Well well well. Finally someone who knows what he's doing. I followed your video to the letter. Jumped from 25fps to 41fps. No more stutters. My rig consists of i7 4790, 16gb Ram, RTX Quatro 4000 8GB Graphics running 3440 x 1440 at 144 Hz. If you ever come to Western Australia I'll buy you a beer or two. Thanks Mate. You have a new sub.
Hey thanks so much I'm happy this helped you .. thanks for the sub . My wife and I have always wanted to visit Australia maybe 1 day lol thankS again .
Changed the game for me completely. 50+ fps in the Fenix Block 2, PMDG 737, and FSW Lear, in complex high resource areas like LAX, Vegas, NYC. Thank you.
I just posted this on Overkill's site to thank him for promoting this video. This worked great (and unfortunately the two words that follows are the most hated in FS circles...) "for me". I used to fly around Los Angeles, but somewhere around SU8, I started getting severe jitters, and my FPS sometimes dropped to 10-15 when at an airport. I gave up and started flying out of Seattle, which is still a bit jittery but not as bad. I followed your advice and got a jump to the low 40's at Burbank, which is where I had really bad performance before. As others have mentioned, it could simply be the deinstallation of GEForce Experience and/or the clean install that did it more than anything else, but wow... this allowed me to increase my OLOD and TLOD also where I had to reduce them because of the jittering. You sir, are a steely-eyed missile man!
I had 10 x nVidia containers, however, I couldn't see that any of them were using grahics resources in task manager. I uninstalled GEFORCE Experience and I only had 2 x nVidia containers but I didn't get any improvement in FPS flying in Cessna 152 from City Airport London. I am running i7 and RTX 2070S non-VR 2560x1440 with all FS2020 settings maxed out. I will try the full set of steps sometime to see what happens.
😄Thank YOU! I watched the entire video and carefully took notes and screenshots. I can say that I certainly appreciated it, but I have to laugh because it wasn't until the end of the video, when you mentioned that the Nvidia Icon in the system tray will "No longer show the GeForce Experience", that I realized my Nvidia icon doesn't show the GeForce tattoo! I then remembered that I never installed any of those options! I suspected them to be bloatware back then and decided not to enable any of them. Therefore, I already had the GeForce Exp 'out of the picture', but I haven't tried FS 2020 since I've installed it (just recently) because I wanted to get all my 'ducks in a row' first. I've been a long-time FSX Flight-simmer for about 9+ years and was aware of what all those little 'free options' could do to a system, (even to the ones that I custom-build). Still, there were some steps that you showed in the video regarding selections made before installing the driver (like, "Enable DLSS Indicator" or "Show Expert Tweaks", etc.), that I'm sure I never selected when I installed my 3080Ti. So, I plan to try going w/o using this procedure and if I experience any issues that you said your video addresses, I'll just go on and do it! I know that it wasn't a waste of my time to take all those notes and screenshots because I may need the notes anyway. If not, well, I learned something and that's a "plus". Thanks again, Rich
Wow, thanks very much for taking the time to put this tutorial together. You're right, a complete game changer and definitely the best tweaks I've ever made for MSFS.
thank you so much ! i have also done an update video on this as some of the settings have changed if your interested ruclips.net/video/YNGXHgehkeA/видео.html
Overkill simulations recommended your channel about a performance boost, and I can't believe it actually worked. On my rtx 2060 + i5 10300h 16gb ram, I used to get 15-30 fps with a mix of high, ultra, and medium settings; currently, nearly all settings are in ultra, and I get a stable 30 fps (on laptop). Thank you for this tip.
@@2020fsers Just wanted to warn other laptop users like me that might experience what I had, high battery drain. This method worked to bring smoother and higher fps but I recently noticed when I unplug my laptop to use on battery, it was quickly draining. From 7 hours of battery use to less than an hour. I did a clean install with the latest driver but the issue still persisted. So I did DDU again and then clean installed just using the normal Nvidia method and installed GeForce experience and now my laptop battery is back to normal, lasting 7 hours. I would recommend this only to people who don't use their laptop battery and desktop users. Had to sacrifice the fps gains and smoothness for my battery. 🥲
Thanks for this info I do have a work around if you want to try it. Run the ddu again and then run the original driver from nvidia run the setup select custom install then make sure to not select GeForce experience. This application is not 2hat caused your battery draw it is other parts of the driver that we don't install using the nvclean so this way should work for you .
The best tutorials I've seen on the subject. A week ago I bought a 3080ti and was disappointed to find that it only managed to get 15fps in New York. I have followed your recommendations and the improvement is impressive: 34fps and I have some settings higher than yours. And I still have to make the OpenXR settings. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
I came here from @OverkillSimulations channel. Great content and I will certainly be using your tips here later when I am able to flight sim. Thanks much for the effort you put forth in this video and the time you took to do the work for everyone! Cheers!
@@2020fsers So I went through both of your videos and I feel that I should've stopped after this one and checked the fps before adjusting my gpu settings (your other tutorial). That said, I'm going to have to go back and reset my settings as I'm getting 60+ fps while flying in the Alaskan bush but that said, the natural beauty is now very cartoon-ish and awful. Then while flying at JFK it dropped way down to the high teens and was pixelated in areas. So I'll have to take some time and go back through the settings in both the sim and gpu. I'm using a lowly Nvidia 1070, btw. Thanks again for these great tutorials, I'll let you know more after making adjustments.
@@2020fsers actually, it was nothing. My dumbass forgot to reset the monitor settings on my gpu after reinstalling the nvidia drivers. HA! Everything looks great now. Not seeing too much increase in fps but I did also sharpen the terrain and objects a bit within the game so I'm sure that's it. All looks great now also with the coloring. Its not as washed out looking as it was before and is a bit bluer now. Thanks so much for these tutorials. The next one will be organizing my addons. Thanks again for the work and effort you've put in here.
Thank You, Amazing!!. On my RTX3080 with Reverb V2 ULTRA/HIGH setting FPS increased from 23 to 34! When you in the Netherlands I own you a couple of beers!
Wow, this really has made the 30-40% performance increase (I've also followed your other videos for OpenXR and other VR settings). Flying a helicopter I'm now able to fps of 35-40 with quite high quality settings. But what was even more of a surprise, was that with low quality settings I could use VR with fly-by-wire A32NX getting fps of 30-35 (sometimes higher). I'm using an RTX3060Ti and Quest 2 from Oculus One small problem is that I've noticed that the upper left segment of the left eye is blurry sometimes ... like looking though a glass bottle. What might be causing this (it's strange to me that it's one segment of one eye)?
Thanks for the comment happy this helped. You may need to mess with the ffr in the openxr toolkit . You can turn ffr off and see if the blurriness has gone away if so then you just need to tweak those numbers probably the vertical and horizontal offset.
Decided to leave FFR off completely. May come back to it later. Still amazed that I am getting 35-40 fps with VR in the A32NX (after thinking that the NVIDIA GPU and Oculus Quest 2 would not cope and had been a wasted investment). Really recommend your guides to anyone struggling with VR (and with a NVIDIA GPU). Thanks again
This was Perfect, along with your previous video. I am working with an ASUS Prime Z690-P mobo, i9-12900K, Gigabyte RTX 3090, and 128GB DDR6 ram, and this helped tremendously!!!!! with my system i couldnt figure why MSFS wasnt all i expected.... turns out its all in the details aka settings. i am in love with my Reverb G2 AGAIN.
Watched both your videos on this and can report MAJOR jump in smoothness and about 5-10 fps generally so far. Back on FSX with Win7 I was very much a clean safe mode driver install guy every time so nice to start that again now with Win11, def makes a huge difference cutting all the "GF experience" bloat out. Thanks
I want to thank you for your work on this. Worked great. I have added between 5-10 FPS in VR which has enabled me to add to the render scale and thereby the quality. I am on a 3090 and a i9-10900k. I have noticed it has done a good job reducing anti-aliasing/shimmering in the mid range, which kind of broke some of the immersion. Still there but its better. So thank you again for all your effort here ;-)
Want to greatly thank you. Between this video and your bar video I have boosted my FPS from 35-45 to 65-90 In MSFS2020 VR. Max resolution oculus quest 2, rtx 4080, i7 11700k.
I was getting micro stutters, especially on short final which would cause hard landings. Something that shouldn't happen being that I run a RTX 2070 Super and AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6-Core processor. After following this tutorial, i flew over NYC from JFK Intl without ANY framerate drops or stutters! With every graphics setting cranked to the max except shadows set to 1024. For whatever reason shadows seem to hit this game regardless the PC horsepower. I simply cannot believe Nvidia bloatware caused all the problems I was having. Shame on them!
There have been many videos claiming to improve MSFS and VR performance, so I was sceptical when watching this video., however(!), following the steps in this video really improved the VR experience. I am amazed at the improved FPS and visual quality the *hack* NVidia driver and the OpenXR toolkit gave. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for the Nvidia Performance Hack. Really didn't increase my framerate that much in MSFS but your previous video regarding the adjustment of the Nvidia Control Panel did make a big difference. Increased my framerate by 40%. Getting back to the performance hack; it did unexpectedly fix an issue I was experiencing with Adobe Photoshop for the past three months. Photoshop stopped working because it did not recognize OpenCL. After extensive troubleshooting with the help of both Adobe and Nvidia customer service yielded zero results. I was about to give up when I saw your video in regard to the Nvidia Performance Hack. After running the processes outlined in your video, I decided to try ONE LAST TIME to try and run Photoshop. Voila, Photoshop opened without error and the OpenCL file box was checked. I can now use photoshop thanks to you, my friend. Keep up the good work regarding MSFS. Your performance instructions are a true boon to all Flight Simmers.
Judging by the comments this tip actually works so I'll have to give it a try. What I find nearly unbelievable is that a graphics card company would add sfuff that diminishes the user experience - and so dramatically too! Incredible! And as someone else already said, shame on them.
I type in ms config, open system settings, click boot and tick the box to boot in safe mode, loads quicker than your route, once in safe mode before doing anything else I go back to the same system settings and un tick boot in safe, then run DDU. I've recently got a reverb G2, so I'm definitely going to try this, thanks for taking the time to show how to do it.
I have a very similar system to the one featured in the video with a Reverb G2 - I have rear projection on in XR tools - the VR framerate in the latest landing challenge went from 30 to 46 after I followed this tutorial - highly recommended!
Hands shaking in anticipation when I get home. Must get better frames in msfs and DCS. It is amazing how wasteful these people are towards their own hardware and drivers. I remember when drivers were drivers only.
Thank you so much! before I did the stuff in this and your other video, I could only run msfs on vatsim with low settings and vsync set to 20 fps and if I tried to set it higher it would ctd when I ran vpilot, but now I've been able to play on ultra with it set to 60 fps and I'll get like 40-60 fps with no stuttering or ctd when using vpilot
Hey thanks a bunch ☺️ the main take away of the de bloat is the smoothness some people get an fps boost others don't. But hopefully it will be smoother flying for you .
Tip, if you haven't used the tool program. I've been testing reducing resolution. G2 is way over sampled. I reduced it to 80% with no loss of quality. Your brain may try to tell you it looks worse, our human nature greedy for eye candy, but you can pop back and forth out of VR and disable the tool. You'll see no real loss of quality. It's just things you were ignoring as normal stand out when you are looking for flaws.
I truly can't believe the improvement thanks to this tutorial. I'm not kidding when I say my jaw dropped when loaded the sim up. I must have at least doubled from where I was, and that's with increasing some settings. I am running an I5 4690k and a GTX 980, pretty old hardware, and yet I'm seeing fantastic performance. If you are on the fence about this method you should definitely try it!
Dude, thank you so much. I've had such great results using this method, combined with the OPENXR toolkit. Best VR performance so far. FYI, I had like 13 processes before and now I have just the same you have. It really was a game changer for me. Thanks again man. You rock.
i really appreciate the comment and i am so happy this is working for everyone. Its crazy when you see all the extra processes in the background from nvidia and the lag it causes ugh. don't need to worry bout that anymore lol happy flying !
Another appreciative "down under" follower here and a NZ beer or 2 waits if you ever get to visit :-). Your info helped me get my VR FPS from a totally unusable 2-3 to 19 after making changes per your recommendations. My system specs are: Windows 11 Home 64 MSI B560 B560M, Pro-E MS 7D-22 Intel U3-E1 - gaming mode selected (whatever that means) Intel Comet Lake Core I5 10400 CPU @ 2.9GHZ 32GB memory NVidia GEFORCE GTX 1660 Super GPU, 2047MB, drivers up to date 2 Samsung SSD 860 EVO HP Reverb G2 VR OpenXR per your recommended settings. Task Manager had 6 NVidia entries before Guru3d and NVClean, now shows 2 - I assume this is as expected. My CPU typically running at less than 50% and GPU up from 65-70% to 98-100% in VR. In your opinion, does 19 FPS sound about right for my specs or do you feel that my system should be capable of more and if so, I would appreciate any recommendations about where to look. Thanks very much Mike
Hey thanks for the comment and happy it helped you.. so are you running you ram on xmp mode in the bios? If not turn that on will make a big change. I also just did a windows optimization guide I know it's for windows 10 but the application at the end of the video is a good application to use for 10 and 11 that will also help. You can also use msi afterburner and overclock your gpu. I also have a video on that as well.
Hi Thank you for this tutorial and the time you have spent producing it. I have followed your suggestions and the sim looks pretty good. I now have an issue in that when I open another program, little nav map. Navigraph, discord etc my fps drops from 35/40 down to 15. I have not had this problem previously. I guess I need to roll back some of the settings in Nvidia, but which ones?
That's strange when it happens what does the fps tool say you are limited by. Removing GeForce from the driver should not cause this issue. What I would do is hit the restore button in the nvidia control panel and start by changing 1 thing at a time and see what you get. Thanks for the comment 😀
@@2020fsersHi, Not running VR and "limited by main thread" I restored the Nvidia settings and the issue is solved. I will go through the settings 1 at a time. The good news is I have a performance increase by following the DDU/NV clean install of about 10fps before even adjusting the Nvidia/Cfg file/Windows settings 👍I am running on a i5 with a 1080ti so my processor is always going to be limited I guess . Is it ok to adjust the Nvidia settings with the sim running?
Ok that is better news. No you cannot make changes while the sim is running and that's why this part could take you a while. But when you find out what caused the issue can you let me know so if someone else has the same issue I can advise them. Thanks again .
@@2020fsers Hi , so after applying the suggested Nvidia settings 1 at a time the problem occurs after setting the Background Application Max Frame rate to on and 30. This causes an immediate reduction in frame rate down to 15 when any other application is opened. Now off and all good
I guess I'm the only one who watch this video that saw absolutely zero improvement. I don't know if I did something wrong or it's just my system but unfortunately this did absolutely nothing for me. But thank you for taking the time to try to help us out very much appreciate it.
After watching both of your videos on increasing the graphics performance for MSFS, I have to say I was quite impressed with the FPS increase I would the game runs at least 20-25% better, it's like my GPU is on steroids now. I was quite skeptical at first thinking this was another video of someone selling snake oil, but I was clearly wrong. You have gained me as a subscriber now, that is for sure!
Great video detailed and very well explained. I guess when new drivers come out for nvidia you do the whole process again. And by the looks of it, it will help with most if not all games not just MSFS. Q) fairly new PC, and I've never installed Geforce Experience and just installed the drivers, I only have 2 containers in my task manager, do I need to go through all this process ? Will it actually benefit me much?
I do VR... but mostly xplane....but getting my ROG STRIX 3080ti tomorrow! Can’t wIt to try it out with your settings. I can’t stand not being in VR so I mostly fly xplane. Thanks for your efforts. I’ll be watching tomorrow night after new video cars is installed!!!!
Not really as my metrics will be different from yours as well as all the other settings that you may have different than mine and your system is most likely different than mine . The only thing you can go on is mine and all the others comments about the performance increase like i said in the video i didnt take a before video because i didnt think there would be a difference at all, suprise to me. So you could try it and benefit, probably pretty well or don't and continue using as you are your call.
11900k OC , 3060ti OC 32gb ram , 2k etc etc... I had 3 nvidia share , 1 web helper , 1 nvidia shadowplay helper , and 5 nvidia container lol i have to say i already had a pretty smooth experience with the sim but i saw your video and i wanted to try your stuff and i have to say you know your stuff buddy ! my sim run soooooooo smooth with the pmdg 737 wow thank you
I am completely amazed by this. I’ve been so frustrated by my vr speed and graphics. I’ve now got nearly wide open graphics with 45 fps. Thank you so very much.
Thank you for this information. I have the Nvida GeForce RTX-2070 GPU. While in the MSFS2020 window I get 25-35 FPS after following your instructions. I can live with that however every time I switch to another window (like supported MSFS2020 utilities, or the map, etc...the open flight simulator window goes to 15 FPS & stutters until I make it the active window. I didn't have this issue prior to the performance hack other than the lose of flight control inputs when the simulator is not the active window which is still the case. GeForce Game Ready Driver - Driver Version: 516.59 - Release Date: Tue Jun 28, 2022
RE: your question at the beginning: I had exactly TWO NVIDIA containers in Task Manager before, and also TWO after installing the de-bloated driver. I also had no performance improvement at all. I ALSO didn't have Geforce Experience installed to begin with. Could that be why I didn't see any improvement and why I only had 2 containers to begin with?
MSI motherboard? Make sure BIOS “fast boot” setting is off that way USB ports are checked on boot (fast boot skips the check) otherwise you won’t be able to select ‘4’ to get into safe mode. USB keyboard will not work.
If you use a 3rd party app to make your Graphic settings like Nvidia Inspector and you don't mind disabling your Nvidia Display Settings app, there is a much easier way to do this and it eliminates all the Nvidia Container sessions. All you need to do is run MSCONFIG and in the Services tab disable the "NVIDIA Display Containers" service. Reboot and you'll no longer have any NVIDIA Contain apps active which effectively disables all NVIDIA Apps except the driver, which you can modify with your 3rd party app (Like NVIDIA Inspector)
@@2020fsers I'm actually running a system below specs (8GB (6.9GB usable) and a GFX1050 2GB) so I'm not the best to tell difference in FPS (I typically get in low 20's on the ground at a major airport, and 30FPS (Locked) in the air. What I can tell you it is much smoother with no where near the stuttering I was getting. In fact it also greatly reduced stuttering in my Train Sim 2. On one of my routes There are some locations where I would typically get a long stutter (5-10 sec+) now barely a micro stutter if at all!
Thank you so much, i now have proper graphics like i see all the time on other peoples stuff, hahaha, 3060 amd ryzen 7 3800x, 32 g ram, HUGE increase in everything!!!!!
I must be the odd one out as this process had no impact on my frame rates at all, i9 10900, 4070 RTX 64gb Ram, Z490 mobo. Added new GPU at Christmas as I replaced an RTX 2080 super but this change has resulted in drastic FPS loss and stuttering to the point of killing the sim at low altitude. My RTX 2080 was delivering 30 fps from 3000 feet and below and up to 60 fps above 10000 feet. The RTX 4070 is struggling at 20 fps below 3000 feet and maxes out at 30 fps above 10000 and that's with the LOD at almost zero. Flying into purchased airports is a complete NO NO. I assume that when new drivers are available from Nvidia that we have to put them through the NVClean software every time?
wow that doesnt sound right . removing geforce should always be a benefit . it may not yeild fps gain everywhere but it should smooth things out. How was your performance with the 4070 before you did this? Also keep in mind that all the nvidia panel settings need to be redone after a driver update. but to me sounds like its a setting issue in the nvidia panel . A good way to test this is to simply run the setup file in the driver you downloaded from nvidia and install the full driver and see you results without changing any settings to compare apples to apples . if it works then what i would do is rerun the driver install from nvidia and select custom install and uncheck the geforece stuff and finish the install and see if that works better. i just cant see any scenario that using geforce exp will make the sim smoother .
@@2020fsers I have a theory that it may be caused by Bing Data. I am going to turn off live maps and see if the stuttering stops when using default mapping. If this stops the issue then I must be having trouble with either Virgin media or the Bing map delivery site?
@@2020fsers well, its not data so I am at a loss, Nvidia control panel is at the settings you suggest so I ran a GPU benchmark test and that was fine but its obviously not using MSFS when its testing. So I am at a loss as to why my frame rates are rubbish even with Terrain LOD and object detail LOD at almost zero?
The only other thing I could suggest as a last resort, and if it is not playable then I would try this . A complete uninstall and reinstall of the sim. Make sure to remove all of your mods from the community so they won't get deleted.
I don’t have MFS but have tried this with both automobilista 2 and assetto corsa competizione and amazingly I can run both in 4k with my Graphics card Nvidia GeForce Gtx 1080 Ti card where previously it just wouldn’t be playable. Thank you for this.
This use to be my favorite thing to do. Been running it for almost a year now. However as of 7/30/23 and Nvidia 536.67, I've been getting crashes on DCS World. Log file keeps poking back at Nvidia. So I'm going to go back to the old way with shadowplay for now. See if I can confirm its the drivers and not the simulator.
@@2020fsers I think I've narrowed it down to a broken patch from Eagle Dynamics. I think this method is fine. Or perhaps the drivers I am using are just unhappy with DCS multi thread. Got a reddit thread on hoggit. Others have issue with DCS at the moment.
I was running 4K already smooth as it was, i came upon your video after a recommendation and i must say...it's definitly made it smoother. I can bump up a few other settings with this too! Came in super handy, made my sim more eye candy
I've been using DDU for years. And it already gives you a safe reboot option and an option that disables windows to automatically update the video driver after the next reboot. So you don't have to worry about internet connection if you check those options when you start DDU All in all a great video The rest of what you described, I just intend to try. Thanks for the detailed explanations in both videos
Hey thanks for the comment I also saw those boxes to check but I don't like to rely completely on software so I do some things manually just to make sure all gets done I think I did check the no updates box but as a safe guard I still turn off internet . Thanks for the comment 😀 hope it helps you .
Wow...Thank You very much for this great Tip. I make it like You Show and it works perfect! On my (Not so fast Laptop with GTX 1650) and on my Desktop with RTX 3070 the Performance get about 10FPS better than bevor. (With latest NVidia driver). Thank You. 👍👍👍
I am running a 1080 with 7700k an 32 gig ram. I did half of what you said in one video, I went from bouncing between 12 and 26 fps to a solid 31. Thanks man I’m gonna keep going with these
Before I writing my comment, I went to see what others have said, and it sounds like I am only echoing the thoughts here. What a difference these steps made for me!! I think a party should be hosted in your honor for sharing these tips, and for anyone who gets nervous by this process, it was not nearly as painful as I expected it to be... and considering the outcome, it was MORE than worth it!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks for the video! It really helped a lot but I’m wondering how can I know when will the new drivers be available to be updated in the future? I use to check it at the Nvidia GeForce experience and install it from there.. can you help me with that? THANKS
Thanks for the comment . I usually watch RUclips and someone always posts a video when a new driver comes out .. I also set a bookmark for the nvidia driver page so I can check once a week .
@@2020fsers got it. just wondering what about if I would like to go back to the nvidia geforce? should I just download the new version of nvidia driver and install it normally? thx
I really want to thank you so much for this I have a 2080 graphics card and run VR mostly what a difference this has made I was running in the 35 FPS and now I'm in the high 48 to 50 FPS
Great video. I just completed the steps but haven't run msfs yet. I did run 3D mark timespy to see if there was a difference and my graphics score has dropped significantly. Do you know if this is normal after doing the tweak? I'm using a MSI 4090
It didn’t work for me. I have a 3060 and a i7 10th gen. Performance is worst for me. I still get 40fps like before, but a lot of stutters (much more than before). I followed the instructions to the letter (and video part 1 also)… maybe this works for higher end cards and processors? I am about to uninstall and install the driver normally…
Thanks for the comment . Let me know if when you install the full version back if the stutters go away. Those may be coming from settings in the nvidia control panel . If you turn on low latency to ultra maybe switch that back to off.
@@2020fsers I copied back my original config file (before all the changes). Low latency just on. Now I’m flying at 45~55fps smoothly… I didn’t revert the nvidia driver back to original… I will keep testing as it is now… I have to keep an eye on driver updates though… Thank you!!!
Ok good to know that's so weird because according to nvidia msfs is not set up to use the low latency mode which is why i used ultra gosh now I will need to do more testing thanks for the heads up
On further testing I'm getting about a 10 to 15% FPS increase (I'm continuing testing). I also watched the "BEST Graphics Settings For SIM 9 Update" video and performed the recommended NVIDIA & Sim Graphics Settings. Since I have an I7 processor I did try VSYNC setting off/on...did not seem to make a big difference, but this is the first time I've had anyone of the Graphics Performance videos suggest anything but VSYNC OFF. I've always found that TERRAIN LEVEL OF DETAIL seems to be the parameter that FPS is most sensitive to.
The DDU didn't worked in safe mode it, it didn't open the APP it give me error. So I didn't go further than that. 7:30. I have got the same graphic card as you have.
Yes you can also use this for 4090 cards but you do give up any GeForce experience stuff. As for reshade I'm not to sure. You can adjust some color settings in the nvidia control panel. That's about all I know. I have never used reshading.
Does not seem to work in Windows 11 - when i reboot into Safe Mode, then try and run the DDU .exe, it errors and says" the file cannot be accessed by the system". I can run the .exe in normal mode - anyone know why it wont run in Safe Mode? Thanks
Some users in the comments have and the same issue and they were able to fix that not sure what they did but you can browse the comments they have posted .
I have followed each suggestion in this video as well as those suggested in the description. They have been a literal gamechanger. I'm running intel i5 processor with a GTX 3060 gpu. My Nvidia had 11 bloatware items, including Gforce. I only used the Gforce overlay for fps monitoring, and Steam provides this option anyway. I have extreeeemly smooth play with Ultra settings now. I'm able to fly through busy landscapes using more complex aircraft. My framerate has gone from 30-40 to 40-55. Both my Steam and MSFS2020 are running from a secondary SSD through a one-lane PCIe adaptor. I've been using the Google Maps mod and it is fantastic. I look forward to upgrading to Google Maps Pro. The mapping is even better. I will be joining The 2020 fs'ers group as soon as I can load my paypal. I'm a semi-retired old guy and I can tell you this: The second childhood is so much more fun than the first. Way better toys.
Hey thanks for the comment .. lol I agree way better toys now and also we can afford them. Not like being a kid and begging mom to buy me something lol. I'm happy the video helped you 😊
@@2020fsers Brother, you said it. I usually only visit mom on Mothers Day, when I make the climb into the attic and give her and that old rocking chair a good dusting.
If I decide to install geforce experience for some reason, can I install it from nvidias website? Or do I need to do this whole process again but enable geforce experience in the NV clean install.
Great Job!, very THOROUGH and PROFESSIONAL. Wish I could find someone on here that can run through X-Plane 11 like you have with MSFS 2020. If you know of anyone, pass their sight my way. Thanks. Again, GREAT JOB
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir for the quick response. I subscribed to your channel even though I don't fly MSFS 2020. I bought it, and tried it, but was having so much trouble with it, I just finally uninstalled it. after watching some of your detailed videos, I might reinstall it and give it another try. Thanks Again
It really is great and I can help you with whatever you need . Also stop by the Facebook group their you can share pics and videos if you have issues . It's a great community of fellow simmers all willing to help out and no negativity . Unless a sim update lol just kidding 😂
I don't understand this. When I look at the task manager I only see 2 Nvidia containers even though i did the default Nvidia installation including GeForce experience. So, would I still benefit from going through all these steps and still end up with only 2 containers. Is it possible that the new Nvidia software behaves differently than when you posted this video? By the way, I love all your detailed videos, especially the ones about the Pimax setups. They were extremely helpful. Thanks
@@2020fsers Well, I did have Geforce installed for sure. I just did a normal reinstall without Geforce and all looks the same. Anyway, I think I have much bigger issue with my PC. With an I9 13900K and an RTX 4090, I can barely get 30 fps in KJFK in 2D. And yes, I have done most if not all your tweaks. I think complete reinstall of everything is required here. 😥
@@2020fsers I bit the bullet and reinstalled MSFS. Parked at the heliport in Manhattan, I now get 60fps in 2D and mid 40s in VR around New York with mostly high to ultra settings, so I can’t complain anymore 😁
Removing the Nvidia junk in my task manager helped so much holy crap. Thank you man so much!!! Do you have to “end task”those Nvidia junk everytime you launch your pc?
thanks for the comment .. you should only have 2 containers now in the task manager if you delete them they will come back they are needed. so after you do the debloat you dont need to worry about the task manager .
Sir, you Are a gentleman and a scholar in deed! My hat off to ya! Such a meticulous, detailed and easy to follow tutorial. Moreover, it truly yields results!! I said to myself upon venturing out on this journey with you: “I’m a bit skeptical but I trust this dude for some reasons!” I’m glad I did. My deepest appreciation, sir!!
After doing this, I now have a overlay at the bottom left of my game window. Its 2 lines saying DLSS Version...HDR 1280x720 -> 1920 x 1080...Autoexpousre..... How do I get rid of this overlay?
Was excited to try this however, after trying over and over again and compiling the driver; upon installation it just keeps crashing about 1/3'rd way in with no errors. Sometimes the dialogue says 'failed' and that's it... Guess im out of luck. Win10x64..
Ok try it this way run the ddu after you'd system reboots then run the driver you downloaded from nvidia select custom install and do not select GeForce for the install ... so this may not get you the full debloat of the driver but it gets you close it's better than nothing try that and see what happens
Hi hope you are doing well. currently when I open FPS window in msfs it flickers between Limited by Gpu and Limited by main thread and both of my components are utilizing at 100% . i'm planning to upgrade both as I'm not happy with the performance, but which one do you recommend to upgrade first to have less stutters at least, Cpu or Gpu? (having I3 9100F with a RX 5500 XT 4GB, getting mostly 40-ish in the air and average 20 to 25 in the busy airports, planning to buy a 4060ti with 7600x) Thank you and regards
Ok so when you get it to flicker ba k and forth it is setup perfect. You have a good balance between gpu and cpu . I would upgrade the cpu first if you are going to upgrade . But also know stuttering is now a thing in msfs after su14 so I wouldn't say upgrading Anything is going to reduce all your stutters.. I know people with the very best CP and GPU and still gets stutters.
@@2020fsers i just realized when fps gets low and stutters start in heavy scenery airports it switches to limited by gpu, I think because low vram of my gpu maybe? Would you say upgrading gpu for now is a better option?
@thesepehrsamadi when it says limited by gpu .. at the bottom of the fps tool it shows your gpu memory available and how much is used what does yours say when the fps drops like that?
@@2020fsers man I really appreciate for the answer, thanks very much for taking the time to help me out on this. Yeah I just loaded at Chicago Midway with payware scenery, and Vram is full and even the gpu bar becomes purple from red xD and fps goes down to 13 14. I have a massive vram issue I think ? Want to add that that I tested DX12 few days ago. And It almost solved every problem I've ever had like all the stutters were gone, and I was flying in Northwest Territories of Canada with default airport sceneries and had absolutely no stutters. when I came down to Vancouver with custom scenery and vram went full again fps went down to 14 15. Wanna say that DX12 works really good for me as long as scenery is not heavy.
@thesepehrsamadi your welcome ... Okay, there's a couple things you can do. The easiest thing to do is to turn down. Your texture resolution from ultra or high to medium. The second thing you can do in the nvidia control panel. Make sure that you're cuda set to driver default or prefer system fall back. I went over that in my Invidia control panel video.. But I have seen that on my system even if I put it to prefer system fallback or driver default. It doesn't fall back to system memory. So I have to turn down my texture resolution.
You can do Control + Shift + Escape to open the task manager directly without having to go to the blue menu.
great info thanks
well, you learn something new each day. ta
Or right click on the start button and click "Task Manager".
I always used ctrl/alt/del or did it change for windows 11?
@@Muckylittleme that goes to the blue menu, where you then have to click open task manager. Ctrl+shft+escape opens task manager right away
You are a hero!!!! Send Overkill Simulations a nod as he’s bringing his followers to you!!!
I know ,I commented on the post he made and really he did not have to do that but I really appreciate that he felt the need to do so. Great guy
Well well well. Finally someone who knows what he's doing. I followed your video to the letter. Jumped from 25fps to 41fps. No more stutters. My rig consists of i7 4790, 16gb Ram, RTX Quatro 4000 8GB Graphics running 3440 x 1440 at 144 Hz. If you ever come to Western Australia I'll buy you a beer or two. Thanks Mate. You have a new sub.
Hey thanks so much I'm happy this helped you .. thanks for the sub . My wife and I have always wanted to visit Australia maybe 1 day lol thankS again .
Changed the game for me completely. 50+ fps in the Fenix Block 2, PMDG 737, and FSW Lear, in complex high resource areas like LAX, Vegas, NYC. Thank you.
Your welcome thanks for the comment 👍
I just posted this on Overkill's site to thank him for promoting this video. This worked great (and unfortunately the two words that follows are the most hated in FS circles...) "for me". I used to fly around Los Angeles, but somewhere around SU8, I started getting severe jitters, and my FPS sometimes dropped to 10-15 when at an airport. I gave up and started flying out of Seattle, which is still a bit jittery but not as bad. I followed your advice and got a jump to the low 40's at Burbank, which is where I had really bad performance before. As others have mentioned, it could simply be the deinstallation of GEForce Experience and/or the clean install that did it more than anything else, but wow... this allowed me to increase my OLOD and TLOD also where I had to reduce them because of the jittering.
You sir, are a steely-eyed missile man!
Lol love the comment thanks very much and ps sorry for the late reply
I had 10 x nVidia containers, however, I couldn't see that any of them were using grahics resources in task manager. I uninstalled GEFORCE Experience and I only had 2 x nVidia containers but I didn't get any improvement in FPS flying in Cessna 152 from City Airport London. I am running i7 and RTX 2070S non-VR 2560x1440 with all FS2020 settings maxed out. I will try the full set of steps sometime to see what happens.
That's really strange. But it does affect everyone differently thanks for the comment
Mate thank you so much I went from 15-20 FPS at Heathrow now I get 40-50!!! Legend mate
great to hear thanks for posting!
😄Thank YOU! I watched the entire video and carefully took notes and screenshots. I can say that I certainly appreciated it, but I have to laugh because it wasn't until the end of the video, when you mentioned that the Nvidia Icon in the system tray will "No longer show the GeForce Experience", that I realized my Nvidia icon doesn't show the GeForce tattoo!
I then remembered that I never installed any of those options! I suspected them to be bloatware back then and decided not to enable any of them.
Therefore, I already had the GeForce Exp 'out of the picture', but I haven't tried FS 2020 since I've installed it (just recently) because I wanted to get all my 'ducks in a row' first. I've been a long-time FSX Flight-simmer for about 9+ years and was aware of what all those little 'free options' could do to a system, (even to the ones that I custom-build).
Still, there were some steps that you showed in the video regarding selections made before installing the driver (like, "Enable DLSS Indicator" or "Show Expert Tweaks", etc.), that I'm sure I never selected when I installed my 3080Ti. So, I plan to try going w/o using this procedure and if I experience any issues that you said your video addresses, I'll just go on and do it!
I know that it wasn't a waste of my time to take all those notes and screenshots because I may need the notes anyway. If not, well, I learned something and that's a "plus".
Thanks again,
Rich
Hey Rich thanks for the comment .. sorry it won't help to much because you were smart already to not install GeForce 😉
Wow, thanks very much for taking the time to put this tutorial together. You're right, a complete game changer and definitely the best tweaks I've ever made for MSFS.
Hey thanks for the comment I'm happy this helped you 😀
Just performed this task and it went without a hitch! Excellent tutorial my man!
thank you so much ! i have also done an update video on this as some of the settings have changed if your interested ruclips.net/video/YNGXHgehkeA/видео.html
Excellent. Thank you. Very clear to someone who's IT challenged.
Great thanks for the comment
Overkill simulations recommended your channel about a performance boost, and I can't believe it actually worked. On my rtx 2060 + i5 10300h 16gb ram, I used to get 15-30 fps with a mix of high, ultra, and medium settings; currently, nearly all settings are in ultra, and I get a stable 30 fps (on laptop). Thank you for this tip.
Very welcome glad it worked for you thanks for the comment 😀
@@2020fsers Just wanted to warn other laptop users like me that might experience what I had, high battery drain. This method worked to bring smoother and higher fps but I recently noticed when I unplug my laptop to use on battery, it was quickly draining. From 7 hours of battery use to less than an hour. I did a clean install with the latest driver but the issue still persisted. So I did DDU again and then clean installed just using the normal Nvidia method and installed GeForce experience and now my laptop battery is back to normal, lasting 7 hours. I would recommend this only to people who don't use their laptop battery and desktop users. Had to sacrifice the fps gains and smoothness for my battery. 🥲
Thanks for this info I do have a work around if you want to try it. Run the ddu again and then run the original driver from nvidia run the setup select custom install then make sure to not select GeForce experience. This application is not 2hat caused your battery draw it is other parts of the driver that we don't install using the nvclean so this way should work for you .
The best tutorials I've seen on the subject. A week ago I bought a 3080ti and was disappointed to find that it only managed to get 15fps in New York. I have followed your recommendations and the improvement is impressive: 34fps and I have some settings higher than yours. And I still have to make the OpenXR settings.
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
Very welcome . That's how we all get better by each of us spreading the knowledge around. Thanks again for the post
I came here from @OverkillSimulations channel. Great content and I will certainly be using your tips here later when I am able to flight sim. Thanks much for the effort you put forth in this video and the time you took to do the work for everyone! Cheers!
Thanks so.much for the comment 😀 let me know how it works for you
@@2020fsers So I went through both of your videos and I feel that I should've stopped after this one and checked the fps before adjusting my gpu settings (your other tutorial). That said, I'm going to have to go back and reset my settings as I'm getting 60+ fps while flying in the Alaskan bush but that said, the natural beauty is now very cartoon-ish and awful. Then while flying at JFK it dropped way down to the high teens and was pixelated in areas. So I'll have to take some time and go back through the settings in both the sim and gpu. I'm using a lowly Nvidia 1070, btw. Thanks again for these great tutorials, I'll let you know more after making adjustments.
Yes you don't want to make to many changes at 1 time this way you will know what is doing what .
@@2020fsers actually, it was nothing. My dumbass forgot to reset the monitor settings on my gpu after reinstalling the nvidia drivers. HA! Everything looks great now. Not seeing too much increase in fps but I did also sharpen the terrain and objects a bit within the game so I'm sure that's it. All looks great now also with the coloring. Its not as washed out looking as it was before and is a bit bluer now. Thanks so much for these tutorials. The next one will be organizing my addons. Thanks again for the work and effort you've put in here.
You very welcome and I am happy you got it figured out happy flying . 😊
Thank You, Amazing!!. On my RTX3080 with Reverb V2 ULTRA/HIGH setting FPS increased from 23 to 34! When you in the Netherlands I own you a couple of beers!
Hey thanks I really appreciate it 😊 im happy it helped you.
Wow, this really has made the 30-40% performance increase (I've also followed your other videos for OpenXR and other VR settings). Flying a helicopter I'm now able to fps of 35-40 with quite high quality settings. But what was even more of a surprise, was that with low quality settings I could use VR with fly-by-wire A32NX getting fps of 30-35 (sometimes higher). I'm using an RTX3060Ti and Quest 2 from Oculus
One small problem is that I've noticed that the upper left segment of the left eye is blurry sometimes ... like looking though a glass bottle. What might be causing this (it's strange to me that it's one segment of one eye)?
Thanks for the comment happy this helped. You may need to mess with the ffr in the openxr toolkit . You can turn ffr off and see if the blurriness has gone away if so then you just need to tweak those numbers probably the vertical and horizontal offset.
Decided to leave FFR off completely. May come back to it later. Still amazed that I am getting 35-40 fps with VR in the A32NX (after thinking that the NVIDIA GPU and Oculus Quest 2 would not cope and had been a wasted investment). Really recommend your guides to anyone struggling with VR (and with a NVIDIA GPU). Thanks again
@jonathantill6691 your welcome
This was Perfect, along with your previous video. I am working with an ASUS Prime Z690-P mobo, i9-12900K, Gigabyte RTX 3090, and 128GB DDR6 ram, and this helped tremendously!!!!! with my system i couldnt figure why MSFS wasnt all i expected.... turns out its all in the details aka settings. i am in love with my Reverb G2 AGAIN.
I'm happy these helped you thanks for the comment
Watched both your videos on this and can report MAJOR jump in smoothness and about 5-10 fps generally so far. Back on FSX with Win7 I was very much a clean safe mode driver install guy every time so nice to start that again now with Win11, def makes a huge difference cutting all the "GF experience" bloat out. Thanks
Great to hear thanks for posting your results 👍 glad this worked for you.
I am happy to confirm the same results!
what a game changer in VR, came here thanks to "Flight Simming Guy's World Travel in VR" tutorial, it blows my eyes!!! Thank you so much !!!
Your welcome thanks for the comment
Wow, I am so impressed with how much better my VR is in msfs! It made a huge difference on the smoothness of the flights. Thank you so much!!!
Very welcome 😀 glad it worked for you .
USB C driver will be if you want to output video over USB C (USB C to hdmi for example). Not needed on a PC, only laptop
Ok I knew pc didn't need it but i thought laptops do. Thanks for clarifying.
I want to thank you for your work on this. Worked great. I have added between 5-10 FPS in VR which has enabled me to add to the render scale and thereby the quality. I am on a 3090 and a i9-10900k. I have noticed it has done a good job reducing anti-aliasing/shimmering in the mid range, which kind of broke some of the immersion. Still there but its better. So thank you again for all your effort here ;-)
Very welcome thank you very much for the comment 😀 glad it worked for you
Bloody brilliant. Thank you so much. Might be a faff to do but certainly worth the end result. Thanks again.
Very welcome thanks for the comment .. I will be doing an update to this as some settings have changed in the programs . Glad it helped you .
I was in the 20-25FPS range and now I’m at 50+! Thanks for the great video!!
Awsome thanks for the comment glad it worked for you 👍 😀
Want to greatly thank you. Between this video and your bar video I have boosted my FPS from 35-45 to 65-90 In MSFS2020 VR. Max resolution oculus quest 2, rtx 4080, i7 11700k.
That's great .. thanks for the comment enjoy vr 😀
I was getting micro stutters, especially on short final which would cause hard landings. Something that shouldn't happen being that I run a RTX 2070 Super and AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6-Core processor.
After following this tutorial, i flew over NYC from JFK Intl without ANY framerate drops or stutters!
With every graphics setting cranked to the max except shadows set to 1024. For whatever reason shadows seem to hit this game regardless the PC horsepower.
I simply cannot believe Nvidia bloatware caused all the problems I was having. Shame on them!
fantastic glad this worked for you and thanks for posting
There have been many videos claiming to improve MSFS and VR performance, so I was sceptical when watching this video., however(!), following the steps in this video really improved the VR experience. I am amazed at the improved FPS and visual quality the *hack* NVidia driver and the OpenXR toolkit gave. Thank you for the video.
Awesome thanks for the comment 😀
Thanks very much for putting this tutorial together.
Your welcome thanks for the comment 👍
Thanks for the Nvidia Performance Hack. Really didn't increase my framerate that much in MSFS but your previous video regarding the adjustment of the Nvidia Control Panel did make a big difference. Increased my framerate by 40%. Getting back to the performance hack; it did unexpectedly fix an issue I was experiencing with Adobe Photoshop for the past three months. Photoshop stopped working because it did not recognize OpenCL. After extensive troubleshooting with the help of both Adobe and Nvidia customer service yielded zero results. I was about to give up when I saw your video in regard to the Nvidia Performance Hack. After running the processes outlined in your video, I decided to try ONE LAST TIME to try and run Photoshop. Voila, Photoshop opened without error and the OpenCL file box was checked. I can now use photoshop thanks to you, my friend. Keep up the good work regarding MSFS. Your performance instructions are a true boon to all Flight Simmers.
That's awesome to here that . Thanks for posting this.. now you can use photoshop !
Judging by the comments this tip actually works so I'll have to give it a try. What I find nearly unbelievable is that a graphics card company would add sfuff that diminishes the user experience - and so dramatically too! Incredible! And as someone else already said, shame on them.
Thanks for the comment please let me know how it goes for you . 😊
I type in ms config, open system settings, click boot and tick the box to boot in safe mode, loads quicker than your route, once in safe mode before doing anything else I go back to the same system settings and un tick boot in safe, then run DDU.
I've recently got a reverb G2, so I'm definitely going to try this, thanks for taking the time to show how to do it.
Hey thanks for the tip 😀 appreciate the comment
I have a very similar system to the one featured in the video with a Reverb G2 - I have rear projection on in XR tools - the VR framerate in the latest landing challenge went from 30 to 46 after I followed this tutorial - highly recommended!
Hey thank you for taking the time to post this . I'm happy this worked for you.
Sweet- can’t wait! Rog strix3080ti coming in the mourning!
Hands shaking in anticipation when I get home. Must get better frames in msfs and DCS.
It is amazing how wasteful these people are towards their own hardware and drivers. I remember when drivers were drivers only.
Great 👍 let me know how it goes . Thanks for the post
You know? Since I got my G2 last weekend, I havent ONCE looked at my FPS. I have no idea what it is.
Thank you for this! Felt the boost in performance immediately on all my games. :D
That's great thanks for the comment 👍
Thank you so much! before I did the stuff in this and your other video, I could only run msfs on vatsim with low settings and vsync set to 20 fps and if I tried to set it higher it would ctd when I ran vpilot, but now I've been able to play on ultra with it set to 60 fps and I'll get like 40-60 fps with no stuttering or ctd when using vpilot
Awesome thanks for the comment 😀 glad it helped you
What a Chad for sharing this stuff man. This is night and day difference on my system.
Thanks so much for the comment.. happy this worked for you
I have gained 15-25 frames in VR in DCS !!!!!! cheers mate!
Wow so happy this is making an improvement across other vr Sims I also heard the same for train Sims. Thanks for posting
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Welcome aboard thanks for the sub
Couldn't get any FPS boost, however, it does feel smoother. Also, good to learn about Nvclean, and the process, thank you, subscribed.
Hey thanks a bunch ☺️ the main take away of the de bloat is the smoothness some people get an fps boost others don't. But hopefully it will be smoother flying for you .
Tip, if you haven't used the tool program. I've been testing reducing resolution. G2 is way over sampled. I reduced it to 80% with no loss of quality.
Your brain may try to tell you it looks worse, our human nature greedy for eye candy, but you can pop back and forth out of VR and disable the tool. You'll see no real loss of quality. It's just things you were ignoring as normal stand out when you are looking for flaws.
I truly can't believe the improvement thanks to this tutorial. I'm not kidding when I say my jaw dropped when loaded the sim up. I must have at least doubled from where I was, and that's with increasing some settings. I am running an I5 4690k and a GTX 980, pretty old hardware, and yet I'm seeing fantastic performance. If you are on the fence about this method you should definitely try it!
Thanks so for the comment and posting your results.
Dude, thank you so much. I've had such great results using this method, combined with the OPENXR toolkit. Best VR performance so far. FYI, I had like 13 processes before and now I have just the same you have. It really was a game changer for me. Thanks again man. You rock.
i really appreciate the comment and i am so happy this is working for everyone. Its crazy when you see all the extra processes in the background from nvidia and the lag it causes ugh. don't need to worry bout that anymore lol happy flying !
Another appreciative "down under" follower here and a NZ beer or 2 waits if you ever get to visit :-). Your info helped me get my VR FPS from a totally unusable 2-3 to 19 after making changes per your recommendations.
My system specs are:
Windows 11 Home 64
MSI B560 B560M, Pro-E MS 7D-22 Intel U3-E1 - gaming mode selected (whatever that means)
Intel Comet Lake Core I5 10400 CPU @ 2.9GHZ
32GB memory
NVidia GEFORCE GTX 1660 Super GPU, 2047MB, drivers up to date
2 Samsung SSD 860 EVO
HP Reverb G2 VR
OpenXR per your recommended settings.
Task Manager had 6 NVidia entries before Guru3d and NVClean, now shows 2 - I assume this is as expected.
My CPU typically running at less than 50% and GPU up from 65-70% to 98-100% in VR.
In your opinion, does 19 FPS sound about right for my specs or do you feel that my system should be capable of more and if so, I would appreciate any recommendations about where to look.
Thanks very much
Mike
Hey thanks for the comment and happy it helped you.. so are you running you ram on xmp mode in the bios? If not turn that on will make a big change. I also just did a windows optimization guide I know it's for windows 10 but the application at the end of the video is a good application to use for 10 and 11 that will also help. You can also use msi afterburner and overclock your gpu. I also have a video on that as well.
Hi Thank you for this tutorial and the time you have spent producing it.
I have followed your suggestions and the sim looks pretty good. I now have an issue in that when I open another program, little nav map. Navigraph, discord etc my fps drops from 35/40 down to 15. I have not had this problem previously. I guess I need to roll back some of the settings in Nvidia, but which ones?
That's strange when it happens what does the fps tool say you are limited by. Removing GeForce from the driver should not cause this issue. What I would do is hit the restore button in the nvidia control panel and start by changing 1 thing at a time and see what you get. Thanks for the comment 😀
@@2020fsersHi, Not running VR and "limited by main thread" I restored the Nvidia settings and the issue is solved. I will go through the settings 1 at a time. The good news is I have a performance increase by following the DDU/NV clean install of about 10fps before even adjusting the Nvidia/Cfg file/Windows settings 👍I am running on a i5 with a 1080ti so my processor is always going to be limited I guess . Is it ok to adjust the Nvidia settings with the sim running?
Ok that is better news. No you cannot make changes while the sim is running and that's why this part could take you a while. But when you find out what caused the issue can you let me know so if someone else has the same issue I can advise them. Thanks again .
@@2020fsers Hi , so after applying the suggested Nvidia settings 1 at a time the problem occurs after setting the Background Application Max Frame rate to on and 30. This causes an immediate reduction in frame rate down to 15 when any other application is opened. Now off and all good
Great good news I never use that setting .
I guess I'm the only one who watch this video that saw absolutely zero improvement. I don't know if I did something wrong or it's just my system but unfortunately this did absolutely nothing for me. But thank you for taking the time to try to help us out very much appreciate it.
Thanks for the comment ... if you didn't have GeForce installed then this won't help much.
Can I put this video on community post on my channel and give you credits? Good one and I'll try it out later :)
Sure thing 👍 thanks for asking anything to help the community
After watching both of your videos on increasing the graphics performance for MSFS, I have to say I was quite impressed with the FPS increase I would the game runs at least 20-25% better, it's like my GPU is on steroids now. I was quite skeptical at first thinking this was another video of someone selling snake oil, but I was clearly wrong. You have gained me as a subscriber now, that is for sure!
I use snake oil in my hair 😆. Jk thanks very much for the comment glad it helped you.
Great video detailed and very well explained. I guess when new drivers come out for nvidia you do the whole process again. And by the looks of it, it will help with most if not all games not just MSFS.
Q) fairly new PC, and I've never installed Geforce Experience and just installed the drivers, I only have 2 containers in my task manager, do I need to go through all this process ? Will it actually benefit me much?
You will probably benefit from the ddu but not really if you only have the 2 containers. And yes you would do the process over on new updates
Thanks for the comment 😀
I do VR... but mostly xplane....but getting my ROG STRIX 3080ti tomorrow! Can’t wIt to try it out with your settings. I can’t stand not being in VR so I mostly fly xplane. Thanks for your efforts. I’ll be watching tomorrow night after new video cars is installed!!!!
Hey that's always a great day with a new gpu. Let me know how it goes thanks for posting
Well, you do know that MSFS 2020 supports VR?
Yea but VR IN MS is awful. Even with a 3080ti. I am smooth as silk on ultra settings
completely useless without metrics compared before and after...
Not really as my metrics will be different from yours as well as all the other settings that you may have different than mine and your system is most likely different than mine . The only thing you can go on is mine and all the others comments about the performance increase like i said in the video i didnt take a before video because i didnt think there would be a difference at all, suprise to me. So you could try it and benefit, probably pretty well or don't and continue using as you are your call.
@@2020fsers placebo effect is a very powerful thing.
11900k OC , 3060ti OC 32gb ram , 2k etc etc... I had 3 nvidia share , 1 web helper , 1 nvidia shadowplay helper , and 5 nvidia container lol i have to say i already had a pretty smooth experience with the sim but i saw your video and i wanted to try your stuff and i have to say you know your stuff buddy ! my sim run soooooooo smooth with the pmdg 737 wow thank you
Your very welcome my friend 😊 thanks for the comment 😀 I'm very happy this helped you .
Did you get rid of shadowplay? Used something instead? Or did you leave it unticked in the process
Awesome!!! Worked like a charm. Thanks so much for this!!!
Very welcome thanks for the comment 😀
Thanks !! This truly helped a lot for my streams! Appreciate the video and a very thorough explanation!
Your welcome thanks for your comment 😊
This worked like magic. Don't know how to thank you . Please keep up the good work
Thanks very much 😀 glad it worked for you
I knew the gf experience was a bloat, streamlined installation makes a big difference, thanks!
Your welcome thanks for the comment .
Sent over from ROADKILL..... lol good job man
Hey thanks 😊 great guy there .. glad you enjoyed the video .
I am completely amazed by this. I’ve been so frustrated by my vr speed and graphics. I’ve now got nearly wide open graphics with 45 fps. Thank you so very much.
Also, I’m running an asus motherboard, RTI 3080, 32 4DR and the I7, so I had no idea that this was even possible.
Awesome thanks for the comment
Doing this not only made my sim run wayyyy better but It also fixed my crash to desktop issue! Thanks!
Very welcome thanks for the post . Glad it helped you
Thank you for this information. I have the Nvida GeForce RTX-2070 GPU. While in the MSFS2020 window I get 25-35 FPS after following your instructions. I can live with that however every time I switch to another window (like supported MSFS2020 utilities, or the map, etc...the open flight simulator window goes to 15 FPS & stutters until I make it the active window. I didn't have this issue prior to the performance hack other than the lose of flight control inputs when the simulator is not the active window which is still the case. GeForce Game Ready Driver - Driver Version: 516.59 - Release Date: Tue Jun 28, 2022
Thanks for the comment make sure in your nvidia panel settings that the background app fps limit is set to off .
may i ask, when an updated driver gets released, at what point in this video do i need to begin? is it about 8:20?
Hello thanks for the question 🙂 so what i do is repeat the process... yes there are other ways but the ddu program is very important .
@@2020fsers cheers.
Awesome work. Added about 5fps in and around some of the detailed areas i fly in. Thanks so much.
Your welcome 🙏 thanks for the comment
RE: your question at the beginning: I had exactly TWO NVIDIA containers in Task Manager before, and also TWO after installing the de-bloated driver. I also had no performance improvement at all. I ALSO didn't have Geforce Experience installed to begin with. Could that be why I didn't see any improvement and why I only had 2 containers to begin with?
Yes most likely that is why I would also check out the graphics video that may also help you. Thanks for the comment
@@2020fsers I also followed your instructions in the video above, but still have the two containers in task manager.
Most likely due to.you have not had GeForce installed previously
Many thanks. This video and the previous one has been superb. Keep up the good work.
very welcome thank you for the comment
Bro you just made my day sooooo much better and for that you just earned a new sub! ❤❤❤
Awesome thanks for the sub 😀 gladnit helped you
MSI motherboard? Make sure BIOS “fast boot” setting is off that way USB ports are checked on boot (fast boot skips the check) otherwise you won’t be able to select ‘4’ to get into safe mode. USB keyboard will not work.
Thanks for the tip!
If you use a 3rd party app to make your Graphic settings like Nvidia Inspector and you don't mind disabling your Nvidia Display Settings app, there is a much easier way to do this and it eliminates all the Nvidia Container sessions. All you need to do is run MSCONFIG and in the Services tab disable the "NVIDIA Display Containers" service. Reboot and you'll no longer have any NVIDIA Contain apps active which effectively disables all NVIDIA Apps except the driver, which you can modify with your 3rd party app (Like NVIDIA Inspector)
thanks for the comment . That may be a test that someone will have to do and see if you get the same results , great experiment . thanks for the input
@@2020fsers I'm actually running a system below specs (8GB (6.9GB usable) and a GFX1050 2GB) so I'm not the best to tell difference in FPS (I typically get in low 20's on the ground at a major airport, and 30FPS (Locked) in the air. What I can tell you it is much smoother with no where near the stuttering I was getting. In fact it also greatly reduced stuttering in my Train Sim 2. On one of my routes There are some locations where I would typically get a long stutter (5-10 sec+) now barely a micro stutter if at all!
That's great . Thanks for posting
Thank you so much, i now have proper graphics like i see all the time on other peoples stuff, hahaha, 3060 amd ryzen 7 3800x, 32 g ram, HUGE increase in everything!!!!!
Great thanks for the comment
I must be the odd one out as this process had no impact on my frame rates at all, i9 10900, 4070 RTX 64gb Ram, Z490 mobo. Added new GPU at Christmas as I replaced an RTX 2080 super but this change has resulted in drastic FPS loss and stuttering to the point of killing the sim at low altitude. My RTX 2080 was delivering 30 fps from 3000 feet and below and up to 60 fps above 10000 feet. The RTX 4070 is struggling at 20 fps below 3000 feet and maxes out at 30 fps above 10000 and that's with the LOD at almost zero. Flying into purchased airports is a complete NO NO. I assume that when new drivers are available from Nvidia that we have to put them through the NVClean software every time?
wow that doesnt sound right . removing geforce should always be a benefit . it may not yeild fps gain everywhere but it should smooth things out. How was your performance with the 4070 before you did this? Also keep in mind that all the nvidia panel settings need to be redone after a driver update. but to me sounds like its a setting issue in the nvidia panel . A good way to test this is to simply run the setup file in the driver you downloaded from nvidia and install the full driver and see you results without changing any settings to compare apples to apples . if it works then what i would do is rerun the driver install from nvidia and select custom install and uncheck the geforece stuff and finish the install and see if that works better. i just cant see any scenario that using geforce exp will make the sim smoother .
@@2020fsers I have a theory that it may be caused by Bing Data. I am going to turn off live maps and see if the stuttering stops when using default mapping. If this stops the issue then I must be having trouble with either Virgin media or the Bing map delivery site?
That may cause stutters but I haven't seen it drop someone's fps like that. Please let me know what you find
@@2020fsers well, its not data so I am at a loss, Nvidia control panel is at the settings you suggest so I ran a GPU benchmark test and that was fine but its obviously not using MSFS when its testing. So I am at a loss as to why my frame rates are rubbish even with Terrain LOD and object detail LOD at almost zero?
The only other thing I could suggest as a last resort, and if it is not playable then I would try this . A complete uninstall and reinstall of the sim. Make sure to remove all of your mods from the community so they won't get deleted.
I don’t have MFS but have tried this with both automobilista 2 and assetto corsa competizione and amazingly I can run both in 4k with my
Graphics card Nvidia GeForce Gtx 1080 Ti card where previously it just wouldn’t be playable. Thank you for this.
Great to hear in had no idea it could be useful on other platforms. Thanks for posting.
I don't know why you'd check Optimus since the description mentions it's useless for desktop pc. Unless you use a laptop.
I wouldn't check Optimus like I said in the video it's for laptops not pc.
This use to be my favorite thing to do. Been running it for almost a year now. However as of 7/30/23 and Nvidia 536.67, I've been getting crashes on DCS World. Log file keeps poking back at Nvidia. So I'm going to go back to the old way with shadowplay for now. See if I can confirm its the drivers and not the simulator.
You can always try to install the old way and select custom install and unselect GeForce and install
@@2020fsers I think I've narrowed it down to a broken patch from Eagle Dynamics. I think this method is fine. Or perhaps the drivers I am using are just unhappy with DCS multi thread. Got a reddit thread on hoggit. Others have issue with DCS at the moment.
I was running 4K already smooth as it was, i came upon your video after a recommendation and i must say...it's definitly made it smoother. I can bump up a few other settings with this too! Came in super handy, made my sim more eye candy
Great that's fantastic thanks for the comment 😀
I've been using DDU for years. And it already gives you a safe reboot option and an option that disables windows to automatically update the video driver after the next reboot.
So you don't have to worry about internet connection if you check those options when you start DDU
All in all a great video
The rest of what you described, I just intend to try.
Thanks for the detailed explanations in both videos
Hey thanks for the comment I also saw those boxes to check but I don't like to rely completely on software so I do some things manually just to make sure all gets done I think I did check the no updates box but as a safe guard I still turn off internet . Thanks for the comment 😀 hope it helps you .
Wow...Thank You very much for this great Tip. I make it like You Show and it works perfect! On my (Not so fast Laptop with GTX 1650) and on my Desktop with RTX 3070 the Performance get about 10FPS better than bevor. (With latest NVidia driver). Thank You. 👍👍👍
Your welcome thanks for the comment 😀
I am running a 1080 with 7700k an 32 gig ram. I did half of what you said in one video, I went from bouncing between 12 and 26 fps to a solid 31. Thanks man I’m gonna keep going with these
Awesome 👌 thanks for posting this 😁
@@2020fsers happy to help. Btw I spent the entire night flying the FA18 in the new activities I am close to world top10 on th low fly missions
I've been trying to just rank in those challenges lol.
Before I writing my comment, I went to see what others have said, and it sounds like I am only echoing the thoughts here. What a difference these steps made for me!! I think a party should be hosted in your honor for sharing these tips, and for anyone who gets nervous by this process, it was not nearly as painful as I expected it to be... and considering the outcome, it was MORE than worth it!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm happy that this worked for you 👍 😀 thanks again
Gotta say after trying so many different things to get my performance up to no avail this is the only thing that's worked for me...fantastic!
Glad it helped you thanks for the comment 😀
Thanks for the video! It really helped a lot but I’m wondering how can I know when will the new drivers be available to be updated in the future? I use to check it at the Nvidia GeForce experience and install it from there.. can you help me with that? THANKS
Thanks for the comment . I usually watch RUclips and someone always posts a video when a new driver comes out .. I also set a bookmark for the nvidia driver page so I can check once a week .
@@2020fsers got it. just wondering what about if I would like to go back to the nvidia geforce? should I just download the new version of nvidia driver and install it normally? thx
Yes your correct .
I really want to thank you so much for this I have a 2080 graphics card and run VR mostly what a difference this has made I was running in the 35 FPS and now I'm in the high 48 to 50 FPS
That's such great news thanks for posting your results 👍 😀.
Great video. I just completed the steps but haven't run msfs yet. I did run 3D mark timespy to see if there was a difference and my graphics score has dropped significantly. Do you know if this is normal after doing the tweak? I'm using a MSI 4090
Hi my friend. It seem to not work anymore. When I'm at the last step it say that adress access is not there...
I allready had very good Performance on my gtx 1080 but this just made it even crayzer, thank you Brother :)
Your welcome 🙏 I'm so happy this has worked for so many . 😊 thanks for posting .
It didn’t work for me. I have a 3060 and a i7 10th gen. Performance is worst for me. I still get 40fps like before, but a lot of stutters (much more than before). I followed the instructions to the letter (and video part 1 also)… maybe this works for higher end cards and processors? I am about to uninstall and install the driver normally…
Thanks for the comment . Let me know if when you install the full version back if the stutters go away. Those may be coming from settings in the nvidia control panel . If you turn on low latency to ultra maybe switch that back to off.
@@2020fsers i will try that..
@@2020fsers I copied back my original config file (before all the changes). Low latency just on. Now I’m flying at 45~55fps smoothly… I didn’t revert the nvidia driver back to original… I will keep testing as it is now… I have to keep an eye on driver updates though…
Thank you!!!
Ok good to know that's so weird because according to nvidia msfs is not set up to use the low latency mode which is why i used ultra gosh now I will need to do more testing thanks for the heads up
On further testing I'm getting about a 10 to 15% FPS increase (I'm continuing testing). I also watched the "BEST Graphics Settings For SIM 9 Update" video and performed the recommended NVIDIA & Sim Graphics Settings. Since I have an I7 processor I did try VSYNC setting off/on...did not seem to make a big difference, but this is the first time I've had anyone of the Graphics Performance videos suggest anything but VSYNC OFF. I've always found that TERRAIN LEVEL OF DETAIL seems to be the parameter that FPS is most sensitive to.
Thanks for the comment glad it worked for you . Always nice when you can tweak out a couple more fps .
i have 10 nvidia programs running also thanks for this video :) going through it so far hope it works :D
Hey thanks for the comment ... let me know how it goes I also just release a windows setup guide today
@@2020fsers ah wow thanks buddy will have a look :D
Your welcome
The DDU didn't worked in safe mode it, it didn't open the APP it give me error. So I didn't go further than that. 7:30. I have got the same graphic card as you have.
Try to open the app as admin while in safe mode maybe that will work .
What is the error?
Hopefully this is still seen but how do you update drivers without going thru all these steps again? without geforce experience obviously
I do the entire process each time there is an update .
I understand correctly that this installation method does not allow the use of dlss ?
Yes it does allow the use of dlss.
Hey is that also recommended for 4090 and 13900k? Which alternative for reshading without Nvidia experience?
Yes you can also use this for 4090 cards but you do give up any GeForce experience stuff. As for reshade I'm not to sure. You can adjust some color settings in the nvidia control panel. That's about all I know. I have never used reshading.
Does not seem to work in Windows 11 - when i reboot into Safe Mode, then try and run the DDU .exe, it errors and says" the file cannot be accessed by the system". I can run the .exe in normal mode - anyone know why it wont run in Safe Mode? Thanks
Hi same problem here with Windows 11. If you find a fix please @ me
Some users in the comments have and the same issue and they were able to fix that not sure what they did but you can browse the comments they have posted .
I have followed each suggestion in this video as well as those suggested in the description. They have been a literal gamechanger. I'm running intel i5 processor with a GTX 3060 gpu. My Nvidia had 11 bloatware items, including Gforce. I only used the Gforce overlay for fps monitoring, and Steam provides this option anyway. I have extreeeemly smooth play with Ultra settings now. I'm able to fly through busy landscapes using more complex aircraft. My framerate has gone from 30-40 to 40-55. Both my Steam and MSFS2020 are running from a secondary SSD through a one-lane PCIe adaptor. I've been using the Google Maps mod and it is fantastic. I look forward to upgrading to Google Maps Pro. The mapping is even better. I will be joining The 2020 fs'ers group as soon as I can load my paypal. I'm a semi-retired old guy and I can tell you this: The second childhood is so much more fun than the first. Way better toys.
Hey thanks for the comment .. lol I agree way better toys now and also we can afford them. Not like being a kid and begging mom to buy me something lol. I'm happy the video helped you 😊
@@2020fsers Brother, you said it. I usually only visit mom on Mothers Day, when I make the climb into the attic and give her and that old rocking chair a good dusting.
After both Videos...and upgrades...although my framerates did not improve...FS is MUCH smoother and better looking !!! Thank you SOOOO much.
Great to hear some users get an increase in frames and some don't but the common theme is smoothness I'm glad this helped you 😀 thanks for posting
If I decide to install geforce experience for some reason, can I install it from nvidias website? Or do I need to do this whole process again but enable geforce experience in the NV clean install.
You can just use the driver from nvidia and run the setup
Great Job!, very THOROUGH and PROFESSIONAL. Wish I could find someone on here that can run through X-Plane 11 like you have with MSFS 2020. If you know of anyone, pass their sight my way. Thanks. Again, GREAT JOB
Thank you for the kind words. If I find anyone ill let you know 1 person I do like to watch is maverick he's awesome 👌
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir for the quick response. I subscribed to your channel even though I don't fly MSFS 2020. I bought it, and tried it, but was having so much trouble with it, I just finally uninstalled it. after watching some of your detailed videos, I might reinstall it and give it another try. Thanks Again
It really is great and I can help you with whatever you need . Also stop by the Facebook group their you can share pics and videos if you have issues . It's a great community of fellow simmers all willing to help out and no negativity . Unless a sim update lol just kidding 😂
I don't understand this. When I look at the task manager I only see 2 Nvidia containers even though i did the default Nvidia installation including GeForce experience. So, would I still benefit from going through all these steps and still end up with only 2 containers. Is it possible that the new Nvidia software behaves differently than when you posted this video? By the way, I love all your detailed videos, especially the ones about the Pimax setups. They were extremely helpful. Thanks
Your welcome thanks for the comment ... it sounds like you don't have GeForce installed . If you don't then this won't help you .
@@2020fsers Well, I did have Geforce installed for sure. I just did a normal reinstall without Geforce and all looks the same. Anyway, I think I have much bigger issue with my PC. With an I9 13900K and an RTX 4090, I can barely get 30 fps in KJFK in 2D. And yes, I have done most if not all your tweaks. I think complete reinstall of everything is required here. 😥
Yeah you should have much better frames then that
@@2020fsers I bit the bullet and reinstalled MSFS. Parked at the heliport in Manhattan, I now get 60fps in 2D and mid 40s in VR around New York with mostly high to ultra settings, so I can’t complain anymore 😁
@HeliSimDriver I've had to do that several times . A reinstall is sometimes the only thing that works 💪
5 containers and 3 shares. I hate that they are always there. Thanks for showing me how to clean it up.
Very welcome 😀 thanks for the comment
Removing the Nvidia junk in my task manager helped so much holy crap. Thank you man so much!!! Do you have to “end task”those Nvidia junk everytime you launch your pc?
thanks for the comment .. you should only have 2 containers now in the task manager if you delete them they will come back they are needed. so after you do the debloat you dont need to worry about the task manager .
Hi there will we need to do this each time a new nvidia driver is released? If not how do we install a newly released driver? Cheers
Yes you follow the same steps
Sir, you Are a gentleman and a scholar in deed! My hat off to ya! Such a meticulous, detailed and easy to follow tutorial. Moreover, it truly yields results!! I said to myself upon venturing out on this journey with you: “I’m a bit skeptical but I trust this dude for some reasons!” I’m glad I did.
My deepest appreciation, sir!!
Thanks so much!
After doing this, I now have a overlay at the bottom left of my game window. Its 2 lines saying DLSS Version...HDR 1280x720 -> 1920 x 1080...Autoexpousre..... How do I get rid of this overlay?
Ok to remove the dlss overlay in the nvclean install untick the dlss box but you will need to do the process again .
@@2020fsers thank you, great video btw it helped a bunch with msfs
@@2020fsers would just going into the NVCleaninstall config file and setting “ShowDlssIndicator” to False not fix it?
Update: it did work, I just set it to false and reinstalled the “setup” all settings stayed the same as well.
Ok great to hear
Was excited to try this however, after trying over and over again and compiling the driver; upon installation it just keeps crashing about 1/3'rd way in with no errors. Sometimes the dialogue says 'failed' and that's it... Guess im out of luck. Win10x64..
Ok try it this way run the ddu after you'd system reboots then run the driver you downloaded from nvidia select custom install and do not select GeForce for the install ... so this may not get you the full debloat of the driver but it gets you close it's better than nothing try that and see what happens
Hey there! Did you have time to try the latest version that also offers "Disable Multiplane Overlay (MPO)" and should we disable it or keep it?
Latest version of nvclean install? No I didn't have you tested it.
@@2020fsers I installed the latest nvidia drivers with it, but there are 2 new options that I don’t quite know if we should enable or disable.
What options are they ? Mpo and what else
Disable MPO
Are these options in the nvidia panel or nvclean install?
Hi hope you are doing well. currently when I open FPS window in msfs it flickers between Limited by Gpu and Limited by main thread and both of my components are utilizing at 100% . i'm planning to upgrade both as I'm not happy with the performance, but which one do you recommend to upgrade first to have less stutters at least, Cpu or Gpu? (having I3 9100F with a RX 5500 XT 4GB, getting mostly 40-ish in the air and average 20 to 25 in the busy airports, planning to buy a 4060ti with 7600x) Thank you and regards
Ok so when you get it to flicker ba k and forth it is setup perfect. You have a good balance between gpu and cpu . I would upgrade the cpu first if you are going to upgrade . But also know stuttering is now a thing in msfs after su14 so I wouldn't say upgrading Anything is going to reduce all your stutters.. I know people with the very best CP and GPU and still gets stutters.
@@2020fsers i just realized when fps gets low and stutters start in heavy scenery airports it switches to limited by gpu, I think because low vram of my gpu maybe? Would you say upgrading gpu for now is a better option?
@thesepehrsamadi when it says limited by gpu .. at the bottom of the fps tool it shows your gpu memory available and how much is used what does yours say when the fps drops like that?
@@2020fsers man I really appreciate for the answer, thanks very much for taking the time to help me out on this. Yeah I just loaded at Chicago Midway with payware scenery, and Vram is full and even the gpu bar becomes purple from red xD and fps goes down to 13 14. I have a massive vram issue I think ? Want to add that that I tested DX12 few days ago. And It almost solved every problem I've ever had like all the stutters were gone, and I was flying in Northwest Territories of Canada with default airport sceneries and had absolutely no stutters. when I came down to Vancouver with custom scenery and vram went full again fps went down to 14 15. Wanna say that DX12 works really good for me as long as scenery is not heavy.
@thesepehrsamadi your welcome ... Okay, there's a couple things you can do. The easiest thing to do is to turn down. Your texture resolution from ultra or high to medium. The second thing you can do in the nvidia control panel. Make sure that you're cuda set to driver default or prefer system fall back. I went over that in my Invidia control panel video.. But I have seen that on my system even if I put it to prefer system fallback or driver default. It doesn't fall back to system memory. So I have to turn down my texture resolution.