Hi Ameen, Which company you used for implementation. Can I set up a Zoom meeting with you? We have hired an implementation company and it has been over 10 months and still not ready... so many issues. So we have been using NetSuite and mirroring with Odoo. Thanks! Shan USA
Thank you for the video - I only partially agree with Raphael's comments below. The good thing about ThirdStage Consulting is that You talk about Odoo vs the market that does not. You are a consulting company that speaks freely and honestly.
The speaker just kept repeating price and it being modular a number of times. Odoo is offering the modules like apps in a mobile and comes with its own challenges. I have seen several poor implementations where customers jumped in because they thought they were getting an ERP with features at the price. They ended up changing the system integrators and was later stuck with a less than ideal solution, time spent and cost. Customers don't often understand the challenges of having an "open source" system which requires high level of expertise. The other thing was their forced upgrades in which the customer would lose a major module like accounting on the next version for which they had to subscribe.
You talk about Odoo just like if the product was limited to the company behind the 500 core modules. But Odoo is surrounded by 3000 open source modules from the Odoo Community Association (OCA) which have just as much quality (and also many more modules). Being open source, the main editor is actually just a small part (although the main one) of the "Odoo market". In many countries the only businesses running Odoo have no business relationship at all with Odoo SA, many of the largest cases rely on theses other open source modules and not Odoo SA. Hence talking about Odoo like if it was not open source and if it was limited only to the core Odoo SA company is an extremely limiting vision where you will encounter the same kind of business catches (like the 18 euros per month per 100 lines of custom code most companies have no idea about, like the partner mafia thing) from the traditional ERP industry while really the ecosystem is actually much wider. In a word Odoo is way more disruptive than what you are presenting. It's like Linux is to the server market. Linux is not just Red hat, it's much larger than that.
I have been using Odoo for the last year and so far, I have not been able to find out where is the Queue for procurement ( if any ), after using SAP and dealing with BOM's from two levels to up to 10 levels and between few items to 5000 items, I think Odoo has potential for small companies not for a large-scale projects yet.
thanks for the insightful video 😊 been learning and training on this erp since couple of months, and many questions are striking my mind since then lol.
Cool! Check out our 2023 Digital Transformation Report. It's a great overview / intro to the business: www.thirdstage-consulting.com/reports/2023-digital-transformation-report/
Odoo is a cheap and flexible ERP. Unformatunely does not have many important features in it. The manufacturing module is not suitable for process-type Industries.
To give you an idea: with all Odoo SA Enterprise modules installed, you might have 1000 to 1200 tables (installing all is stupid, but it gives an idea). While SAP S4 has ~100 000 tables and Microsoft AX something like ~10 000 tables. So one need no phD to understand out of the box Odoo is nowhere as complete as these kinds of ERPs. So saying Odoo SA standard offer is cheap doesn't mean much, this standard offer only run very small business. Now yes, completed with OCA modules, Odoo totally blows out products like SAP Business One, and it can even compete with Microsoft AX or even SAP S4 on some projects IF and only IF your project is led by very experienced OCA contributors knowing their way in that galaxy of 3000 extra modules and counting. But fundamentally Odoo is cheap and disruptive BECAUSE IT IS OPEN SOURCE, not because the main company Odoo SA took VC money to change the core license modules and kind of hijack the ecosystem reputation and tries to sell it as a proprietary ERP and makes marketing using this license money. Also, if you consider such large implementations like Third Stage Consulting targets, you will usually have may be 50 Odoo SA modules installed along with 300 OCA modules not authored by Odoo SA (and representing way more code). This is why I say talking about Odoo SA standard pricing is not something very relevant and presenting Odoo like this is doing a disservice to the target audience where they will end up burning money in marketing and sale commissions instead of hunting the right persons/companies that really deliver working ERP projects using the Odoo ecosystem.
Where do I get good odoo + app list setup that you refer to for a manufacturing company? Thanks, i would think 3rd party consultants and developers would have some really good dialed in versions put together with various 3rd party apps. Instead of everyone reinventing the custom wheel every time on their own.
@@mnminnmn there are a lot a basic principles that Odoo doesn't understand, ie purchasing and sales are two sides of the same coin, one companies invoice is another persons bill, there sales and purchasing modules don't match. Basically it is a half-ass written "ERP-like" object with a pretty interface that you need to hire about 3-6 python developers to customize and then have it quit working every 2-4 months when they release updates, with absolutely not documentation, so? Add in more development and customization cost than any of the other ones (Dynamics BS, Epicor, NetSuite, Rootstock, SAP Business One) and it is more expensive, but if you want something equivelant but more expensive than QuickBooks Online or Xero, ok... Seems like a waste of money, more expensive than Xero, no functionality compared to D365 or Netsuite
odoo should target quickbooks customers and QB pro advisors. a huge oppty there as many customers are wayy past quickbooks capability but the next move is a huge jump in complexity and especially price for small/med businesses.
I am learning fullstack Web developer,,, but currently I got a job in odoo,,, so my think is we all are working for the money,,, so is there a future in odoo????? As a odoo developer is there is money 💵 💵 💵 means,, salary
I completely disagree, I really liked your channel until I saw this. Odoo is the worse ERP I have ever seen in 25 years. Try to do anything. And by the way, pretty interface, so that is the only good thing I can say about it. Tell me how it can be all things to all people if you can take a customer deposit, but can't do a vendor deposit. Or can do a blanket PO, but not a blanket SO. I basically cannot recommend it to any customer or vendor, since one companies SO is another person's PO. You cannot do anything without an in house DB and Python programmer to completely rewrite the entire application. Also, just look at horrible the calendar, discuss project, any app, definitely horrific. Used to respect this channel.
!!!! which version of Odoo did you try?! I'm still learning on that Erp, and easily can add vendor/customer payments that can be linked to future bills/invoices... aren't those what you meant by deposits? excuse me, i might be dumb
@@sadek1185 No pre-payments or really anything most ERP's that are real do. Purchase should have line item discounts, as one person's vendor is another person's customer. You should be able to handle customer pre-payments and vendor deposits, you should be able to handle blanket PO's and blanket sales orders, I mean really, the list is just too long. Oh and check the inventory valuation in different modules, that's funny that none of the numbers match.
There's a simple litmus test you can use to judge the motive of this video and the merrit of its statement "All things to all people". In life, have you ever seen a jack of all trades also be the master of all trades ? Me either. How about if I was to say there's such a thing as a free lunch, forget ERP ... just in general ? I haven't seen it either... there's always a catch right ? At 10 I belived almost anything I was told. At 56, when a shirtless man comes to me offering the shirt off his back, I know better. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
based on my 3 years experience in using ODOO in my company i can easily say: ODOO is excellent for my business
Thanks for the feedback!
Hi Ameen, Which company you used for implementation. Can I set up a Zoom meeting with you? We have hired an implementation company and it has been over 10 months and still not ready... so many issues. So we have been using NetSuite and mirroring with Odoo. Thanks! Shan USA
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I contacted ODOO Headoffice in Belguim after their dubai agent failure
Thank you for the video - I only partially agree with Raphael's comments below. The good thing about ThirdStage Consulting is that You talk about Odoo vs the market that does not. You are a consulting company that speaks freely and honestly.
The speaker just kept repeating price and it being modular a number of times. Odoo is offering the modules like apps in a mobile and comes with its own challenges. I have seen several poor implementations where customers jumped in because they thought they were getting an ERP with features at the price. They ended up changing the system integrators and was later stuck with a less than ideal solution, time spent and cost.
Customers don't often understand the challenges of having an "open source" system which requires high level of expertise. The other thing was their forced upgrades in which the customer would lose a major module like accounting on the next version for which they had to subscribe.
Not to mention that Odoo pricing is insanely good.
Crazy how much cheaper it is than the competition.
You talk about Odoo just like if the product was limited to the company behind the 500 core modules. But Odoo is surrounded by 3000 open source modules from the Odoo Community Association (OCA) which have just as much quality (and also many more modules). Being open source, the main editor is actually just a small part (although the main one) of the "Odoo market". In many countries the only businesses running Odoo have no business relationship at all with Odoo SA, many of the largest cases rely on theses other open source modules and not Odoo SA. Hence talking about Odoo like if it was not open source and if it was limited only to the core Odoo SA company is an extremely limiting vision where you will encounter the same kind of business catches (like the 18 euros per month per 100 lines of custom code most companies have no idea about, like the partner mafia thing) from the traditional ERP industry while really the ecosystem is actually much wider.
In a word Odoo is way more disruptive than what you are presenting. It's like Linux is to the server market. Linux is not just Red hat, it's much larger than that.
Interesting prospective Raphael
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Great and thank you for this wonderful presentation I have a question:
Can I resell the Odoo system to my clients under my brand as a SAAS?
Does Odoo support manufacturing modules?
I have been using Odoo for the last year and so far, I have not been able to find out where is the Queue for procurement ( if any ), after using SAP and dealing with BOM's from two levels to up to 10 levels and between few items to 5000 items, I think Odoo has potential for small companies not for a large-scale projects yet.
Thanks for that insight!
What you have said in this video is truthful and indeed Odoo is a disrupter in the business software.
Thank you for watching
thanks for the insightful video 😊
been learning and training on this erp since couple of months, and many questions are striking my mind since then lol.
Glad it was helpful!
Im new with the software...looking for it to help my procurement business for 2023
Cool! Check out our 2023 Digital Transformation Report. It's a great overview / intro to the business: www.thirdstage-consulting.com/reports/2023-digital-transformation-report/
Odoo is a cheap and flexible ERP. Unformatunely does not have many important features in it. The manufacturing module is not suitable for process-type Industries.
great
To give you an idea: with all Odoo SA Enterprise modules installed, you might have 1000 to 1200 tables (installing all is stupid, but it gives an idea). While SAP S4 has ~100 000 tables and Microsoft AX something like ~10 000 tables. So one need no phD to understand out of the box Odoo is nowhere as complete as these kinds of ERPs. So saying Odoo SA standard offer is cheap doesn't mean much, this standard offer only run very small business. Now yes, completed with OCA modules, Odoo totally blows out products like SAP Business One, and it can even compete with Microsoft AX or even SAP S4 on some projects IF and only IF your project is led by very experienced OCA contributors knowing their way in that galaxy of 3000 extra modules and counting. But fundamentally Odoo is cheap and disruptive BECAUSE IT IS OPEN SOURCE, not because the main company Odoo SA took VC money to change the core license modules and kind of hijack the ecosystem reputation and tries to sell it as a proprietary ERP and makes marketing using this license money. Also, if you consider such large implementations like Third Stage Consulting targets, you will usually have may be 50 Odoo SA modules installed along with 300 OCA modules not authored by Odoo SA (and representing way more code). This is why I say talking about Odoo SA standard pricing is not something very relevant and presenting Odoo like this is doing a disservice to the target audience where they will end up burning money in marketing and sale commissions instead of hunting the right persons/companies that really deliver working ERP projects using the Odoo ecosystem.
Where do I get good odoo + app list setup that you refer to for a manufacturing company? Thanks, i would think 3rd party consultants and developers would have some really good dialed in versions put together with various 3rd party apps. Instead of everyone reinventing the custom wheel every time on their own.
@@mnminnmn there are a lot a basic principles that Odoo doesn't understand, ie purchasing and sales are two sides of the same coin, one companies invoice is another persons bill, there sales and purchasing modules don't match. Basically it is a half-ass written "ERP-like" object with a pretty interface that you need to hire about 3-6 python developers to customize and then have it quit working every 2-4 months when they release updates, with absolutely not documentation, so? Add in more development and customization cost than any of the other ones (Dynamics BS, Epicor, NetSuite, Rootstock, SAP Business One) and it is more expensive, but if you want something equivelant but more expensive than QuickBooks Online or Xero, ok...
Seems like a waste of money, more expensive than Xero, no functionality compared to D365 or Netsuite
odoo should target quickbooks customers and QB pro advisors. a huge oppty there as many customers are wayy past quickbooks capability but the next move is a huge jump in complexity and especially price for small/med businesses.
Absolutely - That is great advice.
Totally agree!
I want to ask one thing, is odoo has a future??
Yes, Odoo is here to stay, and the demand for Odoo technical & functional is exponantially growing.
no.
I am learning fullstack Web developer,,, but currently I got a job in odoo,,, so my think is we all are working for the money,,, so is there a future in odoo????? As a odoo developer is there is money 💵 💵 💵 means,, salary
what your thought? 10 months laters after your comment?
kek
So what is your opinion about the future of odoo developer after 2 years I also got an offer as an odoo developer please share your opinion
I completely disagree, I really liked your channel until I saw this. Odoo is the worse ERP I have ever seen in 25 years. Try to do anything. And by the way, pretty interface, so that is the only good thing I can say about it. Tell me how it can be all things to all people if you can take a customer deposit, but can't do a vendor deposit. Or can do a blanket PO, but not a blanket SO. I basically cannot recommend it to any customer or vendor, since one companies SO is another person's PO. You cannot do anything without an in house DB and Python programmer to completely rewrite the entire application. Also, just look at horrible the calendar, discuss project, any app, definitely horrific. Used to respect this channel.
Thank you for the passionate feedback. Great to have a variety of dialogue.
Are you an ERP software implementation company? Thanks! Shan USA
!!!! which version of Odoo did you try?!
I'm still learning on that Erp, and easily can add vendor/customer payments that can be linked to future bills/invoices... aren't those what you meant by deposits?
excuse me, i might be dumb
@@sadek1185 No pre-payments or really anything most ERP's that are real do. Purchase should have line item discounts, as one person's vendor is another person's customer. You should be able to handle customer pre-payments and vendor deposits, you should be able to handle blanket PO's and blanket sales orders, I mean really, the list is just too long. Oh and check the inventory valuation in different modules, that's funny that none of the numbers match.
There's a simple litmus test you can use to judge the motive of this video and the merrit of its statement "All things to all people". In life, have you ever seen a jack of all trades also be the master of all trades ? Me either. How about if I was to say there's such a thing as a free lunch, forget ERP ... just in general ? I haven't seen it either... there's always a catch right ? At 10 I belived almost anything I was told. At 56, when a shirtless man comes to me offering the shirt off his back, I know better. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
I can't handle the vocal fry ... It's pathological.