As the video states, the gains are above 5,000 rpm. You never drop below that range when racing anyway, so once you are out of first gear, you are always in the positive gain area.
This video is great! Mainly because I won't have to buy a cam. Less Low end torque is the last thing the coyote engine needs when compared with LS3s and SRT8s.
A full bolt on 2011 coyote with a boss 302 intake, jlt cai, bbk tb(not sure if 85 or 90), kooks headers, offroad x pipe and cat backs will put down 430 rwhp at 8,000 rpm and holds it until 9,000. We set rev limiter at 7,800 and shifted at 7,500. The intake manifold allowed long range rpm so stage 3's will be nice at high rpm...I now have a 14 and am about to go full cobra jet intake so I keep my low end torque and still rev high to hold gears a bit longer... seriously considering the stage 3 nsr cams.
With those bolt ons, and a Boss intake manifold, you can achieve the same gains by playing with the cam timing. People tend to neglect the hidden power in the cam timing.
I would have never cammed my LS2 if I had lost any bottom end. My cam cost 1/4 of the price and I picked up 34rwhp peak and made almost a 50whp gain at redline. I'd like to see a cam on this Coyote that gained more power and didn't lose any bottom end. Do some more research and get us a design that will improve power everywhere.
@Ironbloodus I agree with you, after you buy the parts and get a quality shop to install and tune you're in it for $1,500-2,000 right? For power you'll really only see above 7,000 RPM. Please tell me I'm wrong here. It seems that money can be put to better use: 1pc aluminum driveshaft, rear gears, racing stripe (LOL).
The FPV GT & FGX XR8 in Australia with the blown coyote see about 450rwhp stock with a 1.9L blower factory fitted. Tune only bumps it to about the 530rwhp mark. Injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, blower snout and tune sees around 600rwhp on 98 bit more on E85. Forced induction is the way to go with the coyote, even better when it comes out of the factory with a blower on it 👍 Much love from Australia though, you guys set the records we just try break em, and succeed every now n than too 😜
I was expecting to see some better numbers.. I think for the result, the cobra jet manifold with cobra jet throttle body and JLT CAI would be a more ideal solution... probably less expensive too.
Or you could say just get nitrous, or do e85 instead. 32whp across the top is going to make that car a lot faster. All it needs now is e85 and CJ mani to go with the cams.
***** How do you think the stage 3s would do with a stock intake? I realize it would be optimal with a cobra jet or boss intake, but I figured maybe the stock intake would help recoup some torque while the cams would help above 7k???
What a waste of money for 30 hp. The coyote already loses out on torque to the LS platform. With these you give up even more low end for not much top. Looks like forced induction is the way to go on coyote
Joe11Blue I could see blower spec cams being worthwhile on a forced induction setup for sure. The 4v head already flows crazy air and is more than enough to support 5.0 liters on a NA setup. That's probably why we only see relatively small gains. Law of diminishing returns is at play here. The coyote is one bad ass engine though for sure. Nice job Ford
Shannon Sisk If you're going for max power any stage 3 NA cam will be better than a FI cam. Keep your SCR around 10:1 or higher and just run monster cams. The larger the turbo or SC the better off you will be for an all out race build. Want flatter torque, run higher SCR and lower pressure levels. We've been doing this with Honda's for a very long time, and the engine philosophy of the Coyote is exactly the same. The power is in the head.
Yeah you start seeing the gains @ 5,000 rpm, but you don't have another 2,000 rpm to go, you can change the rev limiter up to 7,500+ rpm and with the addition of a Boss intake manifold, the torque and hp just hang there, even with the stock cams. You go bolting stage 3 cams (50+ peak hp gains) on a 5.0 with a Boss intake manifold/CAI and a spot-on tune, you're going to clear 500 hp at the crankshaft at over 7,000 rpm. I think cams are a great option for the 5.0's. Safe power that's always there.
guy made 410whp 398wtq at dyno tune performance here in Virginia beach with a 13 gt with headers off road x pipe full exhaust intake and tune. then made 441/410 from adding boss 302 intake manifold and 90mm throttle body. MUCH better combo than cams in my opinion and easier on the wallet.
Yeah these 5.0's will crank out 500 flywheel hp without even touching the cams. Going from stock throttle body to 90mm throttle body bumps the engine's breathing capability from 900 cfm to 1,100 cfm...pretty big difference. Although stage 2 or 3 cams on top of that is really the cherry on top IMO, huge gains of 40-50hp above 7k rpm
I have a 2012 Boss 302 with CAI and SCT tune dryno at 402rwhp I open track the Boss, which cam is best for open track high rev's and what HP increases to expect?
The stage 3's will see 50 hp gains up top, same price. Even stage 2's though, with all the bolties, will see a 5.0 up to around 500 hp at the crank, give or take. Stage 3's + full bolties will clear 500 hp, prolly 520-ish at the crank. It's the difference between a full-bolties 5.0 that puts down 420 hp, and a full bolties + cams 5.0 that has 10 second capability without boost or nitrous.
I search for new stuff all the time on ported head installs or cams, trying to stay N/A on my coyote and want to do these mods in the future. Thumbs up if you are getting tired of seeing Mustangs with blowers.
The engine pulls with significantly more torque where it matters though, from 5k to over 7k rpm. This makes for solid gains at the track. You're not even going to notice the torque loss on the street unless you floor it in the wrong gear...
Significantly more torque? I wouldn’t say that. Maybe 10 more ft/lb where as an LS motor losing almost nothing down low and gains 3k-7+, by the time the 5.0 makes power the LS motor is already well in its power band. This is why it’s almost not worth camming the DOHC 5.0 unless your plan is all out N/A
Not bad actually, look what 370Z owners are paying for that much of a gain lol 5-6K in bolt ons and they are lucky to hit 12s. Still can't hold a candle to how cheap LSX power is though.
Low end torque and HP is lower throughout the band until you hit around 5,000RPMs and you only have 2000RPM to go after that. Plus you're nothing seeing that peak gain until the very end. Don't see this as being worthwhile at all. Seems rather worthless to spend the cash for that.
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people dont understand the reason most of us click on these cam videos is to hear the idle..
As the video states, the gains are above 5,000 rpm. You never drop below that range when racing anyway, so once you are out of first gear, you are always in the positive gain area.
This video is great! Mainly because I won't have to buy a cam. Less Low end torque is the last thing the coyote engine needs when compared with LS3s and SRT8s.
Why would you drop your revs so low?
A full bolt on 2011 coyote with a boss 302 intake, jlt cai, bbk tb(not sure if 85 or 90), kooks headers, offroad x pipe and cat backs will put down 430 rwhp at 8,000 rpm and holds it until 9,000. We set rev limiter at 7,800 and shifted at 7,500. The intake manifold allowed long range rpm so stage 3's will be nice at high rpm...I now have a 14 and am about to go full cobra jet intake so I keep my low end torque and still rev high to hold gears a bit longer... seriously considering the stage 3 nsr cams.
With those bolt ons, and a Boss intake manifold, you can achieve the same gains by playing with the cam timing. People tend to neglect the hidden power in the cam timing.
I would have never cammed my LS2 if I had lost any bottom end. My cam cost 1/4 of the price and I picked up 34rwhp peak and made almost a 50whp gain at redline. I'd like to see a cam on this Coyote that gained more power and didn't lose any bottom end. Do some more research and get us a design that will improve power everywhere.
Coyote is a short stroke engine. I own LSX and coyote engines. LSX is cheaper to build too.
I would like to see someone install stage 1 or stage 2 cams on the same year f150 coyote and see how much power they pick up.
@Ironbloodus I agree with you, after you buy the parts and get a quality shop to install and tune you're in it for $1,500-2,000 right? For power you'll really only see above 7,000 RPM. Please tell me I'm wrong here. It seems that money can be put to better use: 1pc aluminum driveshaft, rear gears, racing stripe (LOL).
The FPV GT & FGX XR8 in Australia with the blown coyote see about 450rwhp stock with a 1.9L blower factory fitted. Tune only bumps it to about the 530rwhp mark. Injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, blower snout and tune sees around 600rwhp on 98 bit more on E85. Forced induction is the way to go with the coyote, even better when it comes out of the factory with a blower on it 👍
Much love from Australia though, you guys set the records we just try break em, and succeed every now n than too 😜
I was expecting to see some better numbers.. I think for the result, the cobra jet manifold with cobra jet throttle body and JLT CAI would be a more ideal solution... probably less expensive too.
Or you could say just get nitrous, or do e85 instead. 32whp across the top is going to make that car a lot faster. All it needs now is e85 and CJ mani to go with the cams.
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How do you think the stage 3s would do with a stock intake? I realize it would be optimal with a cobra jet or boss intake, but I figured maybe the stock intake would help recoup some torque while the cams would help above 7k???
What a waste of money for 30 hp. The coyote already loses out on torque to the LS platform. With these you give up even more low end for not much top. Looks like forced induction is the way to go on coyote
Cams plus forced induction.
Joe11Blue I could see blower spec cams being worthwhile on a forced induction setup for sure. The 4v head already flows crazy air and is more than enough to support 5.0 liters on a NA setup. That's probably why we only see relatively small gains. Law of diminishing returns is at play here. The coyote is one bad ass engine though for sure. Nice job Ford
Shannon Sisk
If you're going for max power any stage 3 NA cam will be better than a FI cam. Keep your SCR around 10:1 or higher and just run monster cams. The larger the turbo or SC the better off you will be for an all out race build. Want flatter torque, run higher SCR and lower pressure levels.
We've been doing this with Honda's for a very long time, and the engine philosophy of the Coyote is exactly the same. The power is in the head.
Who cares about being down on torque. This year mustang was lighter and accelerated quicker than the camaro
I agree , the Coyotr makes good power. But the trq saddens me. I need at least 450 ft lbs trq
Yeah you start seeing the gains @ 5,000 rpm, but you don't have another 2,000 rpm to go, you can change the rev limiter up to 7,500+ rpm and with the addition of a Boss intake manifold, the torque and hp just hang there, even with the stock cams. You go bolting stage 3 cams (50+ peak hp gains) on a 5.0 with a Boss intake manifold/CAI and a spot-on tune, you're going to clear 500 hp at the crankshaft at over 7,000 rpm. I think cams are a great option for the 5.0's. Safe power that's always there.
If you can possibly get a 30rwhp with a stage 2 how much do you get with a stage 1 ?
Nice....but you left out the idle. Where's the rough choppy idle and quick throttle response that lets you know you've swapped cams?
The idle change is very, very minor. The computers job is to cancel out overlap to increase engine vacuum.
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How about stage 3 With kit springs my car now 420 hp ?
Wit a stage 3 cam and a 3400 stall and fbo any 1/4 mile times ? On a 2013 5.0 auto
guy made 410whp 398wtq at dyno tune performance here in Virginia beach with a 13 gt with headers off road x pipe full exhaust intake and tune. then made 441/410 from adding boss 302 intake manifold and 90mm throttle body. MUCH better combo than cams in my opinion and easier on the wallet.
Yeah these 5.0's will crank out 500 flywheel hp without even touching the cams. Going from stock throttle body to 90mm throttle body bumps the engine's breathing capability from 900 cfm to 1,100 cfm...pretty big difference. Although stage 2 or 3 cams on top of that is really the cherry on top IMO, huge gains of 40-50hp above 7k rpm
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I call BS
ihatecrackhead I agree with you
I have a 2012 Boss 302 with CAI and SCT tune dryno at 402rwhp
I open track the Boss, which cam is best for open track high rev's
and what HP increases to expect?
Which cam is being used in this video...stage 1,2, or 3??? It would be very helpful to know....
It's the stage 2 cam in this video
How do these cams differ (good or bad) to the cobra jet cams
The stage 3's will see 50 hp gains up top, same price. Even stage 2's though, with all the bolties, will see a 5.0 up to around 500 hp at the crank, give or take. Stage 3's + full bolties will clear 500 hp, prolly 520-ish at the crank. It's the difference between a full-bolties 5.0 that puts down 420 hp, and a full bolties + cams 5.0 that has 10 second capability without boost or nitrous.
I search for new stuff all the time on ported head installs or cams, trying to stay N/A on my coyote and want to do these mods in the future. Thumbs up if you are getting tired of seeing Mustangs with blowers.
Hardly seems worth it for that huge drop in torque for several thousand rpm
The engine pulls with significantly more torque where it matters though, from 5k to over 7k rpm. This makes for solid gains at the track. You're not even going to notice the torque loss on the street unless you floor it in the wrong gear...
You don't race at 3k RPM. The torque loss wouldn't bother me at all. My Yote will be cammed.
Significantly more torque? I wouldn’t say that. Maybe 10 more ft/lb where as an LS motor losing almost nothing down low and gains 3k-7+, by the time the 5.0 makes power the LS motor is already well in its power band. This is why it’s almost not worth camming the DOHC 5.0 unless your plan is all out N/A
doesn't seem like new mustangs are worth camming really..
i wanna know how much power that's y i came
Bluecollarperformance has some stuff that might interest you on an N/A application. Or Americanmuscle....both are dot com websites
32rwhp but wait til he decides to port the heads and boss intake...atleast 80+
Cams hell yeah , I love the mustang GT with out blowers ,, if they want blower Mustang why don't they just buy a Shelby .
1500 for cams plus labor, 30ish hp doesn't seem very cost effective, the only way to go is forced induction or nos, hmm how to get it past the wife...
Not bad actually, look what 370Z owners are paying for that much of a gain lol 5-6K in bolt ons and they are lucky to hit 12s. Still can't hold a candle to how cheap LSX power is though.
I was just thinking the same thing, those numbers suck.
A little but of torque loss down low? More like a ton. Look at 3k rpms. That's crap for a street car
Low end torque and HP is lower throughout the band until you hit around 5,000RPMs and you only have 2000RPM to go after that. Plus you're nothing seeing that peak gain until the very end. Don't see this as being worthwhile at all. Seems rather worthless to spend the cash for that.
This isn't worth it at all.
It is if your motor is already out and in rebuild mode
4 min video promoting new cam's for the coyote and no idle clip?..........
Never enough hp
$2500 for 17 hps isn’t ideal.
im really tired of it
The idle change is very, very minor. The computers job is to cancel out overlap to increase engine vacuum.