honestly...I'm not sure how anyone could dislike these videos by Alan...they're easy to listen to, good quality, straight to the point with a lot of knowledge. Love the content y'all are putting out! I'm so stuck on what to do next...my 2016 FoST is FBO E30 by JST and it runs flawlessly. But if I want to target the 350-380whp mark while keeping my torque high (currently Im pretty sure I'm running the max numbers ppl get around 300whp/420-440wtq based on how hard its pulling even BT cars)... I like the idea of not having to upgrade a single component besides the turbo and a tune if i went with the Garrett PowerMax. I think I could be happy around the numbers I mentioned...still reliable on the factory clutch, axles, etc but a noticeable bump on the top end where the K03 just dies off. $1070+$couple hundred for a new tune, easy weekend doing the swap, done. These turbos are great, Id love to make 440+whp but then you're talking thousands in additional supporting mods I dont think I'd honestly care to do for a daily driver.
What a fantastic video. I'm literally choosing to order from you guys here shortly due to how much effort you put into this. Makes my buying decision easy!
Hey guys thanks for the Focus content! Just got an ST and the halfsend project is everything I want in my car! Would you guys happen to know where Edwin got that rear diffuser from??
I'm stock fuel system/stock block. My ST mechanic is recommending the BNR 3071 over the BNR 2867 even on stock fueling as it is more reliable and bigger. I was curious what your thoughts were? I dont plan on AUX fuel or building the motor but I will consider a meth kit after big turbo
Did you end up going with the 3071? For those wondering: 3071 will have more lag than the 2867. 2867 is perfect. 3071 leaves a lot of folks wishing they went smaller as the lag is too much on such a small engine.
Question: instead of the Tial BOV, can I use the Turbosmart BOV Dual port? Do you all sell a BOV flange kit? I understand the GTX2867 turbo kit you sell comes with the Tial BOV
You can use anything. It's just that the kits that are out there use the Tial flange so it's more common. But for example, we have a custom built hot pipe with a Go Fast Bits 50mm v-band BOV on ours. So you can do whatever you want if you venture away from the kits.
Awesome video! Do you think the bnr 3071 is 500 whp capable? I'm talking 2.3 stroker, E50, etc. If not then how close do you think to 500? I'm at a much lower elevation then ya'll, 850~
In theory, I think it might. But you'd be stretching it's limits quite a bit and that's not something we usually recommend. But it'll at least get close I think. 450-460whp is going to be the sweet spot for that turbo.
@@EdgeAutosport can you do that with the BNR3071 (stock wastegate its comes with) and Evo XDI HPFP combo? I was trying to minimize my component upgrade, to keep things simple. 2 parts, new tune, done. Then just decide if the RS/similar clutch would be good for that turbo, wouldnt want anything crazy for a daily driver.
My stock turbo blew, I need to order a new one soon, very soon. But I can't choose between these two!! I like the faster spool of the 2867 and the option for ewg in the future. But the price of the bnr 3071 is hard to beat
What'd you go with? I know with these, you have a lot of additional costs to support the bigger turbos. But if you went with something like the Garrett PowerMax that Alan has demonstrated in other videos, you can literally 'bolt on' anoter 15-20% power without touching a single other component. Just tune it and go.
@@dham99 I went with the Garrett 2867 gen2, love it drives like stock but more pull. Still no aux fuel or meth yet so not pushing it to its limit but it's fun!
@@sategllib2191 so u don't feel the extra power with the bigger turbo compared to stock. all that's better is the pulls? ur speed hasn't increased during the pulls and it sounds the same? I'm getting rdy to buy a atp gtx 2867r Gen 2. but I don't want it to feel like it's stock at all lol. I plan on doing aux but might not be right away
@@swizzayeee7981 no you can definitely feel the power increase. And catless the turbo is pretty loud through exhaust from the outside. I think I blew the slave cylinder so it's been sitting for months lol. I just meant it drives cruises and can drive it slow like stock. Gas mileage is awesome too
@@sategllib2191 nice I'm planning on either getting this .64 or the 3071r Gen 2 .64. Can't decide. I don't wanna get too crazy and have to build the block. I just want to be quicker around 350 to 380 whp
By any chance does anyone know the parts that are needed to run a Mishimoto M Line big Intercooler. Just like the one that’s on focus that’s running the 3071 turbo. Currently looking on forums but no real detailed information out there… any help would be helpful!
how would the BNR3071 do with the EVO XDI HPFP vs the aux fuel? Much simpler swap...could that combo hit the same numbers? and will an RS/oem clutch be okay on this?
Should get the same numbers from xdi vs port. RS clutch should be fine as it’s rates for 440 tq. I ran stock clutch on my 2971 w 2 port for well over 30k HARD miles with no issues but I didn’t launch it much.
Did you floor it right at 3k? I'm wondering would the 3071 spool up faster if you matted it slightly earlier than that. I do autox and road course and I'm worried about bogging low rpm in 2nd.
Thats just kinda where we start our power pulls from usually - spool is awesome for autoX, so maybe even consider the 2860R II for really quick spool and a more modest top end goal. You definitely don't want to wait for power on a short track.
@@EdgeAutosportOK, I'm not dead set on how I want to do this car or if it'll be tracked future. The 3071 only appealed to me because it has that keep on building power feel all the way to redline at least that's the way I interpret it from the graph. I'd probably drop autox with it if that were the route I took. Do you know what type of top end power I could get out of a 2860?
How much would be expected on 93 with the 3071? Would 3071 on stock fuel 93 be a good daily? I actually kind of like a little bit later spool. Easier to daily drive and not make boost all the time.
I'm assuming you're asking what the AR size is on the turbos in the video. The GTX2867 was a 0.64. I'm not sure what size the BNR71 is to be honest. But it only comes in one size.
@sategllib2191 no it does not. This proves a 2867 spools faster. It was an ATP however BNR also makes a 2867 I think spool times for those would be very similar. As spool times are based on AR size. That is why a 3071 with a smaller AR can spool within a couple hundred RPMs of a 2867.
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I'd like to see BNR2867 vs ATP 2867... or ATP3071 vs. BNR3071.
I wish EWG was an option on the BNRs.
honestly...I'm not sure how anyone could dislike these videos by Alan...they're easy to listen to, good quality, straight to the point with a lot of knowledge. Love the content y'all are putting out!
I'm so stuck on what to do next...my 2016 FoST is FBO E30 by JST and it runs flawlessly. But if I want to target the 350-380whp mark while keeping my torque high (currently Im pretty sure I'm running the max numbers ppl get around 300whp/420-440wtq based on how hard its pulling even BT cars)... I like the idea of not having to upgrade a single component besides the turbo and a tune if i went with the Garrett PowerMax. I think I could be happy around the numbers I mentioned...still reliable on the factory clutch, axles, etc but a noticeable bump on the top end where the K03 just dies off. $1070+$couple hundred for a new tune, easy weekend doing the swap, done.
These turbos are great, Id love to make 440+whp but then you're talking thousands in additional supporting mods I dont think I'd honestly care to do for a daily driver.
Nice video Alan, watching all the way from South Africa 👍
I love these videos! I would like to see how the bnr compares to the EFR turbos
What a fantastic video. I'm literally choosing to order from you guys here shortly due to how much effort you put into this. Makes my buying decision easy!
Awesome, thank you!
Yeah these guys have the most info on tuning this car by far.
Great video and good info I'm definitely going with the bnr whenever I go big turbo
Can you make a video for focus st with a G25 660 turbo please 👍🏼
Hey guys thanks for the Focus content! Just got an ST and the halfsend project is everything I want in my car! Would you guys happen to know where Edwin got that rear diffuser from??
I'm saying it's really helping me alot because this is the 1st car I'm modifying but it's also my first car lol
There's like a 99% chance it's from Maxton
Are these on stock internal cars and what’s the longevity of these
I'm stock fuel system/stock block. My ST mechanic is recommending the BNR 3071 over the BNR 2867 even on stock fueling as it is more reliable and bigger. I was curious what your thoughts were? I dont plan on AUX fuel or building the motor but I will consider a meth kit after big turbo
Did you end up going with the 3071?
For those wondering: 3071 will have more lag than the 2867. 2867 is perfect. 3071 leaves a lot of folks wishing they went smaller as the lag is too much on such a small engine.
@orangejjay Allen has done a comparison of the BNR 2867 and the BNR3071 the 3071 only spooled 100 rpm later and put down much higher hp and trq.
Thoughts on the 3071 on a stock bottom end?
Has Edge done any Focus RS’s??
Question: instead of the Tial BOV, can I use the Turbosmart BOV Dual port? Do you all sell a BOV flange kit? I understand the GTX2867 turbo kit you sell comes with the Tial BOV
You can use anything. It's just that the kits that are out there use the Tial flange so it's more common. But for example, we have a custom built hot pipe with a Go Fast Bits 50mm v-band BOV on ours. So you can do whatever you want if you venture away from the kits.
please go on g25 660 . 2.0 duratec
What are your thoughts on Hybrid Turbos?
Awesome video! Do you think the bnr 3071 is 500 whp capable? I'm talking 2.3 stroker, E50, etc. If not then how close do you think to 500? I'm at a much lower elevation then ya'll, 850~
In theory, I think it might. But you'd be stretching it's limits quite a bit and that's not something we usually recommend. But it'll at least get close I think. 450-460whp is going to be the sweet spot for that turbo.
@@EdgeAutosport awesome. Thank you!!
@@EdgeAutosport can you do that with the BNR3071 (stock wastegate its comes with) and Evo XDI HPFP combo? I was trying to minimize my component upgrade, to keep things simple. 2 parts, new tune, done. Then just decide if the RS/similar clutch would be good for that turbo, wouldnt want anything crazy for a daily driver.
My stock turbo blew, I need to order a new one soon, very soon. But I can't choose between these two!! I like the faster spool of the 2867 and the option for ewg in the future. But the price of the bnr 3071 is hard to beat
What'd you go with? I know with these, you have a lot of additional costs to support the bigger turbos. But if you went with something like the Garrett PowerMax that Alan has demonstrated in other videos, you can literally 'bolt on' anoter 15-20% power without touching a single other component. Just tune it and go.
@@dham99 I went with the Garrett 2867 gen2, love it drives like stock but more pull. Still no aux fuel or meth yet so not pushing it to its limit but it's fun!
@@sategllib2191 so u don't feel the extra power with the bigger turbo compared to stock. all that's better is the pulls? ur speed hasn't increased during the pulls and it sounds the same? I'm getting rdy to buy a atp gtx 2867r Gen 2. but I don't want it to feel like it's stock at all lol. I plan on doing aux but might not be right away
@@swizzayeee7981 no you can definitely feel the power increase. And catless the turbo is pretty loud through exhaust from the outside. I think I blew the slave cylinder so it's been sitting for months lol. I just meant it drives cruises and can drive it slow like stock. Gas mileage is awesome too
@@sategllib2191 nice I'm planning on either getting this .64 or the 3071r Gen 2 .64. Can't decide. I don't wanna get too crazy and have to build the block. I just want to be quicker around 350 to 380 whp
How much slower is the gtx3071 gen 2 then the bnr71? I live at a similar elevation with the ATP 71 installed on my FOST. I hit full spool at 5k
Do you need an upgraded fuel pump with the aux fuel rail and atp?
Pros/cons with E85 > E50 with same set up??
By any chance does anyone know the parts that are needed to run a Mishimoto M Line big Intercooler. Just like the one that’s on focus that’s running the 3071 turbo. Currently looking on forums but no real detailed information out there… any help would be helpful!
how would the BNR3071 do with the EVO XDI HPFP vs the aux fuel? Much simpler swap...could that combo hit the same numbers? and will an RS/oem clutch be okay on this?
This^^
Should get the same numbers from xdi vs port. RS clutch should be fine as it’s rates for 440 tq. I ran stock clutch on my 2971 w 2 port for well over 30k HARD miles with no issues but I didn’t launch it much.
@@joshwilson5671 what power/torque were you hitting roughly while you were running it for 30k miles?
@@dham99 400/400, if you keep the torque limited to around 400 the stock clutch will last
Dyno was 396/365 and I didn’t hit full boost due to an exhaust leak.
Would you see a better peak boost with the internal wastegate if you use a upgraded wastegate?
It's less about peak boost, and more about holding boost higher throughout the pull. Give our wastegate actuator videos a watch next.
@@EdgeAutosport I did watch that video, I will have to rewatch it. Thank you I’m looking at a fusion rn wanna put a bnr turbo on
Hybrid turbo with a wmi setup , do you know around how much power that would make because im thinking of going that route?
The hybrids seem to top out around 360 to 380. You would be reaching the limits of the turbo.
How much is the westgate capacity in the first car whit 2867 turbo ??
and is it internal westgate?
The 2867 maxed out at 28lbs of boost on the internal wastegate
which would be the best running on 93. aux fuel
oh, it all depends on your driving style or build goals. Feel free to give us a call if you would like some guidance! edgeautosport.com/contact/
@@EdgeAutosport thank you
Did you floor it right at 3k? I'm wondering would the 3071 spool up faster if you matted it slightly earlier than that. I do autox and road course and I'm worried about bogging low rpm in 2nd.
Thats just kinda where we start our power pulls from usually - spool is awesome for autoX, so maybe even consider the 2860R II for really quick spool and a more modest top end goal. You definitely don't want to wait for power on a short track.
@@EdgeAutosportOK, I'm not dead set on how I want to do this car or if it'll be tracked future. The 3071 only appealed to me because it has that keep on building power feel all the way to redline at least that's the way I interpret it from the graph. I'd probably drop autox with it if that were the route I took. Do you know what type of top end power I could get out of a 2860?
What about BNR turbo for focus RS?
Are these ST have anything done to their blocks/ pistons ect ect?
Both cars were stock motor
What would the 2867r make on stock fuel system on 93 with full bolt on like intake, catless downpipe full exhaust and intercooler.
Probably 350-360whp
Love it, show some EFR tuning plz
gen 1 or gen 2?
was BNR turbo engine built or is it stock block?
Stock
How much would be expected on 93 with the 3071? Would 3071 on stock fuel 93 be a good daily? I actually kind of like a little bit later spool. Easier to daily drive and not make boost all the time.
Spools pretty decent, you'd be looking at 370-395 whp on 93. Wanna make sure your fbo
@@saltierdongs7760 Stock fuel system maxes out at 360, maybe 370 whp I believe
@@sphinxore4499 there's a couple guys in the 380s stock fuel with this turbo mow
@@saltierdongs7760 That's great, Is it just one shop that can produce that atm? or is it becoming a well-known thing across the platform?
@@sphinxore4499 I think just and freektune have been hitting those 375-390 rn I'll have to check again but it's pretty impressive
What air fuel ratio is the 2867? .64 or .86?
I'm assuming you're asking what the AR size is on the turbos in the video. The GTX2867 was a 0.64. I'm not sure what size the BNR71 is to be honest. But it only comes in one size.
Do a video on meth injection for us 🎉
What taillights on the first car
Spec D
Stock blocks?
Yes
Bnr spools faster then atp
Doesn't this video disprove that?
@sategllib2191 no it does not. This proves a 2867 spools faster. It was an ATP however BNR also makes a 2867 I think spool times for those would be very similar. As spool times are based on AR size. That is why a 3071 with a smaller AR can spool within a couple hundred RPMs of a 2867.