Props to the guy with the P1 for taking that car on the track. Most people that buy that car would drive it once a month down to the car & coffee meet up to pretty much say to everyone "look how much money i have". But no this guy is using the car for what it is built to do, thats really awesome. And wow the speed difference is really what sets supercars and hypercars apart.
tmat04 Naw if the P1 driver was as skilled as the Z06 driver, he wouldn't have been caught up to at every corner. He braked too early and didn't corner aggressively enough, unlike the Z06 driver.
This is from the P1 owner and driver "1) The new z06 is damned impressive in capable hands (in this video I believe an experienced instructor was driving, and it shows!). At any point during the weekend I saw a c7 z06 being driven well I took note; it's a very quick car. Big respect. For the price, I think it's every bit as impressive as the TA Viper, which is a car I am a huge fan of. 2) Why is it always your slowest lap that somebody captures on a dash cam? Seriously I will never understand... 3) In the initial T12-15 section I will point out that there was a spun Carrera GT right next to the track. It seemed appropriate to slow down. Then traffic T15-19 - I am not trying to aggressively fill someone's mirrors with a P1 and increase the risk of something crazy happening in front of me. In fact I was very confused why the z06 was that darn close in that section when I was obviously slowing for the cgt and waiting on traffic, until I realized it was a solid driver (likely an instructor) driving. Then it made more sense. When I saw that car at other times it was still being driven quite well, but not quite this quick. In any case, big respect to driver and instructor and car. 4) Obviously I blew the brake point into t1. Whoops. Gotta exceed the limit to find it. 5) Regarding braking performance comments on the other thread, I would suggest that the 225 board into t12 is about the limit from 180+mph. I am leaving a bit on the table for obvious car preservation reasons (part of why I decided to give up the apex when I ran it too deep into t1 - not a race, why take any risk?). but in general the p1 brakes earlier because it's carrying that much more speed in. The p1 brakes are fantastic and exceed 1.7g sometimes into t1. 6) I'm no pro, and it shows. This was my first full event at COTA. Fun but challenging track! Ultimately figured it out (with some help!) and got down to a 2:23 rolling laptime which I was reasonably happy with. Car probably has another 3-4 seconds in it in pro hands, which I will try to chip away at in subsequent outings to close the gap a bit further. New tires may also help, these were my same tires from Laguna - but they didn't really fall off dramatically until the last session of the last day. All this talk about the Trofeo R falling off dramatically after just a few laps is silly. "
I could tell he just made a mistake in T1; we all do especially in a car reaching THAT amount of speed. It gets there before you know it. But the part that let me know he was experience was how he handled overshooting the brake point. He went straight until it finished braking and then turned even though he missed the apex.
Glad I read the description. Couldn't see the flames till I looked for it, but every time the P1 gets on it, that blue flame sits there like an afterburner.
Tofu - car has the Z07 package, manual transmission, running on MPSC 2s. Alex - lol! All - seeing and being on the track with the P1 was the ultimate treat!
Anyone with a Vette will not see any of these P1 out on the road because look at the price of one. Since the P1 has been created I have yet to see one. Also, that little V8 has twin turbos so power adders contribute to the 300 more ponies the vette has. Useless video since there is an obvious disadvantage between both cars. Bring something with the same horse power and then we can compare the apples to apples.
***** lol here`s a hint vette has 590rwhp with 15-18% trans loss that car makes 700bhp+ in engine that is so more like 200bhp more but it looks like the P1 has 500bhp more that was a rape..
Marco de la Peña BAHAHAHAHAH that my friend was putting it nicely LOL never seen a P1 driven so bad kudos for bringing it ou and all that shitt but he brkes literally 500yards before he needs and misses apex ALOT... good footage never the less
MrSpartan117fan ..yeah becuse its NOT a dragster. Corvette engineers designed the car to go around corners exceptionally and gave it so much downforce it has too much straight line drag resistance. Simple to fix. Mod, tune, Tons out there running over 700 rwhp. Buh Bye...Wow even with the baby seat and kids in the back seat the nismo AFTERMARKET nissan altima GTR is so zoom zoom. lol
blue thunder wow your a dumb ass no point arguing with you because your clearly an idiot 1 car has no engineering 2 that "altima" your jealous fuck will destroy your shitbox
MrSpartan117fan LMFAO.... Truth replonds with anger, Yeah I majored in psychology and you sound under 21 and drives daddys silver Maxima GTX? ;) .. Wow I guess I hurt your feelings about your Nissan Rogue.. Christ they build some of the ugliest no heart n soul vehicles in the World. YAWN.. bedtime.. Your lack of knowledge and educated factual reply spells buh bye. Whatcha drive punk? :) MUTE ..no time for dipshits RE: Don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Tired of these idiot kids that crawl out of some sinkhole? Be an adult and know your FACTS or don't post. Simple. Well not to some it seems. Have fun. zoom zoom :)
I personally prefer the manual as I like to be more involved with the car. The auto blip is a neat function. Manual isn't as fast, but with all the potential electronic aids, I would prefer to be more involved. Part of the driving fun. Will start working with the car with all aids off.
everyone always argues that auto/dual-clutch is faster but really by how much? i got my m3 in dct not for lap times but so i can drive around town without putting my coffee down :) the manual is more fun, though! enjoy the car and thanks for the video .. great footage!
Matthew S Realistically? Based on my experience, I'd say at least 0.5 seconds a lap, probably closer to a full second around our local track. That's a margin most racers would sell their grandmothers for. First, DSG can shift quicker and more consistently than almost anyone. Second, you can brake harder and trail off more smoothly when you're not dealing with a clutch. As an added bonus, when it's that easy to change gears, you shift more often to take advantage of the power band.
+americanalienboy .. first of all, I'm not arguing, I agree with you but I think this is an interesting subject that many people don't grasp (NOT referring to you. .5-1.0 second around a 1:30-2:30 (for example only) for the average Joe isn't much at all (although a lot of these jokers would probably still sell family for the right to brag about it). the average Joe probably has much more than .5-1.0s variation lap to lap (myself included). in a 10, 15, 50 lap race those tenths sure do count and I agree. I just wonder why the RUclips racers or even HPDE guys care so much about that .5s/lap. a) most people won't feel the difference b) no money involved, c) the lap times are still probably pretty inconsistent for most of us, d) HPDEs are about maximizing your equipment, not maximizing the fastest car allowed for a given event. I do think you and i probably are on the same page though and this is me throwing stuff out there, not arguing. personally, I got the DCT so a) I can drive around town and still hold my coffee,etc, bc that's what I'm using it for most often; b) when I DO take it to the track I don't have to worry about a money shift; c) the higher tech transmission seemed to fit the car's purpose better. the faster lap times are a nice (sounding) bonus, but practically speaking it doesn't to Jack for me (track day Joe). seat time with an advanced instructor is where I'll see my biggest improvements :)
evanescent03 I think we're on the same page. I just was mentioning what I thought the difference would be in times. I've instructed in E92 M3s, both manual and DCT. I enjoyed the DCT cars more. As you said, it fits the character of the car, and trying to get in touch with my inner Alonso is always good for a giggle. Your point about money shifts is a good one - I actually lost an engine at COTA a couple of years ago, due to some ham-handedness at the end of the back straight.
americanAlienBoy sorry about the money shift! i know a couple guys who have blown their e36 m3 motors .. and they are experienced so that was in my head when i was choosing the DCT on this car. i've only done about 16 HPDE days but they've been spread over 5 years, 3 cars, and 7 tracks, haha. a nice broad experience but i haven't gotten to really hone my skills or car(s). i still want to get a manual transmission car for the fun-factor but may stick (pun intended) to DCT/PDK for the track. with a couple little kiddos in diapers i'm having a hard time scheduling track days but i'm hoping to hit up COTA although it may not be until late '15 or early '16 before i can secure a day, and that's if i'm lucky, seems like spots are hard to come by. have fun out there and be safe! maybe i'll run into you sometime (not literally**)
From the thumbnail I assumed this was footage from a video game or something, especially with that bright yellow bar at the bottom of the screen. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was real, awesome video dude.
Considering the performance gap between the two cars you did all Corvette owners proud! And I think it's no question who is the better of the two pilots. Good driving!
I think the results were expected on the straights, considering the weight and power levels, but the cornering was a pleasant surprise to me. I'd hardly say you got smoked, but you got out muscled for sure! fun watch, thanks.
That P1 was sweet. It had almost another 500hp on the Z06 so I mean that is expected. Though he had a tough time shaking the Z06 off, the P1 is an engineering Marvel.
We can clearly see who is the better driver in this video. Not saying anything bad about the McLaren, but I think there is room for improvement on behalf of the driver of the P1.
Charles Johnson the fact that he completely blew by 1st corner, missed apexes and didnt use the full track shows that the P1 driver doesn't know the track. thats the first step for improvement. then, consistency to build up speed till the cars limit.
Great video. I see towards the end you were pushing to try and keep hold of that P1. It pulls hard. I didn't think the difference was that huge on the straight compared to an already fast car like yours. Wow.
They may be supercars, but they also are in different leagues with each other at the price point, material and engineering. I thought the Z06 kept a pretty good pace for being a middle class speed demon. Price of the McLaren P1 GTR: $3.36 million. Price of the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (even with the 3LZ pacage and fully upgraded): $117,025. I love McLaren and always have since the age of CanAm, but I'm more likely to see a Vette in my future than a P1.
Always nice to see the car doing what it was made for over some person being too afraid of damaging it and leaving in their garage practically unused. I have always loved Z06 Corvettes (wells Corvettes in general) but seeing a McLaren F1 or P1 is one of those once in a life time things. It's like if I was on my bike and I seen a nice car even though I know it would smoke my bike I'd still try to get it to race just to see it in action.
Is this Z06 equipped with Z07 package? According to the video, Z06 has some advantages at the first sector. If this Z06 is not equipped Z07 package, I think that the A8 Z07 with Z07 will be a litte faster than the stage1 or stage2 Z06 with M7. And, could you also give us some information about the heat soak problem? Did you feel that the power was reduced after you drove it for more than 20 minutes? Thank you.
That was interesting. I suspected you would cut time off of your previous lap following, but 5 seconds is a hell of a lot. Good job! Are you going to budget for grippier tires? With the downforce your car has you might get less scrub if you could find more mechanical grip.
And what have we learned? that mechanical grip outwins aerodynamical grip! The reason being that the corvette could almost keep up was the weight and mechanical grip at lower speed ;)
The driver of the P1 would really benefit from some track day lessons. His minimum corner speed is really low and his braking is all over the shop. When not overshooting his braking point, he's still on the brakes way past the apex of the corner. It takes no skill to stamp on a throttle on a straight. The Z06 is being driven very well though.
I'm no expert at all, but it seemed as if the driver of the P1 was either a bit too careful (wouldn't be so surprising though), not familiar with this track or with driving on a track in general. Before people will hammer me down for this: I'm pretty sure I'd drive 30 mph or something. I'm not claiming I can do any better, BUT I feels like if the Z06 driver was to drive a P1, he'd do way better. You can see in the first 1.5 mins how he closes in on the P1 in the corners, because the P1 drives wrong lines. Correct me if I'm wrong or share your thoughts with me. (could also be that the P1 was just not trying)
You hit all the proper points. It's a little of everything in the video. If you have read around about P1 it's a beast of a car. The average Joe can't get no way near the limits. 1 issue not stated here. P1 like Z06 must have some alignment and tires pressures set for track usage. Driver maybe in a street setup.
Jeffrey Williams Yes, agreed! I've read plenty of how the P1 demands some experience (and bravery haha) to be driven to its limitations. Though it doesn't seem to be drivent that way in this video! There is one guy who collects supercars and then rents them to people on track, who possesses the hypercar trio since a couple of weeks. Saw him driving around a track with a P1 on video, and he sure did try to drive on the edge haha!
Matthias Roobroeck Neither driver looked particularly fast although the Corvette driver did look better. That McLaren, in the hands of a reasonably good racing driver even amateur, would have gone away from the Corvette in the corners. I was on the track with an Enzo once in a spec racer ford. 4 of the SRF's lined up like chicks in a row behind the Enzo in corners because they guy just parked. Clearly that should have never happened. Same deal, not such a racy driver. With my experience being only in low power momentum cars I'm not sure I'd have pushed any limits in a McLaren I had to pay for either so I'm not criticizing anything but the idea that this has anything to do with the relative road merits of the respective cars.
Matthias Roobroeck yes i totally agree, the Z06 driver was much better at hitting the apex points and following the correct driving line for the circuit. The P1 driver didnt seem to be an expert.. looked like he/she was just having a bit of fun..
Agree with you. One point missing is how the P1 driver keeps on braking while turning into the corner. Brake first, turn second. That with the wrong lines sums up the situation. The Z06 driver is to be commended due to keeping the correct line. Both were yield because of the slower pace cars, that's a given. Although I believe with a another driver with a regular line and pace would leave the Z06 behind even in corners.
Not taking anything away from the P1 because its a technological marvel. But the Corvette is over a million cheaper, weighs more, has over 250 horepower less and has a manual gearbox, and is able to close in on one of the fastest cars in the world today. Thats still impressive to do even if the McLaren has a driver that doesnt know how to drive on a track. Both cars are amazing but id still take the ZO6 just because i feel like i got more to do with the experience then the P1. But id still love to drive one just to see how fast the sucker is. Great video though.
Thanks for posting this! The output from your PDR is impressive as is the P1 and your C7 Z06. AFAIK, participation at an event like this at COTA can cost quite a bit (car costs, participation costs, tires, logistics, etc), but it's not a race and includes driver briefings on allowable passing zones. Was the silver C6 you passed on the straights a ZR1? What kind of briefing did you go through?
[ ... big expletive deleted.] How QUICK is that McLaren on the straights? It doesn't seem to get through corners as well as the 'Vette, but there could be a number of reasons for that, but cheeses! Does it haul up the straights or what?!
Adam S yeah the 918 is more of a extremley powerful electric hybrid than the p1. Your seeing more turbo power on the straight than actual electrictorque power when its going down the straight.
Jeffrey Williams i dont know why an auto group in your country cant get together and build cars like the p1 unless you do you will be eating its dirt forever
fred wilson I see you haven't heard of the SP-200 SIN. A small group in Las Vegas is attempting to do such. None of this weak stuff of 900,1000 or 1500hp,lol. This car is claimed at 2400hp. 1650hp from 9.0L TT V8 and 750hp from e-motor. Top speed is said of 280mph. Weight will be around 3800lbs. 60 miles of e- range not this 6,12 or 20 others are claiming. P1 and others will be eating Regera's dirt if Christian get all together properly.
William Seroyer Because its made to be as light and fast as possible, the engineers are not going to add any weight that is unnecessary, but i will agree the in built dashcam is something normal cars should come standard with nowadays.
except for the 400lbs of batterys, and the fact that the car has A/C and leather. really the few grams that a dash cam will add is basically will make no difference, the car comes in at 3,280 lb thats a pretty heavy sports car in my book, and the P1 is not a very big car, the F1 was 2,509 to me the p1 might be a bit of step away from being an out and out striped out race car for the street compared to the F1.
William Seroyer When it comes to supercars. few grams always MATTER. The mazda MX5 had a lighter rear view mirror which are just few grams lighter than the previous one and yet the engineers did absolutely everything to make it lighter, you think they would not do the same for a supercar? Batteries are there to ADD power. Leather? P1 does not have leather, what are you talking about? As for AC, you are going to buy a million pound supercar without AC?
Track day in Austin, that circuit is awesome! On the same track as F1 with a Mclaren P1 wow that is some fun :D That spoiler on the Porsche looks like a toy compare to P1
the fact that the guy who owns a 1 million dollar p1 races it on a track. and risk not only his 1 million invested but also his life too. a corvette cost how much 60k? to keep up or even in sight of something worth a cool mil more than just impresses me. i wish i could own a c7 zo6..........damn. thats all you can say about it. no other words can express how bad-ass this car is and is capable of.
What you saw is British Engineering vs American Engineering. The Z06 caught P1 in corners becasue the P1 Driver was driving cautious in corners & also braking early in straights.
Then clearly American engineering wins because it can achieve almost similar performance for less than 1/10 of the price, with 300 HP less and a manual transmission (which is for real drivers).
I thought the Z06 was slow, until i saw the speedometer. Z06 is fast, but that P1 is just mental! If you asked me, Z06 for me anytime. That P1 is too scary for me..
It looks like the guy driving the Corvette is actually a much better driver than the one in P1. Notice how he still 'keeps up' with P1 after the straights - he is definitely faster when it comes to cornering. If it wasn't for the sheer power output of P1, then it would be the P1 driver who would probably 'get smoked'.
I would be more interested to see these two cars run without traffic. The z06 makes up the most ground when they catch up to traffic. Also we have no way to know how much time both drivers have spent with their cars or how well they know Cota. I've only driven Cota on my Xbox and if you miss turn 3 your off line until turn 8. Plus lets just say that the drivers previous cars were the 12c and c6 z06. The jump in the mclarens is huge compared to the vettes and I would assume it would take longer to get used too. Let's not focus on the fact the vette was closing in on the p1 and more that we get to see both of these amazing cars on the track
LMAO! are you stupid or just dumb? A car that does 6 minutes in Nuremburg is slower than z06? Smoke some more of your Sheesha and you may as well lose that last brain cell which made your write that line. LOL!
Looks like the guy in the Vette is the better driver, but man, look at that P1 blast off on those straights!!!! To leave a 650hp car in the dust like that!!
Experience or bravery had the Vette catching up on the corners. I realize the direct injection on the new Vette's has proven challenging for tuners, but early LS motors can cheaply make 12-1300 Hp. I'm curious how the Vette would do with twice the power and more down force. The P1 is drop dead gorgeous though.
Fair enough. I can image Hennessy watching this video and getting a small smile. The GM engineers have stated this engine is capable of 1000 HP. It won't be long before Hennessy has the Z06 C7 ready for a rematch.....
Awesome. Reminds me of the time a Ferrari and Ford GT blew past me in my Lotus Exige S at Cal Speedway. $$$ always wins haha. z06 needs auto-wing like the p1. z07 aero really slows it down on straights.
Great video, the P1 is clearly an amazing car. The P1 driver though... should have spent more money on driver training. The most effective car mod is upgrading the nut behind the wheel.
Awesome! Good driving in the Z06. Think the guy driving the P1 might have been intimidated by the power. I cant blame him...that thing would scare most people to death.
I don't believe they allow passing in corners during track days, which would explain why the P1 was held behind the slower car until the straight away!!
Fuzz83 Passing in corners is usually allowed in all except the novice group at Chin Motorsports events. They appear to be following novice group passing rules.
Props to the guy with the P1 for taking that car on the track. Most people that buy that car would drive it once a month down to the car & coffee meet up to pretty much say to everyone "look how much money i have". But no this guy is using the car for what it is built to do, thats really awesome. And wow the speed difference is really what sets supercars and hypercars apart.
true n thats where i saw 3 p1s. lol
The P1 is definitely a faster car, but the guy in the corvette was a much better driver.
+1
The P1 driver was better to me! Twice the driver of the Z06 left the track.
harshlens You can't necessarily say that: the P1 is more of a handful to drive than the Z06 from everything I've read.
tmat04 Naw if the P1 driver was as skilled as the Z06 driver, he wouldn't have been caught up to at every corner. He braked too early and didn't corner aggressively enough, unlike the Z06 driver.
Gets real when that wing goes down. Great vid and definitely a great feature on the vette
This is from the P1 owner and driver
"1) The new z06 is damned impressive in capable hands (in this video I believe an experienced instructor was driving, and it shows!). At any point during the weekend I saw a c7 z06 being driven well I took note; it's a very quick car. Big respect. For the price, I think it's every bit as impressive as the TA Viper, which is a car I am a huge fan of.
2) Why is it always your slowest lap that somebody captures on a dash cam? Seriously I will never understand...
3) In the initial T12-15 section I will point out that there was a spun Carrera GT right next to the track. It seemed appropriate to slow down. Then traffic T15-19 - I am not trying to aggressively fill someone's mirrors with a P1 and increase the risk of something crazy happening in front of me. In fact I was very confused why the z06 was that darn close in that section when I was obviously slowing for the cgt and waiting on traffic, until I realized it was a solid driver (likely an instructor) driving. Then it made more sense. When I saw that car at other times it was still being driven quite well, but not quite this quick. In any case, big respect to driver and instructor and car.
4) Obviously I blew the brake point into t1. Whoops. Gotta exceed the limit to find it.
5) Regarding braking performance comments on the other thread, I would suggest that the 225 board into t12 is about the limit from 180+mph. I am leaving a bit on the table for obvious car preservation reasons (part of why I decided to give up the apex when I ran it too deep into t1 - not a race, why take any risk?). but in general the p1 brakes earlier because it's carrying that much more speed in. The p1 brakes are fantastic and exceed 1.7g sometimes into t1.
6) I'm no pro, and it shows. This was my first full event at COTA. Fun but challenging track! Ultimately figured it out (with some help!) and got down to a 2:23 rolling laptime which I was reasonably happy with. Car probably has another 3-4 seconds in it in pro hands, which I will try to chip away at in subsequent outings to close the gap a bit further. New tires may also help, these were my same tires from Laguna - but they didn't really fall off dramatically until the last session of the last day. All this talk about the Trofeo R falling off dramatically after just a few laps is silly. "
I could tell he just made a mistake in T1; we all do especially in a car reaching THAT amount of speed. It gets there before you know it. But the part that let me know he was experience was how he handled overshooting the brake point. He went straight until it finished braking and then turned even though he missed the apex.
Glad I read the description. Couldn't see the flames till I looked for it, but every time the P1 gets on it, that blue flame sits there like an afterburner.
Tofu - car has the Z07 package, manual transmission, running on MPSC 2s. Alex - lol! All - seeing and being on the track with the P1 was the ultimate treat!
The guy in the McLaren doesn't know how to drive properly at COTA
Marco de la Peña
true dat ! lmfao
Anyone with a Vette will not see any of these P1 out on the road because look at the price of one. Since the P1 has been created I have yet to see one. Also, that little V8 has twin turbos so power adders contribute to the 300 more ponies the vette has. Useless video since there is an obvious disadvantage between both cars. Bring something with the same horse power and then we can compare the apples to apples.
***** lol here`s a hint vette has 590rwhp with 15-18% trans loss that car makes 700bhp+ in engine that is so more like 200bhp more but it looks like the P1 has 500bhp more that was a rape..
Marco de la Peña BAHAHAHAHAH that my friend was putting it nicely LOL never seen a P1 driven so bad kudos for bringing it ou and all that shitt but he brkes literally 500yards before he needs and misses apex ALOT... good footage never the less
Haha damn, hard to imagine a car leaving the Z06 like it was standing still, but awesome footage. Looks like a lot of fun!
GT-R nismo leaves the zo6 on some straights..
MrSpartan117fan Barely.
MrSpartan117fan ..yeah becuse its NOT a dragster. Corvette engineers designed the car to go around corners exceptionally and gave it so much downforce it has too much straight line drag resistance. Simple to fix. Mod, tune, Tons out there running over 700 rwhp. Buh Bye...Wow even with the baby seat and kids in the back seat the nismo AFTERMARKET nissan altima GTR is so zoom zoom. lol
blue thunder
wow your a dumb ass no point arguing with you because your clearly an idiot 1 car has no engineering 2 that "altima" your jealous fuck will destroy your shitbox
MrSpartan117fan LMFAO.... Truth replonds with anger, Yeah I majored in psychology and you sound under 21 and drives daddys silver Maxima GTX? ;) .. Wow I guess I hurt your feelings about your Nissan Rogue.. Christ they build some of the ugliest no heart n soul vehicles in the World. YAWN.. bedtime.. Your lack of knowledge and educated factual reply spells buh bye. Whatcha drive punk? :) MUTE ..no time for dipshits RE: Don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Tired of these idiot kids that crawl out of some sinkhole? Be an adult and know your FACTS or don't post. Simple. Well not to some it seems. Have fun. zoom zoom :)
Great day for the Corvettes! Thanks for sharing the video! Keep them coming!
Funny thing is that everyone on the internet is a driving instructor...
Yea lol
God, loved the way that spoiler went down and the p1 just flew away on the first straight... Beautiful!
I personally prefer the manual as I like to be more involved with the car. The auto blip is a neat function. Manual isn't as fast, but with all the potential electronic aids, I would prefer to be more involved. Part of the driving fun. Will start working with the car with all aids off.
everyone always argues that auto/dual-clutch is faster but really by how much? i got my m3 in dct not for lap times but so i can drive around town without putting my coffee down :) the manual is more fun, though!
enjoy the car and thanks for the video .. great footage!
Matthew S
Realistically? Based on my experience, I'd say at least 0.5 seconds a lap, probably closer to a full second around our local track. That's a margin most racers would sell their grandmothers for. First, DSG can shift quicker and more consistently than almost anyone. Second, you can brake harder and trail off more smoothly when you're not dealing with a clutch. As an added bonus, when it's that easy to change gears, you shift more often to take advantage of the power band.
+americanalienboy .. first of all, I'm not arguing, I agree with you but I think this is an interesting subject that many people don't grasp (NOT referring to you.
.5-1.0 second around a 1:30-2:30 (for example only) for the average Joe isn't much at all (although a lot of these jokers would probably still sell family for the right to brag about it). the average Joe probably has much more than .5-1.0s variation lap to lap (myself included). in a 10, 15, 50 lap race those tenths sure do count and I agree. I just wonder why the RUclips racers or even HPDE guys care so much about that .5s/lap. a) most people won't feel the difference b) no money involved, c) the lap times are still probably pretty inconsistent for most of us, d) HPDEs are about maximizing your equipment, not maximizing the fastest car allowed for a given event.
I do think you and i probably are on the same page though and this is me throwing stuff out there, not arguing.
personally, I got the DCT so a) I can drive around town and still hold my coffee,etc, bc that's what I'm using it for most often; b) when I DO take it to the track I don't have to worry about a money shift; c) the higher tech transmission seemed to fit the car's purpose better.
the faster lap times are a nice (sounding) bonus, but practically speaking it doesn't to Jack for me (track day Joe). seat time with an advanced instructor is where I'll see my biggest improvements :)
evanescent03
I think we're on the same page. I just was mentioning what I thought the difference would be in times.
I've instructed in E92 M3s, both manual and DCT. I enjoyed the DCT cars more. As you said, it fits the character of the car, and trying to get in touch with my inner Alonso is always good for a giggle.
Your point about money shifts is a good one - I actually lost an engine at COTA a couple of years ago, due to some ham-handedness at the end of the back straight.
americanAlienBoy
sorry about the money shift! i know a couple guys who have blown their e36 m3 motors .. and they are experienced so that was in my head when i was choosing the DCT on this car. i've only done about 16 HPDE days but they've been spread over 5 years, 3 cars, and 7 tracks, haha. a nice broad experience but i haven't gotten to really hone my skills or car(s). i still want to get a manual transmission car for the fun-factor but may stick (pun intended) to DCT/PDK for the track.
with a couple little kiddos in diapers i'm having a hard time scheduling track days but i'm hoping to hit up COTA although it may not be until late '15 or early '16 before i can secure a day, and that's if i'm lucky, seems like spots are hard to come by.
have fun out there and be safe! maybe i'll run into you sometime (not literally**)
From the thumbnail I assumed this was footage from a video game or something, especially with that bright yellow bar at the bottom of the screen. I was pleasantly surprised to see it was real, awesome video dude.
Considering the performance gap between the two cars you did all Corvette owners proud! And I think it's no question who is the better of the two pilots. Good driving!
Kids, when the rear wing folds down on the P1 that means it's time for grownup speed.
That is an awesome on-board camera/data set up!
McLaren P1 is just phenomenonal.
I think the results were expected on the straights, considering the weight and power levels, but the cornering was a pleasant surprise to me. I'd hardly say you got smoked, but you got out muscled for sure! fun watch, thanks.
That P1 was sweet. It had almost another 500hp on the Z06 so I mean that is expected. Though he had a tough time shaking the Z06 off, the P1 is an engineering Marvel.
I believe had it had a clear lane from the start it would have been gone even then but it is a marvel thats for sure
500hp more?? try about half of that. 903 - 650 = 253hp
My rudimentary math was off.. Well it had about 500hp and torque combined. Regardless 253hp is a Ford Focus ST racing a human being.
Might be close on in HP (which i dont look at) but torque at the wheels is well over 1000 thus the insane acceleration
Sea Tac Assassin P1 only has 722lb/ft, not 1000, the Z06 has 650lb/ft,
The Z06 got great sound. I like it. I have many Porsche including the GT3RS but this time the new Z06. I think i like to try it.
Great driving!! keeping up/catching up to the P1 in the corners.
Bravo! Both of the cars. Different class, different race driver and almost 200bhp difference in both car.
When I saw the P1... I knew this was going to be some great competition!
900 hp P1. Insanity. Great footage from the cam!
We can clearly see who is the better driver in this video. Not saying anything bad about the McLaren, but I think there is room for improvement on behalf of the driver of the P1.
Charles Johnson the fact that he completely blew by 1st corner, missed apexes and didnt use the full track shows that the P1 driver doesn't know the track. thats the first step for improvement. then, consistency to build up speed till the cars limit.
This guy can drive... nice lines. Props to keep up with that thing, man.
Great video. I see towards the end you were pushing to try and keep hold of that P1. It pulls hard. I didn't think the difference was that huge on the straight compared to an already fast car like yours. Wow.
Track day at COTA? I would like more details on this please.
They may be supercars, but they also are in different leagues with each other at the price point, material and engineering. I thought the Z06 kept a pretty good pace for being a middle class speed demon. Price of the McLaren P1 GTR: $3.36 million. Price of the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (even with the 3LZ pacage and fully upgraded): $117,025. I love McLaren and always have since the age of CanAm, but I'm more likely to see a Vette in my future than a P1.
Always nice to see the car doing what it was made for over some person being too afraid of damaging it and leaving in their garage practically unused. I have always loved Z06 Corvettes (wells Corvettes in general) but seeing a McLaren F1 or P1 is one of those once in a life time things. It's like if I was on my bike and I seen a nice car even though I know it would smoke my bike I'd still try to get it to race just to see it in action.
Nice! you must be pretty happy with the ZO6, It looked like it did a decent job at the track!
Kudos to the p1 driver for actually taking it to the track rather than keeping it stored in a fancy garage!
The acceleration of that p1 is purely insane
As much as I love Corvettes I can easily admit that it’s outclassed here
sick track ! and did the z06 pull timing ?
Is this Z06 equipped with Z07 package? According to the video, Z06 has some advantages at the first sector. If this Z06 is not equipped Z07 package, I think that the A8 Z07 with Z07 will be a litte faster than the stage1 or stage2 Z06 with M7. And, could you also give us some information about the heat soak problem? Did you feel that the power was reduced after you drove it for more than 20 minutes? Thank you.
That was interesting. I suspected you would cut time off of your previous lap following, but 5 seconds is a hell of a lot. Good job!
Are you going to budget for grippier tires? With the downforce your car has you might get less scrub if you could find more mechanical grip.
And what have we learned? that mechanical grip outwins aerodynamical grip! The reason being that the corvette could almost keep up was the weight and mechanical grip at lower speed ;)
The driver of the P1 would really benefit from some track day lessons. His minimum corner speed is really low and his braking is all over the shop. When not overshooting his braking point, he's still on the brakes way past the apex of the corner. It takes no skill to stamp on a throttle on a straight.
The Z06 is being driven very well though.
I'm no expert at all, but it seemed as if the driver of the P1 was either a bit too careful (wouldn't be so surprising though), not familiar with this track or with driving on a track in general. Before people will hammer me down for this: I'm pretty sure I'd drive 30 mph or something. I'm not claiming I can do any better, BUT I feels like if the Z06 driver was to drive a P1, he'd do way better. You can see in the first 1.5 mins how he closes in on the P1 in the corners, because the P1 drives wrong lines. Correct me if I'm wrong or share your thoughts with me. (could also be that the P1 was just not trying)
You hit all the proper points. It's a little of everything in the video. If you have read around about P1 it's a beast of a car. The average Joe can't get no way near the limits. 1 issue not stated here. P1 like Z06 must have some alignment and tires pressures set for track usage. Driver maybe in a street setup.
Jeffrey Williams
Yes, agreed! I've read plenty of how the P1 demands some experience (and bravery haha) to be driven to its limitations. Though it doesn't seem to be drivent that way in this video! There is one guy who collects supercars and then rents them to people on track, who possesses the hypercar trio since a couple of weeks. Saw him driving around a track with a P1 on video, and he sure did try to drive on the edge haha!
Matthias Roobroeck Neither driver looked particularly fast although the Corvette driver did look better. That McLaren, in the hands of a reasonably good racing driver even amateur, would have gone away from the Corvette in the corners. I was on the track with an Enzo once in a spec racer ford. 4 of the SRF's lined up like chicks in a row behind the Enzo in corners because they guy just parked. Clearly that should have never happened. Same deal, not such a racy driver. With my experience being only in low power momentum cars I'm not sure I'd have pushed any limits in a McLaren I had to pay for either so I'm not criticizing anything but the idea that this has anything to do with the relative road merits of the respective cars.
Matthias Roobroeck yes i totally agree, the Z06 driver was much better at hitting the apex points and following the correct driving line for the circuit. The P1 driver didnt seem to be an expert.. looked like he/she was just having a bit of fun..
Agree with you. One point missing is how the P1 driver keeps on braking while turning into the corner. Brake first, turn second. That with the wrong lines sums up the situation.
The Z06 driver is to be commended due to keeping the correct line.
Both were yield because of the slower pace cars, that's a given. Although I believe with a another driver with a regular line and pace would leave the Z06 behind even in corners.
Not taking anything away from the P1 because its a technological marvel. But the Corvette is over a million cheaper, weighs more, has over 250 horepower less and has a manual gearbox, and is able to close in on one of the fastest cars in the world today. Thats still impressive to do even if the McLaren has a driver that doesnt know how to drive on a track. Both cars are amazing but id still take the ZO6 just because i feel like i got more to do with the experience then the P1. But id still love to drive one just to see how fast the sucker is. Great video though.
That's a 400hp difference for ya. I wonder if GM will do a hybrid system like the P1 and 918 with the Zora?
Thanks for posting this! The output from your PDR is impressive as is the P1 and your C7 Z06. AFAIK, participation at an event like this at COTA can cost quite a bit (car costs, participation costs, tires, logistics, etc), but it's not a race and includes driver briefings on allowable passing zones. Was the silver C6 you passed on the straights a ZR1? What kind of briefing did you go through?
Why does it so long for the Corvette to rev to redline?
Z06 driver knew his racing line and limits on braking and power...kudos.
Fantastic video!
for a car that is 1/10th the price from the other , im calling this a pretty fair catch up , i always loved vettes, specially the new models
On the hard corners but that's about it.
P1 driver isn't really pushing it in the corners, but with 903 HP, can you blame him haha
Quentin Freeman Obviously these stupid us kids haven`t brain to figure out what driver mod is..
Steve Hash I see, I mean the ZO6 is a respectable car, but to actually believe it can corner like a P1 is foolish
Quentin Freeman and loads of physics lol
love both these cars, and would definitely jump into either one in a heart beat
[ ... big expletive deleted.] How QUICK is that McLaren on the straights? It doesn't seem to get through corners as well as the 'Vette, but there could be a number of reasons for that, but cheeses! Does it haul up the straights or what?!
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That's a great video!
Following p1 with a z06 wich is the 1/15 price of the P1!!
Mission accepted :-D !!
Both great cars!! P1 is a beast!!
Great POV video! Thanks for letting us all ride shotgun!!
omg the driver must be having fun in that badass P1 :D
FREDRICK
THANKS FOR SHARING
YOUR Z06 IS A GREAT CAR. HERES TO MANY HAPPY MILES
NICE LINES THROUGH COTA BTW
I was like WTF graphics looks so Fantastic
Good see P1 on tracks. Strait line speed looks like a nitrous 300 shot,lol.
I seriously lol'd when I read this. So true.
It basically is...just with electric power instead of nitrous.
Adam S yeah the 918 is more of a extremley powerful electric hybrid than the p1. Your seeing more turbo power on the straight than actual electrictorque power when its going down the straight.
Jeffrey Williams i dont know why an auto group in your country cant get together and build cars like the p1 unless you do you will be eating its dirt forever
fred wilson I see you haven't heard of the SP-200 SIN. A small group in Las Vegas is attempting to do such. None of this weak stuff of 900,1000 or 1500hp,lol. This car is claimed at 2400hp. 1650hp from 9.0L TT V8 and 750hp from e-motor. Top speed is said of 280mph. Weight will be around 3800lbs. 60 miles of e- range not this 6,12 or 20 others are claiming.
P1 and others will be eating Regera's dirt if Christian get all together properly.
I think it really cool that Chevy built a dash cam into the Z06, its to bad McLaren didn't think to do the same.
Why do you say McLaren "didn't think to do the same"? You sure it was an oversight?
idk, seems like a pretty good idea to me, if you going to make the fastest track car in the world why not put a camera in it so you film your laps.
William Seroyer Because its made to be as light and fast as possible, the engineers are not going to add any weight that is unnecessary, but i will agree the in built dashcam is something normal cars should come standard with nowadays.
except for the 400lbs of batterys, and the fact that the car has A/C and leather. really the few grams that a dash cam will add is basically will make no difference, the car comes in at 3,280 lb thats a pretty heavy sports car in my book, and the P1 is not a very big car, the F1 was 2,509 to me the p1 might be a bit of step away from being an out and out striped out race car for the street compared to the F1.
William Seroyer When it comes to supercars. few grams always MATTER.
The mazda MX5 had a lighter rear view mirror which are just few grams lighter than the previous one and yet the engineers did absolutely everything to make it lighter, you think they would not do the same for a supercar?
Batteries are there to ADD power. Leather? P1 does not have leather, what are you talking about? As for AC, you are going to buy a million pound supercar without AC?
Track day in Austin, that circuit is awesome! On the same track as F1 with a Mclaren P1 wow that is some fun :D
That spoiler on the Porsche looks like a toy compare to P1
Nico Rosberg made 1,46 on this track right ? ^^
Seeing that P1 hit the front straight all i have to say is.. He Gone!
That's what 300hp more does
ClumzyThief666 That's what the electric torque do too
I think the vette has the p1 on cornering though..
Certainly keeps up with it,but there was some traffic at times.It would be an interesting track battle (On a twisty circuit )
Definitely, but big straights forget it..
2:30 that spoiler flip.. is like ''fuck you mode activated''
What a good driver! Compliments!
the fact that the guy who owns a 1 million dollar p1 races it on a track. and risk not only his 1 million invested but also his life too. a corvette cost how much 60k? to keep up or even in sight of something worth a cool mil more than just impresses me. i wish i could own a c7 zo6..........damn. thats all you can say about it. no other words can express how bad-ass this car is and is capable of.
What you saw is British Engineering vs American Engineering.
The Z06 caught P1 in corners becasue the P1 Driver was driving cautious in corners & also braking early in straights.
Then clearly American engineering wins because it can achieve almost similar performance for less than 1/10 of the price, with 300 HP less and a manual transmission (which is for real drivers).
Protector of the Republic By price I agree. P1 is costlier.
But you need to look the future and how cars are going to be.
Which videogame is this?
impressive pull on the P1
Good fun video to start the day.
Watching the Mclaren braking THROUGH the corners lets you know it's not being driven to it's full potential.
I thought the Z06 was slow, until i saw the speedometer. Z06 is fast, but that P1 is just mental! If you asked me, Z06 for me anytime. That P1 is too scary for me..
It looks like the guy driving the Corvette is actually a much better driver than the one in P1. Notice how he still 'keeps up' with P1 after the straights - he is definitely faster when it comes to cornering. If it wasn't for the sheer power output of P1, then it would be the P1 driver who would probably 'get smoked'.
This was fun to watch!!!!
What is the name of that game?
I would be more interested to see these two cars run without traffic. The z06 makes up the most ground when they catch up to traffic. Also we have no way to know how much time both drivers have spent with their cars or how well they know Cota. I've only driven Cota on my Xbox and if you miss turn 3 your off line until turn 8. Plus lets just say that the drivers previous cars were the 12c and c6 z06. The jump in the mclarens is huge compared to the vettes and I would assume it would take longer to get used too. Let's not focus on the fact the vette was closing in on the p1 and more that we get to see both of these amazing cars on the track
What was that white thing in the way?
Some Porsche. Not sure which model.
Its a Porsche Cayman S
the Z06 looks better in handling and braking than the P1
You couldn't be more wrong.
Thanks for the joke...
That's because the Z06 has a better driver.
LMAO! are you stupid or just dumb? A car that does 6 minutes in Nuremburg is slower than z06? Smoke some more of your Sheesha and you may as well lose that last brain cell which made your write that line. LOL!
The z06 is not as fast as the P1 but it has ! better stopping distance of just 91ft!
Nice run man!
Nice driving Frederick. Would be more entertaining if the P1 driver gave you his car for a lap.
Looks like the guy in the Vette is the better driver, but man, look at that P1 blast off on those straights!!!! To leave a 650hp car in the dust like that!!
Wow, the corvette is one of the best Handling and fastest cars in the world and the P1 ate it for lunch.
Experience or bravery had the Vette catching up on the corners. I realize the direct injection on the new Vette's has proven challenging for tuners, but early LS motors can cheaply make 12-1300 Hp. I'm curious how the Vette would do with twice the power and more down force. The P1 is drop dead gorgeous though.
The Zo6 is the proper goodbye to the front engined Corvettes! Go out with a bang!
That's some feat of engineering right there
Great video, but I'm really not convinced this is a C7 Z07. Definitely seems like either a C6 or a C7 stingray.
I gotta get out there.
Not a Mclaren fan but wow that thing is fast! And the Porsche 918 is even faster!!! Makes me a little humble with my C6 ZR1!
This is what every trackday looks like from an FR-S
Fair enough. I can image Hennessy watching this video and getting a small smile. The GM engineers have stated this engine is capable of 1000 HP. It won't be long before Hennessy has the Z06 C7 ready for a rematch.....
Awesome. Reminds me of the time a Ferrari and Ford GT blew past me in my Lotus Exige S at Cal Speedway. $$$ always wins haha. z06 needs auto-wing like the p1. z07 aero really slows it down on straights.
same thing I've been saying
Good Lord the P1 is fast!
Great video, the P1 is clearly an amazing car. The P1 driver though... should have spent more money on driver training. The most effective car mod is upgrading the nut behind the wheel.
C7Z? Idk... I was hitting the same mph on the back straight in a CTS-V Wagon...
The Z06 has so much aero that it has about the same top speed as a standard C7.
That was NOT a 2015 Corvette!
Damn! The P1 just disappears in the straights! wow
Need a C7R , The P1 sure has the power.. Seems like the Vette was a little better in the turns and on braking..
craziest part is he's not even pushing that mclaren at all he's just accelerating out of corners lol
Awesome! Good driving in the Z06. Think the guy driving the P1 might have been intimidated by the power. I cant blame him...that thing would scare most people to death.
PS SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS LOCK
This was a great weekend to bad we had to have Rain during it.
The Z06 seemed faster than the P1 in the corners. Down the long stretch, 650bhp and more weight, it was no match for the P1.
That's an incredibly fast car vs. a P1.
I don't believe they allow passing in corners during track days, which would explain why the P1 was held behind the slower car until the straight away!!
Fuzz83 Passing in corners is usually allowed in all except the novice group at Chin Motorsports events. They appear to be following novice group passing rules.