Hey everyone! The 4th Community Milestone has been reached, so the Copycat perk deck is officially available to everyone! Enjoy the perk deck :D As some of you have asked in the comments, the reason I was able to unlock it early for this video was because, on release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the perk deck by completing just the solo part of the side job (shredding 30 presents), but that was quickly patched in U232.2 so the perk deck got blocked once again for most of us, only becoming available after finally reaching this 4th Community Milestone! Also, for those who have not yet shredded 30 presents: feel free to do it on any difficulty (Normal counts), and really any heist will do (the shredder always spawns REALLY CLOSE to the Christmas tree). Finishing the heist is not a requirement for the presents to count... but feel free to finish it anyway, if you wanna play it very very safe.
For the shred/secure ones, I found mallcrasher to be pretty good, as the shredder is right next to it, and the sled is one floor up. Plus, likely by the time you get a few presents, enough windows and the like will have been broken to make up the $50k, so you can finish immediately after
@@jimwormmaster Sounds like a decent choice yup! To add to it, another good heist for Securing (although this is not required for the Perk Deck) is Four Stores, with the sled being in the building right next to the tree!
@@Marcmb i do think overkill will nerf copycat in a couple months. how, donno. but im still going for hacker even though Copy is better than hacker at this point
@@qxlf Interesting choice! Currently I'm mostly using Yakuza (not Copycat-Yakuza) because it's considerably better for ECM rushing, but for Hacker I've completely replaced all of them... If they do balance it in the near future, I'll look forward to their changes and ideas :D
@@Marcmb after reading the percked details of Hacker AND copycat, ye i am wrong. hacker besides card 1 only offers more health and dodge. copycat gives the OP stealth pocket ecm along with free carry and crouch speed. i dont think crouch speed is that important, BUT the carry speed is. ecm rushes will be faster and for normal stealth play this is also a lot faster. i dont like that you get health on a headshot with copycat tho. why? it goes through the beserker effect with is something i really dislike. for example: if i take the yakuza copycat version with max bag movement and the lowest zerk i can get with frenzy, a couple headshots and im back at frenzy hp. it almost as iritating as hacker healing beserker players wich in my eyes needs to be fixed by Overkill. yes it indeed is a nice feature, but not when i run beserker. so if overkill can fix that thing im happy, but for the deck as is its still a super good deck. and after thinking about it, i think copycat is pretty balanced and see low reasons for a nerf. although the switch speed is glitched along with the rogue speed. watch a video from Bay1K voiced by MathewCabel on that for more info. so TL;DR im going to move my hacker stealth build to a copycat stealth build
And there it is: the inevitable "build your own class"-class that is eventually added to every shooter that has a mechanic similar to perk decks. I'm surprised it took them this long.
That's a very good way to put the deck into a category yup, basically just build your own class. I really like how it opens up so many possibilities for experimentation, so as *@Makowako* says it is quite fitting for one of the last PAYDAY2 updates :D
PD2 has always been a build your own class shooter, all the way from the beginning of release with skill trees and points, all this new addition did is offer more freedom to that system bruh
Copycat is a really interesting concept, I bet this was an experiment done to try out an idea for PD3. More flexible options when it comes to perk decks only makes sense for the sequel.
@@AvengerofWarcraft the only thing I wouldn't like about that is that the heisters themselves are part of the image of PAYDAY, so replacong them with a 100% customizable heister would be odd and would (ironically) make your character less special as they would either repeat the same voicelines (most likely from a choice of presets that only sound slightly different) or would not have any at all (GTA Online style), so I'd rather just have a selection of characters and have outfits and masks as the customization option (Like PAYDAY 2 has done recently)
Copycat is very broken with stoic. It allows you to use armour with the stoic ability. The only downside is that you do not get the extra HP after healing, but you can still recover it as usual.
Sounds interesting! Similar to the Stoic 2/9 that existed some months ago, but now with all the added bonuses of Copycat. I could see this becoming somewhat popular in the near future!
@@Marcmb Yeah. I tried it in loud before it got patched and it is really overpowered. You just need medkits and like heavy armour and you can be practically invincible. When copycat returns (after milestone), you should try it out!
@@endy611 I might check it out if my crew invites me to some loud heists, yeah! I only know about the regular Stoic, so it's good to learn about this new variation, even if just for the sake of knowledge.
I love how they basically gave free DLC perk decks to everyone. Especially nice for kingpin, even though they aren't to their maximum potential... It's still pretty good.
Yes! Especially Yakuza: amazing deck for stealth, and now it can be used without the DLC. However just to clarify, as far as I know, and from what I've heard, apparently this works for YAKUZA, but in the specific case of KINGPIN, the Copycat hybrid does NOT unlock the Injector deployable, because the devs are not allowed to give it out due to licensing reasons... (their paid agreement with the IP owners expired basically)
@@Marcmb Really? Wiki says that Copypin gives the injector, but I can't confirm for myself in-game (don't know if it unlocked over the weekend, and not enough perk points to instamax it)
@@jimwormmaster It's finally unlocked now! Feel free to test it out right now, I can't really test it myself because I have the Kingpin DLC so I would be able to equip it regardless!
@@skeley6776 Yup it doesn't heal for the full amount unlike the regular Kingpin, so it's quite weak... definitely not the best thing to combine with Copycat.
@@Army_of_Earth no Socio is more of a armorgate perk, the card that's copied from it is the best on wich restores 30 armor on kill pair that up with bullseye and the new 2 secs and it's a blast to play
Interesting! I've also heard that Biker is very strong when combined with Copycat. There's definitely A LOT of choices so I'm looking forward to what the community comes up with for loud! :D
@@vile8418 Thanks for clarifying vile! Since each of the 22 perk decks behaves differently with Copycat, it's important to know which benefits you actually get from the Copycat hybrid!
Same here Titubeur! When I saw the Developer Update, and started reading things about the deck, I thought each card would have 22 choices to make a fully customizable deck. It's still decent choices for 1 3 5 7, but not what I expected :p As a side note, Dr.Newbie already made a mod that gives exactly this behavior to the deck. Might be interesting to check out in the future after playing around with vanilla Copycat!
This is huge. I love the Hacker and having this bonus movement speed + spare points from not having to ace Transporter is gonna make for some interesting solos. Time to speedrun infamies!
It's absolutely huge yup! I'm already thinking of where I'm going to use the available points, especially while levelling up because 4 points are HUGE. It's a good day to be an Infamy farmer :D
Yea because hacker is a loud deck in stealth you only ever used part of the deck. Now I can have the pocket ecms (which have saved many a stealth heist..) and some useful stuff like swap speed and movement speed.
Copycat seems fun! Cheers for the video! Also completely left of field but would it be possible for you to do a breakdown of the payday 2 contest map Avalon's shadow? It's a huge map and quite the challenge stealth, so id love it if you did a breakdown on it!
It is absolutely very fun! Makes the gameplay more fast-paced, especially while dragging along a bunch of heavy bags. Glad you liked the video BrotherPolemos! As for your request, I've heard of Avalon's Shadow, and in the past I've considered making some content about custom heists. I'm not sure where in my timeline such content will fit, but it's good to start thinking about it: do you think such breakdowns should work as a guide too? Or more like a demonstration of what the heist is about and what elements it includes, so that heisters seeing it for the first time can then attempt it without knowing everything about it?
@@Marcmb personally I'd love both. Both a guide and a demo. I'd love to see you take it on and demonstrate strategies, interesting bugs or quirks, and a rundown of what the level is like. However I do understand that making that sorta content would be massive all in one video. Between playing it and recording the footage. Not to mention the editing later and especially considering the size of Avalon's shadow. So I leave that choice of video up to your discretion. Cheers for taking the time to reply!
@@BrotherPolemos Interesting response! I might consider making both in a single video in this case, and having a clear split in the middle for those who only want to see the first part. Of course as you say this would make the project much longer, but if the video ends up being more USEFUL, then it's worth it. I guess when we get closer to those videos, I'll post a Community Poll, to see if heisters interested in custom heists would be interested in seeing cool custom heists quickly, or guides for them at a lower rate!
Hey Brylyth! Not a bad question at all, no worries! Really simple answer too: on release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D
@@Marcmb Oh damn, maybe you should make a pinned comment so that it would save time for someone like me trying to figure out how you unlocked the perk already
@@truerandomizer2647 Definitely! We're also more than halfway through towards the Perk Deck, so we'll likely get it before the actual Christmas holidays officially begin!
Rogue got the short end of the stick on this one! I didn't go into detail for the 22 perk decks because I wanted to focus on stealth, but while Copycat-Hacker gets the Pocket ECM of the original Hacker, Copycat-Rogue only gets the card that makes you less likely to be targeted. No dodge at all! Glad you liked the video :) I'll do my best to keep it up!
Definitely! It's really "out there", compared to the usual things the devs give us, which makes it feel like it's something custom that a talented modder came up with :D
This Perk Deck is like Survivalist from KF2, allows some moderate customization freedom and variety all in one lil package and even has all rounder passives as well.
@@Marcmb Copycat-Yakuza I thought was really good personally. Slightly slower but the crouch speed makes a huge difference along with the bag bonus. Full speed Yakuza I find hard to control anyway especially with low FPS.
@@playcube4564 Oooh that's definitely a fitting choice for you then: in this situation I agree, I would just go Copycat-Yakuza every time. For me and the players in my crew however, we consider even FULL Yakuza to be a bit too slow, so we add permanent Second Wind for an additional constant +30% speed (which is insanely fast and makes it even harder to control). That's why we don't use Copycat-Yakuza for some heists, but only because we care about every bit of speed!
Haha! It absolutely is. Moving gold bags, as if they were money, is absolutely broken... This probably convinced you to also switch all your Hacker stealth runs to Copycat-Hacker instead :p
I know I'm a little late here, but Copycat is amazing for crit/dodge builds using the Anarchist's Blitzkreig Bop. Staying in 2-Piece with 20 armour means you recover 10 armour every second, making armourgating stupidly easy, and max dodge from the 4 selectables as well as relevant perks means you can easily manage a 50% chance to simply not take damage - as well as the ability to reflect dodged bullets back at the enemy. Also, because you get 2 seconds of invincibility when you drop below 50% HP, you literally get a guaranteed armour restoration from BB on a 15 second cooldown. All this, and you can couple it with any weapon setup you like, so long as it has good concealment, means this is my favourite build for any pure combat Loud mission.
That's true yup! I personally only play stealth exclusively these days, but from what I've heard from the loud community, the perk deck is excellent in loud as well :D
There's one small issue regarding Copycat + Yakuza, which is the +10 HP for every headshot you land. I start with around 950 speed and end up with 920 after like 4 guards killed.
taking guards hostage helps a lot with this, its easy to not headshot a hostage'd guard and its good to take them hostage anyway to avoid other guards open firing the frame they spot you
@@playcube4564 Remember that the aggression timer also gets set when you damage a guard without killing them, so not headshotting guards is not an option for murkies (e.g. Shadow raid, White house, or the Murky station) even if you dominate them.
Very good point MIHUKI! I considered mentioning that, however while recording a clip for it I noticed that it's quite insignificant... let me elaborate: Assuming that you're using Frenzy (like most Yakuza builds nowadays), the healing is reduced by 75%, so each headshot only heals you for 2.5 HP. Thus, even after you take out 4 guards (maximum in most heists, with pager guards), you've only managed to heal a total of 10 HP, which barely changes your speed! I could see it being an issue on Scarface, because of all the pagerless guards... but that one has no heavy loot, so you would be playing regular Yakuza on that one!
@@Marcmb I use Yakuza for Shadow Raid, and I don't need Frenzy for that particular heist, due to molotovs. But I guess the extra speed when moving gold (or heavier bags) compensates this problem.
@@playcube4564 This is a good option for Copycat yup, just to avoid the headshots. However as the user under you pointed out, it's important that this will trigger the aggression timer for the next 60s, so you will have to play more careful to avoid issues from that!
On a note unrelated to Copycat, how do you feel about the snowball throwable's applications in stealth? It allows for a silent 99% zerk on a non-frenzy setup, as well as utility in the form of ranged door destruction and guard elimination without consuming ammo.
Hey JVstarry! Excellent question. Last year when snowballs released, they were the best stealth throwable for a while. Not only do they allow you to zerk, but they also can be used every 5s for a permanent Second Wind without making any noise, on any stealth heist. Last year I actually wanted to make a video about them, but since the snowballs are removed as soon as Christmas ends, I ended up deciding against it...
@@Marcmb Have you considered encouraging the community to peacefully protest for their retention in the game year-round? If we can have things as silly as matryoshka dolls and playing cards for throwables without holiday restrictions, I fail to see why we can't have snowballs in the game beyond Christmas, especially seeing how utilitarian they are. I'm inclined to believe Overkill would be receptive to the idea if enough people cared.
MIldly late, but one thing that copykuza also gives that I don't think should be understated is the faster crouch speed. Probably not so much of a difference in speedrunning, but if you're playing casually it can 100% let you get away with things that you wouldn't otherwise, especially if you're carrying something that prevents you form the sprint-jump-crouch
Hey Abdullah! Sorry for the confusion: both are running, otherwise the speed difference would be massive! It's just that, on the Copycat build, I added the 'Close By' skill, which removes the sprinting animation without affecting the speed. This made it easier to make sure I didn't mix up any footage, while having no effect at all on the results!
Hahaha! There's not many situations where it shines, but after playing a heist many many times you start seeing situations where you really would appreciate the speed :p
For a new account or new players probably the best perk deck to unlock first because it's pretty much gives you access to everything for the price of one
Certainly an excellent choice yup! I recently started on a fresh account (after reaching Infamy 500), and I put some points into Hacker first (until I reached the +45% XP card) and then put everything into Copycat, because it's such a useful deck.
Hey monkey! Excellent question :) We did try that indeed, as soon as we saw the Ordnance bag, but sadly it does not recognize PCMs as valid throwables, so it will not refresh them :( It just says you don't have a throwable equipped while trying to interact with the bag.
Hey Dom Virus and *@pablitusstus*! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D _(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
@@domvirus4397 I just checked ingame, and it is indeed locked for me :( Some people got lucky and they kept the perk even after the fix, but I'm not one of those :(
Yup :( There was a bug yesterday that was allowing players to claim the deck after completing just the solo task, but they fixed it in U232.2 so now we have to work towards the 4th community goal. Let's get to it!
@@WonkOfWonkyness Indeed... on the bright side, the numbers are going up decently quick, so by the time the Christmas holidays begin, we will most certainly have it again! :D
So if you pick to mimic Anarchist, you get 2 seconds immunity to health damage when your armor breaks. And as part of the base perk 7, when you go below 50% health, you also gain 2 seconds immunity. Both state that the effect can not occur more than once every 15 seconds. But the big question is, do they share a cooldown? So like if your armor breaks, you get the 2 seconds, and then 8 seconds later you drop below 50% health (so the armor break immunity is on cooldown), would Copycat's base perk activate and give you another two seconds, or would neither one be available for 15s?
There is indeed double immunity yup. More importantly, the Copycat one does not only trigger the first time you drop below 50% health, but also any time you take damage while under 50% health (with its respective cooldown). Unfortunately I do not know if the two immunities share cooldown, but it would be an interesting thing to know. If you can check soon, let me know! If not, I'll check it out this evening or in two days, and come back to update you :D
Thanks V7! Glad you liked this one, and have fun with the new deck :) Also as for the BGM, it's all tracks from PAYDAY2: it starts with 'Armed to the Teeth', then transitions to 'Utter Chaos (stealth)' at around the Transporter ACE clip, then 'White Collar Crime' only for the Yacht Heist clip, and finally 'Shadows and Trickery' for the rest of the video!
Seems like a really cool perk deck, sadly I'll have to stick to original hacker and yakuza due to Overkill's and engine's ability to update console versions
Aww that's a shame Charonex :( Sadly it is like that for console players yup. Hopefully PAYDAY3 will be a lot better, considering it's being done in Unreal Engine, so there are no engine limitations this time...
Hey Lstriker! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed two days ago on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). Just a few more presents and we'll get it back!
You're not alone with that thought! When the dev update released, many players thought you would be able to combine the KEY ELEMENTS of different perk decks, which would've been insane... Unfortunately it's not quite that, but I still really like the deck :D
Hahaha indeed, not a mod! The concept is very out there compared to the usual decks, and the choices quite strong. There's a mod that adds even more choices to make it more of a Copycat, but regardless the deck is quite strong. Enjoy!! :D
Fun fact: while Molotov are not good for zerking with copycat, fire grenades are a good substitute as chucking down five of them is very easy and fast.
Hey Skyler! I just tried Incendiary grenades, and they didn't work very well :( They deal very little damage, and they take a while to explode (even if I shoot them to speed it up), so my armor is back up before each of the explosions, meaning I can't fully zerk after 6 of them! I tried throwing 5 at a time but the explosions push the grenades away, so that's a no-go also!
@@Marcmb zerking with fire grenades only works if you can use them in a corner with berserker aced. This is why shadow raid is easy to zerk with fire grenades. It takes some time but five can get you down to max zerking.
@@Memezndreamz I see! So you want a corner to prevent the grenades from pushing each other around? I'll do some more testing, with Frenzy BASIC. Thank you for the info! :)
Hey zach! It does indeed have that crouch speed yup. However, it's faster to simply sprint, or sprint-crouch-jump (which takes your sprint speed), so unless it's a heist where crouching is highly valuable (like Hostile Takeover), then it's doesn't actually affect the time! Good point though :)
@@Mark6O9 For sure! I'm going to watch most of them when they start showing up on my recommended, to see how the loud players manage the new deck customization :p
another crucial aspect of copycat yakuza that makes it much worse in my opinion is that berserker can be messed up by the head games card of the deck that heals you when you land headshots, leading to suboptimal speed/damage if you go for headshots like I do
That is very true The J, yup! I considered adding a clip of that, but while recording it I noticed that, if you have Frenzy basic (which is really common in saw / Yakuza builds), each headshot only heals you 2.5 HP, for a total of +10 HP after your maximum of 4 guard kills... so it didn't feel like such a big factor, after all!
Hey josh! I was thinking about just this the other day. However after some thinking, Copycat Yakuza would definitely be the winner. Because even without LBV, Yakuza and Anarchist are almost tied on artifact carrying speed. But the thing with Copycat is that you get the insane Carrying reduction, but on top of it you also get the +20% speed from Yakuza, so this would most certainly be the fastest.
Yup! From what I've heard, people consider this to be stronger than Leech, but not as strong as Leech on release (which was absolutely busted). I like the uniqueness of this one though, with all the customization options it has :D
I have a question, how do you unlock it? I have already done the side job that should give me the perk deck, but it doesnt give it to me, it says that I need to reach the forth community milestone, but i dont know what that is
Hey Pizza Requiem! You can check the milestone progress here, we're currently halfway through the second milestone: www.paydaythegame.com/payday2/updates/holiday2022/ Currently the perk deck has been locked for me, so I'm in the same situation as you, contribution to the milestone hoping we can get it soon. On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. However this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones!
Hey peter! That's from the skill "Close By" basic, from the Enforcer tree, which allows you to shoot your shotguns while sprinting (so the weapon sway animation is removed, to make that possible).
It absolutely is! Until 2 days ago, I always said that Hacker was the BEST stealth perk deck. However since this update, Copycat-Hacker has all the stuff from Hacker, with a bunch of added bonuses. So for stealth, the hybrid is much better!
The perk deck is good, but i can`t understand how to unlock that, acuratelly, there says "shredding christmas job side quest", and it`s event perk that disapear after christmas or no?
you cant unlock it since community hasnt reached the milestone when you open the game, click on the "A Criminal Carol" event and u will see the number of presents for reaching different milestones So people who have the copycat exploited it
Hey Ivanov! As you mention, when you hover over the locked Perk Deck, it mentions you need to complete the 'Shredding Christmas' Side Job. The usual Side Jobs list won't show it: you have to find them in a separate Side Jobs list. From the main menu, rather than going to the regular CrimeNET, you want to select "PLAY EVENT" (which takes you to the Event CrimeNET). From there, the list of Side Jobs will show all those event-related tasks! As for the exploit that *@resty4815* mentioned, there was a bug on release day that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D
@@resty4815 Oooh absolutely yes! People who are using cheats because they can't wait a few days until the community reaches the milestone are definitely knowingly cheating! It's not that hard to either wait or contribute to the challenge, especially considering we only had it early because of a bug...
I gathered that this deck is an event thing, but I can't play payday atm, might get my pc back in a month or so. Will I be able to unlock this deck then or will it be locked forever?
Hey diego! The devs have said that, even after the event, there will be ways to unlock the perk deck at any time. They have also said that the difficulty to do so will be a bit higher, but I don't expect anything too difficult from them! So no worries, and enjoy your time off :D
Great video but... How did you get it? I finished the side quest but I have to wait for the 4th community milestone. Funny thing is that I managed to unlock the skin, charm and skin variants. But I can't get the perk deck.
you can do this very funny thing where you make a folder in your mods folder and in it you put mod.txt saying this: { "name":"Unlock copycat", "author":"lmao", "version":"1", "blt_version":2, "hooks": [ { "hook_id": "lib/managers/dlcmanager", "script_path": "mod.lua" } ] } and mod.lua saying this function GenericDLCManager:has_mrwi_deck() return true end
Hey knighter! There was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D _(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
Hey Zetnus! Sorry for the very delayed response, I've been really busy these past 6 days. As for the point you bring up, that would be up to you mostly: to summarize, you would get all the benefits outlined in the video (faster bag moving, crouching, weapon swap...) but you would be losing everything not included in that Burglar card: faster lockpicking, faster bagging...
Is it better than burglar though? The extra speed when you lockpick, bag corpses or answer pagers is good, but im not sure if its better than what you showed here
Hey again Pizza! In the case of Burglar, if you try to go for Copycat-Burglar the only card you get is the 10% faster pager responses. So you lose your faster lockpicking speed, and your faster corpse bagging... In the case of Burglar, Copycat isn't really a good choice!
That's absolutely right yes! In fact I disabled the bots for most of my clips this video (to more accurately represent 4p gameplay), because when you combine those 2 it's even more broken! :D
Will there be chanell for loud bulids (dont get me wrong, you dont really need to do it but maybe if you want to showcase loud bulids or somting. Its fine if u dont want to tho)
Hey Nemanja! I don't play much loud, so I only have a total of 4 loud builds that I use every now and then (mostly Hacker and Sicario; sometimes Anarchist). I might make a video showcasing them in the future, but there are no immediate plans... You can check out some other loud creators because they have a lot of build videos: KevKild, Carrot, Uncle Geldgeil, Bay1k, Ace... there's lots of options to choose from! Plus if you go to their recommended channels, you can find even more :D
Very true Dedicate! The best part is no cooldown, and FULLY SILENT as you say. Last year some players were using it for the World Record Speedrun on Yacht Heist, where usually Second Wind is obviously impossible. I wanted to make a video on it, but sadly being limited to Christmas events makes it very unfortunate :(
Hey readzie! Excellent question, for sure. As soon as I saw the new deployable, that's the first thing I tried haha! Sadly the Ordnance Bag does not recognize Pocket ECMs as throwables, so if you try to replenish them, it will say that "YOU DON'T HAVE A THROWABLE EQUIPPED." Same thing for snowballs, which are a Christmas-exclusive stealth throwable.
the carry speed bonus made me toss a heavy bag because for some weird reason my body just tell me the carring the bag from my movement speed(not result in reset just a small "oops" moment).
Yes! It's so confusing for those who have been playing for a while, and recognize the weight of the bag by how fast the screen moves. It absolutely feels like you're moving money, but it's actually gold!
While it looks nice, I'll likely keep using Hacker as opposed to Copycat. Hacker means I can try stealth but still be fully prepared for loud, whereas copycat afaik can't use the same build for stealth and loud without sacrificing some of what gave it an advantage.
Hybrid builds like these are fun but not worth it. Besides, there are some stealth-only heists (breaking feds, shadow raid), where going loud is not an option.
the only heist where a hybrid build like this is good is Big Oil day 2, and yeah Hacker would still be better for that, but its for one heist and just acing Stockholm in your stealth build is about the same result.
Very good point Tye! If the heist goes loud, Hacker by itself can give you a lot of useful stuff that Copycat would lose (like the dodge, health recovery...). But as *@tomiko* pointed out, for heists where going loud is not an option, definitely consider the Copycat hybrid for the insane carry speed!
@@tomikoivisto Very true that hybrid builds in general are not worth it: it's better to focus on just one thing and be the best you can for that. However, I think he was referring to a FULL STEALTH build, just with the Hacker perk deck, which already gives you a lot of useful stats that can allow you to survive and contribute a bit, even after the heist goes loud! (Copycat loses most of those stats)
That could be VERY interesting! Considering that Muscle gets a lot of health regen, I'm sure that either a build going all in for MAX health, and one going for a bit of dodge, could both be fantastic!
Facts! Literally stronger than its base, with all the features plus some added benefits, at least in the case of Hacker. Luckily for Yakuza it's a bit more balanced, so you actually have to think about whether you want regular Yakuza, or Copycat-Yakuza!
Hey P1L0T! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. This is the same thing that happened to *@rittenine4689* and *@bigchamp4202,* in this chain of comments. Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! We have to complete these community milestones as *@resty4815* said. Basically instead of shredding 30, you should secure 30 instead to add a bit to the goal, and reach the high numbers as a community. You can track the progress here: www.paydaythegame.com/payday2/updates/holiday2022 Some people have said that SHREDDING also counts for the milestone, but I'm not sure so for now I'll be SECURING them... _(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
Thanks a lot for the tip, OnionK! Now that you mention it, NEGATE sounds a lot better for this context - didn't think of that option but will be using it from here on out!
Honestly, the fact that it can copy the other decks is telling me that this is likely the last perk deck. Besides, PD3 is supposed to release in 2023 anyway.
Very likely the last deck, yup! Just as you say, it makes a lot of sense because the sequel is coming very soon (this might be the devs testing the waters for creative features they might wanna add in PAYDAY3, who knows!).
So it sounds like Hacker has been power creeped - Copycat is better for consistency and for most players stealthing because the benefits are passive, and you don't have to do anything for them. Yakuza is still better for high skill players that want to shrink their completion times at the cost of a higher skill curve. Less risk versus time saved.
Completely power-crept, yup, which is a bit of a shame. Objectively speaking it was mostly a design issue on the Hacker deck already: for stealth, ALL of its power came from just the 1st card, so as long as Copycat copied that one, then by design it's already a superior choice because it has all the utility plus all its extra Copycat benefits. On the other hand I really like the situation for Yakuza, because depending on the heist (loot types) and how much time you have to Zerk, the correct choice will be one or the other. Much better situation! Some heisters do defend that Hacker is still better in the rare event that the heist goes loud and you have to fight for a bit, but unfortunately that doesn't happen a lot in PAYDAY2 stealth :p
This would've been an interesting comparison, true! Especially since Anarchist is so fast when moving artifacts. I didn't think about that because I didn't want to make the "speed comparison" part too long, but it's definitely worth checking out!
Hey monochrome! Very good point actually. I considered mentioning that, however while recording a clip for it I noticed that it's quite insignificant... let me elaborate: Assuming that you're using Frenzy (like most Yakuza builds nowadays), the healing is reduced by 75%, so each headshot only heals you for 2.5 HP. Thus, even after you take out 4 guards (maximum in most heists, with pager guards), you've only managed to heal a total of 10 HP, which barely changes your speed! I could see it being an issue on Scarface, because of all the pagerless guards... but that one has no heavy loot, so you would be playing regular Yakuza on that one!
Hey Ben! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D _(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
@@Marcmb ohhh thanks for telling me Also i agree that there should be a way to stealth presents but there should be a limit to the ammount you can get. Of course then people would just farm jewlery on dw to get a ton of exp coins and money.
Yup true, it's a shame that consoles got left so far behind :( At least they've said that PAYDAY3 will not repeat the same mistake (because Unreal Engine makes it easier to update consoles), but the current game is a mess...
Haha! People are saying that for loud it's either too good, or too weak. We'll have to wait and see! For stealth it's ABSOLUTELY superior than Hacker, and equal with Yakuza depending on the heist. Very strong for sure!
Hey MeLoveGaming! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed 3 days ago on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). Just a few more presents and we'll get it back!
Really really useful yup! And yes sadly the devs have confirmed that there's not gonna be any more console updates, due to engine limitations :( I'm really hoping the situation will be better with PAYDAY3, because that's being done in Unreal Engine 4, so these limitations will no longer be an issue.
I’m guessing Hacker will still be better than Copycat in loud on the flip side because of the survivability cards, but curious if Copycat would be a way better Yakuza for loud since it couldn’t always be a good choice for stealth
Hey LD! You're indeed right yup. For loud, Hacker is a lot better without the Copycat hybrid. For Yakuza, the hybrid might be better for loud, because you can add a lot of useful stats such as dodge... but you lose all the Armor Recovery Speed, which is a shame...
@@user-sb7wj1vn4x Interesting to see so Copycat over Stoic! I guess it really depends on the choices, but I've heard that some things like Copycat-Biker are really strong!
When you click play event then side jobs it’s listed there but I’ve heard theirs a lot of trouble with it, including they messed up the community milestone to begin with
Hey Gannon! Just as *@DCDragoCraft* said before me, you have to find them in a separate Side Jobs list. From the main menu, rather than going to the regular CrimeNET, you want to select "PLAY EVENT" (which takes you to the Event CrimeNET). From there, the list of Side Jobs will show all those event-related tasks!
Hey Mefistofell! If you're not using Frenzy, but you still zerk to very little HP, then Copycat-Yakuza will be faster: if both decks are very close to 0 HP their speed will be essentially the same, but the Copycat version has all the extra bonuses (faster heavy bag movement, faster crouch, weapon swap...).
Hey Friedrich! Sadly the deck has also been re-locked for me :( The only reason some of us unlocked it early is because on release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. Unfortunately this was fixed 3 days ago on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). Just a few more presents and we'll get it back!
@@friedrichdergroe2074 Yes! And also latest news is that the devs confirmed that SHREDDING the presents also counts towards the milestones. So whichever option is closer to the tree should be optimal!
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Hey everyone! The 4th Community Milestone has been reached, so the Copycat perk deck is officially available to everyone! Enjoy the perk deck :D
As some of you have asked in the comments, the reason I was able to unlock it early for this video was because, on release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the perk deck by completing just the solo part of the side job (shredding 30 presents), but that was quickly patched in U232.2 so the perk deck got blocked once again for most of us, only becoming available after finally reaching this 4th Community Milestone!
Also, for those who have not yet shredded 30 presents: feel free to do it on any difficulty (Normal counts), and really any heist will do (the shredder always spawns REALLY CLOSE to the Christmas tree). Finishing the heist is not a requirement for the presents to count... but feel free to finish it anyway, if you wanna play it very very safe.
For the shred/secure ones, I found mallcrasher to be pretty good, as the shredder is right next to it, and the sled is one floor up. Plus, likely by the time you get a few presents, enough windows and the like will have been broken to make up the $50k, so you can finish immediately after
@@jimwormmaster Sounds like a decent choice yup! To add to it, another good heist for Securing (although this is not required for the Perk Deck) is Four Stores, with the sled being in the building right next to the tree!
@@Marcmb i do think overkill will nerf copycat in a couple months. how, donno. but im still going for hacker even though Copy is better than hacker at this point
@@qxlf Interesting choice! Currently I'm mostly using Yakuza (not Copycat-Yakuza) because it's considerably better for ECM rushing, but for Hacker I've completely replaced all of them...
If they do balance it in the near future, I'll look forward to their changes and ideas :D
@@Marcmb after reading the percked details of Hacker AND copycat, ye i am wrong. hacker besides card 1 only offers more health and dodge. copycat gives the OP stealth pocket ecm along with free carry and crouch speed. i dont think crouch speed is that important, BUT the carry speed is. ecm rushes will be faster and for normal stealth play this is also a lot faster. i dont like that you get health on a headshot with copycat tho. why? it goes through the beserker effect with is something i really dislike. for example: if i take the yakuza copycat version with max bag movement and the lowest zerk i can get with frenzy, a couple headshots and im back at frenzy hp. it almost as iritating as hacker healing beserker players wich in my eyes needs to be fixed by Overkill. yes it indeed is a nice feature, but not when i run beserker. so if overkill can fix that thing im happy, but for the deck as is its still a super good deck. and after thinking about it, i think copycat is pretty balanced and see low reasons for a nerf. although the switch speed is glitched along with the rogue speed. watch a video from Bay1K voiced by MathewCabel on that for more info. so TL;DR im going to move my hacker stealth build to a copycat stealth build
And there it is: the inevitable "build your own class"-class that is eventually added to every shooter that has a mechanic similar to perk decks. I'm surprised it took them this long.
Honestly don’t mind this though because it will be one of pd2s last updates. I think it’s a nice addition to close everything out
That's a very good way to put the deck into a category yup, basically just build your own class. I really like how it opens up so many possibilities for experimentation, so as *@Makowako* says it is quite fitting for one of the last PAYDAY2 updates :D
@[HDLM] Scruffee that one is more of a jack-of-all-trades more than build your own class, and it's also the worst class in that game.
It is quite fun to see though.
PD2 has always been a build your own class shooter, all the way from the beginning of release with skill trees and points, all this new addition did is offer more freedom to that system bruh
Copycat is a really interesting concept, I bet this was an experiment done to try out an idea for PD3. More flexible options when it comes to perk decks only makes sense for the sequel.
Yeah, that makes sense
Hopefully, there’s a Create-a-heister feature in PD3.
@@AvengerofWarcraft the only thing I wouldn't like about that is that the heisters themselves are part of the image of PAYDAY, so replacong them with a 100% customizable heister would be odd and would (ironically) make your character less special as they would either repeat the same voicelines (most likely from a choice of presets that only sound slightly different) or would not have any at all (GTA Online style), so I'd rather just have a selection of characters and have outfits and masks as the customization option (Like PAYDAY 2 has done recently)
My hope is it means we'll be able to mix and match to make our own decks for PD3.
@@kinch_evl my hope is that Perk Decks and progression are not tied to the character you play as (Raid WW2 did it and it was miserable)
Finally, the "just use both" solution is now possible, the perk deck discourse has finally been solved
In a way the best of both worlds, indeed :D Insane speed, AND the insane utility of Pocket ECMs!
Copycat is very broken with stoic. It allows you to use armour with the stoic ability. The only downside is that you do not get the extra HP after healing, but you can still recover it as usual.
Sounds interesting! Similar to the Stoic 2/9 that existed some months ago, but now with all the added bonuses of Copycat. I could see this becoming somewhat popular in the near future!
@@Marcmb Yeah. I tried it in loud before it got patched and it is really overpowered. You just need medkits and like heavy armour and you can be practically invincible. When copycat returns (after milestone), you should try it out!
@@endy611 I might check it out if my crew invites me to some loud heists, yeah! I only know about the regular Stoic, so it's good to learn about this new variation, even if just for the sake of knowledge.
@@endy611 why am I having a feeling that u dont play DSOD? Its just a better 2/9 Stoic but normal Stoic is still a lot better.
@@skeley6776 yo chill out man like holy. I've tried it on DSOD and it works pretty decently.
I love how they basically gave free DLC perk decks to everyone. Especially nice for kingpin, even though they aren't to their maximum potential... It's still pretty good.
Yes! Especially Yakuza: amazing deck for stealth, and now it can be used without the DLC.
However just to clarify, as far as I know, and from what I've heard, apparently this works for YAKUZA, but in the specific case of KINGPIN, the Copycat hybrid does NOT unlock the Injector deployable, because the devs are not allowed to give it out due to licensing reasons... (their paid agreement with the IP owners expired basically)
@@Marcmb Really? Wiki says that Copypin gives the injector, but I can't confirm for myself in-game (don't know if it unlocked over the weekend, and not enough perk points to instamax it)
@@jimwormmaster It's finally unlocked now! Feel free to test it out right now, I can't really test it myself because I have the Kingpin DLC so I would be able to equip it regardless!
Copycat Kingpin is pretty useless.
@@skeley6776 Yup it doesn't heal for the full amount unlike the regular Kingpin, so it's quite weak... definitely not the best thing to combine with Copycat.
Having 483 hp and Sociopaths armor recovery on kill + the bonuses from perk specific things make it a blast to play
Do you mean despite there is nothing about melee bonus at sociopath mimic card description we still get consecutive strikes benefit?
@@Army_of_Earth no Socio is more of a armorgate perk, the card that's copied from it is the best on wich restores 30 armor on kill pair that up with bullseye and the new 2 secs and it's a blast to play
Interesting! I've also heard that Biker is very strong when combined with Copycat. There's definitely A LOT of choices so I'm looking forward to what the community comes up with for loud! :D
@@Army_of_Earth in copycat-socio you get tension instead (30 armor per kill)
@@vile8418 Thanks for clarifying vile! Since each of the 22 perk decks behaves differently with Copycat, it's important to know which benefits you actually get from the Copycat hybrid!
At first i thought each of the copycat perks could be any from any other perk deck... i think it would have been too much broken lmao
Same here Titubeur! When I saw the Developer Update, and started reading things about the deck, I thought each card would have 22 choices to make a fully customizable deck. It's still decent choices for 1 3 5 7, but not what I expected :p
As a side note, Dr.Newbie already made a mod that gives exactly this behavior to the deck. Might be interesting to check out in the future after playing around with vanilla Copycat!
@@Marcmb oh my... cant wait to play a burglar/hacker/yakuza deck 😭
@@titubeur978 Hahaha! That's what we were all saying in the chat, when the perk deck concept got releaved :D
This is huge. I love the Hacker and having this bonus movement speed + spare points from not having to ace Transporter is gonna make for some interesting solos. Time to speedrun infamies!
It's absolutely huge yup! I'm already thinking of where I'm going to use the available points, especially while levelling up because 4 points are HUGE. It's a good day to be an Infamy farmer :D
Yea because hacker is a loud deck in stealth you only ever used part of the deck. Now I can have the pocket ecms (which have saved many a stealth heist..) and some useful stuff like swap speed and movement speed.
Copycat seems fun! Cheers for the video!
Also completely left of field but would it be possible for you to do a breakdown of the payday 2 contest map Avalon's shadow? It's a huge map and quite the challenge stealth, so id love it if you did a breakdown on it!
It is absolutely very fun! Makes the gameplay more fast-paced, especially while dragging along a bunch of heavy bags. Glad you liked the video BrotherPolemos!
As for your request, I've heard of Avalon's Shadow, and in the past I've considered making some content about custom heists. I'm not sure where in my timeline such content will fit, but it's good to start thinking about it: do you think such breakdowns should work as a guide too? Or more like a demonstration of what the heist is about and what elements it includes, so that heisters seeing it for the first time can then attempt it without knowing everything about it?
@@Marcmb personally I'd love both. Both a guide and a demo. I'd love to see you take it on and demonstrate strategies, interesting bugs or quirks, and a rundown of what the level is like.
However I do understand that making that sorta content would be massive all in one video. Between playing it and recording the footage. Not to mention the editing later and especially considering the size of Avalon's shadow. So I leave that choice of video up to your discretion.
Cheers for taking the time to reply!
@@BrotherPolemos Interesting response! I might consider making both in a single video in this case, and having a clear split in the middle for those who only want to see the first part. Of course as you say this would make the project much longer, but if the video ends up being more USEFUL, then it's worth it.
I guess when we get closer to those videos, I'll post a Community Poll, to see if heisters interested in custom heists would be interested in seeing cool custom heists quickly, or guides for them at a lower rate!
Il be sure to keep an eye out and cast my vote. I Look forward to seeing more content, cheers!
marc and his spanish heritage seeing how fast he can move gold
Haha I guess it was in my blood all along :p
Bit of an embarrassing question here, but how did you unlock Copycat already? Isn't it locked behind the milestone?
Hey Brylyth! Not a bad question at all, no worries! Really simple answer too: on release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D
@@Marcmb Oh damn, maybe you should make a pinned comment so that it would save time for someone like me trying to figure out how you unlocked the perk already
@@Stacid7826 Very good point yes! I'll pin this question actually, since the question was worded very nicely.
@@Marcmb We already killed untold number of cops for a big golden spoon the event will be easy to get
@@truerandomizer2647 Definitely! We're also more than halfway through towards the Perk Deck, so we'll likely get it before the actual Christmas holidays officially begin!
Rogue-copycat will either be a scrapyard or be 80% dodge chance.
Great video and keep doing what you're doing!
Rogue got the short end of the stick on this one! I didn't go into detail for the 22 perk decks because I wanted to focus on stealth, but while Copycat-Hacker gets the Pocket ECM of the original Hacker, Copycat-Rogue only gets the card that makes you less likely to be targeted. No dodge at all!
Glad you liked the video :) I'll do my best to keep it up!
Copycat is like an actual mod in vanilla payday 2 it's so stupid yet so fun with its possibilities
Definitely! It's really "out there", compared to the usual things the devs give us, which makes it feel like it's something custom that a talented modder came up with :D
What an insane early Christmas present from Overkill. Goddamn
For sure! I like all these new additions that shake up the meta a little bit. Great new additions!
Thanks man! I didn't understand how to use this in stealth / loud. But now I do! Thanks.
Glad the explanations helped, makviins! That is good to hear, thank you :)
Rest in Peace, little Hacker Deck, and remember: You're better than Yakuza...
Haha! A few days ago I would've said that both decks were worthy of the TOP1, but now sadly Hacker is no more... RIP indeed...
Man stealthily *Zerks* his way to riches
Zerking every day! it gives too many good benefits to ignore after all :p
This Perk Deck is like Survivalist from KF2, allows some moderate customization freedom and variety all in one lil package and even has all rounder passives as well.
Interesting that KF2 also has a deck similar to this one! Makes sense since it's quite a good concept, after all :D
Why Payday 2 getting awesome updates when I am in the military haha
It's a great video btw, going to use the Copycat-Hacker from now on!
Haha! There'll be tons of amazing content for you to enjoy when you get back, MrBlueSky. Look forward to it!! :D
@@Marcmb I hope so! 😄 also I hope that by the time I am back then Payday 3 will be out
@@MrBlueSky77 That would be quite nice! I'm hoping that "SOON" we will get something like a release date, or a closed alpha maybe...
@@Marcmb even a gameplay trailer of Payday 3 would be nice at this point haha
@@MrBlueSky77 I would absolutely settle for a gameplay trailer as well :p
Looks like that's the end of "is hacker or yakuza meta" feud
For sure! Hacker is definitely out of the picture now: Copycat-Hacker better in all situations! As for Yakuza it's a bit more complex :p
@@Marcmb Copycat-Yakuza I thought was really good personally. Slightly slower but the crouch speed makes a huge difference along with the bag bonus. Full speed Yakuza I find hard to control anyway especially with low FPS.
@@playcube4564 Oooh that's definitely a fitting choice for you then: in this situation I agree, I would just go Copycat-Yakuza every time.
For me and the players in my crew however, we consider even FULL Yakuza to be a bit too slow, so we add permanent Second Wind for an additional constant +30% speed (which is insanely fast and makes it even harder to control). That's why we don't use Copycat-Yakuza for some heists, but only because we care about every bit of speed!
I knew the final card could change, but i just pulled that joey realization meme when you showed off that other portions can be changed.
:D It's a fantastic deck yup! Plenty of room for customization, which is neat when optimizing strategies.
Amazing video, copycat definitely has some great speedrunning capabilities
Absolutely yup! Anything involving heavy bags is now much much faster with Copycat. Glad you liked the video Broken Lord!
Man oh man that movement bonus will be so nice transporting 30000 heavy bags in stealth
Absolutely yup! I tested it on Framing Frame, and moving those 8 gold bags has never felt faster... Insanely good!
holy shit that's gonna be fun to test all the builds with this!
Absolutely! Especially for loud: it has sooo many options! Really looking forward to what the community comes up with :D
8:57 this speed is groundbreaking
Haha! It absolutely is. Moving gold bags, as if they were money, is absolutely broken... This probably convinced you to also switch all your Hacker stealth runs to Copycat-Hacker instead :p
Imagine your just having fun playing payday2 then you just see a guy running at the speed of light
It's always nice to see indeed! Plus playing at max speed yourself is also really cool :p
I never seen this channel but Im glad i did because you explained it so well
Thanks a lot, legionfan! Glad the explanations were easy to understand :D good to hear!
I know I'm a little late here, but Copycat is amazing for crit/dodge builds using the Anarchist's Blitzkreig Bop. Staying in 2-Piece with 20 armour means you recover 10 armour every second, making armourgating stupidly easy, and max dodge from the 4 selectables as well as relevant perks means you can easily manage a 50% chance to simply not take damage - as well as the ability to reflect dodged bullets back at the enemy. Also, because you get 2 seconds of invincibility when you drop below 50% HP, you literally get a guaranteed armour restoration from BB on a 15 second cooldown. All this, and you can couple it with any weapon setup you like, so long as it has good concealment, means this is my favourite build for any pure combat Loud mission.
That's true yup! I personally only play stealth exclusively these days, but from what I've heard from the loud community, the perk deck is excellent in loud as well :D
There's one small issue regarding Copycat + Yakuza, which is the +10 HP for every headshot you land. I start with around 950 speed and end up with 920 after like 4 guards killed.
taking guards hostage helps a lot with this, its easy to not headshot a hostage'd guard and its good to take them hostage anyway to avoid other guards open firing the frame they spot you
@@playcube4564 Remember that the aggression timer also gets set when you damage a guard without killing them, so not headshotting guards is not an option for murkies (e.g. Shadow raid, White house, or the Murky station) even if you dominate them.
Very good point MIHUKI! I considered mentioning that, however while recording a clip for it I noticed that it's quite insignificant... let me elaborate:
Assuming that you're using Frenzy (like most Yakuza builds nowadays), the healing is reduced by 75%, so each headshot only heals you for 2.5 HP. Thus, even after you take out 4 guards (maximum in most heists, with pager guards), you've only managed to heal a total of 10 HP, which barely changes your speed!
I could see it being an issue on Scarface, because of all the pagerless guards... but that one has no heavy loot, so you would be playing regular Yakuza on that one!
@@Marcmb I use Yakuza for Shadow Raid, and I don't need Frenzy for that particular heist, due to molotovs. But I guess the extra speed when moving gold (or heavier bags) compensates this problem.
@@playcube4564 This is a good option for Copycat yup, just to avoid the headshots. However as the user under you pointed out, it's important that this will trigger the aggression timer for the next 60s, so you will have to play more careful to avoid issues from that!
On a note unrelated to Copycat, how do you feel about the snowball throwable's applications in stealth? It allows for a silent 99% zerk on a non-frenzy setup, as well as utility in the form of ranged door destruction and guard elimination without consuming ammo.
wait what? how do you zerk with the snowball?
@@jurgnobs1308
It does a small amount of damage if you throw it at your feet
Hey JVstarry! Excellent question. Last year when snowballs released, they were the best stealth throwable for a while. Not only do they allow you to zerk, but they also can be used every 5s for a permanent Second Wind without making any noise, on any stealth heist.
Last year I actually wanted to make a video about them, but since the snowballs are removed as soon as Christmas ends, I ended up deciding against it...
@@Marcmb Have you considered encouraging the community to peacefully protest for their retention in the game year-round? If we can have things as silly as matryoshka dolls and playing cards for throwables without holiday restrictions, I fail to see why we can't have snowballs in the game beyond Christmas, especially seeing how utilitarian they are. I'm inclined to believe Overkill would be receptive to the idea if enough people cared.
@@JVstarry ahh yes because that worked so great with the damage fall of system.
you can now offcially become a stoic man that has A LOT MORE HEATLTH THEN USUAL (even with the maxed out armor so you have more health)
Bonus health on top of Stoic health, yes! It sounds like an amazing combination :D
@@Marcmb Stoic build while also muscle that is a true nightmare for the cops
@@claomker6378 Nightmare for the cops is good for me! :D
Interesting stuff....keep it coming, Overkill...
Very interesting Endleader, yup! Glad you're enjoying it :)
MIldly late, but one thing that copykuza also gives that I don't think should be understated is the faster crouch speed. Probably not so much of a difference in speedrunning, but if you're playing casually it can 100% let you get away with things that you wouldn't otherwise, especially if you're carrying something that prevents you form the sprint-jump-crouch
5:38 yakuza run, the copy cat walk
Hey Abdullah! Sorry for the confusion: both are running, otherwise the speed difference would be massive! It's just that, on the Copycat build, I added the 'Close By' skill, which removes the sprinting animation without affecting the speed.
This made it easier to make sure I didn't mix up any footage, while having no effect at all on the results!
imagine being so pro at payday2 that weapon swap speed is a consideration
Hahaha! There's not many situations where it shines, but after playing a heist many many times you start seeing situations where you really would appreciate the speed :p
For a new account or new players probably the best perk deck to unlock first because it's pretty much gives you access to everything for the price of one
Certainly an excellent choice yup! I recently started on a fresh account (after reaching Infamy 500), and I put some points into Hacker first (until I reached the +45% XP card) and then put everything into Copycat, because it's such a useful deck.
Have you tried to extend the time for ecm rushes with the new deployable? i refills your throwables so it should give you more pEcms
Hey monkey! Excellent question :)
We did try that indeed, as soon as we saw the Ordnance bag, but sadly it does not recognize PCMs as valid throwables, so it will not refresh them :( It just says you don't have a throwable equipped while trying to interact with the bag.
How did you unlock it already? For me, it's locked behind the fourth community milestone.
Same
Hey Dom Virus and *@pablitusstus*!
On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D
_(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
@@Marcmb Do you still have the perk deck or is it now locked for you?
@@domvirus4397 I just checked ingame, and it is indeed locked for me :(
Some people got lucky and they kept the perk even after the fix, but I'm not one of those :(
Small problem. Community milestones.
Yup :( There was a bug yesterday that was allowing players to claim the deck after completing just the solo task, but they fixed it in U232.2 so now we have to work towards the 4th community goal. Let's get to it!
@@Marcmb I should not have waited for the update.
@@WonkOfWonkyness Indeed... on the bright side, the numbers are going up decently quick, so by the time the Christmas holidays begin, we will most certainly have it again! :D
@@Marcmb Yup. And I'm doing my part daily... *_Are you?_*
So if you pick to mimic Anarchist, you get 2 seconds immunity to health damage when your armor breaks. And as part of the base perk 7, when you go below 50% health, you also gain 2 seconds immunity. Both state that the effect can not occur more than once every 15 seconds. But the big question is, do they share a cooldown? So like if your armor breaks, you get the 2 seconds, and then 8 seconds later you drop below 50% health (so the armor break immunity is on cooldown), would Copycat's base perk activate and give you another two seconds, or would neither one be available for 15s?
There is indeed double immunity yup. More importantly, the Copycat one does not only trigger the first time you drop below 50% health, but also any time you take damage while under 50% health (with its respective cooldown).
Unfortunately I do not know if the two immunities share cooldown, but it would be an interesting thing to know. If you can check soon, let me know! If not, I'll check it out this evening or in two days, and come back to update you :D
@@Marcmb Unfortunately I did not have enough points to instamax the perk deck, only up to #6, but I will keep an eye out.
This is more of speedrunner deck than copycat, looks good.
Looks very good yup! Especially for heists with many heavy bags - insane speed!
Rip Copycat, removed from my hands
Same here :( They fixed the early unlock, so now we have to complete the Community Milestones (as originally intended) before we can equip it again!
perfect
a perk deck
that allows you to have all perk decks
Indeed! ANY perk deck with some debuffs depending on your choice, and some bonus BUFFS that you can customize. Endless possibilities! :D
Very interesting video! can't wait to try this out :D
Also I don't care dude I need the background music hehe (ty in advance)
Thanks V7! Glad you liked this one, and have fun with the new deck :)
Also as for the BGM, it's all tracks from PAYDAY2: it starts with 'Armed to the Teeth', then transitions to 'Utter Chaos (stealth)' at around the Transporter ACE clip, then 'White Collar Crime' only for the Yacht Heist clip, and finally 'Shadows and Trickery' for the rest of the video!
@@Marcmb Thanks a lot!! looking forward to your future content on this :) (of course I assume you might make more stuff on this perk lol)
@@v7xgaming You're welcome! And there will definitely be more videos about Copycat hybrids, yup! :p
Bro, ur vids are just perfect
Thank you very much Саша! That's really kind of you, I appreciate it :D
Seems like a really cool perk deck, sadly I'll have to stick to original hacker and yakuza due to Overkill's and engine's ability to update console versions
Aww that's a shame Charonex :( Sadly it is like that for console players yup. Hopefully PAYDAY3 will be a lot better, considering it's being done in Unreal Engine, so there are no engine limitations this time...
How are people getting access to the deck without the community milestone?
Hey Lstriker! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed two days ago on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). Just a few more presents and we'll get it back!
when i saw the title i thought you could combine the speed boost from yakuza with pcms lol,still pretty good tho
You're not alone with that thought! When the dev update released, many players thought you would be able to combine the KEY ELEMENTS of different perk decks, which would've been insane... Unfortunately it's not quite that, but I still really like the deck :D
so Yakuza when you can't zerk, and Copycat-Yakuza when you can zerk (and a bag heavy heist)
That is exactly correct yup! :)
this blew my mind
Thanks vverbov! Glad I could teach you some things about Copycat :)
Wait, it's not a mod? I just saw copycat-related mod in modworkshop today. Well god damn, it changes a lot...
Hahaha indeed, not a mod! The concept is very out there compared to the usual decks, and the choices quite strong.
There's a mod that adds even more choices to make it more of a Copycat, but regardless the deck is quite strong. Enjoy!! :D
Fun fact: while Molotov are not good for zerking with copycat, fire grenades are a good substitute as chucking down five of them is very easy and fast.
Hey Skyler! I just tried Incendiary grenades, and they didn't work very well :( They deal very little damage, and they take a while to explode (even if I shoot them to speed it up), so my armor is back up before each of the explosions, meaning I can't fully zerk after 6 of them! I tried throwing 5 at a time but the explosions push the grenades away, so that's a no-go also!
@@Marcmb zerking with fire grenades only works if you can use them in a corner with berserker aced. This is why shadow raid is easy to zerk with fire grenades. It takes some time but five can get you down to max zerking.
@@Marcmb accidentally said berserker aced when I meant frenzy basic
@@Memezndreamz I see! So you want a corner to prevent the grenades from pushing each other around? I'll do some more testing, with Frenzy BASIC. Thank you for the info! :)
@@Marcmbfunny thing is that the build I used is actually your latest but tweaked in a way to compliment the saw.
Does Copycat-Yakuza also have the 40% crouch boost? Can that be used to save lost time?
Hey zach! It does indeed have that crouch speed yup. However, it's faster to simply sprint, or sprint-crouch-jump (which takes your sprint speed), so unless it's a heist where crouching is highly valuable (like Hostile Takeover), then it's doesn't actually affect the time! Good point though :)
You can basically be a tanky Leach if you wanted too or make an op build like muscle even more broken
The possibilities are endless yup! Some of them a bit too strong, but I really like all the customizability :D
@@Marcmb someone is going to make a lot of videos on copy cat builds
@@Mark6O9 For sure! I'm going to watch most of them when they start showing up on my recommended, to see how the loud players manage the new deck customization :p
Kingping + Dodge bonus god configuration
Sounds interesting! I really like all the possibilities and combinations that this opens up for loud. There's a lot to explore!
another crucial aspect of copycat yakuza that makes it much worse in my opinion is that berserker can be messed up by the head games card of the deck that heals you when you land headshots, leading to suboptimal speed/damage if you go for headshots like I do
That is very true The J, yup! I considered adding a clip of that, but while recording it I noticed that, if you have Frenzy basic (which is really common in saw / Yakuza builds), each headshot only heals you 2.5 HP, for a total of +10 HP after your maximum of 4 guard kills... so it didn't feel like such a big factor, after all!
Anarchist + LBV + Trans Ace + Copycat Carrying reduction? Would be curious to see results with heavier bags (mainly thinking for shadow raid here)
Hey josh! I was thinking about just this the other day. However after some thinking, Copycat Yakuza would definitely be the winner. Because even without LBV, Yakuza and Anarchist are almost tied on artifact carrying speed. But the thing with Copycat is that you get the insane Carrying reduction, but on top of it you also get the +20% speed from Yakuza, so this would most certainly be the fastest.
This is just somehow better than leech in every way.
Yup! From what I've heard, people consider this to be stronger than Leech, but not as strong as Leech on release (which was absolutely busted). I like the uniqueness of this one though, with all the customization options it has :D
@@Marcmb same the swap boost on the first card alone makes it so strong.
@@zombieminecraft4213 It's perfect for utility yup! Easy to overlook but incredibly useful in many situations.
I have a question, how do you unlock it? I have already done the side job that should give me the perk deck, but it doesnt give it to me, it says that I need to reach the forth community milestone, but i dont know what that is
Hey Pizza Requiem! You can check the milestone progress here, we're currently halfway through the second milestone: www.paydaythegame.com/payday2/updates/holiday2022/
Currently the perk deck has been locked for me, so I'm in the same situation as you, contribution to the milestone hoping we can get it soon. On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. However this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones!
This is it. The peak perk deck
One perk deck for ALL perk decks :D Incredible design legitimately!
hi marcmb
How to sprint and hold the gun straight like at 5:39 (right side)? Is it an effect from mods or the copycat perk?
Hey peter! That's from the skill "Close By" basic, from the Enforcer tree, which allows you to shoot your shotguns while sprinting (so the weapon sway animation is removed, to make that possible).
@@Marcmb I see, thanks for answering!
@@peterhou6384 You're welcome! Happy to help with that :)
Hacker Perk deck by itself is awesome
It absolutely is! Until 2 days ago, I always said that Hacker was the BEST stealth perk deck. However since this update, Copycat-Hacker has all the stuff from Hacker, with a bunch of added bonuses. So for stealth, the hybrid is much better!
@@Marcmb R.I.P Hacker Perk Deck
The perk deck is good, but i can`t understand how to unlock that, acuratelly, there says "shredding christmas job side quest", and it`s event perk that disapear after christmas or no?
you cant unlock it since community hasnt reached the milestone
when you open the game, click on the "A Criminal Carol" event and u will see the number of presents for reaching different milestones
So people who have the copycat exploited it
@@resty4815 thx dude
Hey Ivanov! As you mention, when you hover over the locked Perk Deck, it mentions you need to complete the 'Shredding Christmas' Side Job. The usual Side Jobs list won't show it: you have to find them in a separate Side Jobs list. From the main menu, rather than going to the regular CrimeNET, you want to select "PLAY EVENT" (which takes you to the Event CrimeNET). From there, the list of Side Jobs will show all those event-related tasks!
As for the exploit that *@resty4815* mentioned, there was a bug on release day that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D
@@Marcmb Facts, but i meant some people using mods to unlock it even after the patch
@@resty4815 Oooh absolutely yes! People who are using cheats because they can't wait a few days until the community reaches the milestone are definitely knowingly cheating! It's not that hard to either wait or contribute to the challenge, especially considering we only had it early because of a bug...
I gathered that this deck is an event thing, but I can't play payday atm, might get my pc back in a month or so. Will I be able to unlock this deck then or will it be locked forever?
Hey diego! The devs have said that, even after the event, there will be ways to unlock the perk deck at any time. They have also said that the difficulty to do so will be a bit higher, but I don't expect anything too difficult from them!
So no worries, and enjoy your time off :D
Wow this is something new. I’ll stick to Copycat-Hacker as I prefer PCM
Very new and very exciting! Excellent choice on that Copycat-Hacker :)
Great video but... How did you get it? I finished the side quest but I have to wait for the 4th community milestone. Funny thing is that I managed to unlock the skin, charm and skin variants. But I can't get the perk deck.
you can do this very funny thing where you make a folder in your mods folder and in it you put mod.txt saying this:
{
"name":"Unlock copycat",
"author":"lmao",
"version":"1",
"blt_version":2,
"hooks":
[
{
"hook_id": "lib/managers/dlcmanager",
"script_path": "mod.lua"
}
]
}
and mod.lua saying this
function GenericDLCManager:has_mrwi_deck()
return true
end
Hey knighter! There was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D
_(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
What about copycat Burglar? You still get the pager answering speed, which is probably the most important part of Burglar.
Hey Zetnus! Sorry for the very delayed response, I've been really busy these past 6 days.
As for the point you bring up, that would be up to you mostly: to summarize, you would get all the benefits outlined in the video (faster bag moving, crouching, weapon swap...) but you would be losing everything not included in that Burglar card: faster lockpicking, faster bagging...
Is it better than burglar though? The extra speed when you lockpick, bag corpses or answer pagers is good, but im not sure if its better than what you showed here
Hey again Pizza! In the case of Burglar, if you try to go for Copycat-Burglar the only card you get is the 10% faster pager responses. So you lose your faster lockpicking speed, and your faster corpse bagging... In the case of Burglar, Copycat isn't really a good choice!
@@Marcmb Ok, thanks for the answer!
whats the heist at 8:32 btw?? pls tell me :(
Hey isycle! That is Framing Frame, DAY3!
I remember there is ai crew bonus that makes faster reload and swap. Now they will never see it coming lol
I mix it with that bonus, swapping animation? Disapproved, give me my second gun already
That's absolutely right yes! In fact I disabled the bots for most of my clips this video (to more accurately represent 4p gameplay), because when you combine those 2 it's even more broken! :D
Will there be chanell for loud bulids (dont get me wrong, you dont really need to do it but maybe if you want to showcase loud bulids or somting. Its fine if u dont want to tho)
Hey Nemanja! I don't play much loud, so I only have a total of 4 loud builds that I use every now and then (mostly Hacker and Sicario; sometimes Anarchist). I might make a video showcasing them in the future, but there are no immediate plans... You can check out some other loud creators because they have a lot of build videos: KevKild, Carrot, Uncle Geldgeil, Bay1k, Ace... there's lots of options to choose from! Plus if you go to their recommended channels, you can find even more :D
@@Marcmb Thats fine 👍
you can second wind abuse with snowballs and it's completely silent and does very little damage
Very true Dedicate! The best part is no cooldown, and FULLY SILENT as you say. Last year some players were using it for the World Record Speedrun on Yacht Heist, where usually Second Wind is obviously impossible. I wanted to make a video on it, but sadly being limited to Christmas events makes it very unfortunate :(
Me, a console player: "hmm yes very interesting, wish i could fucking use it"
Very very sad for console :( Unfortunately this one is not coming to console versions, but hopefully the devs will step it up for PAYDAY3...
GUYS I FOUND OUT TODAY COPYCAT ISNT JUST STEALTH YOU CAN DO GRINDER WITH MUSCLE HEALTH TOO!!!
Loud as well, yes! It's the best for stealth, but can also be applied to loud (many builds out there!).
Has any testing gone into the Ordanance Bag being used with jack of all trades to refresh pocket ecms?
Hey readzie! Excellent question, for sure. As soon as I saw the new deployable, that's the first thing I tried haha!
Sadly the Ordnance Bag does not recognize Pocket ECMs as throwables, so if you try to replenish them, it will say that "YOU DON'T HAVE A THROWABLE EQUIPPED."
Same thing for snowballs, which are a Christmas-exclusive stealth throwable.
Such a shame, would have been amazing if it worked
@@readzie3531 Indeed! We were planning on using it on Alesso Heist to make the full ECM rush a bit more reliable, but sadly no luck :(
Love it with dodge because I deflect bullet snow.
And the best part of dodging is that the bullets are now sent back to the attacker. Great for taking out snipers, if you get lucky and dodge them!
the carry speed bonus made me toss a heavy bag because for some weird reason my body just tell me the carring the bag from my movement speed(not result in reset just a small "oops" moment).
Yes! It's so confusing for those who have been playing for a while, and recognize the weight of the bag by how fast the screen moves. It absolutely feels like you're moving money, but it's actually gold!
While it looks nice, I'll likely keep using Hacker as opposed to Copycat. Hacker means I can try stealth but still be fully prepared for loud, whereas copycat afaik can't use the same build for stealth and loud without sacrificing some of what gave it an advantage.
Hybrid builds like these are fun but not worth it. Besides, there are some stealth-only heists (breaking feds, shadow raid), where going loud is not an option.
the only heist where a hybrid build like this is good is Big Oil day 2, and yeah Hacker would still be better for that, but its for one heist and just acing Stockholm in your stealth build is about the same result.
@@playcube4564 That and No Mercy.
Very good point Tye! If the heist goes loud, Hacker by itself can give you a lot of useful stuff that Copycat would lose (like the dodge, health recovery...). But as *@tomiko* pointed out, for heists where going loud is not an option, definitely consider the Copycat hybrid for the insane carry speed!
@@tomikoivisto Very true that hybrid builds in general are not worth it: it's better to focus on just one thing and be the best you can for that. However, I think he was referring to a FULL STEALTH build, just with the Hacker perk deck, which already gives you a lot of useful stats that can allow you to survive and contribute a bit, even after the heist goes loud! (Copycat loses most of those stats)
Imagine 900 lb gorilla with a dodge build
That could be VERY interesting! Considering that Muscle gets a lot of health regen, I'm sure that either a build going all in for MAX health, and one going for a bit of dodge, could both be fantastic!
Gotta love power creep!
Facts! Literally stronger than its base, with all the features plus some added benefits, at least in the case of Hacker.
Luckily for Yakuza it's a bit more balanced, so you actually have to think about whether you want regular Yakuza, or Copycat-Yakuza!
gotta be one of my best perk decks... because it's (possibly) every other perk deck
One for all yup, for one at a time! Definitely very strong, especially for stealth :D
Marc, how do u complete the collect present milestone?
Bro, everyone got this deck randomly. Even I woke up and saw it available. I played with it for like 3 hours, but then they locked it again
@@rittenine4689 same for me here, i have no idea how to get it unlocked now
@@asskickr community milestones
Hey P1L0T! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete. This is the same thing that happened to *@rittenine4689* and *@bigchamp4202,* in this chain of comments.
Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! We have to complete these community milestones as *@resty4815* said.
Basically instead of shredding 30, you should secure 30 instead to add a bit to the goal, and reach the high numbers as a community. You can track the progress here: www.paydaythegame.com/payday2/updates/holiday2022
Some people have said that SHREDDING also counts for the milestone, but I'm not sure so for now I'll be SECURING them...
_(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
@@Marcmb okay, thanks
Instead of nullify, use Negate, or negated.
Thanks a lot for the tip, OnionK! Now that you mention it, NEGATE sounds a lot better for this context - didn't think of that option but will be using it from here on out!
Honestly, the fact that it can copy the other decks is telling me that this is likely the last perk deck. Besides, PD3 is supposed to release in 2023 anyway.
Very likely the last deck, yup! Just as you say, it makes a lot of sense because the sequel is coming very soon (this might be the devs testing the waters for creative features they might wanna add in PAYDAY3, who knows!).
So it sounds like Hacker has been power creeped - Copycat is better for consistency and for most players stealthing because the benefits are passive, and you don't have to do anything for them. Yakuza is still better for high skill players that want to shrink their completion times at the cost of a higher skill curve. Less risk versus time saved.
Completely power-crept, yup, which is a bit of a shame. Objectively speaking it was mostly a design issue on the Hacker deck already: for stealth, ALL of its power came from just the 1st card, so as long as Copycat copied that one, then by design it's already a superior choice because it has all the utility plus all its extra Copycat benefits.
On the other hand I really like the situation for Yakuza, because depending on the heist (loot types) and how much time you have to Zerk, the correct choice will be one or the other. Much better situation!
Some heisters do defend that Hacker is still better in the rare event that the heist goes loud and you have to fight for a bit, but unfortunately that doesn't happen a lot in PAYDAY2 stealth :p
Maybe you should try compare copycat with anarchists stealth (with transporter aced) I would like to see results as well
This would've been an interesting comparison, true! Especially since Anarchist is so fast when moving artifacts. I didn't think about that because I didn't want to make the "speed comparison" part too long, but it's definitely worth checking out!
you have overlooked that you regen 10 hp per headshot so if you want to boost murkies you gonna have to worry about it or else lower your yakuza bonus
Hey monochrome! Very good point actually. I considered mentioning that, however while recording a clip for it I noticed that it's quite insignificant... let me elaborate:
Assuming that you're using Frenzy (like most Yakuza builds nowadays), the healing is reduced by 75%, so each headshot only heals you for 2.5 HP. Thus, even after you take out 4 guards (maximum in most heists, with pager guards), you've only managed to heal a total of 10 HP, which barely changes your speed!
I could see it being an issue on Scarface, because of all the pagerless guards... but that one has no heavy loot, so you would be playing regular Yakuza on that one!
Wait.. how do you have this unlocked?
Im very confused
Hey Ben! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed yesterday on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). So we better get to it, and start getting presents! :D
_(i wish they added some sort of stealth option to get presents...)_
@@Marcmb ohhh thanks for telling me
Also i agree that there should be a way to stealth presents but there should be a limit to the ammount you can get. Of course then people would just farm jewlery on dw to get a ton of exp coins and money.
As a console player this makes me sad. I’m stuck with burglar, or basic hacker.
Yup true, it's a shame that consoles got left so far behind :(
At least they've said that PAYDAY3 will not repeat the same mistake (because Unreal Engine makes it easier to update consoles), but the current game is a mess...
What have they created, this is too overpowered
Haha! People are saying that for loud it's either too good, or too weak. We'll have to wait and see! For stealth it's ABSOLUTELY superior than Hacker, and equal with Yakuza depending on the heist. Very strong for sure!
Hey how did you get copycat we didn’t even hit the 2nd community milestone and we need the fourth for cpu cat
Hey MeLoveGaming! On release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed 3 days ago on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). Just a few more presents and we'll get it back!
Looks really useful
Too bad it's not gonna release on consoles
Really really useful yup! And yes sadly the devs have confirmed that there's not gonna be any more console updates, due to engine limitations :(
I'm really hoping the situation will be better with PAYDAY3, because that's being done in Unreal Engine 4, so these limitations will no longer be an issue.
Does anyone know the link or mod to the day night switch thing hes using at 5:52 ?
The mod is called "Time Selector" by ChildOfSorrow, you can find it on the Modworkshop!
I’m guessing Hacker will still be better than Copycat in loud on the flip side because of the survivability cards, but curious if Copycat would be a way better Yakuza for loud since it couldn’t always be a good choice for stealth
leech>hacker>copycat>stoic are S tier honestly.
Hey LD! You're indeed right yup. For loud, Hacker is a lot better without the Copycat hybrid. For Yakuza, the hybrid might be better for loud, because you can add a lot of useful stats such as dodge... but you lose all the Armor Recovery Speed, which is a shame...
@@user-sb7wj1vn4x Interesting to see so Copycat over Stoic! I guess it really depends on the choices, but I've heard that some things like Copycat-Biker are really strong!
6:45 Cuffed Speedrun (No Yakuza)
Haha! I was just trying to show the speed numbers and the guy just wanted to be there at just the right place :D
4:38 Noooooo My Hackerrrrr
RIP Hacker :( removed from my favorites, never to be used again...
(But in spirit it will still be with us, since the PCMs will still be used!)
How can I unlock this? It says complete shredding Christmas side job but I don't see it listed in side jobs.
When you click play event then side jobs it’s listed there but I’ve heard theirs a lot of trouble with it, including they messed up the community milestone to begin with
Hey Gannon! Just as *@DCDragoCraft* said before me, you have to find them in a separate Side Jobs list. From the main menu, rather than going to the regular CrimeNET, you want to select "PLAY EVENT" (which takes you to the Event CrimeNET). From there, the list of Side Jobs will show all those event-related tasks!
If we take without Frenze and leave little hp, Does it make original yakudza still faster?
Hey Mefistofell! If you're not using Frenzy, but you still zerk to very little HP, then Copycat-Yakuza will be faster: if both decks are very close to 0 HP their speed will be essentially the same, but the Copycat version has all the extra bonuses (faster heavy bag movement, faster crouch, weapon swap...).
Somehow my unlock is bugged, i did the required things but its says the community thingy isnt reached yet, please help
Hey Friedrich! Sadly the deck has also been re-locked for me :( The only reason some of us unlocked it early is because on release day, there was a bug that allowed you to claim the event rewards by completing the solo task, and then restarting the game. Upon relaunching, the game would only check the progress of the solo task, allowing you to claim things even if the COMMUNITY MILESTONE was still incomplete.
Unfortunately this was fixed 3 days ago on U232.2, so now the perk deck is locked until we finish the Community Milestones (AS WAS INTENDED). Just a few more presents and we'll get it back!
@@Marcmb ah i see thanks^^ well that means we need to steal more presents, lets go!
@@friedrichdergroe2074 Yes! And also latest news is that the devs confirmed that SHREDDING the presents also counts towards the milestones. So whichever option is closer to the tree should be optimal!