The most ironic part is that most "live action" movies are just _animation anyway._ Like, where you see Iron Man flying around in his suit that's _visual effects._ Its basically just "realistic" animation that always ends up looking worse, and will age poorly in the years to come.
Live Action Maker: "Animation is so colorful because it's fir kids. For Adults it has to be dark" "Sir? We almost can't see anything on the screen" "Perfect"
Grandma, you aren't going blind, it's just no one who makes live action shows and movies understand contrast and lighting anymore. Let me prove it by showing you animation gems like Avatar. Several hours later...Grandma: "But...What happened to Zuko's Mother? I need answers dammit!"
oh god like that episode of game of thrones that was supposed to be a huge battle that acts as the final climax of the entire show, but you literally couldn't see shit the entire episode lmao
Every time a new live-action remake is announced, I think of a certain line from The Good Place; "There's something so human about taking something good, and ruining it a little so you can have more of it."
Without watching the video, I can already tell you we didn’t need a remake. It’s AVATAR, a show considered by most people to be perfect. So unless the remake follows the show scene-by-scene (in which reception would probably be meh), the audience won’t like it. The only valid reason I can think of it existing is to spite the horrible excuse of a movie we got.
You don’t have to watch, I love live action magic. It’s literally the closest we’ll ever see to real magic, I’m fine with seeing it on screen. People forget it’s as simple as don’t pay attention to the shit you don’t care for 🧐 you will always have the perfect animated version, this one is doing nothing to affect that 🕺🕺
This is likely a hot take, but I'm glad they're removing Sokka's sexism, given that it didn't really fall in line with East Asian values (fans are unisex, not purely feminine) or Inuit culture (where I think women are more respected). Plus it was only for one book. I think focusing on his insecurity as the nonbender would work well, since it's not fully embraced until around book 3.
Yeah but I'm starting to notice people saying they see people act like live action things are upgrades when in reality it's just a adaptiation in a different form of media
I also think that part of why animation is looked down upon, is because most people don't respect it and don't respect visual arts in general. They maybe don't understand how much work goes into it, how much work one needs to do to be as skilled as to create something so incredible. We can see it in how artists and their work is treated in recent phenomena such as NFT or AI where creator's artwork gets stolen and used without a second of remorse. Comparing it to music and how much friction there would be if someone copied or used a musician's track without their consent, artists who are distraught about their creations being stolen are seen as whiny and annoying by most people.
@@lorettabes4553Even before the digital age I had to correct people who thought animation was easier because ‘you just draw it’ and I’m like litterally everything in every frame of an animated series is created by an artist from nothing. If you wanna shoot a scene in a park IRL, you just find a park, get a license to do it and shoot the scene. If you want a park in animation not only does a visual artist place every tree, the audio/sound department has to create every piece of audio ambiance to make it sound like you are not just hearing dialogue in a sound void. The amount of work it takes to make animation, let alone amazing good animation like Avatar the Last Airbender is so under rated.
@@TheDawnofVanlifeas someone who went to school for film, people like that genuinely hurt my brain lol. A video contains 24 frames every second, meaning 24 different images played rapidly in a single second to mimic fluid motion. For animation, that's 24 completed drawings for every second of video, fully colored and all with enough consistency to trick the brain into thinking it's a cohesive sequence and not just a bunch of random drawings. Break it down like that and it's a goddamn miracle we have such high quality animation in the first place, humans are scary good at art when we want to be
Yes, Animation is not respected as much as it should be, and I hate that, because I love animation of all types. Although when you said "Comparing it to music and how much friction there would be if someone copied or used a musician's track without their consent, artists who are distraught about their creations being stolen are seen as whiny and annoying by most people". I just wanted to point out that artists are constantly having their music stolen, not just illegal downloads, but parts of songs are taken and reused by other artist, in a proses referred as sampling, which has a complex history, or just rip offs like Vanilla Ice's song "Ice Ice baby" which took its sound from another song. The point I am trying to make is that no art or entertainment is safe from thief or plagiarism, and the people who steal these I.P.s always play down the importance of the medium they are stealing. I personally think this is a problem that rises form unchecked, unregulated capitalism and the need for artist and entertainers to have to copyright everything they do so that they can pay for food and housing, but that is a longer comment.
To quote Walt Disney: "Animation can explain whatever the mind of man can conceive." A sentence I belive is ture, after all if something is unrealistic it hurts a live action, but animaton demands from the very first second the audiences suspension of disbelief so it hurts less, when something impossible happens.
most modern movies are basically animated nowadays anyway. the crazy amount of cgi in movies is just high res 3d animation… which is why the supposed lion king live action is still so funny to me. how is it live action if most of it is cgi??
@@tsuki3752most movies are not in fact animation. Most movies don't have a huge budget, they can't just throw money at CGI artists, so the use of such effects is pretty limited. The only movies that do it a lot are blockbusters.
What you said about writers putting in less effort into kids shows because kids are passive watchers that'll watch anything may apply to the later seasons of Winx Club.
This May Apply to everything. Now the only way that cartoon creators can use their creativity is in streaming shows or Disney channel (unless the show have gays)
@@shawerful5209 How can you say that when leftist agenda is everything, everyone will air it everywhere no questions asked because the leftists overlords have taken over even your fridge (joke).
My mom is not a fan of animation. I tried for years to get her to watch gravity falls and Avatar as well as other shows I loved but she just wasn’t interested. Then 2020 hit and I bought the whole show on dvd and we were stuck in the house for the foreseeable future she was bored and gave in! Three episode a day was supposed to be our limit but she just wanted to keep watching so we finished the show super fast and then she would request her favorite episodes! Most of them had Sokka or Zuko. She loved it! I was so excited this got her to finally watch gravity falls too! She’s not a lover of animation but she has a few shows she likes and after she did asks to see the live action movie she made me turn it off after the called him “Oneg” plus She was terrified of live action appa lol! we rewatched the first episode instead! She also loves Ratatouille and SPIDERVERSE but she’s become a lot more opened to animated content thanks to last air bender! She literally said ew when she saw it on Netflix’s coming soon tab I had to explain it was a new series and not the movie she still wasn’t impressed.
i wish my brother would ever come to his senses like this, but he is stupid in this regard. Some people will never change, will never truly give it a chance, will never accept you may be suggesting something actually good, and in the best of cases they will watch something animation related but not at all anything of what you suggested to just either say "see, i'm open to it (but not really)", even if they do watch something with you (and i had this happen to me) they'll be spacing off on purpose and expect you to see it as almost a favour that htey are watching it with you (i had my brother straight up say "this is bad and for children" after spacing off and watching spirited away, and i know he isn't the exception), or to spite you since they keep ignoring any suggestions of yours while you always take interest in theirs, or to choose something mediocre as hell to watch and then to say "yeah no animation is bad/for children" and confirm their own bias. in a paralel dimention it would be great if my brother (or anyone in my family) could appreciate avatar or any animated content really, but it will never happen despite my best and patient efforts. All of this to say, there are a lot of people out there who will never give animation a chance no matter what, and while the live action adaptation is bad and won't likely truly impress anyone as the series of the year or anything, those poeple who avoid animation like the plague might at least watch it. (it isn't a good thing in my eyes, but i see why an investor would cash in on this)
I'd rather they make a live-action show with a new avatar--you know, expand the property. But hopefully this turns out well and gives more attention to the original.
I just don’t think that would work since Avatar Studios probably owns all the rights to any future avatar characters. They already have been giving small details about the next earth Avatar so Netflix definitely wouldn’t be able to create a new one. Maybe a show about a past avatar could work tho, I always thought the first Avatar had such a fun and neat origin story.
Korra has butchered everything . With that stupid harmonic conversion And the obsession with tumblr of the shows creator means they have declared that avatar spirit is always in love with females so every female avatar is bi
@@noahkeolanui4478 I would love a story following the second avatar and how they and the world come to realize that Wan isn't completely dead and gone. How would the second Avatar ever even react to finding out that they were the next master of all four elements?!
Animation is for kids! - Stupid executives [Insert any Blue Eye Samurai fight highlighting unfiltered rage that audiences can resonate with] Animation is for whoever the hell wants to see these stories. - everyone else
Animation is for kids is something I actually believed at first and is why I was very secretive about watching animation around a year ago+- (I was 16) because, (even though I technically still count as a kid) I saw it as something bad. But a bit later I realized that its the biggest BS you can ever believe and as you said: Animation is for whoever wants to see the stories and enjoy them. Some stories need animation, and for some I even prefer animation. Its just sad people don't always realize it. (People around me as an example)
The first Animations were targeted at Adults, the 60's and 70's also had plenty of Adult cartoons. Just because a lot of cartoons were made for kids it doesn't mean it was exclusive to them. Even Disney originally targeted Families, which includes the Adults obviously. There are several theories on where that misconception came from, but it is easily disproved by very simple examples like Fritz the Cat.
It is why I still laugh at people who complain about an animated movie that was MARKETED and given a RATING for an older audience being suprised that dark themes (Ie Kakegurui, Made In Abyss, Evangelion) are present in those shows or movies (Not that shows that maybe 7+ can't tackle those topics either in their own way, but point remains the same) because they don't want to get over the stigma of "Animation is for kids"
It was, in part because they had the creator as a part of the process, unlike the movies. Every change was made with his blessing, because even he said that looking back, there were more things he'd change or erase, and with 8 episodes (32-45 minutes) covering 400 pages, there is only so much you can do.
That would have been amazing. Live action will always have limitations that animated series don’t especially with underaged primary actors who inherrently have more limitations then adults. The good thing about animation as well is that you can just use good voice actors and ignore physical limitation. Like very few real elders can do action scenes at the same intensity as a 20-something. But that’s not an issue in animation, you can have an older character who isn’t either a young person in old age makeup or swapped out for a stunt double actually do incredible things due to whatever circumstamces are set up on the story. Also, you can draw a character anyway you want and just find the right voice. No need to be limited by how much an actor does or doesn’t resemble the character concept.
The writers really need to sit down and understand why the original show creators made the choices they did. Like if they try to give Ozai some kind of sympathetic backstory, they should go ask themselves “Wait, is there actually a very good reason Bryke chose to keep him fairly simple and straightforward as a character?”.
Except the thing is giving him a backstory wouldn’t make me feel bad for him it would simply explain why he is the way he is that wouldn’t make his actions justified however we already have enough background to know he was just raised that way.
And TBH, if some guy was going on a rampage (which is what Ozai essentially did in the finale), why should we care about his backstory and not just try to stop him?
This seems to be a thing with lots of villains recently. Seeking for explanations why they became these sick twisted psychos, while also fishing for sympathy. I still haven't seen the Cruella movie with Emma Stone, and I never will. Nothing justifies cruelty to animals, no matter how tragic their past may be! Seriously, look at the world, there are enough vicious psychopaths out there. I also don't put the blame on someone's upbringing. At the end of the day, people choose to act as viciously as they do. Ozai and Zuko grew up in the same family with the same ideology, but while Zuko chose to change for the better, Ozai is a freaking lunatic. I don't even want to feel bad for someone like that!
Because money and because, despite thousands of examples to the contrary, animation is still seen as “for kids” and can’t be taken seriously unless it’s shot through an expensive camera with expensive actors, expensive sets, expensive CGI, and expensive reshoots. What? You drew that entire action scene on a piece of paper for a tenth the budget? How childish.
I actually think it’s also part of a general stigma against general audiences media in general. Like the idea of shows and movies that aren’t MA or R Rated being legit pieces of art is not respected. Like we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity and we want constantly edgy and r rated. Remember when everyone was begging for an R rated Dune movie when the remake was being made. Despite both the source material and the 1984 movie being PG13 people were begging for it to be R rated. And people ended up being disappointed when Dune got a PG13 rating because it was trying to be faithful to the material which remember was PG13 to begin with. I think the real problem is that we have a contempt of anything PG or general audiences. When we should not be evaluating a films quality based on rating because it restricts creators in a box. If David Lynch the director of Eraserhead and other more adult films is able to make a G rated film about a man driving on a tractor to visit his brother with cancer release under the Disney company and lynch refer to it as one of his great films(it’s not a kids movie by far because it will bore kids most likely) it shows how much we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity rather than actually understanding that you do not need to have your film be R rated to be acceptable as a great movie. Now I am not being a prude but it’s just part of a larger problem.
and to be clear I am not shaming good r rated movies. It just that not every one of the films with that raring is little miss sunshine or godfather etc and not every kid film is oogielobes and the big ballon adventure. There are good family movies and bad adult movies and vice versa. It’s not determined based on a rating but how well a movie is done
I will say every time i hear about a live action adaptation and see a trailer i mostly only think "i wanna rewatch the animated stuff". Like i do think for example one piece Live action was done well, but i can not help myself thinking like "i wanna go back to my pretty animated world, no need for that realistic stuff" Like however good a CGI effect thing can look, personally for me at least, i will not sudenly feel more immersed init, instead most likely i will feel even taken out
So you just ignoring anime that has been mainstream since attack on titan? You live in a rock. Unless you’re talking about in the states then yeah it is kinda.
@@herosshade2247 dog he did say 2D as In general including American cartoons and last I checked they are still doing 2D and no one talks about them because they are actually for kids and not anime. 2D is not underrated my guy.
If it makes you feel any better, Avatar is getting an animated movie in 2025, with the animation being done by Flying Bark (mostly known for working on Rise of the TMNT and Lego Monkie Kid's animation). So at the very least, whatever we get in 2025 will probably be one of the best looking movies of the year, at minimum
I started watching One Piece shortly before the live action came out, watched both almost in tandem and continued onward with the anime. In currently at episode 223 and there's no way in hell they could successfully adapt anything after episode 45. There's a talking furry reindeer doctor with 4 different transformations, a river that goes upstream, a man living on a island on a biosphere inside a giant whale, two giants fighting on a tiny island, a criminal organization full of people with wacky superpowers, a man that can eat anything and transform into what he eats, a civil war caused by a man that can turn anything into sand, an archaeologist that can grow limbs wherever she wants, Nami gets a rod with climate powers, Luffy befriends some seal-turtles, they fking went to an island in the sky by riding a giant geyser, sailed through a sea of clouds, fought a guy that was literally made of lighting, rode on a giant falling vine in the sky with a motorcycle, sailed through a sea of clouds then came down to the regular sea by using an octopus as a hot air balloon. Tell me how the hell any of that would be possible in live action without looking like garbage? I mean sure the first arc was grounded enough with some fantastical elements, but after that it goes full on wacky cartoon logic
Exactly! And the rest of the series just continues to make things even wackier and more unhinged and more impossible to translate to CGI without it looking absolutely trash no matter how hard they try. It would probably dampen a lot of the variety of the character designs too. Where the anime allows characters to be all shapes and sizes, live action would just turn them into either regular people or CGI creatures.
I think theres a bit of a bias in there against episodic storytelling too. Where anything that doesnt drive the larger serialised plot forward is considered filler or a bottle episode. I feel like episodic storytelling has become less common popular overtime in tv which is a shame cus i think that globetrotting feel atla had comes from that element. Also i agree asoiaf would work really well in animation. So many of the descriptions of places and characters are very imaginative and larger than life because Grrm wanted to be unbound in the story he was telling. Animation can capture that better than live action.
Also, serialised storytelling means that you can extend one plot for three seasons and drip feed it, meaning you will keep audience attention whether they like it or not.
@@christopherbennett5858 I actually think it’s also part of a general stigma against general audiences media in general. Like the idea of shows and movies that aren’t MA or R Rated being legit pieces of art is not respected. Like we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity and we want constantly edgy and r rated. Remember when everyone was begging for an R rated Dune movie when the remake was being made. Despite both the source material and the 1984 movie being PG13 people were begging for it to be R rated. And people ended up being disappointed when Dune got a PG13 rating because it was trying to be faithful to the material which remember was PG13 to begin with. I think the real problem is that we have a contempt of anything PG or general audiences. When we should not be evaluating a films quality based on rating because it restricts creators in a box. If David Lynch the director of Eraserhead and other more adult films is able to make a G rated film about a man driving on a tractor to visit his brother with cancer release under the Disney company and lynch refer to it as one of his great films(it’s not a kids movie by far because it will bore kids most likely) it shows how much we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity rather than actually understanding that you do not need to have your film be R rated to be acceptable as a great movie. Now I am not being a prude but it’s just part of a larger problem
@@noahbossier1131 I think it’s the aesthetic of maturity. Or, more specifically, the illusionary trappings of maturity. Those would be sex, gore and swearing. We associate maturity to equate to age ratings and that a higher rating would mean better quality. In reality, most people online discussing animation don’t want to have the animated equivalent of Schindler’s list. They just want Toonami with more blood.
@@christopherbennett5858 yeah I saw a RUclips video discussing this issue and mothers basement also brought it up. It’s a bigger issue than animation being stigmatized
@@noahbossier1131 Essentially, people want to sound mature like they’re still telling their mothers “These aren’t dolls, mom. They’re collectibles” because time is finite and they want the stuff they spend their time on to look to everyone else like it matters.
You know what, I support an animated adaptation of Once Upon a Time! Though I do demand they use the original shitty concept art of the season 1 gingerbread house as a gag
Bro, I said that at the time. Especially since any recurring combat magic boiled down to fireballs and arrow-catches. That, and any army never had more than 5 dudes. My running joke became "more fierce than a Storybrooke Army."
Want to know what's even worse? WB made a animated movie like Who Frame Roger Rabbit (so a mix of live action and 2d animation) but used it for tax evasion and want double it's worth to even release the movie for people to see.
i am so sick of studios being able to do that, getting more money from not releasing something is deranged. they should be required to release it first before they can claim it as a loss, it has to actually fail before you can claim it to have failed, even if you set it up so it could not not fail by setting the bar for success at an impossible point for financial bs.
@@willowarkan2263 I don't even think it was going to fail, i think it would have done great, but what I don't get, is why make something only to throw it away?
@@swordkingx4874 I am not saying it was going to fail, I am saying they could expect more money by throwing it away then by releasing it, which shouldn't be possible. Also I believe they can do some financial bs that involves projected revenue, that is beyond all reason, then use that probably for loans or investment, then turn around do some market research magic to claim their impossible projection can't be reached and therefore it's a loss, that they can then get back from their taxes, so at the end of the day they made more money not releasing it then releasing it, because there are legal(enough) financial pathways to do so, probably put in place by some industry lobbyists in the first place, doesn't even need to have been from the same industry. And i am saying that any success by any sane metric could be sold as a loss, if success is measured in absurd ways. It's like making all the money in the world is a loss, because you defined success as getting all the money in the world twice, so nothing short of breaking the laws of mathematics could reach that standard for success.
You refer to Coyote vs Acme, a Looney Tunes movie that had the interesting premise of Wile E Coyote suing the Acme corporation for defective product distribution. Zaslav has also done the same with the Batwoman and Supergirl movies. It's infuriating how those movies will never see the light of day (especially CvA)
It's not about Avatar - The Last Airbender needing a live action remake, it's more about Netflix needing another big hit show after Stranger Things ends.
Well they better keep listening to Oda for One piiece then. Season 1 was great but season 2’s the true test of if this respects the spirit of One piece. Once we hit the grandline Oda’s imagination goes through the roof.
The thing that annoys me about Netflix is they have had plenty of hit shows that could have been their next big thing alongside Stranger Things if they'd allowed them to be. But as we all know they keep cancelling shows regardless of how well they do or how popular they are. They don't give anything a real chance so it's nigh impossible to want to invest time in their content when odds are they'll just axe it for no real reason anyway. Meanwhile they'll keep hiking up their prices too, hence why i cancelled my subscription to them. But yeah like you said, they don't need Live-Action Avatar, they just want another big hit, yet the're the ones choosing to keep axing their own shows before they've even had a chance to grow an audience big enough to become their next hit.
Oh damn, I'm still in the intro part, but I need animated adaptations of live action films and series so bad. If it was in my hands, I would make everything animated 😂
Imagine what could be done with the first six star wars films as full on dedicated series. I mean look at the 2D and CGI clone wars shows and the stories they could tell
Honestly I agree. Besides animation is a far more complex medium than the Brain rott simple Media of live action (which has ran it's course at this point and needs to die)...
I agree completely. My question has always been, why do we consider live action to be an upgrade? Realism is not the end of art.. if it was, what reason would there be to draw or edit when photography and video exists? They are all necessary, and serve different purposes. There are many, many things which live action cannot do that animation is just naturally suited for. Look at Arcane's masterful use of facial rigs for Jinx which transition her face between 'Powder' and 'Jinx.' for a more modern example. Also, since it is pretty rare to see the opposite direction, here are two well known massive story worlds which have adapted animated projects to live action projects very well! (And also, expanded on them, not just replicating the originals beat by beat) -The animated series created for Star Wars; The Clone Wars Series expands beautifully on the Prequels, uses animation as a way to bring its alien characters and environments to life, and grows into using masterful color and choreography. This also goes for Bad Batch and Tales, by the same/similar teams. And don't forget the 2D Clone Wars animated project! -many dc's animated series served as the first entries for many superheroes and vilalins. Some of DC and Marvel's best stories came from these shows, even after their live action forays took over. DC's Justice League/Justice League Unlimited and Teen Titans for example, have a genuine connection between their heroes, and characterize them in multifacted and heartfelt ways through simple moments and stories which are not too complex for their own good. Most of DC's works in this area are based solely on the comics and predate live action projects, but many were created after or alongside repsective live action projects, and there a tons of stories which only exist in comic pages and animation to this day. Marvel also has several projects like this too.
It’s not supposed to be a upgrade you thinking of it that way is why you don’t like it. It is supposed to be a recreation so you can experience the show again through a different way!
It’s kinda funny that a lot of people who find animation as inferior compared to live action, but when you think about a lot of live action blockbusters and shows requires cgi which is animation to pull off certain things. Marvel, Star Wars, DC, Jurassic World, Fast and Furious, Godzilla, Stranger Things, and more uses cgi to make their settings and characters look realistic as they can.
Pretty much every time I see a live-action series or movie (sitcoms not withstanding) I ask the friend/family member closer to me "Now, think about how cool this would be if it was animated."
some of it wouldn't cause the animation would not be able to capture certain stuff. without going overboard. ala stuff that is meant to be kinda hyper realistic
Animation is in a lot of ways a better medium than live action especially for high quality fantasy settings. This is compound by the fact that better visuals require more time or more animators to achieve making a lot of the best looking shows/films have some of the greatest stories while the same can't be said for live action. Having said all that, I believe even bad adaptations can create more interest in a series, especially in areas where television/streaming rights limited the series to a smaller audience. Here viewers of the live action after watching or hearing about a film / tv show may seek out the source material.
BUT there are still a ton of people going to pay for it if it would be sold or screened in the cinema. there is an audience for it, dont know why but there is.
I think another problem, has to do with the streaming platform, there are no more reruns of shows so they aren’t really bringing advertised, you have to actively search something out on streaming it’s not randomly playing like the old days
I'm with ya. When live-action remakes started being a thing, I remember being excited at the thought of how something I loved would look in a different medium. Now, after being burned too many times, I'm desperately mashing the "Fuck, go back!" button. Despite this, I really had some hope that they had learned their lesson with the Last Airbender movie. But, yeah, the more news that comes out about it, the more I realize that they haven't.
Does it need a live action remake? No. Especially considering they're removing so many of the original elements. "Toning down" Sokka's sexism, removing "filler" from the show like the King of Omashu or the elephant koi, apparently there's not really gonna be a romance between between Yue and Sokka, no Koi-zilla etc. and you know exactly why they're doing this is likely because each "book" will be 6 or 7 episodes long, so they'll need to hurry things along. Something I will NEVER be able to understand is, if they WANT more avatar content, why not MAKE more avatar content? Instead of telling the story we already know but literally abridging it by removing crucial elements. Why not animate the comics? Most of us who were going to, have already read the comics, but I would love to see them animated. Why not make NEW stories? Same thing with the HTTYD franchise, WHY set up Hiccup and Astrids kids and then never do anything with them? Instead of the absolute shit that was The Nine Realms, they could have told a whole new story involving the kids of the original characters.
@@DragonGoddess18no they aren’t. Netflix never made a statement about this same with koizilla. This person is also wrong cause they have literally released images of king bumi they are not removing those. They also aren’t changing sokkas sexism for woke reasons it is because they want it to be represented in a less cartoonish way. People read news and assume it never lies exaggerates or takes things out of context when that is all the articles do to get more clicks. The first book is also 8 episodes not 6 or 7and I would guess each season will be longer as it continues. This person has done no proper research.
I will say, I feel like remaking a piece of media in a different medium does enable the creator to explore different aspects of a work (perhaps more realistic costume and makeup, or character dynamics that might be otherwise overshadowed by bombastic action, technical aspects to make the bombastic action make more sense in a live action context), and thus there is value to that. However, most of these adaptations aren't made out of some sort of artistic exploration and advancement, but rather as cash grabs. You do make interesting points though, about how we're always live-actioning animation but never animating live action.... That does definitely demonstrate a social preference for one over the other, further demonstrating that these decisions aren't really being made out of some idea of 'artistic exploration' I do wonder if maybe that preference is out of a desire to see it in a more 'realistic' sense, because this isn't _exclusive_ to western animation. While Japan does seem to have greater respect for animation as an art form, the most popular animes still get the live action treatment, it usually just doesn't bleed over to the west (because if you are a western anime fan, you probably are that _because_ you prefer animation as a medium). Perhaps the reason people prefer live action is because, especially for a property like avatar, people want to be able to see themselves in it. Animation is separated from them, its 2d and therefore its harder to to envision it as 'real'. But live action is very realistic (even if the cg is pretty bad) and therefore it enables a viewer to imagine that it is real.
So one nice thing about a relaunch is that it usually gets people going back to watch the source material. I'm really hoping that I've set my expectations so low that the show will really exceed them.
Yes! Thank you! I’ve been saying this for YEARS! What is this crazy hatred of animation and simping for “live action” that so many people engage in? I can’t think of a single instance off the top of my head where a “live action” remake of an originally-animated IP was considered better than the original.
I'm still adamant that, if I had unlimited resources, I would pay ANYTHING to see a masterful adaptation of the Leviathan book series by Scott Westerfeld traditionally animated using a similar art style to Keith Thompson's illustrations from the books.
I would have preferred a new animated show personally. I actually think having it set as short season stories would have been really cool. We could have gotten a four episode story from Roku or past avatars, seen the original group as adults, or Korra as an older avatar. The possibility with that is endless and would have been more exciting to me than a remake
I remember hearing about a WETA Workshop proposal for live-action Neon Genesis Evangelion movie(s). Back then, that interested me; today the idea is unappealing. I think remakes should be done if a work was incomplete or failed despite its potential. Will Disney remake The Black Cauldron or do a proper adaptation of The Chronicles of Prydain? They re-acquired the rights in 2016. That may be worth while than remaking everything that was successful before.
remaking good ideas that had poor executions(or not so great ones) is a great concept like john carpenter did with the thing , but sadly we live in a world where remakes is just about cashing in on name recognition
honestly same thought. like i understand at least why theyd do that for a book, a visualization of the story yeah ok but this is already animated. why does it need a live action remake lol. theyre just milking the show for money fr i think this might still be interesting bc bending will look cool but just as any other live remake, my expectations are low
All the news around it (sokkas sexism being removed, aang being more serious) is fake. Sokkas sexism is being changed to be less cartoonish and aang will have less side quests for cost efficiency tho. I think people don’t understand the point is to re experience the show in a different way NOT improve on the original.
I have hadoeople tell me that I should be watching "grown-up" shows, when animation has been my everything for years. I watched Avatar: Last Airbender when was in my early teens and it made an impact on my life, heck the end of season 2 had me in shock, I wanted to cry when Zuko came so close to redeeming himself and then betraying Katara and even his own uncle, who stood by him through everything for his father's love and approval, which the audience knew he was never going to get. The end of season 3 was beautiful and I watched it so many times over, after that first watch. Anime has gotten me through some of the hardest times of my life. My point is, it's so sad that animation has been reduced to "Child's Play", just for children which would make Walt Disney, who created animation for all heartbroken if he saw what today's generation was doing to animation and his work. I can't choose between animated or live-action series or movies because I adore both, I just hope that one day the world will re-evaluate their view on animation to make it what it used to be when the beloved Walt Disney walked the Earth. SIDE NOTE: Y'all should watch "From Now on: A Tribute to Animation, it's heart-warming and nostalgic and gives animation the respect and love it deserves🥰💙
Its a MURRICA thing animation is considers a medium for childrens consumption inspite of it's strengths. I mean the Witcher show vs nightmare of the Wolf? Hell I think Wheel of time, and Malaazan would probably be better animated especially if you don't have the Live action budget. Which both series require, imagine a Gundam Style remake of the Expanse or of the Honor Harrington universe a la Legend of galactic heroes.
Malazan I think would be fine live action tbh, the magic of the series I think at least to my minds eye would lend itself well to cgi with just big ass purple explosions Also it’s so damn long it prob needs to be live action so we can actually get enough of it Now the stormlight archive, that must be anomated
Back in high school, when a school year was ending, we literally had nothing to do in class, but most still went. I started bringing my DVDs from home to lend to the teacher so we could watch in class, and the teachers most of the time accepted. I was often met with "But it doesn't have real people!" comments, because those students didn't even know the term "live action", because to them, live action was just the standard. They would literally get upset while watching, and not angry upset, but sad upset, like "This is what you serve me on my plate?". It's the same most places I go, yet I've never met anyone who despises live action and only watches animation, but the opposite is common. My English teacher liked Spirited away, at least.
Honestly most fans wont see this live action as a better version or upgrade, but just a different way to tell the series. I just hope they add in new scenes that expand on the original material and not anything out of character or feeling when it comes to ATLA. So far it's looking good but we just hope its good all the board.
I had the same concerns about them making a medicre version of a terrific show and possibly leading new viewers to think the hype for the original was unjustified. I was glad to see it won't just be a shot for shot remake, but then I too am not a fan of them removing character growth elements from the narrative, like Sokka's sexism. At least they are adding something new to the mix, which will justify me watching it rather than me simply rewatching the original. I doubt that the live action show will lead to more viewers of the original though.
4:40 Anastasia (1997) is the only animated remake of a live action film (1956) that I can think of, and, much as I love Yul Brynner and Ingrid Bergman, the remake was SO much better!
The only one I can think of that really was a live action first then got adapted to animation was Henry Danger. The animation did not last that long as the live action one did.
Personally, I like live action remakes like I like my general remakes. I like seeing its adaption, however they choose to do it. I am excited for ATLA because it's one if my favorite shows and even if it is bad, the original is always there Edit: also totally agree that remakes would be amazing taking live action to animated! The examples you listed especially
I remember someone on Twitter putting it like this: When the guys behind the One Piece LA spoke, you could see their love for the anime and manga When the guys behind this show speak, you realize that they see animation as a lesser medium
@@noobmasterruben5167 that’s how I know you don’t know what you’re talking about because they only said they’re toning it down not taking it out. And the first reactions mentioned that his misogyny is still present in some way. And the game of thrones thing is referring to making it more mature. So I’m conclusion you’re just following the hate train and not having your own conscious thoughts.
@@kylejackson7913 bla bla bLA . Its pretty clear to me that the showrunners dont give a crap about character flaws. They're Ok with some on screen violence and probably genocide but Sokka being a mysoginist is part of his character. They also want Aang to be more focused which I just dont get because Aang is supposed to be stubborn & childish that's his main flaw. Im starting to get why the creators left the show
I personally think the reason people make live action or remake of anything is so they can capitalize on the success of the original without having to put much effort or risk into it. Creating a story that gathers an audience is hard, and it can easily flop (other elements like the medium or casting or anything is important but tolerable if they’re not the best- meanwhile, no one will stick around for a boring story), so they want to tell the same story in as many mediums as they can to squeeze the last bit of money that story can get them
Live action versions of shows can be cool when done well. They are a great way to recapture some of that excitement of watching/reading a story you loved again. it can bring new fans to an older franchise. Then the skill and effort it takes to do things in the real world hold value in of itself. Such as one piece, it was so cool seeing a "real" Going merry. I cant think of many other live action versions of shows that really worked, but that's because Hollywood just uses it as a cheap building fan-base for a quick buck. live action is not the issue its the bloody suits.
Fantastic Video as always. I personally don't care if it's animated or not. Kill Bill and blue Eye Samurai are the perfect examples of a revenge story with female main characters that succeed in their own right.
The only great live-action remake adaptation Disney has made was Cinderella, and that says A LOT. And the thing how many of us don't ask "what if this was remade into animation?" resonated so much with me! Like, there's another Harry Potter 'reboot' on the works and I thought 'what if it was animated instead?' There are so many great artists out there that can bring to life that live actions can't do, and they are all hindered by the fact that the masses think that animation is for kids (which it's not)!
I kind of wish that the video also talked more about the positive side of modern animation like how animation has been pushing the medium, through Blue Eyed Samurai, Spiderverse, Puss in Boots, Arcane, etc. 2025 is even bringing us a new Avatar movie that will be animated, which will directly address people asking for new stories in the Avatar universe. We don't *need* a live action Avatar, but the same could be said for a live action Last of Us or One Piece either, etc. It all comes down to whether the writers behind the work can do something justice.
“That cost less to make” The Lion King: $45 million budget The 2019 Photorealistic Animated Film That Insists It’s The Lion King Live-Action Remake: $250-260 million
I still say Lion King 2019 is the biggest affront to animation there ever was, and I hate how people think it’s the “live action” version. Nothing can be worse…. hopefully.
I agree with your premise, but there was a time when companies did go the live action -> animated series path. In the 80's and 90's there were a lot of cartoons based off movies (Beetlejuice, Ghostbusters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Back to the Future...)
It will be they can say the names correct. All the rumours are fake as well. Watch all the new clips and trust me it looks amazing way better than you know what
"Animation is for kids!" Is a primarily US /Western statement. Although I think that idea might be changing? If not with executives, then the general audience is becoming aware. Other countries think of it as a whole spectrum anyone, of any age, can enjoy. Japan is most known for this, but I watched animation from European countries that us definitely not "kid focused" whatever that means. Because again, kids aren't dumb. Things like annoying, pointless sidekicks can annoy them too.
I think the legend of korra was a good show if it wasn’t a continuation of the original T^T I also rlly hate how people can’t leave animation where it is and accept that it’s a world of possibilities.
While I'm happy to see a much more faithful (in spirit) adaptation of the Percy Jackson series, I cannot express how disappointed I was to find out that it would be live action. There's literally so much magic and monsters and fantastical things that could just be done way more easily in animation. I don't understand the obsession with live action for things that would be so difficult to achieve with realistic cgi effects.
I love animation. There’s an attitude online as of late where you either have to be vehemently for or against something. I am not watching it because I hate it or anything. I have the original and that is enough. It’s not going to succeed or fail because of me. If it is good great here is the amazing thing that inspired it. If it sucks I saved myself 8 hours.
I'm not opposed to the concept of a live action remake existing... What I am opposed to is the proposed premise behind most live action remakes. Setting aside the corporate side of why these remakes keep happening, often, there is this weird sense of pretension as people say the live action remake is meant to appeal to a "more mature audience" and act as if it is going to be somehow superior just by virtue of it having real people on the screen. I won't knock the concept of some people simply connecting better with living human faces on the screen due to whatever personal reasons... but that's not the kind of person I'm talking about with this. We all know that jerk who likes to sing the praises of "realism" while sneering and snickering at the "childish" and "immature" fools who refuse to "grow up" and leave animation behind. They're quick to talk about changes in the remake as if they are always huge improvements to the source material. (Every time I heard someone talk about how the live action remake Cinderella had "so much more agency and free will" than the old animated version, I kinda wanted to scream.) Characters might be changed in various ways to keep them in congruence with modern sensibilities, and certain changes to the story are presented as if they are meant to be "improvements" on the source material... Improvements can happen... Sometimes a character that wasn't well written, or properly fleshed out in the original, can have a bit more substance in the remake. Sometimes a story element that wasn't expressed clearly enough in the original can be made more effective. However, if the change is counter to what was the *point* of the source content, then what did it really make better? Like... I'm sorry (not really), but, when I heard about Sokka's sexism being toned down, I was IMMEDIATELY very apprehensive. I'm still hoping they actually just mean they're taking out a moment or two that might feel superfluous or unnecessary in this shorter series in order to streamline the lessons on healthy masculinity that he STILL LEARNS... I'm not holding my breath, but it's a nice thought... The same goes for how they said they want Aang to start taking things seriously much sooner than he does in the original, removing the "silly" side quests that comprise a bulk of those first episodes before the storm. I'm *hoping* it's just that, because this won't run for as many episodes as the original, they just want to streamline the process a bit more, but they actually *won't* fully remove the important point that the reason WHY Aang is such a goof at the beginning is partly because he's just a *KID* who's trying to have fun and distract himself with fun adventures in order to avoid thinking about the big scary destiny that he *NEVER WANTED* in the first place... Even then, "streamlined" isn't the same as "better"... I see it the same way I see movie adaptations of books. I can understand the changes made due to the change in medium. Provided the source material is respected in the process, I can see the vision for many of the creative changes brought on by new perspectives on the materials. I can even acknowledge a remake or adaptation as brilliant in its own right for various reasons... It very likely won't be "better" than the original... Just a different experience. Like... This could be our DBZ Kai. 🤣 Streamline the story and perhaps improve the voice work and dialogue in places where it may be needed.
"Why do we never wonder what a peace of life action media would look like animated?" Funnily enough, a lot of people have been saying for a while that "Percy Jackson and the Olympians" would have been perfect for animation. The dicussion has somewhat reignited with the new TV adaptation.
22:46 I think the new term you’re trying to come up with is “Are you vaping cactus juice?!” Though personally the biggest issue I have with a lot of the “woke,” changes that allot of people hate is that often times these creators take the story, deconstruct it, then add in these progressive ideas. While at the same time failing to understand why the story told as it was worked so well. Be it this new live action Avatar, getting rid of Sokka’s sexism, and Katara fighting agents the northern water tribes sexist beliefs. The Disney live action little mermaid changing the “kiss the girl,” scene because of reasons I don’t think they even get. Or just having these live action remakes getting rid of love between the lead female character and the princess because somehow love is lame now. And god forbid the men actually want to help and contribute. Or you know they just hate the original for whatever god same reason and yet there put in charge of the remake. Also, how the hell is it that animation is so expensive yet CGI animation is so cheap now?
Great video bringing up a lot of points i havent seen amongst broader audiences anticipating the live action adaption, and love the fun juxtaposition of animation being effectively recognized with the advent of Snow White, to today's insistence on live-actionifying anything animated to make it more palatable for pretentious audiences. I've been very skeptical of the Netflix adaption since effectively its announcement. Though i could possibly entertain exploring an expanded universe in live action, say the life of Avatar Roku or Avatar Kioshi, --gosh that sounds so awesome, ..adapting the original series feels unnecessary, if not artistically bankrupt. What about the story in the original series warrents improve when the original was nearly perfect? There are i suppose a number of side characters or character dynamics that could see new exploration (jet being one supposed example,) and has potential to be mildly interesting, but when Netflix reveals they've stripped Sokka; one of the most important characters, literally a team member, of his story arc, is that and whatever else they're cooking up really worth everything we stand to loose, or stand to see again but now in live action? And that's just my contentions with retelling the original story, not even getting into the shortcomings of liveaction vs animation. Animation **inherently** is the more expressive and versitile of the mediums, both for character expression, and choreography of the bending as well. -I'm sure the live-action actors are doing their best but they do not sound or look in character with the direction they were given. -I get they wanted to go a bit "darker" for this take on avatar, (..probably cuz execs wanted the adaption to appear more "mature" to distinguish itself from the original.) But that also feels like it ..misses the entire appeal of the original? -The warmth the characters exuded inspite how dire the situation could go? In respect to choreography, the Shyamalan film famously had atrociously sluggish fight scenes due to practical limitations, and the Netflix adaption ..frankly looks just as bad, but with a higher budget in vfx. The more i dwell on it, the more i can't reason that adapting the original series had any justifiable merit outside of well, ..money. For an adaption or remake to truly justify it's existence, it needs to do a lot, either to improve upon the original work, or greatly distinguish itself from the original work in a compelling way, ..and i from what little weve been shown I dont see the Netflix adaption as effectively accomplishing either.
The reason is experience the show again in a different way not improve upon the original. I don’t think you have watched all the new clips yet they are perfectly in character.
@@talkingweevil3172That is not what I said; I said the point of an adaption is to EITHER 1) improve upon the original work, or 2) distinguish itself from the original work. The issue i have with what we've seen of the adaption thus far is that the change in medium or casting of different actors won't be enough; it needs to do a lot to distinguish itself as it's own thing, ..yet it was arguably the medium of animation and warm charactization that gave the original show its heart, at least in my eyes. I think the Netflix adaption conceptually was just an uphill battle from the start. Maybe they'll pull through, but I and others have every reason to be skeptical following the last adaption we got. If it comes to it I'll eat my words, but I again think a new story set in the same universe would've negated all lot of the uncanny comparisons between it and the original show.
@@LanceBerylDev my point remains the same. Other than those two reasons the reason why it is being made is because fans want to experience it again not to make drastic differences.
Whenever I see these unreadable blue gray cgi schmear lighting disasters, I am like Mrs. Hasagawa in Lilo and Stitch, "WHY IS EVERYTHING SO DARK?" I'd rather have my head enveloped by a watermelon by a little angel from outter space than sit through live action remakes.
In my opinion, live action remakes are a hit or miss for me. And it's mainly because of how they are represented. Take Fate for example. Winx Club was a vibrant show, and the creators had a lot of ammunition to work with. Instead, they decided to try to make it into a dark, gritty, CW show. I like animation more because of how much room there is to play around with character expressions and the world around them. When I get my show ideas off the ground, I would love to have them drawn in some of my favorite animation style. Something like the ones from Max Steel, Spectacular Spider-Man, or Generator Rex.
As someone who's been screaming about Animation being underappreciated as a medium, it always makes me happy to see I'm not the only one that feels this way :')
Honestly Im just more excited for the Live Action. Not because I hate animation, I love it, its the best form of media imo. It just follows the same thing as One Piece did, where even though Avatar has way less episodes, I don't wanna watch it all, as I dont exactly have hours of time at once. Instead I watch the Live Action thats just a few episodes and if I really like the show Ill watch the anime. (The live actions are pretty much trailers for me) otherwise I just like both forms. Cause even if the live action is bad as fuck, I still enjoy it. (I mainly watch them to see if I enjoy the story)
Technically the wizzard of oz had animated adaptations, technically. You could say that it was the first live action to animation. Besides that, here are my suggestions of Live Action mediums that I'd think would have great **2D** (not 3D[youcorperatefuc-]) animated adaptations; 1. Jumanji 1995 2. Zathura: a space adventure 3. The adventures of Sharkboy & Lavagirl (I loved it as a kid. If it were animated, It'd be good) 4. Home Alone (potentially, but maybe not applicable) 5. Forrest Gump (but each episode tells an 11 minute story in a comedic way)
Thought, The Wizard of Oz was originally a book, so they probably, even if they actually adapted the movie, claimed to adapt the book series (which has been in the public domain since 1956, at least the first book).
Funnily enough, I've often found myself watching a live action movie and wondering what it would look like or how it would play out if it were animated. A lot of my favourite movies and shows are animated. I guess I'm just drawn to animation. If animation were a person I'd give them a hug
What happened to us as a society where we’re all so negatively opinionated and nasty like Lmfaoo… ya I love avatar it’s my favourite show of all time Ofc I want a high budget well done live action. Have a Coca Cola with some ice and go touch grass, life is beautiful.
I remember when the first season of the Show aired out and I was 2 years into Wushu and me and my colleagues were so excited because the Earthbenders moves were exactly the ones we were practicing. We went very excited to show clips of the series for our master and he was like: "I've already seen it, it's awesome".
actually not the point of the video but you pointed it out and I went "huh true" Why IS lighting always so shit in modern live action stuff? like you can hardly see a thing until the screencaps hit tumblr and the girlies go in and color correct everything
Wow the things you said about animation hit hard, im a hardcore animation fan (watch almost exclusively anime/cartoons) and yes i do consider it childish and quirky. And animation is always so pretty and colorful, while when watching live actions thinks are so often just gray (Ariel, Peter Pan - thank you Disnay, you destroyed the whole aesthetic and compleatly mised the point) Even tho i know some animations have the standard of appealing to adults (Arcane and Castelvenia proved if but anime like AOT, Vinladn Saga or shows like Sheera and princesses of power are also at such a high standard). I love netflix Carmen Sandiego (even tho the storie suffered from beaing rushed, and im a fan of Dragon Prince. Winx seasons 1-4 will always be my fav, and W.I.T.C.H is a masterpiece. But yeah for evry masterpiece animation there will always be a miraculous ladybug or my little pony make your mark to cover up what animation could be. (I did watch both of them, but only once xD) As for avatar live remake im hyped. Not because i want a live adaptation specifically, but because i wached the show like 10 (or more) times alrady, and getting that chance to watch it again from a slightly different angle is absolutely great. I would probably be as hyped if they said, we doing an animation remake to fledge out the beautiful story even more. Im just happy to get ATLA again, since this show has been my hyperfixation for years.
It was actually Disney's artstyle that influenced anime. Before him, they were in all kinds of styles, but they've most all adopted the post Disney style. Yes, modern Disney is now copying anime, but it actually started at the House of Mouse
Something funny. Ever since I was a child I prefered animation over live-action, like people would say that cartoon is for children and I would just say to them that live action looks ugly. I wasn't just talking about cgi trying to look realistic I was saying that real life people looked uglier than cartoon and that therefore it was inferior. Of course now I'm an adult I'm past that mentality, yet if you gave me the choice of watching a movie in live-action or animation, exactly the same thing, copy pasted, just one animated and the other live-action. I'd choose the animated one in a heartbeat, no questions asked.
The most ironic part is that most "live action" movies are just _animation anyway._ Like, where you see Iron Man flying around in his suit that's _visual effects._ Its basically just "realistic" animation that always ends up looking worse, and will age poorly in the years to come.
why not drown your property in the danger zone of the uncanny valley.
To be fair 2008 IronMan still holds up well due to practical effects. The latter showings, not so much
that makes me think of the lion king remake, cause that is literally just another version of animation tf?!
A better example is the Lion King remake. Iron Man is still mostly live action but the Lion King remake is literally just animation but "better"
@@johnbowen5220 Well yeah but my point was even in movies with actual actors there's still animated vfx mixed in.
Live Action Maker: "Animation is so colorful because it's fir kids. For Adults it has to be dark" "Sir? We almost can't see anything on the screen" "Perfect"
This
Grandma, you aren't going blind, it's just no one who makes live action shows and movies understand contrast and lighting anymore. Let me prove it by showing you animation gems like Avatar.
Several hours later...Grandma: "But...What happened to Zuko's Mother? I need answers dammit!"
thats actually so true
@@ZinervawyrmWhat's everything else ... What happened to the rest of it... ??
oh god like that episode of game of thrones that was supposed to be a huge battle that acts as the final climax of the entire show, but you literally couldn't see shit the entire episode lmao
Every time a new live-action remake is announced, I think of a certain line from The Good Place;
"There's something so human about taking something good, and ruining it a little so you can have more of it."
Ahaha great use of that quote
Good one. 👏🏼
Perfect. Live action remakes really are the froyo of cinema.
What a well-earned burn!!!🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥 🚑
Without watching the video, I can already tell you we didn’t need a remake. It’s AVATAR, a show considered by most people to be perfect. So unless the remake follows the show scene-by-scene (in which reception would probably be meh), the audience won’t like it. The only valid reason I can think of it existing is to spite the horrible excuse of a movie we got.
You don’t have to watch, I love live action magic. It’s literally the closest we’ll ever see to real magic, I’m fine with seeing it on screen. People forget it’s as simple as don’t pay attention to the shit you don’t care for 🧐 you will always have the perfect animated version, this one is doing nothing to affect that 🕺🕺
@@noahkeolanui4478imagine seeing vfx as more magical than animated colourful drawings
@@joeyleblanc4284 imagine seeing human work as art in general than being simply hateful ✨
This is likely a hot take, but I'm glad they're removing Sokka's sexism, given that it didn't really fall in line with East Asian values (fans are unisex, not purely feminine) or Inuit culture (where I think women are more respected). Plus it was only for one book. I think focusing on his insecurity as the nonbender would work well, since it's not fully embraced until around book 3.
@@noahkeolanui4478 is being hateful want art to progress instead of recycling itself into live action?
"Animation is for kids, adults watch live action!" is like saying "Paintings are for kid, adults look at photos!" 🙄🤣
Yeah but I'm starting to notice people saying they see people act like live action things are upgrades when in reality it's just a adaptiation in a different form of media
This is a great comparison. I hadn’t thought about it that way. 🤔😊
Western mindset!
@@GaionSputro OK?
I also think that part of why animation is looked down upon, is because most people don't respect it and don't respect visual arts in general. They maybe don't understand how much work goes into it, how much work one needs to do to be as skilled as to create something so incredible. We can see it in how artists and their work is treated in recent phenomena such as NFT or AI where creator's artwork gets stolen and used without a second of remorse. Comparing it to music and how much friction there would be if someone copied or used a musician's track without their consent, artists who are distraught about their creations being stolen are seen as whiny and annoying by most people.
It's pretty wild! It's like people think Animation is done by computers these days.
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Always since digital animation started, people began to believe that and they still do.
@@lorettabes4553Even before the digital age I had to correct people who thought animation was easier because ‘you just draw it’ and I’m like litterally everything in every frame of an animated series is created by an artist from nothing. If you wanna shoot a scene in a park IRL, you just find a park, get a license to do it and shoot the scene. If you want a park in animation not only does a visual artist place every tree, the audio/sound department has to create every piece of audio ambiance to make it sound like you are not just hearing dialogue in a sound void. The amount of work it takes to make animation, let alone amazing good animation like Avatar the Last Airbender is so under rated.
@@TheDawnofVanlifeas someone who went to school for film, people like that genuinely hurt my brain lol.
A video contains 24 frames every second, meaning 24 different images played rapidly in a single second to mimic fluid motion. For animation, that's 24 completed drawings for every second of video, fully colored and all with enough consistency to trick the brain into thinking it's a cohesive sequence and not just a bunch of random drawings.
Break it down like that and it's a goddamn miracle we have such high quality animation in the first place, humans are scary good at art when we want to be
Yes, Animation is not respected as much as it should be, and I hate that, because I love animation of all types. Although when you said "Comparing it to music and how much friction there would be if someone copied or used a musician's track without their consent, artists who are distraught about their creations being stolen are seen as whiny and annoying by most people". I just wanted to point out that artists are constantly having their music stolen, not just illegal downloads, but parts of songs are taken and reused by other artist, in a proses referred as sampling, which has a complex history, or just rip offs like Vanilla Ice's song "Ice Ice baby" which took its sound from another song. The point I am trying to make is that no art or entertainment is safe from thief or plagiarism, and the people who steal these I.P.s always play down the importance of the medium they are stealing. I personally think this is a problem that rises form unchecked, unregulated capitalism and the need for artist and entertainers to have to copyright everything they do so that they can pay for food and housing, but that is a longer comment.
To quote Walt Disney: "Animation can explain whatever the mind of man can conceive."
A sentence I belive is ture, after all if something is unrealistic it hurts a live action, but animaton demands from the very first second the audiences suspension of disbelief so it hurts less, when something impossible happens.
most modern movies are basically animated nowadays anyway. the crazy amount of cgi in movies is just high res 3d animation… which is why the supposed lion king live action is still so funny to me. how is it live action if most of it is cgi??
For real, it’s basically a photo realistic animated film that’s not as good as the original.
*all of it is CGI.
@@trevorpacelli8056 lol honestly. i didn’t wanna say it all was bc i wasn’t sure but im not surprised
@@tsuki3752most movies are not in fact animation. Most movies don't have a huge budget, they can't just throw money at CGI artists, so the use of such effects is pretty limited. The only movies that do it a lot are blockbusters.
When Dante Basco was asked about his opinion on the live action tv show he said "who asked for this" my thoughts exactly.
What you said about writers putting in less effort into kids shows because kids are passive watchers that'll watch anything may apply to the later seasons of Winx Club.
True
This May Apply to everything. Now the only way that cartoon creators can use their creativity is in streaming shows or Disney channel (unless the show have gays)
@@shawerful5209 How can you say that when leftist agenda is everything, everyone will air it everywhere no questions asked because the leftists overlords have taken over even your fridge (joke).
Audiences love animation, it’s corporate executives who hate animation
My mom is not a fan of animation. I tried for years to get her to watch gravity falls and Avatar as well as other shows I loved but she just wasn’t interested. Then 2020 hit and I bought the whole show on dvd and we were stuck in the house for the foreseeable future she was bored and gave in! Three episode a day was supposed to be our limit but she just wanted to keep watching so we finished the show super fast and then she would request her favorite episodes! Most of them had Sokka or Zuko. She loved it! I was so excited this got her to finally watch gravity falls too! She’s not a lover of animation but she has a few shows she likes and after she did asks to see the live action movie she made me turn it off after the called him “Oneg” plus She was terrified of live action appa lol! we rewatched the first episode instead! She also loves Ratatouille and SPIDERVERSE but she’s become a lot more opened to animated content thanks to last air bender! She literally said ew when she saw it on Netflix’s coming soon tab I had to explain it was a new series and not the movie she still wasn’t impressed.
i wish my brother would ever come to his senses like this, but he is stupid in this regard. Some people will never change, will never truly give it a chance, will never accept you may be suggesting something actually good, and in the best of cases they will watch something animation related but not at all anything of what you suggested to just either say "see, i'm open to it (but not really)", even if they do watch something with you (and i had this happen to me) they'll be spacing off on purpose and expect you to see it as almost a favour that htey are watching it with you (i had my brother straight up say "this is bad and for children" after spacing off and watching spirited away, and i know he isn't the exception), or to spite you since they keep ignoring any suggestions of yours while you always take interest in theirs, or to choose something mediocre as hell to watch and then to say "yeah no animation is bad/for children" and confirm their own bias.
in a paralel dimention it would be great if my brother (or anyone in my family) could appreciate avatar or any animated content really, but it will never happen despite my best and patient efforts. All of this to say, there are a lot of people out there who will never give animation a chance no matter what, and while the live action adaptation is bad and won't likely truly impress anyone as the series of the year or anything, those poeple who avoid animation like the plague might at least watch it. (it isn't a good thing in my eyes, but i see why an investor would cash in on this)
I'd rather they make a live-action show with a new avatar--you know, expand the property. But hopefully this turns out well and gives more attention to the original.
I just don’t think that would work since Avatar Studios probably owns all the rights to any future avatar characters. They already have been giving small details about the next earth Avatar so Netflix definitely wouldn’t be able to create a new one. Maybe a show about a past avatar could work tho, I always thought the first Avatar had such a fun and neat origin story.
@@noahkeolanui4478 I think a show about a previous and unknown Avatar would work well.
@@OpticalSorcererI don't have faith in the higher ups
Korra has butchered everything .
With that stupid harmonic conversion
And the obsession with tumblr of the shows creator means they have declared that avatar spirit is always in love with females so every female avatar is bi
@@noahkeolanui4478 I would love a story following the second avatar and how they and the world come to realize that Wan isn't completely dead and gone.
How would the second Avatar ever even react to finding out that they were the next master of all four elements?!
Animation is for kids! - Stupid executives
[Insert any Blue Eye Samurai fight highlighting unfiltered rage that audiences can resonate with]
Animation is for whoever the hell wants to see these stories. - everyone else
Animation is for kids is something I actually believed at first and is why I was very secretive about watching animation around a year ago+- (I was 16) because, (even though I technically still count as a kid) I saw it as something bad.
But a bit later I realized that its the biggest BS you can ever believe and as you said: Animation is for whoever wants to see the stories and enjoy them. Some stories need animation, and for some I even prefer animation.
Its just sad people don't always realize it. (People around me as an example)
The first Animations were targeted at Adults, the 60's and 70's also had plenty of Adult cartoons.
Just because a lot of cartoons were made for kids it doesn't mean it was exclusive to them. Even Disney originally targeted Families, which includes the Adults obviously.
There are several theories on where that misconception came from, but it is easily disproved by very simple examples like Fritz the Cat.
@@torchhead1643same. I even felt ashaned of showing my comics to other people in high school. Nowadays i publish animations whenever i have the time
It is why I still laugh at people who complain about an animated movie that was MARKETED and given a RATING for an older audience being suprised that dark themes (Ie Kakegurui, Made In Abyss, Evangelion) are present in those shows or movies (Not that shows that maybe 7+ can't tackle those topics either in their own way, but point remains the same) because they don't want to get over the stigma of "Animation is for kids"
*"Animation is for kids, adults watch live action!"* is like saying *"Paintings are for kid, adults look at photos!"* 😂😂🤣
I really want an animated Percy Jackson and the Olympians adaptation. But nah, they went with action again! I heard new show is enjoyable though.
It was, in part because they had the creator as a part of the process, unlike the movies. Every change was made with his blessing, because even he said that looking back, there were more things he'd change or erase, and with 8 episodes (32-45 minutes) covering 400 pages, there is only so much you can do.
@@RyLHatch1989 Yeah i got to admit, as a die hard lover of the books, i actually really liked some of the changes they make in the show.
I loved the Percy Jackson show, but I hope they fix the lighting for S2, some episodes of S1 where incredibly poorly lit.
That would have been amazing. Live action will always have limitations that animated series don’t especially with underaged primary actors who inherrently have more limitations then adults. The good thing about animation as well is that you can just use good voice actors and ignore physical limitation. Like very few real elders can do action scenes at the same intensity as a 20-something. But that’s not an issue in animation, you can have an older character who isn’t either a young person in old age makeup or swapped out for a stunt double actually do incredible things due to whatever circumstamces are set up on the story.
Also, you can draw a character anyway you want and just find the right voice. No need to be limited by how much an actor does or doesn’t resemble the character concept.
@@hoeyinwong5087I agree. As a book reader, I don’t think the show being animated would have a lot of episodes since they are short.
The writers really need to sit down and understand why the original show creators made the choices they did.
Like if they try to give Ozai some kind of sympathetic backstory, they should go ask themselves “Wait, is there actually a very good reason Bryke chose to keep him fairly simple and straightforward as a character?”.
Except the thing is giving him a backstory wouldn’t make me feel bad for him it would simply explain why he is the way he is that wouldn’t make his actions justified however we already have enough background to know he was just raised that way.
@@talkingweevil3172The animated version didn't need to go into the backstory to explain why he is the way he was
And TBH, if some guy was going on a rampage (which is what Ozai essentially did in the finale), why should we care about his backstory and not just try to stop him?
This seems to be a thing with lots of villains recently. Seeking for explanations why they became these sick twisted psychos, while also fishing for sympathy. I still haven't seen the Cruella movie with Emma Stone, and I never will. Nothing justifies cruelty to animals, no matter how tragic their past may be! Seriously, look at the world, there are enough vicious psychopaths out there. I also don't put the blame on someone's upbringing. At the end of the day, people choose to act as viciously as they do. Ozai and Zuko grew up in the same family with the same ideology, but while Zuko chose to change for the better, Ozai is a freaking lunatic. I don't even want to feel bad for someone like that!
I would fucking hate that. The Zodiac Killer literally murdered people because he wanted slaves in the afterlife, pure evil is NOT unrealistic!
Because money and because, despite thousands of examples to the contrary, animation is still seen as “for kids” and can’t be taken seriously unless it’s shot through an expensive camera with expensive actors, expensive sets, expensive CGI, and expensive reshoots.
What? You drew that entire action scene on a piece of paper for a tenth the budget? How childish.
it's the other way around though drawing it cost more, or do you mean the perception is that it is cheaper?
Yeah
I actually think it’s also part of a general stigma against general audiences media in general. Like the idea of shows and movies that aren’t MA or R Rated being legit pieces of art is not respected. Like we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity and we want constantly edgy and r rated. Remember when everyone was begging for an R rated Dune movie when the remake was being made. Despite both the source material and the 1984 movie being PG13 people were begging for it to be R rated. And people ended up being disappointed when Dune got a PG13 rating because it was trying to be faithful to the material which remember was PG13 to begin with. I think the real problem is that we have a contempt of anything PG or general audiences. When we should not be evaluating a films quality based on rating because it restricts creators in a box. If David Lynch the director of Eraserhead and other more adult films is able to make a G rated film about a man driving on a tractor to visit his brother with cancer release under the Disney company and lynch refer to it as one of his great films(it’s not a kids movie by far because it will bore kids most likely) it shows how much we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity rather than actually understanding that you do not need to have your film be R rated to be acceptable as a great movie. Now I am not being a prude but it’s just part of a larger problem.
and to be clear I am not shaming good r rated movies. It just that not every one of the films with that raring is little miss sunshine or godfather etc and not every kid film is oogielobes and the big ballon adventure. There are good family movies and bad adult movies and vice versa. It’s not determined based on a rating but how well a movie is done
@@noahbossier1131 okay then
I will say every time i hear about a live action adaptation and see a trailer i mostly only think "i wanna rewatch the animated stuff". Like i do think for example one piece Live action was done well, but i can not help myself thinking like "i wanna go back to my pretty animated world, no need for that realistic stuff"
Like however good a CGI effect thing can look, personally for me at least, i will not sudenly feel more immersed init, instead most likely i will feel even taken out
14:20 Or Arcane, that is both a storytelling and visual masterpiece while also being a more adult-oriented series animated series
2D Animation is so underrated.
No it isn’t in slightest. It’s underused in theatrical movies now but it’s in no way underrated.
So you just ignoring anime that has been mainstream since attack on titan? You live in a rock. Unless you’re talking about in the states then yeah it is kinda.
Ihavenoname internet popularity is not the same thing as irl popularity. Anime is still considered "that foreign thing that kids like".
@@herosshade2247 dog he did say 2D as In general including American cartoons and last I checked they are still doing 2D and no one talks about them because they are actually for kids and not anime. 2D is not underrated my guy.
If it makes you feel any better, Avatar is getting an animated movie in 2025, with the animation being done by Flying Bark (mostly known for working on Rise of the TMNT and Lego Monkie Kid's animation). So at the very least, whatever we get in 2025 will probably be one of the best looking movies of the year, at minimum
I started watching One Piece shortly before the live action came out, watched both almost in tandem and continued onward with the anime. In currently at episode 223 and there's no way in hell they could successfully adapt anything after episode 45.
There's a talking furry reindeer doctor with 4 different transformations, a river that goes upstream, a man living on a island on a biosphere inside a giant whale, two giants fighting on a tiny island, a criminal organization full of people with wacky superpowers, a man that can eat anything and transform into what he eats, a civil war caused by a man that can turn anything into sand, an archaeologist that can grow limbs wherever she wants, Nami gets a rod with climate powers, Luffy befriends some seal-turtles, they fking went to an island in the sky by riding a giant geyser, sailed through a sea of clouds, fought a guy that was literally made of lighting, rode on a giant falling vine in the sky with a motorcycle, sailed through a sea of clouds then came down to the regular sea by using an octopus as a hot air balloon.
Tell me how the hell any of that would be possible in live action without looking like garbage? I mean sure the first arc was grounded enough with some fantastical elements, but after that it goes full on wacky cartoon logic
Exactly! And the rest of the series just continues to make things even wackier and more unhinged and more impossible to translate to CGI without it looking absolutely trash no matter how hard they try. It would probably dampen a lot of the variety of the character designs too. Where the anime allows characters to be all shapes and sizes, live action would just turn them into either regular people or CGI creatures.
I think theres a bit of a bias in there against episodic storytelling too. Where anything that doesnt drive the larger serialised plot forward is considered filler or a bottle episode. I feel like episodic storytelling has become less common popular overtime in tv which is a shame cus i think that globetrotting feel atla had comes from that element.
Also i agree asoiaf would work really well in animation. So many of the descriptions of places and characters are very imaginative and larger than life because Grrm wanted to be unbound in the story he was telling. Animation can capture that better than live action.
Also, serialised storytelling means that you can extend one plot for three seasons and drip feed it, meaning you will keep audience attention whether they like it or not.
@@christopherbennett5858 I actually think it’s also part of a general stigma against general audiences media in general. Like the idea of shows and movies that aren’t MA or R Rated being legit pieces of art is not respected. Like we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity and we want constantly edgy and r rated. Remember when everyone was begging for an R rated Dune movie when the remake was being made. Despite both the source material and the 1984 movie being PG13 people were begging for it to be R rated. And people ended up being disappointed when Dune got a PG13 rating because it was trying to be faithful to the material which remember was PG13 to begin with. I think the real problem is that we have a contempt of anything PG or general audiences. When we should not be evaluating a films quality based on rating because it restricts creators in a box. If David Lynch the director of Eraserhead and other more adult films is able to make a G rated film about a man driving on a tractor to visit his brother with cancer release under the Disney company and lynch refer to it as one of his great films(it’s not a kids movie by far because it will bore kids most likely) it shows how much we are obsessed with the athletic of maturity rather than actually understanding that you do not need to have your film be R rated to be acceptable as a great movie. Now I am not being a prude but it’s just part of a larger problem
@@noahbossier1131 I think it’s the aesthetic of maturity. Or, more specifically, the illusionary trappings of maturity. Those would be sex, gore and swearing.
We associate maturity to equate to age ratings and that a higher rating would mean better quality.
In reality, most people online discussing animation don’t want to have the animated equivalent of Schindler’s list. They just want Toonami with more blood.
@@christopherbennett5858 yeah I saw a RUclips video discussing this issue and mothers basement also brought it up. It’s a bigger issue than animation being stigmatized
@@noahbossier1131 Essentially, people want to sound mature like they’re still telling their mothers “These aren’t dolls, mom. They’re collectibles” because time is finite and they want the stuff they spend their time on to look to everyone else like it matters.
You know what, I support an animated adaptation of Once Upon a Time! Though I do demand they use the original shitty concept art of the season 1 gingerbread house as a gag
Bro, I said that at the time. Especially since any recurring combat magic boiled down to fireballs and arrow-catches.
That, and any army never had more than 5 dudes. My running joke became "more fierce than a Storybrooke Army."
Want to know what's even worse?
WB made a animated movie like Who Frame Roger Rabbit (so a mix of live action and 2d animation) but used it for tax evasion and want double it's worth to even release the movie for people to see.
I think they ultimately didn't find it and are deleting the film altogether.
i am so sick of studios being able to do that, getting more money from not releasing something is deranged. they should be required to release it first before they can claim it as a loss, it has to actually fail before you can claim it to have failed, even if you set it up so it could not not fail by setting the bar for success at an impossible point for financial bs.
@@willowarkan2263 I don't even think it was going to fail, i think it would have done great, but what I don't get, is why make something only to throw it away?
@@swordkingx4874 I am not saying it was going to fail, I am saying they could expect more money by throwing it away then by releasing it, which shouldn't be possible. Also I believe they can do some financial bs that involves projected revenue, that is beyond all reason, then use that probably for loans or investment, then turn around do some market research magic to claim their impossible projection can't be reached and therefore it's a loss, that they can then get back from their taxes, so at the end of the day they made more money not releasing it then releasing it, because there are legal(enough) financial pathways to do so, probably put in place by some industry lobbyists in the first place, doesn't even need to have been from the same industry. And i am saying that any success by any sane metric could be sold as a loss, if success is measured in absurd ways. It's like making all the money in the world is a loss, because you defined success as getting all the money in the world twice, so nothing short of breaking the laws of mathematics could reach that standard for success.
You refer to Coyote vs Acme, a Looney Tunes movie that had the interesting premise of Wile E Coyote suing the Acme corporation for defective product distribution. Zaslav has also done the same with the Batwoman and Supergirl movies. It's infuriating how those movies will never see the light of day (especially CvA)
Japan respects animation sooo much.
They remake old animation with new animation. Like wtf? That is unheard of here in the westz
It's not about Avatar - The Last Airbender needing a live action remake, it's more about Netflix needing another big hit show after Stranger Things ends.
Well they better keep listening to Oda for One piiece then. Season 1 was great but season 2’s the true test of if this respects the spirit of One piece. Once we hit the grandline Oda’s imagination goes through the roof.
The thing that annoys me about Netflix is they have had plenty of hit shows that could have been their next big thing alongside Stranger Things if they'd allowed them to be. But as we all know they keep cancelling shows regardless of how well they do or how popular they are. They don't give anything a real chance so it's nigh impossible to want to invest time in their content when odds are they'll just axe it for no real reason anyway. Meanwhile they'll keep hiking up their prices too, hence why i cancelled my subscription to them.
But yeah like you said, they don't need Live-Action Avatar, they just want another big hit, yet the're the ones choosing to keep axing their own shows before they've even had a chance to grow an audience big enough to become their next hit.
@@natbatlightwood5288 Agree with you
Oh damn, I'm still in the intro part, but I need animated adaptations of live action films and series so bad. If it was in my hands, I would make everything animated 😂
That's what happened with 80s and 90s films. Ace Ventura, Robocop, The Mask, Men In Black, Godzilla, Ghostbusters, etc.
Imagine what could be done with the first six star wars films as full on dedicated series. I mean look at the 2D and CGI clone wars shows and the stories they could tell
Honestly I agree. Besides animation is a far more complex medium than the Brain rott simple Media of live action (which has ran it's course at this point and needs to die)...
The ultimate irony is that 90% of the "live action" stuff is animated too.
99.99999% for the new Loin King.
I agree completely. My question has always been, why do we consider live action to be an upgrade? Realism is not the end of art.. if it was, what reason would there be to draw or edit when photography and video exists? They are all necessary, and serve different purposes.
There are many, many things which live action cannot do that animation is just naturally suited for. Look at Arcane's masterful use of facial rigs for Jinx which transition her face between 'Powder' and 'Jinx.' for a more modern example.
Also, since it is pretty rare to see the opposite direction, here are two well known massive story worlds which have adapted animated projects to live action projects very well! (And also, expanded on them, not just replicating the originals beat by beat)
-The animated series created for Star Wars; The Clone Wars Series expands beautifully on the Prequels, uses animation as a way to bring its alien characters and environments to life, and grows into using masterful color and choreography. This also goes for Bad Batch and Tales, by the same/similar teams. And don't forget the 2D Clone Wars animated project!
-many dc's animated series served as the first entries for many superheroes and vilalins. Some of DC and Marvel's best stories came from these shows, even after their live action forays took over. DC's Justice League/Justice League Unlimited and Teen Titans for example, have a genuine connection between their heroes, and characterize them in multifacted and heartfelt ways through simple moments and stories which are not too complex for their own good. Most of DC's works in this area are based solely on the comics and predate live action projects, but many were created after or alongside repsective live action projects, and there a tons of stories which only exist in comic pages and animation to this day. Marvel also has several projects like this too.
It’s not supposed to be a upgrade you thinking of it that way is why you don’t like it. It is supposed to be a recreation so you can experience the show again through a different way!
@@talkingweevil3172Why chase that feeling?
@@ForrestFox626 because the show has potential most of this news is fake and I don’t care if it’s needed or not as long as I like it
@talkingweevil3172 okay, but why do that when you can just watch the original again?
@talkingweevil3172 Sure it does, but I doubt they'll capitalize on it
It’s kinda funny that a lot of people who find animation as inferior compared to live action, but when you think about a lot of live action blockbusters and shows requires cgi which is animation to pull off certain things. Marvel, Star Wars, DC, Jurassic World, Fast and Furious, Godzilla, Stranger Things, and more uses cgi to make their settings and characters look realistic as they can.
Pretty much every time I see a live-action series or movie (sitcoms not withstanding) I ask the friend/family member closer to me "Now, think about how cool this would be if it was animated."
It can work both ways.
some of it wouldn't cause the animation would not be able to capture certain stuff. without going overboard. ala stuff that is meant to be kinda hyper realistic
Animation is in a lot of ways a better medium than live action especially for high quality fantasy settings. This is compound by the fact that better visuals require more time or more animators to achieve making a lot of the best looking shows/films have some of the greatest stories while the same can't be said for live action.
Having said all that, I believe even bad adaptations can create more interest in a series, especially in areas where television/streaming rights limited the series to a smaller audience. Here viewers of the live action after watching or hearing about a film / tv show may seek out the source material.
Why Because....... Money 💰
We need to make...…MONEY!
BUT there are still a ton of people going to pay for it if it would be sold or screened in the cinema.
there is an audience for it, dont know why but there is.
I think another problem, has to do with the streaming platform, there are no more reruns of shows so they aren’t really bringing advertised, you have to actively search something out on streaming it’s not randomly playing like the old days
I'm with ya.
When live-action remakes started being a thing, I remember being excited at the thought of how something I loved would look in a different medium. Now, after being burned too many times, I'm desperately mashing the "Fuck, go back!" button.
Despite this, I really had some hope that they had learned their lesson with the Last Airbender movie. But, yeah, the more news that comes out about it, the more I realize that they haven't.
Tbch I just wish we’d get an animated continuation instead of this live action version. Know we’re getting an animated movie here soon…..but still
Does it need a live action remake? No. Especially considering they're removing so many of the original elements. "Toning down" Sokka's sexism, removing "filler" from the show like the King of Omashu or the elephant koi, apparently there's not really gonna be a romance between between Yue and Sokka, no Koi-zilla etc. and you know exactly why they're doing this is likely because each "book" will be 6 or 7 episodes long, so they'll need to hurry things along.
Something I will NEVER be able to understand is, if they WANT more avatar content, why not MAKE more avatar content? Instead of telling the story we already know but literally abridging it by removing crucial elements. Why not animate the comics? Most of us who were going to, have already read the comics, but I would love to see them animated. Why not make NEW stories?
Same thing with the HTTYD franchise, WHY set up Hiccup and Astrids kids and then never do anything with them? Instead of the absolute shit that was The Nine Realms, they could have told a whole new story involving the kids of the original characters.
Ever heard of Avatar Studios!! They are doing that. Lolzz crazy how you don’t know about the that…
What? They're taking out the romance between Yue and Sokka too?!
I'm officially over the remake
@@DragonGoddess18no they aren’t. Netflix never made a statement about this same with koizilla. This person is also wrong cause they have literally released images of king bumi they are not removing those. They also aren’t changing sokkas sexism for woke reasons it is because they want it to be represented in a less cartoonish way. People read news and assume it never lies exaggerates or takes things out of context when that is all the articles do to get more clicks. The first book is also 8 episodes not 6 or 7and I would guess each season will be longer as it continues. This person has done no proper research.
@@talkingweevil3172 say it louder for the people in the back
I'm assuming you didn't actually watch any sort of promo or trailer then
A bit unrelated but, TWO Sailor Moon clips? Someone was feeling brave, we stan
I will say, I feel like remaking a piece of media in a different medium does enable the creator to explore different aspects of a work (perhaps more realistic costume and makeup, or character dynamics that might be otherwise overshadowed by bombastic action, technical aspects to make the bombastic action make more sense in a live action context), and thus there is value to that. However, most of these adaptations aren't made out of some sort of artistic exploration and advancement, but rather as cash grabs.
You do make interesting points though, about how we're always live-actioning animation but never animating live action.... That does definitely demonstrate a social preference for one over the other, further demonstrating that these decisions aren't really being made out of some idea of 'artistic exploration'
I do wonder if maybe that preference is out of a desire to see it in a more 'realistic' sense, because this isn't _exclusive_ to western animation. While Japan does seem to have greater respect for animation as an art form, the most popular animes still get the live action treatment, it usually just doesn't bleed over to the west (because if you are a western anime fan, you probably are that _because_ you prefer animation as a medium). Perhaps the reason people prefer live action is because, especially for a property like avatar, people want to be able to see themselves in it. Animation is separated from them, its 2d and therefore its harder to to envision it as 'real'. But live action is very realistic (even if the cg is pretty bad) and therefore it enables a viewer to imagine that it is real.
I love how you talk about Snow White in the intro
So one nice thing about a relaunch is that it usually gets people going back to watch the source material.
I'm really hoping that I've set my expectations so low that the show will really exceed them.
Yes! Thank you! I’ve been saying this for YEARS! What is this crazy hatred of animation and simping for “live action” that so many people engage in?
I can’t think of a single instance off the top of my head where a “live action” remake of an originally-animated IP was considered better than the original.
I'm still adamant that, if I had unlimited resources, I would pay ANYTHING to see a masterful adaptation of the Leviathan book series by Scott Westerfeld traditionally animated using a similar art style to Keith Thompson's illustrations from the books.
I would have preferred a new animated show personally. I actually think having it set as short season stories would have been really cool. We could have gotten a four episode story from Roku or past avatars, seen the original group as adults, or Korra as an older avatar. The possibility with that is endless and would have been more exciting to me than a remake
I remember hearing about a WETA Workshop proposal for live-action Neon Genesis Evangelion movie(s). Back then, that interested me; today the idea is unappealing. I think remakes should be done if a work was incomplete or failed despite its potential. Will Disney remake The Black Cauldron or do a proper adaptation of The Chronicles of Prydain? They re-acquired the rights in 2016. That may be worth while than remaking everything that was successful before.
remaking good ideas that had poor executions(or not so great ones) is a great concept like john carpenter did with the thing , but sadly we live in a world where remakes is just about cashing in on name recognition
@@Darktuskenagreed
honestly same thought. like i understand at least why theyd do that for a book, a visualization of the story yeah ok
but this is already animated. why does it need a live action remake lol. theyre just milking the show for money fr
i think this might still be interesting bc bending will look cool but just as any other live remake, my expectations are low
All the news around it (sokkas sexism being removed, aang being more serious) is fake. Sokkas sexism is being changed to be less cartoonish and aang will have less side quests for cost efficiency tho. I think people don’t understand the point is to re experience the show in a different way NOT improve on the original.
I have hadoeople tell me that I should be watching "grown-up" shows, when animation has been my everything for years.
I watched Avatar: Last Airbender when was in my early teens and it made an impact on my life, heck the end of season 2 had me in shock, I wanted to cry when Zuko came so close to redeeming himself and then betraying Katara and even his own uncle, who stood by him through everything for his father's love and approval, which the audience knew he was never going to get. The end of season 3 was beautiful and I watched it so many times over, after that first watch.
Anime has gotten me through some of the hardest times of my life.
My point is, it's so sad that animation has been reduced to "Child's Play", just for children which would make Walt Disney, who created animation for all heartbroken if he saw what today's generation was doing to animation and his work.
I can't choose between animated or live-action series or movies because I adore both, I just hope that one day the world will re-evaluate their view on animation to make it what it used to be when the beloved Walt Disney walked the Earth.
SIDE NOTE: Y'all should watch "From Now on: A Tribute to Animation, it's heart-warming and nostalgic and gives animation the respect and love it deserves🥰💙
Its a MURRICA thing animation is considers a medium for childrens consumption inspite of it's strengths. I mean the Witcher show vs nightmare of the Wolf? Hell I think Wheel of time, and Malaazan would probably be better animated especially if you don't have the Live action budget. Which both series require, imagine a Gundam Style remake of the Expanse or of the Honor Harrington universe a la Legend of galactic heroes.
Malazan I think would be fine live action tbh, the magic of the series I think at least to my minds eye would lend itself well to cgi with just big ass purple explosions
Also it’s so damn long it prob needs to be live action so we can actually get enough of it
Now the stormlight archive, that must be anomated
Back in high school, when a school year was ending, we literally had nothing to do in class, but most still went. I started bringing my DVDs from home to lend to the teacher so we could watch in class, and the teachers most of the time accepted. I was often met with "But it doesn't have real people!" comments, because those students didn't even know the term "live action", because to them, live action was just the standard. They would literally get upset while watching, and not angry upset, but sad upset, like "This is what you serve me on my plate?". It's the same most places I go, yet I've never met anyone who despises live action and only watches animation, but the opposite is common.
My English teacher liked Spirited away, at least.
At this point I just want more Animated Avatar shows from the original creators and avatar studios
Ive been asking for an animated Animorphs show for YEARS
Honestly most fans wont see this live action as a better version or upgrade, but just a different way to tell the series. I just hope they add in new scenes that expand on the original material and not anything out of character or feeling when it comes to ATLA. So far it's looking good but we just hope its good all the board.
"We've got to have... Money >:)"
Long-time animation fan here. Thank you for asking the right questions 😊
I remember being a child, stuck in my room with nothing better to do and rewatching my favourite episodes of ATLA, it still brings me so much joy
Evaporated cactus juice. They can kinda smoke that
I had the same concerns about them making a medicre version of a terrific show and possibly leading new viewers to think the hype for the original was unjustified. I was glad to see it won't just be a shot for shot remake, but then I too am not a fan of them removing character growth elements from the narrative, like Sokka's sexism. At least they are adding something new to the mix, which will justify me watching it rather than me simply rewatching the original. I doubt that the live action show will lead to more viewers of the original though.
The only live action Avatar I want is a broadway rendition of the play from season 3
Yes lets make it happen people!!
4:40 Anastasia (1997) is the only animated remake of a live action film (1956) that I can think of, and, much as I love Yul Brynner and Ingrid Bergman, the remake was SO much better!
The only one I can think of that really was a live action first then got adapted to animation was Henry Danger. The animation did not last that long as the live action one did.
Personally, I like live action remakes like I like my general remakes. I like seeing its adaption, however they choose to do it.
I am excited for ATLA because it's one if my favorite shows and even if it is bad, the original is always there
Edit: also totally agree that remakes would be amazing taking live action to animated! The examples you listed especially
I remember someone on Twitter putting it like this:
When the guys behind the One Piece LA spoke, you could see their love for the anime and manga
When the guys behind this show speak, you realize that they see animation as a lesser medium
And many people agree with them.
Have you even watched the scenes they clearly love Avatar the last Airbender and the project they are working on???
@talkingweevil3172 bruh they took out Sokka's misogyny and for some reason they want this to appeal to GOT fans w/c is not at all what ATLA shud be
@@noobmasterruben5167 that’s how I know you don’t know what you’re talking about because they only said they’re toning it down not taking it out. And the first reactions mentioned that his misogyny is still present in some way. And the game of thrones thing is referring to making it more mature. So I’m conclusion you’re just following the hate train and not having your own conscious thoughts.
@@kylejackson7913 bla bla bLA . Its pretty clear to me that the showrunners dont give a crap about character flaws. They're Ok with some on screen violence and probably genocide but Sokka being a mysoginist is part of his character.
They also want Aang to be more focused which I just dont get because Aang is supposed to be stubborn & childish that's his main flaw. Im starting to get why the creators left the show
I personally think the reason people make live action or remake of anything is so they can capitalize on the success of the original without having to put much effort or risk into it. Creating a story that gathers an audience is hard, and it can easily flop (other elements like the medium or casting or anything is important but tolerable if they’re not the best- meanwhile, no one will stick around for a boring story), so they want to tell the same story in as many mediums as they can to squeeze the last bit of money that story can get them
Live action versions of shows can be cool when done well. They are a great way to recapture some of that excitement of watching/reading a story you loved again. it can bring new fans to an older franchise. Then the skill and effort it takes to do things in the real world hold value in of itself. Such as one piece, it was so cool seeing a "real" Going merry. I cant think of many other live action versions of shows that really worked, but that's because Hollywood just uses it as a cheap building fan-base for a quick buck. live action is not the issue its the bloody suits.
Fantastic Video as always. I personally don't care if it's animated or not. Kill Bill and blue Eye Samurai are the perfect examples of a revenge story with female main characters that succeed in their own right.
The only great live-action remake adaptation Disney has made was Cinderella, and that says A LOT. And the thing how many of us don't ask "what if this was remade into animation?" resonated so much with me! Like, there's another Harry Potter 'reboot' on the works and I thought 'what if it was animated instead?' There are so many great artists out there that can bring to life that live actions can't do, and they are all hindered by the fact that the masses think that animation is for kids (which it's not)!
I kind of wish that the video also talked more about the positive side of modern animation like how animation has been pushing the medium, through Blue Eyed Samurai, Spiderverse, Puss in Boots, Arcane, etc. 2025 is even bringing us a new Avatar movie that will be animated, which will directly address people asking for new stories in the Avatar universe. We don't *need* a live action Avatar, but the same could be said for a live action Last of Us or One Piece either, etc. It all comes down to whether the writers behind the work can do something justice.
Also, there have been live action to animation shows/movies, like Scott Pilgrim Takes Off and Metropolis (though that's loosely based).
“That cost less to make”
The Lion King: $45 million budget
The 2019 Photorealistic Animated Film That Insists It’s The Lion King Live-Action Remake: $250-260 million
How do you smoke a juice?
Me: Vape it?
I’m okay with live action remakes, an animated remake would probably be a teen titans go scenario, I have not watched the video yet
I still say Lion King 2019 is the biggest affront to animation there ever was, and I hate how people think it’s the “live action” version. Nothing can be worse…. hopefully.
I agree with your premise, but there was a time when companies did go the live action -> animated series path. In the 80's and 90's there were a lot of cartoons based off movies (Beetlejuice, Ghostbusters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Back to the Future...)
I personally prefer animation. It offers more room for creativity. "Life action" is mostly CGI nowadays anyway.
I'm hoping this adaptation is way better than the 2010 movie cause my God was that horindus. Right now my expectations are super low
It will be they can say the names correct. All the rumours are fake as well. Watch all the new clips and trust me it looks amazing way better than you know what
"Animation is for kids!" Is a primarily US /Western statement. Although I think that idea might be changing? If not with executives, then the general audience is becoming aware. Other countries think of it as a whole spectrum anyone, of any age, can enjoy.
Japan is most known for this, but I watched animation from European countries that us definitely not "kid focused" whatever that means.
Because again, kids aren't dumb. Things like annoying, pointless sidekicks can annoy them too.
I think the legend of korra was a good show if it wasn’t a continuation of the original T^T I also rlly hate how people can’t leave animation where it is and accept that it’s a world of possibilities.
While I'm happy to see a much more faithful (in spirit) adaptation of the Percy Jackson series, I cannot express how disappointed I was to find out that it would be live action. There's literally so much magic and monsters and fantastical things that could just be done way more easily in animation. I don't understand the obsession with live action for things that would be so difficult to achieve with realistic cgi effects.
I love animation. There’s an attitude online as of late where you either have to be vehemently for or against something. I am not watching it because I hate it or anything. I have the original and that is enough. It’s not going to succeed or fail because of me. If it is good great here is the amazing thing that inspired it. If it sucks I saved myself 8 hours.
I'm not opposed to the concept of a live action remake existing... What I am opposed to is the proposed premise behind most live action remakes. Setting aside the corporate side of why these remakes keep happening, often, there is this weird sense of pretension as people say the live action remake is meant to appeal to a "more mature audience" and act as if it is going to be somehow superior just by virtue of it having real people on the screen. I won't knock the concept of some people simply connecting better with living human faces on the screen due to whatever personal reasons... but that's not the kind of person I'm talking about with this. We all know that jerk who likes to sing the praises of "realism" while sneering and snickering at the "childish" and "immature" fools who refuse to "grow up" and leave animation behind. They're quick to talk about changes in the remake as if they are always huge improvements to the source material. (Every time I heard someone talk about how the live action remake Cinderella had "so much more agency and free will" than the old animated version, I kinda wanted to scream.)
Characters might be changed in various ways to keep them in congruence with modern sensibilities, and certain changes to the story are presented as if they are meant to be "improvements" on the source material... Improvements can happen... Sometimes a character that wasn't well written, or properly fleshed out in the original, can have a bit more substance in the remake. Sometimes a story element that wasn't expressed clearly enough in the original can be made more effective. However, if the change is counter to what was the *point* of the source content, then what did it really make better?
Like... I'm sorry (not really), but, when I heard about Sokka's sexism being toned down, I was IMMEDIATELY very apprehensive. I'm still hoping they actually just mean they're taking out a moment or two that might feel superfluous or unnecessary in this shorter series in order to streamline the lessons on healthy masculinity that he STILL LEARNS... I'm not holding my breath, but it's a nice thought... The same goes for how they said they want Aang to start taking things seriously much sooner than he does in the original, removing the "silly" side quests that comprise a bulk of those first episodes before the storm. I'm *hoping* it's just that, because this won't run for as many episodes as the original, they just want to streamline the process a bit more, but they actually *won't* fully remove the important point that the reason WHY Aang is such a goof at the beginning is partly because he's just a *KID* who's trying to have fun and distract himself with fun adventures in order to avoid thinking about the big scary destiny that he *NEVER WANTED* in the first place... Even then, "streamlined" isn't the same as "better"... I see it the same way I see movie adaptations of books. I can understand the changes made due to the change in medium. Provided the source material is respected in the process, I can see the vision for many of the creative changes brought on by new perspectives on the materials. I can even acknowledge a remake or adaptation as brilliant in its own right for various reasons... It very likely won't be "better" than the original... Just a different experience. Like... This could be our DBZ Kai. 🤣 Streamline the story and perhaps improve the voice work and dialogue in places where it may be needed.
"Why do we never wonder what a peace of life action media would look like animated?"
Funnily enough, a lot of people have been saying for a while that "Percy Jackson and the Olympians" would have been perfect for animation. The dicussion has somewhat reignited with the new TV adaptation.
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I think the new term you’re trying to come up with is
“Are you vaping cactus juice?!”
Though personally the biggest issue I have with a lot of the “woke,” changes that allot of people hate is that often times these creators take the story, deconstruct it, then add in these progressive ideas. While at the same time failing to understand why the story told as it was worked so well.
Be it this new live action Avatar, getting rid of Sokka’s sexism, and Katara fighting agents the northern water tribes sexist beliefs.
The Disney live action little mermaid changing the “kiss the girl,” scene because of reasons I don’t think they even get.
Or just having these live action remakes getting rid of love between the lead female character and the princess because somehow love is lame now. And god forbid the men actually want to help and contribute.
Or you know they just hate the original for whatever god same reason and yet there put in charge of the remake.
Also, how the hell is it that animation is so expensive yet CGI animation is so cheap now?
Great video bringing up a lot of points i havent seen amongst broader audiences anticipating the live action adaption, and love the fun juxtaposition of animation being effectively recognized with the advent of Snow White, to today's insistence on live-actionifying anything animated to make it more palatable for pretentious audiences.
I've been very skeptical of the Netflix adaption since effectively its announcement. Though i could possibly entertain exploring an expanded universe in live action, say the life of Avatar Roku or Avatar Kioshi, --gosh that sounds so awesome, ..adapting the original series feels unnecessary, if not artistically bankrupt. What about the story in the original series warrents improve when the original was nearly perfect?
There are i suppose a number of side characters or character dynamics that could see new exploration (jet being one supposed example,) and has potential to be mildly interesting, but when Netflix reveals they've stripped Sokka; one of the most important characters, literally a team member, of his story arc, is that and whatever else they're cooking up really worth everything we stand to loose, or stand to see again but now in live action?
And that's just my contentions with retelling the original story, not even getting into the shortcomings of liveaction vs animation. Animation **inherently** is the more expressive and versitile of the mediums, both for character expression, and choreography of the bending as well.
-I'm sure the live-action actors are doing their best but they do not sound or look in character with the direction they were given. -I get they wanted to go a bit "darker" for this take on avatar, (..probably cuz execs wanted the adaption to appear more "mature" to distinguish itself from the original.) But that also feels like it ..misses the entire appeal of the original? -The warmth the characters exuded inspite how dire the situation could go?
In respect to choreography, the Shyamalan film famously had atrociously sluggish fight scenes due to practical limitations, and the Netflix adaption ..frankly looks just as bad, but with a higher budget in vfx.
The more i dwell on it, the more i can't reason that adapting the original series had any justifiable merit outside of well, ..money.
For an adaption or remake to truly justify it's existence, it needs to do a lot, either to improve upon the original work, or greatly distinguish itself from the original work in a compelling way, ..and i from what little weve been shown I dont see the Netflix adaption as effectively accomplishing either.
The reason is experience the show again in a different way not improve upon the original. I don’t think you have watched all the new clips yet they are perfectly in character.
@@talkingweevil3172That is not what I said; I said the point of an adaption is to EITHER 1) improve upon the original work, or 2) distinguish itself from the original work.
The issue i have with what we've seen of the adaption thus far is that the change in medium or casting of different actors won't be enough; it needs to do a lot to distinguish itself as it's own thing, ..yet it was arguably the medium of animation and warm charactization that gave the original show its heart, at least in my eyes.
I think the Netflix adaption conceptually was just an uphill battle from the start. Maybe they'll pull through, but I and others have every reason to be skeptical following the last adaption we got. If it comes to it I'll eat my words, but I again think a new story set in the same universe would've negated all lot of the uncanny comparisons between it and the original show.
@@LanceBerylDev my point remains the same. Other than those two reasons the reason why it is being made is because fans want to experience it again not to make drastic differences.
Whenever I see these unreadable blue gray cgi schmear lighting disasters, I am like Mrs. Hasagawa in Lilo and Stitch, "WHY IS EVERYTHING SO DARK?" I'd rather have my head enveloped by a watermelon by a little angel from outter space than sit through live action remakes.
As an animator I thank you on behalf of the animation community.
Makes sense
In my opinion, live action remakes are a hit or miss for me. And it's mainly because of how they are represented. Take Fate for example. Winx Club was a vibrant show, and the creators had a lot of ammunition to work with. Instead, they decided to try to make it into a dark, gritty, CW show. I like animation more because of how much room there is to play around with character expressions and the world around them. When I get my show ideas off the ground, I would love to have them drawn in some of my favorite animation style. Something like the ones from Max Steel, Spectacular Spider-Man, or Generator Rex.
No mention of Shamalan-a-dingdong's live-action Avatar: Legend of Aang?
EDIT: Oh there we go.
Animation is an art form to be revered ,not replaced!
As someone who's been screaming about Animation being underappreciated as a medium, it always makes me happy to see I'm not the only one that feels this way :')
Honestly Im just more excited for the Live Action. Not because I hate animation, I love it, its the best form of media imo. It just follows the same thing as One Piece did, where even though Avatar has way less episodes, I don't wanna watch it all, as I dont exactly have hours of time at once. Instead I watch the Live Action thats just a few episodes and if I really like the show Ill watch the anime. (The live actions are pretty much trailers for me) otherwise I just like both forms. Cause even if the live action is bad as fuck, I still enjoy it. (I mainly watch them to see if I enjoy the story)
Technically the wizzard of oz had animated adaptations, technically. You could say that it was the first live action to animation.
Besides that, here are my suggestions of Live Action mediums that I'd think would have great **2D** (not 3D[youcorperatefuc-]) animated adaptations;
1. Jumanji 1995
2. Zathura: a space adventure
3. The adventures of Sharkboy & Lavagirl (I loved it as a kid. If it were animated, It'd be good)
4. Home Alone (potentially, but maybe not applicable)
5. Forrest Gump (but each episode tells an 11 minute story in a comedic way)
Jumanji, hell yes
home alone, i can see it, it would be funny, but i think that story has been told to death by now
Dude Japanese has a lot most recent one One Piece w/ original creator at hand.
Thought, The Wizard of Oz was originally a book, so they probably, even if they actually adapted the movie, claimed to adapt the book series (which has been in the public domain since 1956, at least the first book).
I know that Jumanji had an animated TV series! :D
Funnily enough, I've often found myself watching a live action movie and wondering what it would look like or how it would play out if it were animated.
A lot of my favourite movies and shows are animated. I guess I'm just drawn to animation. If animation were a person I'd give them a hug
As a long-time A:TLA fan, the more and more I hear about the Netflix series, The less and less I want to watch it.
What happened to us as a society where we’re all so negatively opinionated and nasty like Lmfaoo… ya I love avatar it’s my favourite show of all time Ofc I want a high budget well done live action. Have a Coca Cola with some ice and go touch grass, life is beautiful.
Fate stay night is my animated game of thrones.
10:38 lol, I'm checking to see if you have a video on this and we'll eagerly await if you don't yet
I remember when the first season of the Show aired out and I was 2 years into Wushu and me and my colleagues were so excited because the Earthbenders moves were exactly the ones we were practicing. We went very excited to show clips of the series for our master and he was like: "I've already seen it, it's awesome".
actually not the point of the video but you pointed it out and I went "huh true"
Why IS lighting always so shit in modern live action stuff? like you can hardly see a thing until the screencaps hit tumblr and the girlies go in and color correct everything
Wow the things you said about animation hit hard, im a hardcore animation fan (watch almost exclusively anime/cartoons) and yes i do consider it childish and quirky. And animation is always so pretty and colorful, while when watching live actions thinks are so often just gray (Ariel, Peter Pan - thank you Disnay, you destroyed the whole aesthetic and compleatly mised the point)
Even tho i know some animations have the standard of appealing to adults (Arcane and Castelvenia proved if but anime like AOT, Vinladn Saga or shows like Sheera and princesses of power are also at such a high standard). I love netflix Carmen Sandiego (even tho the storie suffered from beaing rushed, and im a fan of Dragon Prince. Winx seasons 1-4 will always be my fav, and W.I.T.C.H is a masterpiece.
But yeah for evry masterpiece animation there will always be a miraculous ladybug or my little pony make your mark to cover up what animation could be. (I did watch both of them, but only once xD)
As for avatar live remake im hyped. Not because i want a live adaptation specifically, but because i wached the show like 10 (or more) times alrady, and getting that chance to watch it again from a slightly different angle is absolutely great. I would probably be as hyped if they said, we doing an animation remake to fledge out the beautiful story even more. Im just happy to get ATLA again, since this show has been my hyperfixation for years.
This is a fantastic video essay
It was actually Disney's artstyle that influenced anime. Before him, they were in all kinds of styles, but they've most all adopted the post Disney style.
Yes, modern Disney is now copying anime, but it actually started at the House of Mouse
Something funny. Ever since I was a child I prefered animation over live-action, like people would say that cartoon is for children and I would just say to them that live action looks ugly. I wasn't just talking about cgi trying to look realistic I was saying that real life people looked uglier than cartoon and that therefore it was inferior.
Of course now I'm an adult I'm past that mentality, yet if you gave me the choice of watching a movie in live-action or animation, exactly the same thing, copy pasted, just one animated and the other live-action. I'd choose the animated one in a heartbeat, no questions asked.