@s1rhcs1vad To be fair he has opened hundreds of locks on video, with many of them being way more complicated or touted as "pick proof". I would gather that the lock on this thing is a bit more simple than some of those models. It makes total sense that this specific lock wouldn't be anything exactly new, and therefore can be skipped. Being skeptical is good and all, but it seems entirely misplaced in this context. I don't think i've seen anyone so salty over something so minor as this lol. You from Shotlock or something?
It's meaningful, too. One of the big reasons to use a gun safe is to keep your children out of it so they don't end up making a really big mistake. But if a kid is curious about it, the notebook wire hack is something they could work out for themselves.
I love that in this scenario he didn't even need a tool. So I've seen him open a safe with a fork, a safe with a spoon, a gun trigger lock with a lego, a gun lock with a twig and a magnetic lock with a paperclip.
Opening it with gravity, he doesn't need a tool but when he used the makeshift wire thing, that is basically a tool. Same with things like forks, spoons, and legos. Some monkeys use sticks for example to pick out ants from a log so in that example, the stick is being used as a tool. A tool is just anything that isn't an immediate extension of yourself that you use for a specific purpose so even if you clip a fingernail off and use that, it's still technically a tool.
@@upsidedown4155 man, security business doesn't work this way, if your product failed you lose buyers. Reason why they pick cheap solutions is lower risk.
@@EliasMcCloud i know buddy its the other costs behind a simple spring, a weaker spring means when purchased in bulk they save money due to less weight in transportation and dispatch, plus they prob use the same spring on another product so even more cost cutting, then redesign, training the assemblers, i agree its stupid bit thats the nature of business if you can save a percent of weight on a part its more pure profit, there are 2 things in this world the ethical way where things are done right and the business way where its all about minimizing the over heads to so the ceo can pay for that new ferrari every other week
MacGyver: A paper clip, the inner tube of a bicycle wheel, an actual piece of human hair, chewing gum, and a potted plant LockPickingLawyer: *tap it on it's side*
Hey, please don't pick on MacGyver, he was the best media ever had, until they f*** him to death with the new series, RIP MacGyver, the money hating capitalist, the social NGO member and the weapon hating us-american. 💐
That doesn't sound like LPL. He would probably speak to it in a calm manner and it would just open. I'm sure my front door will open if he just smiles at it.
Normally, I’m like: “yeah... but LPL is a pro... so it’s a bit like saying it’s easy to play basketball if you’re LeBron.” ... but this is just ridiculous.
Thank you for the review. Looks like the drop one can be easily negated by bolting it down. For a quick access safe these are not too bad and very simple. No batteries required.
I subscribed to this channel even though I did not much care for lockpicking. Seeing people's passions and niche hobbies makes me very happy and I'm definitely gaining an interest.
Your picking skills are impressive. Your ability to think of ways to exploit the weak spots in the various mechanisms you come across is amazing. I expect the manufacturer will be adding a spring to that lever to prevent your attacks if they see this video, if it wouldn't interfere with the normal operation of the lock.
@@billcook4768 True, no security is flawless. The only thing you can do is minimize attack vectors, and have multiple layers of protection, all depending on how valuable the thing you're trying to protect is, and how likely it will be attacked.
@@pvanukoff Makes me imagine a thief bypassing a dozen locks through exploiting weaknesses, and when he/she opens the safe, a half eaten grilled cheese sandwich is the only thing stored there
If the lock is only susceptible to picking, I'd still go for it. (Not if you can rake it, though.) But if you can open it with such a simple attack like in this case - nah. Keep in mind, most thieves won't go through the trouble of picking a lock, but just dropping a box on its corner is way too easy.
Me as a criminal: *breaks into office through window* *sees safe* *looks up lpl video on the safe and follows it like a step by step guide to picking it open*
I'd love to see the faces of the officers looking at security footage and hear you say "nothing on one... two is binding... nothing on three... now back from the beginning"
It would be interesting to add tips how to fix the weaknesses, for the already-owners, like closing the hole (obviously) or replacing the spring holding the lever (can this be done without interfering with the regular opening mechanism?).
Seriously, you need to start a secondary channel where you solve puzzles and puzzle boxes. Because of the way you find the most obscure exploits in things, you would probably solve puzzle boxes in record times.
Wow what a compliment from LPL. If I was the manufacturer of that lock box, I’d put a new core in it, weld that hole shut, and put some extra tension on that bar in hopes of a revisited review in the future. The price of it might go up, but if it meant a recommendation from LPL, it’s worth it.
@lockpickinglawyer Just a consideration for a few easy fixes: 1) soldering the corner holes shut would end the wire bypass 2) possibly replacing the spring that engages that bar with a stronger tension could prevent the impact bypass, although this is less likely to work and more tedious than the product is worth
Will you please mention or do a series of videos on how to easily harden some of the locks like this? You mention that it is an easy fix. If this could be improved with a spring or some JB weld, it would be helpful for those that bought an item like this before seeing your review.
Have someone add a welding point over the literal security hole to prevent the wire attack and have the lever Springloaded against the backwall of the housing to prevent or at least make the drop attack harder. Obviously the spring has to be attached in a way that it doesn't easily fly off when dropped.
I'm assuming LPL doesn't want to take on the liability of suggesting ways to add security to a product. (If he makes such a reccomendation and a thief steals your stuff anyway, you COULD sue.) As for this particular product, the drop attack seems to only work if the safe can be dropped, so bolt it down. And the hole in the corner just needs to be plugged with something that can't easily be pushed aside, so yeah, JB Weld it. (I'm not worried about the aforementioned liability potential because if you do these things and your stuff still gets stolen, YOU should have done a better job of it :) )
@@Dwayne_Bearup Good point; I think that is completely valid. I guess it is up to us do discuss possible options (as long as that does not result in us being liable).
Many thanks LPL. A friend rec’d one of these for Christmas and looks like a spot weld and bolting down will improve this significantly. Hopefully ShotLock will make a few easy mods to improve this box.
Interesting clip. I'd add that the purpose of this type of lock is not to prevent theft but rather to keep children or senile elderly from accessing a firearm. For that purpose, I think it is designed perfectly for the price.
I would really love to see an actually good product from time to time. I love his meme openings, but it’s starting to make me a little sad. There have got to be some really good quality, small production safes, bike lock, pad locks out there... right... guys... right!?
Maybe if you really wanted good luck you could use one of the padlocks which LPL has specifically shown their weaknesses. And you could just shorre up the weaknesses. Probably to achieve any kind of good luck you're going to have to do some modifications.
It is great that you make us aware of all the poor quality locks and safes but it would be nice if you could show us some products that are actually good.
I own an earlier model of this safe and I think it would be very helpful if you offered some home-brewed fixes for these problems so we can can fix the exploits.
So if you owned this box perhaps filling the gap on the corner with some epoxy would be a potential fix? it seems as if this was bolted down and then that section was epoxied it would be much harder to open. add some hot glue down into the keyhole cover it over with Bondo sand it down and repaint it and you'll end up with a removable way to guard against the lockpick
LPL: “We’ll take this down to the garage and show you how it’s done.” Lock Box: “ *NOOOOOO!!!!! NOT THE GARAGE!!!!* “ LPL: “Okay, we’re back upstairs.” Lock Box: shivers “Hehehehe I’m alive! *I’m ALIVE!!!!* “
Great review, Can you recommend a way to fix this for people that have it mounted. I know many people that have this one. As you said the rest is a good product maybe it can be "salvaged". Some cement glue in that corner maybe?
The fact that you can remove the screws while the box is secured would also be a problem, correct? Even if you seal the holes at the bottom, all you have to do is remove that screw on the left and you have access to the bar again.
On the bright side Compared to most of the other so called gun safes featured. This one can still be bought and used effectively. Bolt it down to prevent dropping attacks and it seems their is plenty of room to jb weld or otherwise block that hole and add a physical barrier on the inside. As far as the combination bypass key I do believe LPL said it was a mechanical combination so I would probably epoxy the core shut and destroy the keys if I could not find a way to install a more robust core in it.
I bought this exact model box before i saw the review. I attempted to recreate the drop test with an EMPTY box and couldn't get it to open 20+ times. I took it apart and mechanism looks similar. I'm gonna cut the lever shorter and plug the hole with epoxy putty, hide the box and call it good.
I've been considering this safe for car and travel with a good cable (if there is such a thing). Just curious how short you cut the lever (cut off 1/2?, 1/3?, etc) and if it created any problems that I would need to be aware of. Any advice would be helpful.
@@Laughinghawg I never got around to cutting the lever. If I couldn't get it to open by slamming it I figured why bother. I have it in an awesome hide spot no little hands are going to suspect I hid it there. I think it is a good box for the money.
They probably do. It's not their goal to deliver maximum security but to deliver most profit for the owners of company. So they create 'good enough' for particular definition of 'good' and just sell it. And frankly speaking, if a thief can steal your safe they will cut through eventually and if it's mounter, they could have used a crowbar etc. Or it would be a serious piece of safe box for serious money. Not many customers for such a product, I guess. It does its job - when mounted it protects against random opening by kids. A kid determined enough would use a crowbar anyway so the notebook exploit is interesting but not really a distaster. I would say it's quite a safe and the only thing I would modify would be that actuator inside - I would add a better spring so it does resist a bit.
You're a legend LPL. Beautiful deconstruction of a half decent product, hopefully they'll follow through and make changes. Hell, if they were wise they might even consult you or send you V2 to test. A glowing recommendation on video from you would go a long way these days.
So now that you know the security weaknesses of this particular product you can make it stronger. Just put some JB Weld in that hole and then bolt it to a shelf.
@@Dwayne_Bearup that's a good idea. I was just thinking of writing off the whole thing as a piece of junk. Though it's a bit irksome to have to finish the company's job for them.
I have the shotgun version of this. I'm not worried about the dropping vulnerability as mine is bolted to the wall. Even the wire vulnerability would be pretty tricky to pull off because of where it is. That being said, I'm going to fill that little hole just to be sure. Easy enough. Might as well, right?
These videos are great for learning about what to avoid, but it would be nice to know some LPL approved alternatives to the locks and products shown. It makes it seem like there are not any good quality small gun safes. You could even make your suggestions affiliate links so you could make some spare cash on the side, if you really wanted to.
As usual, a device intended for safety and security is made unsafe and insecure because of cost-cutting measures. Would it seriously have cost THAT much extra to weld the corners shut?
I'm still trying to figure out what are the parts that the company got right....the colour scheme....the density of the plastic knob......the price was certainly right for them and I imagine there's a rush of returns to Amazon after this video. As always thanks and Cheers from Canada North
It's perfect to keep sticky fingers from lifting important items. eg; It's not really meant to be fort-knox. It's to keep would-be easy-picking thieves from just picking up money or items and walking away. Sure, they COULD run the risk of picking it, or trying to take the entire box-- or breaking it... all of which are LOUD usually, very time-consuming or just dangerous if you get caught. It's like the stupid dinky locks on food-shelves, keeps kids out or atleast makes it hard enough and loud enough for parents to notice. This little thing does it's job nicely and by no means should be considered a end-all-be-all solution. I keep spare ammo/mags/cleaning supplies in seperate smaller safes inside the big safe. It just slows someone down... better to have a shitty safe that makes someone think, hesitate or work for 1 minuet rather than none at all! :)
If you have one of these, you could easily put a piece of metal in to defeat the wire attack. You could also bolt it down. That would solve 2 of the 3 problems with really not too much effort. He did say that the lock was better than some. So really, for a negligible amount you could fix the big issues with this.
I am thinking of hardening this thing and here's what I got: - Remove the key lock core and fill the hole after it by welding a piece of metal to cover it, leaving the code as the only way to open it. - Bolt the thing down so the gravity atrack won't be possible. - Similarly, weld a piece of metal over the hole used for the wire exploit. Am I missing something?
He buys the locks, takes them apart and learns how they work, and then he figures out how to exploit it. By knowing how something works and how it's designed you can easily figure out how to bypass or exploit it.
I knew about the impact vulnerability on those cheapo safes they sell at the big box DIY store. And for a while I thought that bolting it down would fix that weakness, but depending on where the lock is in the assembly, even if it's bolted down, hitting it with a deadblow can still jostle that bar enough to allow you to spring the lock. As the holes tend to be slightly oversized. I wouldn't be surprised if this box could still be opened by hitting it on the back with a hammer, even if it was bolted down.
Sometimes I wonder how this dude finds bypasses like this? Like, this is such a specific action to perform, its like he had to discover this on accident. It's like speedrunners who spend hours in games trying to find very specific hitbox glitches or places they can clip through the map to win faster.
Quick question: Have you ever picked a lock by ear? *Long* story ahead:- I had to pick the lock to the key safe outside the flats I lived in so I could gain access to the main building, and thus my flat which was inside. The housing agency denied me access to the main door of the building because I didn't accept the terms of the new contract they served to me. I contended it, so they changed the main door lock and gave everyone, who signed the new contract, a key... except for me. Since I was already inside the flats when they changed the lock on the main door, I decided to go down at night and crack the key safe code _(it was a mechanical lock where you needed to depress certain buttons to unlock the key safe, not in any specific order)._ Since I'm a sound engineer, I have very good listening skills. I could hear the difference in the sound the lock made when holding the "clear" button while pressing each number individually. It took me about 2 mins to crack the lock. The housing agency had no idea how I was getting in and out. It was quite exhilarating, knowing I could circumvent their measures to try to prevent me from entering the flats where I f***ing lived, and where I hadn't gone against any contractual obligations. Large corporations sometimes have no empathy for individuals when it comes to taking their rights away ("right to privacy" in my case). P.S. The new contract would allow them an _"unfettered right of access",_ meaning they could access the property at any time, even without knocking. They wanted a locksmith to remove the deadlock from everyone's front doors. I declined and left it locked. Totally wrong, and I'm so glad I stood my ground.
Surely a spot of epoxy or tiny weld if you have a welder. Even a small self tapping screw inside then the excess sticking outside ground off? However, the manufacturer should make the very small change to fix this. Love your video's and voice
I think a pick and gut would have been ideal. At that price I would have liked to have seen if a end user fix would be viable. Maybe a heavier spring and a cover for that lever, combined with some security pins, this may still be a good purchase for someone handy or even for someone who might already own one.
Hey LPL, I've been following you for a while and love your vids, especially those collabs with Bill a little while back. Do you think you could make a video or playlist that has locks you DO suggest, particularly gun locks/safes and specifically an easy access lock/safe for a handgun. It seems that by their nature most easy access products can be easily defeated one way or another by a determined attacker. I would really appreciate it, and I think other people would too. Your opinion carries a lot of weight.
Bolt it down, seal the holes with a little jb weld, and if you're worried about picking you could seal the override lock as well and only use the code lock. It's not a perfect solution but it's a solution.
Well, easy fixes: JB Weld on the holes at the corner. A stiffer spring on the unlocking bar. He already said the lock, while pickable, was better than most, and the mechanical push buttons require correct entry sequence. It looks like the manufacturer was trying to make a decent box, but missed a couple of things out of ignorance. I hope LPL reached out to them with his suggestions to make it better.
One day, I fully expect to hear from the other side of the house; "This is the Lock Picking Lawyer, and I just opened your front door...in any case, that's all I have for you today".
This company likely has a different model of gun safe which requures that unlock tab to be that long, so rather than stock multiple parts for their various products they use identical parts for all, without ever considering the weaknesses this practice imparts to their other products.
Love all your videos. Amazing work. I wonder if the box is bolted down. You said you can't drop it on the corner. I'd like to try hitting the corner or face of the box. With a hammer or something. To see if you can set off the twist like. With a little blunt force. If you can't lift the box.
Have you ever considered attaching a contact mic to the lock body so we can listen along with the clicks? Mixing the audio would be a little more effort but it might be an interesting addition to the videos.
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"You've seen me pick enough locks."
N-no!
B-baka!
When did he said this?
ammar zafri 0:40 in this video
Thats... why I'm here
'Let's go to the garage rn and show you how it's done' mmm doujin manuacript material.
I would love to see a manufacturers reaction real time and recorded. Just like when game developers watch people speed run their games.
"Lock company CEO reacts" is a series I would definitely watch! 😆 Get right on it LPL! If anyone has the reach and expertiseto do this, it's you.
they know. they also know that it doesn’t matter.
@s1rhcs1vad To be fair he has opened hundreds of locks on video, with many of them being way more complicated or touted as "pick proof". I would gather that the lock on this thing is a bit more simple than some of those models. It makes total sense that this specific lock wouldn't be anything exactly new, and therefore can be skipped. Being skeptical is good and all, but it seems entirely misplaced in this context. I don't think i've seen anyone so salty over something so minor as this lol. You from Shotlock or something?
@s1rhcs1vad he can pick that lock very easily. Watch his other videos of far more complicated locks. And he has won lock picking competitions of note.
@s1rhcs1vad I assume this must be satire, intended to show what the parent comment asked for, the company responding.
Orange bottle, Lego, Notebook... maybe one day, we'll get an episode where he'll open the lock using a key !
If he does, it will be the wrong key for the lock. And he won't ues it to turn the core.
Using the key is always slower than picking for lpl
He already have video(s) using juggler keys. :P
Or use the key in a way that would make one initially say, "that's not how you use a key.... oooooh..."
He has already done that. Search his channel for "TSA Key". basically the TSA has 7 different (commercially sold) master keys for travel locks.
LPL - "Oops I dropped it..."
Safe - "I don't want no trouble, I'll just unlock"
Me: "Hmm.. Almost 4 minute video.. Must be somewhat decent lock."
LPL: Shows 2 ways to open it in 1 second flat
Me: -_-
the most embarrassing thing is you don't need anything except gravity for first exploit.
@@pandabuluk You dont even need gravity. Just slam the corner into anything and the exploit will work.
@@pandabuluk Nah, could do it against the wall too with more force. Gravity just does some of the work for you.
@@mKnotify ruclips.net/video/otCpCn0l4Wo/видео.html
MacGyver style
I love these MacGyver lock picks! "I could have used an expensive lock pick but I had this stale dorito laying on my desk that was closer."
Pisses myself laughing at this 😂
It's meaningful, too. One of the big reasons to use a gun safe is to keep your children out of it so they don't end up making a really big mistake. But if a kid is curious about it, the notebook wire hack is something they could work out for themselves.
LMFAO, DORITO
Like the piece of Red Bull can tool.
You came up with that because you have stale Doritos on your desk! (
"This is the DropKickingLawyer."
Really appreciate how you are using everyday items to demonstrate weaknesses. Not everyone has a custom tool that bosnianbill and I made
"Knock knock, who's..."
*the box opens*
Good one 🤣
Too many knocks
"Knock knock, who's..."
"This is the LockPickingLawyer, and what I have for you today..."
It seems LPL has reached level 100 in lockpicking, which grants the perk: "lock picks no longer required to unlock simple locks"
In Fallout 3 and New Vegas at 100 lockpick skill you can force "Very Easy" locks with a 100% success rate.
just hit it on the corner and it pops open.
'picking a lock by dropping it'
Continue the "improved" picking.
now that's a lock even Linus could pick
Ben Snow LTT?
@@RayaanFaisal definetly
that's how I opened a safe at work when they forgot the combination.
Since the little latch needs inertia and thusly movement of the box, hitting it while it is fixed to the wall will not do anything.
I love that in this scenario he didn't even need a tool.
So I've seen him open a safe with a fork, a safe with a spoon, a gun trigger lock with a lego, a gun lock with a twig and a magnetic lock with a paperclip.
and many locks using one can of red bull.
Opening it with gravity, he doesn't need a tool but when he used the makeshift wire thing, that is basically a tool. Same with things like forks, spoons, and legos. Some monkeys use sticks for example to pick out ants from a log so in that example, the stick is being used as a tool. A tool is just anything that isn't an immediate extension of yourself that you use for a specific purpose so even if you clip a fingernail off and use that, it's still technically a tool.
"This is the LockPickingLawyer and what I have for you today is another disappointment"
Best commemt
I'm in this sentence and don't really like that
That should be his actual intro.
Yzma: “Why do we even HAVE that lever?!”
WRONG LEVERRRRRRRRRrrr
Azukar
I do believe this is the first time I’ve seen a quote from that movie on the internet.
excellent reference!
Looks like an opportunity for some Security Sponge.
Seriously, just a spring with more tension so the lever can't be moved so easily is needed.
LMAO dude, it could improve the security of the lock af 😂
Springload the lever significantly for the Drop Attack and weld the hole shut to not have a literal security hole.
@@upsidedown4155 man, security business doesn't work this way, if your product failed you lose buyers. Reason why they pick cheap solutions is lower risk.
@@upsidedown4155 also, a spring does not increase that much the cost
@@EliasMcCloud i know buddy its the other costs behind a simple spring, a weaker spring means when purchased in bulk they save money due to less weight in transportation and dispatch, plus they prob use the same spring on another product so even more cost cutting, then redesign, training the assemblers, i agree its stupid bit thats the nature of business if you can save a percent of weight on a part its more pure profit, there are 2 things in this world the ethical way where things are done right and the business way where its all about minimizing the over heads to so the ceo can pay for that new ferrari every other week
When the title said 'notebook' I though he was going the slap it with the notebook like hitting a puppy with a newspaper. "Bad safe, bad safe."
Well, he did give it a good slap with the table
Sad thing is, if he hit it while holding it at an angle (with his 3rd hand, of course) he could actually replicate the drop exploit.
why would you hit a puppy?? it's both a baby and a dog!
MacGyver: A paper clip, the inner tube of a bicycle wheel, an actual piece of human hair, chewing gum, and a potted plant
LockPickingLawyer: *tap it on it's side*
lol
That seems to be why we like LPL. HE'S BETTER THAN MACGYVER .
This IS the exploit .
This is why it works .
This is why you should avoid it .
He’s more like Rocket 🚀 in Guardians or the Galaxy. Or should I call you prisoner 8931P?
We are going to need that prisoners false leg 🦵.
Hey, please don't pick on MacGyver, he was the best media ever had, until they f*** him to death with the new series, RIP MacGyver, the money hating capitalist, the social NGO member and the weapon hating us-american. 💐
Someone should make a McGyver style theme video about Lpl
(Opens it the third time by dropping it)
ShotLock: STOP! STOP!!! HE'S ALREADY DEAD!!!
I can't wait for "This is the Lockpicking Lawyer and today I'm going to open a lock by yelling at it."
Hahahahahahahaha!
Nope, he'll Bob Ross the lock. LPL is too calm to yell.
Or Granny Weatherwax style
Just by glaring at it.
Like that scene in Johnny English where he tries to open the lock by whistling...
That doesn't sound like LPL. He would probably speak to it in a calm manner and it would just open. I'm sure my front door will open if he just smiles at it.
Sadly I still think this is one of the best small gun boxes you've shown us. A couple home mods and it's really good.
Normally, I’m like: “yeah... but LPL is a pro... so it’s a bit like saying it’s easy to play basketball if you’re LeBron.”
... but this is just ridiculous.
Yea most of these really extremely priced gun locks can be opened by very unskilled attacks.
How many did he just open with a 5€ magnet?
The stock just dropped to 10 cents per stock!
Lol
Nah, that's too much. A dime buys the entire business
Hate it that stock changes are shown in dollars absolute, not relative
and in doing so, opened the vault.
Lol
"Hi everyone I am the lock picking lawyer and today I will open this lock with gravity"
Inertia. Also works in space.
@@wocket42 I fear the day that we have to worry about space thieves
@@burnttoast6974 since internet is a signal that gets semt to and from space, are all internet thieves space thieves?
@@jongameaddict your computer sends requests for information, and then that information gets sent back to you. i dont think theres any theft in there?
@@burnttoast6974 no I'm saying that because of that, internet thieves are space thieves
This guy just gets better and better,never ceases to amaze me....always brings a smile to my day.
Here’s the notebook that BosnianBill and I used when designing the lock pick that BosnianBill and I made.
Erin Sherman I came here to say this too!
LOL, that's probably the same notebook BB & LPL used when they were in high school. Waaaaaaay back in time. =))
Scrolled comments looking for a Bosnian Bill reference. Not disappointed.
i have to compliment you. you really do know how to show your contempt for the bad locks.
I bet you can open the lock with a combination.
LPL: Hmmm, I never thought of that. Wouldn't that take longer though?
Thank you for the review. Looks like the drop one can be easily negated by bolting it down. For a quick access safe these are not too bad and very simple. No batteries required.
An almost 4 min video from LPL. Must have been a super hard lock to pick. ummm Nope.
It just took longer because he had to take it downstairs.
And don't forget he returned upstairs too.
@@tsunjin673 Plus he had to cut that wire out of the notebook ;)
And he showed two methods to open it.
So by using some math, the video without this all lasts like 1,5 min?
I subscribed to this channel even though I did not much care for lockpicking. Seeing people's passions and niche hobbies makes me very happy and I'm definitely gaining an interest.
You can just see the advertisement - "our lock is so good LPL didn't even try to pick it". Heh.
Pretty soon marketing departments will start putting on " LPL Approved"
That lock would sell like hotcakes!
@@RickSaffery my brain read that as "like Hotpockets"
@@RickSaffery until the day LPL accepts their challenge, that is.
"Honey, get me my gun someone breaking in"
"But dear I don't know the combination"
"Just drop it on its corner, it will open"
i would almost consider that a feature.
"Just drop it on its corner, it will open. That's faster anyway!"
FTFY
"gonna be using this Notebook wire that BosnianBill and I made..."
"Lets get the notebook that BosnianBill and I doodle in"
Gonna use this garage shelf that bosnianbill and I installed
Going to use this child that bosnianbill and I made.
"Gonna use the BosnianBill lockpick and I made."
Gonna be using this BosnianBill that a lock and I made
"This is the LockPickingLawyer, and today we're going to pick this lock with a breath of fresh air."
When you open the lockbox with the lockbox
*LockPickingLawyer:* I used the lockbox to destroy the lockbox. And it almost killed me...
RhinoBarbarian fool, the lockpickinglawyer cannot be killed!
"Where is the combination?"
"Gone, reduced to wires."
Your picking skills are impressive. Your ability to think of ways to exploit the weak spots in the various mechanisms you come across is amazing. I expect the manufacturer will be adding a spring to that lever to prevent your attacks if they see this video, if it wouldn't interfere with the normal operation of the lock.
Seriously, he's recommended to avoid so many things that I would just buy any lock and hope he's not around.
the best lock for steel box is a welder, LPL might have a chance to pick it
My takeaway is to assume that any lock is relatively easy to pick/bypass and plan accordingly.
@@billcook4768 True, no security is flawless. The only thing you can do is minimize attack vectors, and have multiple layers of protection, all depending on how valuable the thing you're trying to protect is, and how likely it will be attacked.
@@pvanukoff
Makes me imagine a thief bypassing a dozen locks through exploiting weaknesses, and when he/she opens the safe, a half eaten grilled cheese sandwich is the only thing stored there
If the lock is only susceptible to picking, I'd still go for it. (Not if you can rake it, though.) But if you can open it with such a simple attack like in this case - nah. Keep in mind, most thieves won't go through the trouble of picking a lock, but just dropping a box on its corner is way too easy.
Lpl: Complementing the box, its lock, and its backup lock.
Also Lpl: tap, click. There you go, one of three effortless ways to open this box
Me as a criminal: *breaks into office through window*
*sees safe*
*looks up lpl video on the safe and follows it like a step by step guide to picking it open*
@Yevhenii Diomidov Only youtube?
Well, at least the thief can look at some porn.
I'd love to see the faces of the officers looking at security footage and hear you say "nothing on one... two is binding... nothing on three... now back from the beginning"
@@andregon4366 i mean, we're not animals.. people need porn
You're crazy if you think you can do what LPL does just by watching a RUclips video.
Takes notepad out of office desk to pick it with, wondering why the tutorial siad to use it
It would be interesting to add tips how to fix the weaknesses, for the already-owners, like closing the hole (obviously) or replacing the spring holding the lever (can this be done without interfering with the regular opening mechanism?).
I would think even a dab of jb weld in that corner would be a big help.
Seriously, you need to start a secondary channel where you solve puzzles and puzzle boxes. Because of the way you find the most obscure exploits in things, you would probably solve puzzle boxes in record times.
Wow what a compliment from LPL. If I was the manufacturer of that lock box, I’d put a new core in it, weld that hole shut, and put some extra tension on that bar in hopes of a revisited review in the future. The price of it might go up, but if it meant a recommendation from LPL, it’s worth it.
have used and will continue to use your videos to help purchase locks. keep up the great work!
I have a Master 175 on my work locker.
@lockpickinglawyer
Just a consideration for a few easy fixes:
1) soldering the corner holes shut would end the wire bypass
2) possibly replacing the spring that engages that bar with a stronger tension could prevent the impact bypass, although this is less likely to work and more tedious than the product is worth
Will you please mention or do a series of videos on how to easily harden some of the locks like this? You mention that it is an easy fix. If this could be improved with a spring or some JB weld, it would be helpful for those that bought an item like this before seeing your review.
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Have someone add a welding point over the literal security hole to prevent the wire attack and have the lever Springloaded against the backwall of the housing to prevent or at least make the drop attack harder. Obviously the spring has to be attached in a way that it doesn't easily fly off when dropped.
@@Soonjai sounds like it needs a security sponge
I'm assuming LPL doesn't want to take on the liability of suggesting ways to add security to a product. (If he makes such a reccomendation and a thief steals your stuff anyway, you COULD sue.)
As for this particular product, the drop attack seems to only work if the safe can be dropped, so bolt it down. And the hole in the corner just needs to be plugged with something that can't easily be pushed aside, so yeah, JB Weld it. (I'm not worried about the aforementioned liability potential because if you do these things and your stuff still gets stolen, YOU should have done a better job of it :) )
@@Dwayne_Bearup Good point; I think that is completely valid. I guess it is up to us do discuss possible options (as long as that does not result in us being liable).
A particularly concise breakdown of the exploits and their cause.
I have never picked a lock nor do i intend to, but i love this channel for more reasons i care to type out.
Many thanks LPL. A friend rec’d one of these for Christmas and looks like a spot weld and bolting down will improve this significantly. Hopefully ShotLock will make a few easy mods to improve this box.
Brute force lockpicking. Fastest i've seen so far, lol
Interesting clip. I'd add that the purpose of this type of lock is not to prevent theft but rather to keep children or senile elderly from accessing a firearm. For that purpose, I think it is designed perfectly for the price.
I would really love to see an actually good product from time to time. I love his meme openings, but it’s starting to make me a little sad. There have got to be some really good quality, small production safes, bike lock, pad locks out there... right... guys... right!?
He and Bosnian Bill discussed their naughty buckets, where they put really tough locks. Any of those should be fine.
Locks are simply a deterrent
Maybe if you really wanted good luck you could use one of the padlocks which LPL has specifically shown their weaknesses. And you could just shorre up the weaknesses. Probably to achieve any kind of good luck you're going to have to do some modifications.
Top 10 nastiest key ways video
I understand that there are a couple videos that show hard to open locks. I’m simply asking for more. I’ve already seen all of those.
It is great that you make us aware of all the poor quality locks and safes but it would be nice if you could show us some products that are actually good.
*Me:* Box looks tough, must need a Ramset.
*LPL:* Hmm, I think I'll use a bit of wire today.
I'd like to see all his videos end with a Ramset attack.
I own an earlier model of this safe and I think it would be very helpful if you offered some home-brewed fixes for these problems so we can can fix the exploits.
I'm just pleased to hear the company provides the mounting holes at no extra charge 😁
And the screws :) (Of course, they should throw in a package of JB Weld as well LOL)
@@Dwayne_Bearup Heck you could probably tap the front with a hammer in the corners to bend the metal enough to close up those holes if nothing else.
@@mattriggs301 And that would probably be more secure, as JB Weld could potentially be shoved out of the way.
"You've seen me pick enough locks".
A point of some contention, I would think.
Can you do a video explaining how The Fonz could start a Jukebox just by slapping it on the side?
agree, this would be a good video
Must have been made by Master Lock
Because the writers said so.
Same idea, the shock would trip the lever that the coin was supposed to trip.
@@ke6gwf He once even did it over the phone, just by snapping his fingers.
So if you owned this box perhaps filling the gap on the corner with some epoxy would be a potential fix? it seems as if this was bolted down and then that section was epoxied it would be much harder to open. add some hot glue down into the keyhole cover it over with Bondo sand it down and repaint it and you'll end up with a removable way to guard against the lockpick
LPL: “We’ll take this down to the garage and show you how it’s done.”
Lock Box: “ *NOOOOOO!!!!! NOT THE GARAGE!!!!* “
LPL: “Okay, we’re back upstairs.”
Lock Box: shivers “Hehehehe I’m alive! *I’m ALIVE!!!!* “
Fried Pi 3.14159 “NNNOOOOO. NOT THE WIRE! please?! THAT’S A WAR CRIME! Gaaahjkodif tnlgurbtbfj.”
-every lock ever
@@collectiblesforyou1252 "Take him to Detroit!" "NOO! NOOOOO! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!"
Fried Pi 3.14159 😂😂 I guess that doesn’t happen much... usually the broken and shamed shards of the lock are all that make it back.
@@TWX1138 You have my gratitude.
Eh, the garage ain't so bad. It's when he heads out to the gunrange that you need to worry.
Great review, Can you recommend a way to fix this for people that have it mounted. I know many people that have this one. As you said the rest is a good product maybe it can be "salvaged". Some cement glue in that corner maybe?
I don’t know why this is satisfying
I don't know either, but feel the same way. It's what brings me back for more.
The fact that you can remove the screws while the box is secured would also be a problem, correct? Even if you seal the holes at the bottom, all you have to do is remove that screw on the left and you have access to the bar again.
To locks, “Let’s go down to the basement...” is like, “It puts the lotion on its skin...”
Or it gets the exploit again!
@@KirkHermary well played sir
Thanks for the update just put some PL construction glue in all corners on my model.
I must say I’ve got one & now I need to address that hole myself. Thank you. I wish there was a stamp on locks stating “lock picking lawyer approved “
That sounds like a million dollar power endorsement to me.
On the bright side
Compared to most of the other so called gun safes featured. This one can still be bought and used effectively.
Bolt it down to prevent dropping attacks
and it seems their is plenty of room to jb weld or otherwise block that hole and add a physical barrier on the inside.
As far as the combination bypass key I do believe LPL said it was a mechanical combination so I would probably epoxy the core shut and destroy the keys if I could not find a way to install a more robust core in it.
LOL when I read notebook, I've thought of a laptop computer 😂
I thought he meant the paper
@@AstolfoGayming the next video could be a paper bypass 😂 like "cutting unhardenned shackles with paper"
You can probably hit it with a notebook computer or a paper notebook to get it open :-)
Same
Underaged zoomer
I bought this exact model box before i saw the review. I attempted to recreate the drop test with an EMPTY box and couldn't get it to open 20+ times. I took it apart and mechanism looks similar. I'm gonna cut the lever shorter and plug the hole with epoxy putty, hide the box and call it good.
I've been considering this safe for car and travel with a good cable (if there is such a thing). Just curious how short you cut the lever (cut off 1/2?, 1/3?, etc) and if it created any problems that I would need to be aware of. Any advice would be helpful.
@@Laughinghawg I never got around to cutting the lever. If I couldn't get it to open by slamming it I figured why bother. I have it in an awesome hide spot no little hands are going to suspect I hid it there. I think it is a good box for the money.
I don’t understand why these companies don’t have a locksmith on the payroll to test the design before it goes to manufacturing .
They probably do. It's not their goal to deliver maximum security but to deliver most profit for the owners of company. So they create 'good enough' for particular definition of 'good' and just sell it. And frankly speaking, if a thief can steal your safe they will cut through eventually and if it's mounter, they could have used a crowbar etc. Or it would be a serious piece of safe box for serious money. Not many customers for such a product, I guess.
It does its job - when mounted it protects against random opening by kids. A kid determined enough would use a crowbar anyway so the notebook exploit is interesting but not really a distaster. I would say it's quite a safe and the only thing I would modify would be that actuator inside - I would add a better spring so it does resist a bit.
Sir, I don’t think it’s so much that the products are bad… It’s because you are a super genius!!
You can literally open it by dropping it by accident
José Gaming OK, granted on this particular lock. What about the hundreds of others that he’s opened like they weren’t even there
Lock: Exists
LPL: So you have chosen, death
You're a legend LPL. Beautiful deconstruction of a half decent product, hopefully they'll follow through and make changes. Hell, if they were wise they might even consult you or send you V2 to test. A glowing recommendation on video from you would go a long way these days.
Thanks, I was considering getting one of these for small objects like flash drives
So now that you know the security weaknesses of this particular product you can make it stronger. Just put some JB Weld in that hole and then bolt it to a shelf.
@@Dwayne_Bearup that's a good idea. I was just thinking of writing off the whole thing as a piece of junk. Though it's a bit irksome to have to finish the company's job for them.
You should encrypt your data in the flash drives instead of locking them in. Much more secure.
It’s not critical data, but valuable enough that I don’t want someone to just walk off with it. We have cloud backup as well.
I have the shotgun version of this. I'm not worried about the dropping vulnerability as mine is bolted to the wall. Even the wire vulnerability would be pretty tricky to pull off because of where it is.
That being said, I'm going to fill that little hole just to be sure. Easy enough. Might as well, right?
"Solo Vault"
Only needs a solo minute to get in, including time spent making the tool.
These videos are great for learning about what to avoid, but it would be nice to know some LPL approved alternatives to the locks and products shown. It makes it seem like there are not any good quality small gun safes.
You could even make your suggestions affiliate links so you could make some spare cash on the side, if you really wanted to.
As usual, a device intended for safety and security is made unsafe and insecure because of cost-cutting measures. Would it seriously have cost THAT much extra to weld the corners shut?
My thoughts exactly.
hell you can fix this easily enough with a hammer, I would think.
I'm still trying to figure out what are the parts that the company got right....the colour scheme....the density of the plastic knob......the price was certainly right for them and I imagine there's a rush of returns to Amazon after this video.
As always thanks and Cheers from Canada North
Dammit, I own this thing. lol I was going to request you review it, and voila, imagine my surprise. Thanks for doing this one, true public service.
to be fair all you have to do is fill the holes
It's perfect to keep sticky fingers from lifting important items.
eg; It's not really meant to be fort-knox. It's to keep would-be easy-picking thieves from just picking up money or items and walking away. Sure, they COULD run the risk of picking it, or trying to take the entire box-- or breaking it... all of which are LOUD usually, very time-consuming or just dangerous if you get caught.
It's like the stupid dinky locks on food-shelves, keeps kids out or atleast makes it hard enough and loud enough for parents to notice. This little thing does it's job nicely and by no means should be considered a end-all-be-all solution.
I keep spare ammo/mags/cleaning supplies in seperate smaller safes inside the big safe. It just slows someone down... better to have a shitty safe that makes someone think, hesitate or work for 1 minuet rather than none at all! :)
@@aandyherr817 Some epoxy in the holes and bolt it down should be enough. If its cheap it might be worth it
If you have one of these, you could easily put a piece of metal in to defeat the wire attack. You could also bolt it down. That would solve 2 of the 3 problems with really not too much effort. He did say that the lock was better than some. So really, for a negligible amount you could fix the big issues with this.
I believe 1:02 - 1:20 is what's known in the industry as "rubbing it in."
I am thinking of hardening this thing and here's what I got:
- Remove the key lock core and fill the hole after it by welding a piece of metal to cover it, leaving the code as the only way to open it.
- Bolt the thing down so the gravity atrack won't be possible.
- Similarly, weld a piece of metal over the hole used for the wire exploit.
Am I missing something?
How on earth does he figure this stuff out?
Does he just hit every lock he has just in case
he dropped it Linus style!
He buys the locks, takes them apart and learns how they work, and then he figures out how to exploit it. By knowing how something works and how it's designed you can easily figure out how to bypass or exploit it.
I imagine he opened it, saw how easily that lever moved, and progressed from there.
I'm sure he would have already opened up the lock to check it out, saw that little bar, and said "hey, here's a video".
He probably dissembles stuff first and looks for vulnerabilities. Once you see the insides, you see the flaws.
I knew about the impact vulnerability on those cheapo safes they sell at the big box DIY store. And for a while I thought that bolting it down would fix that weakness, but depending on where the lock is in the assembly, even if it's bolted down, hitting it with a deadblow can still jostle that bar enough to allow you to spring the lock. As the holes tend to be slightly oversized.
I wouldn't be surprised if this box could still be opened by hitting it on the back with a hammer, even if it was bolted down.
Sometimes I wonder how this dude finds bypasses like this? Like, this is such a specific action to perform, its like he had to discover this on accident.
It's like speedrunners who spend hours in games trying to find very specific hitbox glitches or places they can clip through the map to win faster.
probably mostly by opening the lock "correctly" and peeking at the internals first and testing the ones that might work
I am continually amazed at the ease at which just about any of these "security" items can be defeated.
Quick question: Have you ever picked a lock by ear?
*Long* story ahead:-
I had to pick the lock to the key safe outside the flats I lived in so I could gain access to the main building, and thus my flat which was inside. The housing agency denied me access to the main door of the building because I didn't accept the terms of the new contract they served to me. I contended it, so they changed the main door lock and gave everyone, who signed the new contract, a key... except for me.
Since I was already inside the flats when they changed the lock on the main door, I decided to go down at night and crack the key safe code _(it was a mechanical lock where you needed to depress certain buttons to unlock the key safe, not in any specific order)._ Since I'm a sound engineer, I have very good listening skills. I could hear the difference in the sound the lock made when holding the "clear" button while pressing each number individually.
It took me about 2 mins to crack the lock. The housing agency had no idea how I was getting in and out. It was quite exhilarating, knowing I could circumvent their measures to try to prevent me from entering the flats where I f***ing lived, and where I hadn't gone against any contractual obligations. Large corporations sometimes have no empathy for individuals when it comes to taking their rights away ("right to privacy" in my case).
P.S. The new contract would allow them an _"unfettered right of access",_ meaning they could access the property at any time, even without knocking. They wanted a locksmith to remove the deadlock from everyone's front doors. I declined and left it locked. Totally wrong, and I'm so glad I stood my ground.
Surely a spot of epoxy or tiny weld if you have a welder. Even a small self tapping screw inside then the excess sticking outside ground off? However, the manufacturer should make the very small change to fix this.
Love your video's and voice
LPL: "How can I humiliate a company today?"
Drop their shit.
I think a pick and gut would have been ideal. At that price I would have liked to have seen if a end user fix would be viable. Maybe a heavier spring and a cover for that lever, combined with some security pins, this may still be a good purchase for someone handy or even for someone who might already own one.
Hey LPL, I've been following you for a while and love your vids, especially those collabs with Bill a little while back. Do you think you could make a video or playlist that has locks you DO suggest, particularly gun locks/safes and specifically an easy access lock/safe for a handgun. It seems that by their nature most easy access products can be easily defeated one way or another by a determined attacker. I would really appreciate it, and I think other people would too. Your opinion carries a lot of weight.
Bolt it down, seal the holes with a little jb weld, and if you're worried about picking you could seal the override lock as well and only use the code lock. It's not a perfect solution but it's a solution.
that would work, but if you're in a car then having it bolted down means you can't discretely lock the gun up.
[2000]
Lock opened FAST by staring at it
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Lock opened in 3sec by only using any key's shadow
Well, easy fixes: JB Weld on the holes at the corner. A stiffer spring on the unlocking bar. He already said the lock, while pickable, was better than most, and the mechanical push buttons require correct entry sequence. It looks like the manufacturer was trying to make a decent box, but missed a couple of things out of ignorance. I hope LPL reached out to them with his suggestions to make it better.
One day, I fully expect to hear from the other side of the house; "This is the Lock Picking Lawyer, and I just opened your front door...in any case, that's all I have for you today".
This sounds like the people who want Gordon Ramsey to Curse Them Out as they cook it would be a dream come true if I ever got that experience
I'd be interested in a video where you go through how you assess a new product and determine its vulnerabilities!
Looking at it I can't see a reason to have that lever. Why was it designed with it in the first place?
I wonder the same.
So customer service can tell you how to pick it open. Same reason they left the hole open I bet
I assume it works with the push button in some way, but I don't see a reason for it to be that long.
I wonder if you could cut a portion of that to make it more secure?
This company likely has a different model of gun safe which requures that unlock tab to be that long, so rather than stock multiple parts for their various products they use identical parts for all, without ever considering the weaknesses this practice imparts to their other products.
Love all your videos. Amazing work. I wonder if the box is bolted down. You said you can't drop it on the corner. I'd like to try hitting the corner or face of the box. With a hammer or something. To see if you can set off the twist like. With a little blunt force. If you can't lift the box.
As the great attorney Jackie Chiles once said- “that’s outrageous and egregious”
Have you ever considered attaching a contact mic to the lock body so we can listen along with the clicks? Mixing the audio would be a little more effort but it might be an interesting addition to the videos.