Hasselblad X2D vs 907x 100c :: Which Medium Format camera is the best?
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Hasselblad have 2 mirrorless flagship cameras both featuring a 100 megapixel backside-illuminated sensor. This sensor is by far the best I’ve used in any camera. The image quality is absolutely stunning giving you 15 stops of dynamic range at the base ISO.
There are some differences between the X2D and the 907x. Which camera is right for you depends on your style and needs as a beginner photographer.
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Head says X2D, heart says 907x.
Wallet says neither.
Wallet says Fuji GFX50r
Great video as always. After long hesitations with the Leica SL3 I am going for the X2D,…..the sheer image quality of the picture straight out of camera is what got me. I am still blown away every time I look at them.
thinking about selling my r5 & 85 1.2 for it. images are amazing jaw dropping
@@angellondian7628 Yeah, did same, sold all my Olympus and Nikon gear, ....but not even close to cover for the body + 90mm + 28mm 😞. Might need to sell one of my kids as well!
You made a good choice.
While the SL camera bodies are fantastic, the sensors and color processing aren't that different from the Panasonic S1h.
There are multiple posts on Leica forums and here on RUclips comparing RAW and straight to jpeg files. Nearly identical.
With the X2D you get an actual larger sensor and great image processing.
@@annekedebruyn7797 Thanks for the feed back. Yes, I had the oppportunity to try out both for a couple of hours and yes, I prefer almost everything on the Sl3 (handling, viewfinder, autofocus, ....), but the imag files of the Hassy are in a different league all together.
Great Video! I have the X2D, best camera ever used, love the ergonomics, menus and most important for me, image quality... is from another world!
The only drawback is the shutter release and the lack of a joystick. The shutter release is a gap in imagination. The only thing they need to do is build a simple trigger app for the Apple watch. The joystick requires redesigning and I don't know why it was not included.
Been doing fast moving street photography with 907/100C and I nail most of my shots. It’s an incredible camera 👏🏼
what lens you using. have been waffling on that or the GFX100ii since I own a 50R and have GFX glass. but I like the idea of cradling the 907x100c in my hand. is there a remote shutter tool that I could use in my right hand while cupping the camera in the left?
Keep Up The Good Work! Greatings from Brooklyn, NY.
I love your vids!
Would you ever do a vid on analog vs digital medium format?
I started follwing you after your Pentacon 6/ Kiev 88 videos!
I think you are one of the only youtube personalities out there with a nuanced views about analog/digital photography.
Not romantic about one or the other. Either positive or negative. Something I oftentimes miss with modern reviewers, something you actively included in a couple of your past videos.
Merely as a one off, comparing the formats, would be a treat!
Awesome review, thank you!
I bought the Leica M11P in January. And my 907X arrived today!!! Great video BTW!
So you just spent 15k on two cameras 💀
What lenses are you going for?
I have SEM 21, 28 Lux, 50 Voigt, 75 APO Cron.
38 2.5 Blad & waiting on the 90.
@@PaulB-gl1ix Quite the collection. What genre of photography are you using them for? As far as I know, these cameras are good for landscape- and street photography, portraits and studio work but rather unsuited for wildlife and sports. If you could only keep one of those, which camera would you prefer?
@@-_vh_- So my background is portaiture. Corporate shots and weddings/family/kids etc. I had a main street studio for a number oy years until the industry became over run with mums who figured they were pros... giving it all away for $200... Enough... I got out, sold everything. Anyhow... Fast forward to now & I got interested again. So I just bought quite a bit of ProFoto lighting and I'm getting back into portraits... If the $$$'s come great, if not I'm OK with that as well... I don't need the money.
Which system would I keep? Well let me say my Hasselblad and Leica use go back to film... I loved both systems in the past. The M11P is awesome...&... the Hasselblad smashes the living crap out of it. Yep... it is seriously good. I'd dump the Leica without a second thought if I had to choose.
@@-_vh_- OK. So formerly I owned a portrait studio and got out when the mums decided they were pros & were giving it all away for $200.
Enough… I got out. Sold everything. Fast forward to now and I’m interested again. So, also just bought an entire ProFoto lighting setup. I’m interested in doing upmarket portraits, if I make a buck… awesome. If not … meh, I don’t need the money. It’s more for pleasure.
Leica or Blad? Used them both extensively, back to the 90’s shooting 120 roll film and 35mm in the M6. I’m a huge fan of both, even though from the start of digital I switched to Canon… I did have an M8, M9 as well at the end but my Canons were the money printing devices.
So I have no bias toward one or the other. But, as good as the Leica is, and it’s pretty awesome, the Hasselblad smashes it… not even close. If I had to choose I’d dump the Leica in a moment. The Hasselblad is that good… beyond good. The newest lenses are optimised for the current tech and the 90mm is said to be the best ever lens in the Hasselblad lineup. I haven’t shot with it yet but the 38 2.5 is just astounding.
I'm still loving my H6D-400MSs a daily workhorse; the X2D is excellent next to it. For Holidays it would like more zooms with different ranges though.
the video I needed! X2D not having remote is a killer.. with the Hasselblad app can we capture very long exposures, like 3, 5 10 etc minutes long?
Great video. Have you compared the X2D to the GFX100 ii?
Wonderful photographs
If you don't mind me asking a favor, would you mind to test whether the 907x can be connected to 3rd party EVF via the hot shoe?
I know it would probably making it sort of the same with the x2d, but shooting the digital back with Tilt shift body and EVF is actually better than looking at the screen and having lots of reflection on it.
Thank you very much in advance
Regarding color accuracy, is there any difference in using Phocus or Adobe Raw to process the raw files? Any advantages to using one over the other?
Excellent. Your favorite lenses?
Maybe the new Sony 247 megapixel BSI sensor (flat or curved shape?) they made recently will be for a new full-size medium format digital camera.
By the time I save up for my next Hasselblad, X2D II might be a thing. Currently enjoying the 907x 50CFV
The Hassie!
I especially love your Hasselblad videos. For me, I'd go with the 907X system. I like the idea that I can use that 100CFV (or 50CVF depending on what you have) on my 500CM camera system along with shooting film. Film is the majority of my work still. With regards to the "Studio Queens" (love that nickname), the thing I liked about the H-system over the X system is there was a lot more accessories available for H cameras. The lens selection was a lot better also imho. Maybe in the future Hasselblad will address that issue?
Can I use the new X series lenses on my X1D2?
Is the vignetting from the lenses?
A Hasselblad Monochrome back for the 907? Yeah, a game changer but not just Monochrome, make it anachromatic. That changes everything. Excellent video per your usual. Cannot justify both so I would go with the 907 so that I could purchase an old V series camera and do the B&W in post. Medium format in B&W = my happy place.
I'm a professional landscape photographer and former Blad user from the 80's. My big concern, #1 is the lack of product availability. #2 the 907 intrigues me but the lack of any real protection for the sensor could be a problem using it outdoors. It would be nice if someone would also talk about the legacy V lens adapter that Blad makes and how that would work in the field on either one of theses set ups.
Nice cameras!
I'm curious, you also tested a Phase one camera once. Is the quality between these two different?
They do make optical viewfinders for the 907.
the other thing holding me back on this over the GFX100ii is lack of tilt EVF.. that's almost the total deal breaker plus the leaf shutters are wtf.
No one compares the Leica SL image to the x2d. How would you compare the color rendering of SL2 to X2D w native lenses. thanks for vids
I had the SL2 - the X2D files are way nicer. Noise is better controlled and color is more appealing IMHO with the X2D. There is much more of a "wow" factor I get working with the X2D files. The SL APO lenses are amazing though.
Hasselblad image quality is better than Leica, but why comparing the SL2 when there is the newer version anyway it may come near to the Q3 but the best is the flagship of course which is the m11-p until now even though the S-system is the German medium format sensor camera if we are going to put it head to head with the Hasselblad X2D 100C and in all comparisons it is always better, unless you are searching for versatility so go with sony and canon why bothering with the European brands when you have the japanese because both has different meaning for the functionality
If they came out with a monochrome back I would definitely get one to use with my 503cx
I think the Hasselblad system is amazing. The drawback is the price. I'm probably more of a target for a Dianna instead. Maybe even a pinhole in the bottom of a 35mm film container.
Can you please let us know who make the lenses for X2D as Hasselblad never made lenses, in the past it was Zeiss and Rodenstock I think. My hunch is lenses are made by Fujifilm.
No, they are not. Fuji did build the H system lenses, at least the originals. This time around is divided between Nittoh (the original series lenses that are objectively better than Phase One's funny name lenses) and the V series by Panasonic. The V series lenses have not been fully tested, but they seem to be excellent and far better than the old Zeiss series. Beyond curiosity who manufactures the lenses is not important (unless the person is trying to compensate for a loss in who has the longest or who's milkshake brings more boys). The lenses are built to Hasselblad specifications and design.
I also find it odd that the cable release from my 907x 50C is not supported.
The electric cable release of the CFVII50c works on the CFV100c
Great overview. I agree with you the X2D not having a shutter release is a major oversight. Even more so when it was released and basically the AF had 1999 capabilities: A landscape image quality first camera with no cable or remote release. They could solve it by creating an app for the Apple watch. I hope the next-generation 907 system includes a port for an electronic viewfinder. Hasselblad should not manufacture it (they probably can't get the money back) but make it open and have a bunch of small companies create different viewfinder accessories.
Can you use the app for release?
I don't get why hasselblad stopped using its 4×5 digital sensors we saw in its H-series cameras and moved to a smaller 3×4 sensor in its mirrorless lineup.
2 reasons,
first is that sony has the copyright for the sensor design for digital sensors so even if companies like Kodak or hasselblad made their own sensors they have to pay royalties to Sony which is not a good way to go, its alot cheaper and effecient to just buy the sensors from sony which is why Kodak and other companies stopped production. I think canon is the only one who is making their own sensor, but they still pay alot of royalties to sony so thats why their cameras are a little more expensive then what they are worth.
The second one is cost, if they did a 4x5 or a 3x4 the cost of the body alone would be anywhere from 2 X2D cost to maybe 10x the cost. As for lens yeah they could adapt the H series lens but its preferable they create a new ecosystem or use the same XCD lens as currently mirrorless rules the market. So if they do want to make a new sensor format they have to spend alot on RND and even then how many people will buy it? I mean they could do what Phase one does but phase one is never an option to pleabs like us, a single lens cost over 20k so I doubt they can relate to one another.
The 50c version of H series cameras have the same sensor type and size as the mirrorless X cameras
In facts H series cameras had 3 different sensor sizes depending on the back model.
My only issue with the Hassleblad X2D and 907x 100c is the price. You really really really have to be a Hassleblad fan AND have deep pockets, and Only want to do just slow product or portrait photography.
For example, If you want a set of 4 lenses, Say a 38 mm F 2.5: that's 3700. a 55mm F2.5: thats 3700, a 90mm F2.5: thats 4300, and a Zoom the 35-75mm, thats 4000. The camera cost 8200. That is a grand total of 23, 900 Dollars.
Then you say, well, what about the competition. Immediately you think of the Fuji GFX 100 II: The camera is 7500, a similar lens system is 30 mm F3.5 lens is 1700, the 55mm H1.7 is 2300, and 80mm f1.7 lens is 2300, and zoom 32-64 is 2300 (if you prefer the 45-100, that is same price at 2300). AND that is not even including the fact that you have options for reduced pricing like going for the GF 45mm, 50 mm, or 63mm slower lens instead of the f1.7 lens, as ell as more third party options; as well as the option to go for the 100s instead of the 100 II, which would drop the price of the camera body to 4300 (in today's sales, but normally 6000). But, using the original examples I included, you have a cost of 16,100.
So that is $23,900 vs $16,100. That is a different of $7800 AND you get way a much more versatile system that also include fairly good video capabilities, the ability to shave off some 3000-4000 off that price by going with slower lens, and probably another 1500-3000 off that price by going with the GFX 100s, which would still give you better video capabilities. AND you have more option with 3rd party lenses.
And this is not even including the option of significantly greater options, significant more versatile options, by going with a full frame system from Sony, Nikon, Canon at a much much cheaper price.
I get the craftsmanship of Hassleblad is great, I get there is better flash sync, and arguably better colors compared to fuji film.. But is that enough for an otherwise objectively worse, but more expensive camera?
Apple to orange. Stop whining 😂
Claiming that the Fuji has great video capabilities makes me believe you are a fanpal. The Fuji video capabilities are primitive, with that horrendous rolling shutter. Also, Fuji has a 1/125 flash sync crap. Finally, the camera lacks personality, both in terms of manufacturing and experience. It's a generic Japanese camera. If you like that, buy a Sony, a Canon or a Nikon. Excellent cameras modern and far less expensive.
@@jaimeduncan6167
I already mentioned the flash sync speed is an advantage.
Great video capabilities may be a stretch, but it is at least descent, maybe even good. You can't use them to film the olympics, but you can use them as talking head, or film a family event on a pinch.
I agree hassleblad looks beter. But is it work the 6300 -12K difference in price with just a 4 lens setup?
Crop medium format is not that much larger than full frame. Which again begs the question, are you better served with a Nikon Z8 or Z9, a Sony A1, R5, or A9III, or Canon R3, R5 or in the future R1. You can even get two separate bodies if needed to cover your needs, many lens, and it is still cheaper.
Product photography? many of the newer high resolution cameras allow you to "stich" many images together to form 1 large much higher resolution picture if needed.
Also, No need for name calling, that's childish. I'm merely mentioning an alternative both in the digital medium format space, as well as in full frame. It's up to people to decide what they want.
@@dayeah765caoni3 No one is Whining. Also Just because you claim Apple to Orange doesn't mean your statement is valid.
1. The Hassleblad Lens and the 100S II uses the same lens. So how is it apple to orange. The difference is how they implement it, and the price/craftmanship.
2. Regarding full Frame, the point is this is not 6x7, 6x6 or 6x4.5 medium format that is much later than the current 44x33 medium format. The current medium format is only 1.6x larger than full frame, which itself is about 1.5-1.6x larger than APSC. It's the same argument in the APSC space, can you stick with say a fuji XH2S or XH2 instead of going with sony, canon, or nikkon and get fairly good enough or near equivalent quality. But unlike the difference between apsc and full frame, where both can serve as good multipurpose cameras, the jump from full frame to crop medium format takes you away from all the versatility and capabilities of full frame to something much more limited, while ballooning the price.
So I think it is valid, why not Fuji GFX over this camera, and why not full frame over this camera. Otherwise, why not just go phase one then?? Oh is Phase One too expensive?? NOW price matters???
@Powerincarnate. You're right, but the statements are not good enough for Hass fan boy.
I am Fuji man now because of Hass too pricy for me.
907x is one kind of camera, I wish I could try it personally someday.
I don't know why I even watching this.. i'm broke as ....
Good point 😂
Who doesn’t enjoy a little camera porn every once in a while?
Por que no los dos!
These 2 cameras are not only for 2 different types of photographers, but for two different types of duties, that's why I use both 😊
To be honest looking really forward to way more better X3D or whatever it is
There are any number of hot shoe to pc-synch adaptors. Probably far to cheap to be seen on a Hasselblad though!
Hello, I own bot the X1D and the X2D C100 both give outstanding image quality. I started using Hasselblads back in the 1980's with the 500 series. I tried the Fuji GFX 50 when it came out with the X1D. At that time the image quality were very close and not a lot in it. But for usability bot in the hand and for studio /location flash work the Hasselblad wins. I now have the Hasselblad X2D C100 and YES it is not as fast as my Z9 or Z8 but they do not give the image quality rather.(but still good). The Hasselblad just beg you to go out and us it all the time. Taking a bit more time to creat images in most cases is not a bad thing. Then if you need the speed then you know.
Great review ! One question- I noticed that the X2D drops the viewfinder resolution in the moment of focussing which I found so annoying that I did go for the 907x100c. Have you noticed it and did it not bother you?
Both cameras will accept adapted lenses I assume? Thought 907 has the advantage that you could slap it on the back of a 500c or 500 ELM as well. Do you think there will be or is there a true 6x6 or 6x7 digital back/camera in the future? I have a D850 which has more than enough megapixels for me plus 14 bit raw. I has thinking the difference would not be significant. I was also thinking that a 4x5 would be cool. Shoot and scan.... Thoughts?
If only I could afford one
I don't understand the argument for a monochrome only digital camera. Sure, a monochrome preview mode to make composition easier, but with a preset in Lightroom, you'll have black and white in a few clicks.
If it came down to one or the other, it would be the CM 500. No question. Edit: Why? Because of that extremely enjoyable THUMP of course!
Frankly, I'd prefer a 2nd CF express slot over any built-in storage: SSDs have a limited life span, and having them soldered in is bad enough in Apple's notebooks and phones already; we don't need this additional point of failure in pro level high end cameras!
I find it very odd Hasselblad engineers decided it was a good idea to remove the Remote cable feature. They should make a USB-C version!
Great video. As much as I love the 907x , IBIS is important to me as well as the handling, which is why I went with a used X2D at a very attractive price, less than $6300. But coming from Fuji GFX line, which is great, better AF, the X2D inspires me. Case in point, last night at the blue hour, just finished raining and it was cold, but the bluest gray of the cloud/sky next to a very old barn, open corn field compelled me to go out. The X2D/45p combo handle scene like a charm, with very little post.
Anyway, love your content, keep up the great work! Also, can you do a video on your favorite Hasselblad lenses? I only have the 80mm 1.9 and the 45p, both I picked up used from a lenses rental place for only $2500/ no taxes where I live. I digress 😂😂
I had the option of buying the X2D, in late 2022 and sadly I didn't, instead going for the GFX100s, as I was worried about the AF in the X2D and I love the GF110 f/2, which Hasselblad doesn't have an equivalent of. The big downside to my decision was the slow flash sync speed of the GFX camera, which the Hasselblad just doesn't have.
I still love the X2D though and one day I would love to get one (or more probably the X3D or X4D, as I don't see myself as changing any time soon).
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I want to see a 907 either 50 or 100 on a SWC.
I just got an SWC and it’s been a bucket lister for me. Then I fell in the rabbit hole and saw the 907 backs.
Thank goodness my bank acct can’t handle that right now. 🤣😂
Works well with a few caveats. The clarity of the 38 images is stellar.
We didn't know either so we ended up buying both - still awaiting the XCD28mm after waiting nearly 15 months for the 90mm which is the bomb - although to be fair they don't get as much use now as the GFX100 T+S lenses, the 30mm T+S is king for architecture whilst the 110mm T+S is the king for funky large format style portraits. We use the Hass for those on location but inside portraits of families - even though in our hearts we know the 30mm T+S could probably do a better job we love the Hass on a tripod as you can communicate with your subjects much better that way. - especially now it has proper flash functionality - the matching X2D is great for candids though. Both are good but in different ways - the Hass app is properly sorted except for one thing - orientation when it's upside down and streaming to the app using an iPad pro!!
Is there printers with high dynamic range?
The old solvent printers from Epson were just incredible. But they can the inkset moving to Aquos for ecological and economical reasons.
As an X2D and GFX owner, if the 907X had come out before the X2D, I would definitely have purchased it in preference, purely for the form factor and the visual connection to the 500 series. Regarding comments about price, I don't think the Hasselblad bodies are overpriced. The X2D's build quality makes it's competitors feel slightly "cheap". However, Hasselblad's lens pricing is a different matter entirely and it's not justified by the leaf shutter - cf the 45p re what a leaf shutter lens can be built and retailed for.
Yep, even more so that you have the GFX that is excellent in its own right.
Overpriced cameras aside. I can't see myself living without IBIS ever again. I've been spoiled.
you're right its absurd they dont build storage in. Ricoh GRii and iii do however.
Except on Leica of course but way more less than Hasselblad sadly
My images are unlikely to be printed on a skyscraper any time soon, so I think I’ll pass. Very beautiful, though.
I will not buy it until they put joystick for focusing and they have to improve autofocus speed.
The 907X has an AF joystick on the grip.
When using the 907X on a regular basis as standalone it needs the grip because of missing functions without such as exposure lock, back button AF, 2 scroll wheels ...
When using the back mainly on a V system SLR and only randomly on the 907X it doesn't need the grip.
Ok ive used the 907x 100c for a little over 3 months now and lets just say the experience is horrible. As an early model variant mine has alot of issues from it freezing up occassionally to the system deleting your pictures on its own and even when outdoors forcibly jamming itself where it cant even open the damn lens, the last one is the worst because even taking out the battery is not a permanent solution. Tried to contact Hasselblad customer service and they ghosted me for months before saying "its normal operations and expect your pictures to be deleted automatically"..................... TF I have lost hope in this company now as a long time user of their products. In all honesty if yall read this and still want a hassy, just get the X2D and make sure its at leats at the 10k number as anything before may have early production issues.
500C Film 😅
907x looks ridiculous held other than at waist level.
Who needs medium format? It's not even full frame format. It's just medium sized.
What a crappy comment…
@@PaulB-gl1ix It's OK you can't even tell its a joke.
@@stanleystevens6278 Of course not. There are no subtleties to give a clue in a typed comment.
Medium format was always an umbrella term. What you need is air, food, water, shelter, and apparently, hugs.
To be clear it’s a cropped medium format sensor.
The answer is "C" The Fuji GFX 100S
For versatility maybe, but there is the new better flagship, 100 ii, but as a medium format sensor more affordable camera compared to the phase one, the image quality is even better than the Leica.
Has it got 10bn pixels? Honestly, the gadgetry. No need, get a cheap camera and spend your time thinking and making photos insted of reading and learning manuals and fiddling with software.
Great presentation!