So how many more derailments is it going to take before the railroad industry realizes that having a stretch of empty centerbeams in the middle of a 10000ft (or longer) consist isn't a good idea? Probably won't until someone dies...smh.
@@searchlight.trains That is until there is a major disaster and people and communities sue the absolute bejezus out of one or more railroads and the settlement and litigation process takes a large chunk out of the profits, thus ruining management's profit bonuses.
@@searchlight.trains Way back in the late 50s, in my HO modeling railroad days, I learned that having very light cars right behind the locomotive, with many heavier cars behind them, in a curve, the cars would often come off the track. Interestingly, the same applies today in real life.
Well didn't take long to make this one out. It appears a broken knuckle on a pair empty centerbeams forced the back half of the train into emergency braking and even further back another pair of empty centerbeams folded up like an accordion with all that weight pushing from behind. Being so light, it doesn't take much for a pair of empty centerbeams to lift up off the rails which causes the axles to fall out and then you have a mess to clean up. This is exactly why most railroads today have mid-train and end-of-train DPU's.
The rate of success with DPU operations compared to issues and ton miles operated doesn’t even come close…..trains are going to get bigger and sidings will be lengthened or additional multiple mains, class 1’s love technology…..
Another CSX train falls victim to PSR train length and lack of car planning and placement. @ 1:35 we see three empty centrebeam cars together, this is a recipe for a derailment when they are placed in the middle of a consist as the video shows. A group of such cars are not heavy enough on the track to deal with the buff forces generated by the remainder of the train as the slack runs in under braking. PSR encourages the development of longer trains, but doesn't eliminate the need to respect and follow the hard won lessons of correct car placement in a consist. To do so is to court with disaster on an increasing scale of magnitude. CSX has gotten out of this derailment very lightly, but will they learn the lessons before a major disaster? Mark from Melbourne Australia
@@thedona.r.kbnoah7334 Trouble is that railroads appear to be following the PSR rules about minimising switching and just coupling up all of the cars for one destination, slapping on approximately the right number of locos and kicking the train out of the yard.
I was working over at Norfolk Southern in the Gest Street yard and we heard about this derailment over the scanner.. I always wondered if anyone would have gotten a video of it.. Now months later I have found it 😳
@@GodGotMeMinistry Honestly not 100% sure. I never heard about what caused it.. But judging by the footage, my assumption is that they had an empty between some loads.. Weight shifted going up the grade and caused it to pull too hard on the empty car. This was a CSX train not Norfolk Southern
You can watch a very similar derailment happen live on one of the Virtual Railfan clips. Freight rounding a curve exiting the Santa Fe yard brakes hard and two empty centre beam cars get pushed out on the curve by the weight of the following cars. Messy.
Probably one of the scariest things I've seen happen on rails. The centerbeam getting crushed against one of the overpass pillars like it was made of matchsticks…yikes.
@@maxrshelltrack7443 yeah but they run 10 or 15 empty lumber cars through here everyday almost all together and never have problems but most of time there on the back of train
And once again, the result of putting empty centerbeam cars in the middle of a 2+ mile long train. I’m guessing this had DPUs, which no doubt continued to push on these briefly after the train went into emergency. A physics class should be required for anyone responsible for building a train up.
Oh my gosh,!!!!! Thank God them cars didn't fall off the bridge and kill anyone, 🤯😱😵 so is this bridge a slight grade? WAS their dpus on this train that was pushn hard up against them cars that caused them empty center beams to derail, or did this train come to sudden stop, that caused it to derail, nice footage, thanks 👌
I don't believe this section of the bridge is on a grade. However up where the locomotives are, there is a slight grade up to the part that goes over the Ohio River. I'm not sure about any DPUs as the derailed section was as far back as I could see. I'm assuming that the difference in weight distribution throughout the train caused one part of the train to stop before the other. This probably caused the center beams to fold and derail like they did. Thanks for watching!
How the hell are they gonna fix that derailment? Those 2 centerbeams are hanging over the edge. 1 wrong move and they'll both come tumbling down on the surface.
@@searchlight.trains @1:35. It was three centrebeam cars together and the rear two buckled off the track presumably due buff forces from the rear of the train under braking.
I can see what happened, the light girder wagons were probably on the brake on a curve literally "tramped" off the track by the loaded heavier wagons and tankers, its why you should put unloaded stuff behind the loaded stuff as the compression versus kinetic energy versus trajectory/vector prob saw those girder wagons lifted clean off the rails :( Tis why Europe still uses buffers on freight a lot as the buffer's defuse much of that transmitted energy from tramping up and down the consist.
Your trains are to long cut them down a bit then no more derailment s. It obviously the length of the train that does it not the rail itself. They are two light to go around bends and then start coming of the Rails at speed someone someday is going, to killed or serious hurt....
So how many more derailments is it going to take before the railroad industry realizes that having a stretch of empty centerbeams in the middle of a 10000ft (or longer) consist isn't a good idea? Probably won't until someone dies...smh.
Unfortunately, the quest for money has taken priority over safety.
@@searchlight.trains That is until there is a major disaster and people and communities sue the absolute bejezus out of one or more railroads and the settlement and litigation process takes a large chunk out of the profits, thus ruining management's profit bonuses.
It’s not just empty centerbeams though. Any empty wagons in a string will cause the same outcome if there’s a considerable load behind
@@searchlight.trains Way back in the late 50s, in my HO modeling railroad days, I learned that having very light cars right behind the locomotive, with many heavier cars behind them, in a curve, the cars would often come off the track. Interestingly, the same applies today in real life.
Just imagine this happening during rush hour and one of those cars fell onto the road.
Well didn't take long to make this one out. It appears a broken knuckle on a pair empty centerbeams forced the back half of the train into emergency braking and even further back another pair of empty centerbeams folded up like an accordion with all that weight pushing from behind. Being so light, it doesn't take much for a pair of empty centerbeams to lift up off the rails which causes the axles to fall out and then you have a mess to clean up. This is exactly why most railroads today have mid-train and end-of-train DPU's.
It seems to me that anything more than two empty centrebeams together anywhere but at the rear of the train is begging for trouble.
The rate of success with DPU operations compared to issues and ton miles operated doesn’t even come close…..trains are going to get bigger and sidings will be lengthened or additional multiple mains, class 1’s love technology…..
2 derailments on Horseshoe curve in 3 weeks due to empty centerbeams and this one that was caught on video.
ruclips.net/video/vFLJvpwm52Q/видео.html
@@markfryer9880 You're right!
Bruh you got a CSX F40PH RJ Corman and a derailment
Yep. Quite a rare catch!
Kinda funny you got a RJ carmen unit in there and you might have RJ carmen coming to clean up the wreck.
@@maxrshelltrack7443 🤣🤣🤣
@Max Shelltrack Yeah I thought that was funny!
FP45's, maybe?
That lashup was amazing!!!
the derailment was cool and all, but look at those 2 last locomotives! what a catch!
Precision. Scheduled. Railroading. Choose any two.
Agreed...those beaters are the worst, u don't see empty flats or gondys flipping
The most minor derailment anyone has ever seen!
Another CSX train falls victim to PSR train length and lack of car planning and placement. @ 1:35 we see three empty centrebeam cars together, this is a recipe for a derailment when they are placed in the middle of a consist as the video shows. A group of such cars are not heavy enough on the track to deal with the buff forces generated by the remainder of the train as the slack runs in under braking. PSR encourages the development of longer trains, but doesn't eliminate the need to respect and follow the hard won lessons of correct car placement in a consist. To do so is to court with disaster on an increasing scale of magnitude. CSX has gotten out of this derailment very lightly, but will they learn the lessons before a major disaster?
Mark from Melbourne Australia
@ Mark. CSX isn’t called ‘Crash, Smash, or Xplode’ for nothing
@James Simms That's a new one lol
@@jamessimms415 Can't say that I've heard that one before!
Put the empty car at the end👍
@@thedona.r.kbnoah7334 Trouble is that railroads appear to be following the PSR rules about minimising switching and just coupling up all of the cars for one destination, slapping on approximately the right number of locos and kicking the train out of the yard.
I was working over at Norfolk Southern in the Gest Street yard and we heard about this derailment over the scanner.. I always wondered if anyone would have gotten a video of it.. Now months later I have found it 😳
What caused this derailment?
@@GodGotMeMinistry Honestly not 100% sure. I never heard about what caused it.. But judging by the footage, my assumption is that they had an empty between some loads.. Weight shifted going up the grade and caused it to pull too hard on the empty car. This was a CSX train not Norfolk Southern
Thank you@@jonathancummins7681
You can watch a very similar derailment happen live on one of the Virtual Railfan clips. Freight rounding a curve exiting the Santa Fe yard brakes hard and two empty centre beam cars get pushed out on the curve by the weight of the following cars. Messy.
Probably one of the scariest things I've seen happen on rails. The centerbeam getting crushed against one of the overpass pillars like it was made of matchsticks…yikes.
Wow kool video. Luckily that train didn't fall into the road below
Oh-no. Well, good thing it stayed on the bridge !!
Couldn't of happened in a better place. Going to be fun fixing this mess up between those power lines.
Empty lumber cars always derailing lol I've been train watching there I use to live in Ohio now I'm in Tulsa
Yeah they always seem to be the the weak link
Anytime you've got 3 or more unloaded centerbeam lumber cars in a row, you are asking for it.
Bad placement.
@@maxrshelltrack7443 yeah but they run 10 or 15 empty lumber cars through here everyday almost all together and never have problems but most of time there on the back of train
@@maxrshelltrack7443 sometimes there all up front also but UP keeps this sub in good shape just a 45 mile track up to Tulsa
And once again, the result of putting empty centerbeam cars in the middle of a 2+ mile long train. I’m guessing this had DPUs, which no doubt continued to push on these briefly after the train went into emergency. A physics class should be required for anyone responsible for building a train up.
Something were fishy of why having emptied centerbeams cars (lumber stackable car) between heavy weights tanks cars that was made derailed easily!
Super. 💙 T.E.N.
It seems like the old bulkhead flats were better for hauling lumber than the centerbeam cars.
The Hunter Harrison legacy …
No one mentioned the ET44AH leader with the SD40-2 behind it
Had a rj corman loco in consist. Was doomed from the beginning.
RailRoad need's to do something about those center beams, cause a lot of problem's empty.
Oh my gosh,!!!!! Thank God them cars didn't fall off the bridge and kill anyone, 🤯😱😵 so is this bridge a slight grade? WAS their dpus on this train that was pushn hard up against them cars that caused them empty center beams to derail, or did this train come to sudden stop, that caused it to derail, nice footage, thanks 👌
I don't believe this section of the bridge is on a grade. However up where the locomotives are, there is a slight grade up to the part that goes over the Ohio River. I'm not sure about any DPUs as the derailed section was as far back as I could see. I'm assuming that the difference in weight distribution throughout the train caused one part of the train to stop before the other. This probably caused the center beams to fold and derail like they did. Thanks for watching!
I'm glad the tank cars behind the flat bed derailed off the and falling off the rails into below and spilling chemical on the roadway.
That John Deere will take care of it!!
Easily the craziest catch ever
0:57 ooo rare train! Wait is that F40PH?
Indeed it was!
Wow!
Almost fell off the bridge ☹
Can’t explain Why two (2) Class I Railroads are Slow Learners with Center Beams and DPU’s.🤪👎
Another string lining derailment?
problem is, that they are outside the curve, not inside.
@@rearspeaker6364 Hi, didnt the one on Horsehoe (last year)fall outward coming up the grade ? or was that where they put them afterwards!
@@rearspeaker6364 does look like poor train make up though!
@@duck1946 thats where they moved them afterwards.
@@duck1946 that is true. likely a hard slack run in, causing those cars to "push out" at the curve. cars were at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
Is it me or trains derailing all the time now.
Seems that way!
Because of PSR.
@@maxrshelltrack7443 PSR and breaking the rules concerning car placement in consists.
My guess is more cameras and RUclips channels catching more action, but the action is probably about the same as it's been all along.
How the hell are they gonna fix that derailment? Those 2 centerbeams are hanging over the edge. 1 wrong move and they'll both come tumbling down on the surface.
Surprisingly, they had it cleared up the next day.
@@searchlight.trains damn that was quick
Yikes.
Was that derailment in Queensgate?
Yeah, just outside the yard.
@@searchlight.trains
I left in 96. Kinda miss Ohio.
Thanks for the vid and response.
pesky empty centerbeams
Why was there a CSX derailment?
I'm not sure the cause. It probably had something to do with the 2 center beam cars being placed in between heavy loaded cars.
@@searchlight.trains @1:35. It was three centrebeam cars together and the rear two buckled off the track presumably due buff forces from the rear of the train under braking.
I can see what happened, the light girder wagons were probably on the brake on a curve literally "tramped" off the track by the loaded heavier wagons and tankers, its why you should put unloaded stuff behind the loaded stuff as the compression versus kinetic energy versus trajectory/vector prob saw those girder wagons lifted clean off the rails :( Tis why Europe still uses buffers on freight a lot as the buffer's defuse much of that transmitted energy from tramping up and down the consist.
0:57 how did a CSX F40PH and a RJ Corman end up on this?
Not sure. They are probably transporting them somewhere else so they stuck them on a train that is heading to where they need to be.
Dunno about the F40PH but the Corman locomotive would only be there if it was being moved.
where was this at?
Just south of Queensgate yard along Linn St
Who gets the blame for these accidents. The engineer conductor. Crew dispatcher.
Not sure. I would think it would be the person or people who figure out where to place certain cars in the train.
That's like asking "Who gets charged with murders?" Every case is different.
@@whiteknightcat the person that did the murdering maybe
@@bellboy4074 Well then, in a similar vein, the person who gets the blame for "these accidents" is the person(s) who caused them.
i’d say who ever built the train up in the yard should have put all the light empties on the end of the train not in the center
Your trains are to long cut them down a bit then no more derailment s. It obviously the length of the train that does it not the rail itself. They are two light to go around bends and then start coming of the Rails at speed someone someday is going, to killed or serious hurt....
From uk
Csx go figure 🙄