As a music producer I can confirm that this is absolutely normal to tune manually someone’s vocals I do it normally and that’s why my services are a bit more expensive than others in my area
@@matthokkaofficialas an engineer you just don’t want to waste your time on any tedious tasks can hold back your production efficiency. It’s much quicker to just do a retake of the bar or try and fix the autotune instead of opening up a whole new window and manually moving the specific notes. I guess it’s all about preference and how you treat your clients. But most engineers would agree it’s a waste of time unless you have the time lol. It’s a good thing you charging extra for that though 😂
@@predispose I would normally agree, but in my case, you're paying for the 'Studio Session' and production with mix and mastering separately. I have my own home studio, so you can rent it for specific hours, and I can do a rough mix for you while you're in the studio. If you pay extra for complete production, you'll also get manually tuned vocals and complete mix&master.
Iits a bit annoying that the console-less era has garnered a misunderstanding of what a rough or walkout mix is. Ive dealt with some knuckleheads for sure. Historically roughs are always just faders up, what your mix was while tracking, hearing in the cans. We really shouldnt be mixing for free during tracking sessions, demoing plugins & such to appease the client. They need to hear how they sound in an honest way, pre-mix. Just my humble opinion from a commercial studio owner.
@@joshuabloodsworth2262 With the evolution of music production, more artists now have their own recording setups and personalized presets. Today, choosing mixers or mastering engineers often depends on their unique sound, creative style, or past success. Some artists also collaborate with recording engineers not just for technical expertise, but for their creative input during the recording process. These engineers can help shape the track’s direction, adding a pre-mix that sets the tone for where the song is headed, making the collaboration an integral part of the creative journey.
Celemony Melodyne studio newtone or any graph editor is what I would recommend to learn to sing in key if you can’t sing you basically record And pitch correct in graph make sure not over do it and keep the vox sounding natural then spend a few day and sing to the pitch corrected version very quickly you will start to sing in key since it’s your voice your singing too and it’s in perfect pitch so you can practice very effectively learn to sing literally within 30 days for some
Even tho this is a skit i believe this actually teaches an important lesson. Most older engineers simply dont give a f while modern engineers often work after book and guides. Thats actually what makes music sound so synthetic in modern age, ofc thats cool with genres like Trap but genres like Pop and Rock were totally killed by this.
It takes away from the warmth and rawness of music. Mezzanine by massive attack, masterpiece, but I’ll never like it nearly as much as blue lines because it doesn’t have the same character, it sounds TOO perfect.
yeah, the older engineer mindset is: If it's out of tune, get back in there and do it right the younger engineer is like: let me fix that with a plugin
@ yeah, you payed me to engineer your session … I ain’t doing theory work for free Now if you gonna cut me in as the arranger … I’ll break down every chord and counter melody
Yesss, thats why i specialized myself in vocal tuning with Melodyne. A song with alot of off key parts or squiggly small vocal details that autotune can't fix, takes off its professionalism and seriousness. Few songs have gotten away with this in certain parts. If you request Artist to re record for a tiny bit part you lazy af even to learn basics of Melodyning.
@RedButtonTV1 Notice how I said a tiny bit part? Plus, we are talking about being engineers, it's easier to just get the artist back in the booth and just click record than dialing in on some melodyne. I mean, to me, they are both easy, but if its not necessary to re-record a whole bar and the artists performance, delivery, energy, etc is perfect, what's the point? Don't go by what other comments say. They say it cause they don't know know how to pitch correctly. Hitting record is easier and lazy, my friend.
@@VersuszMusicOficial i did check your channel a bit and the music you re making is not posible to make without pitch correction. btw pitch tuner came out of the military use, music usage is just a small part
If you need 50 takes to record something i think you need to practice more and not depend on machine to do everything for you because you are lazy. You think picasso would use auto color correction for his works if he lived today ? Would you still consider him great ? I know i wouldnt
@ I can hit the notes fine but its more important to me that I get the inflection and diction to sound good, so sometimes the perfect take in terms of energy will have a pitch or two off, which is where I will add adjustment.
@@suno186ye, like people don't often get the artistic direction. Everybody so dull with the ,,just sing right". If i wanna do 50 takes i fucking will, yeah, i DO want to catch that voice crack in that specific moment, and yeah i DO want that to sound like i imagined in my head. Not always about pitch or shit. Sometimes you gotta go on a compromise with the vocal mix, and work with it so it be fire.
I’ll just use automation of a different key. Works a lot of the time lol graphic mode is waves tune days chill. I feel more comfortable with melodyne graph
Honestly graphic mode should be use in 2 cases: 1. You want a soft-natural sounding tuning 2. You do not have any additional takes nor the chance of re-record
You can download versions of melodyne for free, its pretty easy to do if you look for it. Illegal maybe, but free nonetheless. But I dont know many daws that dont come with one.
People used to sit and do re takes after re take just to get the perfect feeling sound basically thee recording the 1 that hits the spot it might take you 50 times but once you hit it you feel it and if you feel it other will
Use both. Grafic mode before autotune. Grafic just in parts when you really need to fix I tried it and it worked pretty well. 90% of work is made by autotune and 10% made by you
Get it right at the source unless it’s something you literally can’t achieve and it’s achievable in post then in that case go for it. But always get your recordings solid first
No doubt there’s always been talentless hacks in the entertainment industry, as far back as it’s existed. It’s not like every musician who released a record in the 80s or 90s or whatever was a brilliantly skilled professional. But because there’s just more people and more people=more musicians/and because the necessary equipment to record has become so much more easily attainable, there is obviously more music being recorded. In the 90s, for example, an independent musician could pay what was not that much less than a real decent studio costs per day or hour now. Or you could buy a reel to reel or tascam 4-track (or something nicer) and then you’d have to have something to mix it down because the tape ran slow and only had 2 tracks per side of a cassette. So once you mixed it down, you would have to send it off to get pressed onto vinyl or cd or cassette or whatever media you were using. This would take weeks and weeks and then they would ship it back and to get it into other peoples hands you had to physically give it to them or physically mail it to them. All the extra steps would weed out the artists who didn’t really care, or didn’t want to invest the time. It’s wonderful that so many more people can express themselves and enjoy making music. But having so much music readily available also has made it so that the percentage of music that’s actually decent has plummeted because literally anyone can make it, and “literally” anyone statistically is not very likely to be very good. I’m glad everyone has a voice, but when everyone talks at once, you can’t really hear anything. Just because you CAN make a rap album in your bedroom in St Paul, Minnesota using a 30 dollar goodwill keyboard doesn’t mean you SHOULD make that record. But imagine if just anyone could join the nba and get (close to) equal time. And you went to see a game and both teams had 400 players on them and most of them sucked.
If you use Autotune on heavy mode, read this: If you can't sing, learn god damnit. You will end up like Travis Scott yelling like a virgin on a live performance when Autotune stopped for some reason. If you can't sing, then rap. If you can't rap, then do something else. You're like having parkinsson and become a surgeon.
I can't take singers who don't stay on pitch seriously in these situations lmao, gotta be proffessional and do what you can as a producer but PLEASE people be able to sing your song
Yeah… you gone have to do a retake and hit that correct with your voice!!😂💀
😂💯
For real!
Bro get your ahh in the booth and re-record that 😂
This honestly was the cherry on top i laughed for real when i read this 😂
That’s why yall music be stale af … yall lazy and don’t want to go hit them retakes till you get it right.
“frm da suburbs never been in da bricks” 😂😂
I'm weak I had just heard it on the 2nd play while scrolling past this😂 at least he tellin his truth. That's fye 4 him
breeze😂
I fw it😂 Everyone glorifying killing be cringe
@@jarontaylor3443he literally did glorify killing though, while he was from the burbs. Worse imo
🤣🤣
That’s gonna be extra to open up melodyne 😂
FACTS!!!!!
Extra CPU power
At least $200 more cause I gotta actually learn how to properly use that ish 😂😂
Ahhh Yes the dreaded cpu hungry melodyne
@@SAELIOSMUSICnah melodyne is cost effective its insane
That cost extra 😂
😂💯
some softwares have it for free
Not the software xdd, it takes atleast an hour to tune a song@FraserRyan
Deadass opening Melodyne is a whole new session
@@scamculturewe leaving it closed!
Bro said “tune my vocals” how about tune that money 😂
As a music producer I can confirm that this is absolutely normal to tune manually someone’s vocals I do it normally and that’s why my services are a bit more expensive than others in my area
@@matthokkaofficialas an engineer you just don’t want to waste your time on any tedious tasks can hold back your production efficiency. It’s much quicker to just do a retake of the bar or try and fix the autotune instead of opening up a whole new window and manually moving the specific notes. I guess it’s all about preference and how you treat your clients. But most engineers would agree it’s a waste of time unless you have the time lol. It’s a good thing you charging extra for that though 😂
@@predispose I would normally agree, but in my case, you're paying for the 'Studio Session' and production with mix and mastering separately. I have my own home studio, so you can rent it for specific hours, and I can do a rough mix for you while you're in the studio. If you pay extra for complete production, you'll also get manually tuned vocals and complete mix&master.
Iits a bit annoying that the console-less era has garnered a misunderstanding of what a rough or walkout mix is. Ive dealt with some knuckleheads for sure. Historically roughs are always just faders up, what your mix was while tracking, hearing in the cans. We really shouldnt be mixing for free during tracking sessions, demoing plugins & such to appease the client. They need to hear how they sound in an honest way, pre-mix. Just my humble opinion from a commercial studio owner.
@@joshuabloodsworth2262 With the evolution of music production, more artists now have their own recording setups and personalized presets. Today, choosing mixers or mastering engineers often depends on their unique sound, creative style, or past success. Some artists also collaborate with recording engineers not just for technical expertise, but for their creative input during the recording process. These engineers can help shape the track’s direction, adding a pre-mix that sets the tone for where the song is headed, making the collaboration an integral part of the creative journey.
Damn he looking for an engineer engineer… that’s money time.
😂😂😂😂😂
I do this and still get paid low in Nigeria. 😢
@@KobokoBeatzGo online
@ hey 🙏
@@KobokoBeatzmarket elsewhere
''Usually i turn up the auto tune'' 😂😭
😮
Not like the performance actually dictates it being pitch correct. Far from singing on that one. Intonation wins over pitch all day.
Get that ah back in the booth and hit the note better😂
Fr lmao…..
💯 MJ & Prince would run laps around this generation. Make Music Great Again.
@ you don’t like rappers?
I love rap. It makes R&B more money. Hence why Rod Wave is selling out Arenas. (While Singing).
@ you listen to female rappers ?
I wanna see his face when the producer says "we don't use auto tune, it feels off to you? get in the booth back"😂
Celemony Melodyne studio newtone or any graph editor is what I would recommend to learn to sing in key if you can’t sing you basically record And pitch correct in graph make sure not over do it and keep the vox sounding natural then spend a few day and sing to the pitch corrected version very quickly you will start to sing in key since it’s your voice your singing too and it’s in perfect pitch so you can practice very effectively learn to sing literally within 30 days for some
Damn that’s lowkey some genius thinking
@ try it out and lemme know if that works for ya
Hey. Never thought about that. Time consuming but for sure a good idea. I'll give it a try.
Even tho this is a skit i believe this actually teaches an important lesson. Most older engineers simply dont give a f while modern engineers often work after book and guides. Thats actually what makes music sound so synthetic in modern age, ofc thats cool with genres like Trap but genres like Pop and Rock were totally killed by this.
As a musician who deals with this on a personal level I highly fucking agree mate
It takes away from the warmth and rawness of music. Mezzanine by massive attack, masterpiece, but I’ll never like it nearly as much as blue lines because it doesn’t have the same character, it sounds TOO perfect.
To be fair, older engineers had to deal with people who had actual talent and could actually sing. Auto-tune hasn't always been a thing.
Im learning right now and it’s teaching me I’ll tell you that all this shit is complicated but I’ve been getting a little smoother
yeah, the older engineer mindset is: If it's out of tune, get back in there and do it right
the younger engineer is like: let me fix that with a plugin
“This autotune we aint making enough for Melodyne over here”
Facts bro dudes be asking if I got melodyne and I straight say no knowing it comes included with pro tools studio 😅
@ yeah, you payed me to engineer your session … I ain’t doing theory work for free
Now if you gonna cut me in as the arranger … I’ll break down every chord and counter melody
Yesss, thats why i specialized myself in vocal tuning with Melodyne. A song with alot of off key parts or squiggly small vocal details that autotune can't fix, takes off its professionalism and seriousness. Few songs have gotten away with this in certain parts.
If you request Artist to re record for a tiny bit part you lazy af even to learn basics of Melodyning.
💎💎
not true. that is lazy
@RedButtonTV1 Notice how I said a tiny bit part? Plus, we are talking about being engineers, it's easier to just get the artist back in the booth and just click record than dialing in on some melodyne. I mean, to me, they are both easy, but if its not necessary to re-record a whole bar and the artists performance, delivery, energy, etc is perfect, what's the point?
Don't go by what other comments say. They say it cause they don't know know how to pitch correctly.
Hitting record is easier and lazy, my friend.
@@VersuszMusicOficial i did check your channel a bit and the music you re making is not posible to make without pitch correction. btw pitch tuner came out of the military use, music usage is just a small part
@@VersuszMusicOficial hitting the red button to start recording is a super important momment
honestly i just redo the take unless it’s a take i really love and don’t think i can do it better then ill melodyne
Why is this me 😂😂
😂🫵
Protools ARA melodyne coming clutch right here
💎💎💎
God bless
Turn da auto tune up even more is crazy 😂😂
“Pitch correct” is a neat way to pretend that it isn’t autotune
😂😂😂😂😂ayo cuttin up
ngl I HAVE to use manual pitch correction cause I hate doing 50 takes of something, but if it was someone else's studio thats a little different
If you need 50 takes to record something i think you need to practice more and not depend on machine to do everything for you because you are lazy. You think picasso would use auto color correction for his works if he lived today ? Would you still consider him great ? I know i wouldnt
@ I can hit the notes fine but its more important to me that I get the inflection and diction to sound good, so sometimes the perfect take in terms of energy will have a pitch or two off, which is where I will add adjustment.
@@suno186ye, like people don't often get the artistic direction. Everybody so dull with the ,,just sing right". If i wanna do 50 takes i fucking will, yeah, i DO want to catch that voice crack in that specific moment, and yeah i DO want that to sound like i imagined in my head. Not always about pitch or shit. Sometimes you gotta go on a compromise with the vocal mix, and work with it so it be fire.
i feel attacked 🤣🤣🤣
I’ll just use automation of a different key. Works a lot of the time lol graphic mode is waves tune days chill. I feel more comfortable with melodyne graph
Honestly graphic mode should be use in 2 cases:
1. You want a soft-natural sounding tuning
2. You do not have any additional takes nor the chance of re-record
“i never even used that. usually i just turn the autotune up even more”
shit sent me 😂💀
Real life 😂
If anyone is having this problem go in the booth and say the bar again you do not need graphic mode when u can simple just hit the note correctly
Bruh 😭😂😂😂😂😂 I’ve def said this to my producer before but then I started producing my own music and now I just hit the notes correctly 😂
That sounds expensive😂😂
Silence. My favorite show has started
this shit to true😹😹😹
As a engineer i can easily fix someones fuck ups but most engineers will tell you to hit the booth and find the correct note and re record it 😂😂😂
what is your job description?
As someone who mixes his own vocals i rather re-record than manually correct any notes
Melodyne needed fr
Literally every engineer😂😂😂
Melodyne 👏Then 👏AT 👏
I beg you do more videos with this guy 😂😂😂
I got you! 😂
Love your work !!
They don't be wanting to use it during sessions because they want you to pay for a mix
This is why I take my time to manually tune the vocals, and then use the Auto-Tune to add flavor 😅
Idk. Usually, I just stack 20 autotunes in the mixer?
Guilty is charged bro
😭🤝
As*
@ Nahhh I said it correctly
@jameswhitaker4357
No, no you didn't
@@Organicwatermelon123 Well sucks for you I’m not changing it go touch grass
That’s definitely Paul!! lol he’s the man!
If you manually pitch correcting a rapper, you need to rethink life choices 😂
I was once told by a platinum engineer that if you need more than just autotune. He doesnt even want to work with you 😂
'Never even used that'? I'd walk.
I would have been like yeah im an engineer, not a producer.... 😂
Melodyne is my worst nightmare I usually just tell em to do the take again 😭😭
🤣🤣🤣
I'm guilty for this too🤣🤣🤣
Coming from Paul this is just funny lmaooo
This guy look like that guy that sell shoes
Rami🤣
👀😂
feels great being your own engineer 🤣 i do as many takes as i need
You can download versions of melodyne for free, its pretty easy to do if you look for it. Illegal maybe, but free nonetheless. But I dont know many daws that dont come with one.
Get back in the booth son 😂😂😂
Chilllll 😂😂😂
That’s where I come in 😂😂
I know how to do that in Melodyne but I’m not about to begin to try to figure that out in auto tune. I’m turn it up like he said. 😂
Usually I just turn the auto tune up even more 😂
melodyne -> autotune pro = perfect
🔥🔥🔥
Nah.
People used to sit and do re takes after re take just to get the perfect feeling sound basically thee recording the 1 that hits the spot it might take you 50 times but once you hit it you feel it and if you feel it other will
Do yall like when pitch is korrected that way?
More fine tuned
Depends on the track for sure
"Can you make my voice studer in a high pitched with the beat?"
"You mean scratch your vocals on a turntable."
"I guess, I don't know?.
Attenuate your frequencies young blood!
🤣💯
Hahah hourly rate just went up
Thats me i dont use no newtune😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yo el it’s navy w vid ❤️😎
Go back in the booth and give me another bad verse.. 😂
This is why im glad to be oldschhool u got these lil boys trying to run studioos when they didnt even open a book on eq amd compression lol😅
When the engineer doesn't know he's not an engineer
Use both. Grafic mode before autotune.
Grafic just in parts when you really need to fix
I tried it and it worked pretty well.
90% of work is made by autotune and 10% made by you
Get it right at the source unless it’s something you literally can’t achieve and it’s achievable in post then in that case go for it. But always get your recordings solid first
Wait wait wait, what did bro on the song say 😂😂😂😂😂
Real asf😂
😂
All in one click “Flex Pitch” is what you gonna get if you don’t wanna pay me to officially mix it
How yall vocals so clean on the reels😂🤝🏿
Homies a real professional
Overdub while video editing.
Nahh i don’t overdub lol , i use the comica 4 set wireless microphones
@@MixedByElsolid🤝🏿
And my problem is I do like 30 takes and then become torn between 10 of them
But for real 😂hourly rate just went up a few hundred bucks. 💀
Are you talking about “graphic mode?” 😂
I have never used grahpic mode 😂
Old engineers don't know that because we usually work with real artists
Dam bro just @ me next time 🤣
No doubt there’s always been talentless hacks in the entertainment industry, as far back as it’s existed. It’s not like every musician who released a record in the 80s or 90s or whatever was a brilliantly skilled professional. But because there’s just more people and more people=more musicians/and because the necessary equipment to record has become so much more easily attainable, there is obviously more music being recorded.
In the 90s, for example, an independent musician could pay what was not that much less than a real decent studio costs per day or hour now. Or you could buy a reel to reel or tascam 4-track (or something nicer) and then you’d have to have something to mix it down because the tape ran slow and only had 2 tracks per side of a cassette. So once you mixed it down, you would have to send it off to get pressed onto vinyl or cd or cassette or whatever media you were using. This would take weeks and weeks and then they would ship it back and to get it into other peoples hands you had to physically give it to them or physically mail it to them.
All the extra steps would weed out the artists who didn’t really care, or didn’t want to invest the time.
It’s wonderful that so many more people can express themselves and enjoy making music. But having so much music readily available also has made it so that the percentage of music that’s actually decent has plummeted because literally anyone can make it, and “literally” anyone statistically is not very likely to be very good.
I’m glad everyone has a voice, but when everyone talks at once, you can’t really hear anything. Just because you CAN make a rap album in your bedroom in St Paul, Minnesota using a 30 dollar goodwill keyboard doesn’t mean you SHOULD make that record.
But imagine if just anyone could join the nba and get (close to) equal time. And you went to see a game and both teams had 400 players on them and most of them sucked.
Usually I just turn the autotune up even more 😂
Im tryna figure out how to use it 😂😂😂 So far I cannot figure how to even get it opened
Bro 😂😂😂
Least, he's honest 😂
Like my old heads keep it simple
What ever you want but I charge by the hour and you gonna have to schedule later because I got another session at 8:00
that’s when you use melodyne
Is either you get it when vocalizing or you get it, cause I'm not stressing
bro engineered his hairline
Damn this mode doesnt work on my ver...... nevermind🎉🤐
I feel called out a lil bit lol😭😭😂
🫵😭
He's looking for melodyne honestly😂
😂😂😂
When I was little, you had to know how to sing to be a singer
“When artist can’t do their jobs and ask the engineer to fix it”
Maybe you should automate the retune to 100% there 😂
I mean, if your auto tune plugin is not set to the key your song is in this could happen
If you use Autotune on heavy mode, read this: If you can't sing, learn god damnit. You will end up like Travis Scott yelling like a virgin on a live performance when Autotune stopped for some reason.
If you can't sing, then rap. If you can't rap, then do something else.
You're like having parkinsson and become a surgeon.
just re-record and hit it right lmao
Sometimes it’s the take
I never use graphing mode either
Imagine if rappers learned how to hit one note
I can't take singers who don't stay on pitch seriously in these situations lmao, gotta be proffessional and do what you can as a producer but PLEASE people be able to sing your song