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Agreed. My ex asked me to marry him when we were 23 in front of like 50 different people walking by on the beach. I loved him, but felt he still had a lot of growing up to do and that we had issues to work on in our relationship. I didn't want to say yes, but I didn't want to humiliate him either. So I ended up saying I guess 😅😅😅
I proposed, was engaged for 4 years and i broke it off. He never wanted to get married in the first place. You live and you learn. 😊 now im waiting on my BOAZ.
@@ObitoUchiha-oc3uy not all women, but yeah if your woman wouldn't take the initiative to get on one knee for you dump her, why should the men have to do all of the work?
Right sis. That's my thought on it. Women are nurturing by nature... men not so much. I hope you're blessed with a really good man who submits himself to you alone
First of all , if u want marry a person , u need to talk about it first . ASK this person if he/she want to get married , ask him or her , if i propose u , watch gonna do etc etc . Its not a good idea to propose to a man or a woman if u never talk about it before and u not sure if this person really want to get married , communication is the key in a relationship . For me it doesnt matter who propose , it can be the woman or the man , as long the both person really want to get maried and have a good connection and its deep desire for both .
This all sounds so sexist. Lets reverse things here. What if a woman refusing to be the one to propose meand SHE is not as invested? That SHE is not ready? I think the days or surprise proprosals and depending on the man to propose are nearly over. If you both are in love and have taken the commitment to your relationship seriously then why does it matter who proposes to who first?
Exactly what I thought. This is hella sexist the only relationships to which this applies are relationships were both parties are sexist and live with genderroles
You never want a man in a mists of argument say I never would or wanted to marry you in the first place. You ask me, you begged me. I just didn't want to embarrass you in front of your friends and family.
You never want a woman in a mists of argument say I never would or wanted to marry you in the first place. You ask me, you begged me. I just didn't want to embarrass you in front of your friends and family. Unno-reverso card activated.
This is absolutely outrageous. So if a woman wants to propose to a man, she shouldn't because it's essentially desperate and "trapping men" into a marriage they don't want to be in?? and we should wait around for men to ask us, why? Because we're not worthy of asking men?? We're forcing them into doing something they don't want to do? What about the other way around?? If a woman loves a man and she wants to ask him to marry her, why the hell shouldn't she? This is a load of drivel. Life is so short and you get one go around. Throw silly, old fashioned traditions out the window and propose to the soul you love, regardless of each others gender. Profess your love in every way, shape or form that matters to you and them, no body else!
Comon, would you really propose to a man? It's so cringey, like a man crying more than you do... lol...you can call it double standards, which may be truth, but its uughh... men and women are just not the same gender. sorry.
In MY own opinion I believe every relationship is different. There were times where I’ve seen a girl propose to her boyfriend and the guy had cried of joy and excitement and they are happily married and it’s a beautiful story. I personally believe every relation and couple are different. For the women out there who wants to propose to their man I believe you should get to know them in this aspect to see if they would be okay with it. Throw some hint to them to see if it’s something they would be okay with.. and then from there take the initiative.. you never know. I personally would propose to my man because he was always telling me how he would like to experience that. Cause guys shouldn’t be the only one.. and when I heard him say that it gave me an amazing idea and I’m actually thinking of doing it in a special beautiful way. Doesn’t make a man always feel helpless or low just because they didn’t get the ring. Heck no. No your man, man know your woman and from there work it out. That’s it on my opinion. But everyone has there own opinion tbh 🤷🏽♀️
Everyone should read the book "He's Just Not that Into You" If he wants to be with you he will ask you out, take you to meet his crazy family, and most definitely propose as well as get you down that aisle. Enjoy life and do not settle for less than God's best.
@@lovely1641how much more courageous does it have to be for a woman to do it after all this stigma and stereotypes and backlash. It’s wholesome and y’all CHOOSE to make it “awkward” yourselves
I’m a traditional woman. I would not propose. It is in my opinion that women should not propose, EVER! If a man loves you and wants to share the rest of his life with you, he will propose. Wait on your Boaz!
If she actively wants to she will. Seen it happen multiple times. She wanted to propose so she did. Because a women can also truly want to marry a man and vise versa.
To you, and anyone reading this in the future, if a women wants to propose great! Times change, gender roles and societal norms included. Do what works.
Well for me it's more mixed, if the woman knows that the man loves her 100% and would probably already propose himself, then i dont see the problem, but if its not 100% then a man might be trapped and i agree with that.
Cosmo I see your perspective, but think about it the other way. If a woman is not 100% ready and her significant other proposes, wouldn’t that trap her? All in all, I don’t think it matters to what gender is proposing if they already talked about their future leading to marriage.
Gwenie Beatty Wow, what a rough road!😢That happened to me, & I was crazy in love, fortunately, I recognized what was going on, and ended it after a year. I was so confused how he wanted to spend time, even do thoughtful things,but avoided intimacy...and it was so passionate initially, then he started making excuses about libido issues, etc. It actually hit me much later, that he just wasn’t in love.
We got married for the kids. He never had sex with me after we got married. He was always in the streets. I started to believe he was gay. We are stilt together but the sex is awful.
@@enniswhalen2428 Haven't you ever learned we don't all get what we want in life? These men don't rule the world, but they are entitled to their opinion. We, however, are entitled to disagree. If I ever find a future male partner and I feel I want to marry him, I'll propose to him. Love isn't a battle of power or superiority. It's mutual and should not be heavily impacted by male/female stereotypes.
@@_starry_narwhal_2501 Oh my gosh, I found someone with common sense! I totally agree! Why do women always have to be feminine, and submissive? We aren't animals, we aren't in a fucking wolf pack, so why keep the "dominate" and "submissive" bullshit. We are equal to men, and if we feel like proposing we can. Plus, what makes proposing a "masculine" thing? I've seen way too many comments with those words, claiming proposal is "masculine." Everything this man said in the video can go for women as well, women can feel pressured to say "yes", women can also not be ready, and women can also not ever want to marry, I don't get his point at all. It's all senseless, to think everyone's relationship has to be a construct, a patriarchy, a battle for who is dominate, it's pointless. We are equal.
@@v4mpir1sm dear gosh, thank you lmao. Seeing others with open minds is great. Gender roles have only supported the idea that relationships aren't about bonding, rather dominance and superiority. I've hated the idea that men should be dominant 24/7 because their men and vice versa for women. It's incredibly ignorant. This is 2020, and yet people are living in the past.
Thank you! Everything he said isn't only what a man is feeling. A woman can feel pressured to say yes as well, she can also not be ready at the time the man is. I don't get this video.
Same logic can be applied in reverse, The only reason why you think he’s not willing to go as far is because it traditionally it’s a man’s role to be the one to further the relationship into marriage but he could be thinking about it The very fact that you believe that a woman shouldn’t be “put in that position” goes to show that you still believe in the role that it is not her place to begin with in addition tervis couldn’t the same argument be applied to women when it comes to saying no? Unless you believe in the The mentality that women do what they want and men do what they can thus we have less options... but that’s none of my business again you say you don’t believe in these set gender roles and expectations yet you based your argument off of them
@@ideal8485 He’s just going off of the precedent set by new age feminism which is that man and woman are equal. Stephan said that the reason he doesn’t agree with men proposing to women had nothing to do with traditional gender roles but he then immediately bases his argument off of that saying that if a man wants to marry a woman he’ll make the initiative. Why does the man have to make the first move? Why is it his job establish the relationship? Those ideas of provide, protect and honor are traditional values given to men. If men and women are truly equal than again it shouldn’t matter who proposes first. Me personally, I’m a traditional man so of course I’d want to propose to my woman first but he’s simply pointing out the blatant hypocrisy by feminists. You can’t say men and women are equal and then live out traditional norms.
Totally Agree with Stephan Labossiere - When a man wants you whether for marriage or to be in a relationship with you that man will show it with his actions. I find that roles have changed women want to be the man and some men are comfortable with taking on the women's role.. To each its own. I learned from experience that men will tell you what you want to hear just to keep you in a temporary spot. When you find that one you won't have to question that man's intentions because he will be transparent... Love and blessings to you all!
Real Men and Woman are honest, open, organized... They demonstrate honest actions, even when it's uncomfortable and may not be popular. Real Men do not go as far to marry a Woman because they couldn't be Man enough to say no. There are too many grown boys and grown girls in our community and it continues devastation on many levels and in many forms.
+Chocolate Dee That's not idiotic at all....you can totally be in love with someone but not be ready for marriage.... But also, a person could still be figuring out their relationship when the other person can be completely ready to commit to marriage and propose. People, situations and circumstances are always different when it comes to the heart....not idiotic at all.
Women should propose to their male partners as and when they see fit. We need to move beyond seeing male/ female relationship dynamics in terms of male partners validating women with their decisions and actions. Women have agency in their own lives as demonstrated through their careers, home lives and place within their communities. Women no longer have to wait upon a man to provide financial security and therefore social validation, women provide this for themselves. They enter into a partnership as an equal and therefor expect to act and be treated as one. This also takes pressure off the man to provide everything financially and take the lead in decisions about the direction of the relationship. Women should go for it and enjoy this exciting and happy time in their lives.
He "Man" that findeth a wife finds a good thing. A man should always propose when he has found his help mate. One that is suitable for him and one that is equally invested. Gain a healthy paradigm ladies and I would encourage you not to allow "The World's Standards" to be your moral compass. Don't look for him then pick out a ring to put on his finger.
That’s such a hypocritical statement. Don’t allow the “world’s standards” to be your moral compass but you yourself are dictating of what a lady’s standards should be. Way to go gurl! 👏🏼
Please do. That's incredibly respectable on part of both of you. I've been so tired of seeing the same "a man'll do it when he's ready" in the comment section.
A Man who FINDS a Wife FINDS a GOOD Thing. Make him Earn/Court/Date/Pursue/Invest in you Ladies. All we need to do is be ourselves, when the Right man comes along we will KNOW it😀😀😀
You’re easily capable of doing all of that as well as a woman. The “prize” is that the man gets a partner, but the woman is getting that too. Y’all both can put in effort
Yeah its not just guys who are pressured to say yes and weak to saying no. Women are also pressured to say yes aswell especially when they're being proposed to publicly.
Honestly.... I think it depends on the couple. I don't think this guy actually speaks for all men here. It's not always true that a woman wants to get married first and then has to wait for her partner to come to the same conclusion and propose. I think women don't propose more often, because of opinions like these, which is an actual shame. And truthfully, If both people are happy in the end, I don't know why anyone else should have an opinion on it
I absolutely agree that a woman should not propose to a man. You provided a very key statement when you said it poses a deeper issue/problem when the woman goes out of her way to propose (not verbatim but close enough;)). I believe when the right man comes along and he knows he has found his Queen, he will gladly get down on one knee and ask for her hand in marriage. Thank you Stephan for your gift that you so abundantly share with all of us. #blessings
love how he's making women feel like shit because apparently equal rights doesn't exist anymore. his first excuse was so awful i??? if a man doesn't have the guts to say no he must have a very fragile masculinity 🥴
There are alot of things that woman/man can do, but a woman proposing to a man isn't one of them. Hell you might as well be the man in the relationship.... STAY IN UR PLACE. If he's at all interested in marriage all the woman has to do is dress shop!
@@kevinjose2692 First of all you dnt knw anything abt me or wat I'll try to do.... learn how to proof read an make COMPLETE sentences bfr you try an give an opinion next time. Have a blessed day!
Wait, is this not elligible for both genders? Lmao. A marriage proposal can be tricky honestly, they have to decide at the last minute to decide if they want to be together forever for that is what a marriage is for. A couple of just a couple of months or years probably has a higher chance of divorcing than a couple who has been together for a decade or more, so you should only do a marriage proposal if you have been together for a long fucking time or you will only make yourself unhappy when the moment comes for a divorce.
Your reasoning could go both ways. All those reasons you mention why men would say yes even if they don't want to, are the same things you can say to about a woman that's a yes but don't want to. I personally would say no if a girl asked me to marry her. I'll feel emasculated
I think anyone can propose honestly. Gender shouldn't have anything to do with it. My boyfriend and I know we are going to get married, we've talked about it but havent made it official yet. Rather than waiting for him, I'm going to propose. I know he'll say yes because we've already talked about it and have been together for years. Every situation is unique. You will know when you are ready and if you want to wait for them to do it, that's fine too. But nothing wrong with the girl doing it. We are in 2021. Traditional gender roles are dying out.
I hope you decided To stay in your feminine and fallback! Allow your man to pursue you. They are wired this way! Don’t hunt, don’t emasculate him, attract and approve! Femininity is dying yet rare thing!
Saying Yes, And following through his decision are extremely different! As a man I believe that men of value choose who they want to have Long term relationships..
I agree that men have been prepared for rejection and many women, not ALL, but many who would propose do not truly comprehend that rejection is a strong possibility when you ask someons to marry you. Also TRADITIONALLY, men buy the rimg, pay for the wedding in most cases so asking for marriage pushes a man into liability and responsibility that he may not want or be ready for...
All your points of the man being nervous because there's a crowd, a ring, whatever are the exact same situation a woman is in. If you said that about a woman, I don't people would have the same reaction.
I have a male friend this happened too. He said there was anyone else out there. Oh and he cheated the entire time. They are still together on some selfish crap....medical benefits. Also guilt bc he pays the bills and she can't on her income. They were separated for a year. He went back bc he could afford to pay for rent and her mortgage. Eventhough he went back he was hardly home (traveling for work) . Its crazy because people stay because of the old cliche "it's cheaper to keep her " .
My Dad told me along time ago if a man wants something or someone everyone will know because he is going to try his best to get it .NO WOMAN IN HER RIGHT MIND SHOULD ASK A MAN TO MARRY HER. NO !
If a woman wants something everyone will know because she will try her best to get it NO MAN IN HIS RIGHT MIND SHOULD ASK A WOMAN TO MARRY HIM.NO!! You see how this sounds with the genders swapped? Literally anyone who isn't shy would try and get the one they love.
People wa t equality but they want to pick and choose which aspects they want equality with. Every relationship is different. It's not anyone's place to judge. You don't want to propose to your boyfriend? Fine. But just because someone chooses to do so doesn't mean her boyfriend doesn't want to marry her or that it's wrong. Worry about your own values and relationship. What's right or wrong depends on the couple. What's right for you isn't right for everyone.
This is just conjecture and his opinions. He's trying to generalise how all relationships are but you just can't do that, it doesn't add up. It's simply social conditioning, if a woman wants to propose then why not? It's only marriage, just an old tradition passed on from generations. In the scheme of things nothing changes, you basically just celebrate togetherness and have a big party. Who initiates the ceremony shouldn't be a big deal. People are too caught up in emotional thinking rather than looking at things straight.
I agree! It seems like that would be very uncomfortable on both sides. I just don’t understand if a man that’s in a relationship with the same woman for years and he knows that she’s not the woman he wants to spend the rest of his life with but stays anyways. That bothers me 🤔 I rather a man tell me, we aren’t meant to be together then wasting years from my life in hopes of getting married some day. There’s people living 10 to 20 + years together and with kids on top of that never committing to one another. Fear of commitment is my view but if the woman isn’t for you leave that her A lone.
P.S. I have lost out on good men in relationships because they 'didn't know I was wanted to be serious'... so... If you're the "free spirited" type of woman... you definitely need to know, show, and prove that you're ready to give up your ways and tell him... For "you"... I will... if you ask me...
Why do you think women always have to be feminine and submissive? I've never gotten that point and never will. We are equal to men, so why do we keep this "dominate" and "submissive" bullshit, we aren't animals, we aren't in a damn wolf pack. I have no problem with women proposing, everything this man said can go for the women as well. A woman can feel pressured to say yes, a women may not be ready, a woman may not ever want to marry, so I don't get your point.
And for a man it's not? A man can propose to a woman because he thinks theur relationship is ready to be taken more seriously and it's a feat but when a woman comes to the same conclusion, she's desperate? Absolutely double standard if you ask me.
I always felt like it’s up to a man because they give access to marriage. Men know what they want men are leaders. Let this happen and don’t force it. I’m not putting a ball and chain on any man. I’m not pressing the issue I’m not pressuring him . Love is Free.
I love it! I also stick with the word of God on this matter. When a man finds a wife he finds a good thing and have favour with God! Awesome word and thank you.
The Lord never said anything about who proposes it’s part of the freedom he gave us. You can have your opinion but don’t try to force what you believe on other Christian ms saying it’s the word of God.
@@variangaming8559 Thank you! When we’re talking about saying the Lord’s name in vain, I don’t think it’s saying ‘omg,’ it’s saying don’t put words in God’s mouth
Don't women also need to know if they are ready to commit to a man the rest of her life? A man can propose like what typically takes place but that doesn't mean the relationship will last or the woman will have the ability to say no if she knows she is not ready if he proposes.
Exactly! If he doesn't propose, he doesn't want her as a wife. No saying he doesn't want to be married, just not married to that woman. Men know what place he wants her in his life.
I don't agree with woman proposing to a man. She can want him as a husband all she wants, but it is his place to lead and state his intentions. He knows if he wants her or not and what place he wants her in his life.
*TL:DR I'm traditional and don't care about logic.* Look at this from a purely, logical, rational reason. If a man proposes *he's ready,* but if a woman proposes, *she's not?* We both know that doesn't make sense, and that my friend is *irrational, illogical and unreasonable.* Why would I want to be any of those things?
My ex has suggested I propose. I'm like HECK NO!!!!! I'm just leaving. We were on and off 2&3 years. On total for 1. At this point I told him "No ring I'm out." He said it would take him a year to get everything in order for marriage, but I need a ring and would wanna do a couple mos and I know he would want to have sex and move in together and I'm not interested in that unholiness. Not gonna play that whole game
Maybe if you had to actually had to get to a point where you had to threaten him to propose to you or you’d leave you weren’t that great of a gf in the first place. You can’t even put your pride aside to just propose to your man like both of you could have proposals.
This whole idea a women should be feminine and and a man should be masculine is just enforcing double standards and gender roles. The idea that a relationship needs a "dominate" man and a "submissive" woman is animalistic, and just furthers the idea that women are less than men. Both are 100% equal in a relationship, no ifs, ands, or buts. A women can feel everyway the man in the video said a man could feel
Well my man & I both talked about it. I proposed first & he proposed 3 weeks later. Now we’re happily engaged & getting married in 2 years. I don’t see nothing wrong with it. Every relationship is different. If y’all both are in love...it shouldn’t even matter who proposes first. Double standards much.
There're two minds, two hearts, two people that decide whether spend their life together or not. None of them are more or less than the other. None of them are more capable or skilled to decide when it's the right time for both of you (no all women are willing to marrige and just waiting for the man, you know). You have the right to take initiatives or risks that concern your life. Besides -and perhaps needless to say- all relationship need communication, nobody is going to "trap" someone and nobody is desperate 🤦🏻♂️. Ps: just my opinion, apologize for my English. Ps2: Public proposals sucks no matter gender
I had an idea which I thought was a great one till now. I really want to propose to my boyfriend when we graduate college, which is very soon. Everyone I have went to for encouragement has shut my idea down and popped my bubble. I was looking for videos to encourage me and see if I'm the only crazy girl that thinks this is a great idea. My boyfriend is amazing and talks about living together and he says I'm his whole world. He even talks about proposing but idk I kinda want to do it. This video was a little sad and offensive to me. I'm tired of this whole gender role thing! It's very sad to hear a man say these things. What guy wouldn't want a smart, beautiful women who loves him unconditionally to propose. But yea I guess since I'm not a guy this relationship won't work cuz I'm the one asking. Makes no sense, people need to start changing their views on gender roles. Very discouraging.
Thank you for this! I've been so tired of people repeating the whole "A man'll do it when he feels he's ready!" argument. It's barely valid, as a woman can feel the same, but she's made out to be desperate when she is. If you wanna propose to you boyfriend and you genuinely think you're both ready for a more serious relationship, please, go for it! It would bring us a step closer to breaking a stigma that enforces toxic masculinity and puts down women for being stronger, and you seem like you're both in a healthy relationship if you both want to propose.
As a guy I can say that I was offended as well these people act like women are dummy humans who has to wait on someone to do it for them. No you want something you go after it no matter what sex you are
In the grand scheme of things. A woman just as much is any man or child has a Father giving rate of freewill to do as she wishes and has a right to choose, so as long as she is not using that freewill to harm another living creature on purpose, or emotional. So nobody really has anything to say even if they got hurt, because there is no consequence. With that being said. A woman has to only trust herself and her very first instinct when it comes to that main question that all women either want to hear or what to ask. Always be completely natural, and never ever ignore your instincts about anything, including when it comes to relationships, love, or marriage.
My ex husband asked me in front of an audience that didn't include family and I asked him not to do that. I made the mistake and said yes. Since then I told myself if I found another guy, I would ask, if we had the chemistry to do so.
Go for it, but make sure he wishes to get married with you and sees a future so that way you don’t go through what these girls in the comment section went through and then blame it on being a woman who proposed like these girls
So he’s saying that the man has to do it to show he’s into the relationship, so by that thinking if the women doesn’t do it then she isn’t into the relationship? Why does only the man need to show it?
@@resolute7177 it’s so wrong for a woman to propose to a man that where woman get their heart broken at the end of the relationship unfortunately because they pursue more than the other is… I just because it’s wrong for a woman do that not me doing shit like that !!! Turn off
Stephan, I agree with you wholeheartedly. If a man wants to marry you, HE should ask. If he doesn’t, then there is your answer about your future with him. Hit the delete button.
Ok right out proposing is a no. But I feel that it is ok to throw hints to your man to let hin know that is what you want. Don't just sit back and say nothing. He might think that you don't want to be married. Then allow him to propose to you. Pray sister's pray
I agree with what you have said here. If he wants to be with you he will pursue you and make it apparent that is his intention. I have had several single women friends that have really struggled with their singleness. Always in and out of relationships. They have each gotten remarried in the past year. I sincerely hope their marriages work out, but they were all very short dating relationships and rushed to the altar. I am concerned that they pushed it to happen and that it may not last.
I'm sorry this is sexist. I dont want a man to propose to me. I'm proposing to my man June 29th and I'm sorry he's my soulmate and we both love one another and always say forever and we want a future together. So I'm sorry if a woman wants to propose they can propose. Seems you dont know what love is.
Okay but your argument is that a woman proposing is pressuring the man into marriage when they're not ready. But what about men proposing to women. By your logic here, if a man proposed to a woman, would she not also feel pressure to accept even if she doesnt feel ready?
I am old school and don't believe in women proposing to men. Most female already know whether or not they want to be married to the person they're with or not, a male for some reason unbeknown to me takes quite sometime to realize that he has found "the one", but when he does that's when the proposal comes to play(at least sometimes)To me a woman proposing to a man takes away his manhood and it's just not ladylike...(my opinion).
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I don’t think proposals should ever be public because of the pressure to say yes.
And when they say no it's like public humiliation.
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Agreed. My ex asked me to marry him when we were 23 in front of like 50 different people walking by on the beach. I loved him, but felt he still had a lot of growing up to do and that we had issues to work on in our relationship. I didn't want to say yes, but I didn't want to humiliate him either. So I ended up saying I guess 😅😅😅
And don’t video record it and post it on social media
It's a private moment in my opinion
I proposed, was engaged for 4 years and i broke it off. He never wanted to get married in the first place. You live and you learn. 😊 now im waiting on my BOAZ.
BOAZ?
@49jubilee nigga never purpose to women they just want free cash and resources
@@Jsalcedo23 read the bible (ruth)
@@ObitoUchiha-oc3uy not all women, but yeah if your woman wouldn't take the initiative to get on one knee for you dump her, why should the men have to do all of the work?
Right sis. That's my thought on it. Women are nurturing by nature... men not so much. I hope you're blessed with a really good man who submits himself to you alone
First of all , if u want marry a person , u need to talk about it first . ASK this person if he/she want to get married , ask him or her , if i propose u , watch gonna do etc etc . Its not a good idea to propose to a man or a woman if u never talk about it before and u not sure if this person really want to get married , communication is the key in a relationship .
For me it doesnt matter who propose , it can be the woman or the man , as long the both person really want to get maried and have a good connection and its deep desire for both .
Yeah facts.. it saves u from the embarrassment of getting rejected
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@Chayil 74 If you have to propose then you wanted to propose. Simple.
@Chayil 74 What if he was going to propose to you a week after you proposed to him? You just did it off your own will.
@Chayil 74 Yikes 🤦♂️
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This all sounds so sexist. Lets reverse things here. What if a woman refusing to be the one to propose meand SHE is not as invested? That SHE is not ready? I think the days or surprise proprosals and depending on the man to propose are nearly over. If you both are in love and have taken the commitment to your relationship seriously then why does it matter who proposes to who first?
THIS! 100% this!x
Shhh, you're using logic xD
THIS!!!
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Exactly what I thought. This is hella sexist the only relationships to which this applies are relationships were both parties are sexist and live with genderroles
When a man wants to marry you he is going to make it happen. He will invest to the relationship !!!!!!!
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make it happen = money + time
so will women!!!!! what a shocker!!!! :000
Susan favour exactly
D of P - What? Men are worth JUST as much ?
You never want a man in a mists of argument say I never would or wanted to marry you in the first place. You ask me, you begged me. I just didn't want to embarrass you in front of your friends and family.
Max Women literally say that all the time. 😂
@@iluvzchocolate1 - Hey, they just LOVE those double standards . . . .
You never want a woman in a mists of argument say I never would or wanted to marry you in the first place. You ask me, you begged me. I just didn't want to embarrass you in front of your friends and family.
Unno-reverso card activated.
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This is absolutely outrageous. So if a woman wants to propose to a man, she shouldn't because it's essentially desperate and "trapping men" into a marriage they don't want to be in?? and we should wait around for men to ask us, why? Because we're not worthy of asking men?? We're forcing them into doing something they don't want to do? What about the other way around??
If a woman loves a man and she wants to ask him to marry her, why the hell shouldn't she?
This is a load of drivel. Life is so short and you get one go around. Throw silly, old fashioned traditions out the window and propose to the soul you love, regardless of each others gender. Profess your love in every way, shape or form that matters to you and them, no body else!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I appreciate hearing from you ❤
Finally someone talking sense ❤
💯💯
Just a bunch of double standards. When men propose he’s ready but when women propose they’re pushing?
I mean i am not getting married unless i will be the one who'll get asked for hand. And yeah the video is just bunch of gender roles crap
That's because both genders are different. They come with their own standards.
Life’s not fair love
My thoughts exactly.
Comon, would you really propose to a man? It's so cringey, like a man crying more than you do... lol...you can call it double standards, which may be truth, but its uughh... men and women are just not the same gender. sorry.
Heck No. End of discussion 🙅🏽♀️
Thanks for schooling these women
Say it again
EXACTLY👍👍👍
rayyyyyye?!?! how the hell did I find you in the comments Lmao! But I agree 100%
T Mox exactly. I thought women didn’t want to be told what to do?
thanks for enforcing gender roles
In MY own opinion I believe every relationship is different. There were times where I’ve seen a girl propose to her boyfriend and the guy had cried of joy and excitement and they are happily married and it’s a beautiful story. I personally believe every relation and couple are different. For the women out there who wants to propose to their man I believe you should get to know them in this aspect to see if they would be okay with it. Throw some hint to them to see if it’s something they would be okay with.. and then from there take the initiative.. you never know. I personally would propose to my man because he was always telling me how he would like to experience that. Cause guys shouldn’t be the only one.. and when I heard him say that it gave me an amazing idea and I’m actually thinking of doing it in a special beautiful way. Doesn’t make a man always feel helpless or low just because they didn’t get the ring. Heck no. No your man, man know your woman and from there work it out. That’s it on my opinion. But everyone has there own opinion tbh 🤷🏽♀️
So did you propose to him already if I may ask?
Oh,, your comment reliefs me
Tysm for your common sense 😊!! And did you propose to him?
YES OMG ITS LEGIT THE SAME THING
When you propose to a man
Like me 🤦🏻♀️
A man that finds a wife. Finds a GOOD thing!
No, a woman should not ask a man for his hand in marriage..
Moore Candy Amen.
Hell No a woman should not 😒😒let the man do that if he love you he will do that.
@@ashiiwilliams7516 and if a girl loves you she'll do that 🤭
@@jrw2319 - What ? This is supposed to be MUTUAL ?
Ennis Whalen yes
Everyone should read the book "He's Just Not that Into You" If he wants to be with you he will ask you out, take you to meet his crazy family, and most definitely propose as well as get you down that aisle. Enjoy life and do not settle for less than God's best.
That's my brother in law's book 😊 I'm going to screenshot this and send it to him!!!
This what you get for reading too much book and not focusing on your own relationship
fuck god, im gonna do whatever i want
@@jrw2319 Why would you say that? You should actually listen to God because he cares about you and he loves you and so does Jesus.
That's all based on social roles and rules. We're breaking those roles and rules so that's not a good example.
Every time I’ve watched videos of a woman proposing it has been soooo awkward. I could almost feel the contempt.
Everytime I watch a video of a man preposing it also looks awkward, humans are awkward and so is proposing.
@@crystaljones2953 Not really. I adore it and it shows courage on his part
It’s the same as men also 😑
@@lovely1641how much more courageous does it have to be for a woman to do it after all this stigma and stereotypes and backlash. It’s wholesome and y’all CHOOSE to make it “awkward” yourselves
If she’s proposing, she needs to buy me a ring too
True
Lmao
This is why youre single
@@TeddieRUclips u dont even know he/she life
@@Niniisaac its a joke?
I’m a traditional woman. I would not propose. It is in my opinion that women should not propose, EVER! If a man loves you and wants to share the rest of his life with you, he will propose. Wait on your Boaz!
Agreed. If a man wants something/one, he will actively pursue. A woman won't have the chance to propose to a man that truly wants to marry her.
Uno reverso card activated.
I am too lazy to argue so you will only get a card.
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If she actively wants to she will. Seen it happen multiple times. She wanted to propose so she did. Because a women can also truly want to marry a man and vise versa.
Any woman who wants to marry someone should go for it, this thing women shouldnt do that is none sense if you want something go for it
To you, and anyone reading this in the future, if a women wants to propose great! Times change, gender roles and societal norms included. Do what works.
Even though he gave his reasons why not I still respectfully disagree
Well for me it's more mixed, if the woman knows that the man loves her 100% and would probably already propose himself, then i dont see the problem, but if its not 100% then a man might be trapped and i agree with that.
Cosmo I see your perspective, but think about it the other way. If a woman is not 100% ready and her significant other proposes, wouldn’t that trap her? All in all, I don’t think it matters to what gender is proposing if they already talked about their future leading to marriage.
@@cosmo8771
Vice versa
I’ve heard women propose after she was proposed to….so there’s that
I asked my husband to marry me . That was 38 years ago. Not a good thing. I truely regrets it. He had never loved me like I loved him.
WOW! I am super sorry. Praying for you sis. Seriously! I know what it's like to be in a "semi-loved" relationship
@@jontaesmith7141 we don't live together. He was sexually abusive ( he punished me by not having sex )
@@gweniebeatty3273 Oooo well dang it!!!
Gwenie Beatty Wow, what a rough road!😢That happened to me, & I was crazy in love, fortunately, I recognized what was going on, and ended it after a year. I was so confused how he wanted to spend time, even do thoughtful things,but avoided intimacy...and it was so passionate initially, then he started making excuses about libido issues, etc. It actually hit me much later, that he just wasn’t in love.
We got married for the kids. He never had sex with me after we got married. He was always in the streets. I started to believe he was gay. We are stilt together but the sex is awful.
this is an extremely one-sided argument with exaggerated claims and reasoning.
P A - WHAT reasoning? These people have DECIDED that men should propose to women, and never the other way around. That is what they want to see.
@@enniswhalen2428 Haven't you ever learned we don't all get what we want in life? These men don't rule the world, but they are entitled to their opinion. We, however, are entitled to disagree. If I ever find a future male partner and I feel I want to marry him, I'll propose to him. Love isn't a battle of power or superiority. It's mutual and should not be heavily impacted by male/female stereotypes.
Ms. N Goddess - THAT sounds really refreshing . . .
@@_starry_narwhal_2501 Oh my gosh, I found someone with common sense! I totally agree! Why do women always have to be feminine, and submissive? We aren't animals, we aren't in a fucking wolf pack, so why keep the "dominate" and "submissive" bullshit. We are equal to men, and if we feel like proposing we can. Plus, what makes proposing a "masculine" thing? I've seen way too many comments with those words, claiming proposal is "masculine." Everything this man said in the video can go for women as well, women can feel pressured to say "yes", women can also not be ready, and women can also not ever want to marry, I don't get his point at all. It's all senseless, to think everyone's relationship has to be a construct, a patriarchy, a battle for who is dominate, it's pointless. We are equal.
@@v4mpir1sm dear gosh, thank you lmao. Seeing others with open minds is great. Gender roles have only supported the idea that relationships aren't about bonding, rather dominance and superiority. I've hated the idea that men should be dominant 24/7 because their men and vice versa for women. It's incredibly ignorant. This is 2020, and yet people are living in the past.
its not that serious anyone can propose
Your comment reliefs me. 😅
Thank you! Everything he said isn't only what a man is feeling. A woman can feel pressured to say yes as well, she can also not be ready at the time the man is. I don't get this video.
THANK YOUUUU!!!!
Same logic can be applied in reverse, The only reason why you think he’s not willing to go as far is because it traditionally it’s a man’s role to be the one to further the relationship into marriage but he could be thinking about it The very fact that you believe that a woman shouldn’t be “put in that position” goes to show that you still believe in the role that it is not her place to begin with in addition tervis couldn’t the same argument be applied to women when it comes to saying no? Unless you believe in the The mentality that women do what they want and men do what they can thus we have less options... but that’s none of my business again you say you don’t believe in these set gender roles and expectations yet you based your argument off of them
Exactlyyyy best comment on this video
@@ideal8485 He’s just going off of the precedent set by new age feminism which is that man and woman are equal. Stephan said that the reason he doesn’t agree with men proposing to women had nothing to do with traditional gender roles but he then immediately bases his argument off of that saying that if a man wants to marry a woman he’ll make the initiative. Why does the man have to make the first move? Why is it his job establish the relationship? Those ideas of provide, protect and honor are traditional values given to men. If men and women are truly equal than again it shouldn’t matter who proposes first.
Me personally, I’m a traditional man so of course I’d want to propose to my woman first but he’s simply pointing out the blatant hypocrisy by feminists. You can’t say men and women are equal and then live out traditional norms.
Absolutely not. I’m traditional and believe if a man’s intention is to be married, he will propose when he’s ready.
Same can be said with women they ain't dummy animals who can't go after things they want
Ive always been taught "when a MAN findeth a good WOMAN. HE findeth a good thing." ❤
that has nothing to do with the proposal
Totally Agree with Stephan Labossiere - When a man wants you whether for marriage or to be in a relationship with you that man will show it with his actions. I find that roles have changed women want to be the man and some men are comfortable with taking on the women's role.. To each its own. I learned from experience that men will tell you what you want to hear just to keep you in a temporary spot. When you find that one you won't have to question that man's intentions because he will be transparent... Love and blessings to you all!
Nonsense
The man is a hunter and the woman is the huntee. I enjoy being a lady.
shaylas78 You enjoy being lazy.
@@mitchelllewis7017 you enjoy being a shithead
You enjoy being hunted?
Some of us prefer not to think of it as a predator/prey relationship.
@@briangillin7052 - Then let's "cool" the part about men being these "natural" hunters . . . .
Real Men and Woman are honest, open, organized... They demonstrate honest actions, even when it's uncomfortable and may not be popular. Real Men do not go as far to marry a Woman because they couldn't be Man enough to say no. There are too many grown boys and grown girls in our community and it continues devastation on many levels and in many forms.
Yes. Just yes. U said it in such a good way
Good points, BUT same goes for women who get pressured into saying yes because of a public proposal. This happens all the time for women.
However I do also agree that a man should do the proposing. I just think that your point of view was not in consideration of what I commented.
+C C I agree
+Chocolate Dee That's not idiotic at all....you can totally be in love with someone but not be ready for marriage.... But also, a person could still be figuring out their relationship when the other person can be completely ready to commit to marriage and propose. People, situations and circumstances are always different when it comes to the heart....not idiotic at all.
Women should propose to their male partners as and when they see fit. We need to move beyond seeing male/ female relationship dynamics in terms of male partners validating women with their decisions and actions. Women have agency in their own lives as demonstrated through their careers, home lives and place within their communities. Women no longer have to wait upon a man to provide financial security and therefore social validation, women provide this for themselves. They enter into a partnership as an equal and therefor expect to act and be treated as one. This also takes pressure off the man to provide everything financially and take the lead in decisions about the direction of the relationship. Women should go for it and enjoy this exciting and happy time in their lives.
Couldn’t agree more with you!x
No a woman should not propose to a man. I believe if he really wants you, he will #Love💞
I agree with you 100%. If he wants you he will make that move, or any other move to keep you in his life!
Lol , i agree too only if women stop acting like women and men have the same privledges
He "Man" that findeth a wife finds a good thing. A man should always propose when he has found his help mate. One that is suitable for him and one that is equally invested. Gain a healthy paradigm ladies and I would encourage you not to allow "The World's Standards" to be your moral compass. Don't look for him then pick out a ring to put on his finger.
That’s such a hypocritical statement. Don’t allow the “world’s standards” to be your moral compass but you yourself are dictating of what a lady’s standards should be. Way to go gurl! 👏🏼
My man says he WANTS me to propose to him. I'd love to if that's what he wants.
Please do. That's incredibly respectable on part of both of you. I've been so tired of seeing the same "a man'll do it when he's ready" in the comment section.
A Man who FINDS a Wife FINDS a GOOD Thing. Make him Earn/Court/Date/Pursue/Invest in you Ladies. All we need to do is be ourselves, when the Right man comes along we will KNOW it😀😀😀
I hate this comment jeez and women wonder why their marriages end up in a divorce
No
You’re easily capable of doing all of that as well as a woman. The “prize” is that the man gets a partner, but the woman is getting that too. Y’all both can put in effort
Women pressuring a man to marry them is the same thing. I see that alot!
Precisely all the time & I'm not doing all of that
This needs more dislikes I’m a girl and if I wanted to marry someone I would definitely propose
Agree
Thank you lmfao. One of the only sane ones in this comment section.
Yeah its not just guys who are pressured to say yes and weak to saying no. Women are also pressured to say yes aswell especially when they're being proposed to publicly.
I agree
It's all about love in my personal opinion. Not about who does what first.
Honestly.... I think it depends on the couple. I don't think this guy actually speaks for all men here. It's not always true that a woman wants to get married first and then has to wait for her partner to come to the same conclusion and propose. I think women don't propose more often, because of opinions like these, which is an actual shame. And truthfully, If both people are happy in the end, I don't know why anyone else should have an opinion on it
No....it's out of order......
Tori Child Of The Most High it’s out of order and out of turn
Absolutely!
What order? Let people sort out their own relationships, numbskull.
I absolutely agree that a woman should not propose to a man. You provided a very key statement when you said it poses a deeper issue/problem when the woman goes out of her way to propose (not verbatim but close enough;)). I believe when the right man comes along and he knows he has found his Queen, he will gladly get down on one knee and ask for her hand in marriage. Thank you Stephan for your gift that you so abundantly share with all of us. #blessings
I know a woman doing this it’s sad no self worth and no self respect for that at all
Absolutely NO !!!!
love how he's making women feel like shit because apparently equal rights doesn't exist anymore. his first excuse was so awful i??? if a man doesn't have the guts to say no he must have a very fragile masculinity 🥴
I spotted the millenial.
No ladies! Don't do it!
I'll never do that
There are alot of things that woman/man can do, but a woman proposing to a man isn't one of them. Hell you might as well be the man in the relationship.... STAY IN UR PLACE. If he's at all interested in marriage all the woman has to do is dress shop!
Youll goibg to try be man in the relationship anyhow
@@kevinjose2692 First of all you dnt knw anything abt me or wat I'll try to do.... learn how to proof read an make COMPLETE sentences bfr you try an give an opinion next time. Have a blessed day!
HIS TREASURE shut up BITCH
I can sense toxicity and ignorance in this comment.
Should women propose to men? Honestly, no.
Wait, is this not elligible for both genders? Lmao.
A marriage proposal can be tricky honestly, they have to decide at the last minute to decide if they want to be together forever for that is what a marriage is for. A couple of just a couple of months or years probably has a higher chance of divorcing than a couple who has been together for a decade or more, so you should only do a marriage proposal if you have been together for a long fucking time or you will only make yourself unhappy when the moment comes for a divorce.
Your reasoning could go both ways. All those reasons you mention why men would say yes even if they don't want to, are the same things you can say to about a woman that's a yes but don't want to. I personally would say no if a girl asked me to marry her. I'll feel emasculated
I think anyone can propose honestly. Gender shouldn't have anything to do with it. My boyfriend and I know we are going to get married, we've talked about it but havent made it official yet. Rather than waiting for him, I'm going to propose. I know he'll say yes because we've already talked about it and have been together for years. Every situation is unique. You will know when you are ready and if you want to wait for them to do it, that's fine too. But nothing wrong with the girl doing it. We are in 2021. Traditional gender roles are dying out.
I hope you decided To stay in your feminine and fallback! Allow your man to pursue you. They are wired this way! Don’t hunt, don’t emasculate him, attract and approve! Femininity is dying yet rare thing!
Saying Yes, And following through his decision are extremely different! As a man I believe that men of value choose who they want to have Long term relationships..
Truth Teller may God continue to bless you Lol you are a Gift to this Generation, Keep Speaking living Out Your Purpose, I love it praise God for you!
I agree that men have been prepared for rejection and many women, not ALL, but many who would propose do not truly comprehend that rejection is a strong possibility when you ask someons to marry you.
Also TRADITIONALLY, men buy the rimg, pay for the wedding in most cases so asking for marriage pushes a man into liability and responsibility that he may not want or be ready for...
I'm a man and i disagree
All your points of the man being nervous because there's a crowd, a ring, whatever are the exact same situation a woman is in. If you said that about a woman, I don't people would have the same reaction.
A woman should not propose to a man because she'll never know how serious a man is about marriage
I have a male friend this happened too. He said there was anyone else out there. Oh and he cheated the entire time. They are still together on some selfish crap....medical benefits. Also guilt bc he pays the bills and she can't on her income. They were separated for a year. He went back bc he could afford to pay for rent and her mortgage. Eventhough he went back he was hardly home (traveling for work) . Its crazy because people stay because of the old cliche "it's cheaper to keep her " .
My Dad told me along time ago if a man wants something or someone everyone will know because he is going to try his best to get it .NO WOMAN IN HER RIGHT MIND SHOULD ASK A MAN TO MARRY HER. NO !
Ha, your dad lied. *evil laughter*
If a woman wants something everyone will know because she will try her best to get it NO MAN IN HIS RIGHT MIND SHOULD ASK A WOMAN TO MARRY HIM.NO!!
You see how this sounds with the genders swapped? Literally anyone who isn't shy would try and get the one they love.
Brainwashed....... persons need to look at things objectively
@@crystaljones2953 yep sounds just as insane as I'd thought it might. Switch it back the right way
People wa t equality but they want to pick and choose which aspects they want equality with. Every relationship is different. It's not anyone's place to judge. You don't want to propose to your boyfriend? Fine. But just because someone chooses to do so doesn't mean her boyfriend doesn't want to marry her or that it's wrong. Worry about your own values and relationship. What's right or wrong depends on the couple. What's right for you isn't right for everyone.
You are right
This is just conjecture and his opinions. He's trying to generalise how all relationships are but you just can't do that, it doesn't add up. It's simply social conditioning, if a woman wants to propose then why not? It's only marriage, just an old tradition passed on from generations. In the scheme of things nothing changes, you basically just celebrate togetherness and have a big party. Who initiates the ceremony shouldn't be a big deal. People are too caught up in emotional thinking rather than looking at things straight.
I agree! It seems like that would be very uncomfortable on both sides. I just don’t understand if a man that’s in a relationship with the same woman for years and he knows that she’s not the woman he wants to spend the rest of his life with but stays anyways. That bothers me 🤔
I rather a man tell me, we aren’t meant to be together then wasting years from my life in hopes of getting married some day. There’s people living 10 to 20 + years together and with kids on top of that never committing to one another. Fear of commitment is my view but if the woman isn’t for you leave that her A lone.
P.S. I have lost out on good men in relationships because they 'didn't know I was wanted to be serious'... so... If you're the "free spirited" type of woman... you definitely need to know, show, and prove that you're ready to give up your ways and tell him... For "you"... I will... if you ask me...
No. She loses her feminine energy and utilizing more masculine energy.
Yes! I would feel so manly if I had to do that!
And whats the issue with that? Lmao
Why do you think women always have to be feminine and submissive? I've never gotten that point and never will. We are equal to men, so why do we keep this "dominate" and "submissive" bullshit, we aren't animals, we aren't in a damn wolf pack. I have no problem with women proposing, everything this man said can go for the women as well. A woman can feel pressured to say yes, a women may not be ready, a woman may not ever want to marry, so I don't get your point.
So by your logic since a woman can’t propose then if a lesbian couple wants to get married they just um.....
Video title clearly says to a MAN. Its amazing that your comment got any likes at all. People really do look for dumb reasons to be offended.
Interesting topic. I agree 500%.
Thanks for explaining this to women of the world. Yes I agree with you 💯
No I don’t believe in propose to a man to me is a sign of desperation for love 💕
And for a man it's not? A man can propose to a woman because he thinks theur relationship is ready to be taken more seriously and it's a feat but when a woman comes to the same conclusion, she's desperate? Absolutely double standard if you ask me.
I can sense idiocy, toxicity, and double standards just screaming from this one comment.
I always felt like it’s up to a man because they give access to marriage. Men know what they want men are leaders. Let this happen and don’t force it. I’m not putting a ball and chain on any man. I’m not pressing the issue I’m not pressuring him . Love is Free.
So your gonna take advice from one man who divorced his wife, and that's your response forever?!
Wow-
@@officialmkamzeemwatela pick me vibe
I love it! I also stick with the word of God on this matter. When a man finds a wife he finds a good thing and have favour with God! Awesome word and thank you.
The Lord never said anything about who proposes it’s part of the freedom he gave us. You can have your opinion but don’t try to force what you believe on other Christian ms saying it’s the word of God.
@@variangaming8559 fr
@@variangaming8559 Thank you! When we’re talking about saying the Lord’s name in vain, I don’t think it’s saying ‘omg,’ it’s saying don’t put words in God’s mouth
I agree that, a woman should “NOT” propose.
Joyful Interaction I’m fine with that but that’s the guys choice if he wants it like that
You’re right. Makes the woman look desperate
Why? And the man should spend thousands?
Basil Ahmed it’s not about the money it’s about the honor of marriage
P L - But the man does NOT look desperate?
I totally agree with you, I think a man will propose if he is totally ready to spend his life with u. If he is not, he wont.
Hell no. I'm not a man. That's a man's job. Then I can decide if I want to marry him or not. Women have the power in that way.
Yes i agree no...no..no that don't even look right to see a woman on her knee proposing to a man😱
@49jubilee - But it's OK for you to see a man kneeling in front of a woman. Gee, that's fair !
@@enniswhalen2428 yes because a man is a king and it shows that he's giving up everything for hopefully his new Queen to be.
@@armandsmith1027 and a woman cant do the same because. . ?
It doesn't look right because you're not used to seeing it. That doesn't mean it's wrong. Your logic is terrible.
@@_starry_narwhal_2501 women trying to play this role reversal bullshit is not going to work with everything and this will never be right.
I agree!!! Women should never ask. Let him take the step to make it official. You can’t rush him to be ready.
Yes I feel both should be able to purpose with out being seen as a out sider
Don't women also need to know if they are ready to commit to a man the rest of her life? A man can propose like what typically takes place but that doesn't mean the relationship will last or the woman will have the ability to say no if she knows she is not ready if he proposes.
OK HERES THE THING
IT DOESNT MATTER ABOUT GENDER 🤦🏻♀️
I proposed to my MAN and he said YES ANYWAYS
Exactly!
If he doesn't propose, he doesn't want her as a wife. No saying he doesn't want to be married, just not married to that woman. Men know what place he wants her in his life.
...so, then, if SHE doesn't propose, then that means she doesn't want him as her husband...
I don't agree with woman proposing to a man. She can want him as a husband all she wants, but it is his place to lead and state his intentions. He knows if he wants her or not and what place he wants her in his life.
I agree, and the same applies to the proposal threat... [propose or is over]
*TL:DR I'm traditional and don't care about logic.*
Look at this from a purely, logical, rational reason. If a man proposes *he's ready,* but if a woman proposes, *she's not?*
We both know that doesn't make sense, and that my friend is *irrational, illogical and unreasonable.* Why would I want to be any of those things?
My ex has suggested I propose. I'm like HECK NO!!!!! I'm just leaving. We were on and off 2&3 years. On total for 1. At this point I told him "No ring I'm out." He said it would take him a year to get everything in order for marriage, but I need a ring and would wanna do a couple mos and I know he would want to have sex and move in together and I'm not interested in that unholiness. Not gonna play that whole game
Good job know your self worth girly
Maybe if you had to actually had to get to a point where you had to threaten him to propose to you or you’d leave you weren’t that great of a gf in the first place. You can’t even put your pride aside to just propose to your man like both of you could have proposals.
Short answer: NO! It’s masculine
MissHoneyBun Cinnamon sexist according to feminists today
Lord Of frog fucc them
Lord Of frog gender roles add a lot of toxicity and entitlement into marriages in my opinion
@@Falconsfan1020 agreed.
This whole idea a women should be feminine and and a man should be masculine is just enforcing double standards and gender roles. The idea that a relationship needs a "dominate" man and a "submissive" woman is animalistic, and just furthers the idea that women are less than men. Both are 100% equal in a relationship, no ifs, ands, or buts. A women can feel everyway the man in the video said a man could feel
Well my man & I both talked about it. I proposed first & he proposed 3 weeks later. Now we’re happily engaged & getting married in 2 years. I don’t see nothing wrong with it. Every relationship is different. If y’all both are in love...it shouldn’t even matter who proposes first. Double standards much.
There're two minds, two hearts, two people that decide whether spend their life together or not. None of them are more or less than the other. None of them are more capable or skilled to decide when it's the right time for both of you (no all women are willing to marrige and just waiting for the man, you know). You have the right to take initiatives or risks that concern your life. Besides -and perhaps needless to say- all relationship need communication, nobody is going to "trap" someone and nobody is desperate 🤦🏻♂️.
Ps: just my opinion, apologize for my English.
Ps2: Public proposals sucks no matter gender
I had an idea which I thought was a great one till now. I really want to propose to my boyfriend when we graduate college, which is very soon. Everyone I have went to for encouragement has shut my idea down and popped my bubble. I was looking for videos to encourage me and see if I'm the only crazy girl that thinks this is a great idea. My boyfriend is amazing and talks about living together and he says I'm his whole world. He even talks about proposing but idk I kinda want to do it. This video was a little sad and offensive to me. I'm tired of this whole gender role thing! It's very sad to hear a man say these things. What guy wouldn't want a smart, beautiful women who loves him unconditionally to propose. But yea I guess since I'm not a guy this relationship won't work cuz I'm the one asking. Makes no sense, people need to start changing their views on gender roles. Very discouraging.
Thank you for this! I've been so tired of people repeating the whole "A man'll do it when he feels he's ready!" argument. It's barely valid, as a woman can feel the same, but she's made out to be desperate when she is. If you wanna propose to you boyfriend and you genuinely think you're both ready for a more serious relationship, please, go for it! It would bring us a step closer to breaking a stigma that enforces toxic masculinity and puts down women for being stronger, and you seem like you're both in a healthy relationship if you both want to propose.
Ok, just do it. If he resents you later on, accept it
As a guy I can say that I was offended as well these people act like women are dummy humans who has to wait on someone to do it for them. No you want something you go after it no matter what sex you are
Teach men to be strong enough to say no.
G_ a - . . . . teach women to dump the double standards . . . .
In the grand scheme of things. A woman just as much is any man or child has a Father giving rate of freewill to do as she wishes and has a right to choose, so as long as she is not using that freewill to harm another living creature on purpose, or emotional. So nobody really has anything to say even if they got hurt, because there is no consequence. With that being said. A woman has to only trust herself and her very first instinct when it comes to that main question that all women either want to hear or what to ask. Always be completely natural, and never ever ignore your instincts about anything, including when it comes to relationships, love, or marriage.
Short answer: Who cares
I like you 😗😗❤️
My ex husband asked me in front of an audience that didn't include family and I asked him not to do that. I made the mistake and said yes. Since then I told myself if I found another guy, I would ask, if we had the chemistry to do so.
Go for it, but make sure he wishes to get married with you and sees a future so that way you don’t go through what these girls in the comment section went through and then blame it on being a woman who proposed like these girls
So he’s saying that the man has to do it to show he’s into the relationship, so by that thinking if the women doesn’t do it then she isn’t into the relationship? Why does only the man need to show it?
men and women are different....
After listening to your response, I believe that was well said and I couldn't agree more.
Why are women to scared to ask their men to marry them
@@resolute7177 its called self worth
@@ms.camillewarrenempress31 lol no it's not
women are grown ppl who also know what they want and shouldn't be afraid
@@resolute7177 it’s so wrong for a woman to propose to a man that where woman get their heart broken at the end of the relationship unfortunately because they pursue more than the other is… I just because it’s wrong for a woman do that not me doing shit like that !!! Turn off
Stephan, I agree with you wholeheartedly. If a man wants to marry you, HE should ask. If he doesn’t, then there is your answer about your future with him. Hit the delete button.
This applies to both men and women... so those are weak arguments
Ok right out proposing is a no. But I feel that it is ok to throw hints to your man to let hin know that is what you want. Don't just sit back and say nothing. He might think that you don't want to be married. Then allow him to propose to you. Pray sister's pray
I agree with what you have said here. If he wants to be with you he will pursue you and make it apparent that is his intention. I have had several single women friends that have really struggled with their singleness. Always in and out of relationships. They have each gotten remarried in the past year. I sincerely hope their marriages work out, but they were all very short dating relationships and rushed to the altar. I am concerned that they pushed it to happen and that it may not last.
I'm sorry this is sexist. I dont want a man to propose to me. I'm proposing to my man June 29th and I'm sorry he's my soulmate and we both love one another and always say forever and we want a future together. So I'm sorry if a woman wants to propose they can propose. Seems you dont know what love is.
Okay but your argument is that a woman proposing is pressuring the man into marriage when they're not ready.
But what about men proposing to women. By your logic here, if a man proposed to a woman, would she not also feel pressure to accept even if she doesnt feel ready?
I agree with your initial response.... HELL NO!!
HELL NO. Period.
I am old school and don't believe in women proposing to men. Most female already know whether or not they want to be married to the person they're with or not, a male for some reason unbeknown to me takes quite sometime to realize that he has found "the one", but when he does that's when the proposal comes to play(at least sometimes)To me a woman proposing to a man takes away his manhood and it's just not ladylike...(my opinion).