Nice to see a gen4 hybrid working the way it was intended (quietly and efficiently). Nice setup with your solar I'm sure 👍. The gen5 models are complete garbage IMHO! Hope your ducting system works out for you. I'm going Marathon 105 with 3800 watt elements & solar to stick it to the man 😅 huge thermal battery then blender valve like you have installed. Thanks for sharing!
I honestly haven't heard of the chaos being caused by the Gen5 models. Nor did I know that mine was a Gen4. This one is still purring along happy as a clam. Are there any hybrid models being built today which are worth the money? Because it's hard to pass up a 3/1 multiplier (vs. resistive heating elements) when it's combined with a side of free dehumidification as well as quite a bit of free air conditioning.
@@NoelBarlau the gen5 models have (again in my opinion) cost cutting measures. The firmware has been altered thus causes the resistive heaters to be used way to often... Also it's using a much louder condenser unit and if one complains, all you get is a piece of foam that doesn't help 😑. I would love to benefit from the 3/1 multiplier as you've mentioned; but the only quality I'm interested in are over seas manufacturers and produced far beyond the US current standards (I.E. stainless tanks, CO2 driven compressors, outdoor units, even grid/peak shaving capabilities)!
@@meganwinters5163 Great info, thanks. I'll be sure to follow up with another video when this one finally gives up the ghost. Too bad they changed them, they had a good thing going there with this model.
@@BartmanMi the titanium series heater elements (to my knowledge) do last longer, yes. But for me it's primarily a wattage my off grid solar inverter can handle while still running my critical loads panel 👍.
I just installed mine yesterday and I was very curious of the Energy Save Mode Vs Heat Pump only. I just switch it to Heat Pump only today to try it out and see the difference.
I finally figured out that Energy Saver mode turns on the electric elements if the ambient temperature is below a certain temperature. I'm guessing that temp is about 55 F. Also if there's high demand it turns on the electric elements.
i installed this same unit (the 2022 version) a few days ago. i really hate how they've changed the air input/output so u can no longer easily hook up ductwork to it. have to imagine they did this for some financial reason, to try to make it more difficult to buy off-the-shelf hardware and more likely to buy their "kit". i've thought long/hard about finding a way to easily pull in outdoor air during the summer and dump the cold "used air" to the outside in the winter but the unit barely runs given i'm the only 1 in the house so, maybe the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Eco mode 25 degree drop before heater goes on Heat Pump mode 5-10 degree drop before heater goes on. Still trying to figure mine out. The Eco app is pretty much useless
Eco Mode is the best. We installed one at our shop and ran it through electric elements only, heat pump only, and energy saving modes each for a month. Energy saving was the most efficient mode across the board. Heat pump can be more efficient if there’s not a high demand for hot water for long periods of time
Mine has worked perfectly. I never thought of ducting warmer air to the air inlet. Would there be an issue having to pull warmer air thru a duct to the system? Would it be more work on the heat pump itself? I have been saving about $50/month since installation.
I thought of the extra load on the built-in fan, so my solution was going to be running a secondary fan off a very small relay to force warm air downstairs through a duct. I was also going to add a replaceable air filter since the secondary fan was going to be handling the extra air resistance load. But I still haven't implemented my idea, so I can't speak as to whether it's going to work well or not at this point. I'll post an update video if I actually go through with it and let you know how it does. Glad to hear you're enjoying your hybrid water heater. We are too - it's been a great investment. We get both hot water and basement dehumidification for the price of dehumidification alone, which we need about 8-10 months out of the year anyways here in Georgia.
@@offgridwanabe Ah well that's a different story. My initial thought is that it's a bad idea, as you're merely creating a hole between your house and your garage. Might as well open the door and save yourself the hassle of running ductwork.
@@dymsza The water heater is mostly manual control. There's an app to control it, but it's extremely buggy and unreliable, and there's no scheduling outside of the vacation mode.
I just installed the newest one which is a gen 5 and it’s been an absolute unmitigated nightmare. When the heat pump compressor is running there is a humming sound you can hear in every corner of my home. It looks like you have a gen 4, what’s your manufacture date?
If you select Energy Saver mode, the heat pump runs down to about 60f. If it goes below that then it kicks on the resistive heating elements and it becomes a plain old fashioned electric water heater.
@@NoelBarlau My cellar barely ever reaches the 60s, even in the summer. Last winter the heat pump was running when it was 23 degrees in the cellar and the air coming out of the water heater was 18 degrees. In the winter, the fan runs at a higher speed when it is using the heat pump, but all but 3 weeks in January, the heat pump was working. It is not nearly as efficient as it is when it is warmer in the cellar, but it is still way more efficient than the resistance elements.
The tank can handle the temp, and you can use mixing valves so 140F water isn't what is delivered to the points of use. I would probably do the same thing with this setup. You'd get a better first-hour rating from the tank, and you'd consume less electricity.
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Nice to see a gen4 hybrid working the way it was intended (quietly and efficiently). Nice setup with your solar I'm sure 👍. The gen5 models are complete garbage IMHO! Hope your ducting system works out for you. I'm going Marathon 105 with 3800 watt elements & solar to stick it to the man 😅 huge thermal battery then blender valve like you have installed. Thanks for sharing!
I honestly haven't heard of the chaos being caused by the Gen5 models. Nor did I know that mine was a Gen4. This one is still purring along happy as a clam. Are there any hybrid models being built today which are worth the money? Because it's hard to pass up a 3/1 multiplier (vs. resistive heating elements) when it's combined with a side of free dehumidification as well as quite a bit of free air conditioning.
@@NoelBarlau the gen5 models have (again in my opinion) cost cutting measures. The firmware has been altered thus causes the resistive heaters to be used way to often... Also it's using a much louder condenser unit and if one complains, all you get is a piece of foam that doesn't help 😑. I would love to benefit from the 3/1 multiplier as you've mentioned; but the only quality I'm interested in are over seas manufacturers and produced far beyond the US current standards (I.E. stainless tanks, CO2 driven compressors, outdoor units, even grid/peak shaving capabilities)!
@@meganwinters5163 Great info, thanks. I'll be sure to follow up with another video when this one finally gives up the ghost. Too bad they changed them, they had a good thing going there with this model.
@@BartmanMi the titanium series heater elements (to my knowledge) do last longer, yes. But for me it's primarily a wattage my off grid solar inverter can handle while still running my critical loads panel 👍.
I just installed mine yesterday and I was very curious of the Energy Save Mode Vs Heat Pump only. I just switch it to Heat Pump only today to try it out and see the difference.
I finally figured out that Energy Saver mode turns on the electric elements if the ambient temperature is below a certain temperature. I'm guessing that temp is about 55 F. Also if there's high demand it turns on the electric elements.
@@NoelBarlau heat pump only it is then lol
How’s the humming sound? Mine is unbearable. What’s your manufacture date?
@@electricbikeparts5202 Manufactured May 2019, and the sound isn't bad at all on mine. It's far quieter than any of my 4 dehumidifiers.
Humming sound is the compressor for the heat pump
i installed this same unit (the 2022 version) a few days ago. i really hate how they've changed the air input/output so u can no longer easily hook up ductwork to it. have to imagine they did this for some financial reason, to try to make it more difficult to buy off-the-shelf hardware and more likely to buy their "kit". i've thought long/hard about finding a way to easily pull in outdoor air during the summer and dump the cold "used air" to the outside in the winter but the unit barely runs given i'm the only 1 in the house so, maybe the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Eco mode 25 degree drop before heater goes on
Heat Pump mode 5-10 degree drop before heater goes on. Still trying to figure mine out. The Eco app is pretty much useless
Eco Mode is the best. We installed one at our shop and ran it through electric elements only, heat pump only, and energy saving modes each for a month. Energy saving was the most efficient mode across the board. Heat pump can be more efficient if there’s not a high demand for hot water for long periods of time
Mine has worked perfectly. I never thought of ducting warmer air to the air inlet. Would there be an issue having to pull warmer air thru a duct to the system? Would it be more work on the heat pump itself? I have been saving about $50/month since installation.
I thought of the extra load on the built-in fan, so my solution was going to be running a secondary fan off a very small relay to force warm air downstairs through a duct. I was also going to add a replaceable air filter since the secondary fan was going to be handling the extra air resistance load. But I still haven't implemented my idea, so I can't speak as to whether it's going to work well or not at this point. I'll post an update video if I actually go through with it and let you know how it does. Glad to hear you're enjoying your hybrid water heater. We are too - it's been a great investment. We get both hot water and basement dehumidification for the price of dehumidification alone, which we need about 8-10 months out of the year anyways here in Georgia.
I was thinking on getting one do you think the exhaust would heat a insulated garage in the winter.
These hybrid water heaters remove heat from the air and exhaust cooled and dried air. They don't heat the air.
@@NoelBarlau Well the exhaust air is warmer than my garage so it would warm it up from below freezing to whatever the exhaust air is.
@@offgridwanabe Are you talking about exhausting it from inside your house into the garage?
@@NoelBarlau yes
@@offgridwanabe Ah well that's a different story. My initial thought is that it's a bad idea, as you're merely creating a hole between your house and your garage. Might as well open the door and save yourself the hassle of running ductwork.
Do you have the 15 amp or 30 amp version?
30
I was considering the some setup with mixing valve etc. How do you control schedule on this ?
The mixing valve? It's a set-and-forget type of thing. You select the outlet temperature and that's it.
No the Tank it self I want it to run hot during "solar" time.
@@dymsza The water heater is mostly manual control. There's an app to control it, but it's extremely buggy and unreliable, and there's no scheduling outside of the vacation mode.
@@NoelBarlau lol I figured. Would it work with external timer?
@@dymsza I don't see why it wouldn't. It's 240v so it'd have to be an appropriate setup for that voltage and high current.
I just installed the newest one which is a gen 5 and it’s been an absolute unmitigated nightmare. When the heat pump compressor is running there is a humming sound you can hear in every corner of my home.
It looks like you have a gen 4, what’s your manufacture date?
How is the heat pump in the winter months
If you select Energy Saver mode, the heat pump runs down to about 60f. If it goes below that then it kicks on the resistive heating elements and it becomes a plain old fashioned electric water heater.
@@NoelBarlau My cellar barely ever reaches the 60s, even in the summer. Last winter the heat pump was running when it was 23 degrees in the cellar and the air coming out of the water heater was 18 degrees. In the winter, the fan runs at a higher speed when it is using the heat pump, but all but 3 weeks in January, the heat pump was working. It is not nearly as efficient as it is when it is warmer in the cellar, but it is still way more efficient than the resistance elements.
there is NO reason to EVER EVER EVER have 140F water temp, that is dangerous and just plain wasteful, doesnt matter why your doing it either!
The tank can handle the temp, and you can use mixing valves so 140F water isn't what is delivered to the points of use. I would probably do the same thing with this setup. You'd get a better first-hour rating from the tank, and you'd consume less electricity.
Tell me you don’t know how a mixing valve works without telling me you don’t know how a mixing valve works.
@@dreednlb I have thermostatic mixing valves with set points to prevent scalding.
@@TylerBell I do as well. I was replying to Karmen.
@Colonel Angus you mean Karen?😂