in the interview with Tymone he mentions about players needing a handicap, problem is once you master the parkour it becomes what it truly is, a nuisance, and it makes the parkour feel far less satisfying once you learn the physics of the game (or lack thereof)
damn how can someone be so wrong. everything is a downgrade besides the parkour they went so hard on it and just left the rest of the game to put itself together it seems
@@kinkkwang9835 the parkour is only better because there's more added to it, quantity doesn't always mean quality and the parkour system in dl2 shows it, sure it's pretty to look at and has more to it, but you're ever only gonna use a maximum of 5 or 6 things to actually get around, take the paraglider for example, you could cross from one end of central loop without touching the ground using the paraglider, air vents and grapple hook. everything is indeed a downgrade of some sort
@@beefyremixs2595 it’s crazy how a game series from the 90’s realized that staying fast = happy brain chemicals and tech land forgot this hidden knowledge
A few more problems I have is techland adds new animations but removes old ones, for example they added a new swing animation but remove the old one, or in latest update they add a new ledge swing , but removed the old one. I wish they could do it like in dl1 where there was 3 different types of vaults and hopefully they could randomized different animations so it can have variety, so you have to see the same thing over and over again.
It sounds like jumping is a major culprit behind most of these issues. The jump itself reminds me a lot of the way Cal jumps in Jedi Fallen Order. It doesn’t matter how fast you’re going, that damn jump kills EVERY last bit of your momentum.
Techland made this game safer A lot of companies do this becuz some tiny part of players had struggles I just hate to see a potentially awesome game to be beaten down to an better than average one
I swear to god, at best they could just give 2 settings for the parkour for the players, one would be without the extra float and the other with the extra float, or they could just tie the float with EASY mode and MEDIUM and HARD will have parkour without the float. Or even better, what noviex says here from 12:46 onwards
Bro I sucked dick I DL1! But I just kinda accepted that and at times just worked around it. Like I have on multiple occasions cheaped out the path finding to get what I wanted or needed to do.
@@merku2day literally the 1 thing most fans agree on is the parkour is better in this game. Why would they need to change it if its only a vocal minority of screechers who care?
@@DragonReaver your Argument is objektively bullshit, why should i care about your opinion when i enjoy dl2 more? i hate People who want to sell me their opinion as the one and only truth.. just Play the old game then.. i dont get it why people wanted the exact same game again, like if dl1 was the holy grail.. yeye, those pink Glasses..
I never really thought about this when playing the game but this video makes me realize how much better the parkour could be. One thing I want changed is how Aiden automatically grabs onto objects, light poles and zip lines can be a huge annoyance when you have a good parkour flow going. You raised some really good points and I hope techland listens
I think create a dl1 gravity option would be a great addiction,i mean if I don't wont to be "helped" like tymon said let me activate an optional wich makes gravity stronger
@@hellgates_javed6451 I mean about half the playerbase of this game would like to at least have the option lol even for the people who like the floaty bit. A lot more people seem to not like it so an option to turn it off would help alot
Excellent summary Noviex. Your description of the ‘extra time to think’ was spot on - the fun and adrenaline and extreme feeling of pace from DL1 was what kept so many long term players, playing. Sometimes it was literally just fun to run around and shit. The making the game easier for players I feel lends itself to Techland wanting to expand their player base and earn more $$, which in our reality, can you blame them? But, as a long term player, I get disappointed every time I play and I rarely get that adrenaline feeling when playing.
Not even saying this to be rude but if you're slower parkouring in dl2 than in dl1 you might just need more practice, dl1 parkour feels so restrictive and sluggish compared to dl2 I can't go back even if it's an objectively better game
@@yli4526 it may have been been restrictive due to not having as much tools for parkour as we do now, but when the simple act of jumping around feels much better in dl1 then no amount of creative freedom or skill is going to make dl2 play better.
@@davidsplooge14 i completely disagree, I play dl2 and dl1 exclusivley for the parkour and I often restrict myself from using the grappling hook and paraglider and it is still more fun, interesting and challenging than dl1 parkour ever was. jumping around feels way better because you have more skills you can use and the world is build for parkour. And because the skill ceiling is so much higher, it makes pulling off impressive shit so satisfying, whereas in dl1 it would probably be hard to tell the difference between a 50 hour player and a 500 hour play just from the parkour.
@@gilbert7508 dying light 1 was my favorite game for 3 years and all I did in game was parkour. I'm telling you, compared to dl2 that's what it is imo.
The things you also mentioned like certain animations having their own speeds that fuck up your momentum also makes players wonder why they die fall damage at low speeds since the lack of speed during falls does not mean you're not gonna take fall damage , what's more funny enough is that I died more to fall damage than anything in the game , where in Dying Light 1 I almost never die to fall damage.
This video had to be made, thank you. The monkey bars were the most important thing that got me hyped for DL2, and the fact that Techland made them so fucking slow in 2021-2022 DL2 is just awful.
didnt ask the resident parkour addict about the parkour, offended. jk amazing video. the only thing i dont agree with is the gravity. the floatiness works amazingly the issue is the speed with which you float if a lot of specific animations were 2x or even 3x faster (jumping off a walled pole) it would be much more natural feeling and look better here are my thoughts I posted in discord when Aussie asked generally I agree with everything everyone said, but would add that parkour has a great foundation its the details that are not well done, the best way it could be improved is 1) as mentioned allow momentum to carry BUT also allow the player to control it within reason the current lack of control (for example when doing a dash jump and not being able to jump afterwards, or not carrying momentum after an afterboost) take away from the players control and forces them into situations that dont look or feel good if it wasnt the case 2) tweaking the speed values of specific animations. for example when jumping off of a pole Aiden falls at 25% speed compared to a normal jump and fall which is a genuine feeling of floating as you are falling dramatically slow DUE to an animation. and there are plenty of examples of that. 3) atop that the increase of new moves is downgraded due to a lack of animation diversity. making the parkour feel less diverse compared to DL1 even though it literally as 2-3x the moves and things you can do.
Oh my gosh thank you, I am so glad you said what everyone thaught ! At first I was enjoying the parkour but it became so annoying, I could not really describe why but now I know for sure. It does not make any sense to float in the air so much. And I wonder how they did not question themselves considering Aiden can jump from a roof to another in one JUMP, like ok it's a game but ??? I really hope techland sees this
@Rōnin honestly think the community of this game and techland in general are pretty shitty RUclipsrs included I'm just starting to give up on everything involved with techland. Ungrateful greedy lazy bunch of peices of shit I hate techland and it's community even more now. And they just added dev tools. I started to give up when the hipe faded away but it's the community that ruined techland and dl 2
@Rōnin There are some improvements but overall the core mechanics of how the player moves is flawed and makes parkour overall a lesser experience than Dying Light 1's. It doesn't matter if this is addressed on day 1 or now, what matters is it is addressed in a concise way like in this video.
@@ronin7652 so you're telling me that I have to kick off a rope to get my momentum back and forget the fact I shouldn't have lost it INSTANTLY in the first place.
Tbh, all this feels like the devs forgot what they did in DL1 It's like they decided to make a dying light-like game without ever touching Dying Light How do you fuck up things that the first game nailed perfectly
You know what really sucks, the fact that after You sprint and jump, You can't jump again for like 1,5 seconds. Made me fall so many times. Also sprint cannot be activated instantly again, this really bothers me. 9:33 That's what I'm talking about
damn you all finally got it right, this probably is the definitive feedback Techland needs to fix the awkwardness of the parkour, well f*cking done, i hope you bring some feedback with the combat and physics too.
It doesn't just stop at the parkour. These 'time to think' handicaps are present in combat as well. The slow-mo on the vault kick isn't the worst thing in the world but it definitely slows down the fast-paced fighting that we're all used to. Another thing which I absolutely despise is the animation lock when you grapple somebody.After throwing an enemy behind you or punching them to the side, there's a moment where you're just stuck standing there like a thumb, meanwhile I have three renegades behind me making my health bar disappear because I'm locked in place for too long. The same issue is present with Airkick too. Another factor is the strafing speed, it's far too slow and makes maneuvering in combat so jarring, you may as well stand still and just use dodge to move. Combat is so much fun (especially with I am legion installed) but player movement and animation locking just completely minimizes the freedom that players should have when controlling Aiden.
During aussieGG's part about the dash jump in version 1.00 you could actually jump as soon as you landed but techland changed it before launch soo it couldn't be exploited which is stupid
Your right about the gravity the floaty parkour needs to go. I think for new DL2 players they can have the floaty parkour on so they got time to think and react before they fall to there death but us veteran DL2 players should be able to turn off the floaty parkour. They can add this as a feature in the future to toggle on or off in accessibility which would be great.
It would be better if they took notice of your idea and implemented it on nightmare or night runner difficulty, making parkour feel more grounded with scarce materials and deadly enemies in the day. Or they could add a separate mode solely to make the game or parkour system feel like DL1, something like "Harran" mode.
this game is so sad and such a blackpill about the gaming industry as a whole. like the first game was almost perfect. even the graphics hold up till today and it was released almost like 8 years ago. all they had to do was take the first game, put in a few more NPCs so the world feels a bit more alive, patched in a new villain, and there you have a solid contender for game of the year. instead they created whatever this butchery is
I just wish we got the Dying Light 2 we were promised back at E3 2019. The game we have right now is not terrible, but its not good either. I hate when people claim Techland "fixed" DL2. They improved some aspects of the game, thats it. I still think that this game will get good in a couple of years though.
the thing that puts me off the most is jumping from building to building and just seeing your shadow flailing around with no control whatsoever despite doing this for 50 hours
IMO, it's also the combat cuz even if there's like 5 enemies you can tell who's going to attack you cuz there's just one guy cha cha sliding to your location
I just want some 2019 parkour animation with normal jumps when aiden shows his hands like he jumps , and there is a bunch of cutted vault , they should be added in the game as different variations , and there also cut jump loop that really looks better than retail , i just want some better animations for current one that we have from 2019 game
The lack of momentum is disappointing, I agree with that. I also agree on the need for control in the air. But increasing gravity doesn't solve the problem. I've tried various mods that increase the speed of falling, or change the animation of the protagonist - they all either break the game or make it less fun. Contrary to expectations, accelerated animations reduce the feeling of speed.
The problem with speed cap is seriously just a very simple one that a dev could fix in a day. Just cache the speed of the player for the animation and give it back after it finishes (that would fix the pole, zipline problems) Yes of course with animations it would look clunky or weird sometimes because the animation would play way to slow but you can easily adjust from that. There is literally no technical reason not to ad that even as a setting to turn on and off.
Maybe they should like tie animation speed to velocity, so like if you have 15 velocity and you do a rope swing make it swing faster and keep the velocity or increase it based on the angle that you jumped off the rope. It would make the parkour infinitely more fun.
The thing is, it is understandable why the devs did this as not a small number of the playerbase probably get dizzy real easily while playing for extended periods of time. The problem is because of those changes the mechanics lack realism which I believe is essential in a game like this and a lot of players suffer for it. It would've been nice if the devs could've made the movement mechanics more accessible by letting players enable or disable specific animations they don't like or affect their vestibular system. That way people that seek more realistic and grounded playstyle, like for example how the body rocks back and forth when jumping on a zipline from a running start, would get their share of realism and players that get motion sick easily can turn off these heavy animations that affect them. And the second major flaw in my opinion is how heavily reliant that game is on using the grappling hook. In the first game that was a unique item that you could find as an easter egg and use to skip sections entirely but you could just as easily beat the game without using it once. In the second game its use became essential as there entire sections you can't progress through without utilizing the hook as a tool.
THANK YOU for making this. I really hated the animation heavy janky ahh parkour system in DL2. It never feels as exhilarating as DL1. It's diverse but unenjoyable
Agreed with everything, this is why I get so confused when people say DL2 has way better parkour, yes there are more moves and I absolutely love the skills wall run and far jump. But the momentum when using contextual objects and especially capping it on certain moves makes it way too floaty, I wanna be able to get that sense of speed like the first game. Those monkey bars are especially baffling, so floaty it's ridiculous.
While I agree with your thoughts on how to improve the flow of parkour, I can see what Techland is aiming for as well. They want the game to be approachable for novice gamers as well, and these slow downs help people like my girlfriend play alongside me. That being said, I love the idea of having all these things put in the options so that I can switch mine to a bit more of a frantic pace and let her keep her training wheels on. If you just switch it all out, people like her are likely to feel overwhelmed, which means less play time for people dating people like her. lol
I can definitely see how some of these make it worse, but I don’t know if I would call it a downgrade. DL1’s schmoovement was simple and fun, with some tech. It flowed perfectly, and that’s what kept me coming back for 500 hours. DL2’s parkour is a whole different beast, going for more interesting and complex moves, but the momentum was needlessly sacrificed for this. I’m sure they can fix it, but I like them both anyway. :)
@@SharkSprayYTP nah my boy I think 90% of the dl community wanted dl 2 to be like dl 1 with a better a story but techland had to go fuck up the story and the gameplay while at it and in the end we got a game that is worst than its predecessor
i cannot say better for the solutions of the parkour you mention, it's so sad that this game took this way and i hope that will be implemented in the future for a coming back of my part
I want them to add a mirrors edge sliding mechanic, in ME, faith actually loses momentum in a slide, but has the option to roll out of it to keep said momentum. That should be a thing in DL2, because the current slide feels stupid fast, and not to mention aiden grabs his weapon while you slide, and it looks stupid, and breaks the immersion.
I was watching this on my ps5. I never liked the “spider man web zip-grappling hook” from the first game. It’s nice that we have more animations. But, there is less intuitive thinking. Even with the physical option. There are moments where you slow down dramatically. And idk what animation is-they added a front flip- but they still aren’t applying momentum. They want it to look pretty. But Aiden is a efficient pilgrim AND a top infected/superhuman. You were faster in dying light 1. But dying light 2 is still my favorite. I played the first to death. Even the infected mode(having to face players who sat in the water and just stayed until I left.). It needs MORE animations. Even Less floatiness in the physical mode because you can still correct certain falls because of the gravity and added animations for moving quickly. It’s amazing to have the side wall run. But even that slows your speed a bit. Everyone in Viledor knows what you’re can fun o m wall n . But we always seem lil bit too slow just for our sake. And making the charge not give a speed boost anymore was a poor change. Know
They can fix all what you pointed out but that won’t remove the fact that the inside of the buildings are not worth exploring when there are faster ways to gather valuable items and a lot of vendors around the world that sell the valuables you’d find inside them. Separating everything into dark hallows and forsaken stores was a mistake
it would be nice if in the next update you keep your momentum forever (possibly a skill than a passive you get from the start) and you get increased agility exp if you're faster until you stop and lose all your momentum, or get hit
Got the game this christmas, and after putting in around 100 hours these are my thoughts on the solutions at 13:52: Stronger gravity, uncapped speed, carry momentum, and physics emphasis I 100% agree on. With the more animations point, id say only if they are going to fix the whole issue of "fixed animation speeds" would this be smart. IF they did that, then a variety of animations would be good, or if you mean theres fast/slow versions of each animation thats even better. Im personally against more air control for the sake of it being a stupid concept. Sure, this game has a lot of parkour movements that might be a bit of a stretch, but changing direction after youve jumped (not using paraglider) is just fantasy. Go outside rn and try to jump 90° around the corner of a building and tell me how it goes; its just not possible. For this reason, ive literally left the "turn while jumping" skill unleveled, so i dont develop the habit of defying physics.
Don't expect anything to be done about this anytime soon. I'm sure that techland is working on It but overhauling the main gameplay is gonna take both a lot of work and a lot of time.
I knew I wasn't feeling the sensation when parkouring dl2 since it's release. I felt something off that wasn't like dl1 or mirrors edge. Until I saw this video I knew I wasn't the only one. Hope techland would work something out sooner or later. 🤷
Thanks glad I ain't the only 1 that thought the parkour could've been better. Feels like Aiden has gotta leash around his neck I mean I hate to compare but look at Mirrors Edge and Dying light 2 there was no need for more time to think. I don't get as much adrenaline from dl2 as I do from Mirrors Edge catalyst
They wanted the technical skill and style of the movement in Mirror's Edge combined with the brain dead ease of use of Assassin's Creed freerunning and ended up with the most mediocre parts of both systems. However, I still prefer it over DL1, its just got way more personality even for all its flaws.
I hate parkour in DL2 because all it's potential is destroyed by this. The game is so freaking slow. And thanks for including that interview because it confirmed my theory that this slowness is caused by one of the sins of modern games: making everything easier so even a biter can play it. Don't get me wrong, it's great to make game enjoyable for more people, especially handicapped, but I think that it should prioritize keeping the core audience of the game happy. IMO doing something like this is like forcing colorblind mode for everyone
If they were too fix this it would be soo great, I feel like you could truly explore the map for what it is, and they really did priorities animations because remember the physics in dying light 1 where you could just fall through certain materials which made you more aware of your surroundings, I’m yet to see something I can break through in dying light 2, I think stuff like that made the game scarier, it added more risk factors in which we are lacking do to lacking the physics.
I was extremely disappointed when this game released, I used to be pretty hardcore into gaming until about the age 23 when I started really working full time and ever since then I still play but only about an hour or two at a time I just can't really get into it like I used to be able to now that I'm getting older and tired more easily, the first dying light game will forever be one of my all-time favorite games my first playthrough of the story was truly amazing, I remember doing every single mission at the start of the game that I could do during the day then it came to that first required night time mission and holy crap that was an amazing experience that mission was so simple but so well put together, I forget what the bad guy's name was the main bad guy but that mission where you have to escape from his compound was probably the most intense moment in gaming I've ever had, it was just like being in the tower you call home base but a nightmare version he had it gutted out and filled with zombies it was like a horror maze, being forced to fight in that arena and having everything stripped away from you other than a few pipes and sticks laying around was awesome but man my heart was really going after that, with that being said I don't usually buy new games full price but I bought dying light too the day it came out and I was disappointed the same day I probably played about 20 hours and uninstalled it, the atmosphere is completely different, I hate the fact they removed the skill tree and replaced it with pieces of equipment that have different perks that's just so much more complicated I don't want to constantly have to switch equipment and equip higher level stuff there's some games where I like them for that reason such as the division or destiny or Diablo 2, I just don't feel like that was a good fit for dying light it took a lot of the fun out for me on top of the atmosphere and everything else I feel like they just did a lot of things nobody asked for I didn't see a whole lot of complaining about the original game for them to change everything around so much was a bad idea in my opinion and like I mentioned the first game is one of my all-time favorite games so the fact I don't even like the second game says something in my opinion I had the exact same experience with far cry 6 they did the exact same thing they took the perk system away the skill tree system away and now you collect equipment that has perks and you're constantly picking stuff up and reading through it and comparing it it's really time consuming and I would much rather prefer just having a skill tree that way I can read a few skills pick which one suits my style then keep playing I don't want to have to read a bunch of stuff playing action games like these it's not that I'm illiterate and I don't like reading or anything like that and I just want the action I play a lot of really slow games I'm playing death stranding right now they just changed those games way too much like I said I bought far cry 6 the day it launched also and had the same experience and far cry 5 is also one of my all-time favorite games that was the first far cry to take place in America and I thought it was amazing I loved the story the characters the gameplay it was awesome putting a suppressor on a heavy machine gun and going hunting with it now in far cry 6 the suppressors break after a couple shots if you shoot too quickly with them that alone I could deal with but they aren't even fully suppressed which I know is unrealistic being able to shoot someone in the head walking right behind someone and not having the person in front hear it but who cares man then on top of it it makes the weapon worse other than making it slightly less loud there's a lot more overall realistic games that have completely silenced suppressors so making that decision to try to impact overall how realistic the game is just doesn't make sense they could have done something else the main killer for far cry 6 was held at AI or the computer enemies spawned in for example I would kill a single horseback enemy that's just patrolling a single small area and not even 60 seconds later another one would come replace him and they wouldn't be on alert because his dad body was laying there or anything the enemy AI was so bad in that game it was laughable you can't even say it was so bad it wasn't even funny it was so bad it actually was kind of funny other than the fact that I paid full price for it, then for example when you take over a compound and then it gets occupied with fellow gorilla friendly NPCs literally a minute after completing that mission and taking over this little checkpoint here comes an enemy Jeep then all of the friendly NPCs start shooting at it then thanks to the new implemented wanted level type system two Jeeps come immediately after the first one then the friendly NPCs kill them by this point I haven't even left the building I'm just kind of watching out the window so after the two Jeeps are killed here comes a helicopter which doesn't die so easily and then that's followed by a tank so now there's a helicopter and a tank within 2 minutes I know there's an option for difficulty that's kind of strange for far cry 6 there's like action difficulty then story difficulty I believe instead of the normal easy medium hard extreme like all of the other games but it didn't really make it different switching between them literally right when you kill an enemy someone comes and takes their place like they just spawn out of nowhere it's not like that person was already on that patrol route or anything you could kill one single enemy and it will repeatedly be replaced infinitely within less than a minute sorry to kind of go on a rant here especially about far cry 6 because this is a dying light video which isn't even related to far cry but I just thought both games had very similar issues and both games were released very close together and it really bummed me out buying two games from a franchise I really enjoy and disliking both games for basically the same reasons 2022 was really really really not a good year for gaming
To call it a Downgrade is a bit of an exaggeration, I am not sure if this is some sort of language barrier or something, but... you do make some very good points
yeah, i don't think it is a downgrade but it has problems that dying light 1 didn't have. Also these problems are fixable so i hope techland listens to us
@Haxkarl dying light 1 has more content, is a less costly and a older game, and Dying light 2 also has a bad reputation. I recently played it and i constantly felt the feeling "this is better in dying light 2".
Creators of Dying light 1 also used real parkour videos/tutorials with cams for reference. It feels more natural like you watch some viral parkour video. DL2 static fixed camera feels....off.
Never really thought about this interesting I agree tbh. I overall think the parkour in general is better but it needs tweaks like momentum and better physics (for the entire game)
Okay so here's my take. I think dying light 2 is a great game. It's fun and when going into dark zones is a tad bit scary which is cool but I wish it was more scary like maybe add a zombie around a corner to Jumpscare you. The story was not bad at all, I know people were giving techland shit for the story but I thought it was okay. Now on to the thing that really FUCKING PISSES ME OFF. The parkour system NEEDS tweaking bad! I love the parkour challenges alot but the parkour system is so dogshit. I turned off all parkour assist like auto grab ledges, poles, etc but it doesn't do anything. I got so frustrated that I didn't go for gold on the carnage hall challenges cause it was so impossible to get gold. The parkour system NEEDS a change badly. So overall it's a 7.5/10 for me. Once they fix the parkour system then it'll be a 8 or 9 out of 10.
I might get a little hate for this but I personally like the floatiness of the game. To me it adds a lot more vertical aspects but I do think that it could use more momentum with the parkour. If they do some how make a stronger gravity employmentation it should be a optional thing.
"Players need more time to think" Stand still and observe the environment? Not hard, People's issues with the DL1 parkour system is a player skill issue than a game design issue, so Techland makes a bad parkour system for DL2 based on an issue that one doesn't exist (motion sickness crap) and two because people want to PARKOUR before they can walk. Yeah how's catering to people who didn't like Dying Light in the first place working out for you Techland? If only they'd listen to people like me who actually pay for their products.
as someone that went from dying light, then dying light 2 in the span of 3 weeks from today, i honestly dont feel a diffrence. im glad i hopped on this game when i did!.
Dawg I just got the game and I could feel the lack of momentum shit I could barely tell if aiden was sprinting outside of my stamina going down. All the paurkour is cool until you do something cool and fast and are just stopped by the game.
Especially on things like slide jumps and climbing boots it definitely needs a better animation cuz Aiden looks so stiff, as well as swinging I feel like a simple fix would probably make the swinging look a lot better in multiplayer
What bothers me is that dying light 2 is a great game in its own way..but having the blessing/curse of having dl1 as its older brother really make this game disappointing.. So to sum it up dl2 is a great game but not worthy of carrying the dying light legacy.. great video cheers
An underrated opinion that I have is when a zombie grabs you you could free yourself by putting a UV light in front of the zombie. WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT IF IT TAKES EVEN LONGER THAN A NORMAL ANIMATION LIKE WHAT IS EVEN THE POINT OF A UV ATTACK
Why don’t they just give you the option to choose. Dl1s parkour feels more realistic dl2 is the need for speed version of parkour. Dl1 feels like the grand turismo of both.
from what i've gathered in the comments people are very much divided between enjoying how DL2 works, or not being totally satisfied with it. so, if Techland were to introduce a patch that would give the players a parkour system with more momentum that carries across animations but with heavier gravity and no magnetism to ledges, it'd be best if they implemented a Parkour Difficulty slider with a Custom option similar to how Sniper Elite has a Custom difficulty option where you can alter every aspect of the challenge to your personal liking, whether it be a small or major change. it'd also give us more ways to experiment with how the parkour system works internally and give us a more scientific perspective on how it functions.
You know, I hadn't been playing when the parkour revamp came out, and - I'm pretty sure I set it to physical mode - and I haven't noticed any real difference...
Just watching that intro from like a different perspective maybe that’s why the game always just felt so weird I looked on steam and I have 70 hours in it and I still don’t know how to run around properly it just feels wrong.
This game is a pathetic Mirrors Edge Catalyst wannabe. And even at that, it failed terribly. ME got all their physics on point, and then there's simple things that DL2 struggles with like the jumps. Techland did you hire junior devs and designers for this game? I like the solutions you gave at the end, especially the air control thing. There was absolutely no reason to remove that and give more airtime during jumping. Dumbest design decision ever. Hope they can remove the floatiness and bring back air control.
in the interview with Tymone he mentions about players needing a handicap, problem is once you master the parkour it becomes what it truly is, a nuisance, and it makes the parkour feel far less satisfying once you learn the physics of the game (or lack thereof)
exactly, all the game really consists of is these little handicaps and subtleties that ultimately make the game extremely unsatisfying
Fr, like how most sonic games have momentum and sensitive turning which at first is hard but becomes rewarding once you learn.
damn how can someone be so wrong.
everything is a downgrade besides the parkour they went so hard on it
and just left the rest of the game to put itself together it seems
@@kinkkwang9835 the parkour is only better because there's more added to it, quantity doesn't always mean quality and the parkour system in dl2 shows it, sure it's pretty to look at and has more to it, but you're ever only gonna use a maximum of 5 or 6 things to actually get around, take the paraglider for example, you could cross from one end of central loop without touching the ground using the paraglider, air vents and grapple hook. everything is indeed a downgrade of some sort
@@beefyremixs2595 it’s crazy how a game series from the 90’s realized that staying fast = happy brain chemicals and tech land forgot this hidden knowledge
This is the most important thing next to physics and you perfectly described it.
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Give us some more fucking memes bruh,it’s been a year and all I got was aids from depression D:
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@@conic_menu7 I just say Kylian Mbappé because I see him on every tiktok video (with his big ass smile). Doesn't mean I'm a fan of him
A few more problems I have is techland adds new animations but removes old ones, for example they added a new swing animation but remove the old one, or in latest update they add a new ledge swing , but removed the old one. I wish they could do it like in dl1 where there was 3 different types of vaults and hopefully they could randomized different animations so it can have variety, so you have to see the same thing over and over again.
It sounds like jumping is a major culprit behind most of these issues. The jump itself reminds me a lot of the way Cal jumps in Jedi Fallen Order. It doesn’t matter how fast you’re going, that damn jump kills EVERY last bit of your momentum.
Fuck that jump
It's as if you automatically let go of sprint right before jumping.
Techland made this game safer
A lot of companies do this becuz some tiny part of players had struggles
I just hate to see a potentially awesome game to be beaten down to an better than average one
You can blame DSP for that. Bugged parkour mechanics.
I swear to god, at best they could just give 2 settings for the parkour for the players, one would be without the extra float and the other with the extra float, or they could just tie the float with EASY mode and MEDIUM and HARD will have parkour without the float. Or even better, what noviex says here from 12:46 onwards
Bro I sucked dick I DL1! But I just kinda accepted that and at times just worked around it. Like I have on multiple occasions cheaped out the path finding to get what I wanted or needed to do.
It's crazy how somebody can break down a game like this and the devs still don't want to do anything about it like you can literally see the flaws
not everybody agrees.. i like the Parkour how it is... no need to fix for me..
@@adidkjf lol OK
@@merku2day
literally the 1 thing most fans agree on is the parkour is better in this game. Why would they need to change it if its only a vocal minority of screechers who care?
@@adidkjf You are objectively wrong then, it is just a worse experience than 1.
@@DragonReaver your Argument is objektively bullshit, why should i care about your opinion when i enjoy dl2 more? i hate People who want to sell me their opinion as the one and only truth.. just Play the old game then.. i dont get it why people wanted the exact same game again, like if dl1 was the holy grail.. yeye, those pink Glasses..
I never really thought about this when playing the game but this video makes me realize how much better the parkour could be. One thing I want changed is how Aiden automatically grabs onto objects, light poles and zip lines can be a huge annoyance when you have a good parkour flow going. You raised some really good points and I hope techland listens
Try turning off the autograb setting
Yeah just turn off the autograb, parkour gets way better. And this setting excists since release btw💀
@@sleeplessguardian Autograb cannot be turned off for poles and ziplines, annoyingly.
I think create a dl1 gravity option would be a great addiction,i mean if I don't wont to be "helped" like tymon said let me activate an optional wich makes gravity stronger
Why waste time of the devs for this bs
@@hellgates_javed6451 why waste time writing this comment
@@riccardoberveglieri814 a few seconds better than weeks fixing something that doesn't need to be fixed
@@hellgates_javed6451 I mean about half the playerbase of this game would like to at least have the option lol
even for the people who like the floaty bit. A lot more people seem to not like it so an option to turn it off would help alot
@@hellgates_javed6451 no it does really need to be fixed
Excellent summary Noviex. Your description of the ‘extra time to think’ was spot on - the fun and adrenaline and extreme feeling of pace from DL1 was what kept so many long term players, playing. Sometimes it was literally just fun to run around and shit.
The making the game easier for players I feel lends itself to Techland wanting to expand their player base and earn more $$, which in our reality, can you blame them? But, as a long term player, I get disappointed every time I play and I rarely get that adrenaline feeling when playing.
They could just give us an option in the settings to turn on the parkour * Helping hand * or off. They should let US decide if we need help or not.
I hope they do, I miss the speed from the first but love the complexity of stay human
Not even saying this to be rude but if you're slower parkouring in dl2 than in dl1 you might just need more practice, dl1 parkour feels so restrictive and sluggish compared to dl2 I can't go back even if it's an objectively better game
@@yli4526 it may have been been restrictive due to not having as much tools for parkour as we do now, but when the simple act of jumping around feels much better in dl1 then no amount of creative freedom or skill is going to make dl2 play better.
@@davidsplooge14 i completely disagree, I play dl2 and dl1 exclusivley for the parkour and I often restrict myself from using the grappling hook and paraglider and it is still more fun, interesting and challenging than dl1 parkour ever was. jumping around feels way better because you have more skills you can use and the world is build for parkour. And because the skill ceiling is so much higher, it makes pulling off impressive shit so satisfying, whereas in dl1 it would probably be hard to tell the difference between a 50 hour player and a 500 hour play just from the parkour.
@@yli4526 Not even saying this to be rude but if you think DL1s parkour is slow and restrictive you need to actually play the game or practice more.
@@gilbert7508 dying light 1 was my favorite game for 3 years and all I did in game was parkour. I'm telling you, compared to dl2 that's what it is imo.
The things you also mentioned like certain animations having their own speeds that fuck up your momentum also makes players wonder why they die fall damage at low speeds since the lack of speed during falls does not mean you're not gonna take fall damage , what's more funny enough is that I died more to fall damage than anything in the game , where in Dying Light 1 I almost never die to fall damage.
the parkour is more cinematic than practical, although its pretty to look at its a pain to maintain a steady flow and it really kills the gameplay
This video had to be made, thank you. The monkey bars were the most important thing that got me hyped for DL2, and the fact that Techland made them so fucking slow in 2021-2022 DL2 is just awful.
didnt ask the resident parkour addict about the parkour, offended.
jk amazing video. the only thing i dont agree with is the gravity. the floatiness works amazingly the issue is the speed with which you float if a lot of specific animations were 2x or even 3x faster (jumping off a walled pole) it would be much more natural feeling and look better
here are my thoughts I posted in discord when Aussie asked
generally I agree with everything everyone said, but would add that parkour has a great foundation its the details that are not well done, the best way it could be improved is
1) as mentioned allow momentum to carry BUT also allow the player to control it within reason the current lack of control (for example when doing a dash jump and not being able to jump afterwards, or not carrying momentum after an afterboost) take away from the players control and forces them into situations that dont look or feel good if it wasnt the case
2) tweaking the speed values of specific animations. for example when jumping off of a pole Aiden falls at 25% speed compared to a normal jump and fall which is a genuine feeling of floating as you are falling dramatically slow DUE to an animation. and there are plenty of examples of that.
3) atop that the increase of new moves is downgraded due to a lack of animation diversity. making the parkour feel less diverse compared to DL1 even though it literally as 2-3x the moves and things you can do.
Oh my gosh thank you, I am so glad you said what everyone thaught ! At first I was enjoying the parkour but it became so annoying, I could not really describe why but now I know for sure. It does not make any sense to float in the air so much. And I wonder how they did not question themselves considering Aiden can jump from a roof to another in one JUMP, like ok it's a game but ??? I really hope techland sees this
"What everyone thought"
@Rōnin honestly think the community of this game and techland in general are pretty shitty RUclipsrs included I'm just starting to give up on everything involved with techland. Ungrateful greedy lazy bunch of peices of shit I hate techland and it's community even more now. And they just added dev tools. I started to give up when the hipe faded away but it's the community that ruined techland and dl 2
@Rōnin There are some improvements but overall the core mechanics of how the player moves is flawed and makes parkour overall a lesser experience than Dying Light 1's. It doesn't matter if this is addressed on day 1 or now, what matters is it is addressed in a concise way like in this video.
@@ronin7652 so you're telling me that I have to kick off a rope to get my momentum back and forget the fact I shouldn't have lost it INSTANTLY in the first place.
Tbh, all this feels like the devs forgot what they did in DL1
It's like they decided to make a dying light-like game without ever touching Dying Light
How do you fuck up things that the first game nailed perfectly
Diversity hire devs
You know what really sucks, the fact that after You sprint and jump, You can't jump again for like 1,5 seconds. Made me fall so many times. Also sprint cannot be activated instantly again, this really bothers me.
9:33 That's what I'm talking about
damn you all finally got it right, this probably is the definitive feedback Techland needs to fix the awkwardness of the parkour, well f*cking done, i hope you bring some feedback with the combat and physics too.
They should add an animation selector for all sorts of people, who enjoy seeing them or want to go faster.
It doesn't just stop at the parkour. These 'time to think' handicaps are present in combat as well. The slow-mo on the vault kick isn't the worst thing in the world but it definitely slows down the fast-paced fighting that we're all used to. Another thing which I absolutely despise is the animation lock when you grapple somebody.After throwing an enemy behind you or punching them to the side, there's a moment where you're just stuck standing there like a thumb, meanwhile I have three renegades behind me making my health bar disappear because I'm locked in place for too long. The same issue is present with Airkick too. Another factor is the strafing speed, it's far too slow and makes maneuvering in combat so jarring, you may as well stand still and just use dodge to move. Combat is so much fun (especially with I am legion installed) but player movement and animation locking just completely minimizes the freedom that players should have when controlling Aiden.
During aussieGG's part about the dash jump in version 1.00 you could actually jump as soon as you landed but techland changed it before launch soo it couldn't be exploited which is stupid
Your right about the gravity the floaty parkour needs to go. I think for new DL2 players they can have the floaty parkour on so they got time to think and react before they fall to there death but us veteran DL2 players should be able to turn off the floaty parkour. They can add this as a feature in the future to toggle on or off in accessibility which would be great.
i didn't know why i hated parkour in dying light 2 more than in dying light, why it felt so much slower and less fun
now i know, thanks!
It would be better if they took notice of your idea and implemented it on nightmare or night runner difficulty, making parkour feel more grounded with scarce materials and deadly enemies in the day.
Or they could add a separate mode solely to make the game or parkour system feel like DL1, something like "Harran" mode.
it'd be better if they didnt make the parkour ass to begin with...
this game is so sad and such a blackpill about the gaming industry as a whole. like the first game was almost perfect. even the graphics hold up till today and it was released almost like 8 years ago. all they had to do was take the first game, put in a few more NPCs so the world feels a bit more alive, patched in a new villain, and there you have a solid contender for game of the year.
instead they created whatever this butchery is
I just wish we got the Dying Light 2 we were promised back at E3 2019. The game we have right now is not terrible, but its not good either. I hate when people claim Techland "fixed" DL2. They improved some aspects of the game, thats it. I still think that this game will get good in a couple of years though.
the thing that puts me off the most is jumping from building to building and just seeing your shadow flailing around with no control whatsoever despite doing this for 50 hours
IMO, it's also the combat cuz even if there's like 5 enemies you can tell who's going to attack you cuz there's just one guy cha cha sliding to your location
In techlands 2023 roadmap its said that "Parkour Flow Improvements" will be updated in June so I'm looking forward to that.
use the active landing after the dash jump to gain full control again (helps me a lot)
Great video hopefully Techland can see this and make adjustments
I just want some 2019 parkour animation with normal jumps when aiden shows his hands like he jumps , and there is a bunch of cutted vault , they should be added in the game as different variations , and there also cut jump loop that really looks better than retail , i just want some better animations for current one that we have from 2019 game
people can't cope with the fact that they cheaped out on the parkour and physics entirely and pretend to make it on purpose
Finally describing how i felt playing the game. Never finished it despite being super hyped for it becuase the game just felt worse in every way
I hope they fix this eventually. I haven't bought dl2 yet, and I don't plan on it until issues like this are fixed.
The lack of momentum is disappointing, I agree with that. I also agree on the need for control in the air. But increasing gravity doesn't solve the problem. I've tried various mods that increase the speed of falling, or change the animation of the protagonist - they all either break the game or make it less fun. Contrary to expectations, accelerated animations reduce the feeling of speed.
The problem with speed cap is seriously just a very simple one that a dev could fix in a day.
Just cache the speed of the player for the animation and give it back after it finishes (that would fix the pole, zipline problems)
Yes of course with animations it would look clunky or weird sometimes because the animation would play way to slow but you can easily adjust from that.
There is literally no technical reason not to ad that even as a setting to turn on and off.
Maybe they should like tie animation speed to velocity, so like if you have 15 velocity and you do a rope swing make it swing faster and keep the velocity or increase it based on the angle that you jumped off the rope. It would make the parkour infinitely more fun.
Dying light 2 is a downgraded version of dying light 1
Dying Light 2 saturation and bloom be like
"you want to see the world better?" process to shoot 50000 watts of light to a white cement
The music was a perfect way to get the point across. I hate climbing up shit when u need to go fast
I'm fine with accessibility in games, but not giving people who don't want them the option to disable them is poor game design to me.
The thing is, it is understandable why the devs did this as not a small number of the playerbase probably get dizzy real easily while playing for extended periods of time. The problem is because of those changes the mechanics lack realism which I believe is essential in a game like this and a lot of players suffer for it. It would've been nice if the devs could've made the movement mechanics more accessible by letting players enable or disable specific animations they don't like or affect their vestibular system. That way people that seek more realistic and grounded playstyle, like for example how the body rocks back and forth when jumping on a zipline from a running start, would get their share of realism and players that get motion sick easily can turn off these heavy animations that affect them. And the second major flaw in my opinion is how heavily reliant that game is on using the grappling hook. In the first game that was a unique item that you could find as an easter egg and use to skip sections entirely but you could just as easily beat the game without using it once. In the second game its use became essential as there entire sections you can't progress through without utilizing the hook as a tool.
THANK YOU for making this. I really hated the animation heavy janky ahh parkour system in DL2. It never feels as exhilarating as DL1. It's diverse but unenjoyable
Dying Light 1: Physics.
Dying Light 2: Animations.
Agreed with everything, this is why I get so confused when people say DL2 has way better parkour, yes there are more moves and I absolutely love the skills wall run and far jump. But the momentum when using contextual objects and especially capping it on certain moves makes it way too floaty, I wanna be able to get that sense of speed like the first game. Those monkey bars are especially baffling, so floaty it's ridiculous.
...and all I could think of was "You just had to jump on the damn train, Aiden!"
"All you had to do was follow the damn train, Aiden"
Man i miss so much the zombie finisher from the first game
While I agree with your thoughts on how to improve the flow of parkour, I can see what Techland is aiming for as well. They want the game to be approachable for novice gamers as well, and these slow downs help people like my girlfriend play alongside me. That being said, I love the idea of having all these things put in the options so that I can switch mine to a bit more of a frantic pace and let her keep her training wheels on. If you just switch it all out, people like her are likely to feel overwhelmed, which means less play time for people dating people like her. lol
can you give me tips and tricks on how to get a girlfriend?
I can definitely see how some of these make it worse, but I don’t know if I would call it a downgrade. DL1’s schmoovement was simple and fun, with some tech. It flowed perfectly, and that’s what kept me coming back for 500 hours. DL2’s parkour is a whole different beast, going for more interesting and complex moves, but the momentum was needlessly sacrificed for this. I’m sure they can fix it, but I like them both anyway. :)
Gaming industry is evolving backwards for real 💀
I noticed that when people say that the parkour in DL2 is better than in DL1, they mean that DL2 has more parkour moves than DL1.
What was techland thinking , like nobody complained about dl1 parkour so they had to go and mess it up
STOP COPYING MEE
if they didnt change it, youd have cried about how they didnt change anything and are lazy.
@@SharkSprayYTP nah my boy I think 90% of the dl community wanted dl 2 to be like dl 1 with a better a story but techland had to go fuck up the story and the gameplay while at it and in the end we got a game that is worst than its predecessor
i cannot say better for the solutions of the parkour you mention, it's so sad that this game took this way and i hope that will be implemented in the future for a coming back of my part
I want them to add a mirrors edge sliding mechanic, in ME, faith actually loses momentum in a slide, but has the option to roll out of it to keep said momentum. That should be a thing in DL2, because the current slide feels stupid fast, and not to mention aiden grabs his weapon while you slide, and it looks stupid, and breaks the immersion.
Techland really just said, meh who needs physics
I was watching this on my ps5. I never liked the “spider man web zip-grappling hook” from the first game. It’s nice that we have more animations. But, there is less intuitive thinking. Even with the physical option. There are moments where you slow down dramatically. And idk what animation is-they added a front flip- but they still aren’t applying momentum. They want it to look pretty. But Aiden is a efficient pilgrim AND a top infected/superhuman. You were faster in dying light 1. But dying light 2 is still my favorite. I played the first to death. Even the infected mode(having to face players who sat in the water and just stayed until I left.). It needs MORE animations. Even Less floatiness in the physical mode because you can still correct certain falls because of the gravity and added animations for moving quickly. It’s amazing to have the side wall run. But even that slows your speed a bit. Everyone in Viledor knows what you’re can fun o m wall n . But we always seem lil bit too slow just for our sake. And making the charge not give a speed boost anymore was a poor change.
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They can fix all what you pointed out but that won’t remove the fact that the inside of the buildings are not worth exploring when there are faster ways to gather valuable items and a lot of vendors around the world that sell the valuables you’d find inside them. Separating everything into dark hallows and forsaken stores was a mistake
"there's no air control" part killed me
it would be nice if in the next update you keep your momentum forever (possibly a skill than a passive you get from the start) and you get increased agility exp if you're faster until you stop and lose all your momentum, or get hit
Got the game this christmas, and after putting in around 100 hours these are my thoughts on the solutions at 13:52:
Stronger gravity, uncapped speed, carry momentum, and physics emphasis I 100% agree on.
With the more animations point, id say only if they are going to fix the whole issue of "fixed animation speeds" would this be smart. IF they did that, then a variety of animations would be good, or if you mean theres fast/slow versions of each animation thats even better.
Im personally against more air control for the sake of it being a stupid concept. Sure, this game has a lot of parkour movements that might be a bit of a stretch, but changing direction after youve jumped (not using paraglider) is just fantasy. Go outside rn and try to jump 90° around the corner of a building and tell me how it goes; its just not possible. For this reason, ive literally left the "turn while jumping" skill unleveled, so i dont develop the habit of defying physics.
"It's not a downgrade It's different "
Don't expect anything to be done about this anytime soon. I'm sure that techland is working on It but overhauling the main gameplay is gonna take both a lot of work and a lot of time.
I knew I wasn't feeling the sensation when parkouring dl2 since it's release. I felt something off that wasn't like dl1 or mirrors edge. Until I saw this video I knew I wasn't the only one. Hope techland would work something out sooner or later. 🤷
I geniunely cannot see why someone would look at DL2s parkour, compare it to DL1 and think the second was a downgrade.
This video goes into detail and highlights why
Hey Novix can you tell me what mod are u using for the (white e3 outfit)and where can i download it .
Can you list all the mods that make DL2 a better gaming experience?
Such as:
1) stronger gravity
2) air control
Thanks glad I ain't the only 1 that thought the parkour could've been better. Feels like Aiden has gotta leash around his neck I mean I hate to compare but look at Mirrors Edge and Dying light 2 there was no need for more time to think. I don't get as much adrenaline from dl2 as I do from Mirrors Edge catalyst
They wanted the technical skill and style of the movement in Mirror's Edge combined with the brain dead ease of use of Assassin's Creed freerunning and ended up with the most mediocre parts of both systems. However, I still prefer it over DL1, its just got way more personality even for all its flaws.
That grappling hook looks so unsatisfying, they solved swinging physics with Spider-Man on the PS2 yet here we are.
Well we are getting a "parkour update" in either early summer or during summer so... hope these get fixed
love this video idea and the breakdown is immaculate 😂😂 playing this game is like a heavy sigh compared to DL1
9:27 you can especially feel that when you are doing a block charge (even more especially if you’re doing it on the enemy’s back)
I hate parkour in DL2 because all it's potential is destroyed by this. The game is so freaking slow. And thanks for including that interview because it confirmed my theory that this slowness is caused by one of the sins of modern games: making everything easier so even a biter can play it.
Don't get me wrong, it's great to make game enjoyable for more people, especially handicapped, but I think that it should prioritize keeping the core audience of the game happy. IMO doing something like this is like forcing colorblind mode for everyone
If they were too fix this it would be soo great, I feel like you could truly explore the map for what it is, and they really did priorities animations because remember the physics in dying light 1 where you could just fall through certain materials which made you more aware of your surroundings, I’m yet to see something I can break through in dying light 2, I think stuff like that made the game scarier, it added more risk factors in which we are lacking do to lacking the physics.
this really doesn't have to do anything with the subject video, but that custom recolored e3 outfit looks sick!
THE OUTFIT RIGHT!! ITS SO CLEAAAAN
I was extremely disappointed when this game released, I used to be pretty hardcore into gaming until about the age 23 when I started really working full time and ever since then I still play but only about an hour or two at a time I just can't really get into it like I used to be able to now that I'm getting older and tired more easily, the first dying light game will forever be one of my all-time favorite games my first playthrough of the story was truly amazing, I remember doing every single mission at the start of the game that I could do during the day then it came to that first required night time mission and holy crap that was an amazing experience that mission was so simple but so well put together, I forget what the bad guy's name was the main bad guy but that mission where you have to escape from his compound was probably the most intense moment in gaming I've ever had, it was just like being in the tower you call home base but a nightmare version he had it gutted out and filled with zombies it was like a horror maze, being forced to fight in that arena and having everything stripped away from you other than a few pipes and sticks laying around was awesome but man my heart was really going after that, with that being said I don't usually buy new games full price but I bought dying light too the day it came out and I was disappointed the same day I probably played about 20 hours and uninstalled it, the atmosphere is completely different, I hate the fact they removed the skill tree and replaced it with pieces of equipment that have different perks that's just so much more complicated I don't want to constantly have to switch equipment and equip higher level stuff there's some games where I like them for that reason such as the division or destiny or Diablo 2, I just don't feel like that was a good fit for dying light it took a lot of the fun out for me on top of the atmosphere and everything else I feel like they just did a lot of things nobody asked for I didn't see a whole lot of complaining about the original game for them to change everything around so much was a bad idea in my opinion and like I mentioned the first game is one of my all-time favorite games so the fact I don't even like the second game says something in my opinion I had the exact same experience with far cry 6 they did the exact same thing they took the perk system away the skill tree system away and now you collect equipment that has perks and you're constantly picking stuff up and reading through it and comparing it it's really time consuming and I would much rather prefer just having a skill tree that way I can read a few skills pick which one suits my style then keep playing I don't want to have to read a bunch of stuff playing action games like these it's not that I'm illiterate and I don't like reading or anything like that and I just want the action I play a lot of really slow games I'm playing death stranding right now they just changed those games way too much like I said I bought far cry 6 the day it launched also and had the same experience and far cry 5 is also one of my all-time favorite games that was the first far cry to take place in America and I thought it was amazing I loved the story the characters the gameplay it was awesome putting a suppressor on a heavy machine gun and going hunting with it now in far cry 6 the suppressors break after a couple shots if you shoot too quickly with them that alone I could deal with but they aren't even fully suppressed which I know is unrealistic being able to shoot someone in the head walking right behind someone and not having the person in front hear it but who cares man then on top of it it makes the weapon worse other than making it slightly less loud there's a lot more overall realistic games that have completely silenced suppressors so making that decision to try to impact overall how realistic the game is just doesn't make sense they could have done something else the main killer for far cry 6 was held at AI or the computer enemies spawned in for example I would kill a single horseback enemy that's just patrolling a single small area and not even 60 seconds later another one would come replace him and they wouldn't be on alert because his dad body was laying there or anything the enemy AI was so bad in that game it was laughable you can't even say it was so bad it wasn't even funny it was so bad it actually was kind of funny other than the fact that I paid full price for it, then for example when you take over a compound and then it gets occupied with fellow gorilla friendly NPCs literally a minute after completing that mission and taking over this little checkpoint here comes an enemy Jeep then all of the friendly NPCs start shooting at it then thanks to the new implemented wanted level type system two Jeeps come immediately after the first one then the friendly NPCs kill them by this point I haven't even left the building I'm just kind of watching out the window so after the two Jeeps are killed here comes a helicopter which doesn't die so easily and then that's followed by a tank so now there's a helicopter and a tank within 2 minutes I know there's an option for difficulty that's kind of strange for far cry 6 there's like action difficulty then story difficulty I believe instead of the normal easy medium hard extreme like all of the other games but it didn't really make it different switching between them literally right when you kill an enemy someone comes and takes their place like they just spawn out of nowhere it's not like that person was already on that patrol route or anything you could kill one single enemy and it will repeatedly be replaced infinitely within less than a minute sorry to kind of go on a rant here especially about far cry 6 because this is a dying light video which isn't even related to far cry but I just thought both games had very similar issues and both games were released very close together and it really bummed me out buying two games from a franchise I really enjoy and disliking both games for basically the same reasons 2022 was really really really not a good year for gaming
Awesome video bro, this really puts stuff into perspective!
To call it a Downgrade is a bit of an exaggeration, I am not sure if this is some sort of language barrier or something, but... you do make some very good points
yeah, i don't think it is a downgrade but it has problems that dying light 1 didn't have. Also these problems are fixable so i hope techland listens to us
@Haxkarl dying light 1 has more content, is a less costly and a older game, and Dying light 2 also has a bad reputation. I recently played it and i constantly felt the feeling "this is better in dying light 2".
@Haxkarl We are talking about the Parkour in particular, how can it be a downgrade if it literally expanded on everything its predecessor had.
Creators of Dying light 1 also used real parkour videos/tutorials with cams for reference. It feels more natural like you watch some viral parkour video. DL2 static fixed camera feels....off.
Never really thought about this interesting I agree tbh. I overall think the parkour in general is better but it needs tweaks like momentum and better physics (for the entire game)
Okay so here's my take.
I think dying light 2 is a great game. It's fun and when going into dark zones is a tad bit scary which is cool but I wish it was more scary like maybe add a zombie around a corner to Jumpscare you. The story was not bad at all, I know people were giving techland shit for the story but I thought it was okay. Now on to the thing that really FUCKING PISSES ME OFF. The parkour system NEEDS tweaking bad! I love the parkour challenges alot but the parkour system is so dogshit. I turned off all parkour assist like auto grab ledges, poles, etc but it doesn't do anything. I got so frustrated that I didn't go for gold on the carnage hall challenges cause it was so impossible to get gold. The parkour system NEEDS a change badly. So overall it's a 7.5/10 for me. Once they fix the parkour system then it'll be a 8 or 9 out of 10.
I might get a little hate for this but I personally like the floatiness of the game. To me it adds a lot more vertical aspects but I do think that it could use more momentum with the parkour. If they do some how make a stronger gravity employmentation it should be a optional thing.
"Players need more time to think"
Stand still and observe the environment? Not hard, People's issues with the DL1 parkour system is a player skill issue than a game design issue, so Techland makes a bad parkour system for DL2 based on an issue that one doesn't exist (motion sickness crap) and two because people want to PARKOUR before they can walk.
Yeah how's catering to people who didn't like Dying Light in the first place working out for you Techland? If only they'd listen to people like me who actually pay for their products.
We don't need time to process our surroundings when parkouring anyway, considering they made all parkour objects bright fucking yellow lol
Lmao this is true.
At the beginning I was like
WHAT...... THE...... F......... Is Going on!
Edit: Mirror's Edge does the momentum thing a lot better than Dying Light 2
They should make a new difficulty called give me physics
After this new good night good luck update almost all the problems are solved and it’s finally great and a true sequel
it feels amazing
as someone that went from dying light, then dying light 2 in the span of 3 weeks from today, i honestly dont feel a diffrence. im glad i hopped on this game when i did!.
Dawg I just got the game and I could feel the lack of momentum shit I could barely tell if aiden was sprinting outside of my stamina going down. All the paurkour is cool until you do something cool and fast and are just stopped by the game.
Especially on things like slide jumps and climbing boots it definitely needs a better animation cuz Aiden looks so stiff, as well as swinging I feel like a simple fix would probably make the swinging look a lot better in multiplayer
What bothers me is that dying light 2 is a great game in its own way..but having the blessing/curse of having dl1 as its older brother really make this game disappointing.. So to sum it up dl2 is a great game but not worthy of carrying the dying light legacy.. great video cheers
DL2 is not great its average buddy 🙄
give e3 2019 smooth parkour animations i dont want anything else 💀
One time my jump failed and looked like I was falling down and for some reason I catapulted myself back up around the height I indeed to jump earlier.
An underrated opinion that I have is when a zombie grabs you you could free yourself by putting a UV light in front of the zombie. WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT IF IT TAKES EVEN LONGER THAN A NORMAL ANIMATION LIKE WHAT IS EVEN THE POINT OF A UV ATTACK
Why don’t they just give you the option to choose. Dl1s parkour feels more realistic dl2 is the need for speed version of parkour. Dl1 feels like the grand turismo of both.
Also i miss DL1s music, the music now is nice but it used to be iconic.
from what i've gathered in the comments people are very much divided between enjoying how DL2 works, or not being totally satisfied with it. so, if Techland were to introduce a patch that would give the players a parkour system with more momentum that carries across animations but with heavier gravity and no magnetism to ledges, it'd be best if they implemented a Parkour Difficulty slider with a Custom option similar to how Sniper Elite has a Custom difficulty option where you can alter every aspect of the challenge to your personal liking, whether it be a small or major change. it'd also give us more ways to experiment with how the parkour system works internally and give us a more scientific perspective on how it functions.
You know, I hadn't been playing when the parkour revamp came out, and - I'm pretty sure I set it to physical mode - and I haven't noticed any real difference...
Just watching that intro from like a different perspective maybe that’s why the game always just felt so weird I looked on steam and I have 70 hours in it and I still don’t know how to run around properly it just feels wrong.
I feel like on the moon each time i do a long jump.
This game is a pathetic Mirrors Edge Catalyst wannabe. And even at that, it failed terribly. ME got all their physics on point, and then there's simple things that DL2 struggles with like the jumps. Techland did you hire junior devs and designers for this game?
I like the solutions you gave at the end, especially the air control thing. There was absolutely no reason to remove that and give more airtime during jumping. Dumbest design decision ever. Hope they can remove the floatiness and bring back air control.