Edit: I’m getting a little bit tired of having to explain why I censored the word miscarriage in this video. I do not believe miscarriage is something we need to censor, as it is a common occurrence and is a tragedy that should be openly spoken about (if an individual feels comfortable discussing their experience of course). RUclips does, however, have very unfair censorship regulations, and miscarriage is often a demonetised word. Demonitisation means a video doesn't get recommended as much, which in turn would cause people to miss out on this valuable educational content. I think it is vital that those who feel comfortable speak out about their experiences with miscarriage and related subjects, as no one should have to feel alone in such a situation. I had to make the difficult decision to censor the word not because it reflects my belief, but because I didn’t want the video to get suppressed and thus have many miss out on this important educational content. Please don’t leave rude replies about this in the comments section, and please consider my deeper reason for “why”, which is clearly not to suppress this tragic experience, rather to make sure as many people as possible can see this video, and thus benefit from its educational value. Welcome to this channel's latest "500 Years of..." series! This week's video is a bit of a long one, but I think it's a well-worth-it watch as Kass McGann of Reconstructing History walks us through 500 years of maternity clothing! TW: We will be talking about the sensitive subjects of infant mortality and miscarriage, so if these are triggering topics for you in any way, please SKIP the content between time stamps 25:40-26:33. Thank you very much for watching.
It was something we considered, but sadly they’ve been around less than 500 years! Even the Pair of Bodies, the precursor to the stays, isn’t 500 years old yet
I really appreciate how sensitively you handled this subject. I have had several losses recently, and miscarriage is very difficult for me to hear about right now. By letting me know what would be covered, and even bleeping out the word, it made me feel like I could watch the video and feel okay.
As an older farmer in the Deep South, who wears a corset for back support, I would love to see historic clothing for women in the tropics, especially working women.
That's not a whole lot of clothing, considering what you're probably thinking of is white people we didn't start traveling near the equator into a couple hundred years ago. What working women wore in the tropics wasn't a whole lot, probably sandals and maybe a loin cloth. The female chest just wasn't sexualized and still isn't by a vast majority of cultures
@@awkwardpotato7900 I think I would benefit from knowledge these fashion historians have about Edwardian or Victorian era clothing worn by working women in the tropics.
@@awkwardpotato7900 my family came to the Deep Southeast in 1621, so I know nurses and teachers were working in these peri-tropics in the early 1600s. Spanish women were in the Caribbean, Central and South Americas a hundred years earlier.
In South East Asia didn’t wear corsets traditionally - barring closet to the 17 & 18th century ( if I’m not mistaken ) where the concept of corsets were brought in from the west. Traditional outfits here were made of loose printed cotton ( batik) , and the upper class adorned it with jewelry ( eg -gold belts vs cotton belts)
My husband and I really enjoy going to the Renaissance Faire every year. It was even our first date. The year we went when I was pregnant with my oldest it never occurred to me that I would need a maternity dress for faire. I simply undid the side laces on my dress and only laced them to the top of my belly. It worked so well that I did it again couple years later when I was pregnant with our daughter. Over the years and various fairs, I recall seeing various women wearing their costumes over their pregnant belly. There was only one woman that ever complained about her bodice being uncomfortable. But then she was just uncomfortable in general due to the heat and the fact that her bodice was made out of entirely synthetic materiels. For some women pregnancy and the heat don't mix combined with a bodice that doesn't breath its no wonder it was uncomfortable. This was a fascinating topic to cover. I'm really enjoying the 500 years of fashion series.
How interesting! It's great to hear your personal experience with this as well. I can definitely see how the combination of pregnancy, heat, and fabric that doesn't breathe the best could become very uncomfortable for that individual! Thanks so much for watching 😊
Have you heard of the SCA? It’s not my thing but my father participates and has for over a decade if not longer. It’s not “renaissance” but is more focused on historically accurate imitation of the medieval times, that’s a very poor description but if you like renaissance fairs you might like the sca
Appreciated this video a lot. I have four children and spent all of my mid-20s to early 30s, pregnant or breastfeeding. My body was constantly changing shape, and I had a LOT of frustration with modern fashion and how many garments I had to own for my constantly expanding or shrinking breasts, belly, and thighs. While I appreciate the huge number of issues that come with assuming pregnancy and breastfeeding and post-partum bodies are obligatory for women, I appreciate a concept of fashion that makes room for these seasons and fluctuations in some of our lives.
Thank you!! I’m really glad you enjoyed it. It’s definitely (I’d imagine) so frustrating having to deal with modern day maternity clothing. Bodies are made to change and evolve, that’s natural, and it’s a bit strange that clothing doesn’t often make room for this for adults. Perhaps because generally clothes these days are cheaper, people aren’t as much in the repair and alter mindset so to speak. As much as things were horrible all throughout history for many individuals, little aspects like clothing being made to evolve with an evolving body shows some of the innovative and useful (even today) things that existed in history.
So true! Thankfully I sewed my own clothes for each pregnancy I made one outfit, with exception of #4 where I made two outfits! So by then I had 5 outfits. For my first my sister gave me a mumu which was very comfortable but couldn’t wear it to work because I had a uniform.
The front/back lacing discussion at 39:00 is one of those things that seem so obvious once someone else says it. Who did up the back lacing for a working woman? Well, her husband, probably, and if she wasn't married yet, a sibling or parent or co-worker. Almost no one lived alone in those days, especially women.
Exactly! It was a myth I believed for a long time as well, and when Kass made this point, it's like it all clicked. Women almost always lived with someone, as you say.
@Chrysanthemum I feel like a lot of women’s dresses and skirts still require two people to put on. I can sometimes put my skirt on backwards, so I can reach the zipper, and then turn it around once zipped. I obviously can’t do that with dresses though. (FYI: I most only wear skirts and dresses. I very rarely wear pants.) At least twice a week, I need to have my mom or fiancé help me zip up my clothing. One time, my mom was on vacation, and I had to sleep in my clothes, because I couldn’t reach the zipper on my own. 😂
personal experience says anyone flexible enough to scratch their entire back can probably tie a back lacing corset for themselves. it's a lot easier to adjust/tighten laces and then tie them off than it is to zip up a modern dress with a back opening.
I've seen plenty of historical costume videos where they show how it is very easy for a woman to lace her own stays and corsets by herself, even those in the back. Basically, they would lace it loosely, slip it on, then pull the laces tight in the middle and tie the laces. Much like how you lace and tie shoes.
From a slightly divergent perspective, I prefer to leave the house much less when I’m pregnant because I get tired, my feet can swell, I have to pee frequently, etc. So to some degree, this may have been less about oppression than convenience. Obviously working class women didn’t have as much of a choice. Such a fun video! I’m glad it popped up in my suggested videos!
That’s very understandable! There are so many new factours to be worried about whilst pregnant, or that can just make someone feel flat out uncomfortable. I’d imagine nesting at home can sometimes just feel like a welcome relief. So glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for watching it and for your comment 🥰
i agree i was reading the english countrywoman and the magority of women worked 247 doing stuff to add minute earnings to the family, although i have no doubt, the richer folk were far more restrictive with outings from what i read in that book the commoners throughout most periods were working all the time either in the home or outside all day from 5am to late 7-8pm or more, i think it would of been a dream for a lot of women in those times to be told to stay in bed and have 5 months to themselves, although i imagine all would of hated being confined to the actual bed for five months, i cant imagine many stuck to it. still very interesting and great video.
@@redwolfden7930as someone who had to bedrest for 6+ months of each pregnancy.... It's miserable. And also impossible if you've got a kid already, then it was a lot of 'do what you have to for the lottles then get horizontal wherever you can'. I'm guessing it was pretty simple for a wealthy woman to do and utterly impossible for working women, and you basically would've had no choice but to 'let the inevitable happen" and try again.
Thank you a very thoughtful discussion. I feel like so many people infantilize people in the past, especially women, when on the contrary they were wonderfully practical and inventive in their approach to everyday problems. While today's fashions offer more freedom in some way, we have lost a lot of knowledge in how to make adaptable and longer lasting clothing and there is a cost to that.
Thank you for your comment! It’s definitely quite disheartening we’ve lost a lot of the practices of repairing and altering quality made clothing. At the same time though we are starting to see a very slow fashion resurgence, like what I try to promote on this channel and do in my own life, and that’s quite amazing to see as more people start making their own clothes 😊
I was born in 1962, and I remember how 'shocked' I was to see women starting to accentuate their pregnant bellies (instead of having their clothing drape loosely across them) ... I believe it was in the late 80s or early 90s
I would love to see a video where historical clothing wearer brings in a friend who is pregnant and shows "this is how this outfit fits non-maternity, and then this is how this same outfit fits maternity" if that makes sense. Just to see how those same pieces can shift and change and to see how it would move and look in real life in both contrasting circumstances. Heck I'm pregnant now, I'll volunteer if someone has a historical wardrobe to share for a video😅
I wasn't planning on watching this whole thing, but it was so well done! And fascinating. I can sleep tomorrow... If my 2 year old will let me... But thank you for taking such care to find examples in art, and zooming in on the details being discussed. I think this is the first RUclips video I've seen that does such an amazing job at this. Thank you for taking the time to do that.
Despite having a generally healthy pregnancy, I had a very restrictive one. I lived at a pregnant women and children’s shelter where they had rules for the women who stayed there. I could not stay in bed, even if I was tired and wanted to, and I had to be working or schooling. It was also hard for me to get maternity clothes because I was a small girl and many of the clothes were large sized. Clothes felt extremely tight, to the point where sometimes I felt choked and had to unbutton and lower my pants. When I got large later on, the maternity pants I had were too loose and kept sliding off my hips and stomach. I would have loved some adjusters on my waistline/hip line or to be able to wear heavy skirts or dresses in cold weather. And most of all, I would’ve given anything to be allowed to lounge whenever I felt tired. Women have never had more rights in history than today, but our clothes and expectations of women are still restrictive, just in different ways. I wish we could look at women’s clothing in history with a bit more positive light and make clothes more diverse and accessible for larger women, pregnant women, and nursing women.
I realize that you chose to only cover 500 years, but I remember stories from my mom and her sister (and sisters-in-law) about how, until the 1970s, it was rare to see a woman in late stages of pregnancy as it was still considered improper to advertise fecundity (as if it were something dirty). In fact, my mom and her sister were scolded as children in the late 50's/early 60's for mentioning that one of their aunts was pregnant! (My mom reportedly exclaimed, "Aunt Betty's pregnant again?!!!!")
I remember reading a childrens book assigned to me by a teacher around 2000 where a child saying "pregnant" was still treated by the adults in the scene as disruptive and as transgressive as a swear word
Indeed, on the show "I Love Lucy", not only was Lucille Ball the first pregnant woman to be shown on a TV program, but they couldn't say the word "pregnant". They had to say "expecting".
@@RowanWarren78 I think it might be a personal thing- in my family and I know many other pregnancy has been celebrated and folks are very eager. I’ve got pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant both at home and in public
Interesting, my Mom doesn’t remember that. Now clearly morals were different or held at a higher standard then but women weren’t hidden away in late stages of pregnancy. She remembers her Mom and Aunts being too busy raising kids, cooking, grocery shopping, even sewing clothes, etc. to have hidden themselves in their homes. She also remembers discussions about a particular sister in law being pregnant “again” in family discussions or gossip. It was more common that they stayed home and didn’t work which was perfectly normal. They didn’t show off their pregnant bellies or pop their boobs out to breastfeed publicly like today but they weren’t forbid to come out of the house because they were 8 months pregnant
I'm a plus size woman and I've known for a long time that maternity clothes can be used for everyday wear with only slight modification, or sometimes even none.
I think the adaptability of the clothing is useful even today. I got huge so I did have to retire some pants but most of my dresses fit and I didn’t need to buy much at all when pregnant. It was so convenient.
The hardest part of pregnancy as a reenactor was never the clothes for sure, it was the heat outside! I've met so many other preggo reenactors wearing clothing from all over the world and covering most time periods; nearly all of it is bump-adaptable unless for exceedingly rich women or women who did a victorian-style confinement.
I am doing some family history research and read that my female German forebears probably wore skirts made with deep openings from waist downwards. So the back tied around the waist at the front while the front of the skirt tied at the back. Very adjustable and the slits at each side allowed access to a sort of purse worn underneath. Sounded very practical
Totally enjoyable video, answering a few questions of my own. As someone who spins, I often have wondered about the turnaround time to produce a garment of linen or wool. 4 years for linen, and probably 2-3 for wool. And this labor to produce fabric means fabric is costly. Also, in reference to ministers, etc., of the Puritan days complaining of women's riding clothing, it is actually a Biblical injunction about cross-dressing: Deuteronomy 22:5, we read, "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God." Depending on your beliefs, there you go for many reasons clothing was relegated to sexes in the west. In Asia, and other parts of the world, women did wear pants. So, part of western dress and dressing mandates are also founded on religious mandates.
I'm glad it was so enjoyable! I always find Kass really fun to speak with 😊Fabric really must have been so expensive, probably a cost that we cannot even fathom nowadays. Even in the Victorian era clothes were expensive compared to now, and that's with full-fledged industrial revolution productions. Ah yes! It makes perfect sense then that with Western history especially being so influenced by Christianity, that clothing would be delegated as per Deuteronomy 22:5 as you reference. I was raised in an Eastern school of thought, so I appreciate the insight into this as it's not an area I'm familiar with! 😊
@@VBirchwood The usual thing we say on the subject is "Back then labour was cheap and fabric expensive. Now labour is (more) expensive and fabric is (relatively) cheap. Italian merchant families in the late 15th century were known to spend their entire fortunes on specially-woven silk brocade for their eldest daughter's wedding just so they could show off. After the wedding, the fabric was secretly auctioned off to pay the debts incurred for the celebration!
This was a fascinating topic, thank you so much for covering it. The vast majority of us watching understood and appreciated why you had to censor as a youtube creator who wants this to reach as many people as possible.
This is SO interesting! This is how I ended up wearing a herjolfsnes as my normal clothes. I originally made them when I was pregnant. Six children later, I considered taking them in so that the dress was fitted in through the bodice and gored from the waist down, and I thought (whew) what a lot of work -- so I didn't change them. Now, I swoosh around in these big multi-gored dresses, people tell me they're pretty, and I could easily wear any of them while carrying twins.
This is so awesome to hear! What a great reason to keep wearing herjolfsnes as normal garments too. It’s amazing how many historical items are so versatile, even to this day.
This was a really fascinating video! I'd never actually thought about maternity wear, having not had any children, but would have simply assumed that with all that fabric there was plenty of room to hide the bulge! I honestly hadn't thought of the Victorian era issues. Really enjoyed the bit about the woman hours required to sew one man's tunic, and also the bits about the Victorians height being stunted by the industrial revolution. I actually watched this one twice because there were so many fascinating details that I'd not heard before. Thanks! I quite look forward to seeing your future collaborations. Will check out Cass's channel too!
If you look at the publications of French fashion plates of “Galerie de la Mode” during the late 1700’s there were references to Maternity Outifits…they would be called deshabillé ( in a state of undress) and of course still wearing plenty of clothing just not wearing noticeable tightened stays.
I had never seen that robe from the Golden Age of Trade before- it’s very cool! I love the idea of using nice fabric to make a comfortable garment so you can adjust it for body changes. I had no idea that’s where the robe a l’anglaise/Francois came from!
I do 12th C reenactment. When I was pregnant I did make a pregnancy tunic dress because I get big! But I was able to wear my regular garb for most of it. I did build a nursing chemise (used a nursing nightgown pattern) to wear under front laced gowns. I also made a tunic with slits and put Byzantine trim to cover the slits which closed with hook and eye.
Thank you! I loved this video! Your guest is very knowledgeable and entertaining, and I learned a lot. (I have some Reconstructing History patterns and the one I've made turned out really well.) I've always suspected that women's clothing had lacing because of pregnancy (and monthly bloating and such) so I'm glad to have it confirmed. I'm beginning to think a lot of our modern social problems were inherited from the Victorians - not that the problems didn't exist before that, but the particular form they take now was heavily influenced by Victorian thinking. That was a weird time in history. It seems like the development of technology makes people believe they can transcend humanity, and that transcending humanity is desirable, which is a very strange and harmful concept. It's like we are supposed to be ashamed of being animals (because that's somehow "lower") and hide that from everyone around us. It's interesting to consider how clothing reflects our attitudes and values.
The blue and white floral print that you used for the top that I can see (no way to know if the skirt portion is the same) is absolutely charming, and the fichu is just the perfect way to add a little modesty to the daring neckline.
I loved this! The whole topic was interesting throughout and especially the information on literally how long it would take to produce fabric back in those days. Something you just don't think about nowadays with our industrial advancement. Can't wait for the upcoming 500 years of videos :-)
I’m juuuust old enough to have heard as a child that you should never show off your pregnancy. My mother was dressed in these insanely shaped garments to hide her belly but of course, that didn’t really work by the end lmao. By the time I was considering children for myself that had shifted. Now we are delightfully proud of that life stage and generally don’t hide. I chose to not have children, but if I had, I would not have hidden. I like the change, though being able to stay home and not have to go out in the later stages certainly sounds like a pro, not a con!!!
It’s so wild to imagine how recent it was too that things started to shift around visibly seeing pregnancy. Definitely feel really grateful that people are proud of pregnancy today generally and don’t force it to be hidden.
As someone who can't have children but tried, I think that "don't show off" thing probably came from how common pregnancy loss was. If nobody knew you were pregnant, you wouldn't have to answer the awkward "how are you feeling" type questions after you lost the baby. Also, people are SO WEIRD about pregnant women, it has become acceptable to touch random strangers just because she has a belly. Hiding the belly for a long time would make it much easier to go about without idiot strangers trying to touch you.
I never really heard this (I was born in 1970.) I don't recall what my mother wore while pregnant with my sister--I was 3. But I had all four of my kids during the 90's and even then, I had a very hard time finding maternity clothes that didn't look like they were made for a toddler. Bows and ruffles galore! As a six foot tall woman, I didn't want to be dressed like some frilly confection. I'm eagerly awaiting grandchildren, and think it's so cool that now maternity clothes look like regular clothes with a little extra room.
I’ve never really heard this. Must be a regional or personal thing. And vintage 20th century maternity clothing was often just loose or with pieces that gave them the ability to grow along with the women. I’ve got lots of pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant not hidden at all. Perhaps they just didn’t wear “bump hugging” clothes as much as women do now
Something I definitely would recommend looking at because it's just Fantastic. Is princess buttercups red dress from Princess Bride. The bare bones of the pattern is almost exactly like my grandmother's summer house dress that's probably 50 years old. With minor changes it can work for nearly any century, including the modern day.
Thank you! That’s a very good point! I’m guessing though that babies had all sorts of potential hazards since infant mortality was extremely high historically. Probably pins was a more minimal worry.
as someone who sews with 2 healthy children, I've never had issue with my babies swallowing pins- they get put in a pincushion or a container and are kept out of children's reach. In modern settings It's more likely that my child would find it in the carpet and it stabs their feet. We also have remember most people had wood, tile or earthen floors and such pins are easier to spot on these flooring types . With what I DO know about health sanitation and other things about history would be more concerned with: drowning, falls , choking, accidental smothering and diseases than pins around small children..
During the timeframe where women would have used pins to daily close their clothes, pins were expensive and labor intensive. A woman would have kept tabs on where they were and taken care to store them in a secure place.
What does "extremely gendered" refer to? I am absolutely baffled. Can one be "extremely gendered"? Nothing comes up in Google when I type that in..... ?
my current favourite pieces in my wardrobe were marketed as sustainably made maternity wear, and due to how they're made they're perfect pregnant and loose or not pregnant and with a belt or pair of (particularly pretty) stays on top!
This was great, thank you! I have made an early medieval dress for Viking age living history. The gores pretty much start under my armpits and it is huge around the waist. I have had two kids and I made the dress this way without another pregnancy in mind. Just because it would accommodate every stage of a women's changing body and that is great to show to the visitors at the museums.
I fell in love with fashion history when I was 12 and my parents bought a set of World Book encyclopedias. When I discovered the entry about fashion history I would pour over the the illustrations of the various kinds of women’s and men’s throughout history and then invent and draw my own takes on the prevailing fashions at any given time. This visit with your excellent fashion historian was so informative. When I think of pregnancy clothing from around 1830 until the 1980’s I think of the smocks and Mother Hubbard dresses that my mom and many other ladies that I knew wore. When I got pregnant with my son in 1988 fashion was turning away from tent like fashions to more fitted maternity clothes. It was definitely a welcome change because wearing the equivalent of a circus tent was not a flattering look on any woman. I and most of my friends who were pregnant during this transitional period of time were already dealing with a rapidly changing silhouette, and the last thing we needed was to feel frumpy on top of being pregnant. Thank goodness that the sky’s the limit in terms of pregnancy fashions now rather than there being only one way to dress AND be comfortable during those nine months!
Thank you so much! I definitely agree that it’s such a blessing there are many maternity options now and that it doesn’t just have to be loose fitting garments. Also that pregnancy isn’t something needing to be hidden anymore is a big help, because many can now wear tighter fitting maternity clothes that they perhaps feel more comfortable in and still be accepted in society overall. It’s great progress.
This was so interesting. I loved the expression "professional complainers", they are definitely still around! Women have it so much easier now, it is just unbelievable how closeted women were in their houses in previous centuries
Glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Women definitely have it much easier now (generally speaking as I’m sure there are places where women have it far worse or just as bad as historically). Even with that being said though, there is still so much work to be done for women’s rights.
I've been wondering about this since I heard of maternity corset (which apparently only started to be a thing from the 1870s on?). Anyway this is such a thorough exploration of the history behind it, I'll take a look on it time and again if I need it 😺😉
As in I don’t believe just women can get pregnant, but because we’re speaking about a Christian society hundreds of years ago, the language is very binary.
I enjoyed this video very much. Talking about women not going in public. If you were Pregnant. When Queen Elizabeth II had her 25th anniversary on the thrown. Princess Anne was pregnant. All the reports on tv. We’re wondering out loud. If we would see Princess Anne. Would she would come out in public. Because she was pregnant. The reports were so excited when she did come out with the rest of the royal family.
Very facinating, and it makes total sense that ones everyday clothing would also be maternety wear! Especially with how many pregnancies people in the past went through
Thanks Lilja! And yes absolutely, especially considering how much time it used to take just to make one dress. Very few would have had the time to have separate maternity specific garments so they’d need sort of a Swiss army knife of garments that would be perfect for anything life could throw at you haha.
They really didn’t go through *that many pregnancies- more couples had children than today but miscarriages, deadly pregnancy and birth complications, childbed fever, etc were so common that it wasn’t something they avg gal did that often tbh. Wealthier women who had access to proper nutrition and doctors had larger families- that’s why there’s so many queens and princess that had a lot of children, they also didn’t have to work and had more time on their hands. Birth rates actually increased in the early to mid 20th century during times of medical revolution.
My grandma, born 1920, referred to casual dresses as wrappers. This would be anything she would wear at home, in the yard, even the front porch. But not one step out of the yard. As in i cant go to the store with you untill i change out of this! Its just a wrapper!
At around 32:00, Ms McGann mentions how a pregnant woman as compared often to a pregnant horse and it was scandalous if they went outdoors whilst pregnant and you reply 'how sad' made me think of what I often say. One can't judge other people's actions with today's mentality. Today we would think it's sad, however, back then, it was normal thinking. Just like in 100 years from now, the people living might think of us as weird or even nuts, in the way we think. I absolutely loved this video and learned so much. Thank you for creating it and all the information you gave us. Thanks from Canada
I wear 18th C back-lacing stays. I dress myself. If you can clasp your hands behind your waist, It is not a big deal to pull cord any more than it is to tie an apron behind your waist. Modern corset wearers do not need servants to get dressed either. Leave the stays laced but LOOOSE. Put it on over your head, pull cord. Tie bow. Done. I live alone in 21st and 18th Centuries.
I'm pregnant and don't want to spend money on a maternity wardrobe. So I have muslin on the way to make a shift, possibly 2 or 3, for everyday wear, and an over dress that will wind break well in the winter. I decided on regency dresses because I KNEW those would fit (and got a great deal on an authentic pattern) but was curious so I found you! It's fascinating. Mind I hate modern conventional fashion but I apparently ADORE historical fashion.
Congrats on the pregnancy! Regency dresses were a great call, super accommodating for pregnancy as you say 😊 Historical fashion has many convenient elements and can be very sustainable, so I don't blame you for loving it!
I’m not apologising, I’m simply stating that not all people who experience pregnancy are women and I want to make sure everyone is included, but that this video specifically focuses on a time and place where there were strong gender constructs (and a very binary time and place).
5:25 I wonder if the clothes that had a smaller waist were for teens. At what age did women consider having children? I wonder if they could modify their teen garments for their “child bearing” years or if they worked on making new garments while they were young and just gave their old clothes to their younger siblings. Those garments with the small waist are so interesting! They make me think about family dynamics and how a young woman might make her new big girl shift and kirtle with her mom. The finger pricks, the laughs, getting annoyed at her mom for demonstrating a stitch too fast.
Hello: Sorry I am so late to the party...lol. I just discovered this video. It was very interesting a well done. Thank you. I had hoped that the time period would go to the end of the 1900's . My own pregnancies were in the 1980's and 90.s It always made me laugh at that time that for some reason society felt that women carrying a baby should also dress like a baby. For reference, refer to Princess Diana and Sarah, Duchess of York. Everything I owned had ducky buttons or cotton candy stripes, big lacy collars, sailor styles or pastel overalls. All of which would have looked delightful on a 2 year old. Anyone else remember this or have any explanation for it?
Thanks so much for watching! Gosh, that sounds so absolutely infantilising, how awful that was the acceptable maternity fashion in the 1980s and 90s. I’m really grateful there are so many more maternity fashion options now, even if that means wearing more historical styles from a couple hundred years ago and altering them into a more modern lens.
My mom was pregnant with me in 1984 and she explains that pregnant people then wore large billowy things to hide their pregnancy. She was kind of shocked that I wanted to wear dresses that showed my bump.
I am pregnant with twins and the clothing that is working best for me, which I wore when not pregnant, are a couple of Regency style dresses with adjustable drawstrings. I'm finding in general that accommodating the boob expansion is harder than accommodating the waist expansion.
The boob expansion is much harder to deal with, after giving birth to twins 3 months ago my waist is back to a fairly normal size but my old dresses still don't fit over all that milk 🤣
I just watched a video about the Chinese tradition of seclusion post pregnancy. Included was the tradition of wrapping the abdomen post vaginal birth to help support the body shrinking back into position. Anything from probably all the way back to stays, offered that same support post delivery. I wonder at the long term health problems modern birth parents have over time because of this lack of support.
actually, i'm a student midwife and it's been a passion of mine to research belly supports in pregnancy and the postpartum, so i can elucidate a bit on what i've found out. yes, especially post-surgical birth or in cases where the abdominal muscles ended up separating over the growing uterus, there can be some complications caused by the lack of support. i personally believe the occasional incontinence often attributed to a weak pelvic floor is actually the unsupported uterus leaning into the bladder, as an example. this is a symptom frequently shared by people who have fibroids on the anterior side of the uterus pressing into the bladder. evidence shows that things like kegels do help, but there isn't as much clinical research on the utility of belly supports to compare results. most of what i've found is ethnographic or historical. mexica and other indigenous folks from the region of mexico have a cerrando a las caderas ceremony, or a closing of the hips that involves binding the broad bones of the pelvis together after la cuarentena, or period of isolation following the birth. this supports the cartilege that binds the pubic bones together while it heals as well as the organs/abdominal muscles.
Wait! Did you just apologise for recognising gender? I've never heard anything so darn sad in my life - apologising for recognising two genders - what the hell has this freak show of a world come to 🤦🏼♀️
There are more than two genders, always has been. Look to many Indigenous and non-Christian societies historically and the facts are all there. 2 genders is an extremely modern construct, and one heavily created by modern day Christianity. (Not to mention, inter-sex people exist and always have). Because we focus in this video on a heavily Christian part of the world and during a time and place where gender was not spoken about outside of the binary, I give the heads up. It’s not to apologise, it’s to ensure that people who don’t fit into the social construct of the gender binary still feel included in the conversation because this is a safe space for all genders and sexualities. What this isn’t a safe space for is transphobia. I greatly recommend you read up about the gender constructs of Indigenous and non-Christian societies historically, for instance reading up about two-spirit people. Have a nice day!
@@VBirchwood GENDER is a cultural and linguistic construct. It is not the same as sex. There are only two biological sexes, female and male...sex is binary. Gender is made up.
I almost didn't want to click on this to watch because other such videos spanning such large chunks of time have been...tedious. V. and Kass...y'all did a fantastic job with this topic over such a span of time! I'm very much looking forward to any next installment! I also had some "dots connect" on the idea that the more fabric in one's ensemble symbolized one's wealth. The next time I see a scantily clad female I might charitibly comment, "Well, bless your heart, honey. I'm so sorry about your financial misfortunes." ...and hand her a dollar or two. 😂
While I understand and on some level can appreciate your joke as someone who dresses more modestly in day to day life, I would remind you that it is a miracle that women can wear whatever they want today. That freedom of choice is something we should celebrate. Also, someone “scantily clad” today could very easily be wearing something more costly than someone more covered up depending on the fabric and label worn.
The discussion about women being confined for the end of pregnancy should be clearer that it is limited to only women of wealth, even before the Victorian period. Women who didn't have wealth continued to work in a normal way until their baby was born. And the idea of the 'Perfect Lady' is mostly a myth. It's something the media of the time talked about and people would aspire to but wasn't real.
I believe Kass does mention multiple times throughout the video that this specifically applies to people of wealth, as she explains how working women still had to work and there was a massive class divide. And yes, the “perfect lady” isn’t a real thing, but certainly the Victorians had their own ideals about what a women was expected to be like, and plenty of women’s guides etc show us this. Even today, in many places women are expected to be a certain way. Additionally, it would be far too difficult to fit every single possible nuance into this relatively short video. It’s just a general overview of concepts around 500 years of maternity clothing.
When I clicked on this video I did so because I was curious and had no intention of watching the entire thing. But here I am 40 minutes later wondering why the video ended. This was so informative and interesting. Thanks for doing this and I look forward to seeing more.
My grandmother, a life long seamstress (specifically was known for her historically accurate costumes for our theater) would’ve appreciated this type of content had it been around earlier so thank you for these educational videos. I do have to say comparing our modern perceptions of life (what we deem right and wrong) to early times is unfair if not ignorant. We have so many more luxuries and conveniences today than women ever have had so of course it seems horrific if not barbaric to imagine a pregnant woman in the Victorian era forced to stay home but I love that the expert on here quickly reminds us of the differences of then to today and why. It’s easy to criticize history or what was practiced during a point in time. There are parts of history that will always remain egregious and inhumane but we weren’t there, our ancestors were and I appreciate this expert and the facts and points she brings. Especially with the point made on how long it took to sew a man’s garment/shirt and why women often wore the style of dress they wore with the waist and that was to accommodate pregnancy. Absolutely makes sense
This was such an interesting video. I could have listened to these two ladies all day. Fascinating information and years of education and research here!
The real reason why modern women say things like "I don't have the right body for 1920s clothing" isn't because they believe that only ideal body shapes existed at the time, but that some historical fashions only appeal to modern sensibilities if worn on a very specific body type. No matter how much someone is into historical fashion, they are still being influenced by modern beauty standards.
Hi! Such an educational video, thank you both so much for that! You did mention nursing for a few seconds in the 1770s, but I was wondering if you could explain it a bit more for me. How would the clothing work to nurse the child in the 1770-1780s? I would think that the corset would make it a bit hard even with the different lacing ways. Thank you!
Thanks so much! I’m glad you enjoyed the video 😊 in the 1770s and 80s they were still wearing stays and the front edge of the stays generally comes up to the nipples. Because of that the bust sits quite high up and would be very easy just to remove from the stays by pulling upwards. There’s a RUclips/Instagram channel called Katherine Sewing who has done a lot of content on pregnancy and stays/corsets through first hand experience actually, and on her Instagram she has a demonstration of breastfeeding in a corset, and the height of where the corset meets the breasts is the same as with the stays so it wouldn’t be much different. Hopefully that clarifies it a bit!
25:00 In fairness, horseback riding is still one of the things they specifically tell you not to do during pregnancy, because pregnancy messes up your balance some, and a fall is dangerous to both mother and baby. (And I imagine that jouncing up and down with a full bump would be just plain uncomfortable.) The other arguments wouldn't fly today, but there's some truth to that one.
Fun fact about Stubbs’ Anatomy of Abuses: The author, Philip Stubbs, wrote a pamphlet criticizing Queen Elizabeth and when she was considering marrying the Duke of Anjou. For his pains, Queen Elizabeth cut off Mr. Stubbs right hand.
🤯🤯🤯This filled in so many blanks for me, THANK YOU! What an awesome video! I wonder if there is a connection at all between the stomacher/Mantua and certain Norwegian folk costume? I know that upper class fashion trickled down into the common folk slowly, and I know that the upper classes throughout Europe were more connected and aware of foreign trends...but I wonder if continental Europe had that much possible influence on Scandinavian fashions.
I’m so glad it was helpful! The stomacher and Norwegian fashion potential connection sounds interesting. I can ask my friend that knows a lot about Norwegian fashion and perhaps she’d have an answer 😊
So I spoke with my friend and she mentioned that Norwegian fashions were influenced by whatever European fashions were popular with the local customs applied. The Norwegian clothing from 18th-19th century known as folk clothing was designed to be easily alterable, so some bunads may have had a loose stomacher to make that purpose easier.
What an excellent video. Well presented without a lot of extraneous faff. I learned a lot. I will subscribe to this channel. I've done a lot of research (writing a novel set in 1886 in rural USA) and discovered the 'mother hubbard' kind of garment. As a workaday garment, this seemed to serve the pregnancy purpose well. It could be tied at the waist when not pregnant, or above the waist during early pregnancy, or just left hanging loose, which meant a woman could go through the entire period of pregnancy in this one garment. It was usually gathered above the bust, so everything was accomodated, including enlarged breasts. However, it was not usually a style that was worn outside the home. I have an excellent copy of Dover's reprint of Metropolitan Fashions of the 1880s (from the 1885 Butterick Catalog) that clearly illustrates several types of dresses that could easily be used as maternity garments, including a couple of very obvious 'blouse dresses' with separate bodice and skirt. It also shows long one-piece 'wrappers' and other pleated garments shown with sashes-often claimed to be 'house dresses' as well. This catalog was intended for women to order patterns from, for home sewing, I assume these kinds of designs would have been quite popular. Another Dover reprint, Bloomingdale's Illustrated 1886 Catalog (Fashions, Dry Goods and Housewares) is useful for research and also shows many patterns, including Mother Hubbards, that could be used for pregancy.
This was really cool overall and a topic that gets asked a lot but not covered much. Also, I am a beginning sewist and Kass's patterns have helped ease me into making garments. Thanks to you both!
“Wet nurses” have been a thing for a long time but breastfeeding has gone back and forth in popularity. Was breastfeeding at a particularly low ebb during the Victorian era? If the clothing and culture didn’t accommodate for pregnancy it probably didn’t favor nursing either.
Breastfeeding garments and corsets existed and were often combined with maternity garments. I’ve seen many examples from the 19th century. Speaking on the Victorian era, bf was uncommon, obvs one reason was that it required the breast to out- but also it was difficult to produce milk bc of poor nutrition and other factors. It was also dangerous bc of infections and the inability to treat them. Wealthy women used wet nurses and milk supplements. Poorer women had to make do and sometimes breastfed. But many babies (and moms) died for many reasons.
Hello! I live in Sweden and I love historical gowns. My dream is to open a museum with historical gowns but my father says that Sweden is too small for that kind of project.
maybe try doing a marketing survey to assess the interest in historical clothing. Also maybe adding other subjects for example ancient Swedish ? Scandinavian? textiles, household items such as sewing, crafting, leisure- games, toys, etc. to broaden museum idea to include more than just one "dresses"theme... And check statistics of tourism in your beautiful country!
My Aunt who was born in 1925 was totally disapproving of anything resembling a SMOCK in the 1970s on up because they looked like Maternity Smocks from the 50's. I have an actual Maternity Smock that was my mom's (from the mid 50's) made by HANES. Yes, HANES produced a specific Maternity line. My jaw dropped and my eyes bugged open when I saw the label 😮
Edit: I’m getting a little bit tired of having to explain why I censored the word miscarriage in this video. I do not believe miscarriage is something we need to censor, as it is a common occurrence and is a tragedy that should be openly spoken about (if an individual feels comfortable discussing their experience of course). RUclips does, however, have very unfair censorship regulations, and miscarriage is often a demonetised word. Demonitisation means a video doesn't get recommended as much, which in turn would cause people to miss out on this valuable educational content. I think it is vital that those who feel comfortable speak out about their experiences with miscarriage and related subjects, as no one should have to feel alone in such a situation. I had to make the difficult decision to censor the word not because it reflects my belief, but because I didn’t want the video to get suppressed and thus have many miss out on this important educational content. Please don’t leave rude replies about this in the comments section, and please consider my deeper reason for “why”, which is clearly not to suppress this tragic experience, rather to make sure as many people as possible can see this video, and thus benefit from its educational value.
Welcome to this channel's latest "500 Years of..." series! This week's video is a bit of a long one, but I think it's a well-worth-it watch as Kass McGann of Reconstructing History walks us through 500 years of maternity clothing!
TW: We will be talking about the sensitive subjects of infant mortality and miscarriage, so if these are triggering topics for you in any way, please SKIP the content between time stamps 25:40-26:33.
Thank you very much for watching.
I would love to see you tackle regarding head coverings/hat evolution in western European fashion in this format!
@@thatterigirl I think you will be pleasantly surprised in a few months 😉
500 years of corsets/stays would be extremely helpful for my history bounding and historical costuming!
It was something we considered, but sadly they’ve been around less than 500 years! Even the Pair of Bodies, the precursor to the stays, isn’t 500 years old yet
I really appreciate how sensitively you handled this subject. I have had several losses recently, and miscarriage is very difficult for me to hear about right now. By letting me know what would be covered, and even bleeping out the word, it made me feel like I could watch the video and feel okay.
As an older farmer in the Deep South, who wears a corset for back support, I would love to see historic clothing for women in the tropics, especially working women.
That's not a whole lot of clothing, considering what you're probably thinking of is white people we didn't start traveling near the equator into a couple hundred years ago. What working women wore in the tropics wasn't a whole lot, probably sandals and maybe a loin cloth. The female chest just wasn't sexualized and still isn't by a vast majority of cultures
@@awkwardpotato7900 I think I would benefit from knowledge these fashion historians have about Edwardian or Victorian era clothing worn by working women in the tropics.
@M I A be sure to ask your doctor.
@@awkwardpotato7900 my family came to the Deep Southeast in 1621, so I know nurses and teachers were working in these peri-tropics in the early 1600s. Spanish women were in the Caribbean, Central and South Americas a hundred years earlier.
In South East Asia didn’t wear corsets traditionally - barring closet to the 17 & 18th century ( if I’m not mistaken ) where the concept of corsets were brought in from the west. Traditional outfits here were made of loose printed cotton ( batik) , and the upper class adorned it with jewelry ( eg -gold belts vs cotton belts)
My husband and I really enjoy going to the Renaissance Faire every year. It was even our first date. The year we went when I was pregnant with my oldest it never occurred to me that I would need a maternity dress for faire. I simply undid the side laces on my dress and only laced them to the top of my belly. It worked so well that I did it again couple years later when I was pregnant with our daughter. Over the years and various fairs, I recall seeing various women wearing their costumes over their pregnant belly. There was only one woman that ever complained about her bodice being uncomfortable. But then she was just uncomfortable in general due to the heat and the fact that her bodice was made out of entirely synthetic materiels. For some women pregnancy and the heat don't mix combined with a bodice that doesn't breath its no wonder it was uncomfortable. This was a fascinating topic to cover. I'm really enjoying the 500 years of fashion series.
How interesting! It's great to hear your personal experience with this as well. I can definitely see how the combination of pregnancy, heat, and fabric that doesn't breathe the best could become very uncomfortable for that individual! Thanks so much for watching 😊
Have you heard of the SCA? It’s not my thing but my father participates and has for over a decade if not longer. It’s not “renaissance” but is more focused on historically accurate imitation of the medieval times, that’s a very poor description but if you like renaissance fairs you might like the sca
Appreciated this video a lot. I have four children and spent all of my mid-20s to early 30s, pregnant or breastfeeding. My body was constantly changing shape, and I had a LOT of frustration with modern fashion and how many garments I had to own for my constantly expanding or shrinking breasts, belly, and thighs. While I appreciate the huge number of issues that come with assuming pregnancy and breastfeeding and post-partum bodies are obligatory for women, I appreciate a concept of fashion that makes room for these seasons and fluctuations in some of our lives.
Thank you!! I’m really glad you enjoyed it. It’s definitely (I’d imagine) so frustrating having to deal with modern day maternity clothing. Bodies are made to change and evolve, that’s natural, and it’s a bit strange that clothing doesn’t often make room for this for adults. Perhaps because generally clothes these days are cheaper, people aren’t as much in the repair and alter mindset so to speak. As much as things were horrible all throughout history for many individuals, little aspects like clothing being made to evolve with an evolving body shows some of the innovative and useful (even today) things that existed in history.
So true! Thankfully I sewed my own clothes for each pregnancy I made one outfit, with exception of #4 where I made two outfits! So by then I had 5 outfits. For my first my sister gave me a mumu which was very comfortable but couldn’t wear it to work because I had a uniform.
The front/back lacing discussion at 39:00 is one of those things that seem so obvious once someone else says it. Who did up the back lacing for a working woman? Well, her husband, probably, and if she wasn't married yet, a sibling or parent or co-worker. Almost no one lived alone in those days, especially women.
Exactly! It was a myth I believed for a long time as well, and when Kass made this point, it's like it all clicked. Women almost always lived with someone, as you say.
@Chrysanthemum I feel like a lot of women’s dresses and skirts still require two people to put on. I can sometimes put my skirt on backwards, so I can reach the zipper, and then turn it around once zipped. I obviously can’t do that with dresses though. (FYI: I most only wear skirts and dresses. I very rarely wear pants.) At least twice a week, I need to have my mom or fiancé help me zip up my clothing. One time, my mom was on vacation, and I had to sleep in my clothes, because I couldn’t reach the zipper on my own. 😂
personal experience says anyone flexible enough to scratch their entire back can probably tie a back lacing corset for themselves. it's a lot easier to adjust/tighten laces and then tie them off than it is to zip up a modern dress with a back opening.
Not to mention you can mostly lace up a corset in front and then turn it around and tighten it :V
I've seen plenty of historical costume videos where they show how it is very easy for a woman to lace her own stays and corsets by herself, even those in the back. Basically, they would lace it loosely, slip it on, then pull the laces tight in the middle and tie the laces. Much like how you lace and tie shoes.
From a slightly divergent perspective, I prefer to leave the house much less when I’m pregnant because I get tired, my feet can swell, I have to pee frequently, etc. So to some degree, this may have been less about oppression than convenience. Obviously working class women didn’t have as much of a choice. Such a fun video! I’m glad it popped up in my suggested videos!
That’s very understandable! There are so many new factours to be worried about whilst pregnant, or that can just make someone feel flat out uncomfortable. I’d imagine nesting at home can sometimes just feel like a welcome relief. So glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for watching it and for your comment 🥰
i agree i was reading the english countrywoman and the magority of women worked 247 doing stuff to add minute earnings to the family, although i have no doubt, the richer folk were far more restrictive with outings from what i read in that book the commoners throughout most periods were working all the time either in the home or outside all day from 5am to late 7-8pm or more, i think it would of been a dream for a lot of women in those times to be told to stay in bed and have 5 months to themselves, although i imagine all would of hated being confined to the actual bed for five months, i cant imagine many stuck to it. still very interesting and great video.
I totally agree! But the though of being looked down on for leaving the house when pregnant is definitely dumb 😅
@@redwolfden7930as someone who had to bedrest for 6+ months of each pregnancy.... It's miserable. And also impossible if you've got a kid already, then it was a lot of 'do what you have to for the lottles then get horizontal wherever you can'. I'm guessing it was pretty simple for a wealthy woman to do and utterly impossible for working women, and you basically would've had no choice but to 'let the inevitable happen" and try again.
Thank you a very thoughtful discussion. I feel like so many people infantilize people in the past, especially women, when on the contrary they were wonderfully practical and inventive in their approach to everyday problems. While today's fashions offer more freedom in some way, we have lost a lot of knowledge in how to make adaptable and longer lasting clothing and there is a cost to that.
Thank you for your comment! It’s definitely quite disheartening we’ve lost a lot of the practices of repairing and altering quality made clothing. At the same time though we are starting to see a very slow fashion resurgence, like what I try to promote on this channel and do in my own life, and that’s quite amazing to see as more people start making their own clothes 😊
I was born in 1962, and I remember how 'shocked' I was to see women starting to accentuate their pregnant bellies (instead of having their clothing drape loosely across them) ... I believe it was in the late 80s or early 90s
I would love to see a video where historical clothing wearer brings in a friend who is pregnant and shows "this is how this outfit fits non-maternity, and then this is how this same outfit fits maternity" if that makes sense. Just to see how those same pieces can shift and change and to see how it would move and look in real life in both contrasting circumstances. Heck I'm pregnant now, I'll volunteer if someone has a historical wardrobe to share for a video😅
That would be super fascinating! I would recommend the channel “Katherine Sewing.” She has videos on wearing stays whilst pregnant 😊
That's such a fantastic idea!
I wasn't planning on watching this whole thing, but it was so well done! And fascinating. I can sleep tomorrow... If my 2 year old will let me... But thank you for taking such care to find examples in art, and zooming in on the details being discussed. I think this is the first RUclips video I've seen that does such an amazing job at this. Thank you for taking the time to do that.
I’m so glad you enjoyed the video! Hope you’re able to get some sleep! 😊
Despite having a generally healthy pregnancy, I had a very restrictive one. I lived at a pregnant women and children’s shelter where they had rules for the women who stayed there. I could not stay in bed, even if I was tired and wanted to, and I had to be working or schooling.
It was also hard for me to get maternity clothes because I was a small girl and many of the clothes were large sized. Clothes felt extremely tight, to the point where sometimes I felt choked and had to unbutton and lower my pants. When I got large later on, the maternity pants I had were too loose and kept sliding off my hips and stomach.
I would have loved some adjusters on my waistline/hip line or to be able to wear heavy skirts or dresses in cold weather. And most of all, I would’ve given anything to be allowed to lounge whenever I felt tired.
Women have never had more rights in history than today, but our clothes and expectations of women are still restrictive, just in different ways. I wish we could look at women’s clothing in history with a bit more positive light and make clothes more diverse and accessible for larger women, pregnant women, and nursing women.
I realize that you chose to only cover 500 years, but I remember stories from my mom and her sister (and sisters-in-law) about how, until the 1970s, it was rare to see a woman in late stages of pregnancy as it was still considered improper to advertise fecundity (as if it were something dirty). In fact, my mom and her sister were scolded as children in the late 50's/early 60's for mentioning that one of their aunts was pregnant! (My mom reportedly exclaimed, "Aunt Betty's pregnant again?!!!!")
I remember reading a childrens book assigned to me by a teacher around 2000 where a child saying "pregnant" was still treated by the adults in the scene as disruptive and as transgressive as a swear word
Indeed, on the show "I Love Lucy", not only was Lucille Ball the first pregnant woman to be shown on a TV program, but they couldn't say the word "pregnant". They had to say "expecting".
So, Political Correctness brigades have always been around policing words! Sad!!!
@@RowanWarren78 I think it might be a personal thing- in my family and I know many other pregnancy has been celebrated and folks are very eager. I’ve got pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant both at home and in public
Interesting, my Mom doesn’t remember that. Now clearly morals were different or held at a higher standard then but women weren’t hidden away in late stages of pregnancy. She remembers her Mom and Aunts being too busy raising kids, cooking, grocery shopping, even sewing clothes, etc. to have hidden themselves in their homes. She also remembers discussions about a particular sister in law being pregnant “again” in family discussions or gossip. It was more common that they stayed home and didn’t work which was perfectly normal. They didn’t show off their pregnant bellies or pop their boobs out to breastfeed publicly like today but they weren’t forbid to come out of the house because they were 8 months pregnant
I could listen to Cass for hours. She really knows her stuff and how to convey fashion history in a way that is fascinating. Wow!
She’s brilliant! 😊
I'm a plus size woman and I've known for a long time that maternity clothes can be used for everyday wear with only slight modification, or sometimes even none.
I think the adaptability of the clothing is useful even today. I got huge so I did have to retire some pants but most of my dresses fit and I didn’t need to buy much at all when pregnant. It was so convenient.
The hardest part of pregnancy as a reenactor was never the clothes for sure, it was the heat outside! I've met so many other preggo reenactors wearing clothing from all over the world and covering most time periods; nearly all of it is bump-adaptable unless for exceedingly rich women or women who did a victorian-style confinement.
I am doing some family history research and read that my female German forebears probably wore skirts made with deep openings from waist downwards. So the back tied around the waist at the front while the front of the skirt tied at the back. Very adjustable and the slits at each side allowed access to a sort of purse worn underneath. Sounded very practical
That’s extremely similar to how a British 18th century skirt is tied :) one deep slit on each side, ties back to front and then front to back.
Totally enjoyable video, answering a few questions of my own. As someone who spins, I often have wondered about the turnaround time to produce a garment of linen or wool. 4 years for linen, and probably 2-3 for wool. And this labor to produce fabric means fabric is costly. Also, in reference to ministers, etc., of the Puritan days complaining of women's riding clothing, it is actually a Biblical injunction about cross-dressing: Deuteronomy 22:5, we read, "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God." Depending on your beliefs, there you go for many reasons clothing was relegated to sexes in the west. In Asia, and other parts of the world, women did wear pants. So, part of western dress and dressing mandates are also founded on religious mandates.
I'm glad it was so enjoyable! I always find Kass really fun to speak with 😊Fabric really must have been so expensive, probably a cost that we cannot even fathom nowadays. Even in the Victorian era clothes were expensive compared to now, and that's with full-fledged industrial revolution productions.
Ah yes! It makes perfect sense then that with Western history especially being so influenced by Christianity, that clothing would be delegated as per Deuteronomy 22:5 as you reference. I was raised in an Eastern school of thought, so I appreciate the insight into this as it's not an area I'm familiar with! 😊
@@VBirchwood The usual thing we say on the subject is "Back then labour was cheap and fabric expensive. Now labour is (more) expensive and fabric is (relatively) cheap. Italian merchant families in the late 15th century were known to spend their entire fortunes on specially-woven silk brocade for their eldest daughter's wedding just so they could show off. After the wedding, the fabric was secretly auctioned off to pay the debts incurred for the celebration!
This was a fascinating topic, thank you so much for covering it. The vast majority of us watching understood and appreciated why you had to censor as a youtube creator who wants this to reach as many people as possible.
Thank you for the kind comment and the reassurance of my choices (which I did to benefit the greatest good.) They're both greatly appreciated 😊
This is without doubt the most fascinating fashion video on RUclips. It was so enlightening and a joy to watch.
So glad you enjoyed it!
It suddenly makes sense to me why the Mudlarking community in London finds so many pins in the mud of the Thames!
I've been curious about this for YEARS and just found this. Amazing! Thank you!
This is SO interesting! This is how I ended up wearing a herjolfsnes as my normal clothes. I originally made them when I was pregnant. Six children later, I considered taking them in so that the dress was fitted in through the bodice and gored from the waist down, and I thought (whew) what a lot of work -- so I didn't change them. Now, I swoosh around in these big multi-gored dresses, people tell me they're pretty, and I could easily wear any of them while carrying twins.
This is so awesome to hear! What a great reason to keep wearing herjolfsnes as normal garments too. It’s amazing how many historical items are so versatile, even to this day.
Just to look at them in a photo, I feel like I'm going to pass out. They look so heavy.
This was a really fascinating video! I'd never actually thought about maternity wear, having not had any children, but would have simply assumed that with all that fabric there was plenty of room to hide the bulge! I honestly hadn't thought of the Victorian era issues. Really enjoyed the bit about the woman hours required to sew one man's tunic, and also the bits about the Victorians height being stunted by the industrial revolution. I actually watched this one twice because there were so many fascinating details that I'd not heard before. Thanks! I quite look forward to seeing your future collaborations. Will check out Cass's channel too!
Thanks so much Elinor! I’m glad you learned so much useful information from this video, and thanks for the two views 😁
If you look at the publications of French fashion plates of “Galerie de la Mode” during the late 1700’s there were references to Maternity Outifits…they would be called deshabillé ( in a state of undress) and of course still wearing plenty of clothing just not wearing noticeable tightened stays.
I had never seen that robe from the Golden Age of Trade before- it’s very cool! I love the idea of using nice fabric to make a comfortable garment so you can adjust it for body changes. I had no idea that’s where the robe a l’anglaise/Francois came from!
Isn’t Kass just a wonderful wealth of knowledge? 🥰
I do 12th C reenactment. When I was pregnant I did make a pregnancy tunic dress because I get big! But I was able to wear my regular garb for most of it. I did build a nursing chemise (used a nursing nightgown pattern) to wear under front laced gowns. I also made a tunic with slits and put Byzantine trim to cover the slits which closed with hook and eye.
This is so fascinating to hear! Thanks for sharing your experience 😊
Cool..
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Thank you! I loved this video! Your guest is very knowledgeable and entertaining, and I learned a lot. (I have some Reconstructing History patterns and the one I've made turned out really well.) I've always suspected that women's clothing had lacing because of pregnancy (and monthly bloating and such) so I'm glad to have it confirmed.
I'm beginning to think a lot of our modern social problems were inherited from the Victorians - not that the problems didn't exist before that, but the particular form they take now was heavily influenced by Victorian thinking. That was a weird time in history. It seems like the development of technology makes people believe they can transcend humanity, and that transcending humanity is desirable, which is a very strange and harmful concept. It's like we are supposed to be ashamed of being animals (because that's somehow "lower") and hide that from everyone around us. It's interesting to consider how clothing reflects our attitudes and values.
The blue and white floral print that you used for the top that I can see (no way to know if the skirt portion is the same) is absolutely charming, and the fichu is just the perfect way to add a little modesty to the daring neckline.
I loved this! The whole topic was interesting throughout and especially the information on literally how long it would take to produce fabric back in those days. Something you just don't think about nowadays with our industrial advancement. Can't wait for the upcoming 500 years of videos :-)
Thank you so much 22mononoke 😊
Lesson: Women in the past knew what they were doing, and cities are horrible.
Lol yes, cities are fun for having things to do. Questionable for the health.
I’m juuuust old enough to have heard as a child that you should never show off your pregnancy. My mother was dressed in these insanely shaped garments to hide her belly but of course, that didn’t really work by the end lmao. By the time I was considering children for myself that had shifted. Now we are delightfully proud of that life stage and generally don’t hide. I chose to not have children, but if I had, I would not have hidden. I like the change, though being able to stay home and not have to go out in the later stages certainly sounds like a pro, not a con!!!
It’s so wild to imagine how recent it was too that things started to shift around visibly seeing pregnancy. Definitely feel really grateful that people are proud of pregnancy today generally and don’t force it to be hidden.
As someone who can't have children but tried, I think that "don't show off" thing probably came from how common pregnancy loss was. If nobody knew you were pregnant, you wouldn't have to answer the awkward "how are you feeling" type questions after you lost the baby. Also, people are SO WEIRD about pregnant women, it has become acceptable to touch random strangers just because she has a belly. Hiding the belly for a long time would make it much easier to go about without idiot strangers trying to touch you.
I never really heard this (I was born in 1970.) I don't recall what my mother wore while pregnant with my sister--I was 3. But I had all four of my kids during the 90's and even then, I had a very hard time finding maternity clothes that didn't look like they were made for a toddler. Bows and ruffles galore! As a six foot tall woman, I didn't want to be dressed like some frilly confection. I'm eagerly awaiting grandchildren, and think it's so cool that now maternity clothes look like regular clothes with a little extra room.
I’ve never really heard this. Must be a regional or personal thing. And vintage 20th century maternity clothing was often just loose or with pieces that gave them the ability to grow along with the women. I’ve got lots of pictures of my grandmas, aunts, great aunts, etc very pregnant not hidden at all. Perhaps they just didn’t wear “bump hugging” clothes as much as women do now
Something I definitely would recommend looking at because it's just Fantastic. Is princess buttercups red dress from Princess Bride. The bare bones of the pattern is almost exactly like my grandmother's summer house dress that's probably 50 years old. With minor changes it can work for nearly any century, including the modern day.
Thanks for the suggestion! 😊
This was very interesting, especially the bit about the pins. I can't imagine what a chocking hazard this would have been for babies.
Thank you! That’s a very good point! I’m guessing though that babies had all sorts of potential hazards since infant mortality was extremely high historically. Probably pins was a more minimal worry.
as someone who sews with 2 healthy children, I've never had issue with my babies swallowing pins- they get put in a pincushion or a container and are kept out of children's reach. In modern settings It's more likely that my child would find it in the carpet and it stabs their feet. We also have remember most people had wood, tile or earthen floors and such pins are easier to spot on these flooring types . With what I DO know about health sanitation and other things about history would be more concerned with: drowning, falls , choking, accidental smothering and diseases than pins around small children..
During the timeframe where women would have used pins to daily close their clothes, pins were expensive and labor intensive. A woman would have kept tabs on where they were and taken care to store them in a secure place.
@@deborahwilliams349 very true. Pins would have been precious
I give Kass McGann an applause. This was incredibly informative, interesting and insightful.
What does "extremely gendered" refer to? I am absolutely baffled. Can one be "extremely gendered"? Nothing comes up in Google when I type that in..... ?
my current favourite pieces in my wardrobe were marketed as sustainably made maternity wear, and due to how they're made they're perfect pregnant and loose or not pregnant and with a belt or pair of (particularly pretty) stays on top!
That’s so awesome! I’m constantly impressed by how versatile some maternity wear can be.
This was great, thank you! I have made an early medieval dress for Viking age living history. The gores pretty much start under my armpits and it is huge around the waist. I have had two kids and I made the dress this way without another pregnancy in mind. Just because it would accommodate every stage of a women's changing body and that is great to show to the visitors at the museums.
Ahhh this amazing! And I totally agree with your thinking. It's great to have garments that can be go-to's no matter how the body decides to change 😊
I fell in love with fashion history when I was 12 and my parents bought a set of World Book encyclopedias. When I discovered the entry about fashion history I would pour over the the illustrations of the various kinds of women’s and men’s throughout history and then invent and draw my own takes on the prevailing fashions at any given time.
This visit with your excellent fashion historian was so informative. When I think of pregnancy clothing from around 1830 until the 1980’s I think of the smocks and Mother Hubbard dresses that my mom and many other ladies that I knew wore. When I got pregnant with my son in 1988 fashion was turning away from tent like fashions to more fitted maternity clothes. It was definitely a welcome change because wearing the equivalent of a circus tent was not a flattering look on any woman. I and most of my friends who were pregnant during this transitional period of time were already dealing with a rapidly changing silhouette, and the last thing we needed was to feel frumpy on top of being pregnant. Thank goodness that the sky’s the limit in terms of pregnancy fashions now rather than there being only one way to dress AND be comfortable during those nine months!
Thank you so much! I definitely agree that it’s such a blessing there are many maternity options now and that it doesn’t just have to be loose fitting garments. Also that pregnancy isn’t something needing to be hidden anymore is a big help, because many can now wear tighter fitting maternity clothes that they perhaps feel more comfortable in and still be accepted in society overall. It’s great progress.
I am enjoying the "500 Years of..." series and look forward to the next installment!
Thank you! The next one is going to be a fun one 😁
This was so interesting. I loved the expression "professional complainers", they are definitely still around! Women have it so much easier now, it is just unbelievable how closeted women were in their houses in previous centuries
Glad you enjoyed the video! 😊 Women definitely have it much easier now (generally speaking as I’m sure there are places where women have it far worse or just as bad as historically). Even with that being said though, there is still so much work to be done for women’s rights.
I've been wondering about this since I heard of maternity corset (which apparently only started to be a thing from the 1870s on?). Anyway this is such a thorough exploration of the history behind it, I'll take a look on it time and again if I need it 😺😉
Extremely gendered language? What does that even mean… lol
As in I don’t believe just women can get pregnant, but because we’re speaking about a Christian society hundreds of years ago, the language is very binary.
I enjoyed this video very much. Talking about women not going in public. If you were
Pregnant. When Queen Elizabeth II had her 25th anniversary on the thrown. Princess Anne was pregnant. All the reports on tv. We’re wondering out loud. If we would see Princess Anne. Would she would come out in public. Because she was pregnant. The reports were so excited when she did come out with the rest of the royal family.
Thanks for watching! How interesting!
Very facinating, and it makes total sense that ones everyday clothing would also be maternety wear! Especially with how many pregnancies people in the past went through
Thanks Lilja! And yes absolutely, especially considering how much time it used to take just to make one dress. Very few would have had the time to have separate maternity specific garments so they’d need sort of a Swiss army knife of garments that would be perfect for anything life could throw at you haha.
Haha Yes a swiss army knife of garments is a perfect analogy 😂
@@LiljaHusmo hahaha thank you, I feel proud of that one 😂
They really didn’t go through *that many pregnancies- more couples had children than today but miscarriages, deadly pregnancy and birth complications, childbed fever, etc were so common that it wasn’t something they avg gal did that often tbh. Wealthier women who had access to proper nutrition and doctors had larger families- that’s why there’s so many queens and princess that had a lot of children, they also didn’t have to work and had more time on their hands. Birth rates actually increased in the early to mid 20th century during times of medical revolution.
What a fascinating video. I was glued to the screen.
That was very interesting; not what I was expecting but so much better! Thank you, ladies!
Thank you for watching 😊
My grandma, born 1920, referred to casual dresses as wrappers. This would be anything she would wear at home, in the yard, even the front porch. But not one step out of the yard. As in i cant go to the store with you untill i change out of this! Its just a wrapper!
At around 32:00, Ms McGann mentions how a pregnant woman as compared often to a pregnant horse and it was scandalous if they went outdoors whilst pregnant and you reply 'how sad' made me think of what I often say. One can't judge other people's actions with today's mentality. Today we would think it's sad, however, back then, it was normal thinking. Just like in 100 years from now, the people living might think of us as weird or even nuts, in the way we think. I absolutely loved this video and learned so much. Thank you for creating it and all the information you gave us. Thanks from Canada
I wear 18th C back-lacing stays. I dress myself. If you can clasp your hands behind your waist, It is not a big deal to pull cord any more than it is to tie an apron behind your waist. Modern corset wearers do not need servants to get dressed either. Leave the stays laced but LOOOSE. Put it on over your head, pull cord. Tie bow. Done. I live alone in 21st and 18th Centuries.
I agree, same here as all my daily wear corsets/stays are back lacing too 😊
I'm pregnant and don't want to spend money on a maternity wardrobe. So I have muslin on the way to make a shift, possibly 2 or 3, for everyday wear, and an over dress that will wind break well in the winter. I decided on regency dresses because I KNEW those would fit (and got a great deal on an authentic pattern) but was curious so I found you! It's fascinating. Mind I hate modern conventional fashion but I apparently ADORE historical fashion.
Congrats on the pregnancy! Regency dresses were a great call, super accommodating for pregnancy as you say 😊 Historical fashion has many convenient elements and can be very sustainable, so I don't blame you for loving it!
That sounds beautiful!
I really enjoyed this video. Historical women's fashion has always fascinated me.
What a wonderful, educational video. I loved it. I am fascinated by Victorian dress and times.
Don't apology for speaking to people about women's history.
I’m not apologising, I’m simply stating that not all people who experience pregnancy are women and I want to make sure everyone is included, but that this video specifically focuses on a time and place where there were strong gender constructs (and a very binary time and place).
5:25 I wonder if the clothes that had a smaller waist were for teens. At what age did women consider having children? I wonder if they could modify their teen garments for their “child bearing” years or if they worked on making new garments while they were young and just gave their old clothes to their younger siblings. Those garments with the small waist are so interesting! They make me think about family dynamics and how a young woman might make her new big girl shift and kirtle with her mom. The finger pricks, the laughs, getting annoyed at her mom for demonstrating a stitch too fast.
Hello: Sorry I am so late to the party...lol. I just discovered this video. It was very interesting a well done. Thank you. I had hoped that the time period would go to the end of the 1900's . My own pregnancies were in the 1980's and 90.s It always made me laugh at that time that for some reason society felt that women carrying a baby should also dress like a baby. For reference, refer to Princess Diana and Sarah, Duchess of York. Everything I owned had ducky buttons or cotton candy stripes, big lacy collars, sailor styles or pastel overalls. All of which would have looked delightful on a 2 year old. Anyone else remember this or have any explanation for it?
Thanks so much for watching! Gosh, that sounds so absolutely infantilising, how awful that was the acceptable maternity fashion in the 1980s and 90s. I’m really grateful there are so many more maternity fashion options now, even if that means wearing more historical styles from a couple hundred years ago and altering them into a more modern lens.
My mom was pregnant with me in 1984 and she explains that pregnant people then wore large billowy things to hide their pregnancy. She was kind of shocked that I wanted to wear dresses that showed my bump.
I am pregnant with twins and the clothing that is working best for me, which I wore when not pregnant, are a couple of Regency style dresses with adjustable drawstrings. I'm finding in general that accommodating the boob expansion is harder than accommodating the waist expansion.
Congratulations! 🥰
Congratulations on your twins. Twin mama here, twice over. Best wishes and prayers, your body and babes have got this! >
The boob expansion is much harder to deal with, after giving birth to twins 3 months ago my waist is back to a fairly normal size but my old dresses still don't fit over all that milk 🤣
I just watched a video about the Chinese tradition of seclusion post pregnancy. Included was the tradition of wrapping the abdomen post vaginal birth to help support the body shrinking back into position. Anything from probably all the way back to stays, offered that same support post delivery. I wonder at the long term health problems modern birth parents have over time because of this lack of support.
actually, i'm a student midwife and it's been a passion of mine to research belly supports in pregnancy and the postpartum, so i can elucidate a bit on what i've found out. yes, especially post-surgical birth or in cases where the abdominal muscles ended up separating over the growing uterus, there can be some complications caused by the lack of support. i personally believe the occasional incontinence often attributed to a weak pelvic floor is actually the unsupported uterus leaning into the bladder, as an example. this is a symptom frequently shared by people who have fibroids on the anterior side of the uterus pressing into the bladder. evidence shows that things like kegels do help, but there isn't as much clinical research on the utility of belly supports to compare results. most of what i've found is ethnographic or historical. mexica and other indigenous folks from the region of mexico have a cerrando a las caderas ceremony, or a closing of the hips that involves binding the broad bones of the pelvis together after la cuarentena, or period of isolation following the birth. this supports the cartilege that binds the pubic bones together while it heals as well as the organs/abdominal muscles.
@@ma-ri-ko yooo exactly what I was imagining. Small world so happy you commented!
Wait! Did you just apologise for recognising gender?
I've never heard anything so darn sad in my life - apologising for recognising two genders - what the hell has this freak show of a world come to 🤦🏼♀️
There are more than two genders, always has been. Look to many Indigenous and non-Christian societies historically and the facts are all there. 2 genders is an extremely modern construct, and one heavily created by modern day Christianity. (Not to mention, inter-sex people exist and always have). Because we focus in this video on a heavily Christian part of the world and during a time and place where gender was not spoken about outside of the binary, I give the heads up. It’s not to apologise, it’s to ensure that people who don’t fit into the social construct of the gender binary still feel included in the conversation because this is a safe space for all genders and sexualities. What this isn’t a safe space for is transphobia. I greatly recommend you read up about the gender constructs of Indigenous and non-Christian societies historically, for instance reading up about two-spirit people. Have a nice day!
@@VBirchwood GENDER is a cultural and linguistic construct. It is not the same as sex. There are only two biological sexes, female and male...sex is binary. Gender is made up.
@@femalism1715 Did you completely forget about intersex people? Around 1.7% of the population is born with intersex traits.
I almost didn't want to click on this to watch because other such videos spanning such large chunks of time have been...tedious. V. and Kass...y'all did a fantastic job with this topic over such a span of time! I'm very much looking forward to any next installment! I also had some "dots connect" on the idea that the more fabric in one's ensemble symbolized one's wealth. The next time I see a scantily clad female I might charitibly comment, "Well, bless your heart, honey. I'm so sorry about your financial misfortunes." ...and hand her a dollar or two. 😂
Thanks for giving the video a shot anyways, even if your first instinct was not to click on it! 😊
HAHAHAHA! Oh precious! Make sure I'm there when you do that, Bonnie!
@@kassistwisted ....I made a Facebook post and shared that idea with friends. lol ...might be several of us doing this. 😁
While I understand and on some level can appreciate your joke as someone who dresses more modestly in day to day life, I would remind you that it is a miracle that women can wear whatever they want today. That freedom of choice is something we should celebrate. Also, someone “scantily clad” today could very easily be wearing something more costly than someone more covered up depending on the fabric and label worn.
I learned so much from watching this video, my mind was blown. Thank you for sharing this knowledge with us.
Thank you for watching! 🥰
The discussion about women being confined for the end of pregnancy should be clearer that it is limited to only women of wealth, even before the Victorian period. Women who didn't have wealth continued to work in a normal way until their baby was born. And the idea of the 'Perfect Lady' is mostly a myth. It's something the media of the time talked about and people would aspire to but wasn't real.
I believe Kass does mention multiple times throughout the video that this specifically applies to people of wealth, as she explains how working women still had to work and there was a massive class divide. And yes, the “perfect lady” isn’t a real thing, but certainly the Victorians had their own ideals about what a women was expected to be like, and plenty of women’s guides etc show us this. Even today, in many places women are expected to be a certain way. Additionally, it would be far too difficult to fit every single possible nuance into this relatively short video. It’s just a general overview of concepts around 500 years of maternity clothing.
You did make it clear that the working class women worked while pregnant! Don’t know how they missed it!🦋
When I clicked on this video I did so because I was curious and had no intention of watching the entire thing. But here I am 40 minutes later wondering why the video ended.
This was so informative and interesting. Thanks for doing this and I look forward to seeing more.
that’s such a compliment! Thank you so much 😊
Can you do a 20th century materity clothing video throughout the decades? Would be cool!
My grandmother, a life long seamstress (specifically was known for her historically accurate costumes for our theater) would’ve appreciated this type of content had it been around earlier so thank you for these educational videos. I do have to say comparing our modern perceptions of life (what we deem right and wrong) to early times is unfair if not ignorant. We have so many more luxuries and conveniences today than women ever have had so of course it seems horrific if not barbaric to imagine a pregnant woman in the Victorian era forced to stay home but I love that the expert on here quickly reminds us of the differences of then to today and why. It’s easy to criticize history or what was practiced during a point in time. There are parts of history that will always remain egregious and inhumane but we weren’t there, our ancestors were and I appreciate this expert and the facts and points she brings. Especially with the point made on how long it took to sew a man’s garment/shirt and why women often wore the style of dress they wore with the waist and that was to accommodate pregnancy. Absolutely makes sense
This was excellent and I'm so looking forward to further 500 year episodes. I love Kass's enthusiasm and knowledge. You make a great pair!
Thanks so much Jane! 😊
I absolutely love history so I really enjoyed this video ❤
לא צריך להתבייש במילה 'אשה'. על זה נלחמנו המון שנים. פרוגרסיבים יקרים: לא נוותר על נוכחות ה : אשה !!!
Thanks for sharing that amazing knowledge, that's so interesting!
This was such an interesting video. I could have listened to these two ladies all day. Fascinating information and years of education and research here!
Thank you so much for watching! 😊
I learned so much stuff in this, both about the topic, but a lot more also about things I didn't have thought of before
Ah this is brilliant to hear! Thanks for letting me know 😊
The real reason why modern women say things like "I don't have the right body for 1920s clothing" isn't because they believe that only ideal body shapes existed at the time, but that some historical fashions only appeal to modern sensibilities if worn on a very specific body type. No matter how much someone is into historical fashion, they are still being influenced by modern beauty standards.
"ExTrEmElY gEnDeReD lAnGuAgE" are you kidding? When talking about women's bodies? The US is so nuts
I’m not in the US 🙃 have a nice day!
Hi! Such an educational video, thank you both so much for that! You did mention nursing for a few seconds in the 1770s, but I was wondering if you could explain it a bit more for me. How would the clothing work to nurse the child in the 1770-1780s? I would think that the corset would make it a bit hard even with the different lacing ways. Thank you!
Thanks so much! I’m glad you enjoyed the video 😊 in the 1770s and 80s they were still wearing stays and the front edge of the stays generally comes up to the nipples. Because of that the bust sits quite high up and would be very easy just to remove from the stays by pulling upwards. There’s a RUclips/Instagram channel called Katherine Sewing who has done a lot of content on pregnancy and stays/corsets through first hand experience actually, and on her Instagram she has a demonstration of breastfeeding in a corset, and the height of where the corset meets the breasts is the same as with the stays so it wouldn’t be much different. Hopefully that clarifies it a bit!
@@VBirchwood Thank you!
Love this, thank you ladies.
25:00 In fairness, horseback riding is still one of the things they specifically tell you not to do during pregnancy, because pregnancy messes up your balance some, and a fall is dangerous to both mother and baby. (And I imagine that jouncing up and down with a full bump would be just plain uncomfortable.) The other arguments wouldn't fly today, but there's some truth to that one.
Fun fact about Stubbs’ Anatomy of Abuses: The author, Philip Stubbs, wrote a pamphlet criticizing Queen Elizabeth and when she was considering marrying the Duke of Anjou. For his pains, Queen Elizabeth cut off Mr. Stubbs right hand.
Wow, very interesting. Pretty brutal punishment, but I guess you don’t mess with Queen Elizabeth.
Me: 6 months pregnant watching this in my mens sweatpants and oversized tshirt. 🤔🧐
Eyeroll on the disclaimers🙄
Don’t watch the channel then 🥰 have a nice day!
Such a freaking good video!
Thank you thank you!
I’ve been so curious about maternity fashion I. History and this showed up and was just what I needed
Thanks so much for watching Nicole! 😊
"gender language"
What women get pregnant 😂😂
Fantastic video. Can’t wait for the next one.
Thank you! I’m happy to say that the next episode is coming quite soon after quite a delay 🥰
🤯🤯🤯This filled in so many blanks for me, THANK YOU! What an awesome video! I wonder if there is a connection at all between the stomacher/Mantua and certain Norwegian folk costume? I know that upper class fashion trickled down into the common folk slowly, and I know that the upper classes throughout Europe were more connected and aware of foreign trends...but I wonder if continental Europe had that much possible influence on Scandinavian fashions.
I’m so glad it was helpful! The stomacher and Norwegian fashion potential connection sounds interesting. I can ask my friend that knows a lot about Norwegian fashion and perhaps she’d have an answer 😊
@@VBirchwood I'd love to hear about any connections/evolutions, or if those styles evolved independently.
So I spoke with my friend and she mentioned that Norwegian fashions were influenced by whatever European fashions were popular with the local customs applied. The Norwegian clothing from 18th-19th century known as folk clothing was designed to be easily alterable, so some bunads may have had a loose stomacher to make that purpose easier.
Excellent video packed with info, thank you! It was the clearest, best explanation for lacing through time and why buttons for women were a flex!
Ah thanks so much Skirted Galleons! I always really enjoy reading your comments 😊 (And buttons really were a flex!)
this is an absolutely fascinating video thank you so much
Thanks for watching! So glad you enjoyed it 😊
What an excellent video. Well presented without a lot of extraneous faff. I learned a lot. I will subscribe to this channel.
I've done a lot of research (writing a novel set in 1886 in rural USA) and discovered the 'mother hubbard' kind of garment. As a workaday garment, this seemed to serve the pregnancy purpose well. It could be tied at the waist when not pregnant, or above the waist during early pregnancy, or just left hanging loose, which meant a woman could go through the entire period of pregnancy in this one garment. It was usually gathered above the bust, so everything was accomodated, including enlarged breasts. However, it was not usually a style that was worn outside the home.
I have an excellent copy of Dover's reprint of Metropolitan Fashions of the 1880s (from the 1885 Butterick Catalog) that clearly illustrates several types of dresses that could easily be used as maternity garments, including a couple of very obvious 'blouse dresses' with separate bodice and skirt. It also shows long one-piece 'wrappers' and other pleated garments shown with sashes-often claimed to be 'house dresses' as well. This catalog was intended for women to order patterns from, for home sewing, I assume these kinds of designs would have been quite popular.
Another Dover reprint, Bloomingdale's Illustrated 1886 Catalog (Fashions, Dry Goods and Housewares) is useful for research and also shows many patterns, including Mother Hubbards, that could be used for pregancy.
Thanks so much! 🥰 glad you enjoyed it!
*mind blown* I've been curious about this topic for the longest time.
It’s so fascinating right?! I’m glad potentially Kass has answered some of your questions 😊
Thank you for this video! it was very interesting to learn about it.
My pleasure! I’m glad it was so interesting 😊
23:00 Ahh, yes... men assuming that a woman's primary function is to look attractive to them at all times. How little things have changed.
So true lol 😂
Ministers= professional complainers 🤣
Thank you so much for this content! I am exceedingly glad to have this pop up on my suggestions!
Liked, & about to subscribe & share!
08:55 Central Daylight Savings Time
(GMT-5) Monday 12 September, 2022
Thanks for watching! 🥰
I'm so sad that we went from clothing that a woman could still wear she was pregnant or loosing weight to having to unbutton our jeans to eat lunch :(
This was really cool overall and a topic that gets asked a lot but not covered much. Also, I am a beginning sewist and Kass's patterns have helped ease me into making garments. Thanks to you both!
Ah that's so wonderful to hear! I'm a fan of Kass' patterns as well 😊 Thanks so much for watching and for your comment!
“Wet nurses” have been a thing for a long time but breastfeeding has gone back and forth in popularity. Was breastfeeding at a particularly low ebb during the Victorian era? If the clothing and culture didn’t accommodate for pregnancy it probably didn’t favor nursing either.
Breastfeeding garments and corsets existed and were often combined with maternity garments. I’ve seen many examples from the 19th century. Speaking on the Victorian era, bf was uncommon, obvs one reason was that it required the breast to out- but also it was difficult to produce milk bc of poor nutrition and other factors. It was also dangerous bc of infections and the inability to treat them. Wealthy women used wet nurses and milk supplements. Poorer women had to make do and sometimes breastfed. But many babies (and moms) died for many reasons.
Hello!
I live in Sweden and I love historical gowns.
My dream is to open a museum with historical gowns but my
father says that Sweden is too small for that kind of project.
maybe try doing a marketing survey to assess the interest in historical clothing. Also maybe adding other subjects for example ancient Swedish ? Scandinavian? textiles, household items such as sewing, crafting, leisure- games, toys, etc. to broaden museum idea to include more than just one "dresses"theme... And check statistics of tourism in your beautiful country!
Kass is an amazingly knowledgeable person. Thanks for the super interesting video.
Pregnant person, really?
Yeah, women have babies. It's still the same today.
This is just fascinating
My Aunt who was born in 1925 was totally disapproving of anything resembling a SMOCK in the 1970s on up because they looked like Maternity Smocks from the 50's.
I have an actual Maternity Smock that was my mom's (from the mid 50's) made by HANES. Yes, HANES produced a specific Maternity line. My jaw dropped and my eyes bugged open when I saw the label 😮