Combat addons should never be a thing, plain and simple, same as macro auto-rotations and all that. Maybe I'm a boomer mmo player but I prefer learning things by reacting at what a boss does. Than a f-ing pop up or a random voice in my head telling me "RUN, SPREAD, GET AWAY" bullsh-. Might as well play a mobile game with auto-play in it.
What annoys me is that raid leaders will tell you it's REQUIRED for raiding in CLASSIC when you've been farming it for months, literally MC or BWL even tho it's the same raid group every time. And the addon says who doesn't have the addon in the raid. Its a real shame the community is like this cause raids in retail are really fun without addons (classic raids are just meant to be cleared, the fun is the items being pulled up like rare Pokemon cards)
Random drop in raids maybe is exiting until you do 100 runs and cant get the thing. Citerion maybe is not that great (because you can get mount from market board) but i love variant even if those 12 runs dont take that much time.
More wow players forcing them selves to believe wow looks better. Neither game looks great but you're actually blind. Wow players sayong 14 should improve graphics while saying wow is fine is astounding
I think FFXIV could very much improve as some of the criticism is very valid in what they said. Granted people saying "Wow graphics are fine, FFXIV isn't" are at best disliking FFXIV for their stylization and at worst delusional
@@zugetzuzu 14 has plenty of room for improvement gameplay wise. But wow stans are crazy thinking wow actually looks better. Both look outdated as hell. But wow looks even older. Like you said its probably more of a style difference but still a wild take
Bro, I play ff14 exclusively and even I can admit Wow looks better. The color, shading, lighting are all superior. The environments feel alive. FF feels like ps2/3 game. The zones feel like plastic and dull.
I'm european and always play on NA servers. The slower gcds and the small delays made the game playable. In WoW there's no addon to help you lower your ping and vpns are banned. Every class with a significant amount of instacasts is completely unplayable for me, the gcds won't stop desyncing and going back in time, it's impossible to keep track of which gcds are getting to the server and going off and which ones aren't when your gcds are resetting twice every 1.5 seconds.
I want to get in ff but raiding is hard for me to anticipate. I'm not feeling the instant spawn into a random bright shape in the middle of a void setup
The 3 second tick rate is specifically only for dots and hots. The tickrate is something like 24 per second or something like that so. So tickrate isn't the problem, it's that the feedback loop is completely out of wack. Click button > send command to server > server verifies and executes > server sends back information > execution of command is registered and allows you to register another command (and ever action having a .5 sec lockout + is ping x 2 delay). TBH, I don't really dislike the .5 sec lockout, it's different but not bad, the problem is the ping delay, which makes Machinist or Monk horrible to play on (150+ ping for Machinist or 75+ ping on Monk, if you want to double weave)
Just for future reference, 3 sec tick rate means the server only ticks once per 3 seconds, that'd be next to impossible to have unless the game is almost entirely client side with very little input on the server side
FF14 is really lacking midcore content for me to really stick around in the game tbh. I enjoy some of the aesthetics, the jobs are a mixed bag for me. I have a fair number of issues with them so much so that the only real job I somewhat like is SMN since it doesn't have nearly as much bad button bloat with many redundant skills, but I could be more ok with it all if I just had more fun content that I want to do. I'm not a super casual just wanting really easy stuff, RP and just roaming around taking screen shots, but I don't really care to do ultimate raids either.
I really wish Ff fans won’t shit on savix solely for the fact he made one of the best ffxiv fan vids ever. Doesn’t matter how he feels about the game now, that thing was a work of art and made with love.
Sane take. both games are old and have own style. Each game wants something from one another. (example housing/transmog collection system). Using Addons for FFXIV to make game look better. Using Addons in WoW to perform better and QoL stuff. Kept it short and sweet for all to read.
most ppl dont want addons beside raiders and in all mmorpgs in the last 5 to 7 years raiders dont make up more then 20% of the playerbase tops even less now where it not even 10 %
There's a lot more in this video, I think it's worth the watch to anyone interested. It's more of a conversation on the worst parts of FFXIV as opposed to a comparison of WoW vs. XIV like the title suggests.
@@anteprs7908 I think this is a very wow centered/wow raider take. In FFXIV visual, character customization etc is very common to use for even casual players (a perfect example is one of my FC mates who mostly just take pictures and do MSQ/try to get specific glam pieces or RP exclusively uses mods 10 different mods to update her character model to look better/the environment look better), despite it being against TOS. Some also use combat add-ons but it's rather rare (if we exclude the parsing program, otherwise if we include it, it's very prominent). In WoW, from my understanding as a 19 year veteran of the game, mostly just use QOL, UI and combat mods for the most part, some of which were very questionable and almost mandatory to complete certain fights (looking at you as the most prominent one Mythic Archimonde)
I'm a top ten player in ffxiv and a gladiator in wow, the pvp is night and day, the difference is mainly the server tick from ffxiv being shit still, while wow's pvp devs dont know their own classes that theyre buffing/nerfing.
i've cleared 3 ultimates myself and still raid once weekly with friends in FF but nothing hits like a piece of loot in wow. FF always missed that mark for me.
Point being that loot feels good to get if it's for yourself, but it comes at the expense of someone else. FFXIV doesn't do that to its own players. WoW wants your time, so they can design raids that takes 30 over people committing weeks and months to clear it. FFXIV doesn't want to gatekeep their players, so they make raids with 8-man but tuned its difficulty to the max. This is why elitism exists more in WoW than in FFXIV(FFXIV still has them, but not a prevalent consensus), because to do endgame content in WoW takes heavy commitment, and you can't have someone else wasting your keys and time. Both MMO designs has their pros and cons.
I fully agree with you, but I am more frustrated when the piece of loot I want doesn't drop for the 7th week in a row than I'd ever be with FFXIV. It's a trade off. Either you have the frustration and euphoria of loot drops or you have the consistency of something like FFXIV. I know that for me, I just get angry/annoyed more so than it feels great to get the piece so I prefer the latter system of loot
Imo ESO (early) i guess classic? Lol is better than ff14... the PvP was the closest thing to wow, shaiya, KAL Online I have experienced in a very long time.
Also being crystal in pvp doesnt mean squat shit, there are plenty of crystal players that are not in the top 100, albeit cc is currently way worse than feast ever was. Discouraging TRUE good players of the game.
Was top 1 for a solid few days when CC ranked came out before people started making alts just to grief me and other players to prevent me from getting rank one and making sure others got rank 1 instead. Kind of gave up after week 3 of having my games hard griefed
yeah the combat delay on the buttons pissed me off... the game is not bad, i did enjoy ff14 but the combat is not great and the color pallet is not pretty. feels depressing and lonely really. if someone told me to pick either wow or ff14. i'd pick wow cause i enjoy that more then ff14 just hands down. or if wow wasn't there. Lost Ark over ff14... the combat once again way better then ff14 cause it's responsive. i don't get why there's such a shit delay, there should not be a delay to the buttons. if ff14 were to get a major rework, i hope they rework the button actions cause that's what it really needs.
@@anteprs7908both good and bad in different ways, ff has a very bland and washed out palette but is better graphically, wow is stylized bright and vibrant but much lower graphical fidelity. I’ve got much more time in ff than wow but after recently starting classic I much prefer the classic style.
And yes, FFXIV pvp is much better once you learn your dps rotation, how server ticks work, and how to play around it. wow pvp right now is complete trash, thats why wow classic became a thing.
If u think pvp in ffxiv is better than in wow you're on some serious copium. Wow's so smooth & fluid it'll always be better than ffxiv 3 sec delay bullshit
@@WheresMyMuffin FFXIV PVP is better in very few ways, such as balance and approach-ability. Wow has more fluid and interesting pvp but the balance is the absolute worst shit I've seen. Like hilariously awful (I specifically remember how awful it was at launch and the first season of Legion). Personally, I prefer FFXIV pvp simply because I'm not an Altoholic and don't want Blizz RNG dartboard throwing of which class should be op or which will be under powered to determine if I can play or enjoy a large part of the game.
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Combat addons should never be a thing, plain and simple, same as macro auto-rotations and all that.
Maybe I'm a boomer mmo player but I prefer learning things by reacting at what a boss does.
Than a f-ing pop up or a random voice in my head telling me "RUN, SPREAD, GET AWAY" bullsh-.
Might as well play a mobile game with auto-play in it.
What annoys me is that raid leaders will tell you it's REQUIRED for raiding in CLASSIC when you've been farming it for months, literally MC or BWL even tho it's the same raid group every time. And the addon says who doesn't have the addon in the raid.
Its a real shame the community is like this cause raids in retail are really fun without addons (classic raids are just meant to be cleared, the fun is the items being pulled up like rare Pokemon cards)
if the MMO is an action combat, sure, but tab targetting is too stiff and in the cases of wow and FF, the visual clarity is dogshit
@@Fabriciod_Crv visual clarity in ff is amazing wdym but in WoW? definitely atrocious.
@@RinrinFran I am hearing the radiating, pulsing noise of the giant stack markers. Sometimes it's too much
@@MrCarlWaxYou can always adjust the settings for the sounds if it's too much.
I just want this reaction domino effect to never go away until the screen is nothing but face cams of reactions to reactions.
Random drop in raids maybe is exiting until you do 100 runs and cant get the thing. Citerion maybe is not that great (because you can get mount from market board) but i love variant even if those 12 runs dont take that much time.
More wow players forcing them selves to believe wow looks better. Neither game looks great but you're actually blind. Wow players sayong 14 should improve graphics while saying wow is fine is astounding
I think FFXIV could very much improve as some of the criticism is very valid in what they said. Granted people saying "Wow graphics are fine, FFXIV isn't" are at best disliking FFXIV for their stylization and at worst delusional
@@zugetzuzu 14 has plenty of room for improvement gameplay wise. But wow stans are crazy thinking wow actually looks better. Both look outdated as hell. But wow looks even older. Like you said its probably more of a style difference but still a wild take
Bro, I play ff14 exclusively and even I can admit Wow looks better. The color, shading, lighting are all superior. The environments feel alive. FF feels like ps2/3 game. The zones feel like plastic and dull.
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Good one 😅 ff14 never improves bc they have dickriders that will never criticize the game 🤡
I'm european and always play on NA servers. The slower gcds and the small delays made the game playable. In WoW there's no addon to help you lower your ping and vpns are banned. Every class with a significant amount of instacasts is completely unplayable for me, the gcds won't stop desyncing and going back in time, it's impossible to keep track of which gcds are getting to the server and going off and which ones aren't when your gcds are resetting twice every 1.5 seconds.
I want to get in ff but raiding is hard for me to anticipate. I'm not feeling the instant spawn into a random bright shape in the middle of a void setup
A lot of the FFX8V delay comes from there 3s tick rate servers.
Yup, it's miserable.
The 3 second tick rate is specifically only for dots and hots. The tickrate is something like 24 per second or something like that so. So tickrate isn't the problem, it's that the feedback loop is completely out of wack. Click button > send command to server > server verifies and executes > server sends back information > execution of command is registered and allows you to register another command (and ever action having a .5 sec lockout + is ping x 2 delay).
TBH, I don't really dislike the .5 sec lockout, it's different but not bad, the problem is the ping delay, which makes Machinist or Monk horrible to play on (150+ ping for Machinist or 75+ ping on Monk, if you want to double weave)
Just for future reference, 3 sec tick rate means the server only ticks once per 3 seconds, that'd be next to impossible to have unless the game is almost entirely client side with very little input on the server side
Guys, please can we have Asmon react to this?? please...
FF14 is really lacking midcore content for me to really stick around in the game tbh. I enjoy some of the aesthetics, the jobs are a mixed bag for me. I have a fair number of issues with them so much so that the only real job I somewhat like is SMN since it doesn't have nearly as much bad button bloat with many redundant skills, but I could be more ok with it all if I just had more fun content that I want to do. I'm not a super casual just wanting really easy stuff, RP and just roaming around taking screen shots, but I don't really care to do ultimate raids either.
A reaction of a reaction of a reaction, of a reaction.
I really wish Ff fans won’t shit on savix solely for the fact he made one of the best ffxiv fan vids ever. Doesn’t matter how he feels about the game now, that thing was a work of art and made with love.
The 2 week ban League of Legends joke got me laughing out loud xD was not expecting that
Sane take. both games are old and have own style. Each game wants something from one another. (example housing/transmog collection system). Using Addons for FFXIV to make game look better. Using Addons in WoW to perform better and QoL stuff. Kept it short and sweet for all to read.
most ppl dont want addons beside raiders and in all mmorpgs in the last 5 to 7 years raiders dont make up more then 20% of the playerbase tops even less now where it not even 10 %
There's a lot more in this video, I think it's worth the watch to anyone interested. It's more of a conversation on the worst parts of FFXIV as opposed to a comparison of WoW vs. XIV like the title suggests.
addons are not good to live games.
@@anteprs7908 I think this is a very wow centered/wow raider take. In FFXIV visual, character customization etc is very common to use for even casual players (a perfect example is one of my FC mates who mostly just take pictures and do MSQ/try to get specific glam pieces or RP exclusively uses mods 10 different mods to update her character model to look better/the environment look better), despite it being against TOS. Some also use combat add-ons but it's rather rare (if we exclude the parsing program, otherwise if we include it, it's very prominent). In WoW, from my understanding as a 19 year veteran of the game, mostly just use QOL, UI and combat mods for the most part, some of which were very questionable and almost mandatory to complete certain fights (looking at you as the most prominent one Mythic Archimonde)
I'm a top ten player in ffxiv and a gladiator in wow, the pvp is night and day, the difference is mainly the server tick from ffxiv being shit still, while wow's pvp devs dont know their own classes that theyre buffing/nerfing.
i've cleared 3 ultimates myself and still raid once weekly with friends in FF but nothing hits like a piece of loot in wow. FF always missed that mark for me.
Good it not meant to be wow
@@anteprs7908 You are everywhere. Biggest FF andie I've ever seen
@@MrCarlWax not the biggest fan but a solid one i say
Point being that loot feels good to get if it's for yourself, but it comes at the expense of someone else. FFXIV doesn't do that to its own players. WoW wants your time, so they can design raids that takes 30 over people committing weeks and months to clear it. FFXIV doesn't want to gatekeep their players, so they make raids with 8-man but tuned its difficulty to the max. This is why elitism exists more in WoW than in FFXIV(FFXIV still has them, but not a prevalent consensus), because to do endgame content in WoW takes heavy commitment, and you can't have someone else wasting your keys and time. Both MMO designs has their pros and cons.
I fully agree with you, but I am more frustrated when the piece of loot I want doesn't drop for the 7th week in a row than I'd ever be with FFXIV. It's a trade off. Either you have the frustration and euphoria of loot drops or you have the consistency of something like FFXIV. I know that for me, I just get angry/annoyed more so than it feels great to get the piece so I prefer the latter system of loot
Imo ESO (early) i guess classic? Lol is better than ff14... the PvP was the closest thing to wow, shaiya, KAL Online I have experienced in a very long time.
Also being crystal in pvp doesnt mean squat shit, there are plenty of crystal players that are not in the top 100, albeit cc is currently way worse than feast ever was. Discouraging TRUE good players of the game.
Was top 1 for a solid few days when CC ranked came out before people started making alts just to grief me and other players to prevent me from getting rank one and making sure others got rank 1 instead. Kind of gave up after week 3 of having my games hard griefed
yeah the combat delay on the buttons pissed me off... the game is not bad, i did enjoy ff14 but the combat is not great and the color pallet is not pretty. feels depressing and lonely really. if someone told me to pick either wow or ff14. i'd pick wow cause i enjoy that more then ff14 just hands down. or if wow wasn't there. Lost Ark over ff14... the combat once again way better then ff14 cause it's responsive. i don't get why there's such a shit delay, there should not be a delay to the buttons. if ff14 were to get a major rework, i hope they rework the button actions cause that's what it really needs.
The game IS bad. Stop coping. Holy shit yall are the same
@@russpc9739game is good
AS A WOW PLAYER FFXIV LOOKS LIKE SHIT I TRIED PLAYING IT I QUIT SHITS SO UGLY I WENT TO CLASSIC WOW
Funny classic wow is the most outdate and ugly part of wow
@@anteprs7908both good and bad in different ways, ff has a very bland and washed out palette but is better graphically, wow is stylized bright and vibrant but much lower graphical fidelity. I’ve got much more time in ff than wow but after recently starting classic I much prefer the classic style.
@@robt2809 yes but that at the end fo day opinions not facts .
ff is just a shit game and thats not an opinion@@anteprs7908
@@robt2809really?
And yes, FFXIV pvp is much better once you learn your dps rotation, how server ticks work, and how to play around it. wow pvp right now is complete trash, thats why wow classic became a thing.
If u think pvp in ffxiv is better than in wow you're on some serious copium. Wow's so smooth & fluid it'll always be better than ffxiv 3 sec delay bullshit
oh yea, so why arent there any healers healing your pathetic excuse of a game? @@WheresMyMuffin
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@@WheresMyMuffin FFXIV PVP is better in very few ways, such as balance and approach-ability. Wow has more fluid and interesting pvp but the balance is the absolute worst shit I've seen. Like hilariously awful (I specifically remember how awful it was at launch and the first season of Legion). Personally, I prefer FFXIV pvp simply because I'm not an Altoholic and don't want Blizz RNG dartboard throwing of which class should be op or which will be under powered to determine if I can play or enjoy a large part of the game.