Back in the first few episodes, there were a couple of times when Fern asked Frieren, "why are you helping this person?" and she answered "I'm doing this for me." The flowers for Himmel's statue, the beach cleaning operation... this episode casts those answers in a new light, with Himmel's line.
I love these two reacting to Frieren. They actually enjoy the media and the story, a breath of fresh air vs. other reactors' deadpan faces with little to no actual discussion.
The fact that she realized that Frieren offered stark the same food that Himmel always got whenever stark asked for a recommendation on what to get just completely destroys so many other reactors who would have never even had a chance of picking up on that detail.
Isn't it so refreshing?! This is what I expect from reactions. I absolutely love when reactors consume the media rather than focus on creating "content" with a dead look in their eyes.
Love how detailed you are watching the show. The way you hypothesize and extrapolate where the show is going to go, makes me remember the possibilities of what it could be, and how i was once in that state too! Gald to share this journey with you two!😊
About Frieren's lack of empathy, if we remember her history from ep. 9 or 10, she trained with flame, then killed demons and lived alone in a cabin in the woods, until Himmel dragged her out to the world and, after 1000 years, learn to connect to people.
To dive into the initial conversation at around 2:30, yes the magic in their world heavily revolves on perception and imagination. If you can't imagine your spell doing "the thing" then when you release the mana the spell isn't gonna do "the thing". This applies both in specific scenarios AND in the abstract sense of it all. And we all have gotten hints to this dynamic of magic since the beginning. When they first came across Stark, the Dragon's nest had a spell that can "see through clothes" and Frieren specifically said "depending on what you [the caster] consider clothes, you could use that spell to see through armor." So if a caster doesn't view armor as clothes it wont work for them but for a caster who would consider that idea then it can. BUT neither could use the spell to see through a wall, cause a wall isn't clothes. its not. This is also where Ubel's ability to empathize with another mage can let her learn how their spells work. She doesn't book learn spells like the other mages, she understands magic through understanding the casters. In D&D terms, while all the other mages are "wizards" that need to research magic, she is more akin to a "sorcerer" with intuitive magical understanding.
I knew the "Denken Donuts" reference would return! 😄 My read of what Richter meant by: "How do you do that to a mage protected by a large amount of mana?" when talking about the difficulty in manipulating the water in a person's body, is that the base mana a mage controls can be an effective shield when it comes to some or many magical attacks. However, that mana is practically non-existent as a barrier against physical objects (perhaps that's yet another reason the current mage meta is now focused on manipulating physical things). The magic system in _Frieren_ is fairly well defined and fleshed out compared to other stories, but there are still some aspects - such as using staffs (Richter doesn't seem to need one) or invoking the name of the spell when casting - that seem a little more loose in their implementation. Though some of that could come down to stylized choices for dramatic effect. Regarding the comments about psychopathy and whether Ubel's empathy is "genuine", I always thought Ubel's "empathizing" is more just her trying to "understand" other people - as you both surmised - and it may even be an issue with the words being translated from Japanese to English. Now she may be saying "empathy" directly in Japanese, but if so, I don't trust her. By her own actions, she clearly doesn't care about other people's lives in the way a sane human should, and her mental illness is centered quite clearly around an inability to feel empathy or sympathy for others. To me, she's an interesting and fascinating character, but I wouldn't say I "like" her in the same way that I "like" Denken. Congrats on the impending 10k subs! You definitely deserve it.
Ubel is a classic sociopath, that is a person who lacks empathy for others. This is different from a psychopath as they are people who suffer from audio or visual hallucinations. That being said, Ubel is an intuitive person and if she can bring herself to understand another mage she can figure out how their signature magic works, that is the magic which makes that mage unique. Thus her interest in Wirbel and Land because of their unique personal magic. The reason for example that Ubel has no interest in someone like Fern is that Fern doesn't have any signature magic. Fern just uses "basic" offensive magic - in creative and overpowering ways. This isn't something Ubel can replicate because it isn't about Fern's tastes as a person, it's about Fern's deep mana control and speed both of which are aspects that can't be learned through "understanding" but only through years of rigorous training and tremendous natural talent.
@@zmortis111 Kim and John were actually the ones who referenced "psychopathy" when discussing Ubel, which is why I used the term. Deciding whether she's a psychopath or a sociopath can be left to a professional; I just know she's mentally ill and I should stay away from her.
Magic is very much creative/visual thing. If you remember, Frieren couldn't create the flowers from Himmel's town until she had seen them. It does play into some stuff later as well.
Really enjoying the Frieren vids so far. Frieren can be a bit strange to watch when you're German but it's probably within the top 3 anime of all time for me. Just FYI: In the name of the town (Äußerst) the "ß" is not a "b", it's a German sharp s. So it's pronounced like "Oy-serst" (the Äu combination sounds a bit like the oy in oyster).
Others have pointed out that Ubel's "Sorganeil" has a "wobbly" shape compared to Wurbel's smooth original, which suggests that her isn't as powerful. A mage with a lot of mana, or one who was aware of the attack, would probably be able to resist Ubel's spell, or even break free from it. I wonder if Land could have actually freed himself, but he chose not to do so at the time because he wasn't in any real danger. That would fit with his distrust of others, by him not giving away any advantage he had.
I still took the note of empathy being "knowing the intended outcome" or in essence, willing the outcome into existence. By so completely understanding why someone would cast a particular spell (and knowing the parameter of it's casting) she can replicate the intent of the spell without mixing her emotions in. Instead of casting sorganeil, she just needs to exude mana with the intent of restraint in the hopes of delaying a killing action, and she gets the effect she wants. She uses Empathy to mimic sympathy.
@@hemagionaltovao5291 Two points: (1) On empathy, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity. (2) You're on the right path with the figuring out how the mana and spell are behaving through feel. However, the magic-system of Frieren is not so loose that you can make mana do anything without having a spell. You can accomplish simple tasks such as Frieren protecting her neck against Draht's wire in Episode 8. But, you still need actual spells for more complicated tasks.
You guys are somehow always both right on the mark and way off at the same time. It's so fun watching your reactions and speculation. To be fair though, this show is all about laying into every trope and then flipping it upside down.
On the subject of what exactly a spell is in Frieren, I think it's a bit less discrete that how we normally think of spells. I think the best way to explain it is to think about how you use your hands. When you need to pick something up, you don't need to cast a "grab" spell, you just manipulate the muscles in your hand and arm to make your fingers close around it. You even use different grips depending on the shape, size, and weight of the thing you're picking up, without even thinking about it. Similarly, when you need to punch someone, you manipulate your hand into the shape of a fist. It's not like your hand has a separate "mode" for each action you can do with it, your brain just knows through years of practice all the subtle muscle movements involved in these actions, and you don't even need to think about them consciously. But if you had never made your hand into a fist before, you probably wouldn't be able to punch someone very well, and if you had never used your hand for picking something up before, your first attempt would be very clumsy. Your hand is physically capable of doing these things, but you can't yet visualize these actions effectively, so you can't perform them effectively. So I think magic in Frieren's world is the same way, only instead of your hand, you manipulate your mana to cause the effect that you visualize. The more you practice a specific effect, the more effectively you can visualize it, and the more effectively you can cause that effect. You might call the effects that you have practiced a lot "spells". But the word they use for "spell" is the same as the word for "magic": "mahou", and I think this reflects that you're not just slicing off a discrete packet of mana and attaching it to an effect (like e.g. a spell slot in D&D), it's all just stuff you do with your mana, limited only by your ability to visualize the desired effect. And on that subject, I think that's where the magic words come in. You don't have to say the word to cast the spell, but saying the word while casting it can help you focus your visualization and therefore make the spell more effective. Same for any hand gestures and so on.
Good points, though I'd add one other limitation is your target's own mana and their ability to resist a given spell's effects. Exemplified in how Lawine was unable to directly freeze Richter until he lost focus.
You make a really good analogy for the visualization aspect. However, you're going too far imo, when you said that there's basically no such thing as spells and that it's just making/shaping mana into a certain way. Without going into manga or even anime spoilers, there is already enough evidence to show that spells are real and that there are rules to magic. Namely, demons spend their lives researching a certain area and creating a spell for it. A spell that has to be countered then by humanity through other spells that they have created. Examples; Qual's Zoltraak and then Humanity's Basic Defensive Magic & Aura's Scales of Obedience and Frieren's unnamed dispel magic for it. A few other examples: (1) Basic Offensive Magic cannot pierce dragon scales or Basic Defensive Magic, regardless of the attacker's visualization. Otherwise, Frieren would've taught Fern how to do it when she asked Fern to attack the Solar Dragon in S01E05 in the former case, and Basic Defensive Magic would actually be useless in the latter case. (2) Frieren's spell to clean a bronze statue not being usable for a stone statue. If it was purely a visualization based system, then there is absolutely no reason for why Frieren wouldn't be able to use the folk spell in S01E16 to clean Kraft's & Unknown-Priest's statues. (3) Regardless of Aura's visualization, her scales were already tilting towards Frieren, even though Aura was unaware that Frieren had more mana at that point. If it was a purely visualization based system, then Aura would've been able to dominate/control anyone including Frieren.
@@Diablos-pi2qy I think what I'm suggesting is that the process of learning a new spell basically amounts to learning how to properly and completely visualize the effect of that spell. Taking the bronze statue spell example, the process of cleaning a stone statue is significantly different from that of a bronze statue, so being able to visualize one doesn't mean you can visualize the other (e.g. see the relevant flashback in episode 26). Anyway, that's kind of a secondary point, and it's more speculative. I agree with you that spells are "real" in the sense that when you use a certain spell, you generally can't make that spell produce effects that aren't within its designed parameters. Just like you can't use a fist to pick something up, and you can't punch someone with your hand in a precision fingertip grip. My main point isn't about spells being real or not, it's about the idea that they don't exist as discrete, separate "units" of magic. Like, when Richter manipulates the earth, I don't really think of it as him repeatedly casting individual "move earth" spells one after another, but rather a more continuous process of him using his earth-moving magic on the ground around him. Obviously some magic does create discrete effects, most notably Zoltraak, but that's a specific feature of that magical technique, not a general rule for how all magic works. And even for Zoltraak, there's a lot of flexibility in how much mana to "charge up" into each discrete Zoltraak shot.
Majority of mages in this anime are more like Wizards - learning magic through study. Ubel is basically a sorcerer - she don't need to study - she has an inherent connection/understanding with/about magic. She's basically one of the sorcerers in a world full of wizards. They're basically prodigies in our world, in Frierens world they are often refereed to as "genius". There's an argument somewhere about Sein and Frieren. If you remember Frieren calling Sein "...her own kind". 👁👄👁
Remember from the 3rd episode? Himmel said is favorite dish is the ruf-omelet, also know as omurice, which is an omelette over fried rice with ketchup. That's what Stark got.
"On top of him having mana control of his own body" Yes! A lot of people gloss over that part, but Lawine points out that she can't freeze him because of the difference in their mana, and that she finally gains an opportunity to do so when his panic makes his defenses more, uhh, disorderly once the rain starts pouring down. Oh, and then there's all the passive release of excess(?) mana, and how Frieren used mana to shield against the magical wires. 2:11 This is very Vancian Magic (the D&D kind of spellcasting) based thinking here, with each spell being like a hand grenade with a predetermined effect once you pull the pin, buuut we're still learning about the magic of this series (at this point in the reactions). I think the little bit they added to ep 2 of the series (control of mana, amount of mana, firing strength?) already goes against the "set effect" part, though. Would the tea creation spell just keep creating more tea for as long as Frieren had mana to spare? Like a faucet? Or would she have to keep creating more and more separate predetermined amounts of tea? In a lot of Japanese media, probably owing to video games or maybe even Sword World (a trpg system that was born out of the setting from The Record of Lodoss War after TSR had to stop the Lodoss people from making money off of their own stories and media born out of D&D sessions), spells often works as like a continuous hosing of magical energy being converted in real time. So basically, cutting off the energy source (mana) will kill the spell (I guess, if it functions like that because barriers are more permanent and post-humous). I did not expect to type this all out before watching the episode reaction.
Check below for a spoiler-free explanation of the magic system in the Frieren world. """ Short version; Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Long version; There are 4 components to a mage's magic-casting in the Frieren world: (1) Mana: How much mana/magical-energy they have. (2) Control: How much mana and how precisely they can control it. (3) Spell: The magical formulas that they know and are able to use. Examples: Basic Offensive/Defensive Magic. Note that the spell formula dictates what is possible or impossible. Examples: (a) Basic Offensive Magic cannot pierce dragon scales or Basic Defensive Magic, regardless of the attacker's visualization. Otherwise, Frieren would've taught Fern how to do it when she asked Fern to attack the Solar Dragon in S01E05 in the former case, and Basic Defensive Magic would actually be useless in the latter case. (b) Frieren's spell to clean a bronze statue not being usable for a stone statue. If it was purely a visualization based system, then there is absolutely no reason for why Frieren wouldn't be able to use the folk spell in S01E16 to clean Kraft's & Unknown-Priest's statues. (4) Visualization: Needed to activate/use a spell since a mage cannot make something happen if they can't clearly/exactly picture the desired outcome. Note that to clearly/exactly picture an outcome, one needs to have a complete understanding of said outcome. Therefore, they should have a complete understanding of the process that created that specific outcome/result as well (since only understanding an outcome without understanding the generating process, will be incomplete at best and flawed at worst). This is pretty much how it is in real life as well. Furthermore, a weak visualization can weaken a spell, but a strong visualization cannot strengthen a spell. Examples: (a) Regardless of Aura's visualization, her scales were already tilting towards Frieren, even though Aura was unaware that Frieren had more mana at that point. If it was a purely visualization based system, then Aura would've been able to dominate/control anyone including Frieren. (b) UBEL EXAMPLE REVEALED IN S01E26. -------------------------------------------------- In summary, the visualization component of magic is just like in real life; you will surely fail if you have a 'bad' mindset, but a 'good' mindset does NOT guarantee success (ie, a 'good' mindset is a necessary, but insufficient condition for success since external factors are still a thing). Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all. Spells determine what's possible or not, and a mage's visualization can make them achieve between 0% to 100% of a spell's potential. They cannot just bs visualize/imagine themself into winning and/or doing the impossible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, there is technically one more component, which may fall under Control, but since I'm not convinced that it definitely does (and also because it's not completely crucial for just casting magic alone as a singular mage), I've written it below as a separate point: (5) Detection: How accurately a mage can detect mana in a certain radius with themself at the center. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above info is from: S01E02: First half of the episode with Frieren teaching Fern. S01E03: Second half of the episode on Killing Magic. S01E05: Second half of the episode with the Solar Dragon. S01E08: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E09: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E10: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E15: First half of the episode on Goddess' Magic. S01E16: Second half of the episode with the statue cleaning quest. S01E20: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E21: Pretty much all of it. :) """ This was an excerpt from my main post on "rFrieren" titled "Important lore that a lot of people get wrong".
Freiren doesn't always says spells out loud, and floating things / basic offensive magic doesn't either. It's all about what can help the mage fully imagine the spell of it to occur.
You asked how much it takes for Ubel to empathize to get a spell. There's some hilarious fan art of Land and Ubel you gotta see, I think it's called "ubel playing the long game"
More on Ubel: (1) Episode 18: Kraft's thing is basically that she overdid it. He decides against lecturing her probably because there isn't much point to it. However, self-defense and excessive-force are NOT the same. The former is justifiable, but the latter isn't. Had Ubel been less messed up as a person, she wouldn't have cut the bandits up into pieces (even though they were the ones that most likely attacked her first). (2) Wirbel doesn't kill her because he's not a cold-blooded killer and doesn't go out of his way to kill people. However, he is very experienced and a good judge of a character as far as we can tell. He characterizes Ubel as a pervert who enjoys killing and Ubel pretty much silently agrees with him. (3) Revealed in Episode 24. (4) Revealed in Episode 26.
Hmm, about the thing of saying the spell name for casting. I think it corresponds or is interrelated with the concept of magic being affected by the ability of person's imagination or creativity. Because if you found a name for something, and recalls that magic by that name, it'd be much easier for you to cast the magic than to actually imagining how the magic works from time to time.
All names in this anime are german words. I don't know if someone listed them before, but here is a summary of the most relevant names with the english translation. *_Current group_* |-> Frieren - freeze or to be cold |-> Fern - remote or far away |-> Stark - strong or powerful *_Temporary group members_* |-> Sein - to be |-> Kraft - power *_Group of heroes_* |-> Himmel - heaven or sky |-> Eisen - iron |-> Heiter - cheerful (+Frieren) *_Other important characters_* |-> Flamme - flame |-> Serie - series or set |-> Voll - full, whole or complete |-> Gorilla Warrior (no translation needed) *_Proctors for the tests_* |-> Genau (1st test) - exactly, accurately or precisely |-> Sense (2nd test) - scythe *_Six parties that passed the first test_* |-> Kanne - pot, can or mug |-> Lawine - avalanche (+Frieren) | |-> Land- country or land |-> Übel - evil, illnes or malignancy (+Fern) | |-> Denken - thinking |-> Laufen - to run or operate |-> Richter - judge | |-> Ehre - honor, glory or credit |-> Scharf - sharp, spicy or pungent |-> Wirbel - vortex | |-> Edel - noble or gallant |-> Blei - lead |-> Dünste - to steam | |-> Methode - method or technique |-> Länge - length |-> Ton - clay, sound or tone *_Demons_* |-> Aura (no translation needed) |-> Qual - torment or agony |-> Lügner - liar |-> Draht - wire |-> Linie - line
The show hasn't explained anything about needing to say the name of a spell, but it does seem like it helps. We see magic being casually cast without incantation, but when characters use their big powerful spells they almost always say the name of the spell. There's a shared idea in a lot of fantasy magic systems that saying the name of the spell or another sort of chant is just a way to help the caster focus on the spell so that it comes out right. I assume this show follows a similar system, even though it hasn't explained it yet (no manga spoilers please)
Frieren didn’t just recommend Stark what Himmel got, she recommended Stark Himmel’s fav food (Ruff Omelette) which he told her about in episode 3s flashback 😀 (sour grapes flashback)
Looking back to how Ubel asked Wirbel personal questions, she needs to understand the motivation when he uses this spell on the emotional level. Every time she seems randomly chatting with someone can be her trying to learn a new magic!
Yes, that's exactly the point. Her pursuit is a selfish one and it's not actually empathy. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
As mentioned in the episode, past first-class mage exams have three stages, and occur every three years. This time 18 people have passed stage 1, and Sense is the proctor for stage 2. Sense has always chosen exam tests that are "impossible" to pass - for anyone who is not qualified to be a first-class mage. Remember that the Magic Association has only been around for 50 years at this point, and only a handful of mages have ever passed the strict standard to be considered a "first-class mage" since the standard was implemented. The role of a first-class mage is to be able to achieve "the impossible" for anyone less than the pinnacle. Of note is that the very first mage called first class is called Lernen, and he was a student of Serie, the founder of the Magic Association. Serie was also the former master of the legendary mage Flamme a thousand years ago, meaning that Flamme is the standard used to judge all other mages.
I don't think Serie is using Flamme as the standard for all 1st class mages. However, I won't delve into more, since it would be a spoiler for this episode as it's revealed in episodes 27-28.
I see Übel's empathy based "copying" much less mechanical. In her confrontation with Wirbel, she didn't try to empathize with Wirbel as a person, she tried to empathize with his usage of his binding spell. I'm convinced _that_ is how she learned/copied the spell: Her weaponized empathy allows her to intuit how the person feels when casting their spell, and her talent is to, simply from that intuition, then copy the spell by replicating that feeling without actually understanding the mechanics of the spell.
Except, as Ubel puts it, the magic someone specializes in is often reflected in who they are as a person. Hence why she seeks to know Land's past, what he thinks about, etc. and why it's implied Wirbel revealing so much to her is why she learned his magic. That's enough potentially rather than what he might be feeling whenever he uses magic.
@@Ryodraco I also agree with you. However, I do want to point one thing out. While Ubel says empathy and empathizing, it's really not that at all from a psychological point of view. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
The concept of empathy or what others would call empathy in sociopaths and serial killers is actually pretty common. They are usually outcasts and know it and want to understand why they are different. The search for empathy is what often leads to the actual serial killing as a purpose of connection to their victims.
Between the vinyl-record-diameter burgers, the giant platters of donuts from Episode 15, and Frieren's colossal pile of steaks here, it's like this series takes as much inspiration from Adam Richman's "Man vs Food" as it does from Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings".
I think calling out the Spell helps to visualize. Also in many magic systems the words of spells are something like the original name of things, so maybe this is also equal in frieren.
If you want to know the translation and correct pronunciation of characters' names, go to google translate, set it to "German -> English" then type in the name in German. You'll get the translation in English, and if you press the little speaker button, you'll get the pronunciation :)
The author gave all the characters German names with meaning. Their entire personality is based off of it. Himel was for heaven / sky. Fern was to mean distant. Ubel is for evil. So I don't blame you if your first impression of her is like a psychopath.
For me, magic is all about doing the impossible. So a mage would have to have some sort off faith or belief tthat they can do something. Ubel is a very interesting mage, because as cold as she seems, she needs people to open up to her and somehow she's able to empathize with them and feel how they use their magic, thus "learning" it. IMO. Four Eyes name is LAND. He won't open up and therefore, Ubel is a bit obsessed now. The Fern Happy Walk, is the BEST! The show is amazing in making secondary and tertiary characters so interesting, isn't it?
Two points that I would like to address: (1) Ubel's thing is not actually empathy from a psychological point of view. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity. (2) While "impossible" things can be done with magic, it doesn't mean that magic can do absolutely anything. See below for a spoiler-free explanation of the magic system in the Frieren world. """ Short version; Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Long version; There are 4 components to a mage's magic-casting in the Frieren world: (1) Mana: How much mana/magical-energy they have. (2) Control: How much mana and how precisely they can control it. (3) Spell: The magical formulas that they know and are able to use. Examples: Basic Offensive/Defensive Magic. Note that the spell formula dictates what is possible or impossible. Examples: (a) Basic Offensive Magic cannot pierce dragon scales or Basic Defensive Magic, regardless of the attacker's visualization. Otherwise, Frieren would've taught Fern how to do it when she asked Fern to attack the Solar Dragon in S01E05 in the former case, and Basic Defensive Magic would actually be useless in the latter case. (b) Frieren's spell to clean a bronze statue not being usable for a stone statue. If it was purely a visualization based system, then there is absolutely no reason for why Frieren wouldn't be able to use the folk spell in S01E16 to clean Kraft's & Unknown-Priest's statues. (4) Visualization: Needed to activate/use a spell since a mage cannot make something happen if they can't clearly/exactly picture the desired outcome. Note that to clearly/exactly picture an outcome, one needs to have a complete understanding of said outcome. Therefore, they should have a complete understanding of the process that created that specific outcome/result as well (since only understanding an outcome without understanding the generating process, will be incomplete at best and flawed at worst). This is pretty much how it is in real life as well. Furthermore, a weak visualization can weaken a spell, but a strong visualization cannot strengthen a spell. Examples: (a) Regardless of Aura's visualization, her scales were already tilting towards Frieren, even though Aura was unaware that Frieren had more mana at that point. If it was a purely visualization based system, then Aura would've been able to dominate/control anyone including Frieren. (b) UBEL EXAMPLE REVEALED IN S01E26. -------------------------------------------------- In summary, the visualization component of magic is just like in real life; you will surely fail if you have a 'bad' mindset, but a 'good' mindset does NOT guarantee success (ie, a 'good' mindset is a necessary, but insufficient condition for success since external factors are still a thing). Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all. Spells determine what's possible or not, and a mage's visualization can make them achieve between 0% to 100% of a spell's potential. They cannot just bs visualize/imagine themself into winning and/or doing the impossible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, there is technically one more component, which may fall under Control, but since I'm not convinced that it definitely does (and also because it's not completely crucial for just casting magic alone as a singular mage), I've written it below as a separate point: (5) Detection: How accurately a mage can detect mana in a certain radius with themself at the center. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above info is from: S01E02: First half of the episode with Frieren teaching Fern. S01E03: Second half of the episode on Killing Magic. S01E05: Second half of the episode with the Solar Dragon. S01E08: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E09: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E10: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E15: First half of the episode on Goddess' Magic. S01E16: Second half of the episode with the statue cleaning quest. S01E20: Pretty much all of it. :) S01E21: Pretty much all of it. :) """ This was an excerpt from my main post on "rFrieren" titled "Important lore that a lot of people get wrong".
I was theorising that Ubel cold blooded personality was copied from emphatising with a killer, and her slashing magic (reelseiden) is also copied from that killer. And now she become necessary killer because she empathise and copied Wirbel.
It's possible that she copied Reelseiden from someone else. However, her thing is not actually empathy from a psychological point of view. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
10:25 It's not Auberst. The "ß" character is not a "b". Without going into details about it, it's a stand-in for "ss" that's no longer commonly used in German. The initial diphthong, "Äu", sounds like "oy". The "er" kind of rhymes with "air". So the name of the city sounds like "oy-sairst". The Japanese voice actors actually do a decent job of replicating the correct pronunciation, so just listen to how they say it.
If you have problems with the pronounciations, just type the names into google translate and click the voice button, the names are all german words so google will know how to pronounce all of them.
What Ubel does with Wirbel and Land is NOT empathy. She may think that it is, but it's really not. It's at best sympathy and at worst pity. There are subtle, but important difference here that many are unaware of, or just ignore because they're a fan of Ubel. There are many resources online by just searching for "sympathy vs empathy" or other such terms. One sample resource; "The Difference Between Empathy and Sympathy" from Psychology Today by Neel Burton: Key points Sympathy is a reaction to the plight of others. Empathy means sharing another person's emotions. Compassion is more engaged than simple empathy. And the chart goes like the following (in order of increasing Engagement): Pity: I acknowledge your suffering. ===> Sympathy: I care about your suffering. ===> Empathy: I feel your suffering. ===> Compassion: I want to relieve your suffering. Ubel is most likely just at the Pity stage when interacting with Wirbel and Land or any other mage for that matter.
3:28 bruh I've seen that part so fcking many times (cuz orgasm1c music tbh) and never saw that, it's literally 2 frames that's crazy, for anyone interested 15:05 to 15:06 from the anime. You gotta use a tool to slow it down cuz it's crazy fast
As I figured magic is somewhat like music. You can learn the theory of music and create songs using it, but some people just use their feelings to create songs.
If you want to know, Lawine's name is pronounced "La-vee-nay". It's German so the W is pronounced as V. You can watch the dub after you react to the sub so you can hear how to pronounce names if you can't pick them out of the Japanese.
One thing I'd like to add to the conversation is that Übel is similar to a sociopath, she knows what people might feel, she can predict and all of that, but she doesn't for them. She knows the to their locks, that's all.
@@Ryodraco Except that Ubel is NOT actually empathizing with anyone as far as we've seen. There's a lot more nuance to empathy from a psychological point of view that Ubel is just not doing. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
On the magic systems (yes, there are more then one) in the "Frieren Universe". This is why reading the manga, which has gone further then the anime, helps. There are basically 3 magic systems: demons, humanities (which includes humans and elves and I guess dwarves, tho we've never seen or heard of dwarf mages) and priests. Remember when we were explained about priest magic, which is a lot on healing. Only those with the knack can do it. Spells from demons can be incorporated into human magic (zoltraack and flying), but this takes study and sometimes like with flying is not fully understood. Human magic you must learn the spells. Its NOT like Harry Potter where you just use a word and practice. Spells can be short enough to be on a scroll and learned in an hour or two, others in are grimoires that can take weeks or months to learn. There is no limit on how many spells a mage can learn. Many mages have lots of spells. What you see in the first 2 tests are that some mages have a signature spell, but they know others. Will others use several spells. You saw Denken use several spells and you'll see this further with others in the 2nd test. While its not show in the anime, but is in the manga, is how Serie "grants" a spell to another.
Back in the first few episodes, there were a couple of times when Fern asked Frieren, "why are you helping this person?" and she answered "I'm doing this for me." The flowers for Himmel's statue, the beach cleaning operation... this episode casts those answers in a new light, with Himmel's line.
All these rewatches and reactions, and I never realised this
Himmel: "Change someones life just a little"... Eisen: "funny isnt it? how 1/100 changes you" 😭❤
I love these two reacting to Frieren. They actually enjoy the media and the story, a breath of fresh air vs. other reactors' deadpan faces with little to no actual discussion.
Watch JDAnime and Autosave. And Cara and Prez.
@@jaideepshekhar4621great recs👀 I haven’t watched JDanime but it’s in my list now
Where are you finding these Deadpan reactors? I've only seen people that get invested in frieren
The fact that she realized that Frieren offered stark the same food that Himmel always got whenever stark asked for a recommendation on what to get just completely destroys so many other reactors who would have never even had a chance of picking up on that detail.
@@HoKEVoH Watch Autosave reaction to frieren there's so invest to it that they will discussing it for an hour.
It is so fun watching you two chew on what the story has been giving you
Isn't it so refreshing?! This is what I expect from reactions. I absolutely love when reactors consume the media rather than focus on creating "content" with a dead look in their eyes.
日本からこんにちわ
１話からずっと追いかけてます
Love how detailed you are watching the show.
The way you hypothesize and extrapolate where the show is going to go, makes me remember the possibilities of what it could be, and how i was once in that state too! Gald to share this journey with you two!😊
About Frieren's lack of empathy, if we remember her history from ep. 9 or 10, she trained with flame, then killed demons and lived alone in a cabin in the woods, until Himmel dragged her out to the world and, after 1000 years, learn to connect to people.
plus supressing mana is tiring so shes always kinda sleepy.
@@jebes909090 Yup, you could say she's been flexing a muscle for a thousand years. Clenching her butt, if you will.
@@jebes909090Fern does the same, so she can't use that as an excuse.
@@andrewli6606 Yes, and Flamme also did that.
Other shows have skeevy fanservice but in Frieren we get the best kind: Headpats and Fern faces.
And the ultimate kind: Himmel flashbacks
Gosh I just got woken up from a nightmare and I see you've posted a new Frieren reaction video, this heals my soul! Love your videos!
To dive into the initial conversation at around 2:30, yes the magic in their world heavily revolves on perception and imagination. If you can't imagine your spell doing "the thing" then when you release the mana the spell isn't gonna do "the thing". This applies both in specific scenarios AND in the abstract sense of it all. And we all have gotten hints to this dynamic of magic since the beginning. When they first came across Stark, the Dragon's nest had a spell that can "see through clothes" and Frieren specifically said "depending on what you [the caster] consider clothes, you could use that spell to see through armor." So if a caster doesn't view armor as clothes it wont work for them but for a caster who would consider that idea then it can. BUT neither could use the spell to see through a wall, cause a wall isn't clothes. its not.
This is also where Ubel's ability to empathize with another mage can let her learn how their spells work. She doesn't book learn spells like the other mages, she understands magic through understanding the casters. In D&D terms, while all the other mages are "wizards" that need to research magic, she is more akin to a "sorcerer" with intuitive magical understanding.
I knew the "Denken Donuts" reference would return! 😄 My read of what Richter meant by: "How do you do that to a mage protected by a large amount of mana?" when talking about the difficulty in manipulating the water in a person's body, is that the base mana a mage controls can be an effective shield when it comes to some or many magical attacks. However, that mana is practically non-existent as a barrier against physical objects (perhaps that's yet another reason the current mage meta is now focused on manipulating physical things). The magic system in _Frieren_ is fairly well defined and fleshed out compared to other stories, but there are still some aspects - such as using staffs (Richter doesn't seem to need one) or invoking the name of the spell when casting - that seem a little more loose in their implementation. Though some of that could come down to stylized choices for dramatic effect.
Regarding the comments about psychopathy and whether Ubel's empathy is "genuine", I always thought Ubel's "empathizing" is more just her trying to "understand" other people - as you both surmised - and it may even be an issue with the words being translated from Japanese to English. Now she may be saying "empathy" directly in Japanese, but if so, I don't trust her. By her own actions, she clearly doesn't care about other people's lives in the way a sane human should, and her mental illness is centered quite clearly around an inability to feel empathy or sympathy for others. To me, she's an interesting and fascinating character, but I wouldn't say I "like" her in the same way that I "like" Denken.
Congrats on the impending 10k subs! You definitely deserve it.
Ubel is a classic sociopath, that is a person who lacks empathy for others. This is different from a psychopath as they are people who suffer from audio or visual hallucinations. That being said, Ubel is an intuitive person and if she can bring herself to understand another mage she can figure out how their signature magic works, that is the magic which makes that mage unique. Thus her interest in Wirbel and Land because of their unique personal magic.
The reason for example that Ubel has no interest in someone like Fern is that Fern doesn't have any signature magic. Fern just uses "basic" offensive magic - in creative and overpowering ways. This isn't something Ubel can replicate because it isn't about Fern's tastes as a person, it's about Fern's deep mana control and speed both of which are aspects that can't be learned through "understanding" but only through years of rigorous training and tremendous natural talent.
@@zmortis111 Kim and John were actually the ones who referenced "psychopathy" when discussing Ubel, which is why I used the term. Deciding whether she's a psychopath or a sociopath can be left to a professional; I just know she's mentally ill and I should stay away from her.
@@zmortis111 On empathy, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
I wonder if Frieren sees Himmel in Stark sometimes since he also loves helping people and the people also love him.
The cats reaction..... I pick up something new everytime I rewatch this show, its so great!
Congrats! you finally guessed what the title refers to correctly! 😂 Pretty much all the other titles are so hard to guess
Magic is very much creative/visual thing. If you remember, Frieren couldn't create the flowers from Himmel's town until she had seen them. It does play into some stuff later as well.
Really enjoying the Frieren vids so far. Frieren can be a bit strange to watch when you're German but it's probably within the top 3 anime of all time for me. Just FYI: In the name of the town (Äußerst) the "ß" is not a "b", it's a German sharp s. So it's pronounced like "Oy-serst" (the Äu combination sounds a bit like the oy in oyster).
Ubel's mechanics are like a sorcerer - she feels the magic, does not learn/study it like mages.
Others have pointed out that Ubel's "Sorganeil" has a "wobbly" shape compared to Wurbel's smooth original, which suggests that her isn't as powerful. A mage with a lot of mana, or one who was aware of the attack, would probably be able to resist Ubel's spell, or even break free from it. I wonder if Land could have actually freed himself, but he chose not to do so at the time because he wasn't in any real danger. That would fit with his distrust of others, by him not giving away any advantage he had.
@@RoryMitchell00It‘s probably because she doesn’t really understand the spell itself, that the spell is an imperfect copy.
I still took the note of empathy being "knowing the intended outcome" or in essence, willing the outcome into existence. By so completely understanding why someone would cast a particular spell (and knowing the parameter of it's casting) she can replicate the intent of the spell without mixing her emotions in.
Instead of casting sorganeil, she just needs to exude mana with the intent of restraint in the hopes of delaying a killing action, and she gets the effect she wants.
She uses Empathy to mimic sympathy.
@@hemagionaltovao5291 Two points:
(1) On empathy, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
(2) You're on the right path with the figuring out how the mana and spell are behaving through feel. However, the magic-system of Frieren is not so loose that you can make mana do anything without having a spell. You can accomplish simple tasks such as Frieren protecting her neck against Draht's wire in Episode 8. But, you still need actual spells for more complicated tasks.
You guys are somehow always both right on the mark and way off at the same time. It's so fun watching your reactions and speculation. To be fair though, this show is all about laying into every trope and then flipping it upside down.
On the subject of what exactly a spell is in Frieren, I think it's a bit less discrete that how we normally think of spells. I think the best way to explain it is to think about how you use your hands. When you need to pick something up, you don't need to cast a "grab" spell, you just manipulate the muscles in your hand and arm to make your fingers close around it. You even use different grips depending on the shape, size, and weight of the thing you're picking up, without even thinking about it. Similarly, when you need to punch someone, you manipulate your hand into the shape of a fist. It's not like your hand has a separate "mode" for each action you can do with it, your brain just knows through years of practice all the subtle muscle movements involved in these actions, and you don't even need to think about them consciously. But if you had never made your hand into a fist before, you probably wouldn't be able to punch someone very well, and if you had never used your hand for picking something up before, your first attempt would be very clumsy. Your hand is physically capable of doing these things, but you can't yet visualize these actions effectively, so you can't perform them effectively.
So I think magic in Frieren's world is the same way, only instead of your hand, you manipulate your mana to cause the effect that you visualize. The more you practice a specific effect, the more effectively you can visualize it, and the more effectively you can cause that effect. You might call the effects that you have practiced a lot "spells". But the word they use for "spell" is the same as the word for "magic": "mahou", and I think this reflects that you're not just slicing off a discrete packet of mana and attaching it to an effect (like e.g. a spell slot in D&D), it's all just stuff you do with your mana, limited only by your ability to visualize the desired effect.
And on that subject, I think that's where the magic words come in. You don't have to say the word to cast the spell, but saying the word while casting it can help you focus your visualization and therefore make the spell more effective. Same for any hand gestures and so on.
Good points, though I'd add one other limitation is your target's own mana and their ability to resist a given spell's effects. Exemplified in how Lawine was unable to directly freeze Richter until he lost focus.
You make a really good analogy for the visualization aspect. However, you're going too far imo, when you said that there's basically no such thing as spells and that it's just making/shaping mana into a certain way.
Without going into manga or even anime spoilers, there is already enough evidence to show that spells are real and that there are rules to magic. Namely, demons spend their lives researching a certain area and creating a spell for it. A spell that has to be countered then by humanity through other spells that they have created. Examples; Qual's Zoltraak and then Humanity's Basic Defensive Magic & Aura's Scales of Obedience and Frieren's unnamed dispel magic for it.
A few other examples:
(1) Basic Offensive Magic cannot pierce dragon scales or Basic Defensive Magic, regardless of the attacker's visualization. Otherwise, Frieren would've taught Fern how to do it when she asked Fern to attack the Solar Dragon in S01E05 in the former case, and Basic Defensive Magic would actually be useless in the latter case.
(2) Frieren's spell to clean a bronze statue not being usable for a stone statue. If it was purely a visualization based system, then there is absolutely no reason for why Frieren wouldn't be able to use the folk spell in S01E16 to clean Kraft's & Unknown-Priest's statues.
(3) Regardless of Aura's visualization, her scales were already tilting towards Frieren, even though Aura was unaware that Frieren had more mana at that point. If it was a purely visualization based system, then Aura would've been able to dominate/control anyone including Frieren.
@@Diablos-pi2qy I think what I'm suggesting is that the process of learning a new spell basically amounts to learning how to properly and completely visualize the effect of that spell. Taking the bronze statue spell example, the process of cleaning a stone statue is significantly different from that of a bronze statue, so being able to visualize one doesn't mean you can visualize the other (e.g. see the relevant flashback in episode 26).
Anyway, that's kind of a secondary point, and it's more speculative. I agree with you that spells are "real" in the sense that when you use a certain spell, you generally can't make that spell produce effects that aren't within its designed parameters. Just like you can't use a fist to pick something up, and you can't punch someone with your hand in a precision fingertip grip.
My main point isn't about spells being real or not, it's about the idea that they don't exist as discrete, separate "units" of magic. Like, when Richter manipulates the earth, I don't really think of it as him repeatedly casting individual "move earth" spells one after another, but rather a more continuous process of him using his earth-moving magic on the ground around him. Obviously some magic does create discrete effects, most notably Zoltraak, but that's a specific feature of that magical technique, not a general rule for how all magic works. And even for Zoltraak, there's a lot of flexibility in how much mana to "charge up" into each discrete Zoltraak shot.
翻訳切り抜き師はこのチャンネルを翻訳するべき( ˇωˇ )
They are definitely some of the better English reactors, they catch a lot of the small details that many others miss
the discussion at the start [what is a spell?] is really good.. let's revisit this after a few more episodes 🧐
Majority of mages in this anime are more like Wizards - learning magic through study.
Ubel is basically a sorcerer - she don't need to study - she has an inherent connection/understanding with/about magic.
She's basically one of the sorcerers in a world full of wizards.
They're basically prodigies in our world, in Frierens world they are often refereed to as "genius".
There's an argument somewhere about Sein and Frieren. If you remember Frieren calling Sein "...her own kind". 👁👄👁
Always exciting when I see your notification
24:23 She literally is the quote:
"Don't be sad because it is over; be happy because it happened.„
The Lawine and Kanne ship is so real 🙂↕️
historians will say they were really good friends
Remember from the 3rd episode? Himmel said is favorite dish is the ruf-omelet, also know as omurice, which is an omelette over fried rice with ketchup. That's what Stark got.
Eagerly anticipated
"On top of him having mana control of his own body" Yes! A lot of people gloss over that part, but Lawine points out that she can't freeze him because of the difference in their mana, and that she finally gains an opportunity to do so when his panic makes his defenses more, uhh, disorderly once the rain starts pouring down. Oh, and then there's all the passive release of excess(?) mana, and how Frieren used mana to shield against the magical wires.
2:11 This is very Vancian Magic (the D&D kind of spellcasting) based thinking here, with each spell being like a hand grenade with a predetermined effect once you pull the pin, buuut we're still learning about the magic of this series (at this point in the reactions). I think the little bit they added to ep 2 of the series (control of mana, amount of mana, firing strength?) already goes against the "set effect" part, though. Would the tea creation spell just keep creating more tea for as long as Frieren had mana to spare? Like a faucet? Or would she have to keep creating more and more separate predetermined amounts of tea?
In a lot of Japanese media, probably owing to video games or maybe even Sword World (a trpg system that was born out of the setting from The Record of Lodoss War after TSR had to stop the Lodoss people from making money off of their own stories and media born out of D&D sessions), spells often works as like a continuous hosing of magical energy being converted in real time. So basically, cutting off the energy source (mana) will kill the spell (I guess, if it functions like that because barriers are more permanent and post-humous).
I did not expect to type this all out before watching the episode reaction.
Check below for a spoiler-free explanation of the magic system in the Frieren world.
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Short version; Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all.
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Long version; There are 4 components to a mage's magic-casting in the Frieren world:
(1) Mana: How much mana/magical-energy they have.
(2) Control: How much mana and how precisely they can control it.
(3) Spell: The magical formulas that they know and are able to use. Examples: Basic Offensive/Defensive Magic.
Note that the spell formula dictates what is possible or impossible. Examples:
(a) Basic Offensive Magic cannot pierce dragon scales or Basic Defensive Magic, regardless of the attacker's visualization. Otherwise, Frieren would've taught Fern how to do it when she asked Fern to attack the Solar Dragon in S01E05 in the former case, and Basic Defensive Magic would actually be useless in the latter case.
(b) Frieren's spell to clean a bronze statue not being usable for a stone statue. If it was purely a visualization based system, then there is absolutely no reason for why Frieren wouldn't be able to use the folk spell in S01E16 to clean Kraft's & Unknown-Priest's statues.
(4) Visualization: Needed to activate/use a spell since a mage cannot make something happen if they can't clearly/exactly picture the desired outcome.
Note that to clearly/exactly picture an outcome, one needs to have a complete understanding of said outcome. Therefore, they should have a complete understanding of the process that created that specific outcome/result as well (since only understanding an outcome without understanding the generating process, will be incomplete at best and flawed at worst). This is pretty much how it is in real life as well.
Furthermore, a weak visualization can weaken a spell, but a strong visualization cannot strengthen a spell. Examples:
(a) Regardless of Aura's visualization, her scales were already tilting towards Frieren, even though Aura was unaware that Frieren had more mana at that point. If it was a purely visualization based system, then Aura would've been able to dominate/control anyone including Frieren.
(b) UBEL EXAMPLE REVEALED IN S01E26.
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In summary, the visualization component of magic is just like in real life; you will surely fail if you have a 'bad' mindset, but a 'good' mindset does NOT guarantee success (ie, a 'good' mindset is a necessary, but insufficient condition for success since external factors are still a thing).
Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all. Spells determine what's possible or not, and a mage's visualization can make them achieve between 0% to 100% of a spell's potential.
They cannot just bs visualize/imagine themself into winning and/or doing the impossible.
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Also, there is technically one more component, which may fall under Control, but since I'm not convinced that it definitely does (and also because it's not completely crucial for just casting magic alone as a singular mage), I've written it below as a separate point:
(5) Detection: How accurately a mage can detect mana in a certain radius with themself at the center.
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The above info is from:
S01E02: First half of the episode with Frieren teaching Fern.
S01E03: Second half of the episode on Killing Magic.
S01E05: Second half of the episode with the Solar Dragon.
S01E08: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E09: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E10: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E15: First half of the episode on Goddess' Magic.
S01E16: Second half of the episode with the statue cleaning quest.
S01E20: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E21: Pretty much all of it. :)
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This was an excerpt from my main post on "rFrieren" titled "Important lore that a lot of people get wrong".
Freiren doesn't always says spells out loud, and floating things / basic offensive magic doesn't either. It's all about what can help the mage fully imagine the spell of it to occur.
These next episodes are going to be great fun. 😎
You asked how much it takes for Ubel to empathize to get a spell. There's some hilarious fan art of Land and Ubel you gotta see, I think it's called "ubel playing the long game"
More on Ubel:
(1) Episode 18: Kraft's thing is basically that she overdid it. He decides against lecturing her probably because there isn't much point to it. However, self-defense and excessive-force are NOT the same. The former is justifiable, but the latter isn't. Had Ubel been less messed up as a person, she wouldn't have cut the bandits up into pieces (even though they were the ones that most likely attacked her first).
(2) Wirbel doesn't kill her because he's not a cold-blooded killer and doesn't go out of his way to kill people. However, he is very experienced and a good judge of a character as far as we can tell. He characterizes Ubel as a pervert who enjoys killing and Ubel pretty much silently agrees with him.
(3) Revealed in Episode 24.
(4) Revealed in Episode 26.
lmao the high pitch frieren sounded like a reeeee my dude! that was hilarious
Hmm, about the thing of saying the spell name for casting. I think it corresponds or is interrelated with the concept of magic being affected by the ability of person's imagination or creativity. Because if you found a name for something, and recalls that magic by that name, it'd be much easier for you to cast the magic than to actually imagining how the magic works from time to time.
All names in this anime are german words. I don't know if someone listed them before, but here is a summary of the most relevant names with the english translation.
*_Current group_*
|-> Frieren - freeze or to be cold
|-> Fern - remote or far away
|-> Stark - strong or powerful
*_Temporary group members_*
|-> Sein - to be
|-> Kraft - power
*_Group of heroes_*
|-> Himmel - heaven or sky
|-> Eisen - iron
|-> Heiter - cheerful
(+Frieren)
*_Other important characters_*
|-> Flamme - flame
|-> Serie - series or set
|-> Voll - full, whole or complete
|-> Gorilla Warrior (no translation needed)
*_Proctors for the tests_*
|-> Genau (1st test) - exactly, accurately or precisely
|-> Sense (2nd test) - scythe
*_Six parties that passed the first test_*
|-> Kanne - pot, can or mug
|-> Lawine - avalanche
(+Frieren)
|
|-> Land- country or land
|-> Übel - evil, illnes or malignancy
(+Fern)
|
|-> Denken - thinking
|-> Laufen - to run or operate
|-> Richter - judge
|
|-> Ehre - honor, glory or credit
|-> Scharf - sharp, spicy or pungent
|-> Wirbel - vortex
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|-> Edel - noble or gallant
|-> Blei - lead
|-> Dünste - to steam
|
|-> Methode - method or technique
|-> Länge - length
|-> Ton - clay, sound or tone
*_Demons_*
|-> Aura (no translation needed)
|-> Qual - torment or agony
|-> Lügner - liar
|-> Draht - wire
|-> Linie - line
Oh, you WILL see what a dreadful beast is Sense when in full combat mode...
13:58 I did not realize that before, nice one
フェルンのどすこいアタックをシュタルク以外の人間が受けてたら複雑骨折で廃人になるだろう
The show hasn't explained anything about needing to say the name of a spell, but it does seem like it helps. We see magic being casually cast without incantation, but when characters use their big powerful spells they almost always say the name of the spell. There's a shared idea in a lot of fantasy magic systems that saying the name of the spell or another sort of chant is just a way to help the caster focus on the spell so that it comes out right. I assume this show follows a similar system, even though it hasn't explained it yet (no manga spoilers please)
31:20 UBEL EATS 😂
we're getting closer and closer to episode 26 aka mage combat greatness
Frieren didn’t just recommend Stark what Himmel got, she recommended Stark Himmel’s fav food (Ruff Omelette) which he told her about in episode 3s flashback 😀 (sour grapes flashback)
Looking back to how Ubel asked Wirbel personal questions, she needs to understand the motivation when he uses this spell on the emotional level. Every time she seems randomly chatting with someone can be her trying to learn a new magic!
Yes, that's exactly the point. Her pursuit is a selfish one and it's not actually empathy. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
Yeees, finally a new episode 🎉
Thx for reacting
As mentioned in the episode, past first-class mage exams have three stages, and occur every three years. This time 18 people have passed stage 1, and Sense is the proctor for stage 2. Sense has always chosen exam tests that are "impossible" to pass - for anyone who is not qualified to be a first-class mage. Remember that the Magic Association has only been around for 50 years at this point, and only a handful of mages have ever passed the strict standard to be considered a "first-class mage" since the standard was implemented. The role of a first-class mage is to be able to achieve "the impossible" for anyone less than the pinnacle.
Of note is that the very first mage called first class is called Lernen, and he was a student of Serie, the founder of the Magic Association. Serie was also the former master of the legendary mage Flamme a thousand years ago, meaning that Flamme is the standard used to judge all other mages.
I don't think Serie is using Flamme as the standard for all 1st class mages. However, I won't delve into more, since it would be a spoiler for this episode as it's revealed in episodes 27-28.
I love you, Kim! I hope that's not weird.
Denken donuts gonna be his nickname for the rest of his life.
I would watch an entire episode of Stark and Fern fighting over silly things.
I’m gonna need ep 24,25,26 in one continuous video 😁 k thank youuuu. Or at least 25,26
I see Übel's empathy based "copying" much less mechanical. In her confrontation with Wirbel, she didn't try to empathize with Wirbel as a person, she tried to empathize with his usage of his binding spell. I'm convinced _that_ is how she learned/copied the spell: Her weaponized empathy allows her to intuit how the person feels when casting their spell, and her talent is to, simply from that intuition, then copy the spell by replicating that feeling without actually understanding the mechanics of the spell.
Except, as Ubel puts it, the magic someone specializes in is often reflected in who they are as a person. Hence why she seeks to know Land's past, what he thinks about, etc. and why it's implied Wirbel revealing so much to her is why she learned his magic. That's enough potentially rather than what he might be feeling whenever he uses magic.
@@Ryodraco I also agree with you. However, I do want to point one thing out. While Ubel says empathy and empathizing, it's really not that at all from a psychological point of view. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
The concept of empathy or what others would call empathy in sociopaths and serial killers is actually pretty common. They are usually outcasts and know it and want to understand why they are different. The search for empathy is what often leads to the actual serial killing as a purpose of connection to their victims.
Thank you for sharing 😊
Between the vinyl-record-diameter burgers, the giant platters of donuts from Episode 15, and Frieren's colossal pile of steaks here, it's like this series takes as much inspiration from Adam Richman's "Man vs Food" as it does from Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings".
HAHAHAH DENKEN DONUTS MAKING THEIR APPEARANCE
From now on this anime is pure fire 🔥in a absolute good way
Ah, second test.
We knew Frieren was a badass mage, but also kinda clueless and clumsy. Now we'll see how badass Frieren is.
I think calling out the Spell helps to visualize. Also in many magic systems the words of spells are something like the original name of things, so maybe this is also equal in frieren.
That old man pretending scene thinking he was training was so random lol.
oh no, Kim has fallen for Ubel too 😭
If you want to know the translation and correct pronunciation of characters' names, go to google translate, set it to "German -> English" then type in the name in German. You'll get the translation in English, and if you press the little speaker button, you'll get the pronunciation :)
Sense = zen-zeh
Genau = gen-ow (hard 'g', rhymes with "vow")
The author gave all the characters German names with meaning. Their entire personality is based off of it. Himel was for heaven / sky. Fern was to mean distant. Ubel is for evil. So I don't blame you if your first impression of her is like a psychopath.
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For me, magic is all about doing the impossible. So a mage would have to have some sort off faith or belief tthat they can do something. Ubel is a very interesting mage, because as cold as she seems, she needs people to open up to her and somehow she's able to empathize with them and feel how they use their magic, thus "learning" it. IMO. Four Eyes name is LAND. He won't open up and therefore, Ubel is a bit obsessed now. The Fern Happy Walk, is the BEST!
The show is amazing in making secondary and tertiary characters so interesting, isn't it?
Two points that I would like to address:
(1) Ubel's thing is not actually empathy from a psychological point of view. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
(2) While "impossible" things can be done with magic, it doesn't mean that magic can do absolutely anything. See below for a spoiler-free explanation of the magic system in the Frieren world.
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Short version; Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all.
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Long version; There are 4 components to a mage's magic-casting in the Frieren world:
(1) Mana: How much mana/magical-energy they have.
(2) Control: How much mana and how precisely they can control it.
(3) Spell: The magical formulas that they know and are able to use. Examples: Basic Offensive/Defensive Magic.
Note that the spell formula dictates what is possible or impossible. Examples:
(a) Basic Offensive Magic cannot pierce dragon scales or Basic Defensive Magic, regardless of the attacker's visualization. Otherwise, Frieren would've taught Fern how to do it when she asked Fern to attack the Solar Dragon in S01E05 in the former case, and Basic Defensive Magic would actually be useless in the latter case.
(b) Frieren's spell to clean a bronze statue not being usable for a stone statue. If it was purely a visualization based system, then there is absolutely no reason for why Frieren wouldn't be able to use the folk spell in S01E16 to clean Kraft's & Unknown-Priest's statues.
(4) Visualization: Needed to activate/use a spell since a mage cannot make something happen if they can't clearly/exactly picture the desired outcome.
Note that to clearly/exactly picture an outcome, one needs to have a complete understanding of said outcome. Therefore, they should have a complete understanding of the process that created that specific outcome/result as well (since only understanding an outcome without understanding the generating process, will be incomplete at best and flawed at worst). This is pretty much how it is in real life as well.
Furthermore, a weak visualization can weaken a spell, but a strong visualization cannot strengthen a spell. Examples:
(a) Regardless of Aura's visualization, her scales were already tilting towards Frieren, even though Aura was unaware that Frieren had more mana at that point. If it was a purely visualization based system, then Aura would've been able to dominate/control anyone including Frieren.
(b) UBEL EXAMPLE REVEALED IN S01E26.
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In summary, the visualization component of magic is just like in real life; you will surely fail if you have a 'bad' mindset, but a 'good' mindset does NOT guarantee success (ie, a 'good' mindset is a necessary, but insufficient condition for success since external factors are still a thing).
Visualization is important, but it's not the be-all-end-all. Spells determine what's possible or not, and a mage's visualization can make them achieve between 0% to 100% of a spell's potential.
They cannot just bs visualize/imagine themself into winning and/or doing the impossible.
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Also, there is technically one more component, which may fall under Control, but since I'm not convinced that it definitely does (and also because it's not completely crucial for just casting magic alone as a singular mage), I've written it below as a separate point:
(5) Detection: How accurately a mage can detect mana in a certain radius with themself at the center.
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The above info is from:
S01E02: First half of the episode with Frieren teaching Fern.
S01E03: Second half of the episode on Killing Magic.
S01E05: Second half of the episode with the Solar Dragon.
S01E08: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E09: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E10: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E15: First half of the episode on Goddess' Magic.
S01E16: Second half of the episode with the statue cleaning quest.
S01E20: Pretty much all of it. :)
S01E21: Pretty much all of it. :)
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This was an excerpt from my main post on "rFrieren" titled "Important lore that a lot of people get wrong".
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I was theorising that Ubel cold blooded personality was copied from emphatising with a killer, and her slashing magic (reelseiden) is also copied from that killer.
And now she become necessary killer because she empathise and copied Wirbel.
It's possible that she copied Reelseiden from someone else. However, her thing is not actually empathy from a psychological point of view. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
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Season 2 confirmed ❤
10:25 It's not Auberst. The "ß" character is not a "b". Without going into details about it, it's a stand-in for "ss" that's no longer commonly used in German. The initial diphthong, "Äu", sounds like "oy". The "er" kind of rhymes with "air". So the name of the city sounds like "oy-sairst". The Japanese voice actors actually do a decent job of replicating the correct pronunciation, so just listen to how they say it.
Denkin donuts and Ubel eats
If you have problems with the pronounciations, just type the names into google translate and click the voice button, the names are all german words so google will know how to pronounce all of them.
What Ubel does with Wirbel and Land is NOT empathy. She may think that it is, but it's really not. It's at best sympathy and at worst pity. There are subtle, but important difference here that many are unaware of, or just ignore because they're a fan of Ubel.
There are many resources online by just searching for "sympathy vs empathy" or other such terms. One sample resource;
"The Difference Between Empathy and Sympathy"
from Psychology Today by Neel Burton:
Key points
Sympathy is a reaction to the plight of others.
Empathy means sharing another person's emotions.
Compassion is more engaged than simple empathy.
And the chart goes like the following (in order of increasing Engagement):
Pity: I acknowledge your suffering.
===> Sympathy: I care about your suffering.
===> Empathy: I feel your suffering.
===> Compassion: I want to relieve your suffering.
Ubel is most likely just at the Pity stage when interacting with Wirbel and Land or any other mage for that matter.
3:28 bruh I've seen that part so fcking many times (cuz orgasm1c music tbh) and never saw that, it's literally 2 frames that's crazy, for anyone interested 15:05 to 15:06 from the anime. You gotta use a tool to slow it down cuz it's crazy fast
As I figured magic is somewhat like music. You can learn the theory of music and create songs using it, but some people just use their feelings to create songs.
Himmel said his favorite food was omelette thats what Frieren recommend to Stark.
Himmel likes to eat Ruf Omelette
If you want to know, Lawine's name is pronounced "La-vee-nay". It's German so the W is pronounced as V. You can watch the dub after you react to the sub so you can hear how to pronounce names if you can't pick them out of the Japanese.
why did you cut out high pitched Frieren intro😂😭😭
Land listen to this reaction:
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Denken donut
One thing I'd like to add to the conversation is that Übel is similar to a sociopath, she knows what people might feel, she can predict and all of that, but she doesn't for them. She knows the to their locks, that's all.
I don't know about that. Sociopaths are often said to lack empathy, but Ubel is quite reliant on experiencing it.
@@Ryodraco Except that Ubel is NOT actually empathizing with anyone as far as we've seen. There's a lot more nuance to empathy from a psychological point of view that Ubel is just not doing. For more details, see my comment above (if you sort by newest) regarding how Ubel's thing is NOT exactly empathy, but rather pity.
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Why so long guys im always waiting for a days now love always your reactions
Are you Renly Baratheon?
try "vox machina" next please. =)
and here's the start of the land x ubel ships
please upload fast if possible i can't wait to watch you guys react.
youre like my parents
Most people just casually write off Ubel as simply insane/bad etc, when she is so much more than that.
ß is not a B, it's a German double-S. So it's not pronounced "auberst", more like "oyssest".
On the magic systems (yes, there are more then one) in the "Frieren Universe". This is why reading the manga, which has gone further then the anime, helps.
There are basically 3 magic systems: demons, humanities (which includes humans and elves and I guess dwarves, tho we've never seen or heard of dwarf mages) and priests.
Remember when we were explained about priest magic, which is a lot on healing. Only those with the knack can do it.
Spells from demons can be incorporated into human magic (zoltraack and flying), but this takes study and sometimes like with flying is not fully understood.
Human magic you must learn the spells. Its NOT like Harry Potter where you just use a word and practice. Spells can be short enough to be on a scroll and learned in an hour or two, others in are grimoires that can take weeks or months to learn. There is no limit on how many spells a mage can learn. Many mages have lots of spells. What you see in the first 2 tests are that some mages have a signature spell, but they know others. Will others use several spells. You saw Denken use several spells and you'll see this further with others in the 2nd test.
While its not show in the anime, but is in the manga, is how Serie "grants" a spell to another.