The Best (and Worst) Quick Access Safes for Rifles and Shotguns
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- If you want to securely store a rifle or shotgun but still have access to it at a moment's notice, one of these quick-access safes might be just what you're looking for. In this review, we're looking at six different long gun storage solutions ranging in price from $150-400.
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That's a very honest review! "Here are some options, but... they all kinda suck..."
mnharris10 lmao just about to say the same thing
It seems like the only decent option was the enhanced, in-wall version of the v-line safe. Obviously that comes with a much higher price tag and an installation hassle, but if I own my own house that would definitely be my go-to option. It seems to check all the right boxes of convenience, reliability and concealability. In fact, being in the wall is actually a pretty decent advantages you could easily have some kind of hinged painting or mirror in front of it and completely hide it from view. I wonder why the company doesn't just simply make an outside of the wall version as well
In other words, being cheap will cost you in the long run. Spend the cash a get a REAL safe.
Well it depends on your use case. These are great for keeping kids and drinks away from your guns. The electronics are fine, frequently. Most thieves go for quick opportunities that are readily presentable. A safe hidden under the bed isn't that
Mr G : But how many REAL safes are even close to "quick access". Seems to me that was the whole point of this video.
Like my father used to say "Locks aren't meant to keep criminals out. They're made to keep honest people honest." Also from my personal experience when buying a safe, It's not about buying a safe that someone can't get into. It's buying time to keep the robber long enough that you might catch him or a neighbor report it or buying time against a house fire. No safe is unbeatable just some are tougher to get in.
Yes, I agree. Ideally, your safe is just one layer of home security. If you have an alarm system or vigilant neighbors, it cuts down on the amount of time a thief has to defeat your security devices. But if they know they have as much time as they need, no safe or lock is sufficient.
I got what I thought was a screamin' good deal on a 5x7x6 1/2 foot safe that was made in France, with German fireproofing. Paying $2000 for a safe I can sleep in, seemed great, but not many American lock & safe experts know how to work on a French made safe. It also cost me about $5000 to move and install such a monster, and by the time it had been moved the tumblers were all knocked out of alignment. I finally got them all reset and aligned for a new four number combination, and am thinking, "It's all good now", but, it's not! The safe has a triple alarm system, and a dehumidifier desicant ventilation system that has to be wired into an old telephone company landline, so there goes $60 a month + $40 per month for monitoring fees. I managed to spoof the alarm/ventilation system and converted it to a mind numbingly loud audible alarm. The power went out, and I had a 120 dB bell ringing on each side of my house, and a 98 dB bell ringing behind the safe. I'll guess I'll have to the fix that too. I will put in a keypad and a lockable switch. I am going with a padlockable explosion proof switch, and a $260 Medeco padlock. If I do ever find a Sargent & Greenleaf nuclear weapons locker padlock with any extra keys, I'll use it.
For 99% of criminals a large scale high quality safe is unbeatable, just a heads up.
Picture this, you break into someones home and find some nice valuables, a good TV, some jewellery and phones. Easily a grand worth of easy pickings, so you go upstairs and find the master bedroom has a safe mounted to the wall, you know its a gun safe because of the markings. Would you prefer to spend an hour or so prying a safe off of a wall to get a gun that could potentially be worth only a few hundred dollars or the TV, jewellery and phones to sell them and buy yourself a brand new gun?
No safe is safe ironically, they're entire purpose is just to discourage would be thieves and make their life as difficult as possible.
The overwhelming majority of American burglaries occur in the middle of the day while everyone is out at work or school, and involve quickly stuffing a backpack full of whatever valuable-looking stuff you can grab as fast as you can and leaving.
Even a shitty safe that would require simple tools and several minutes of time to break into is a huge benefit, because 99.99% of thieves aren't willing to invest that much time into stealing something. They'd rather jam your Xbox, laptop, and jewelry into their bag and bolt.
Edit to add: This is especially effective if your safe doesn't obviously look like a gun safe, and could just as easily hold your important documents. Depending on the circumstances, a burglar MIGHT find it worthwhile to take the ten minutes to pry open a safe that they can tell has a gun in it. But they aren't going to make any money selling off somebody's passport and MediCare records.
Now we want to see these puppies reviewed by LockPickingLawyer.
No, no I really don't think we do. Lol
The problem with his videos although I haven’t dug through all of them but from what I’ve seen he’s at such a high level of lock picking that he can pick literally any lock on the market. If you judge a lock based on his reviews I don’t think you’ll ever be satisfied with any lock lol. But really I assume 99% of criminals don’t even have basic lock picking abilities. Muchless the ability to pick more complex locks like on gun storage options. Most of them tend to be rather dumb. If they were smart they would’ve chose another lifestyle to avoid having to steal for a living lol.
LockPickingLawyer: Watch as I use a limp spaghetti noodle to open all these fire arm safes.
The rest of us: 🙀
@@Mr_Glock19 what are you gonna do, get the locks that he didnt review? thats even more foolish. From time to time he is surprised to find locks that are better than the rest of the locks in the price range
@@Mr_Glock19 I agree that the dude is stupid good, and the chances of the person trying to get into your safe being that good are slim to none. On the flip side, if a lock takes him 1.5-2 min, it's a champ.
Hello! This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today we have several small safes presented on the Lucky Gunner.
*10 seconds later.....*
So in conclusion I cant recommend any of these to secure weapons.
a brief summary of damn near every lpl video ever
I took over the bathroom linen closet and turned the entire thing into a cabinet with a magnetic lock. Best safe is one that doesn’t look like one in the first place👍🏼
A lot of crooks smash walls with hammers now, looking for gun caches.
Ive had a digital wall safe in our bedroom closet for 15 yrs, use it daily for my duty and secondary pistols, paid under a $100 , never had an issue, your mileage may vary
Just bought a mossberg 500. Looking like I'll just have to hang it high on the wall and hope we only have short burglars around here.
Yeah, the one he said was best was not acceptable at all. These seem like their just local law compliant but not actually good to protect your investment.
@@Juicetheeunuch if you have a tv on the wall and your safe takes at least 5 minutes to get into they'll almost certainly take the tv and leave.
Thats where DYI comes in. Just make your own gun shelf like the ones tactical walls makes. People have already done it.
Represent Minnesota
Exactly. Subtlety is the best security.
Yeah if I ever become a homeowner I plan on doing a tactical walks type safe. I'll build it myself because it's WAY cheaper and I can build it stronger
*DIY
All of these were designed by FUDD's. No optics, no 30 round mags, no side saddles, no lights, no ghost ring sights.
And have the RFID put into a ring you wear at all times. That's what I did. Works perfectly with tactical walls.
Actually, the _Snapsafe XL_ is more than a little larger than the 6"Hx40"W standard model underbed unit. Mine is 7"Hx48"Wx24"D overall. Lots of room inside for several guns, ammo, and other valuables. Very impressed with mine after 5 months.
Great video! It's good to discuss this stuff now. Later it will probably be legally required.
Nightstand it is
ichor20 what kind of nightstand fits a rifle?
Just lean the rifle up against a wall
The AR sleeps between my wife and I in our bed....with it's own pillow...sort of like a dog or a small child.
Right
TwoFor Roughing ain’t you a real tough guy
Great point about visibility/temptation.
The V Line Closet Vault II almost looks like a maintenance panel. You're spot on that installation would be troublesome (to put it politely) but for closets, garages; that's an awesome option (if at an expensive price point).
Thank you for your comprehensive review. Your information is clearly and completely stated without hesitation or repetition. Again, thank you! I do wonder what is available in a higher cost bracket.
Let’s use the word safe with care. There is a difference between a real safe and an access denial device. One keeps them secure from theft and fire. Others keep them out of the hands of kids but still allowing it to be accessible for immediate access
Best comment here. Fast access safes aren't safes. They are locking boxes. They are very good for the intended purpose, but they are not products that provide burglary or fire resistance. They are great to keep a child out. They might keep a meth head out if they spend a few minutes banging on it with their fists. But someone with small, basic hand tools can break into these things in a minute or two or less.
Would like to see an updated video on this same subject!
I’ve watched this video 3 times now. Tons of good points. Really value your opinion and your search for good information keep it up! Love it!
Excellent presentation. I have been searching the market for a storage case for a shotgun, with easy access for awhile now, and the ones that you presented are not only very practical, but affordable. Thank you for the time you put into this video.
Got a holster bolted to the back of my bed board between my matress and board near my head. Not visible at all and very quick acess at night/ during foreplay ;)
nothing like a loaded pistol for foreplay 😂
I wish Fort Knox would make that shotgun safe in a drawer-style, or at least have the door on the long side. The construction and lock look good, but it seems like it'd be hard to grab your shotgun quickly in a home invasion.
I bought my brother an in-wall Stack On gun safe for $49. He mounted it in the closet of his home office. It does you need a key to open, but it is a very well hidden safe for his AR and Maverick 88. It’s white and blends in with sheet rook real well in the dark. He has a very clever place he hides the key too. He only has a shot gun, a rifle, and his carry pistol so it’s a great fit for him.
I got a shot-lock years ago because of the reasonable price and mechanical lock. I agree about the visibility thing, but if someone is already messing around in our bedroom I don't think hidden is going to be a deterrent at that point.
I had to drop the rear sight for clearance reasons as you mentioned in the video, but there was no issue with attaching a light laser combo on the left forward rail (for thumb activation).
Glad you did not point out some obviously better option I would then have to run out and buy.
I love my Shotlock. Solid, secure enough and very easy to use. My car safe, uses the same Simplex lock with the same combination. No batteries either.
I don't have kids nor do small children come over. Rarely does anybody come over. I personally keep my self defense rifle locked and loaded in a guitar stand in the corner of my room, right behind me at all times. It's on the second floor and not in sight of a window, even if you could look into it from the second floor. Seeing how all of these seem to suck in one way or another, that only reinforces my choice.
Probably not the best idea to tell people where you keep your guns
Rarely does anybody come over? You sound like an exciting dude.
Are there any plans for reviews of vehicle safes? I'd like to be able to keep a firearm in my car without someone being able to just smash the window or pry open the trunk and take it.
Most of the pistol safes we reviewed can work as car safes: ruclips.net/video/6C2-UPEQDTo/видео.html
If you want a large vehicle safe for rifles and shotguns, take a look at TruckVault.
Steven I like Hornadys Rapid access AR gun locker. It holds two long guns. I have one mounted in my trunk and I use it to secure a pistol and a lever action rifle.It’s worked pretty well for me and as I recall it cost around $300.
Console Vault also makes truck safes that work great in my F-150 for pistols as well as other model trucks and some cars.
Yea just don’t do it
@snoopy dubnation They'll break into your car just in case it might have something valuable in it.
I have the barska. Never had issues with it. Opens up 100% of the time. I replace batteries once a year
So basically, someone needs to make that drawer setup with a simplex lock and everything’s golden. I want an under the bed storage option.
I would have to mount it up to the bottom side of the mattress frame. My wife leaves cloths on the floor so that would cause problems
Sounds like there is a need for another option with a Simplex lock.
@David Stairs Like the Secureit Fast Box?
Still only about halfway through the video. But it's nice to see someone review something actually in their possession; so many people review items by merely looking up specs and reviews and showing stock photos.
Unfortunately in South Australia (where I live) Guns can not be Used for Personal Protection (unless you're a Licensed Security Officer) and not for Property Protection at all.
Under Our Gun Laws, storing a Gun with a Bolt loaded and Ammunition in a Loaded Magazine is Completely Illegal and if detected during an Inspection would cost Me My Gun Licence and Confiscation of all My Guns and Ammunition.
For Us it's Gun in One Steel Box, Ammunition in another Steel Box and Bolts in a Third Steel Box (with Assembly being Required before Gun were Operational and just try loading a Magazine in a High Stress Situation; it simply wouldn't work.
You Guys are just so Lucky.
How sad, to think that its difficult to protect your home and property.
Michael O'Donoghue what do you mean during a inspection
If they don’t find the body, then no problem
Inspection? People just random come to your house to inspect your dwelling? I dont even lock my handgun up at night i live alone. I just keep it close by while sleeping
sooo sad
How is it possible that there’s only two manufactures making long gun simplex “safes”
Fort Knox and v-line
Great video, keep them coming. Try out the hidden furniture type units or more long gun units until you find a stand out and hopefully the industry notices the feedback
Those are some viable options for a variety of income levels and personal needs. But if anyone feels the need for firearm access during their sleeping hours, my personal experience has taught me (been there, done that) that any time delay in accessing that firearm could change the outcome of a personal protection event. Waking up and processing what is going on, requires a lot of time in the grand scheme of things. One needs to be able to grab their firearm (with a light mounted on it) and be ready to address the breech/threat, immediately. Keeping a firearm on a nightstand, on the floor next to the bed, on a rack mounted between the mattress and box springs, or someplace similar, is the only way to go. Of course, some customizations have to be made for specific family needs, and that's exactly what this video conveys. The caveat is, maybe *nothing is better when it comes to an intermediate, "one or few gun" safe. Thanks for the video.
I couldn't agree with this review more. When looking for a quick access safe, I immediately decided against any electronic locking mechanisms for failure/battery issues. I decided to go with V Line. I have both the long gun and shotgun version. Easy to open, reliable lock system. But as he stated, they are not anti theft safes. They could be pried open easily. They are there to keep children from gaining access. Luckily, they are thin enough that I was able to easily mount them to the wall in an inconspicuous area.
I have a combination lock that I'll put the first 2 numbers in and leave the last one 3 or 4 spins away takes me a second to open it when I leave the house I rest the dial and boom no need for electronic nonsense.
My car safe is a V-line underdesk. Mounted it upside down beneath the rear seat. It comes in handy.
I've had the VLine safe for a couple of years, and I like the quick access mechanical lock.
I’m at a loss as to why these safe manufacturers don’t offer safe options (like the Hornady or Shotlock options especially) that accommodate firearms with popular accessories like side saddles, lights, optics, etc.
I,m old school , keys are best for me , when I get home unlock it for quick access , before I leave lock it , I know its not perfect but I don't worry about cheap electronics/leaky battaries ;-)
BARSKA is the worst! The finger print reader broke within 2 months and now I am using the key. You have to secure the BARSKA safe to the wall or it will fall and hurt or kill you. It is very unstable.
I was able to rake the shotlock open as fast as I could with the key. Basically 3 seconds and a bobby pin gets you what you want.
If I was going to use the Shotlock, I'd fill the key hole with super glue or find another way to disable it.
@@LuckyGunner open up the lock and tac weld some pins in place so it looks like its still functional from the outside. un-pickable lock!
Are there any that you would suggest that are in the higher price range? Can you do a video on that?
why not unlock it when you go to bed assuming its in your bedroom that way if someone breaks in you are ready to rock. then lock it when you wake up in the morning
Home invasions don't just happen at night.
true but thats when you rely on the ccw. just a thought. keep up the good work love the channel
I'll keep it unlocked while am at h8me and close when I'm off to work
albert marian gamer that's just asking for you to forget it, and leave the house with it unlocked, or be home when you need it and forget for it to be locked. Relying on a system like this is just bad human engineering. It's a much better idea to simply find a safe that works.
Todd Krasick That's exactly how I use my Snapsafe XL. Touching toes on a partly extended drawer in the AM reminds me to shut and lock. It's a really good unit, and nice to grab a long gun just by reaching down while still in bed. Instant access at other times is not a big concern...I keep handguns in living areas & on my person.
As always, a good video. I appreciate the honesty of your reviews.
I bought a key lock Sports Afield 6 gun cabinet. It's way weak but I keep it in my shop which is fortified with a security door, alarms and barred windows that I built myself.
The Shotlock and "rack" type security devices are more appropriate for a business or office than a "home security" device...
That said, they're handy for securing/hiding a gun in a closet, some place out if sight where there may not be room for a full safe, even a single gun size. I've seen one mounted inside a closet, horizontally over the door frame. You have to go in, turn around and reach up to get the weapon. Nobody thinks to look up there and it's hard to leverage it loose, even if they found it. These devices do have their place, behind the door in a "security" office (where the safe and daily business is done), in a vehicle, etc.. Andcto address your concerns about nothing securing the muzzle from being pried, just take a piece of aluminum which is 2-3" wide and about 4" long, bend it at a 90° in the middle, drill a hole in the,middle of one side big enough to put the muzzle of the gun through, then drill a couple of holes in the other half just big enough to put a lag bolt through and (pre-drill) run the bolts into a stud at the right level where you slide the muzzle through the hole and lock the gun down. Basically just make the same sort of bracket they'd give you if they weren't cheap (like the one product had). It's easy to make a bracket.
Had something similar to the V line and When somebody broke into my house while I was at work they were able to pry the bottom open and steal all my guns. Don't get a safe in less it locks in 3 places
@Paladin Stacker probably, had a home security system and they bypassed it... it was a really old system. Had 2 big dogs, they gave them gum mixed with something to make them sleep, I know that cause the dogs threw up what seemed like 5 packs of gum. Tge safe was secured, but could have been better.
@David Stairs Dogs for me are more of an early alert. Most of the my dog is aware of someone outside the home before my cameras are. I'm the protection with my shotgun. This is what dogs are really good for.
@@johnouellet8700 Bullshit flag thrown. So, they gave your dogs something to make them sleep? Did they plan on waiting at least a half hour before it was absorbed into their system and actually made them fall sleep? How did they bypass the alarm system? Maybe cut the phone line - which is defeating the system, not bypassing it. You make it sound like he Oceans 11 crew broke into your home. Must be a nice mansion.
I like the under bed storage with large sliding drawer the most. Bolted down, of course, and only for non-emergency access.
I used to just keep the rifle under the bed and the carry piece on the nightstand. Then I had kids. After that I modified the bed frame to hide the rifle. I keep a mag in a pistol safe (along with the M&P 40) in the nightstand. That's also where I dump the rest of my EDC like my watch, wallet, Fenix PD35 and phone (drilled a hole in the back for the charging cord). This forces me to access the safe EVERY NIGHT and, more importantly, every MORNING when my alarm goes off (when I'm sleepy). I also need to access the safe in the middle of the night if the phone rings (happens often enough in my line of work). This builds muscle memory. I can literally open that damn thing in my sleep. After all, there's no point having a safe in your room if you can't get into it in a hurry.
Thank you for this informative post. I was in big hope that you would have shown a product suitable for my Bullpup shotgun. Only because their popularity is so great right now. Thank you once again.
Thank you, great video. Not sure what I should do 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Thanks for the thorough, objective reviews.
Ok, good review, what better ones are available for the greater than $400 cap?
I really appreciate these videos, I recently bought the Fort Knox Pistol Box and am very happy with that (and it came with a Front Sight class for FREE!) Great Points on all of these.
The SecureIt Fast Box is well designed and can be mounted in a vehicle if desired. I also have been using a Verifi pistol safe with a fingerprint reader for over a year. This one has a high end reader, and has never failed to read my fingerprint once. It gets used twice daily, and I trust it.
You're right that mechanical locks are overall more durable, as there are less things to fail. However the one thing to keep an eye on with some button style mechanical locks, is the paint on the side of the buttons will show wear marks over time, if there's any rubbing contact. I've "cracked" some before by just looking for the wear. Just something to check and keep an eye on.
Interesting... thanks for the tip, I had not heard of that before.
I have the first one and I have had 0 issues with it. I ve owned it for a year and thumb print works every time and it also has a silent mode so that it doesn't alert to anyone
You should have included in your discussion if they had a fire protection rating.
As far as the snapsafe under the bed safe goes - if you take the drawer out to use the cable or to bolt it down, good luck ever getting the drawer back in. I tried for hours to get the drawer back in until the rails finally bent. I called Midway (where I bought it) who passed me to Honrady (who at some point bought the snapsafe brand) and I got a replacement. However, now im too afraid to take the drawer out so its essentially a heavy carrying case if anyone chose to try to steal it. Seemed like a good idea, but in practice the mechanical parts are too fragile to ever be able to secure it properly.
It's amazing that there are so many bad or "just adequate" options out there, not just for gun safes, but for various products for the gun community. The gun industry really needs a visionary like Steve Jobs or Elon Musk.
the gun industry is very lucky it desn't have dumpster fires like jobs or musk that I know of
If Hornady quit the stupid electronics and did a Simplex lock it would be a great option.
the secure it 52 is also really good looking!
Love this video. I have my eye on the AR shot Lock for a while now. When I was a bachelor my AR was my go to HD gun but now that I'm married with step kids I keep my M&P full size in a pistol safe next to the bed. I would really like to use the Shot Lock in such a way that it is concealed in a cabinet or behind my clothes in the closet.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Tactical Walls and other such concealment storage options. I think this is worthy of a video.
I think they are a viable option if you're willing to pay for them. But they ain't cheap.
Price and installment excluded, would you say they are reliable enough?
You criticized all the electronic systems in the safes in this video.
Would you say that the purely mechanical original Tactical Walls units, that worked via magnets and no electronics, are better than the electronic RFID newer versions?
I haven't seen the RFID versions. I have limited experience with one of the magnet-based shelf units, but it seemed reliable (though probably not as robust as a Simplex lock). I don't particularly like the idea of having to rely on the magnetic "key" (or RFID tag) being where I think I left it last. So whether it's more reliable than an electronic lock is kind of dependent on my memory.
That's a very fair point. Thank you for your thoughts, time, and consideration!
@@tag1out Isn't that a bit like hiding your house key under the welcome mat? Kids and newbies are the only types that only grab items in plain view and they more than likely aren't interested in guns. Experienced one's are familiar with most hiding spots people use.
I wish the sentry safe HDC11E defense center was still available, it was expensive but def my favorite design.
Good honest review. Do you have any experience with the SecureIt Fast Box? I’m considering it and would use it vertically, in-wall/secured-to-stud and hidden by a mirror. The V-line options look like a “close-but-no-cigar”, and the SnapSafe is horizontal only, which is not what I want. Downside to SecureIt is it’s not fire-proof. I have 2 pistols and plan on building an AR this year. I need something in the “middle” but everything I see out there is either huge for tons of rifles or small for handguns only. Fast Box is the only “middle” option I’ve seen so far. Thanks much!
How about doing a ideo on concealment shelf as there are several on the market .
I think that be drawer would work for me. Not so much for the quick access so much but definitely for another firearms I don't used on a daily. I don't have a lot of space, so a big gun safe isn't really in the cards right now, nor am I really in a position to get a bunch of guns anyways. But for range stuff or a rifle or shotgun that I'm not using for home defense, I would definitely go with the big under bed safe. Great vid!
Great review as always on a subject that doesn't get a lot of attention. Another option while not really a "safe" is the Tactical Wall 1450. It is childproof and with a magnet or RFID release mechanism it is super fast to open and because it just looks like a mirror I highly doubt any criminal would realize it is a safe. There is the installation factor but if you can hang a picture on the wall then you can install it in about 15 minutes and your wife gets a full length mirror as a bonus!
The Tactical Walls mirror might be a good solution, but it does have to be installed *inside* the wall, meaning you have to cut a big hole in the drywall and attach it to the studs. It's not the hardest thing to do, but a bit more involved than hanging a picture, and fairly permanent.
You are correct, sorry I should have mentioned I have one and while equating it to hanging a picture is a bit of an exaggeration its not by much. I'm not very handy but the kit is so easy I was able to do it in 15 minutes and love the ability to move the magnets so you can put stuff just where you want it and it stays put. Definitely a big hole to patch if you plan to move and don't want to leave it behind though! My location worked out perfect but if you have wiring or duct work running through your wall where you want it you are out of luck, another drawback. Again thanks for the great video, I used your handgun safe video to find the best pistol safe for me now that I just had my first kid and I couldn't leave my daily carry gun just in the drawer of my nightstand at night.
It's the massive safe where you keep the ammo and most of the guns... it's the loose timber like wall or floor plank or secret cavity in the innocent-looking writing desk where you keep the loaded quick access defense weapons.
When I was a kid, my buddy had a simplex lock on his garage door. I cracked it after trying now and then (he tried too). My point is that kids will eventually crack a simplex lock.
@Dfailsthemost, exactly my concern. If anyone has extended access to the lock with limited buttons for an extended period that you want to absolutely not have access, like kids, do not get the 5 or 10 button combinations.
I just bought the Barska safe because I just got my first gun and have 4 kids in the house. I already have a 5 button lock on the pantry with 2 4 digit codes and my 9 year old girl has cracked it in about a year and I never saw her working at it. I know fingerprints can change as hands get roughed up, but it not something someone can take from me while conscious or hack into easily with kid knowledge.
Thanks for the review Lucky Gunner, very helpful. I bought my first ammo from you, coincidentally.
@@Adroita A 5 button lock with a 4 digit code only provides 120 combinations. She either meticulously wrote down every code she tried or guessed a commonly used sequence of numbers (house number, year, etc.).
@@ruffxm 120 is not much! If buttons were 1-5, this code was 1,5,4,3. Not as easy to guess as you may think, but they were inline if bending to be a circle. It was not a number she knows. Still, anyone with time can get through the combos.
Off subject of this particular video but, recently I saw an article talking about keeping a separate pair of range shoes in the back of you truck to keep lead exposure down. I then saw a PDF put together by the state of Illinois recommending all these crazy steps to avoid lead exposure; separate shoes, clothes, hat, or coveralls to be put on and off before even entering your vehicle to go back home. Washing your hands and face didn't seem too weird to me, though I've never seen anyone wash their face before leaving the range. My question if you would please Chris, or others that have spent many years around firearms, is this something you should be concerned with if you shoot once a week or so? What do you and others you know do? Is anything other than washing your hands just ridiculous? Thank you!
Lead exposure is an issue I've recently started paying more attention to but I still have a lot more to learn. There is not as much research as I'd like to see regarding the effects of "minor" lead exposure, but everything I've read so far is that even small amounts of lead in the bloodstream is bad, and possibly much worse than previously believed.
As far as mitigation, I think it's *much* more important to pay attention to this stuff if you're shooting at an indoor range versus outdoors. But either way, yes, a dedicated pair of range shoes is not a bad idea, especially if you're going shooting once a week (or you can clean off the outside of your shoes after every trip). I use my "range shoes" for other outdoor activities, but I never wear them in the house. Coveralls... that might be overkill. I'm certainly not going to wear coveralls here in East Tennessee in the summer. And I wear my range clothes in the car. But I've started changing my clothes as soon as I get home from the range. Wash your hands and arms up to the elbows and wash your face, especially before you eat or drink (I have started observing this one religiously. I'm afraid the lead particles may find more places to settle in my beard). Don't smoke or eat while shooting. I also got a bunch of the LeadOff brand cleaning products (soap, cleaning spray, and hand wipes) and i have them stashed all over the range, my car, house, and office.
I had my doctor check my lead levels earlier this year (highly recommended) and my number was 7. Six years ago it was 1. For a long time, the "recommended" range has been 20 or less, but like I said, that might be way too high according to some of the more recent research. I know people who work in indoor ranges who have gotten their levels down to 3, so that's my goal for next year. It's only a minor inconvenience, and I if I keep my levels down, then I know I'm also minimizing the exposure my kids get to the lead I'm bringing home (and they are far more vulnerable to it).
FWIW, this isn't all theoretical. I know one competitive shooter whose lead levels ended up in the 40s when he was shooting 1000 rounds a week of cast lead bullets in a poorly ventilated indoor range. He started experiencing dizziness and fatigue (and likely other cognitive symptoms that may not have been identified at the time... this was decades ago). He's back down to single digits today.
Wow, thank you very much for all the info Chris! I consider this channel one of the better resources on RUclips because or your responsiveness to viewer questions and comments. Maybe this subject warrants a LuckyGunner video in the future. Think I'll start taking more precautions, cleaning, dedicated shoes that don't go in my car or house. I would guess FMJ would minimize exposure as well over cast lead. Every small precaution should have a cumulative effect on overall exposure I suppose. I'll leave this link published by the state of Illinois if anyone's curious.
www.dph.illinois.gov/sites/default/files/publications/lead-safety-shooters-041516.pdf
Cheers Chris, keep up the great work!
Cool, I'll check that out.
Its a security vs access issue.
The more access you have to an item the less secure it is, and the more secure the item is the less access you have to it.
In my personal experience, the V Line is a good enough compromise between security and access.
My electronic alone is $399 but it fail and they sent me a new after a year. The new one failed, I just had to cut my safe. Simplex, I have had for 20 years and it always work.
Thanks for your videos. I enjoy topics like this.
Perfect! Thanks!
This is one of the best RUclips channels by far.
I really liked the look of the hornady one. Went online to buy it. They discontinued it! Makes me sad because it would have been perfect. I have a small closet type area in my bedroom where I could have mounted it to the inside of the closet but its to small to fit most safes. My ar pistols fit perfectly in the closet. :(
Only 13% of home invasions happen when someone is in the home. Lock up your guns, or else a criminal might get to them. Great video by the way, I never knew how unreliable some safes could be. I think I'll replace some of my own safes with something more reliable.
Abhishek Singh None of these safes will last 20 minutes against a determined burglar with hand tools, and wouldn't last five minutes against one with power tools. Make sure your guns are covered by your home owner's insurance and take solice in the fact that most guns traded on the black market are never used for violent crime.
If you really want to prevent theft of your firearms, hide them in heavy furniture, in the walls, or really anywhere but a safe. Then, leave non-ballistic valuables out or in a safe as a honey pot for the burglars. Use psychology to your advantage. Think like a burglar and store your guns somewhere a burglar wouldn't think to look.
Elijah Decker When I was in college and I couldn’t afford a safe for my handgun (it was a smith and Wesson 686 I believe) I wrapped it with plastic and left it in my freezer lmao. I guess that would be the best place to hide a gun.
@@ElijahDecker Yes, think like a burglar. If a burglar breaks into your home to steal your flat screen TV and stumbles upon an immovable safe that appears difficult they won't bother with it and just steal what they originally came for. If a burglar breaks into your home with the intent of stealing guns they know you have then a safe is the best place for your guns; because, if they know what you have they probably know where you like to keep them.
20 minutes? With those tubular locks as back ups more like 20 seconds. Or if they're experience 6-12 seconds. I hate tubular locks.
And of that 13%, most are targeted for a specific reason and not random. You usually know if you're a target or not.
3:69 Seems like if you are at home you have those extra locks unlocked, and when you are away or go to work you would lock it up. Extra responsibilities but compared to that flat fort knox shotgun safe that doesnt have any mounting holes on the inside to mount on a wall and for have the price; it aint too bad.
Agree on electronics in safes, especially since they’ve shown how to open them with a strong magnet.
Isn't it bad to mount a rifle with the barrel facing up? over time, dust may fall into the barrel and dirty it up?
a lot more than dust particulates get into the gun when it's shot
Good video. Very informative. Thank you.
Most of my guns are in the hardest to access location:
The store.
The second one you reviewed with the little push buttons and then the turn knob are shit locks, I use this style at my work for locking up drugs and they suck
I don't understand the universal use if cheap electronic kicks because there are very real and very safe lock variants out there that can be easily implemented. If the Lickpicking Lawyer has taught us anything, it's that a disc detainer or a dimpled key design will deter 99.9% of thieves.
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Great video. However, it would be nice if you were able to find some other shotgun wall mounts/vaults that might fit one with optics (I have ghost rings and cannot find a wall mount that works yet). I've been told the Hornady AR model will hold a Mossberg 590 with optics but would rather a professional opinion and/or research.
Chris:
"Here are some safes. If they have any electronics, I don't trust em. "
Saved everyone 9 and a half minutes. ;)
Wish I seen this before the video tho
this one has a digital clock on it. therefore, total garbage.
here's my deal. with my bio pistol safe i know in a high adrenaline state i can swipe my finger far quicker than i can input a numeric code properly and if i mess up with the code? it'll take me WAY longer to input a code twice than it would for me to swipe my finger more than once. I've never had to swipe my finger more than twice on it and upwards of 95% of the time it works first try.
Shotlock AR solo lock+ disabling the bypass key ie filling in with JB weld ect. And adding a muzzle attachment point made from materials from Home Depot. Is a good option shitty that’s there’s not a good off the shelf option.
Excellent work sir. Thanks for your thoughts.
Is there a price point you would begin to trust an electronic lock? Most all of the larger gun safes I've been looking at either have an electronic number pad, or tumbler combination lock, which I don't see being very easy access.
I would consider trusting a UL-certified digital lock. They are often found on the larger safes.
Plus, that shotgun lock doesn't cover the trigger, which is ludicrous!
What about gun cages, What options are available for people interested in a commerical and/or residential mounting like security compounds or man cave that also looks good.when displayed in open view.
Thumbs up for Chik-Fil-A !
How is your gp100 Match Champion doing after repair? I am considerin to buy one
The smaller, stud mounted bracket safes could be defeated by either cutting the stud out or cutting the mount bolt(s) by first cutting through the drywall creating space between the bracket and the stud.
Dude, they can all be defeated in multiple ways. That's really not the point. You're not buying an impenetrable fortress, you're buying time. The longer it takes to defeat, the less likely a thief is to bother with it.
Right, but could the optic just be removed and taken?
@@LuckyGunner I think my point was that the locking device itself can be by-passed EASILY by using a Sawzall to just cut out drywall and part of a stud.
Damnit. I agree with previous comments. "They all kinda suck and I don't have any real answers" is what this video should've been titled.
I appreciate that you don't know everyone's needs. But the scenario you're providing (a master bedroom long gun safe for late night break in/anti-kid gun storage) is pretty damn universal which means you could at some point give an original opinion (which is ultimately what all your subscribers subscribe for). It's not like saying, "what's the best safe for my truck?" (of which there are hundreds of variables). Can you dial it in a bit? I'm not going at you.....I love your videos, site, and channel. I've bought 1000's of rounds from you.
From all your inferences, I'm assuming.....a large (enough to cover the gun) heavy sheet metal safe with multiple bolt points to the frame with no numerical keypad, no key capability, and no biometric pad. Assuming mechanical is probably the way to go, it also needs to be large enough to take the shotgun side saddle, a possible optic (however you could quantify the size of that) and an AR mag?
Please refilm. We don't have access to the same safe options. You can do this. If all the options out there are lacking, say so. And then offer a better solution. They'll listen to you. The rest of us are waiting on a better option....
I’m just a thinker and in need of something. Why not the under bed unit but mounted vertically between a wall and a dresser with a couple Velcro straps to keep the top of the guns secure 🤔
If y’all send it to me I’ll test it out that way 😂
Awesome video. Love your reviews.
Chris how could you forget the American flag safe? It is gorgeous, inconspicuous, and accessible!
On the V-Line, you are supposed to use the auxiliary locks (top & bottom) when you are away from home and just the middle lock when you are present in your home. You have misinterpreted the intended usage of this safe.
That still isn't very practical. I certainly wouldn't remember to lock the case every time I left the house, nor would I remember to unlock it every time I got home to prep for quick entry.
Yall have any suggestions on smaller (2-3 AR rifles) safes that arent quick access? Just mechanical locks
Liberty Safe Centurion 12
I very much agree with your statement about humans becoming fixated on what they see. That is precisely why I have an handgun safe bolted to my master bedroom's closet shelf. There's a bb pistol in it, a box of ammo, and pile of junk mail in envelopes. The general idea is for it to capture their attention, occupy a good bit of their time getting it torn loose of the shelf, and then when removed mimic the weight and sound of a safe with a gun, ammo, and documents, envelopes, and who knows? Maybe even some cash. Hopefully this will keep them occupied past their comfort zone as far as a time limit and cause them to flee with what they assume will be a good bit of valuables.