Skyrim - The SECRET Mysteries of Flesh Magic - Elder Scrolls Lore & Theories
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we discuss the secret mysteries of Flesh Magic! We journey through multiple Elder Scrolls games, including not only Skyrim, but Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and its Shivering Isles DLC, as well as The Elder Scrolls Online.
This is one of the most fascinating types of magic, and while it's hard to define, there's many interesting examples popping up throughout Tamriel's history, going back quite far on the timeline.
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series and was released worldwide on November 11, 2011. The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim.
At FudgeMuppet, we uncover the elder scrolls lore secrets that make the games so sensational, and in this video we're going to be exploring the many examples we could find of a very unique type of magic! Our TESV footage is brought to life with a host of awesome Skyrim mods, but we also feature footage from ESO and TES IV to show off the best examples in all their glory. Best of all, we get to visit the realm of the Daedric Prince of Madness, Sheogorath!
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Thank you for all the love and support you've been showing on the channel recently! We're really grateful for all of the kind words, feedback and passion for these topics. There's two things we'd love to let you know. Firstly, if you're interested in further exploration of the topic discussed of Relmyna and Sheogorath having a thing, there's actually a note you can find called Letter to Sheogorath. Relmyna talks about how she misses Sheogorath, and mentions that when she visits the Gatekeeper, she is reminded of when they created him. She references Sheogorath's "glistening body in the pool" and how he "lovingly" blended the "components of flesh that would become our child". I (Michael) could make a dedicated Relmyna video sometime if you wanted me to - just let me know. Secondly, if you love these topics and the elder scrolls in general, definitely check out our new podcast! We've done 3 episodes already and soon to record the 4th, with each one focusing on a particular TES topic. Thanks everyone!
Yessss yall really make the best elderscrolls content
Yeah, a relmyna video would be wonderful Michael!
You guys are the best
You perhaps could have incorporated mention about ESO necromancer class, with flesh atro ultimate
Hey Guys! Big fan as you can probably guess from the name. I was wondering if you could maybe do a build that is played in the game oblivion or Morrowind.
Restoration: healing
Necromancy: healing but late
Carnomancy: healing but _very_ late and you had to copy from your friend's notes
necromancy is just healing without giving up.
Destruction is just a way to use necromancy
@@pj5403 destruction: healing with extra steps.
Meatmancy
What if the Dragonborn used flesh magic in Helgen to shift their face and race in real time?
It explains why they wanted to kill him/her before ulfric
Well ok want that to be official lore now.
Hadvar has....SEEN things
"Who....are you?"
"Why Hadvar-" _flesh melds in real time_
"-I'm you."
Omg it makes sense now
I'm glad to see this topic....... *FLESHED* out
Great pun
oof
Here's the door get out
This hurt.
Im gana send you to the soul carn for that joke
And yes i know it was misspelled
Sheogorath: *sews a bunch of corpses together*
Random Daedra: It's free real estate
@@Olsenator You gotta bring a soul, but the body's free.
I forgot how dramatic the ritual was, really brought me in to what I was doing and awakened my love for the necromantic arts.
Hey guys let's all grab a shovel, head to the graveyard, and get too it!!! Pro tip: bring a black robe (hooded!) And a litre of baby blood (fresher the better, so bring the kids along!)
For me necromancy as a way to punish those who I feel that Death is too good for them
@@SupernaturalDetective the best way to be a necromancer while being morally good (in a certain way at least).
Lukas Langdon Chaotic good
It also really helped to have the intense Jeremy soule music in the background while the ritual was going on lol
Egypt:. Let's just cover them in salt so they don't rott
Elder Scrolls: MAGIC, EVERYTHING IS DONE BY MAGIC
To be fair, if magic existed in this world, would you be content to be so boring as to only use salt?
@@NoahofWill that's why I don't understand the Nords in Skyrim. They keep saying that magic is for the weak and for elves, but in the long run it's more effective than melee weapons. Sure, their distrust is somewhat justified due to the collapse of Winterhold and recent Thalmor activities, but I wouldn't call it weak at all.
That's like fighting with swords in the modern day while making fun of people who use firearms, because they're not physically strong enough to wield a "real" weapon.
Lukas Langdon the Nords disdain for magic was apparently kinda recent, after the oblivion crisis. Before than, nords used to respect magic, even called mages “Clever-Men”
@@NoahofWill magic does exist homie just not like that
@@vermillion6159 I mean
if you consider how beefier melee followers treat enemy mages in Skyrim
It's kinda like your HEMA bro who benches tanking a glock to turn the shooter's clavicle into dust with a great sword lmao
The speech she gives when creating the gatekeeper is so well written...
Right? I really enjoyed it.
Too bad she's not a trainer, like several others back in Cyrodill. The awesome and crazy s%#@ you could learn from her!
You didnt get into the Briarhearts. That has to be some form of flesh magic. I thought youd dive deep into that
Both the Briarhearts and the very transformation of the Hags themselves is implied to be the same kind of "old magic" that the Butcher was studying. The magic of flesh is as old as flesh itself, and that's the tradition that the hagravens and the forsworn keep alive. Massive oversight.
No actually the Briarheart or all that is considered "old magic" by the forsworn is a form of very powerful restoration magic that is not practiced by any mages (other than forsworn and hagravens) in present day.
@@libertyprime3482 You're forgetting about neleth
Also Bonewalkers
@@libertyprime3482 auger of dunlain
I wonder if defeating Alduin and "breaking the dragon" could have caused a dragon break making the outcome of the factions and all side questions be completed and incompleted at the same time like what happened with the warp in the west.
That’s an interesting theory , we won’t know till elder scrolls 6 comes out
you put a question I couldn't quite verbalize into perfect english
Probably with multiple options on what happens with the civil war they need to come up with some dragon break reason
I mean, you intentionally cause a dragon break when reading the Elder Scroll at the Throat of the World, and canonically that happens before the (potential) civil war truce. Perfect storm for some warping, this time in the north!
That didn't even happen in nirn, so.... No.
Last time I was this early the Aedra still had physical forms.
Relmyna also has a love letter to Sheogorath on her, detailing some very saucy descriptions of the Daedra that involve him in the Cistern of Substantiation.
I‘d love a „Conjure Flesh armour“ or a „meat tentacle“ spell where you augment your body with. And don‘t forget the meat shield (pun intended)
I would totally run around Skyrim sprouting tentacles. Hail C'Thulu!!
Or maybe a meat rod as a sword?
Hmmm, meat Bicycle!
trevor banet I hope it‘s shiny
Kanuui kinky
I hope the next installment of the elder scrolls lets us dabble in “flesh magic”... it seems like every time I start a play through of Skyrim I always come back to conjuration.. it just seems so powerful and interesting compared to other schools of magic..
its hella fustrating to be limited to such a small number of summons
@@menacetosociety9076 your right. But beyond that think, where are we conjuring from? I could already think of a 'void pocket' perk that can grant increased carry weight. And bound weapons DEFINITELY need some rework. They should lvl along with u and your one handed lvl.
GO play Morrowind. You'd love Mysticism :3 It's a crime they cut it :c
The Guardian gets attacked
The Guardian: "It's just a flesh wound"
God damnit just take my damn upvote
Tis but*
No skin off my nose
"No one likes you that much." I laughed way too hard at that.
In Morrowind there's a Telvanni who works with Corprus magic. He made his own daughter-wives via some cloning process.
„let me know if you want a dedicated video on ...“
YES! please! you don‘t even need to ask, we always want more!
while this is just conjecture, I imagine Void Essence may be a refined, or possibly a corrupted form of void salts, and it is through that, that a daedric soul can be bound to the Flesh Atronach.
I will also say that the mentions of flesh magic being used to change the living reminds me of how the mortal races were often changed by the daedric princes, and I wonder if perhaps they are the same magic, just with the magnatudal difference between a mortal and a Daeric Prince.
I can't see the armor on ordinary flesh atronachs having any protective value. Definitely placed there for either aesthetics or holding the bodyparts together, likely both. However the gatekeeper seems to have some protective layer on his belly. The belly is a known weak spot, often not as well protected as the rest of the body seeming as it would limit manoeuvrability. Maybe the gatekeepers belly armor serves such a purpose seeming as he doest seem to concerned with manoeuvrability. Bear in mind that if it hadn't been there, it would have left a large opening for adventurers to lob heaps of spears and arrows onto it, and as mighty as the gatekeeper may be, I can imagine it being rather difficult to fend off all these enemies and protected his belly at the same time.
Spears?
if only
However, what if the armor pieces are a means to hold the soul inside the flesh? Like extra protection.
The armor has no protective value that I can see, since the only thing that can hurt and kill a gatekeeper is another gatekeeper
Reminds me of cenobites.
Hey Fudgemuppet, I was wondering if you could do more videos about unique magic in Tamriel, such as celestial magic in ancient Hammerfell, fey magic, warden nature magic, aedric magic, and ash lander wise women magic. There is also the harmonious masters.
TES 6 better have Sand Magic. They talked all about it when learning Ash Magic, and leaving it out would be just another shameful Bethesda oversight (or, a convenient excuse for DLC).
That would be cool.
Gara
There's magic for every type of attribute. Only that fire, frost and shock are the most commonly known/taught.
I hope they have star magic, in eso it allowed ancient nedes in Hammerfell to make celestial beings through the use of nirncrux. Imagine being able to create your own aedric/ magna ge like spirits that you can summon to do your bidding. In fact, the nedes even worshipped the most powerful ones as gods.
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not, it's not a story the Mage's Guild would tell you... He was an Ayelid so powerful and wise he could influence the Daedra to create... Sand.
On the void essence section he refers to oblivion as "there", sometimes the shivering isles are so nice that after the main game gate crawl we forget it's oblivion.
Could "true flesh" refer to the actual element she claims to have discovered? Perhaps true elemental flesh is pure, primordial biomass? Maybe there is a realm of oblivion that consists entirely of primordial flesh like how there are realms for fire, ice and lightning?
Dude, that's a HORRIFYING thought because it's crazy... but just crazy enough that there's almost definitely a place like that in Oblivion 😬
There are those flesh pods with random loot inside them in mehrune dagon's realms in oblivion. I don't think anyone knows where they come from.
Yep, that's what I think as well. Necromantic flesh creations just seem like golems brought to life with the soul magic that Necromancy is all about, no different from the skeletal creations other than the ingredients involved. But just like a Frost Atronach isn't just normal mundane ice that's being controlled by a daedra but actually a being made of "true ice" being summoned from an elemental realm of Oblivion, I think the same is true of Flesh Atronachs.
@@Mysticpaw I never really tried verifying it but because they had stuff like clothes and pocket change in them I always figured the flesh pods were made from mortals. Partly because when I saw the nearby larger containers that looked like giant living daedric hearts, I figured they were punished daedra based on what I'd read in previous games about things like bound/daedric weapons and how daedric punishment isn't always as quick and simple as death, since they eventually can reform after death.
@@__jonbud______________________ I think you are right. I didnt remember that explanation of them when I wrote my previous comment.
The fact the face sculptor is in the hidden headquarters of the Thieves Guild suggests she somehow got in trouble with authorities somewhere. Maybe changing the faces of wanted criminals? Maybe helping dissidents escape the Thalmor? You can see why she might have been given sanctuary there,since her talents might be needed someday should a thief ,assassin or someone else connected to Maven Blackbriar's enterprises need to disappear from official view.
I'd say Dagoth Ur's blight and what changes he makes with his followers using the corpus is similar to flesh magic.
Also 'corpus' itself means 'body'
Well he was working with the literal heart of the god most responsible for the creation of the mortal plane. In addition to its raw power and influence over the world, I'm not sure if there's anything else that can qualify as "primordial flesh" on Nirn.
@@__jonbud______________________ well you have the primordial chaotic shape shifting beings that azura and Yiffri made the Khajiit and bosmer out of
@@vonfaustien3957 yeah but those beings got fundamentally altered from their original states countless generations ago. Between the two, the closest we get now is the Bosmer wild hunt, which seems to be an unstable degeneration and is rumored to result in potentially a new monster with permanent form from the survivor of the cannibalistic frenzy at the end.
I'll agree with you that it's definitely closer to some concept of primordial flesh, but it's still fundamentally altered and not quite of the same magnitude of the Heart. I'm not sure how close the Heart was to it's original composition after Dwemer tonal architects tried messing with it's nature and properties through tonal manipulation or it's relatively current state after everything that's happened with Red Mountain (whole other topic) but it seems to have been the closest thing around that qualified as a relatively stable surviving sample of flesh closest to the original concept of "flesh" as it's understood.
I love a flesh magic mod or even for it to appear in elder scrolls 6.
Do we even know Relmyna's age I mean if she started out as a chimer and eventually joined an early mages guild before they caught up with her. Just a thought
Nicholas Gait my guess would be around 808 years old by the time of Skyrim
Oblivion realms warp time effects on mortal lives, so possible
last time i was this early i still didnt have an arrow in the knee.
When I played a necromancer that quip "We'll make a necromancer out of you yet!" really hurt my feelings.
I rebought Skyrim and ESO just because of your videos. I’ve only been watching for about a month. But please keep up your great work. And begin your preparations for the next one!
At last, all the questions I have had are being answered! Now I shall create the ultimate army of flesh atronochs and conquer Skyrim!
This was absolutely spectactular, so so so much detail, love the passion for the elder scrolls universe!
Couldn’t flesh magic have medical use? Say a heart transplant or giving an amputee a new hand or something?
The FBI would like to know your location
well yes but no, probably wouldn't work on a living target then at that stage what's the point
I suppose it’s possible
Imagine it is TES6, you find a guy that went through a chirurgical process with some shady dude who said that he could return him his lost hand. However, the hand was infused with a daedra's essence, so it has a will of its own and wont respond to the reciever. The man, desperate, asks for your help and pleads for you to find the guy and "deal" with him. Upon finding him you discover that he is a redguard sorcerer trying to master applied flesh magic to help people in need but he couldn't do that back in Hammerfell because of all the negavite bias. So you are met with the choice of killing the sorcerer or killing the "failed experiment", the latter option providing the redguard with more fleshy bits to help in his research.
@@bigode9743 send this to Bethesda lol
Flesh magic is just Sheogorath's twisted version of necromancy
Relmyna Verenim invented flesh magic, Shegorath has nothing to do with it. He did not even know there were 5 elements of magic lol.
13:31 Damn, Sheo, You didn't have to burn your successor _THAT_ badly...
Take a shot everytime someone says "flesh"
Soon you would be drunker than Sanguine on a Friday night!
Dude Skyrim ha so much lore and it’s great this Channel tries to cover as much as possible
The Elder Scrolls* Skyrim is just one game and one piece of the entire cake
Donovan Anglin I was talking about Skyrim at first then meant all of the lore
I feel like every time a child of five is mentioned, it's a subtle nod to Peter Anspach's iconic Evil Overlord list.
Wish your newer videos had scenes with words in them to,This is was always one of my favorites.
Bear in mind a couple of things: 1 - the symbol shown in the ritual is a conjuration symbol, and necromancy is considered a branch of the conjuration school. 2 - in books on the practice and morality of necromancy, it is mentioned multiple times that working with souls in general is considered necromantic in nature; soul gems are used in enchanting but do tap into the Soul Cairn, condemning trapped souls therein and drawing upon the inherent properties of the Soul Cairn itself. The Soul Cairn is a realm of Oblivion and of course, the daedra are denizens thereof. Darkest Darkness, The Book of Daedra, Aedra and Daedra, and other books in Skyrim discuss them in great detail, along with books on Oblivion and its realms as a whole. 3 - while summoning daedra is not necromantic in and of itself, it is done via conjuration rituals that summon entities from Oblivion; in fact, the master-level conjuration spell quest in Skyrim specifically has you summoning a dremora multiple times in order to weaken its resolve so as to "barter" for a sigil stone. And some of those books I mentioned, particularly Darkest Darkness (and Varieties of Daedra, iirc), specifically refer to daedra that are bound temporarily to Nirn vs daedra that are bound in a more permanent fashion.
So flesh magic is absolutely a branch of conjuration magic, just as necromancy is, but I personally wouldn't classify them as the same thing due to the differences in purpose. They may cross over, just as alteration/illusion do, because you're using dead flesh; but I think really, you're utilizing necromancy as well as more generalized conjuration rituals and possibly inscriptions, in order to complete a unique process. I therefore don't think flesh magic is necessarily a school in and of itself, but you could perhaps consider it a kind of pseudoschool relying on a particular school and a branch thereof. I wouldn't necessarily go that far myself, preferring the idea that it's a branch of conjuration rather than even a pseudoschool, but that really enters into the realm of perspective.
The armor looks to me like it's meant to bind something in. The face mask looks like a muzzle, and in general there's a lot of... visual similarities to some adult things.
Anyways, my theory is that the armor is enchanted to be controlled by the conjurer as well as to shackle souls, and is intended to both contain the soul of the daedra, and in an emergency, control the body of the flesh atronach if the daedra attempts to seize control.
Alternatively: The designers where inspired by silent hill's mosnters and just wanted to make something striking and creepy looking.
Shades of Voldemort...! Relmyna's incantation reminded me of Tom Riddle's formula for raising himself back to bodily life in _Goblet of Fire._ Creepy. Makes me even gladder I skipped out on playing Shivering Isles when I was doing _ES: Oblivion._
"But instead of being the soul of a mortal, flesh magic uses the soul of a Daedra."
Me, who just watched the Nirn is Lorkhan's Realm video: isn't that the same thing? Tamriel ae Daedroth
Its so fun to watch mortals try to understand its like a puppy that found an axe HAHAHA
I wonder if flesh sculpting could be used to make one the epitome of strength and vitality, as breaking down one's muscles and bones and making them bigger, stronger, and in some ways reinforced sounds like a viable avenue of research
I'm glad you guys decided to shine a flesh-light on this topic
Oh god...He doesnt know...
Theory on what void essence is: It is exactly what it sounds like, the essence of the void, and this is how it manages to trap the daedra's animus. It doesn't just trap the "soul" of a random daedra, but one that has been recently killed and is on its way to the void, specifically. It's just daedra necromancy...daecromancy? The void essence essentially creates little pockets of void inside of oblivion, drawing the animus of a recently killed daedra toward it as it seeks the void, from where it will be reborn. Only, instead of entering the void and re-emerging in oblivion, they get trapped in a little void pocket in the shivering isles, destined to remain suspended in their own private mini-void for as long as the atronach continues to exist. Given that even the Dremora admit that they fear the void, this must be a very unpleasant existence indeed.
Or.... daedrology? Lol
*On the subject of Flesh Atronach armor*
They're like Zombie Lord Humongous.
Ya know, I’m curious if Abnor Tharn’s quote is also a reference to the in universe book Chimervodium... or however it’s spelled, where it’s mentioned that a dwemer child of eight can build a automaton.
I usually thought flesh magic was more of alteration than conjuration.
I thought of this without much looking into it as your altering select pieces of to create a new thing altogether which is a very basic premise to alteration whereas conjuration was to conjure out of nothing or bend to your will which I thought didn't really align to flesh magic.
Nonetheless I love your vid and in depth analysis.
Magic schools are constructions of magic users, they're not inherent within magical itself
I love when you guys make longer videos. I can just have the videos play while I'm doing other stuff
I listen to this at work on spotify. I love the conjecture and love discussion so much. Keep doing what you love guys!
The summoning deal is equally dubious when considering the summoning of bears, zombies, and other such things in Oblivion.
After seeing the new video about the possible daedric origin of Argonians... Void salts have a perfectly understandable explanation!
Admire my work? All this time you thought Picasso and Salvador Dali had great and twisted works of art.
I noticed this sort of odd thing.
Flame Atronochs - Fire Salts - A body made of fire and coal
Frost Atronochs - Frost Salts - A body made a ice
Storm Atronachs - Void Salts? - A body made of... Rocks?
Maybe Void salts are a sort of way of containing power in a non living form
Void salts allow one to channel the power of shock into rocks or other non-living material to give it body to use
Perhaps void essence is a sort of refined void salt or distilled in some way. and this refinement process allows it to use not just a non-living material as form but perhaps once-living material instead. Still no soul in the way but the flesh was once alive.
This was awesome. As someone who has enjoyed the Shivering Isles and is currently playing Elder Scrolls Online, I have to admit that I would take a flesh Atronach over my necromancer's flesh Colossus any day simply because the former fought like zombified Street Fighter character.
Last week I finished the Shivering Isles DLC and was saddened to not see a Relmyna video already here. I'd love it if you could fit one into your schedule.
14:52
*skyrim battle music*
*gets anxious and looks around*
You mentioned on the knowledge of other elves, but you didn't speak on the Dunmer of Morrowind. With the Undead that are summoned or created to protect their tombs. I speak of the Bonelords, Bonewolves, Bonewalkers and Greater Bonewalkers (which can be mistaken for a Flesh Golems).
Fantastic video, I didn't even realise it was 30 minutes long until it was over lol
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
A vid about necromancer elf lady would be cool.
Okay...I've been watching Wilburgur's Oblivion playthrough a lot recently (if you haven't watched it, you should) and his chaotic approach to this game doesn't really lend itself to how epic some of the things in ES4 actually are, and I feel like Will would acknowledge that. It's no secret that Oblivion is a fucking meme-fest. His interactions with Relmyna and the Gate Keeper/Flesh Atronach are so fucking good and hilarious. But this....goddamn, this adds so much gravity to what she actually did.
I love videos covering more obscure magic types, so you should definitely make more in the future.
Just do it ... do that video on mad fleshmancer from Shivering Isles! :D
16:25 "quintessence of flesh"
lmao. Quintessence roughly translates to "fifth element".
I know that the word has a different meaning now but when you know where it comes from, her calling "the sixth element" the fifth is pretty funny.
A video with Relmyna Verenim would be very interesting, she is in the top 5 of the most influential and powerful mages/sorceresses the last few hundred years in tamriel and the oblivion realms.
I think that Skyrim hints a mentioning of flesh atronachs in the Windhelm quest “Blood on the Ice”, where you must investigate the city of Windhelm, its citizens, and a few key locations to determine who’s the butcher.
After watching this an idea for an elder scrolls game:
Opens with the main character caught in the middle of a calamity/ayleid invasion through time about to destroy the city/country. The sigic order (sorry for the spelling) shows up and uses several elder scrolls in tandem with the eye of Magus in an attempt to fight back. In the resulting action a rift of sorts opens, swallowing the main character and several NPCs along with chunks of the city and fling them through time into the age of ayleid rule. Shortly after waking and interacting with the others unlucky enough to accompany you through the rift , a group ayleids arrive to investigate the disturbance and capture your character with the few others who survive. Witnessing horrors of flesh art the character is made a slave and escapes during some sort of attack by a guerilla group opposing the ayleids. Let your imagination run wild from here with definite hellraiser vibes and very active deadra. Main story revolves around eventually becoming the leader of the resistance and getting back to the future (lol) equiped in a way to stop the invasion and the subsequent use of the eye and scrolls which unravelled time itself. An interesting mechanic in the game could be random rifts that open throughout the game, that drop baddies from every conceivable age, including future ages (remember the time traveler in Skyrim?). I can't put what I'm seeing into words that does justice to the insane possibilities and potential this has.
About Galathiel, she can call you out for being a vampire and states that she refuses to work with those that are undead until you cure yourself.
Void essence is Lokhan magic. Lokhan is comes from Sithis. So the essence of Life is the same as the essence of Void. This is why Flesh Magic grants life. It isn't a bound Daedra, it is a new life entirely. Hence why the Gatekeeper was referred to Relmynas Child.
G*ve us f'lesh
Some people might consider binding the souls of daedra to corpses less evil than binding a mortal soul to a corpse.
Void essence is likely just a more refined version of void salts . In our world essence's are made by super concentrating natural flavors using heat and alcohol . A tea spoon of Cherry essence is enough to flavor hundreds of gallons of otherwise tasteless juice .
I'm imagining these in the dungeons of ES VI and goddamn do I want it badly
Seeing as alteration has such a small amount of spells and conjuration has too damn many, I'd argue that it should probably be considered the former.
Neat explanation! Thanks for uploading!
I reckon Void Essence is gained from a very far out Realm of Oblivion that likely teeters on the edge of the Void. Or is harvested from something rare like a Shade of Sithis or some ritual to make connection with the Void and the essence of Sithis.
A theory I like to propose.
As it turns out if we look at the Hagravens in the Reach? The very Foresworn turned into Briarhearts seem to hint that the art is far more ancient than presumed.
As far as Sheogorath's interest...
There is a story that goes where Sheogorath challenged Hircine to create the most fearsome beast to be his champion. It is said that he did so and brought it to Sheogorath. From here, Sheogorath brought a bird where it flew, pecked, and taunts the beast. In the end causing the beast to bite, sting, and maim itself in the process while trying to kill the bird. Causing Hircine grave humiliation and leading to the origins of lycanprothy.
We know that the Daedra corrupt, not create unlike that of the Aedra. In irony the flesh is mangled, bound, and corrupted by a daedric soul, while other flesh creations are mangled, sewn, and summoned.
So the curiosity is that Flesh Magic is simply a mockery of creation. Corruption of that which was created, an abomination to the Aetherial ideals of the Aedra.
Another irony I have found is Mantling. The will where one takes on the role of another to become that which was bound to the other. The Hero. becoming Sheogorath, Trinimak becoming Malacath through Boiethia's corruption or consumption. Depending on your interpretation. So in the end Flesh Magic is not only a corruption but mantling of parts to soul or essence giving form to the corrupter's will. 😋😋😱😱😈😈
My theory is that she pulled energy from the soul carin to fuel the golems.I figured she made a bargain with the ideal masters to imbue them with the power of unused souls.( If were writting it 'Id say she used damaged souls that couldn't be used for other reasons).
I'm assuming the pieces of armor on the Flesh Atronach's and Gatekeeper are enchanted, they don't serve much in the way of physical protection, but magic enhancements.
Void Essence is likely a byproduct that exists in the body of the Atronach, much like the various salts do for other Atronachs, created by the body over time while its "alive".
Now that you mentioned it, I definitely want a relmyna video
I imagine the Alyid flesh sculptures are like the Tzmisce vampires' magics
Is it me or is this channel ultra active the last few mnths? Much happiness
I wonder if flesh magic could be extended to use by other schools. Restoration spells that function by knitting torn flesh back together, or illusion spells that cause blindness through scabs over a victim's eyes. I imagine destruction spells would function like traditional blood magic, sacrificing life essence from one entity to form projectiles to be hurled at another. Alteration flesh spells may be longer-lasting than typical mage armour spells, but be less effective or carry drawbacks.
I can't think of how flesh magic could be extended to mysticism, but it's been disappointingly abolished as a school anyway.
To be honest it made the most sense to me, almost like making a homunculus.
13:20 Sheogorath... is Jackscepticeye?
That explains *so much.*
More obscure magic types, or just magic videos in general, any magic lore is interesting to me.
Thank guys , helps with boredom at work. Love the lore of the videos
Hey guys! I love your all your content and I never miss an episode, keep it up!
I was wondering if you guys could try and answer the question of what happens to white souls when they are soul trapped? We see 2 animals in the soul cairn in dawnguard but they seem to be an exception and both were accompanied by their masters. Is there a separate soul cairn for white souls? Are those souls lost when used? I’m so curious and I haven’t seen anyone talk about this.
Thanks for the explanation Fleshmuppet
Ah.. that Oblivion voice acting. You can hear her squinting her eyes and shaking her head in disgust at the lines she’s reading
One thing I hated about the Saints and Seducers Creation Club content is that they added Corrupted Spriggans, but not Flesh Atronachs. I mean if you did a little working around with the textures on a Draugr and give it some boosts and new sound effects I think it would have been easy. I mean they added Zombies which look fantastic.
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You didn't mention the bonewalkers and bonelords of Morrowind. I love your Morrowind lore videos. Could you do one about those?
In the shivering iseles, while the flesh is stitched together you also have to remember you gather the components of flesh, it isn't the flesh of a previous being that died it is pure essence of flesh, what makes it dif from necromancy is its a new birth a new creature all together with true life to it and the soul of a daedra to make it immortal, its like a sloppy version of the creation of the mortal races, the result is a lot less pretty but it is truly alive.
Its unclear how summoning a flesh atronach works but based on other atronachs it may be that they lack a definite form in their realm its just a place of continuous flesh filled with daedric souls, so to summon one you have to learn to not just summon it but bind it to a certain form, this is likely more complicated to do in lore than it is shown in game as happens often with magic in the elder scrolls.
As for the Alyieds and the face sculptor thats prob more along the lines of simply being alteration, or not so simply, but for instance if the whaling wheels means mutating a human into a wheel like shape while they remain alive thats about learning to reassemble existing flesh not creating new flesh new life, its surgery not creation, advanced to but something else, and i agree that manimarcos flesh magic isn't true flesh magic its just forming advanced zombies as hed prefer anyway being a necromancer and all.
Flesh magic? Performed with lotions and tissues? I may be an expert on this subject!
Dragonborn: reverse loots a filled black gem in a pile of gore
*Gore rises in pain*
Dragonborn: :o
This should be the next Creation Club release, I mean we got an Oblivion love letter.
I am fairly confident the alchemy aspects of it are things like mercury, magnesium, pure sodium that's my 2 cents