Mahindra Thar vs Force Gurkha: Why I did NOT buy Thar . Tug of War Inside!
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2023
- Why is the Gurkha undefeated in Tug of War?
The Mahindra Thar Vs Force Gurkha debate rages on once again, but this time in Tripaccino style. With details never before seen anywhere on the internet, we analyse the tech and the mech behind these jeeps and lay out the facts behind their unique strengths and weak points.
As a tripaccino exclusive, for the first time, we bring up engine performance curves of the 2.6 FM CR and mHawk130 and break open the gearboxes of G28 of Force and 6R320M of Mahindra and discuss their gearing and drive train.
The Thar is a matured product in its lifecycle while the Gurkha promises great potential. Which is your pick?
We have a bonus special segment where we reveal the secret behind cars’ tug of war competitions and their purpose, rather the lack of it.
Let me know in the comments below which of the two is your pick and why?
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This should be a mandatory learning video for anyone who wants to own a vehicle. Any vehicle.
Thanks: that’s too kind Manish !
I think one should always start the comments by thanking you for the time, effort and most importantly patience that goes into these videos. In a jingoistic, loud social media driven world where people just want a winner and zero nuance, these videos are a god send to old schoolers like me. As i said before if Physics was taught like this and with examples of jeeps, I would have never quit Sciences after Class 10th. Thank you for laying it out so beautifully and with logic. Additionally any news on the updated Gurkha to be released after 1st April 2023 due to the updated BS VI norms ?
Thanks for the kind words. It does take a lot of time and research to build these videos with new tech info. the viewership is niche and consists of old schoolers and people who appreciate this type of content, but that’s the channels aim too: instead of a viral jingo tug of war, Tripaccino rather wants to present auto literacy to those who accept it. Thanks 🙏 for noticing and commenting on that perspective.
The new Gurkha will take time. Expect May Jun for 3D and Festival for 5D.
@@tripaccino i mean the audience in Haryana, Punjab and Delhi-NCR is very upset there was no actual tug of war in the bonus section !! What is this click bait stuff man ! 🤣🤣. Not one jeep toppled or got stuck in the snow in -27 degrees when the freezing point of diesel is -9.7 degrees. I was in goa last weekend and wanted to contact you but unfortunately was very short on time. Next time for sure and see your amazing Truck in person.
Hi. Very true u said. I checked with the only dealer in Mumbai who I am in touch. He said they have no official info from the company but yes, a new engine and 18 inch wheels will be there.
Official details will be revealed on 30th April and new roll outs post 15th May.
@@kundansingh914 Goa ? Isn't he based in Andaman?
@@durgeshvengsarkar7077 He has moved to Goa due to his job.
Gurkha for what it can become always from my heart
Any which way, your videos give NEVER SEEN BEFORE DETAILS. Videos are so technical and knowledgeable.
Makes other youtubers look like new born babies.
Thanks for the generous compliments. Durgesh. Thanks for your support to the tripaccino community
Yesterday i visited khivraj motors (yeshwanthpur) bangalore....i was eeally impressed by the build quality of gurkha by force motors, seating comfort, engine bay, that merc diesel engine 😊❤...its really an awesome truck...fingers crossed, hoping to buy one soon🎉
All the best for your purchase !
That last line hit me hard. "I bought the Gurkha for what it can become" that's poetry dipped in engine oil. I don't think I could've said it better.
Grateful 😇
Really appreciate the effort you take to make these amazing content for the tripaccino community. Thank you.
Your appreciation and feedback keeps me going ! Thanks a lot brother for taking time and leaving a comment
The Gurkha has stopped the production of this model. The new model may hit the market next month. There is no point of this comparison at the moment.
@@ASWINALORA you’re right brother.
Btw our channel was the FIRST to talk in detail about the new model back in 2022 ruclips.net/video/ql3cc9gSPYA/видео.html We also predicted that production will throttle because of BS6.2 and what’s new in the upcoming model. So we are well aware of the refresh.
🤵♂️Here , we are trying to understand the mechanical fundamentals - those are timeless, no? 👨🏼🚀
Don’t worry we will do one with the G32 after the new one is launched also 🤓cheers
Excellent content. I am sure you must be either a mechanical or automobile engineer equipped with amazing graphical and presentation skills. The kind of research and effort gone into this content is truly commendable. As I mentioned in one of my comments earlier, I accidentally happened to see one of your videos and ended up watching all of the videos in this channel. Watching your videos again and again multiple times has become an addiction to me and this is one of the healthiest addictions to have. Force motors should honor you for your love and passion towards their product and I strongly feel they must consult you for product management and enhancements to Gurkha. This is the 7th time, I watched this video before going to sleep and I also aspire to own a Gurkha someday for its sheer road presence and off-roading capabilities. Having seen your videos, luxurious fancy cars with very high speed limits, tech-savvy interiors and exteriors no longer excite me. Unfortunately I am yet to learn driving as I am scared of driving in Bangalore traffic even though I am in my late 30s. Once again thanks a ton for such awesome content. Looking forward to more videos from you. Wish you great success for all your future endeavors.
Thanks Karthik ! This is such encouraging words. Made my day. Thanks a lot.
Please try to overcome the inertia and learn driving. It’s a life skill and opens doors to many opportunities and hobbies. Wishing you the best ! Thanks for sharing 🤲🏻🤝
@tripaccino yes will enroll into driving classes at the earliest 🙂
@@karthiknags3423 all the best nag! see you on the road sometime!
Brilliant video!!! My 2 cents;
1. You have not considered the weight difference between the two anywhere. The 400kgs extra kerb weight on the Gurkha can never be offset by making any mod.
2. Comparing what a Gurkha can become with what Thar is as it comes from the manufacturer is a bit skewed perspective in my opinion. Slightly modified Thar will throw the Gurkha out of comparison at once.
3. Except for the cabin space I dont see Gurkha scoring any points over the Thar- blank slate to blank slate or from slightly modded to fullfledged, nowhere close.
4. Gurkha has the presence no other rig has in India right now. That is it. All of us buy the Gurkha just for that and ofcos as I said for the cabin space. We are Gurkha fan boys pretty safe to say 😂
Excellent and very informative, learned a lot of new things I wasn't aware of.
Good stuff, keep it up👍
Thanks 🙏
Please make a video on remapping ecu.. Your content is really educational.. 👍Perfect point to point 👏
As soon as possible
Hi bro romba naal achi unga videos ethuvume nee innum upload pannalaiya nangalam waiting for ur videos❤😊
Sure will put up something soon 🔜
Lovely video as always. But I don’t understand the need for xtreme configuration when we already have the THAR. Low performing big bore diesels are fun in their own way. Who always wants to win races and off-road events.❤ It’s fun being outside the rat race.
I didn’t know older 2.6 Gurkhas had bigger turbos😮, that’s new to me. And smaller turbos are punchy enough especially right at bottom end where I need them the most uphill while overtaking. Just today evening I beat a loaded truck in second gear😁🍻🍻🍻.😅
Thanks doc. 🤠Your breed of the technically curious are my main target audience. Glad you liked it. ! 🫡
‘Low performing big bore diesels are fun in their own way’ .In their ‘own’ way. Yes.
Lend me your ears for a detailed tech breakdown . I know you’ll enjoy it 🤓.
First let us clear out the air ⚙️tripaccino’s 2.2 recommendation is not coming from a jingoistic paper tiger camp which simply mongers more digits to claim pointless supremacy against rivals. (Baap Kaun hai brigade) I am totally with you on that one doc. , and it’s annoying how people who have never driven either - are quick to diss the Gurkha just declaring it’s ‘underpowered’. But our contentment with the 2.6 is short lived. Read on: 😃
As we discuss in the video, the Force staple FM2.6CR is ageing and long in tooth, but it works. Low end grunters like 616 are enjoyable in certain applications when one’s not in a hurry. Best for people movers and commercial haulers. The OM616 is sufficient for ‘most’ things, ambling up hill roads in a relaxed and comfortable manner, like you use it for, is one of them.
But there are a host of other ‘normal’ applications where the present mech suite finds itself wanting.
I have driven the Xtreme on road and off-road and there’s a reason I miss its suite. ( in terms of brutal power burst I miss the BS3 even more but that’s going too far back . That bs3 could burst out of a standstill and take inclines like nothing else can) The 2.2 mHawk of the Thar and the FM2.2CR (OM 611) of the Gurkha are not the same in behaviour. At this point I’m tempted to make another video building up the engine curves of the 611 compared to present duet. The lower end of the 611 is as torquey as the 616. It additionally climbs to 1600 revs to give a healthy mid range and a robust top (for diesel standards). It holds its torque flats wider and is smooth surge of power in mid range where most normal driving happens on trails and flats and sands.
If we follow the drive train animation in the video , today’s Gurkha is limited in torque absorption right out of the engine at the Gearbox level itself. The G28 has a cut off on the torque it can handle. The G32 expands this band significantly.
The suite of the Xtreme put out a mouth watering FDR thanks to better ratios at each stage including lower gears in transfer case and even diff on axles, which made the truck so versatile over a wide range of applications on and Offroad. Forget the competitions and off-road events ( which btw should be one of the strong use cases for a purpose built offroader, but niche) Even in normal trails and forests I have tried to keep up with the Xtreme and there are many places , where momentum is key to cross certain obstacles , the Xtreme will chug through, while the Bs6 has to go technical . Normal hill driving is ok, but if you’re taking steep slippery inclines on a fully loaded camping 🏕️rig, you will have to carry speeds at higher gears. We are no more in the comfort zone of 1st+4x4Low in these scenarios and I have missed the 611 and it’s drivetrain sorely here.
The larger turbo reduces power gap between gear changes and makes dollops of torque available just when you need it.
The small turbo will punch lower but at these higher revs is simply choking the train.
The cushion that healthier FDR offers is also good for upsized tires which once you try in the Bs6 you will realise that torque at wheels gets shaved off and if you go a bit optimistically high on tire dia, suddenly you’re not smiling up those slopes anymore.
So the 2.6 is good enough for many, but if you want to build out the best of version of itself then you need what the Xtreme had up its sleeve. And no - Thar cannot do that.😺
Hope I engaged you 😊
loved this video of yours. Pls make a video for new 5door Gurkha. I has a lot of changes, and how does it lie on the charts compared to thar and old bs6 gurkha.
Comin right up!
Yess pls
Kudos for all the effort. The video was short despite being almost 26 minutes long, was so engrossed into the interesting video.
I was afraid length might get dragging, but couldn’t convey in depth if I chop down to shorten. So glad you didn’t find it drag !
I'm a hard-core research scholar. I know how difficult to reasearch on any topic if we wanna get deeper knowledge. In this video I'm assured and appreciate your research work on Gurkha and Thar. I was supposed to purchase Thar but after seeing Gurkha it was like LOVE at FIRST SIGHT. Later I stopped thinking about any cars on road apart from Gurkha infact we see rarely in Bangalore. Still doing lot of research don't know when I'm gonna invest huge amount it. I own ROYAL Enfield Interceptor 650. Seriously I know the value of engine and engineering of any machine. I don't wanna ride any other bikes after using it and many said it's not worth investing 3L+ on bike but I love this machine. Similar way goes with GURKHA. Less mechanical work rugged and tough look makes it more attractive which I love it and more over I know that I'm not riding my car or Jeep on race track so i limit and maintain my speed. Thank you once again and waiting to hold the steering of it.
Thanks for the detailed comment. I myself sailed the Research Scholar boat few years ago during my doctorate days and I can understand your passion for technical content. Wishing you the best and please share the videos with other research scholars.
Thanks a ton & appreciate your efforts, knowledge to make such videos. Loved it.❤
So nice of you
Very well explained, being a Gurkha owner I was not aware of all the mechanical stuff. Really helped me understand my own machine better. Thanks a lot for putting up this video.
Glad it helped. Do watch my other Gurkha specials !
@@tripaccino have seen all the videos, have been watching them before my Gurkha came in Jan. I too am a member of the pan India BS6 Gurkha group :)
Ah! Thanks then 👍🙏😺
Really very deep sense of off road capable two beasts.Every off road enthusiast to learn these facts through this very informative video.excellent work.
Thanks. Please share in your WhatsApp groups to benefit other 4!wd folks
A knowledgeable youtube content. Thanks for sharing the knowledge with everyone :)
My pleasure! Spread the word about the channel please
Loved the intricacy of it. The last bit had me in splits. Kudos.
Tug of war !!! Baap Kaun hai ?
The most practical and best comparison. I've been looking for this kind of a comparison.
Thanks do share it with all your friends !
Hi, Is it possible to fit independent suspension to an older model force cruiser/toofan. thanks
Hi ...can you reply to my query pls
Amazing once again! Very well explained 👍🏻✅
Thank you! Cheers!
One of the landmark video once again. With deep knowledge which educate us about driving the vehicle and how vehicle work. I never knew how gear box and transfer case work.
Thank you brother for in-depth video.
Thanks again! I was waiting for your comment Tarun. How come you were missing in my first batch of viewers I was wondering 💭 hope all is well with the family and health now 🙏
❤❤ nice explanation bro
The real comparison of Thar is not against Gurkha but its against the Jimny now as their numbers seem to have overtaken Gurkha numbers (off the road) in a hurry!!!
Thinking about it, Gurkha xtreme was the bomb. Rigid axle suspension, stock lifted. G32s are much smoother. Man, FM should really get their stuff together. They literally had the formula which would work wonders. They deadass had to kill their golden duck. RIP.
GREAT VIDEO BTW. HOLY :o
Yea I miss the Xtreme too. FM had to discontinue because of very less demand for a hard core solid axle based off-road specific truck. I wish they had brought it back. 😊would have picked it up without a blink.
Updating the 2.2 140would have been expensive additionally as the 2.6 is staple across the board, cost which they would have avoided. Let’s see the new tune in Bs6.2
You, sir, are a legend! It's one thing to be so involved with your vehicle, and another to be so intricately detailed with your content. From your TBHP threads, to this channel...gorgeous stuff. So much to learn, and process. To me, the Gurkha's aspirational value has increased manifold thanks to your creed of "gentleman offroaders". Thanks for existing!
Thanks for following me on both plat forms .Keeps-me charged to produce more quality content
@@tripaccino something struck me and I can't wrap my mind around it. Please, accept my apologies in advance, because this would likely sound dumb...
The Gurkha is ~390 kgs heavier (figures from Autocar India) than the Thar and that leads to the advantage in a hypothetical tug of war scenario as you explain. But how does the torque:weight not influence the outcome, provided all other factors remain same? I mean both cars need to first be able to move itself from standstill before overcoming the opposing force, and the Gurkha is at a disadvantage there (paradoxically because of it's greater weight), no? Not sure if I'm making any sense...
@@midlife-middling Thanks for the question. I expected this clarification and hoped to clear it in comments because it would clutter if I had explained in video and make it too boring.
Outline: None of the factor I mentioned , can work independently so for ease of understanding I had simply de linked them in order of priority. And please do note the disclaimer I have deliberately put in :- The engine power torque and how it is put down on ground is important.
Case 1: If the weight difference is large.
1. Take the heavy rock example. Why does the rock have to move itself? With a small engine if it even manages to move itself a bit, the Thar is going to find it further more difficult as opposite force is now weight, friction and small engine thrust of the rock.
400 kgs is kerb weight difference. It is 20% of the vehicle weight! not small difference.
Also it Doesn't include accessories and mods which will weigh up the vehicle heavily. Let's assume next case and simplify.
2. If the weight difference is comparable, then the traction on wheels will play a part and weight distribution will come into play. Gurkha will be rear heavy, and also aid its traction.
3.If you're looking for physics - then opposing force is friction * Opponent weight. The inertial force is Self Mass x acceleration.This acceleration would depend on the engine definitely. But if your self mass is less then your product is less and hence force is less. So you’re making lesser force to propel against opponent in that sense.
For ease of understanding we are splitting these two physics seperately for ease of understanding - in nature all are happenign parralllely.!
Hope i have not confused you more. Simply one line:
If two gurkha's one fitted with mHawk and one fitted with FM2.6CR, then engine and power delivery would come into play. And the mHawk would win! Until then, weight on the driven wheels rules :D
@@tripaccino Thank you immensely for taking the time and effort to reply. My mind's at rest now, I do understand it so much better! You're the physics teacher, so many of us never had 🙂
Thanks and please do feel free to ask anything . I’m glad you asked this . I was hoping someone would . Because I wanted to explain this particular aspect.
It’s like looking at the same scene through two windows - One is Newton’s second law and other is third law. Both cannot be used together to understand same scene. Scene is happening but you can look through only one window 🪟at a time:
Fun fact: gurkha weight distribution is
Front 1270 kg
Rear 1240 kg
Beautifully explained... You're the God hands down 🙌
Thanks . You’re far too kind
dear tripaccino, the day channels like you start showing million views instead of those 'too ridiculously kitschy' all -talk -no substance -ones, i think we'll be well set on a path to become a much better nation. kudos !
Thanks , sadly people who see the value in well researched content, like yourself are in the minority 🤠 let’s build this together 🤝🤟🏻
i love the scientific approach of comparison and appreciate you putting it forward. My Red Gurkha 2022 has been a can of worms and your videos motivate me to NOT get rid of it.
Hang in there. Keep checking for symptoms. Let the vehicle tell you what’s wrong . Once you cross the hump, the platform is a delight to build upon
Nicely explained ….🎉
Thank you 🙂
As usual excellent details and very very insightful thoughts on both the Thar and Gurkha without any bias. I am a Thar fan but bought Gurkha instead knowing the after sales and aftermarket limitations. But for me Gurkha ticks the box and I'm into DIY and like to purpose build the vehicle for my use case in which Gurkha has lots of potential. Thanks for getting into very deep mechanical details of both vehicles in comparison.👌👌👌👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥 Vera level explanations sago......keep going
Thanks for watching!
Very good Sir.
Thank you for your time! Really!
Now with new Gurkha, all the calculations would change, right? As i understand, new Gurkha's tuned engine is to produce 138 BHP, so would it be like Thar (faster), on higher gears? Also how would the R18 would make a difference (5 of them) - heavier vehicle - on overall performance? Also the ground clearance is increased, will that positively affect overall dynamics, I know it solves the most talked about big issue of hitting bigger rocks with previous generation Gurkha!
Eagerly awaiting your response!
Yes, correct. Ratings would change
Because of 1. New engine tune
2.New gear box (Xtreme gearbox as I have suggested in this video has been accepted by Force for the new Gurkha)
So it will give good low end grunt and good cruise in high gears. The turbo still is the weak link imho and juices out as much as it can but the weight needs to be respected still. Bigger tires will also change gearing ratio and torque at wheel 🛞 as explained in the video. Need to just replace the values from the new owners manual
Good knowledge ❤
So nice of you
Sir The Detailing is Uncomparable with the best in-class explanations. I don't think anything beyond this information could be told about these Vehicles. Whole hearted Thanks to tripaccino . If i am not wrong , can some more info about the Suspensions of these vehicles to suit different needs (Off-Road/On-Road usages) in the Real world . Addition of M-JIMNY will be a compliment .
Thanks for the kind words. Im actually working on a full blown suspension upgrade for the Gurkha. So when I do the debrief on that , Ill contrast how it compares to stock Thar and modified Thar suspension and Jimny.
Not a bit of biasness I see in the whole comparison video👏🏻, Yet I'll go for Force Gurkha.
You deserve a lot more for bringing us all those knowledge at our doorstep,👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 luv & support from Arunachal Pradesh, Northeast India.🤝
Thanks a lot for these encouraging comments!
@trippachino, i like gurkha, but will NOT be using it for offroading. Mostly city driving and highways.
It it a good purchase in stock setting with those use cases?
As an honest advise, There are better cars for that purpose
Brilliant , I can see a lot of work being put into your videos . Are you an engineer by profession ?
Yes, I am.
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Excellent video. You are a man of knowledge.
Thanks share with friends !
@@tripaccino Already did ;)
Sir, you enlightened me, kudos for your earnest attempts to burst myths
THANKS.! Please share with your friends
Hi..I do have a question..
Why can’t force relaunch extreme in bs6..
I wish they could too.
But the market dictates makers. The actual demand for a purely offroad based setup like the Xtreme (Solid Front Axles and factory body lift etc) is very miniscule for them to take the effort to homologate it for BS6. The 'less extreme' explorer with good offroad kit which would satisfy wider audience was instead made into BS6. The engine in Explorer 2.6 was also staple across the board including the vans so one time effort. The 2.2 was unique to the Xtreme and the Force One before it.
@@tripaccino true..
Thank you so much
Great Information Dear
Thx 🙏
Very well explained, thanks for your effort.
Nobody, not even the stupid company 'Force Motors' puts in this much effort to present GURKHA so well. Thanks again and keep it up.
True that
Comment below and let me know which is your pick and why!
Nice infermation video. Now I drive honda wrv but iam fan of gurka and you. Love from coimbatore TN India 🇮🇳
Great 👍 thanks nanba🙏 Tamil la video pannanum Na sollunga pannalam🤝
@@tripaccino brother English is more better. For me. I don't know how many people will see if it is in Tamil. But I would say better do it in both Tamil and English.
Well explained
Thanks
Hi Tripaccino i really want to buy and own The gurkha!! but i saw DCVs video he made a review on ownership on gurkha i was totally the opposite review id really like to knw from you as well Pls help me ! id like to use it as daily and not so extreme exploring ! max would be village roads and open lan or lake side tenting and mountain roads! pls help me!
The gurkha is very good if you’re hands on and expect no creature comforts. It’s an overkill for mild roading and just daily driving. Would advise to ReConsider your priorities based on your needs 👌all the best
@@tripaccino Thank You for your time and helping me with my doubt!! Will really reconsider and give it a thhought!!
When launch new Gurkha 7seater
First 3 door will come soon
Then 4 door.
So informative sir,, I'm willing to buy a gurkha this year help me please for its upgrade sir,, it's my only wish to you sir..
Test drive. Thar. Gurkha. Jimny. Get the Gurkha if youre convinced after that. Tripaccino will always be there to help you upgrade. Check out my Mods video for an idea of what all can be done! Cheers
What if we can remap gurkha ecu make it 130 bhp? Or install diesel tronic ecu.. For 115 bhp? It would perform better..
The present configuration has limitations of remap. The components can only absorb so much torque as per rating,
1. Turbo is tiny presently - very small compared to older Gurkha - so starved of kick .
2. G28 has torque limitation. With power up torque will also boost which G28 cannot absorb
3. The ECU of this gurkha cannot be read right now. Presently no protocols exist for proper remap of this version ECU. (Delphi)So once those are l released it would be better to attempt proper re maps. The present Diesel Tronic option is only a single channel fuel regulator and Wolf has benched the ECU. Personally wouldn’t go for either . Will wait for protocols to be available for proper remap.
Now we are getting 5 door gurkha with 140bhp☺️☺️
As predicted by our channel in 2022 😊
Hello sir, any news on gurkha 5 door launch ..
And thank you for your ultimate videos content and efforts..
5 door might come by festive season 23 only
Salute
The diff lock in Gurkha makes all the difference
Yes it does help to proactively engage before attempting obstacle. In thar it’s reactive engagement after stuck
Please make video on new updates of gurkha 2023
Made in 2022 itself 👌ruclips.net/video/ql3cc9gSPYA/видео.html First channel to bring the updates to you 🙏
What about displacement? Those pull power on the Gurkha is reall. I have seen this engine not sweating at all even in full load, that to 20 years ago in trax avtar. Though this engine never crossed 80kmph, that truck used to have no slow down or behave slower on hill climbs. Either Force is lowering the numbers on paper, cause the 2600 cc displacement for sure can pull a lot than thar
Displacement is the volume of engine.
Pull power is torque. We have shown how gurkha hits peak torque earlier.
We have explained advantage of both in gurkha combined with tractor like gear ratios which all manifest as the great low end puller it is.
Your observations are correct as we have noted in this narration -
‘the gurkha will slowly climb to 100 and stay there all day like a freight train thanks to its large displacement 2.6’
@@tripaccino Thanks. I forgot to thanks you for creating a lovely informative vlog, which was unbiased and completely stats on paper kind of thing.
Being a fan of your videos i do have some questions regarding the build quality and reliability of Gurkha cause I have seen a youtubers video of him complaining about the bad quality rubber plastics used in this car is it true? And should one even consider a Gurkha? And for the newbies Gurkha has the worst mileage
Thanks for your viewership.
Please take RUclipsrs reviews and opinion of their vehicle with a pinch of salt. It’s very subjective and anecdotal. Not correct to generalise the whole product line based on one ☝️ review.
And be advised that ‘views’ and ‘subs’ skyrocket for any negative connotation or bash video whereas truths fetch you fewer eyeballs. So approach motivation of tubers (including myself ) from that perspective.
listen to my narration clearly in this video and I do repeatedly state that there are definite QC issues and the owner cannot expect fill it shut it forget it experience. It demands a lot of involvement. There are teething issues and components randomly busting which the company is fixing and rectifying in subsequent batches but it’s not a matured evolved product as I brought out. Get ready to get your hands dirty . Service Center sin your city if it’s good it’s great , if it’s not it’s a miss. There is no consistency in quality of work and knowledge in service Center a across country, all of them are largely positive attitude and want to help though.
Plastic quality is bad (compared to what? You may want to ask him )
Fact is that frankly The interior trim and plastics are at par with Trax because it’s same dash and parts - it’s commercial , industrial and nothing fancy. It’s easy to live with and wipe and fix. It will last. It’s not the soft touch dashboards that people are looking for because this is not that kind of a car. These are all superficial. There are better cars who would excel in this department. It’s got a lot of jugaad fixes and rough edges which do bother .
But if you want a robust platform to build on. This Chassis is CNC and super stiff. Three part CNC - front axle , transfer case and rear axle bearing part chassis. Bullet proof welded with overlap . Probably strongest among Passenger cars I’ve seen. The insulation is top notch .The build quality of the chassis is extremely good and a blank canvas for us to build on.
Mileage - 2.5 ton 2.6 litre diesel running a low end torquey 5 speed with non existent top end. I would be surprised if it returned good mileage.
Should you ? - You should consider a gurkha only if you know what you’re getting into and have the Will to work with its few shortcomings . If you can do that you can build out a product slowly over the years that can outgun much more expensive cars: it’s a blank canvas . Can you paint?
@@tripaccino is shut it and forget too much to ask for? As a modern product atleast it should be a hassle free experience right?
phase 2 gurkhas are yet to come so let's wait and see the improvements and also it's going to more expensive than the phase 1 models.
Please don’t get me wrong. I’m not defending the gurkha. I am merely stating that it’s not shut it forget it. Whether it’s worth the effort is the individuals choice . There are options out there for all of us. We need to choose our battles accordingly.
Don’t get me started on phase 2 Gurkhas 😹my advise would be to wait for teething issues with the new inclusions iron out before picking one hot out of the even.
Hi!!! I have a question for you. There is a product in the market called Rogerab Suspension Buffer. The company claims that it makes the ride quality more cushy and lessens the body roll. I own a 2021 Mahindra Thar and have been considering to get it installed. Can you please make a video explaining the pros and cons of the same and whether the product is viable or not? Also will it by any means hamper the suspension and it's overall performance in the long run as most of my driving is either on long stretches of the highway, sometimes on the hills or a fair bit of off-road here and there.
Thanks ✌️
Ah! Rogerab. Im aware of these and have run them in their early days on a sedan. These are also band aid patch work temporary solution. They add a polyurethane or foam buffer and increase ride height by extending spring length.
I would suggest please watch my strut top hat spacer review video to understand pros and cons of such temporary mods to suspension. This plays with the coil just like top hats play with struts. I have spoken about spring buffeers as well in that IIRC.
If you want a suspension upgrade I would suggest a full swap with Dr Nano or some kit like that which will be the full term soulution.
ruclips.net/video/wDYovWfnM1M/видео.html
@tripaccino Got your point. Let me watch that video and get back, if any questions at all. Thank you so much for finding time to reply to my query. Cheers 🍻
Anytime brother: my pleasure
@tripaccino I just finished the video you suggested. I had infact seen the video earlier but couldn't correlate then which I was able to do this time. So no Rogerabs for now. I will consider getting the struts changed in future without increasing the height of course. I'm never keen on increasing the height of the SUV or changing the tyre profile drastically because it just damages the essentials in the underside of the vehicle and reduces the off-road performance in some cases. Thanks a ton!!!
Thanks for watching that. It was one of my most knowledge sharing videos , but surprisingly didn’t find as many takers as I expected. 😈Maybe a bit long and draggy for today’s short attention span. 🤔
I guess they'll make changes In bs6 2.0 with 140 hp and 300nm
Check my video I posted last December on that ruclips.net/video/ql3cc9gSPYA/видео.html all upgrades included 🤝
Please add Jimny also to you discussion. Will help people to take right decision
I will review only when I have driven it and Gained some experience with it. Thanks for the suggestion will surely do after I get my hands on it 🙏
How would you recommend the Gurkha 2024....
I was planning to make a whole video on that ! :)
@@tripaccino in anticipation
11:12....its like bolero vs bolero neo..,bolero have gurkha type gear ratio..ie no use with 5th
Nice catch: I’ll vote for an OG bolero anyday 🙏
Thank you Man ❤
You're welcome!
Can you add a supercharger in the Gurkha ?
Bigger turbo would help
Why not use a standard automatic gearbox with a torque converter? This aspect has been known for years by true off-roaders.
Sorry brother. could you please explain. Didn’t get you. Auto box where ?
@@tripaccino instead of a manual gear box!
@@brunoterlingen2203 that part I got. Which truck are you talking about. Thar has an automatic box already as option. You suggest Gurkha to also have a TC?
you have professor's voice
El’ Professor 👨🏫
New gurkha mein engine power mein kuch new aayega ya yahi purana wala rahega
Power zyada aayega. Aur bhi kuch upgrades hai. Meri 2023 wali gurkha ki video Dekhiye. Usme Bata ya Maine.
Tq sir
Brother neega vera leve👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thanks nanba
Bro nanum gurkha vangalamnu iruka but upcoming bs6.2 vangalama illa ippo already irukura model vangalama unga help vendum nandri sago❤
@@rc5147 ippo 6.0 model stock illa sago, production stop aidichu . Enna updates Varumnu oru video Namma channel la irukku. Adha paarunga. Launch pudhu 6.2 May June aidum. Pudhu features settle aaga few months time kudakkanum. So first batch vaanga vendam. Three months ku apparum issues Elam solve pannadhukku apparum vaanguna better pa.
Romba romba nandri sago❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
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One question why Gurkha has low sales...is
Marketing ?
Is it features ?
Is it brand value ?
Is it love angle ?
Why it is not getting sales ? As desired ???????
No sales as desired because there is no desire.
The company is content with selling the numbers it does. There’s no big push for volume. It’s a margin game for Force.
its a combination of the above. My family were Force Motors (then Tempo) dealers for over 20+ years. and the company had very good technically sound products like the Tempo Trax, Traveler, Matador. But jus didnt support dealers in marketing them, no one knew who the manufacturer was. The only time they tried marketing was when they rebranded as Force and launched the Force One which as an old SUV they rebadged for india. If memory serves me right they used Amitabh for that campaign but it bombed due to low brand awareness, mediocre product and no follow up campaigns. Even now if you see their digital platforms they use tacky stock photos and mock up the vehicles on them or use only content shot by users. Which is of poor quality versus the slick ads a Mahindra makes.
@@tripaccino why Force Motors is not diving in hard in the market as the product they have " A capable vehicle like GURKHA" ?.....because there's no other brand's vehicle that soothes the naked eye as Gurkha does....So the question is the Force motors satisfied 🤔🤔
@@gauravthakur9634 force motors is India’s largest van maker: its profits don’t come from the niche Gurkha : the main source of revenue is their engine and drivetrain axle production for Daimler Benz and BMW which is a thriving vertical. Gurkha is the margin product for them. So they don’t go for cut throat pricing or offers or tv ads or banner ads z What sells , sells. And who buys buys. They are in a state of rare contentment with regard to their only passenger car offering.
Trere is huge potential to blow up the gurkha into a solid international offering but Force is not ready for that kind of commitment to the Gurkha. Watch my Indian Grenadier video for the sentiment. 🤔
@@tripaccino beardar I already watched it(granedier)but Gurkha is our own niche defender...that's where it hurts...par mere bhai ji apne toh apne hote hai..😅😅...parayo se kya lagao rakhna ....no matter how good they are...😄
I love your videos 🥹🥰
Spread the word brother !
Did you start a new channel name 'indian jimny explorer.?
No . Only this channel
Ohh sorry. That channel s voice over is exactly like yours.
Yup I heard it after you said 😊
Liked you stuff, i own a thar and totally agree with the fact that these cars are built differently and appeal different use cases. Not that one is better than the other but one can be more suitable for someone than other 🫡
Thanks 🙏
Please share with thar friends