of racial equality is fine, given the "fantasy world" aspect of the show...but this is a bit too far, and it completely butchers Fran's story.
Penelope and Colin had the perfect opportunity for a MUCH more steamy session the night before the wedding when he found her on the street. It would've helped explain why he was more comfortable with her on their wedding day and even seemed genuinely happy to be marrying her. Missed opportunity....But then going right back to icing her out and sleeping on the couch once the wedding was over?? No angry sex?? No "It's our wedding night. We must consummate" honorable sex?? Awww come on!!!
As a wealthy widow living in a relatively remote place, Francesca will be well positioned to keep a female companion with no much suspicion. If they are discreet, it shouldn’t be much of a problem. I understand there were themes of fertility in her book though? So I guess those we will miss :(
@@halane4790fertility and loss which is main theme. So you lose full book
@@halane4790Honestly with the living arrangements you just described, they should have given the genderbent love story to Eloise. Francesca's story will be unrecognizable based on this setup, but if we had Marina widowed instead of Sir Phillip, she could get together with Eloise with her storyline remaining mostly intact (and from what I have seen Sir Phillip is one of the least like love interests anyway)
@@noemitamas4066 it would have been another option. Although hard to explain why Eloise would have become the companion of a poorer woman who had a scandal involving her brother.
@@halane4790 See that would work well with Eloise. We rarely see mainstream stories focused on female fertility.
I thought the whole lady Arnold thing was all going to lead him getting rejected..😭 i felt like *she* didnt want strings attached and now it was the other way around??😅 such a weird storyline
I just feel like Eloise should have so much more pressure to find a serious match she’s basically in the same position of Cressida but with no pressure and it’s a bit unrealistic. In my opinion.
Not that unrealistic. She has a big wealthy family who get along well, love her and care for her. The issue with being a spinster is that a lady of the ton often did not have means to support herself independently, and so had to be kept by family. In this case, I am certain the family are both capable and willing to support her. Jane Austen’s Emma makes that case for the protagonist: she has enough family wealth that she can become a spinster, one of her neighbors who is an older single woman lives in poverty.
Cressida has to marry for two reasons, the first, her parents are demanding it of her, and second, she wants to escape her parents. Violet wants love matches for her children so she’s willing to be patient while they find their partners.
Also, Eloise didn’t make her debut until season 2 so this is only her second year on the marriage mart; Cressida made her debut the same season as Daphne. And Violet explicitly says that after putting too much pressure on Eloise the previous year, she was going to give her space this year.
It isn't necessary for her. Her family is loaded and she has a crap ton of siblings with half of them married now plus has a rep for icing out suitors, there's no need for her to wed but Cressida is an only child and is in her third year of the marriage market whilst actively seeking out suitors and still failing
it's realistic because Eloise is privileged. the thing is, the show doesn't talk about it enough
I was so pissed about the butching of Francesca's story line. I am not against LGBTQIA+ stories. I knew they were going to kind of include Benidict in that world from the begining, but it does not fit Francesca's story arch at all. They are using her to check a box and it is so blatenly obvious I am annoyed.
The Mondrich's were added in and given space in the series, because their son in a Kent. Based on the books he will be Hyacinth's love interest later on (I don't know how they are going to fix up that story line either). They alluded to it already in season three.
Wasn't Hyacinth's love interest Lady Danbury's grandson?
Or are they changing that too?
@@barbarafrings9231 In the book he was (He was illigetimate and not related to his father in the book. I don't remember how he was related to Lady Danbury) I don't know what they are going to do with him in the series, the entire Mondrich story arch is out of left field.
I wonder how they'll fix the age difference between the two... Hyacinth and Mondrich's son if that's the way they're going... She's at least four years his senior. This is like the age difference between Anakin Skywalker and Padme in Phantom Menace. It was creepy... he was telling her he would marry her in the future when she was like 14 years old and he's only 9... it was cringe.
@@secondhandrooms507 He was the grandson of Lady Danbury. Just re-read Hyacinth book two weeks ago.
@@DianaMayeDesigns Why is the age difference a problem for you? It might have been in the regency era but as the series is not historically correct...
The Polin storyline was such a let down that could have been fixed with a few short scenes. LW was sharp, sure, but she did always tell the truth, hard as it could be to hear. She didn't 'ruin' marina as much as marina did in the first place, compounded with her schemes and lies. I would have loved more scenes of Colin with his writing, the sensual side, and have him admit (like in their book) to Pen his jealousy and envy rather than wait until the end. And for Anthony to say, hey let's spend months traveling & have this baby, this HEIR, in a foreign country, after what he saw his mom go through after his father died? NO WAY! He loves Kate above all, there's no way he'd put her on a boat while pregnant, even to see her family. After the baby, maybe, but while pregnant? No. I felt like this season, esp. the end, wasn't at all true to the characters. It was a let down.
Yeah, Anthony would have been VEHEMENTLY against Kate being at any risk and not chilling with her feet up.
That thing of Anthony and Kate traveling for MONTHS to get to India while she's PREGNANT?!? Plus he has responsibilities to his title, his family, his tenants, etc? That was truly the most ridiculous thing.
yep
I mean as far as "we need an excuse to let this actor go" goes the India trip thing was not so bad. this is shondaland, at least they didn't kill anthony off screen 😅
I loved part 1 but I feel the new show runner ruined most of part 2 for me.
I loved a parts of it, but my main gripe is towards Penelope and Eloise and Polin’s storylines.
They shoved those two storylines to the side for three side plots that don’t need to be there.
It was Penelope and Colin’s season and the episode titled after their book barely showed them. All that built development got ruined because the new show runner wanted to show Bendetict’s threesomes instead. Many of their scenes were cut.
Eloise’s friendship ended quickly and was rushed. I am not mad about how and why it ended, but that they rushed it.
The featherington family plotline was excellent. I had no complaints.
Cressida’s home life was redundant and many scenes of that could have been cut.
I don’t mind the mondrich plot because it did not take over and some of it meshed with other characters.
As a polin fan, them being shoved to the side when it was their season. And after hearing that they cut important scenes of them (maybe it is true), fans have every right to be angry.
SO many problems with this season, but a point that gets overlooked about Kanthony. For 2 seasons it was all about how Anthony had a "duty" as head of the family. Suddenly he doesn't care about that, and is leaving his mother in charge. Also TERRIBLE writing - "You make me feel seen in ways that I've never been seen before" Colin says. First - it's Penelope who needs to be "seen," not him, and SECOND - feeling "seen" is entirely a modern idea. This season made very little attempt to stick to the time period, esp w/costumes & makeup, but that line just summed it up about how seriously bad. Go back to Chris Van Duesen and drop Jess Brownell.
Thank you! The only one pointing this out….. I thought the same thing. How unrealistic would it be since Anthony is all about responsibility and duty of being the viscount.
Exactly and considering he witnessed how traumatic hyacinths birth was, him taking kate on a ship for months while she was pregnant was absolutely ridiculous. Where the hell were their personalities as well. No snarky back and forth.
@user-qq3gs8ot7i Thanks for bringing up the frequent use of modern day vernacular. By the time Lady Danbury said "Don't come for my cane," I was too through. Between the modern writing, makeup, costumes, and hairstyles, etc., I kept being yanked out of the Regency "feel" of the setting. I came for a Regency era romance between two beloved characters and got a modern season full of tons of gratuitous sex and little romance, wherein the main characters where treated like they couldn't carry the season. There is only so much artistic license one can tolerate before a thing is no longer a thing.
@@Kascie the full set of acrylics they put on Pen and her makeup having smokey eyes, little crystals on her eyelid, FULL lashes, contour and the lot?!? Maks no sense. This seasons show runner has zero taste.
@@MelissaW1103 the nighttime scene where they bantered..."our marriage is work..."
To give a comparison, Francesca's love story is to the Bridgerton books what Persuasion is to the Jane Austen books. It is the most mature, compeling and complex written. And they decided that this is the story not worth telling basically. Even if we ignore the gender bend ( which might work in my opinion), taking out the part where Francesca is truly, romantically, in love with her husband and devastated by his loss is a huge mistake in my opinion. And what Francesca was saying this season was right, some people don't need the flashes and bangs to fall in love, is ok so love someone softly. And then, at the end it is revealed this was not true, she was never in love with her new husband and is falling in love at first sight with Michaela. It just feels disapointing, same as they changed the relationship dinamic between the Sharma/Shefield sisters. I think it would have been wise for the show to change some of the pacing and story lines from the books (not all written scenes make good TV scripts) but the fundamental feeling, emotions and connections should stay the same. I don't know, just disapointed that the only romance story they clearly invested so far is Penelope's. Even in terms of family story, the most developed in all the seasons is the Featheringtons in the TV show. And they are aparently butchering everything else.
The Francesca plot is what really made fans lose hope for the future of this series. SPOILERS below
In the books Francesca had two loves John and his cousin Micheal. She got with Micheal years after John’s death. Now aside from the gender change I want to talk about how they butcher John! What they should’ve done and what it seemed like they were going to do based on part one was have Francesca & John met this season get married in the next season where Fran would met Micheal then kill off John in season 5 and have season 6 be the rest of Francesca story. That way we have more time to know John and care about him than in the books and his death will have weight, but they completely rushed through it what’s worse is they undermined their whale romance when Francesca saw John cousin for the first time. And this would’ve been a problem without the gender change. In the books Micheal fell in love at first sight but never acted on it for love of John and Francesca only loved him like a brother. But here having Francesca bring the one in love first just ruins her plus again like mentioned in this video they were setting up a good message that not all love is the same but to them fall back on that makes this whole thing feel like a waste of time
Amen! Way to totally invalidate the introvert/neurodivergent love story by being like “oh nevermind she can fall in love the same way it just has to be a girl!”
The Francesca storyline in the books was my favorite and I was so disappointed that it looks like they are going to blow it!
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who feels this. I’m a lesbian and I was thrilled to know we were going to get lgbt rep.
But with Mikayla? I don’t know about that. I don’t like that John must die for this ship to float, and that she was introduced so damn early. He isn’t even dead yet, don’t make me root for her now
@cloverazar5315 I was exited because I thought they were going Eloise gay. But why Fran? They don't build her up as lesbian at all. Eloise has three seasons of character traits that makes sense, but for Fran they just kinda drop it with no proper foreshadowing or characterization.
@@Elizabeth-hc3mii don’t fully agree, i was kinda getting the vibe she might be gay at the very beginning of the season just because she really seemed disinterested in any man that came her way and lacked enthusiasm for marriage, though that was later explained by her generally reserved nature that was initially the first impression i got. but regardless i agree, i would’ve rather liked to see eloise find a female love interest and i really hate the implications of the scene with michael & how it just ruined her whole love story for the season
Your comment about how this has turned into fanfic is completely spot on, especially as a reader of the books. Colin and Pen's story was my favorite because of the build up and focus on these two characters and I was actually hopeful during part 1 of the season even though I didn't care for how some scenes were portrayed, only because I believe the book did it better in terms of tension between the characters. The show is becoming just a little too ridiculous for me and there are complete story lines I absolutely DO NOT care about that take up way too much screen time. Again, it's becoming more fanfic (bad fanfic might I add) than original story lines and it's honestly disappointing.
I would love a Violet spin off, love her character
I loved Penelope buttt omg the story writing. It wasn’t convincing at all. She was all head over heels with Colin but he was just love bombing here and sooo cringe. Idk the writing was just bad it just became so unconvincing.
I’m done with this show. Honestly, I only see the writers screwing it up even worse from here on out. They are already ruining Fran and Michael. Benedict and his Cinderella will be effd up and they will find a way to ruin El and Phillip. And for this reason, I’m out.
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Eloise was extremely disapointing this season. She essentially blackmailed Pen before Cressisda did. 'Tell him or I will.' Then all of a sudden she didn't want her to tell him anymore. Which just so happened to be after she realised it would look bad on her too?
Then of course the way she used Cressida. The way she treated her when she knew she was lying about LW? The relationship only got tiresome for her once Cressida started needing help? And then complaining to Pen when earlier 'She surprised me'. The only thing that changed between those moments was Cressida's desperation.
And someone also pointed out that Eloise could have explained Cressida's situation to Colin before he left to speak with her. Which would have helped Colin strike the right note. Why didn't she tell them what was happening? Did Pen really want her shipped off to Wales whilst vowing to use her power to help the helpless?
Agree! If I has a sister-in-law who ruined my engagement celebration through blackmail, I would never talk to her. Suddenly know it all Eloise had tears during their wedding ceremony and it was all okay?
A fanfiction writer would NEVER do bridgerton as dirty as this screenwriter did. no way
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Edit: Agree with most of you opinions, but kinda terrified of the fandom right now. Just a sidenote... Sophie is not just a bastard, but basically a Cinderella. Genderbending his story would be harder, in my humble opinion.
Edit 2: Colin also made me angry, but I do not think he was pissed about the issue about him. It was about El, Marina and the main thing: she did not tell him anything. Yeah, jealousy also played a role, but I would honestly prefer them to keep it in 307 and leaving it there.
But I shall defend the street make out, as both were drinking, emotions ran high, got carried away, and they then kinda remembered why they were hurt. It was honestly one of the strongest scenes for me. But yeah, downgrade from part 1 surely. But few rewrites and it would be perfect 😌
For the queer storylines, I’m suprised they went with Francesca for it. Mainly for the reasons you mentioned as well. I feel like Eloise would have been a much more natural choice, they could lean into her relationships in a new context and made it very believable. She’s always read to me as ’disinterested in romance’ so it’d make sense for her to have a big revelation that it’s not disintrest in romance, but a disintrest in men.
As for Benedict, him finding out he’s queer through this storyline felt quite flat and laking in emotional depth. Finding out you are bi, especially in that era would be huge and devestating for the character on a personal level. It was present in hinted at in earlier seasons and I’d wish they built off of that.
I’m actually over the series. It feels like soft p*rn now. No substance, direction, and very little romance. I didn’t feel connected at all to this season. I also, felt like I wasted my time. Which is sad, bc I was most excited about Penelope to be honest.
If anything was soft porn it was the first season. I fast forwarded through all the sex scenes the first season and that meant a whole lot of fast forwarding. In the end, I didn't understand why people loved the show so much. It seemed mediocre compared to other shows. Then I realized that a lot of women must love watching the simulated sex scenes with the Duke, because when you fast forward those scenes, there's nothing special about the show.
@@pettycrimes6328 Trust when I tell you, I fast forwarded through most of the sex scenes in all of the seasons. The series as a whole I guess is supposed to cater to those who want all of that. I atleast liked the last seasons better because the stories seemed more coherent, especially adding the flashbacks for understanding. And you’re right, there’s really nothing special about the show.
It is slowly becoming a regency lgbtq fan fiction 🤣 Whatever floats your boat but I am not interested. This whole series has been one big cringe from the start.😬Pity I was looking forward to it but have been left disappointed time and time again. Watched season 3 part 2 but could not face part 2 nor will I watch the remainder of the series.
@@Sam63new I don't want to sound like some sort of "phobic", because I'm not, but every show has turned into lgbtq fan fiction. It's hard to find a show that was made in the last 2 years that doesn't have boy on boy or girl on girl action. It's on every show and movie. And a lot of the time it seems so forced and not the least bit realistic.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Series 1 showed the growing passion by the two leads.
Series 3 showed both Colin and Benedict experimenting. I watched 8 episodes in three hours because I zapped so much of it.
I've given up on the series. Will replay my audio books instead.
The book actually did a good job more than the show here for Polin, in a few ways. We had a POV from Colin and it was showing us so many thoughts he was having about her, showing how he was slowly realizing how much love he was with her. Though I am glad that they pursued writing together and not quitting cold turkey like they did in the novels.
Otherwise I felt the same about Cressida's treatment and Eloise's cruelty to not just Pen but also Cressida, too. I'm relieved your review was open minded and not at all toxic, this was fun to watch!
Yes, I feel like Colin and Penelope's story made so much more sense in the book, from his developing feelings to his feeling aimless and jealous that Penelope had a purpose in life. None of that seemed to make it into the show, and they gave the aimless thing to Benedict instead.
@@ruthg3732 Yeah, and then gave Colin the "rake" personality which didn't make any sense. Him having threesomes just felt dumb and yet, the show did a good job in making sure that both Pen and Colin pursued their passions together but also made it known that Pen was visibly supporting her family with her funds.
It's like the show and books traded which to keep and now I'm torn which I prefer more lol
As a book reader I already had my issues with the adaptions before, the adding of unnecessary plotlines (Mondrichs, anyone? Or Marina Thompson...), but season 3 felt so off. I am mostly angry that the focus was almost 50% on Fran and John (don't get me wrong, I loved them), because it took away so much screen time from Pen and Colin and their love story to develop.
Only to butcher Frans future development in genderswapping Micheal to Michaela, making Fran awestruck with "her", even though it's originally the other way around, taking away from the deep love and connection that John and Fran developed in this season (claiming that other, quieter forms of love also exist, only to make Fran awestruck and feeling that "zing" of love Violet claimed was the only true version of love), and obviously skipping the whole developing plotline of Fran to deal with grief and infertility, the main reason why she goes back on the marriage mart, because after several years of deeply and truly mourning John, she wants to become a mother.
Also, it takes away from Michael, who always felt guilty for falling in love with his cousin's wife, and later feeling guilty for inheriting John's title and all. It was such a disappointment.
I don't understand why they need to push LGBTQ agendas down on the Bridgerton's throats. Queer stories exist, Bridgerton is not a queer story. Write new or adapt already existing queer stories. Let the queers be queers and the straights be straights. I'll watch queer stories, I've done so in the past, but just don't push it down our throats when it doesn't belong there.
Also, can we please finally skip that Mondrich's plotline? I find them so boring and they don't do anything for the overall plot. Why are they even there still?
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I thought part 1 was overstuffed, but went at a good clip. I really liked the pacing for Colin and Pen. Part 2 was all over the place. They were (almost) never given any scenes to breathe within their brand new relationship, almost everything major that happened between them happened around other people, and/or they were dramatically interrupted. I was screaming during Colin's speech to Cressida "why are you saying all this to her and not Penelope?!?" That was such a profound character realization moment and it was wasted on a character blackmailing his wife instead of the wife he hasn't touched since before the wedding.
Totally agree that the Whistledown discovery and angst should've been one episode. The dragging out made Colin seem petty and cruel. I didn't care about the Mondrich's storyline but if any married couple was going to give Colin advice, it should've been them and not (only married for like a year) Kate and Anthony, who seemed like they were there just cuz they had to be. Which was sad, cuz they had such well-rounded arcs both individually and together last season.
Did Benedict just forget he could paint? He says he's meandering aimlessly in life when it was established that he really did have talent, even if Anthony bought his way into the institute.
I don't think the sibling drama was needed between Lady D and her brother. I loved him with Violet, but him and his sister's angst had no bearing on the overall story. Like he could've not been her brother and it would've been fine.
The whole season was like they were trying to hold the attention of an ADHD child, it was just too much. And then they just skipped to the end with Colin and Penelope having a kid and Colin having a book, without ever seeing what their relationship is like. We all knew they'd be happy, but what are they like as friends who married? Guess we'll never know.
1. I was not into the Mondridges at all. Sorry but I was bored.
2. Benedict story left me uneasy, justtttt sex sex sexxxxx. Now I am nervous about Benedict’s season. Who is Sophie gonna be?
3. I feel like they wasted our time letting us love John. They didn’t even let us enjoy 1 kiss between the two of them. The writers make Francisca fall I love wayyyyyy to quickly with Michelle. I am so angry. Did I mention how sad I am that we didn’t get a single steamy kiss between John and Francisca. So sad
4. Eloise was very not-Eloise-ie. very self absorbed.
5. I loved Lord Vegie-man. I feel like they wasted our time here too. Nothing happened with him
6. I can’t stand Anthony and Kate. It’s way too much to explain here
7. I heard too much about Pen being a wallflower, being over looked, being ignored….goodness she is a published writer. A business owner!!! For the love of God she is the prize!!!! That part was too short compared to the length of time we dwelled on her not being enough or just being publically humiliated. So annoying and so sad and just a no for me
8. I felt disappointed at the end. I came out feel like I wasted a year of longing and another month of anticipation between part 1 and part 2
WHAT? I didn't even understand, that cousin Michaella is my favourite Michael from a book!!! Hot-hot Michael! One of my favourite books!! 😭😭😭😭🙈🙈🙈 Noooo!!! Why did they do it???
Lol agree 100%
We have mostly the same exact thoughts on this, so many sideplots and characters I just don't care about. I don't mind them on the side but each one got equal time to the actual main plot. I was one of the people that loved the first half, no notes at all, but the second half was so disappointing - except for Peneloise & Violet finally getting some.
I just don't understand the incessant need to change the source material when adapting it to the screen. Like, why? It RARELY ends up better than the books. The job should be to translate it to the screen as authentically as possible while enhancing as opposed to detracting from the original story. Ugh.
I also wish they hadn’t revealed LW to the ton this season. They could have kept Cressida (and they could have even picked up in the middle of courting season…nothing says they can’t). But agree 💯 she should have been able to have a happy wedding. The brooding and angst was Brutal. Romance forsaken for drama.
I wasn't quite a fan of the first part, but the second one really made me count my blessings with what we were given before 😂
I feel like it is a bit scary to criticise the season since there is a chance to be deemed as a hater BUT
First, Francesca... I don't care about the gender swap, the whole idea of the first part was that love comes in different shapes and sizes and that quiet love is also a type of love and you don't have to be swept off your feet and stuff. So it was nice to see a man who wasn't a rake, wasn't spending his days at brothels and sniffing the girl he likes. And then the girl who said that love can be calm and quiet seems disappointed at the kiss and seems to be swept by a girl she meets for the FIRST TIME. I mean... poor John, he is bound to die young and his girl is already emotionally cheating even before they are wed. It doesn't even matter if they were gender-swapped, it is just so illogical - to build a nice story about different types of love and still go with pining and drooling over a person you have just met.
The gender swap is complete and utter sh!t. Fran wants kids! A family, and a woman can't give her that. Her struggle with infertility is a major part of her storyline. An adaptation doesn't have to be a 100% copy of the source material but the changes still have to make sense and the characters still have to be recognizable.
Just to get the facts right: Fran and John are already married when she meets Michaela. Let's see how this plays out.
@@willdo2909 Fran loses the child she's pregnant with after John dies. Her reason for re-entering the marriage market is bc she wants to have children. There is no waiting for this to play out. A woman cannot give her her own children. It's not possible unless they introduce magic into the show. Plus, I simply want Michael the character from the books. A lot of us just want the characters we fell in love with in the books. There's nothing wrong with that.
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 I am not quite sure why you are so ... defensive about it. I was just correcting a fact from the original comment regarding the marriage. And not everybody is like you, not everybody expects the same thing, not everybody has read the books. I am sorry if the show is not what you expected but you are free not to watch if you don't like what you see or assume you are going to see.
@@willdo2909 Are we not having a conversation? And the majority of the fanbase were disappointed with this season. The response isn't mixed whatsoever, ppl are upset. If they go ahead with these changes I won't be watching. Sorry for the tone of my reply to you. If you thought it was agressive that's my bad.
I think not sticking to the books in terms of order is a big mistake. Book accurate or not (Idk I never read them) Benedict no longer painting at the end of S2 was the perfect time for him to feel ready to find someone. Or even if not intentionally looking, when he found the right person he would be more ready to settle down as he lost a great purpose in his life through art so throwing himself into something new or someone would have been an interesting arc. I also think the reveal of LW should have been stretched further, this was a big point of tension for the show and without it, I fear the other seasons are going to fall into the bad pattern other shows do which is create drama for no reason. I am so afraid of season 4. I do believe Benedict is next but he should have gone before Polin.
In the book series Benedict's story comes before Polin and his art is what connects him to Sophie. In the book the whole Lady Whistledown reveal happens 10 years in the future when Penelope is 28 and Colin is 33. Big difference.
One thing I did NOT like about the Benedict storyline was the scene the morning after the proposition and he's sitting with the cougar (What's her name? LOL) and he clearly tells her he has been around this before and he was never tempted. Yet she pushes him as if to be like "You'll never know if you don't try" and when he pushes that off she goes "My servants are very discreet". He said he wasn't tempted which I later found out he does like men but the fact remains he told her he wasn't into that. She should have respected his decision but no she had to push him just in case he likes men. It's horrible when gay men are told "Have you ever been with a woman? You won't know until you try" bull crap. I wouldn't be surprised if the show runner does a double whammy and now Sophie is now Samuel the footsman.
I hated how much of the dialogue was tell v. show and it felt like pandering half of the time.
Characters kept saying how they felt without us seeing how they got there.
I loved the female empowerment theme, but we saw that in the past two seasons and every time a character talked about what it is like to be a woman and how they are achieving something as a woman, the dialogue just treated the audience as they were stupid. We saw constant examples of that in previous seasons to now and did not need the dialogue to shove that in our face like we are idiots.
The new show runner, in my opinion just contradicted all the work and resonance that the previous one had in part 2.
Her changes should have started in season 4 not in the middle of the season that was already well written and set up. But that is my opinion.
In the book colin knew before he and pen did anything...
I hated how duplicitous the show made her. I couldn't enjoy anything because the whole whistledowm secret was hanging over them.
Man, I'm so glad I found your channel because of Bridgerton. 😂 You're so funny. Colin really needs a smackin'. 😭💀
I legitimately don’t care for any of the sex scenes. I’d much rather focus on the romance. I think the sex scenes is really just a product of lazy writing.
SAAAME. Ugh
Agreed! That’s why I primarily loved season 2, because the writers didn’t feel the need to resort to lazy sex scenes, they kept it pure & filled with stolen looks and longing, which is what romance ought to be! Disappointed this season with the over-reliance on sex and subplots that take away from what should have been the romance build up for Colin & Pen!
Cressida is going to be extremely important in Benedict's season so it makes sense they didn't give her, her happy ending and redemption arc just yet!!!
Thank God, her storyline for me was way too depressing, I know it's the 1800s, but Eloise treatment of her and no-one sympathysing with her except debling who evaporated into thin air makes the ending so sour 😢
I was really annoyed that Pen and Colins wedding was just overshadowed and then the queen ruining their happy moment. Like with waited a long time for these characters to get to together they deserve a happy wedding. And totally agree with Mondrich and Benedicts storylines they were just really random and not thought out. I found Elosie really annoying and I feel Cressida should have got together with Lord Debling. I actually really liked Violet and Lord Anderson and I'd would have preferred more focus on them then the Mondrich or Benedict storylines or just focusing on the main characters.
Overall I really liked part 1 but i feel part 2 was really messy and disjointed. And I found some of the season quite boring. I think with season 3 they just had to many storylines. Anyways I think with these big shows it's hard to please everyone and different people have different opinions. If a season 4 or spin off comes out I'd still watch it.
I love this entire video, great takes. The part with Francesca definitely went againts her whole message and character. I think they just did that to try and really reel in viewers with a queer relationship. In the books iirc they start of as really good friends with zero romantic feelings from Fran's side. they should have stuck with that so they could keep Micheala and Francesca's romance in like with her version of love. It would make more sense and be more compelling over all
I totally agree with your analysis. In a nutshell, Season 3 sucked. The new story lines (i.e, Mondrich, Debling, Cressida, Violet/Marcus) were very weak, the costumes and hairstyles were clownish and the threesome scenes for Colin and Benedict were awful. There was barely any romance for Polin. The actors have more chemistry in real life than they did on screen this season. I could go on and on.
Oh my god, the threesomes! Why did we have to see Colin having his paid for threesomes TWICE?
Penelope is horrible she wrote about her family and friends, plus how everyone kind of accepted what she wrote, plus her speech was a snooze fest. Im sorry, but what kind of friend does the things she did to Eloise (probably spelled worng)
As a person named Sophus, i find offense in that he didn't know the name existed.
Yes all of this. And the actors had so much steam in the promotion and they basically made it all negative. I wanted happiness
Even though I really enjoyed the second part of the season overall and I have watched it through twice now, I do agree with a lot of your hangups about it. The mondrich storyline seemed to have been included primarily for the purpose of setting up for some future seasons. I think they will have more relevance in Benedict and Hyacinth's seasons. The way they ended Cressida's season arc had me shook and sad. It seemed an obvious choice would have been to marry her off to Lord Veggie 😂 Especially since I loved Lord Debling and wanted him to have the marriage he sought before he left for the northwest passage. Sending her off to Aunt Jo in Wales is really giving nothing and the way Eloise was never there for her to support her once she knew she was getting married off reflected poorly on Eloise. I am curious if the letter writing Eloise does from Scotland will also include letters to Cressida in Wales and if that will have any bearing on Eloise's future story, otherwise all the time spent on Cressida development makes no sense at all. The actress for Michaela is stunning but personally I would have loved for her to be for Eloise instead of Fran. Even though I didn't read the book for Fran, I hated how they torpedoed her relationship with John because they want Fran to be gay. Their adorable neurodivergent love story was invalidated just for this and I honestly didn't feel it was necessary. I wanted her to have her two great loves storyline and that could have still happened even with a Michaela if they made her bi/pan. But personally I think the two kids who were most likely to be LGBT based off the series so far, were Eloise and Benedict and for the life of me I don't know why we couldn't give the gay storyline to Eloise. The chemistry she had with Cressida this season not to mention her previous established ways of being really lends itself to a queer reading. All in all, I had fun with the second half of this season but think there are several things they could have done differently that would have been better.
There exists a gay character in the books. Given, he only appears in the last book, but they could introduce him earlier and give him an intriguing sideplot, instead of shoehorning queernees onto canonanly straight characters.
I am a die hard Bridgerton and I have to say I was less than impressed with this season, it felt very rushed. I have not read the books but I doubt it was as BORING. As to the first two seasons- the joy of the chase was what I loved- season 3 just didn't have it, here is to hoping season 4 will be better
You're a die hard Bridgerton (fan) and haven't read the books? Doesn't make sense to me, tbh.
Agree. Mr. Mondrich is so annoying. He's too pouty and negative, always makes the same scorn face. A rich person definitely wrote that storyline. "being rich is not all that because you lose yourself buhu"
We were all rooting for Cressida, that mean blonde girl trope is so outdone as well.
Just a small thing but I sometimes thought Lady Tilly was Cressida from a far because they look similar.
Cressida did exactly what Penelope did, but Pen was forgiven and Cressida was not.
(The blackmail aside, their actions are really similar)
I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion, but I really dislike Penelope's character development. To me, it seems as though the show never gave her a genuine personality other than being involved with the Bridgeton's and being whistledown. I didn't get 'girl boss' energy from her. It more so came across as " I exposed everyone because it made me feel less like a wallflower." (Reminds me of bullying) She also said how being lady Whistledown was power, yet she used that power countless times to talk negatively about a family she "loves". When she was justifying her actions, I think she just came across as bratty. I also didn't feel the chemistry with Colin and Penelope. He had to put in no work to be with her. I couldn't see why they loved each other, other than one day they just decided to. I think this whole season was an absolute mess. However, I was let down by Penelope. I think they should have done a movie or spin off of "Unmasking Lady Whistledown" and then Colin and Penelope find each other after that.
I have read all the books and after this season I will not be watching anymore the fact that they turned Benedict bisexual and turned Francesca next husband Michael sterling into Michaela so she will be a lesbian in the future, it’s just become so off script I just can’t believe that they are going this route, and before you all start calling me homophonic I’m not , I am just a really big fan of the books, I know they can’t be exactly the same, but switching characters sexuality it’s just stupid
There were too many things going on at once.
Francesca's romance seemed like an afterthought. She deserved an entire series just like her siblings did. That was frustrating to watch. She needed more attention. They could have broken this down that in the first half of the season, it was about her. Midway through, her story is done, Colin returns, and his story begins. That's what I would have done.
As for Benedict...that's my boy and I needed more of his story. There was no substance to it, and I wanted more. What I WILL say is that at the end of the final episode when they mentioned the masquerade...I actually gasped out loud! (I know what that means and its importance...) I also think bisexual Ben was believable. I'm kinda glad they went that way with him. I know it's what the fans wanted for him.
Eloise rounded out well, I'm fine with her story. I'm also fine with Violet getting her groove back. I LOVED seeing more of Gregory and Hyacinth! There was a moment when Anthony said that the brothers needed to talk, dragged #2 & #3 away, leaving Gregory behind asking, "Am I not one of the brothers?" Meanwhile, seeing Hyacinth so eager to be a part of society in ANY regard was just precious.
Colin and Penelope were...chaotic. It was actually stressful to watch. I'm glad it resolved AT LAST...but, it was difficult to enjoy it. All of the acting was great, don't get me wrong, but it was a little too much anxiety.
I still love this show, but this season left me a little...I don't know...less excited. I know what the next story is going to be about, given the context clues, but I guess we will see.
Watched a lot of commentary on the second half these past days but yours is by far the best. I agree basically with every point you made. Also appreciate the grown up approach and not stomping your feet like others. Spot on!
You do not need to know anything about clothing to know the answer to "Are the costume period acurate" is just NO. I love them! they do an amazing job on them and I just want to live in that closet, but no, they are no where near accurate.
I like the way you tell the story. Make me laugh hard 😂.
Agree to almost all you said particularly the Colin part. Too much drama and angst. People fall in love with the kind and emphathetic Colin that we only get to see in the last few minutes of the show. Writer should have focus on them fighting together rather than them resolving the issue individually.
Show could have been better and your right, we still gonna watch it despite all our criticisms. Haha.