As a member of SKAT (Skye Bridge campaigner) I fought for years against PFI and privatisation. That included the privatisation of the NHS and other vital public services. I have followed Allison for many years. Thankyou Allison. Tom McAllister. for ref ....George Monbiot's "Captive State" Chapter two, "The Corporate Takeover of the NHS".
My doctor referred me for an ultrasound scan last week. This morning when I set off to the hospital I was shocked to see the address showed an industrial estate. Long story short, they have sold of the ultrasound department and it’s now ran from an office block on an industrial estate. Some people are making a tidy cut from our taxes for a department which needs zero external commercial intervention. Welcome to the United States of Great Britain.
You'll often here talk of "efficiecy". People will argue that these small private firms can do the job more efficiently. In isolation that might (or not) be correct. What they don't talk about though is continuity of care. Does it matter if my scan was done much quicker if when I return to the hospital they don't even have a copy of it? That's what happened to my wife and my experience of bouncing around these little private bodies. The continuity of care degrades and the failure demand in the system increases. This setup nearly cost my wife her life.
Now we've moved into the final stages. Let's see how this "massive" US trade deal fairs for the British people, we might aswell have voted for the workhouse.
If the NHS is saved most won't notice..but if it is privatised everyone will and it will be too late. They'll just wail how did this happen whilst being proud lifelongTory voters
I'm sharing this with my American friends. They need to see how far insurance companies will go to destroy any competition. They do not care about peoples health, only profits.
Cos it's factually incorrect? I jest. I is factually incorrect, and economically illiterate (Keynesian, I presume), but the reason is because Rihanna exists, and is more interesting than this matter.
The US pays literally double that of the most expensive European country for its "health service". It's there to make money, and that is why it's so inefficient. However, one good thing that might come out of the current coronavirus crisis is that there is now more focus on the NHS than ever. IF the government persist in selling off the NHS there may well be a revolution. Those MPs supporting a US system of ripping off the public would be hanged from lamposts.
My local surgery is privately owned. The doctors and nurses are employed by the company setup by the owner. They normally have only 2 doctors for 15000 patients when there should be 6 doctors or more. I do assume that the surgery is paid an annual amount by the NHS and by employing 6 doctors the owner would need to pay out more so at times only 2 are employed which means he pockets more. if anyone wants a flu jab, blood test, INR test, Asthma checkup, Diabetic checkup and other checkups that the surgey gets paid extra for there is no waiting time. If you are ill and want to see a doctor, 2 to 3 weeks is normal and quite often the receptionist will ask why you want to see a doctor and quite often will refuse your request and direct you to a nurse, nurses are cheaper than doctors and my surgery employs plenty of nurses. Things only make sense when you look at it as a private concern.
Jeremy Hunt has blood on his hands. I hope everyone who watches this writes to there MP & fights to support our junior Doctors & your local GP's, it is a disgrace that so many caring Doctors & nurses are the only reason the NHS is keeping afloat, while administrators end up colluding with the corporates & then dictating to the people who are in a vocation. I feel so sorry for all the Doctors & Nurses who genuinely care. Look what happened to Dr David Kelly, Harrowdown Hill" is where Doctor David Kelly was found dead, it was by no means suicide, the etymology of the name Harrowdown comes from term Temple, many secret temple rituals are held within these corporate eyes wide shut groups & there is always a sacrificial tree, which is exactly where Dr Kelly was found laying dead within the circular spinney. Furthermore Chomsky said that it isn't just about stripping a social structure, it is an agenda to destroy solidarity, he went on to say, we all need to be the resistance. Corporate cannibals are no less than murder incorporated, they are psychopaths with no social intelligence & when you look at the off shore funds hidden on the Cayman islands alone is over 13 TRILLION STERLING. Please campaign at Change.org & 38degrees & please spread the word. Have a look on 38 degrees RUclips page too, thank you. Show less
We're seeing some of this in Canada too. I'll never forget being interviewed by a GP that turned me down flat because I suffer from depression and wanted to be checked for diabetes. He treated me like a criminal. I'll never forget how that felt.
A MUST watch for those that believe in the NHS. Privatisation of the NHS: Allyson Pollock: Allyson Pollock is Professor of Public Health Research & Policy at Queen Mary, University of London. She is one of the UK's leading medical intellectuals, and undertakes research and teaching. #YouDecide2014 #IndyRef #YouYesYet ?
Anyone who voted conservative or didn't vote for labour because of Corbyn needs to take note of this. Learn from the mistakes your making so future generations don't have to pay for them.
We need to save our NHS, fight privatization, you me and everyone who uses it, I beg you to take a stand, don't let anyone take away what our fore fathers have fought long and hard for, you don't know what you have until it's gone, think about that.
Perhaps you misunderstand me. Surely those setting targets should be a health team and the patient they treat... Isn't the supposed to be a contractual relationship?
Sorry dear Matthew, I meant no offense to anyone and there is no misunderstanding. Is just my personal point of view upon the relation in the NHS today,
Matthew Hayden There's a fundamental conflict here that makes the idea that the patient is a 'customer contracting services' totally inappropriate, naive, and, quite frankly, bullshit. e.g. USA: You go to your doc for a check up. He makes money out of that. He tells you you're ill and need a scan. He makes more money out of that than saying you are well. He says, in fact, you'd better have a bunch of tests too, 'just to be sure'. He makes more money the more tests he asks for. He says you could have the normal way of doing it but you could have new and much more expensive treatment X. He makes more money out of that, as do his buddies who make expensive treatment X who give him discounts for recruiting patients. You go home better and hope you can stay well enough over the the next 5 years to pay off the treatment. You, as the patient, have no way of telling whether any of this is the truth or not; and the Doctor has all sorts of incentives to give you bad advice. Well known examples of unnecessary, dangerous, over-used and expensive tests - CT Scans; and 'new and expensive but no more effective' treatments - robotic surgery. UK: You go to your doc for a check up. He gets paid to do that already. He says you're ill and need a scan. He doesn't make money of that. He says, but you don't need all these other tests because this one is risky and that one would expose you unnecessarily to ionizing radiation. He doesn't get paid for that because he's been paid already. He says, well there is this expensive treatment, but actually this cheap one is just as good, so let's use that one. He saves money which allows more people to be treated for the same cost and is thus much more efficient. You go home better in the same financial state as before and if you're unlucky and get ill again you don't need to worry. This is *precisely* how the US system is exploitative; why it is so expensive; and why it is also less effective, and why patients cannot be treated like informed consumers. And why any other country would be completely insane to follow the US system. Which is what the video is about.
If you love the NHS you must watch this. If you have ever needed a Doctor, been in hospital, know someone who needed hospital treatment, you must watch this. If you live in Scotland, vote No and we are next. Vote Yes and save your NHS. As importantly if you live anywhere in the UK and love your NHS you must watch this. Then take action.
ichigo199 Simply not true. Scottish votes have only twice influenced who was in power in the UK since world war II. Also it would be extremely arrogant to stay in the UK to force a Labour administration onto the rUK when the majority there voted Tory. Finally if the rUK does not want a Tory govt, they don't need to vote Tory. Scots shouldn't stay in the Union because of pity for the rUK, the rUK needs to stand on their own two feet and accept the political choices they make.
ichigo199 My big hope is that with a Yes vote, Scotland will lead the way for the rUK nations to take back their democracy and we can all build together a more equal set of island nations for the people and not the elites. A No vote will just endorse the failure that the UK has become and show Westminster and the Lords that they can do what they want and no-one will stand against them.
I agree. I’m English, and I think that the Scots should go simply to have a chance to stop the insane far-right commodification of life in Britain. Now, Scotland will face its own problems and share of corrupt politicians. There will be neoliberals who need to be stopped. However, as a separate nation you may be able to combat the stampede to the right in a way which you simply will not in a UK with a corporate owned government.
Thank you for this lecture Allyson it has made clear how the government has privatised the NHS through the back door which us nurses have always suspected. Very sad but this has given me hope. I will not give up on the NHS despite all the marketing from the various nurse agencies. Never give up, never judge provide care based on clinical need not a cost benefit analysis for every patient. Brentwood ICT are aware of this and will continue.
This is exactly one of the reasons why I am voting Yes for Scotland's independence from a government in Westminster which privatises EVERYTHING. Gas, Electric, Railways, National grid, Water, Telephone, Post office, Oil, British Airways and now the National Health Service. Of course its all worked out great I am sure we are all paying lower energy bills, train tickets, stamps & parcels, Petrol! Oh I forgot we're NOT, they are all more expensive now than ever before. Soon though Scotland will re-nationalise some of those and add them to our Free prescriptions, No tuition fees, No bridge tolls, public owned water & NHS. Only if we vote Yes though people :)
its free prescriptions and wage increases in Scotland along with using the most expensive drugs that caused some of this, they demanded prescription to be free in Scotland then voted for Englands to rise, so England pay more and Scotland nothing, when if everyone paid in we could all pay 80% less on every prescription. . Learn some facts before talking foolish words.
you are independent and abusing Englands services and not paying in, NHS wages raised to insane levels free haleth prescriptions, woke funding and you abused the prescription drugs costs for trans treatment that cost zero unless you live in England which pays all prescription drug charges and they get lower nurse wages and closed down because they cant afford to cover Scotland. Get Scottish independce you would have no NHS or free prescriptions, no british airways because you depend on England trade and would have to make your own NHS which wouldnt give you free prescriptions, but it would make our NHS costs go down. You dont get it do you, you have no idea what happened do you?
Well said thank you. If we want to save our NHS in Scotland from London's destruction we must get home rule. So please everyone come out in force rise up against this and vote SNP
The US System is truly awful and should not be copied by anyone or anything - horrendously expensive, extremely ineffective, unbelievably amoral with no-one held to account. There's only one reason why this has happened - to make the rich richer.
I live in America where corrupt politicians and Ceos do not care about whether people get good affordable health care or not. I pray the NHS is not destroyed for profit and hope they dont bring in American style greedy for profit insurance companies into the UK healthcare system.
By no way is the NHS ‘perfect’ but and I don’t care who runs the NHS, whether that be government or a private organisation, but as long as it’s ‘free’ and ‘affordable’ Unfortunately the reason I don’t agree with the US system is because I don’t believe people should have to ‘pay’ for a basic human right, especially to insurance companies. Also its funny how no one ever questions why the fire brigade isn’t set up in the same way, why don’t you have a privatised fire insurance?
@@dans3955 said, ".....funny how no one ever questions why the fire brigade isn’t set up in the same way, why don’t you have a privatised fire insurance?..." I do believe that actually used to be the case at on point in history :)
@@WhoAmEye_WhoAreEwe Yep, saw a video explaining it not too long back. Was interesting to see. You had to have a fire mark on your building or they wouldn't prioritise you.
Aye, I respect Allyson and I'll thank her for investigating a PFI scam which I was deeply involved in campaigning against for nearly nine years, namely the Skye Toll bridge PFI scam. I subsequently was involved in exposing the Commercial Confidential details of Hospital PFI contracts*. Read George Monbiot's "Captive State".
I just fell on this video while right at the moment the NHS bill for privatisation is going through parliament. Privatising the NHS is a catastrophic decision. Instead of funding a restructuring of the system, profitability has been the Tories' main goal, this will leave a large part of the British population on the side of the road, many will no longer have access to some exorbitantly expensive care and drugs. A two-tier medical system. For decades, we have observed this phenomenon in the USA a non-welfare state. But of course, the Tories have nothing to worry about, they will always have the means to be pampered.
Life is short, choices are stark. bigoted beliefs cancel real truths, lies and corruption prevail, but with truth, real truth, we, the enlightened will prevail. One very, very brave woman. Hopefully she will stay safe
61 million in america uninsured doesn't mean that 61 million don't have healthcare! They can use the state hospitals or pay for each treatment individually (which is often cheaper)
Thanks to the Canary for this information •206 parliamentarians have recent or present financial private healthcare connections. •142 Lords have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare. •124 Peers benefit from the financial services sector. •1 in 4 Conservative Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare. •1 in 6 Labour Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare. •1 in 6 Crossbench Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare. •1 in 10 Liberal Democrat Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare. •64 MPs have recent or present financial links to companies involved in private healthcare. •79% of these are Conservative.
They voted against devolution,they manipulated the votes in 2014,and they told you take your country back,with a big lie on a red bus. Britain/England.!!
My husband would be dead several times over if it weren't for the #NHS. (Serious road traffic accident, cancer, third degree burns) I would be dead too. (Cancer, diabetes) My Mam would be dead (cancer, heart condition, diabetes) My brother would be dead (diabetes) My dad would have been dead far younger (cancer, diabetes, heart condition) Aunts, uncles, cousins, family, friends, neighbours...all saved at some point by the #NHS...it's very precious and vital. Support junior doctors in the upcoming all out strike.
Likewise. Serious heart attack, tain stroke, major operation, plastic spare parts and on medication for the rest of my life. Two years ago I was diagnosed with High Grade Lymphoma Cancer, surgery and tumours debulked. Followed by Chemo and Radio Therapy.
My mum, who's in her early fifties, suffered with a severe curvature in her spine caused by scoliosis for many years of her life. She eventually had an operation, funded by the NHS, which corrected the curvature in her spine and saved her from all the pain and discomfort she had been experiencing over the years - it also saved her walking. If it weren't for the NHS, she'd now be confined in a wheelchair, only able to move her arms and head. The only way we can save our ever-increasingly privatised NHS is to vote Corbyn/Labour in 2020.
It's fallacious to say the NHS is the sole institution that prevented you and your family from death as this implies no NHS = no healthcare provision. In reality it is just as likely your death would have been averted through healthcare provided by private producers, should the NHS not have existed.
+MrCrippsy99 you are wrong. My whole family and I, in fact my whole community come from working classes and would not be able to afford private healthcare. Going by the American healthcare system where there is free treatment for the most impoverished...does not in any way equal the care and treatment provided by the NHS. Delays, lack of specialism and refusal of certain procedures on these healthcare plans are a poor second, nay third to our valuable national health system.
+MrCrippsy99 you are wrong. My whole family and I, in fact my whole community come from working classes and would not be able to afford private healthcare. Going by the American healthcare system where there is free treatment for the most impoverished...does not in any way equal the care and treatment provided by the NHS. Delays, lack of specialism and refusal of certain procedures on these healthcare plans are a poor second, nay third to our valuable national health system.
The NHS is a giant tree under which we all shelter. But it has been hollowed out. It is now a shell. But most people just see this shell. Their understanding of the system on which they depend, is confined to their immediate experience, of a service that is free at the point of use. They don't see what has been done to it on the inside by the termites of marketisation and privatization. They don't know it will fall down.
A powerful description of how this unelected government who claimed the NHS would not be interfered with has conspired to rob it for for the fat cats that run multinational health corporations. On a more positive note health workers are currently balloting to strike over 3 years of pay freeze -- low pay makes us more attractive to the private companies who want to steal health services. We are hopefully following the lead of Care UK strikers in Doncaster already privatised who have struck against being reduced to the minimum wage.They know what what commercial delivered services mean -- staff impoverished losing their homes and clients of health services getting poor quality services from low paid untrained staff. I hope to join millions of others on strike this autumn to defend the NHS the 1 thinhg that has made Britain civilised.
Stephen Robson You have been looking at old data. If you read the paper on privatisation in Sweden by Goran Dahlgren you will see why this is a complete disaster. Also have a look at the data from the Commonwealth Fund which places the UK system first in the developed world. I work with US patients, and their system is a car crash. Other countries are being bullied out of their Beverage systems, in return for funding. Nobody has seen a slightest hint of improvement - quite the opposite, as a little bit of common sense would tell you. A private system which has to put (and pay) the bosses and shareholders first by law, and can go crying to lawyers and cite commercial confidentiality at the slightest hint that something is wrong is bound to take billions away from the coal face of actual healthcare. There will be more deaths, and more botched ops The latest privateer firm botched 2/3rds, and some people were irretrevably blinded, but the public will not get to hear about this soon, as we switch completely to private. Our regulaters are too scared of their legal teams (see the latest CQC report on this re care homes - an 80's attempt to show that privatisation works to bring savings, efficiencies and improvements- that panned out well for the public, didn't it??). This is the system we are all (UK and the EU) being harmonised to. Harmonisation is the favourite euphemism of privatisers but it simply means downgraded to the LCD. It is sad so many are unaware, and also unaware of how this will be locked in by TTIP, which is why all European systems are switching over, and have been for some years. Since the UK is first in all categories but one, and did quite well on that one, why do people want to pay money for an inferior system? And we are the CHEAPEST in the developed world!! So much disinformation seems to be circulating.
Stephen Robson You have not explained how we can "forget the USA" when our advisors and theirs are involved in an ever revolving door of opportunity, when we are being harmonised to their model by TTIP, and when all those cosy models in Europe you are talking about are also being Americanised against the wishes of their populations. As for Australia, they have lost their model too, thanks to the Trans Pacific Partnership harmonisation and are actually demonstrating in their thousands. As for your view of the Commonwealth Fund, they took a whole three years to collate their replies from thousand people or so? Might the other years have been to do with the research from the WHO and OECD? Many of the results were determined from findings in Commonwealth Fund surveys undertaken with both patients and clinicians, supplemented by outcomes data from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). I am afraid there is an awful lot of data - have you actually read it? Please tell me all about your up to date data (on what)? I have quoted actual academic papers, is this beyond you? Of course data collected in the last 2 or 3 years (the commonwealth fund data is from 2011 before privatisation really took off) is actually showing the deterioration due to privatisation, so producing it might not be in your best interests. You are the people who promised faithfully you would not reorganise the NHS, who swore that the disabled were exempt from the bedroom tax, and who still expect us to believe we will be so muich better paying lots of money to shareholders against all the statistics and data that independent academics produce. Accusations of scaremongering are your favourite tactics when you know you are in the wrong. The more you accuse, the more we know we are working on the right lines....Reality - the real data on the costs of denationalisation of health systems, trumps your fantasies. Have you seen the data for the increase in corruption for example? The head of NHS privatisation for Peterborough (well that is how residents think of him, despite the fancy title) is a prime example - has he been extradited to Canada for fraud yet yet? I think you need to look at the hard facts, and stop quoting one single solitary Irishman who had obviously had a few too many. You won't meet many people in the UK who have not had a run in with an insurance system - and been refused funding because they forgot to declare a cold when they were two and three quarters, or some such trivial reason. The service and efficiency are superlative - for the boss and the shareholders interests, not the public.
Stephen Robson The UK has lower rates of years of life lost due to road injury, diabetes, liver cancer and chronic kidney disease compared to the western average. The UK now has some of the most stringent anti-tobacco legislation in Europe. And while tobacco-related diseases were the highest cause of death, this could be the result of historical trends rather than current failings in UK healthcare.The use of tobacco peaked after the second world war and did not begin to drop significantly until after the 1970s, so, the high number of deaths we are seeing now could be the result of the smoking habits of teenagers during the 1970s, who went on to be life-long smokers, taking their toll. Hopefully, tobacco-related deaths should begin to significantly fall in the years to come. Alzheimer’s is a disease of ageing, so as life expectancies increase due to improvement in public health, so would rates of Alzheimer’s be expected to increase. It would be lower in countries with lower longevity. Drink and drug abuse’ is ‘pushing Britain down world death table’, and mental and behavioural conditions including substance misuse were a major cause of YLD (years lived with disability) in the UK in 2010. Finally there may be differences in how each country classifies the causes of a death and how a country collects health data, which could affect results. Therer is also a lack of data for some diseases or injuries in particular countries (such as sensory conditions). I have studied the US data on cancer for example, but this is unreliable because people who are uninsured are not actually autopsied to find out the cause of death. I have actually argued that older women should be screened for breast cancer (it mostly occurs in pensioners, despite the headlines to the contrary), but was told it was "too expensive", despite monies being made available to pay the huge PFI debts. Another example of the private sector skewing the system. Mental and behavioural conditions are prevalent in countries with wide inequality gaps - lots of good data available to show on this. No wonder the US and UK came at the bottom, as it tracks their inequality gap ratios. We could continue to argue about how good or bad the NHS is, but that has nothing to do with the costs of privatisation, and how it leaches money from actual healthcare. Please now let me have the data supporting your arguments (I have quoted my sources) and your thinking on how loss of transparency and accountability in a privatised healthcare system will make things safer, (see the CQC on how they are afraid of being sued) plus how paying for shareholders (and managers and company bosses), who are obliged by law to have their interests put before patients, will actually make for a better system given a finite amount of funding. You also have not refuted my arguments on corruption, nor explained your thinking around how CETA and TTIP will affect EU systems. What is wrong with defending the NHS against those who want to put huge chunks of taxpayers money in their own pockets. Can you point to a single privatisation where we the taxpayer, have actually seen a cheaper and better service? Foreign public companies are now raking huge profits from utilities we once owned ourselves, and private companies are a proven sick joke. Where we have got value for money from the sale? As I said, the 80's privatisation of care has been a real triumph. Even the current government admits it is a shambles!!
Privatization of health care is also disenfranchising millions of poor women in the Philippines that is why our activists in the GABRIELA Women's Party is fighting in parliament to try stopping the selling our of our public hospitals!
I'm here in 2020. But don't know what to do to help. I wear a badge saying (Save our NHS - your life may depend on it.) Please let me know what else can I do?
We are letting this happen, we should have been on the streets when they brought the bedroom tax in, and their horrible universal credit. FIGHT THIS. I have recently had experience of the "training" and job search help, nothing but a supply for recruitment agencies. The job center just passes people to these things KNOWING they are rubbish and none have ever hit even their lowest targets. The government gives these things £2000 to get you into ANYTHING. The money tree yet again. FIght
It's astounding the way voters just can't seem to wait to wrest services from those in government who their votes *ought* to hold to account, and instead give those services to corporations that they have no hope of control over at all.
NHS main problem is neither funding nor equipment , it is purely un educated doctors, irresponsible nurses, staff etc. It's the hardest to get appointment and if you get one you go to see a GOOGLE DOCTOR, they google everything and tell you than, do they deserve pay rise ? NO. their licence should be removed. There are countries has much less fund than UK NHS but better service than NHS.
No, the problem is the British ruling class, which has always despised how they were forced to create the NHS by communists and other working class militants, and have endeavored to undermine and destroy it ever since. If/when the workers stop groveling before their oppressors, take matters into their own hands and eliminate these parasites from the equation, the NHS will work like a Swiss fucking watch - mark my words.
Unfortunately the campaign failed and the Lords were defeated so the bill is in full function now. I am writing this in 2019. This is what Labour, followed by the Conservatives and Liberals did to us.
There would be more than enough money to fund schools and hospitals if the average western country didn't have to pay a huge chunk of the tax-take to pay the interest on borrowed currency (created out of thin air!) to 'central' banks (like the Bank "of England" - which is PRIVATELY owned - and the "Federal" Reserve -which is NOT a Federal body but another privately owned bank).
It needs a massive shake up. Now doing far more than it was ever designed to do. How it is done, nobody knows. Which ever government is in power it is a problem that will continue and every effort to modernise and streamline it will be met by opposition.
Nicola, Scotland had a deficit of 12 billion last year, that's including oil revenues. Before set up costs too. We face further cuts under a YES government. A vote YES is a vote for job losses and an underfunded NHS. If Salmond can't take the time to work out all his costs that has to get you thinking... Can Scotland afford it? From what I have seen the answer is a giant No.
Privatisation increases costs, because it adds profit to shareholders. Scotland cannot afford to privatise the NHS and neither can England. As for Independence, Scotland must get away from this profligate, wasteful Tory mentality of flogging off everything to the lowest bidder, and like all western societies , work towards eliminating the budget deficit. Getting rid of Trident and the House of Lords would be a good start.
Why does scotland run at a deficit...? And what impact does the block grant scotland recieves from the uk government impact on public services such as the nhs?
Michael Mccreadie One reason Scotland runs a deficit is that we contribute more in taxes and oil revenues than we get back in block grant: basically we are subsidising the rest of the UK. Plus we pay for things like the House of Lords and Trident that have very little relevance to us.
Totally agree with you...thats why I was asking the question why scotland has a deficit in the first place....hope the scottish people wake up and voteyes before all our public services are privatised.
Most Western Governments have been spending more than they have been receiving: the tax dodging of companies like Amazon and Starbucks doesn't help, and we must get much tougher on preventing tax avoidance and tax evasion. There is a thriving grey economy in Scotland, time to get tough!
Why isn't that document about the privatisation (from 2012) not dropped through every letter box in the UK? It can still be done...today! Just simplify the salient points (referring to the relevant sections in the full document) so that everyone, regardless of education level, can understand the simplified document. Make the full document available upon request.
Who is going to pay for it though? Conservatives don't want you to know, because they have D.Trump waiting to take over services now they have won the election
Yes that will improve the quality of care, it is a myth that nhs is free. It is not, it is funded by the taxpayer money and then people are being told that its free and you can't demand any treatment but you can refuse one. There is lack of equipment and skills people are regularly been told to raise their own funds and get the treatment elsewhere. Recently a young boy died because his family couldn't raise funds for his liver transplant surgery in states. Doctors are not properly trained they often misdiagnosis treatable symptoms. Its a government hospital and like other government hospitals in the third world countries its not properly managed. So yes it should be semi private.
could someone explain this in more laymen terms? when people say the nhs is being sold to pharmaceutical, US corporations etc what does this actually mean? what exactly is being bought/sold? thanks
the US has demanded “full market access” in the NHS and is known to want to end the ability of the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice), which regulates medicine prices in the UK, to block drugs it does not consider value for money. The Trump administration also wants to change patent law, potentially paving the way for US drug firms to demand higher prices for their medicines and over a longer period of time.
If the NHS is so brilliant, why not make it optional? If it as good as people claim (it actually isn't), then why not let people choose as individuals, and if it is that good then people will naturally choose the NHS. I have never seen or heard a logically consistent and acceptable answer to this question by NHS loving people. The truth is that it has to force people to use and pay for it to function, because it actually is not as good as people claim (there is a lot of data that shows that the NHS has some really bad problems but people seem to always ignore it). Also, if I hear one more time "Do you rather want the american system" I'll go nuts, of course I don't, the american system is a corrupt, heavily regulated, protectionist system that is obviously really bad. I advocate for a FREE MARKET system, where people get to choose what they want as individuals. The american healthcare system is NOT free market. I implore you to look at something like the swiss system, not entirely free market but much more so than the american system and a lot better and less costly than both the american system and NHS.
Simon, people already can choose to get private healthcare and health insurance anytime they like and have for years, nobody is stopping them, do ask yourself why they don’t.
I notice she did not mention that a solicitor working for the labour party. Who later became a labour MP managed to sell off a number of hospitals, via a scheme called PFI. We tax payers are now paying billions of pounds per year in rent for those hospitals. See too how the costs of maintanence is now sky high. The NHS was set up for the British people, over the years it has become an International health service. We now see Visitors to Bitain coming when they are heavily pregnant and though hospitals should charge such patients do not pay. She talks of buying stuff from all over the world, not on health care. The nhs does not make beds or produce bandages, uniforms, drugs, indeed any such things. Even the doctors are paid privately. the only source of real m,oney other than taxation. Would be chaging foreiners for the service. I remember as a young man I had a motor bike accident. I was told I would be charged for the ambulance and any injections for tetanus needed. When did that stop funding the NHS.
Couldn't agree more with this lecture and altho commentators.nits shameful that a great man did this for us and we haven't protected it from the narcissistic capitalists in our society
Vote No. Scotland has sold off all it's resources and only receives tax from them. Won't change after yes vote. Scotland paid 80 million of NHS cash to private companies last year... Guess who has shares in the companies that received the money! MSPs and friends I will not vote for unfunded promises, tax hikes and uncertainty. Vote No.
frontrowa1 well said these no voters will make up any lies they can think of! I just hope they are at the back of the queue when they need a kidney and the NHS is gone!
Scotland was paying for privatized NHS services when SNP got into power (it was started under new Labour). 80M / 11Bn(total NHS Scotland cost) = 0.7% privatized.
Stuart W Thanks Stuart, its all my own work :) vote YES Scotland & flush that arseholes bullshit down the toilet.. once & for all. Then, we can open a window & make sure that stench is gone forever more! :) lol.
NHS is on the brink - majority privatised. Post Brexit and Covid the waiting lists will be so long most people will have to pay for treatment or suffer/die. I am very concerned of getting old in the UK. The Tories dont care for you - unless you have money.
Nor do Labour as well. Keith Kid Starver wants to finish it for good. And then you'll have to fork out money for ambulances (much of which many people don't have) this will be an era of great reset where thousands die because they cannot get healthcare.
The political background played a huge role by controlling NHS, GMC and Locum agencies .All these NHS, GMC, MMC have masked faces. The crisis will be increasing and pathetic workload on doctors. What role the dubious GMC is playing now about underneath racism, volatile ethical and doubtful best practice. It is better to NHS privatised to save junior doctors and let NHS beg throughout countries to save doctors. Your " Our NHS" is not even open to common people yet, it is under diplomatic wrapper of racism, ego complex, confusing guidelines and British diplomacy. Good decision to have weakileaks about NHS and without mercy to be made public to save doctors.
No media coverage. And it has been a slow and piecemeal privatization so there was no one point where it became obvious what was happening. Privatization of the NHS has been going on to some extent since the 80's so it is difficult for the public to notice.
Well, its been quite a time now and I am still waiting to hear about the migrants and the elderly being turned away from hospitals and GP surgeries because they do not qualify for or they are not entitled to treatment. No insurance company as yet has telephoned me and asked me to take out medical insurance to cover my NHS treatment costs and the Government is still putting money into the service, probably not enough but this an argument both political parties attempt to score points on depending on which party is in power. I have even looked up the act...still do not fully understand what this lady is talking about. Cannot see the words Insurance, Migrants, California or the phrase "refused treatment" mentioned. Am I blind?
+PJGSJ 1) It is becoming privatised, bit by bit. 2) The state's duty to meet all your health needs was removed in England in 2012, so services can, and are now, being denied by local expressions of the NHS. Your option is put up or go somewhere else, such as privately if you can afford it. 3) The staff are replaced with cheaper, less qualified staff. This is one point of the currently proposed junior doctors contract. 4) If you have lots of money, you can be over-treated as in the US, since they see you as a source of income. These are a few of the joys of a privatised health service.
+PJGSJ The level of service will increase and you can pay for more hospital builds and cut waiting times, in stead of dumping people in corridors and protecting crappy managers who should be fired! You could fire all the bad managers that think the world owes them a living which is why the bureaucracy is failing just like the BBC. It's all thanks to socialism that this (£100 billlion) money wasting culture is bankrupting public spending that could go onto clearing dept and spending on education and fixing roads and rail infrastructure, house building, security etc! This is a left wing political foot ball that never pays for itself! Then there's the very obvious tax streme from alcohol and tobacco the loony left doctors attack and then bankrupt the public spending even more!
The fact that there are "managers" (a commercial concept if ever there was one, as if a hospital were an H&M) at all in the NHS, far from being a "socialist" idea, marked the beginning of the Thatcherite marketisation of the NHS.
Have you ever worked for them? I have and I don't see why it should be a free service every other country in the world excluding the us manages the money properly and canada has a far superior system to the usa with no waiting lists.
+silverfox2358 "every other country in the world excluding the us manages the money properly " A strange comment. In many countries, just like the US, those without enough money cannot afford healthcare. Full stop. It is not a free service in the UK. It is a service funded by general taxation. From each according to ability to pay (tax), to each according to (clinical) need.
Great respect for Professor Pollock, a great defender of NHS today!
The woman is an absolute diamond. She's still fighting to this day.
An absolutely excellent lecture produced by a very dedicated person on the problems of privatisation. It is a must watch. People NEED to know this.
It is one listening to this what are the people going to accept!!
She predicted the future. Who's here in 2019
The piece was from 2014 . That's why she mentioned David Owen ..
me
Because she is a truth speaker
2014 wasn't that far away
It is Still the future
As a member of SKAT (Skye Bridge campaigner) I fought for years against PFI and privatisation. That included the privatisation of the NHS and other vital public services. I have followed Allison for many years. Thankyou Allison. Tom McAllister. for ref ....George Monbiot's "Captive State" Chapter two, "The Corporate Takeover of the NHS".
My doctor referred me for an ultrasound scan last week. This morning when I set off to the hospital I was shocked to see the address showed an industrial estate. Long story short, they have sold of the ultrasound department and it’s now ran from an office block on an industrial estate. Some people are making a tidy cut from our taxes for a department which needs zero external commercial intervention. Welcome to the United States of Great Britain.
You'll often here talk of "efficiecy". People will argue that these small private firms can do the job more efficiently. In isolation that might (or not) be correct. What they don't talk about though is continuity of care. Does it matter if my scan was done much quicker if when I return to the hospital they don't even have a copy of it?
That's what happened to my wife and my experience of bouncing around these little private bodies.
The continuity of care degrades and the failure demand in the system increases. This setup nearly cost my wife her life.
No. They have sub-contracted a service, like the doctors, nurses.
Now we've moved into the final stages. Let's see how this "massive" US trade deal fairs for the British people, we might aswell have voted for the workhouse.
You are right about that ...
If the NHS is saved most won't notice..but if it is privatised everyone will and it will be too late. They'll just wail how did this happen whilst being proud lifelongTory voters
@@zeinabadam958 Most of mankind are losing the capacity to think. That's how they'll become slaves to our ultimate enemies. It's called being cattle.
@@farazchoudhry3560 truth!!
@@zeinabadam958 Unfortunately yes, and even after the NHS is lost - the war will still be on to get it back.
Thank you so much... everyone needs to understand this!
What the politicians are doing to the NHS is an absolute disgrace.
I'm sharing this with my American friends. They need to see how far insurance companies will go to destroy any competition. They do not care about peoples health, only profits.
This video should have a million views. Share, for NHS's sake, share!
Why does this only have 6000 views!? Share, share, share!
Cos it's factually incorrect?
I jest. I is factually incorrect, and economically illiterate (Keynesian, I presume), but the reason is because Rihanna exists, and is more interesting than this matter.
Matthew Hayden I think Rhianna is substantially less interesting by orders of magnitude.
kr050
And yet nobody else is saying the same thing as your or +1 -ing your comment...
So Rihanna beats the NHS yet again. Foiled at every turn!
I had an argument on Boris Johnson's web page over NHS privatisation today, where Rhianna did not come up once... :)
Matthew John Hayden dim witted people find Rihanna interesting
Heartbreaking.
Thank you for this talk
Please share this video on Facebook etc. This information must be brought to the people’s attention. Solidarity and best wishes Brian.
Everyone should listen to this - it is very clear.
5 years later her talk the NHS is almost dead
kaaa111 because the uncomprehending Brits re elected Tory government whose policies are against their interests.
@@Whitesilver1970 Yep and now insist on voting Labour in come the GE even though Keith the Kid Starver has the same interests of that which are Tory.
As much as I love England, theres no way im staying here if the NHS gets dissolved.
Yep same here. That's main reason ppl do not want to migrate abroad 2 a country with more sea and sunshine.
same here
The US pays literally double that of the most expensive European country for its "health service".
It's there to make money, and that is why it's so inefficient.
However, one good thing that might come out of the current coronavirus crisis is that there is now more focus on the NHS than ever.
IF the government persist in selling off the NHS there may well be a revolution. Those MPs supporting a US system of ripping off the public would be hanged from lamposts.
@@pineapplepenumbra should but would?
@@QueerPolitics I know, right?
A timely reminder of what is /has been happening
My local surgery is privately owned. The doctors and nurses are employed by the company setup by the owner. They normally have only 2 doctors for 15000 patients when there should be 6 doctors or more. I do assume that the surgery is paid an annual amount by the NHS and by employing 6 doctors the owner would need to pay out more so at times only 2 are employed which means he pockets more. if anyone wants a flu jab, blood test, INR test, Asthma checkup, Diabetic checkup and other checkups that the surgey gets paid extra for there is no waiting time. If you are ill and want to see a doctor, 2 to 3 weeks is normal and quite often the receptionist will ask why you want to see a doctor and quite often will refuse your request and direct you to a nurse, nurses are cheaper than doctors and my surgery employs plenty of nurses. Things only make sense when you look at it as a private concern.
Nearly all local surgeries are privately owned. Nearly all GPs are independent contractors.
Jeremy Hunt has blood on his hands. I hope everyone who watches this writes to there MP & fights to support our junior Doctors & your local GP's, it is a disgrace that so many caring Doctors & nurses are the only reason the NHS is keeping afloat, while administrators end up colluding with the corporates & then dictating to the people who are in a vocation. I feel so sorry for all the Doctors & Nurses who genuinely care. Look what happened to Dr David Kelly, Harrowdown Hill" is where Doctor David Kelly was found dead, it was by no means suicide, the etymology of the name Harrowdown comes from term Temple, many secret temple rituals are held within these corporate eyes wide shut groups & there is always a sacrificial tree, which is exactly where Dr Kelly was found laying dead within the circular spinney. Furthermore Chomsky said that it isn't just about stripping a social structure, it is an agenda to destroy solidarity, he went on to say, we all need to be the resistance. Corporate cannibals are no less than murder incorporated, they are psychopaths with no social intelligence & when you look at the off shore funds hidden on the Cayman islands alone is over 13 TRILLION STERLING. Please campaign at Change.org & 38degrees & please spread the word. Have a look on 38 degrees RUclips page too, thank you.
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Theflowoflove have you ever met a junior doctor, or a bunch of them? They are insufferable assholes!
More recent reports suggest that it's "only" $1.5 trillion...
Maybe you were thinking of what's held in other tax havens as well?
ChrisColtBJJ you better pray you won't ever need their help until the day you take your final breath
pineapplepenumbra yeah they serve the same purpose just in different locations
We're seeing some of this in Canada too. I'll never forget being interviewed by a GP that turned me down flat because I suffer from depression and wanted to be checked for diabetes. He treated me like a criminal. I'll never forget how that felt.
How is it going
A MUST watch for those that believe in the NHS.
Privatisation of the NHS: Allyson Pollock:
Allyson Pollock is Professor of Public Health Research & Policy at Queen Mary, University of London. She is one of the UK's leading medical intellectuals, and undertakes research and teaching.
#YouDecide2014 #IndyRef #YouYesYet ?
Anyone who voted conservative or didn't vote for labour because of Corbyn needs to take note of this. Learn from the mistakes your making so future generations don't have to pay for them.
We need to support David Owens bill. We need to fight for Our NHS. The best healthcare system in the world, before it becomes the worst.
We need to save our NHS, fight privatization, you me and everyone who uses it, I beg you to take a stand, don't let anyone take away what our fore fathers have fought long and hard for, you don't know what you have until it's gone, think about that.
things change
Thatcher started it and did a pact with Labour to privatise it which is still going on with Starmer but he doesn't like talking about it😡
As long as Big Co. is in charge of medical services no quality nor patient interest will prime, just money and targets.
What will the targets be? And what will the competitor's targets be?
And what will the relationship be if the patients are themselves paying?
The quality of services should be the target, not some empty points and money
Perhaps you misunderstand me.
Surely those setting targets should be a health team and the patient they treat...
Isn't the supposed to be a contractual relationship?
Sorry dear Matthew, I meant no offense to anyone and there is no misunderstanding.
Is just my personal point of view upon the relation in the NHS today,
Matthew Hayden
There's a fundamental conflict here that makes the idea that the patient is a 'customer contracting services' totally inappropriate, naive, and, quite frankly, bullshit.
e.g. USA: You go to your doc for a check up. He makes money out of that. He tells you you're ill and need a scan. He makes more money out of that than saying you are well. He says, in fact, you'd better have a bunch of tests too, 'just to be sure'. He makes more money the more tests he asks for. He says you could have the normal way of doing it but you could have new and much more expensive treatment X. He makes more money out of that, as do his buddies who make expensive treatment X who give him discounts for recruiting patients. You go home better and hope you can stay well enough over the the next 5 years to pay off the treatment. You, as the patient, have no way of telling whether any of this is the truth or not; and the Doctor has all sorts of incentives to give you bad advice.
Well known examples of unnecessary, dangerous, over-used and expensive tests - CT Scans; and 'new and expensive but no more effective' treatments - robotic surgery.
UK: You go to your doc for a check up. He gets paid to do that already. He says you're ill and need a scan. He doesn't make money of that. He says, but you don't need all these other tests because this one is risky and that one would expose you unnecessarily to ionizing radiation. He doesn't get paid for that because he's been paid already. He says, well there is this expensive treatment, but actually this cheap one is just as good, so let's use that one. He saves money which allows more people to be treated for the same cost and is thus much more efficient. You go home better in the same financial state as before and if you're unlucky and get ill again you don't need to worry.
This is *precisely* how the US system is exploitative; why it is so expensive; and why it is also less effective, and why patients cannot be treated like informed consumers. And why any other country would be completely insane to follow the US system. Which is what the video is about.
While this coalition government spend 100 Billion on nuclear weapons of mass destruction we have to suffer
If you love the NHS you must watch this. If you have ever needed a Doctor, been in hospital, know someone who needed hospital treatment, you must watch this.
If you live in Scotland, vote No and we are next. Vote Yes and save your NHS.
As importantly if you live anywhere in the UK and love your NHS you must watch this. Then take action.
if you guys vote yes, it will be easier for the conservatives to get elected :(
ichigo199 Simply not true. Scottish votes have only twice influenced who was in power in the UK since world war II. Also it would be extremely arrogant to stay in the UK to force a Labour administration onto the rUK when the majority there voted Tory. Finally if the rUK does not want a Tory govt, they don't need to vote Tory. Scots shouldn't stay in the Union because of pity for the rUK, the rUK needs to stand on their own two feet and accept the political choices they make.
i know i know...your right,us english need to sort ourselves out and get rid of the neoliberal parasites who run parliament
ichigo199 My big hope is that with a Yes vote, Scotland will lead the way for the rUK nations to take back their democracy and we can all build together a more equal set of island nations for the people and not the elites. A No vote will just endorse the failure that the UK has become and show Westminster and the Lords that they can do what they want and no-one will stand against them.
I agree. I’m English, and I think that the Scots should go simply to have a chance to stop the insane far-right commodification of life in Britain. Now, Scotland will face its own problems and share of corrupt politicians. There will be neoliberals who need to be stopped. However, as a separate nation you may be able to combat the stampede to the right in a way which you simply will not in a UK with a corporate owned government.
Thank you for this lecture Allyson it has made clear how the government has privatised the NHS through the back door which us nurses have always suspected. Very sad but this has given me hope. I will not give up on the NHS despite all the marketing from the various nurse agencies. Never give up, never judge provide care based on clinical need not a cost benefit analysis for every patient. Brentwood ICT are aware of this and will continue.
This is exactly one of the reasons why I am voting Yes for Scotland's independence from a government in Westminster which privatises EVERYTHING. Gas, Electric, Railways, National grid, Water, Telephone, Post office, Oil, British Airways and now the National Health Service. Of course its all worked out great I am sure we are all paying lower energy bills, train tickets, stamps & parcels, Petrol! Oh I forgot we're NOT, they are all more expensive now than ever before. Soon though Scotland will re-nationalise some of those and add them to our Free prescriptions, No tuition fees, No bridge tolls, public owned water & NHS. Only if we vote Yes though people :)
its free prescriptions and wage increases in Scotland along with using the most expensive drugs that caused some of this, they demanded prescription to be free in Scotland then voted for Englands to rise, so England pay more and Scotland nothing, when if everyone paid in we could all pay 80% less on every prescription. . Learn some facts before talking foolish words.
you are independent and abusing Englands services and not paying in, NHS wages raised to insane levels free haleth prescriptions, woke funding and you abused the prescription drugs costs for trans treatment that cost zero unless you live in England which pays all prescription drug charges and they get lower nurse wages and closed down because they cant afford to cover Scotland. Get Scottish independce you would have no NHS or free prescriptions, no british airways because you depend on England trade and would have to make your own NHS which wouldnt give you free prescriptions, but it would make our NHS costs go down. You dont get it do you, you have no idea what happened do you?
Well said thank you. If we want to save our NHS in Scotland from London's destruction we must get home rule. So please everyone come out in force rise up against this and vote SNP
Coming from an American poorly insured-fight with everything you have to keep your NHS my cousins across the pond.🙏💙
The US System is truly awful and should not be copied by anyone or anything - horrendously expensive, extremely ineffective, unbelievably amoral with no-one held to account. There's only one reason why this has happened - to make the rich richer.
I live in America where corrupt politicians and Ceos do not care about whether people get good affordable health care or not. I pray the NHS is not destroyed for profit and hope they dont bring in American style greedy for profit insurance companies into the UK healthcare system.
By no way is the NHS ‘perfect’ but and I don’t care who runs the NHS, whether that be government or a private organisation, but as long as it’s ‘free’ and ‘affordable’
Unfortunately the reason I don’t agree with the US system is because I don’t believe people should have to ‘pay’ for a basic human right, especially to insurance companies.
Also its funny how no one ever questions why the fire brigade isn’t set up in the same way, why don’t you have a privatised fire insurance?
@@dans3955 said, ".....funny how no one ever questions why the fire brigade isn’t set up in the same way, why don’t you have a privatised fire insurance?..."
I do believe that actually used to be the case at on point in history
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@@WhoAmEye_WhoAreEwe Yep, saw a video explaining it not too long back. Was interesting to see. You had to have a fire mark on your building or they wouldn't prioritise you.
Aye, I respect Allyson and I'll thank her for investigating a PFI scam which I was deeply involved in campaigning against for nearly nine years, namely the Skye Toll bridge PFI scam. I subsequently was involved in exposing the Commercial Confidential details of Hospital PFI contracts*. Read George Monbiot's "Captive State".
Great information thanks.
I just fell on this video while right at the moment the NHS bill for privatisation is going through parliament. Privatising the NHS is a catastrophic decision. Instead of funding a restructuring of the system, profitability has been the Tories' main goal, this will leave a large part of the British population on the side of the road, many will no longer have access to some exorbitantly expensive care and drugs. A two-tier medical system. For decades, we have observed this phenomenon in the USA a non-welfare state. But of course, the Tories have nothing to worry about, they will always have the means to be pampered.
Yep. Next once the NHS is gone destroy the welfare state so many depend upon. Great idea Tories.
The US model is the most ridiculous approach to healthcare that we have in the world today. Insanity. Nothing short of it.
Life is short, choices are stark. bigoted beliefs cancel real truths, lies and corruption prevail, but with truth, real truth, we, the enlightened will prevail. One very, very brave woman. Hopefully she will stay safe
Indeed, - keep our NHS public!
8 years ago! What have we done about this?
61 million in america uninsured doesn't mean that 61 million don't have healthcare! They can use the state hospitals or pay for each treatment individually (which is often cheaper)
The ONE thing I would do prison time for, free healthcare for all. It will kick off if it is fully scrapped.
People are only cannon fodder for the forces.
Free healthcare in prison!
She's a great woman
Thanks to the Canary for this information
•206 parliamentarians have recent or present financial private healthcare connections.
•142 Lords have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare.
•124 Peers benefit from the financial services sector.
•1 in 4 Conservative Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare.
•1 in 6 Labour Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare.
•1 in 6 Crossbench Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare.
•1 in 10 Liberal Democrat Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies involved in healthcare.
•64 MPs have recent or present financial links to companies involved in private healthcare.
•79% of these are Conservative.
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The Tories voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times before the act was passed, including both the Second and Third reading.
They voted against devolution,they manipulated the votes in 2014,and they told you take your country back,with a big lie on a red bus. Britain/England.!!
Excellent statement!
Unfortunately this is now truer than ever.
The NHS needs to be held accountable for the people it harms - because presently it is not!? It is overrun with corruption and criminal negligence.
My husband would be dead several times over if it weren't for the #NHS. (Serious road traffic accident, cancer, third degree burns)
I would be dead too. (Cancer, diabetes)
My Mam would be dead (cancer, heart condition, diabetes)
My brother would be dead (diabetes)
My dad would have been dead far younger (cancer, diabetes, heart condition)
Aunts, uncles, cousins, family, friends, neighbours...all saved at some point by the #NHS...it's very precious and vital.
Support junior doctors in the upcoming all out strike.
Likewise. Serious heart attack, tain stroke, major operation, plastic spare parts and on medication for the rest of my life. Two years ago I was diagnosed with High Grade Lymphoma Cancer, surgery and tumours debulked. Followed by Chemo and Radio Therapy.
My mum, who's in her early fifties, suffered with a severe curvature in her spine caused by scoliosis for many years of her life. She eventually had an operation, funded by the NHS, which corrected the curvature in her spine and saved her from all the pain and discomfort she had been experiencing over the years - it also saved her walking. If it weren't for the NHS, she'd now be confined in a wheelchair, only able to move her arms and head.
The only way we can save our ever-increasingly privatised NHS is to vote Corbyn/Labour in 2020.
It's fallacious to say the NHS is the sole institution that prevented you and your family from death as this implies no NHS = no healthcare provision. In reality it is just as likely your death would have been averted through healthcare provided by private producers, should the NHS not have existed.
+MrCrippsy99 you are wrong. My whole family and I, in fact my whole community come from working classes and would not be able to afford private healthcare. Going by the American healthcare system where there is free treatment for the most impoverished...does not in any way equal the care and treatment provided by the NHS. Delays, lack of specialism and refusal of certain procedures on these healthcare plans are a poor second, nay third to our valuable national health system.
+MrCrippsy99 you are wrong. My whole family and I, in fact my whole community come from working classes and would not be able to afford private healthcare. Going by the American healthcare system where there is free treatment for the most impoverished...does not in any way equal the care and treatment provided by the NHS. Delays, lack of specialism and refusal of certain procedures on these healthcare plans are a poor second, nay third to our valuable national health system.
May this shameful state of affairs never come to Scotland! We must vote Yes for independence!!
The NHS is a giant tree under which we all shelter.
But it has been hollowed out.
It is now a shell.
But most people just see this shell.
Their understanding of the system on which they depend,
is confined to their immediate experience, of a service that is free at the point of use.
They don't see what has been done to it on the inside by the termites of marketisation and privatization.
They don't know it will fall down.
Nice to hear the truth for a change
A powerful description of how this unelected government who claimed the NHS would not be interfered with has conspired to rob it for for the fat cats that run multinational health corporations. On a more positive note health workers are currently balloting to strike over 3 years of pay freeze -- low pay makes us more attractive to the private companies who want to steal health services. We are hopefully following the lead of Care UK strikers in Doncaster already privatised who have struck against being reduced to the minimum wage.They know what what commercial delivered services mean -- staff impoverished losing their homes and clients of health services getting poor quality services from low paid untrained staff. I hope to join millions of others on strike this autumn to defend the NHS the 1 thinhg that has made Britain civilised.
Stephen Robson Evidence please
Money, money, money - it's all about the money. The NHS is not.
Stephen Robson
You have been looking at old data. If you read the paper on privatisation in Sweden by Goran Dahlgren you will see why this is a complete disaster. Also have a look at the data from the Commonwealth Fund which places the UK system first in the developed world. I work with US patients, and their system is a car crash. Other countries are being bullied out of their Beverage systems, in return for funding. Nobody has seen a slightest hint of improvement - quite the opposite, as a little bit of common sense would tell you. A private system which has to put (and pay) the bosses and shareholders first by law, and can go crying to lawyers and cite commercial confidentiality at the slightest hint that something is wrong is bound to take billions away from the coal face of actual healthcare. There will be more deaths, and more botched ops The latest privateer firm botched 2/3rds, and some people were irretrevably blinded, but the public will not get to hear about this soon, as we switch completely to private. Our regulaters are too scared of their legal teams (see the latest CQC report on this re care homes - an 80's attempt to show that privatisation works to bring savings, efficiencies and improvements- that panned out well for the public, didn't it??). This is the system we are all (UK and the EU) being harmonised to. Harmonisation is the favourite euphemism of privatisers but it simply means downgraded to the LCD. It is sad so many are unaware, and also unaware of how this will be locked in by TTIP, which is why all European systems are switching over, and have been for some years. Since the UK is first in all categories but one, and did quite well on that one, why do people want to pay money for an inferior system? And we are the CHEAPEST in the developed world!! So much disinformation seems to be circulating.
Stephen Robson You have not explained how we can "forget the USA" when our advisors and theirs are involved in an ever revolving door of opportunity, when we are being harmonised to their model by TTIP, and when all those cosy models in Europe you are talking about are also being Americanised against the wishes of their populations. As for Australia, they have lost their model too, thanks to the Trans Pacific Partnership harmonisation and are actually demonstrating in their thousands. As for your view of the Commonwealth Fund, they took a whole three years to collate their replies from thousand people or so? Might the other years have been to do with the research from the WHO and OECD? Many of the results were determined from findings in Commonwealth Fund surveys undertaken with both patients and clinicians, supplemented by outcomes data from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). I am afraid there is an awful lot of data - have you actually read it? Please tell me all about your up to date data (on what)? I have quoted actual academic papers, is this beyond you? Of course data collected in the last 2 or 3 years (the commonwealth fund data is from 2011 before privatisation really took off) is actually showing the deterioration due to privatisation, so producing it might not be in your best interests. You are the people who promised faithfully you would not reorganise the NHS, who swore that the disabled were exempt from the bedroom tax, and who still expect us to believe we will be so muich better paying lots of money to shareholders against all the statistics and data that independent academics produce. Accusations of scaremongering are your favourite tactics when you know you are in the wrong. The more you accuse, the more we know we are working on the right lines....Reality - the real data on the costs of denationalisation of health systems, trumps your fantasies. Have you seen the data for the increase in corruption for example? The head of NHS privatisation for Peterborough (well that is how residents think of him, despite the fancy title) is a prime example - has he been extradited to Canada for fraud yet yet? I think you need to look at the hard facts, and stop quoting one single solitary Irishman who had obviously had a few too many. You won't meet many people in the UK who have not had a run in with an insurance system - and been refused funding because they forgot to declare a cold when they were two and three quarters, or some such trivial reason. The service and efficiency are superlative - for the boss and the shareholders interests, not the public.
Stephen Robson
The UK has lower rates of years of life lost due to road injury, diabetes, liver cancer and chronic kidney disease compared to the western average.
The UK now has some of the most stringent anti-tobacco legislation in Europe. And while tobacco-related diseases were the highest cause of death, this could be the result of historical trends rather than current failings in UK healthcare.The use of tobacco peaked after the second world war and did not begin to drop significantly until after the 1970s, so, the high number of deaths we are seeing now could be the result of the smoking habits of teenagers during the 1970s, who went on to be life-long smokers, taking their toll. Hopefully, tobacco-related deaths should begin to significantly fall in the years to come.
Alzheimer’s is a disease of ageing, so as life expectancies increase due to improvement in public health, so would rates of Alzheimer’s be expected to increase. It would be lower in countries with lower longevity.
Drink and drug abuse’ is ‘pushing Britain down world death table’, and mental and behavioural conditions including substance misuse were a major cause of YLD (years lived with disability) in the UK in 2010. Finally there may be differences in how each country classifies the causes of a death and how a country collects health data, which could affect results. Therer is also a lack of data for some diseases or injuries in particular countries (such as sensory conditions). I have studied the US data on cancer for example, but this is unreliable because people who are uninsured are not actually autopsied to find out the cause of death. I have actually argued that older women should be screened for breast cancer (it mostly occurs in pensioners, despite the headlines to the contrary), but was told it was "too expensive", despite monies being made available to pay the huge PFI debts. Another example of the private sector skewing the system. Mental and behavioural conditions are prevalent in countries with wide inequality gaps - lots of good data available to show on this. No wonder the US and UK came at the bottom, as it tracks their inequality gap ratios.
We could continue to argue about how good or bad the NHS is, but that has nothing to do with the costs of privatisation, and how it leaches money from actual healthcare. Please now let me have the data supporting your arguments (I have quoted my sources) and your thinking on how loss of transparency and accountability in a privatised healthcare system will make things safer, (see the CQC on how they are afraid of being sued) plus how paying for shareholders (and managers and company bosses), who are obliged by law to have their interests put before patients, will actually make for a better system given a finite amount of funding. You also have not refuted my arguments on corruption, nor explained your thinking around how CETA and TTIP will affect EU systems.
What is wrong with defending the NHS against those who want to put huge chunks of taxpayers money in their own pockets. Can you point to a single privatisation where we the taxpayer, have actually seen a cheaper and better service? Foreign public companies are now raking huge profits from utilities we once owned ourselves, and private companies are a proven sick joke. Where we have got value for money from the sale? As I said, the 80's privatisation of care has been a real triumph. Even the current government admits it is a shambles!!
Privatization of health care is also disenfranchising millions of poor women in the Philippines that is why our activists in the GABRIELA Women's Party is fighting in parliament to try stopping the selling our of our public hospitals!
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So people of Scotland wake up and vote YES for this not to happen in our country!
NHSE must have been inspired by this talk when they introduced ICSs.
great presentation, as USA moves towards a model similar to what the UK had, England moves to a system that did not work in USA
Obama had the health idea,Trump demolished it.
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We are letting this happen, we should have been on the streets when they brought the bedroom tax in, and their horrible universal credit. FIGHT THIS. I have recently had experience of the "training" and job search help, nothing but a supply for recruitment agencies. The job center just passes people to these things KNOWING they are rubbish and none have ever hit even their lowest targets. The government gives these things £2000 to get you into ANYTHING. The money tree yet again. FIght
Awesome video. Thanks for the card I got off u at HOOP x
It's astounding the way voters just can't seem to wait to wrest services from those in government who their votes *ought* to hold to account, and instead give those services to corporations that they have no hope of control over at all.
youtube: 'The Great NHS Heist.' [by Dr Bob Gill]
NHS main problem is neither funding nor equipment , it is purely un educated doctors, irresponsible nurses, staff etc. It's the hardest to get appointment and if you get one you go to see a GOOGLE DOCTOR, they google everything and tell you than, do they deserve pay rise ? NO. their licence should be removed. There are countries has much less fund than UK NHS but better service than NHS.
No, the problem is the British ruling class, which has always despised how they were forced to create the NHS by communists and other working class militants, and have endeavored to undermine and destroy it ever since. If/when the workers stop groveling before their oppressors, take matters into their own hands and eliminate these parasites from the equation, the NHS will work like a Swiss fucking watch - mark my words.
shane you are a bit dim, learn a bit
@@JohnnyAmerique Did you just call the creators of NHS the Attlee government communists ?
We should rebuke and refuce to accept the Health and Social Care Act 2012 and have it abolished.
Exactly. The act didnt go far enough. NHS itself needs to be abolished and have complete privatisation eventually.
@@fatfat1877 Not that. the Act. And the 2022 Act as well. The NHS can be saved but not like this.
Unfortunately the campaign failed and the Lords were defeated so the bill is in full function now. I am writing this in 2019. This is what Labour, followed by the Conservatives and Liberals did to us.
youtube: - ''Privatisation Bill Going Through Parliament'' - by A Different Bias.
Dr Bob Gill, October 2022. Gives an update.
There would be more than enough money to fund schools and hospitals if the average western country didn't have to pay a huge chunk of the tax-take to pay the interest on borrowed currency (created out of thin air!) to 'central' banks (like the Bank "of England" - which is PRIVATELY owned - and the "Federal" Reserve -which is NOT a Federal body but another privately owned bank).
The Rothschilds banking cartel made it so that the world wud b 4ever in debt. That was their trick 2 keep people in bondage and servitude 4 life.
Bout time too !
15:26 This point is not made often enough.
It needs a massive shake up. Now doing far more than it was ever designed to do.
How it is done, nobody knows. Which ever government is in power it is a problem that will continue and every effort to modernise and streamline it will be met by opposition.
+MrWhelts This lack of modernisation and opposition to change will probably finish the NHS off.
Nicola, Scotland had a deficit of 12 billion last year, that's including oil revenues. Before set up costs too. We face further cuts under a YES government. A vote YES is a vote for job losses and an underfunded NHS. If Salmond can't take the time to work out all his costs that has to get you thinking... Can Scotland afford it? From what I have seen the answer is a giant No.
Privatisation increases costs, because it adds profit to shareholders. Scotland cannot afford to privatise the NHS and neither can England. As for Independence, Scotland must get away from this profligate, wasteful Tory mentality of flogging off everything to the lowest bidder, and like all western societies , work towards eliminating the budget deficit. Getting rid of Trident and the House of Lords would be a good start.
Why does scotland run at a deficit...? And what impact does the block grant scotland recieves from the uk government impact on public services such as the nhs?
Michael Mccreadie One reason Scotland runs a deficit is that we contribute more in taxes and oil revenues than we get back in block grant: basically we are subsidising the rest of the UK. Plus we pay for things like the House of Lords and Trident that have very little relevance to us.
Totally agree with you...thats why I was asking the question why scotland has a deficit in the first place....hope the scottish people wake up and voteyes before all our public services are privatised.
Most Western Governments have been spending more than they have been receiving: the tax dodging of companies like Amazon and Starbucks doesn't help, and we must get much tougher on preventing tax avoidance and tax evasion. There is a thriving grey economy in Scotland, time to get tough!
excellent
Thankfully I live in Scotland bless the SNP and ScotGov.
Why isn't that document about the privatisation (from 2012) not dropped through every letter box in the UK? It can still be done...today! Just simplify the salient points (referring to the relevant sections in the full document) so that everyone, regardless of education level, can understand the simplified document. Make the full document available upon request.
Who is going to pay for it though?
Conservatives don't want you to know, because they have D.Trump waiting to take over services now they have won the election
Yes that will improve the quality of care, it is a myth that nhs is free. It is not, it is funded by the taxpayer money and then people are being told that its free and you can't demand any treatment but you can refuse one. There is lack of equipment and skills people are regularly been told to raise their own funds and get the treatment elsewhere. Recently a young boy died because his family couldn't raise funds for his liver transplant surgery in states. Doctors are not properly trained they often misdiagnosis treatable symptoms. Its a government hospital and like other government hospitals in the third world countries its not properly managed. So yes it should be semi private.
What stops everyone from joining their local GP now compared to before 2012?
Stop voting Tory …
could someone explain this in more laymen terms? when people say the nhs is being sold to pharmaceutical, US corporations etc what does this actually mean? what exactly is being bought/sold? thanks
Your hospitals
the US has demanded “full market access” in the NHS and is known to want to end the ability of the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice), which regulates medicine prices in the UK, to block drugs it does not consider value for money.
The Trump administration also wants to change patent law, potentially paving the way for US drug firms to demand higher prices for their medicines and over a longer period of time.
Thankfully this will not affect Wales or Scotland (whether Yes or No in the coming referendum). Health and education are already devolved.
Where not the same though we don't have any drug advertising on TV
If the NHS is so brilliant, why not make it optional? If it as good as people claim (it actually isn't), then why not let people choose as individuals, and if it is that good then people will naturally choose the NHS.
I have never seen or heard a logically consistent and acceptable answer to this question by NHS loving people.
The truth is that it has to force people to use and pay for it to function, because it actually is not as good as people claim (there is a lot of data that shows that the NHS has some really bad problems but people seem to always ignore it).
Also, if I hear one more time "Do you rather want the american system" I'll go nuts, of course I don't, the american system is a corrupt, heavily regulated, protectionist system that is obviously really bad. I advocate for a FREE MARKET system, where people get to choose what they want as individuals. The american healthcare system is NOT free market.
I implore you to look at something like the swiss system, not entirely free market but much more so than the american system and a lot better and less costly than both the american system and NHS.
Simon, people already can choose to get private healthcare and health insurance anytime they like and have for years, nobody is stopping them, do ask yourself why they don’t.
2012 health and social care act drafted by jeremy lefroy tory mp and others.
Why is this? It must be a response to a problem . Let's see a debate or rebuttal. Then vote in the MPs you feel best support your views..
I notice she did not mention that a solicitor working for the labour party. Who later became a labour MP managed to sell off a number of hospitals, via a scheme called PFI. We tax payers are now paying billions of pounds per year in rent for those hospitals. See too how the costs of maintanence is now sky high. The NHS was set up for the British people, over the years it has become an International health service. We now see Visitors to Bitain coming when they are heavily pregnant and though hospitals should charge such patients do not pay. She talks of buying stuff from all over the world, not on health care. The nhs does not make beds or produce bandages, uniforms, drugs, indeed any such things. Even the doctors are paid privately. the only source of real m,oney other than taxation. Would be chaging foreiners for the service. I remember as a young man I had a motor bike accident. I was told I would be charged for the ambulance and any injections for tetanus needed. When did that stop funding the NHS.
Couldn't agree more with this lecture and altho commentators.nits shameful that a great man did this for us and we haven't protected it from the narcissistic capitalists in our society
Vote No.
Scotland has sold off all it's resources and only receives tax from them. Won't change after yes vote. Scotland paid 80 million of NHS cash to private companies last year... Guess who has shares in the companies that received the money! MSPs and friends
I will not vote for unfunded promises, tax hikes and uncertainty. Vote No.
You talk an absaloute pile of shite ya fool.! You just haven't got a clue, have u? lol.
Scotland Is Voting YES. 2014 YES Scotland!.
frontrowa1 well said these no voters will make up any lies they can think of! I just hope they are at the back of the queue when they need a kidney and the NHS is gone!
Scotland was paying for privatized NHS services when SNP got into power (it was started under new Labour). 80M / 11Bn(total NHS Scotland cost) = 0.7% privatized.
frontrowa1 wow you really showed him up with that eloquent reply
Stuart W Thanks Stuart, its all my own work :) vote YES Scotland & flush that arseholes bullshit down the toilet.. once & for all. Then, we can open a window & make sure that stench is gone forever more! :) lol.
NHS is on the brink - majority privatised. Post Brexit and Covid the waiting lists will be so long most people will have to pay for treatment or suffer/die. I am very concerned of getting old in the UK. The Tories dont care for you - unless you have money.
Nor do Labour as well. Keith Kid Starver wants to finish it for good. And then you'll have to fork out money for ambulances (much of which many people don't have) this will be an era of great reset where thousands die because they cannot get healthcare.
Vote UKIP for Nhs privatisation it's what we need
The political background played a huge role by controlling NHS, GMC and Locum agencies .All these NHS, GMC, MMC have masked faces. The crisis will be increasing and pathetic workload on doctors. What role the dubious GMC is playing now about underneath racism, volatile ethical and doubtful best practice. It is better to NHS privatised to save junior doctors and let NHS beg throughout countries to save doctors. Your " Our NHS" is not even open to common people yet, it is under diplomatic wrapper of racism, ego complex, confusing guidelines and British diplomacy. Good decision to have weakileaks about NHS and without mercy to be made public to save doctors.
4 days too late...... RIP NHS
How on earth do the people in the U.K. Not know about this? If more people knew there would be riots in the damn streets
No media coverage. And it has been a slow and piecemeal privatization so there was no one point where it became obvious what was happening. Privatization of the NHS has been going on to some extent since the 80's so it is difficult for the public to notice.
yep no media coverage because the media moguls like murdoch are all tory cunts, this election has been so biased it is disgusting
Littled 23 I knew about it approx 5 years ago.
You've highlighted perfectly why we can't have welfare programmes.. This is where it ends up..
Well, its been quite a time now and I am still waiting to hear about the migrants and the elderly being turned away from hospitals and GP surgeries because they do not qualify for or they are not entitled to treatment. No insurance company as yet has telephoned me and asked me to take out medical insurance to cover my NHS treatment costs and the Government is still putting money into the service, probably not enough but this an argument both political parties attempt to score points on depending on which party is in power. I have even looked up the act...still do not fully understand what this lady is talking about. Cannot see the words Insurance, Migrants, California or the phrase "refused treatment" mentioned. Am I blind?
what happens if nhs become privatised?
+PJGSJ 1) It is becoming privatised, bit by bit. 2) The state's duty to meet all your health needs was removed in England in 2012, so services can, and are now, being denied by local expressions of the NHS. Your option is put up or go somewhere else, such as privately if you can afford it. 3) The staff are replaced with cheaper, less qualified staff. This is one point of the currently proposed junior doctors contract. 4) If you have lots of money, you can be over-treated as in the US, since they see you as a source of income. These are a few of the joys of a privatised health service.
+PJGSJ The level of service will increase and you can pay for more hospital builds and cut waiting times, in stead of dumping people in corridors and protecting crappy managers who should be fired! You could fire all the bad managers that think the world owes them a living which is why the bureaucracy is failing just like the BBC.
It's all thanks to socialism that this (£100 billlion) money wasting culture is bankrupting public spending that could go onto clearing dept and spending on education and fixing roads and rail infrastructure, house building, security etc! This is a left wing political foot ball that never pays for itself!
Then there's the very obvious tax streme from alcohol and tobacco the loony left doctors attack and then bankrupt the public spending even more!
The fact that there are "managers" (a commercial concept if ever there was one, as if a hospital were an H&M) at all in the NHS, far from being a "socialist" idea, marked the beginning of the Thatcherite marketisation of the NHS.
Have you ever worked for them? I have and I don't see why it should be a free service every other country in the world excluding the us manages the money properly and canada has a far superior system to the usa with no waiting lists.
+silverfox2358 "every other country in the world excluding the us manages the money properly " A strange comment.
In many countries, just like the US, those without enough money cannot afford healthcare. Full stop.
It is not a free service in the UK. It is a service funded by general taxation. From each according to ability to pay (tax), to each according to (clinical) need.
Do it brits , do it and go to the doctor and revive $2000 bill for absolutely nothing