I Played Magnus Carlsen. He called it "Pretty Terrible." I Disagree.
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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I think you might have misinterpreted Magnus's comment. I think when he says the game was pretty terrible, he means his play was terrible for his own expectations. He played below his capabilities and you definitely played very well.
Have u watched the video? He pretty clearly thinks Magnus is talking abt rosen’s play
Considering how much trash talk magnus has done to Rosen I’m pretty sure he meant Eric’s play
I think you misinterpreted the comment, he's like baiting.@@niranjanrajesh1058
It's clickbait lol
@@owen429of course he thinks Eric played terribly. Like, apart from maybe 10 other people in the world, everyone is terrible to Magnus.
I think Magnus was criticising himself . he was totally outclassed in the middlegame in a gambit line he himself provoked . Also , Eric can take heart that Magnus had fallen victim to the "Rosen trap" against Danya so he is aware . 😊
Rosen trap is just new name for stalemate?
@@mikecantreed The stalemate anti-premove trick he talks about at 17:00 where the queen captures a piece expecting to be recaptured but the king is moved to the corned is called the Rosen trap.
magnus sucks at middlegames. Larry Kaufman:
'Magnus doesn't generally play such great openings, he strives to get the game out of book as early as possible usually. I think the issue here is that his greatest strength is the endgame, but FRC games are much more likely to be decided in the middlegame as the players are on their own so early. That's probably why he doesn't shine as brightly in FRC as in Classical chess.'
@@nicbentulan endgames aren’t won in a vacuum. He creates endgames hr can win in the middlegame by building up tiny advantages.
@@mikecantreed Only somewhat true, as what really sets his endgame skill apart is his ability to win objectively equal endings.
I thought it was crazy, that his heart rate jumped from 60 to 142 on fifth move lol. Whoever suggested him wear that deserves a thanks!
I find it reassuring that it's not just a noob like me with pounding heart during a game.
@@debrascott8775 Yes, I agree. He is an IM playing against a SGM, so maybe thats why idk.
@@m3talh3ad18 Also it's Magnus. The name is probably enough to make most opponents nervous.
The Magnus Effect exemplified through a heart-rate monitor
and he sounds completely calm too
The line "Playing Rosen... might stalemate him" sounds to me like he holds you in high regard.
6 moves in, his heart’s already going at 144 lol
That explains the "Magnus effect"
Wow I didn’t know it was such a good workout!!
@burt591 , that's just the brain trying to supply as much oxygen and nutrients as possible for a challenging game.
He was also holding his breath involuntarily. Breathe Eric LOL. It's pretty understandable, if I ever got to play Magnus there would be no stress because I know I would just have no chance I might as well just move randomly.
Yeah, he was referring to his play. I can't imagine how nervous you had to be playing him. Anytime I compete in anything and I'm ahead and upsetting a better opponent, it's hard not to let the pressure take over. Well done on this one!
“A terrible game… but not for me!”
Totally should rename the video to this lol nice comment
ok, but wheres the ambulance?🤔
I think he was saying it was pretty terrible because you put up such a good fight and he had to think to win
Magnus just meant terrible as in how he played. You did great...the time situation was your biggest downfall though. You'll get him next time gg
I love watching Eric's games and the way he explains things, objectively and always with calm and nice attitude. He's respectful but fearless.
So, when the deserved GM title?
Deserved how? GM title is based on his performance not his personality
@@tmpwow4282there is this weird trend where people think you can achieve a chess title by just having a good personality or by really wanting it
hard to stalemate someone that still has 1 minute on the clock.
and is the best in the world 😂😂❤❤
Yeah, that was weak.
I think he meant his own performance. We wasnt happy about it since you had the better position up until a certain point.
The fact that magnus is aware of the rosen stalemate is so cool
Never resign when you have a knight “immediately loses his knight”
It doesn't imply anything
I find that whenever Magnus makes such comments, in the blunt criticism way, he's usually referring to himself. Typically when he refers to dubious moves his opponent makes, he phrases it as not understanding the purpose behind that move or he refutes the move by say, capturing a hung piece. He's not much for ridiculing his opponent's positions, but he's super blunt about his own mistakes. When he plays badly enough that someone many hundreds of ELO points below him is possibly better or clearly better, he says how badly he played.
I find that he's pretty consistent about that, because he has a pretty good handle on when he's made a blunder or when his position is clearly losing or worse, but if his opponent is playing in a way he doesn't agree with or understand, he almost always leaves open the possibility he's missed something particularly in online chess where he's commenting and not spending a lot of time deeply analyzing the moves.
I've seen quite a lot of Magnus playing people online, and especially in the games where he blunders or loses outright, his reactions are almost universally identical. Often he is playing an opening he knows is inferior so he knows his position is bad, so he can save lost or worse positions, points out the opening itself is bad. Sometimes he will make a move just to not waste too much time and later decide the move has definitely made his position worse, and the few times his opponent makes some brilliant attack or sack that he didn't see, he usually says something akin to wow, immediately tries to assess if he's being mated and if he can stop it, or if it is time to resign.
He's usually not very prideful about his position, he suffers from a remarkable lack of arrogance for someone who could beat literally anyone. It's a very Norwegian perspective. I say this as an American living in Norway for 8 years now, this attitude is super common.
Norwegian itself as a language is very blunt, for example, when you pay for gas, the machine tells you something that directly translates to "friendliest insert your card now." They throw in the word "friendliest" because otherwise, it sounds like the machine is being bluntly rude and ordering you around.
The culture itself is very not egotistical. The belief is mainly that we're all in this together, we're a team, individuals who perform above expectations are helping the team, or making the country better, as opposed to personal glory.
Because Norwegian is so blunt, and English is his second language, and he's not very arrogant or egocentric, he will usually dispassionately rip apart his own position using very blunt language, but watch how he phrases his criticism of his opponent's position. He tends to use that non-judgment language like I don't understand this move, or he thinks it is a mistake, especially because he is aware he could be missing something in the position that gives his opponent an edge.
I think part of why he is so strong is that his skill level and experience never gives him a swelled head, he's constantly in a state of wondering how his position is bad or what mistakes he has made or leaves open the possibility he missed a brilliancy from his opponent.
When the position is clearly bad for his opponent he can occasionally say something like that, but he's usually really confident his opponent is in a dead lost position at that point.
Because his personality, culture he grew up with, and native language makes him inclined to harshly criticize himself and leave it open that his opponent is somehow better even against his best judgment, and because that perspective is usually wildly different from the norm, I find that Magnus' criticism of his own position often gets mistaken for criticism of his opponent.
I have a similar thing where I'm too afraid of making a social mistake and too afraid of hurting someone else's feelings in person that I often freeze up and don't talk to people and people mistake that as be being too full of myself to talk to them. Inward harsh criticism OFTEN gets mistaken for outward criticism. People just don't expect it, they expect people to be rude and arrogant.
Thank you for that comment
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@@vova_ike why?
Thanks for the analysis!
"decent" 😂
I interpreted it as him criticizing his own play and that you had him cornered. Honestly sounded like he tipped his hat to Eric
I would love to see you Eric commentating the pro chess. I watch them and think to myself, Eric should be here right now.
Rosen will play into ridiculous sidelines of the silliest openings known to man and seriously wonder aloud, “Hmmm….what’s the theory here?”
A worthy game! Being in equal or winning positions against the greatest player of all time is no small feat!
You BOTH didn’t en passant?!??
sacre horsey!
Weakens structure in this game.
Is there a link to Brahs stream so I can see both POVs
I just think he wished he played a bit better saying "terrible game". great game tho Eric !
I think it's safe to say that a GOAT will have a different measurement of what "terrible" means. GG
Well carlsen maybe the goat but rosen is no leaf of lettuce ;)
In Norwegian, "terrible" is slang for "great," just as we sometimes say "bad" in place of "good."
Can someone tell me what time on the chessbrah vod magnus plays eric?
...thinking that Magnus isn't aware that you are renowned for stalemate traps.
...and also proud that you are aware that Magnus knows that you are renowned for your stalemate traps.
You are one of the first chess content creators I followed. It was during quarantine, I'd just picked up playing again (used to play competitively until the age of 8-9, mid 2010s) to manage boredom in a healthier and more creative way. I believe I followed agadmator, then you and Gotham for more active content from stronger players. No shade to Antonio though, I still love his videos and his style of reacting to top-level games.
I come back to your channel the most out of the three though. Your content is still game-oriented, not clickbaity or as in your face as other top chess RUclipsrs. It's mostly you and Danya nowadays. I want to thank you for staying consistent and staying true to the game. When I watch your videos now I get the feeling that you're the best of both worlds. Cheers
Go Carlsen! oops, I meant Rosen!!!!
Eric was so excited, he could feel his breathing.. i love zen mode whenever there is pressure to perform!!😅
The game was very interesting especially with the analysis afterwards. It would be much more so rapid as opposed to the blitz you were in. Although I know the extra time benefits both sides I think given the depth of understanding and pattern recognition you have that it would have shored up the rating difference between you guys - just my two cents. Super interesting game tho and hopefully we do see a longer game in the future if Magnus ever plays those.
3:12 ..."I'm in pain."
Thank your for your service u tried hard that game and we appreciate your ability to brute force power through these set backs
Oh I’m playing Santa Clause 😂😂
I think Eric is right that he had chances. For a while Eric's attack was menacing, he really had Magnus on the defensive. Not sure why he traded his queen, though, when it was so powerfully placed. But for blundering the king/rook fork, Eric still may have pulled out a victory..
I heard it as “can we see how you won?” “You can check the game, it was pretty terrible.” Referring to how he won as pretty terrible. Winning a losing position on time usually doesn’t feel great.
"Never resign when you have a knight" - keeps playing with 1 pawn.
He 100% means he played terrible
I think he meant he put himself in positions where he could have lost
Easy to armchair QB but Eric’s problem is he plays so scared against Magnus. If this was Zen Mode he’d have won because he wouldn’t throw away a minute at the start second-guessing. Tough loss. But moral victory, in a way.
i dont think he still would have won if it was zen mode
@@niranjanrajesh1058 i mean, stockfish himself gave Eric lot of advantage
You're known lol "he might try stalemate"
He criticized his own play. Because you made 2 blunders which saved him.
A rise in heart rate is necessary to meet the demands of physical exertion and/or an impending threat to one's life or physical well being. Funny how we have evolved to have this happen with a chess game.
It is obvious that when Magnus says it was "pretty terrible", he is only talking about how HE played... Given the fact that you were 1 tactic away from taking a significant advantage with Nxh2, i can see why he'd be hard on himself about it! Gg anyway!
Cant believe eric almost held a slightly better endgame against Magnus!
[Heart rate hits 150bpm]
Rosen: Call an ambulance!
It was terrible in the sense of "so many blunders from both sides." Like as if it was between lower-rated players.
At 11:46 isn't this just straight up winning for black? White bishop takes knight, right?
People always completely misinterpret Magnus being self-depricating as him being arrogant.
I can't believe Magnus played in this right in the middle of the Chess Champions Tour.
Lol - dude needs to unwind, see. And what better way than to play a relaxing game of chess?😅
paused @50sec. need a tea for this content!!
Why you move Ke7 instead Kc7 on 39 move of first match? Then opponent cant turn pawn into the queen
How often do you make the speed run serious? Is there a set day of the week you post?
You won this game. After you played a5, magnus failed to take en passant, forfitting the game.
based facts
Wing gambit, huh? I used to play that, as a teenager. ARound that time Kamran Shirazi was coming into the club every now and then - he was from Iran and this a different period in global diplomacy before the Shah of Iran came to NY for cancer treatment. Kamran had the reputation of being something of a madman tho very a strong IM. He sometimes would play 1. a4, 2. a5 3. Ra4 and 4. Rg4 or something equally wild. Likely Magnus would have bet him too, f it makes you feel any better.
Magnus, Hikaru & FIDE cheated Wesley So in the 2022 WFRCC.
Source:
p1w4Rr-1fL
Why isn't it unfair to Wesley So that FIDE lowered the WFRCC time controls from 60min in 2019 to 32.5min in 2022 ( w/o changing the name of course to 'rapid WFRCC'. if they change the name, then there's no problem ) considering the ff things?
(Note: 45+15=60, and 25+5+2.5=32.5)
Thing1
In the 2019 WFRCC, Hikaru & Magnus did better in 17min games than 60min games. Wesley So did better in vice-versa.
Thing2
Afaik
- (0min,10min) = blitz
- [10min,60min) = rapid
- [60min,120min) = classical but unrated for 2200+ players.
- [120min,infinity) = classical
Hence, Wesley So should be the CLASSICAL WFRCC and then Hikaru is the rapid WFRCC.
Wesley So beat Magnus 3x CLASSICAL (60MIN) games in a row HUMAN VS HUMAN, no computer prep!
Thing3
Yet for some reason FIDE insists that both 32.5min & 60min are 'slow rapid' while 17min is 'fast rapid'. They didn't even define these terms.
Check out the maths here:
I see only 2 reasonable definitions for slow & fast rapid.
-Def1 - Slow rapid means unrated classical [60,120) & fast rapid is rapid [10,60).
This means:
- There's no classical WFRCC.
- Wesley So is slow rapid WFRCC.
- Hikaru is fast rapid WFRCC.
- Hence, Hikaru is NOT a successor of Wesley So.
-Def2 - Fast rapid & slow rapid cut up rapid [10,60) into resp [10,35) and [35,60).
2 issues here:
- 60min is not in either of these intervals.
- Also, 32.5 is in [10,35).
So neither 60 nor 32.5 are slow rapid. Lol.
This means:
- There's no slow rapid WFRCC.
- Wesley So is classical WFRCC.
- Hikaru is rapid WFRCC, specifically fast rapid WFRCC.
- Hence, again, Hikaru is NOT a successor of Wesley So.
- Def3 - The definitions must be: Since 15+2=17 is fast rapid, we must have
- [10,X) fast rapid &
- [X,120) slow rapid, for some
17 < X < 32.5.
Like say X is some arbitrary number like X=20 or X=30. Lol yeah right!!
Thing4
Conclusion:
I believe the WFRCC was a conspiracy to get Hikaru / Magnus to win in parallel w/ the Hans Niemann situation. Think about this:
- Magnus quits the 2022 Sinquefield Cup. 1 day later, Hans Niemann, an American rival of Magnus, is harmed in another tournament, the 2022 CGC in that Hans is removed!
- Magnus quits the 2023 WCC. 1 month later, Wesley So, an American rival of Magnus, is harmed in another tournament, the 2022 WFRCC in that the time controls are reduced!
I hardly believe this is a coincidence. I bet Magnus even directed (or conspired w/) FIDE to remove (and hence cheat) Sergey (not American but Jewish like Hans & Bobby) from the 2022 candidates. Sergey's replacement Liren even cited as role models: Magnus, Garry & Veselin instead of Wesley, Bobby & Vlad ( as described in FlNsFKeq-iE ).
Of course there's no conspiracy at all if FIDE just says
'Ok Wesley So is classical WFRCC & Hikaru is rapid WFRCC. Sorry for the confusion!'
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P.S.
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P.P.S.
Interview while imprisoned
p1w4Rr-1Uk
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Uncle Bobby Fischer: My advice is to give up chess and take up Fischer Random.
- 2004Oct11, 15 years before nephew Wesley So became the inaugural WFRCC in CLASSICAL time controls.
Did you win? no. how do you disagree then?
Terrible is a word Magnus uses pretty loosely. He often criticizes himself though.
You'll never be in a position to formally compete with Magnus OTB. Calling him out publicly doesn't help your case. Yes, it was a nice game. But we in chat are no Magnus caliber players. Magnus felt the game was terrible and based on his standards he has every right to say so. I would be proud and happy to play Magnus if the opportunity ever presented itself. The last thing I would do is call him out to critiquing the game.
10:50 on move 18, I was sitting here thinking "why can't you just take the knight on d4?" But after looking, at the end of the line, Magnus can take the knight on b4, since the pawn is pinned to the rook on a8. Just thought that was interesting, in case someone else had the same thought I did.
that rook on a8 is defended by the other rook and the bishop so the pawn isnt pinned... i dont get why he couldnt take d4
wow, I initially assumed it had to do with some back rank issues, but just noticed that the knight on f6 defends e8
@@MrTedMcForeheadafter Bxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 white can trade queens which forces the rook to take whites queen after which white will play bxb4 and black can't take back because the rook on a8 is now undefended because of the trade of queens earlier
and the rook on a8 is undefended anyway because the bishop would be blocking the connection of both rooks
Ah the 60 second NF6 strikes again.
Is that starwars first or second trilogy
Oh no that was the N strikes back😅
I love your heart rate monitor spiking by move 4. Shows so much respect.
Damn!!! Its Win +16/Draw +8/Lose +0 for Eric. First time ever I've seen this
I think youre madly underrated and that Magnus‘ comment was about his own play, cause he mentioned that hes getting busted. If not, then Magnus should maybe check the game before saying things like this.
Regardless of what Magnus meant, it's becoming pretty obvious that Eric's a kryptonite for him judging from the constant snarky comments about the games
This is the best dude to watch if you want to fall in sleep.
3:10 listen to Eric taking that breath lol, me at 1300 takes the same one when playing on board in public
Wow confirmed at the end- Eric is a grandfather.
Magnus is very self-critical and the comment was not against you
I can just imagine the endgoats reaction when you got the queens off: Really? Really brah?! Well mmmkay then!
Cool, I don't know about chess software but I didn't know it's possible to challenge a #1 guy in chess as a terrible player in today's landscape.
Yeah magnus was clearly criticising his performance, not yours.
Hearing magnus saying that makes me so angry
Ggs bro you played very good
you vs. carlsen always entertaining
Take it as a compliment, when Magnus say he played pretty terrible. You gave him a run for the money
"aw, I was trying to set a stalemate trap". Because that would have felt good, right?
Is your heart-rate monitor broken, I've never seen it past 85 before?
That heart rate is the same as someone going on a jog. Chess is exercise!
wheres the volume?
Pump it up
I trust that you don't cheat but I can totally see how easy it would be for an unsporting player to cheat only very occasionally - perhaps only when there is one move that will result in an improved position and that improved position is unusually decisive. A player who cheated like this - only one or two moves a game - but the most important moves - would be very difficult to detect...
I thought you were GREAT!!! You could have won!!!! The clock beat you, not Magnus!!! I thoroughly enjoy listening and learning from you! You’re a great coach! Thank you for sharing the Magnus game!!!
Very well played. I really enjoyed that game and your analysis
Move 6 was an illegal move because en passant is forced.
13:59 what about Rd2?
And when Magnus plays Qxd2 ... ?
@@RGP_Mathsow. You right I don't see the follow up
Eric it was a good Idea to make a post on RUclips, otherwise I would have missed it! Thank you for your work :) Greetings from Poland!
Bravo Eric - I love your explanations and your humility, besides being a great player.
I'm not an expert by any means but it seems like Magnus plays random openings intentionally; and if I was the best in the world I think I'd probably do this too for several reasons, such as to entertain and test myself, and to even out the playing field for both of us so we both have to think about the game right from the start.
But I suppose there are so many different openings that it's hard to even find something that isn't a book opening..
It took the GOAT more than 50 moves to prevent you from defeating or stalemating him. Well Done Sir!
Dont count last 20 moves though
its an honor to play magnus
Eric, based off of your own comments, Magnus had to give some consideration two times in the game. Going against the current GOAT, that is something definitely worthy of sharing with the grand children.
let magnus make a queen for a bishop what terrible yes and I don't even play tshess
I didnt know Eric was a dad
heart rate hit 150 around 5:25
Sounded to me like Magnus was more mad at himself than the game.
3:34 Magnus didnt play en passant? If it's on the board you HAVE to play it
Magnus calls everything terrible
Yeah, as far as I can tell the goat isn’t an asshole. He knows you’ve got game or he wouldn’t have made the stalemate comment. Don’t sweat it. Keep calm and chess on.
Hey Eric, do you think your chances against higher rated players are better with a short clock or long clock? You are a slower paced methodical player which generally means you are in time trouble a lot. But would playing a longer game help your opponents more in your opinion?
I dont play chess but for some reason I do enjoy watching chess videos. One thing I have notice is how scared/tilted people get playing higher level players. I dont get it. You're likely to lose anyway. Why not bring out your stone cold killer persona and play agressive and see if you can force a blunder. If you lose at least you went down swinging plus you were likely to lose anyway so who cares.
I don't know who this Magnus guy is but he can do one.
Pretty terrible is better than ugly terrible