Engine tuner here. I've tuned countless TI-VCT Sigma 1600 engines. The VVTs on these engine are very powerful. They have so much swing with larier cams, the overlap becomes so great the air will go straight in and out. Causing a misfire. You can see the torque dip at around 3000rpm which I expect it's got a bit too much overlap. In short in not surprised by this. I've done sigma engines with 220hp in "top spec" form (that is a fully built engine though). I bet this will be decent to drive. They only weight 1000kg ish. Same as a mk2 golf GTI
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I have a 2010 Fiesta Zetec S 1.6. Was fitted with the Mountune performance pack at the dealership. 118HP from standard. 120hp on the V5C. Mountune brings it up to 138HP. Along with a 4-1 Exhaust manifold, Sports cat, K&N filter and a different tune on the engine. Sounds absolutely amazing and I’m still shocked I could insure it at 18. Proper car!
The big advantage aftermarket tuners have is that they don't have to worry about emissions, variable fuel quality and reliability anywhere near as much as the manufacturers have to. Makes a big difference to what figures you can get out of an N/A engine, still nowhere near the gains for forced induction but +15 bhp is well in the realms of believable.
+15bhp is a good effort on an N/A! With things like the Honda S2000 or Civic Type R you are lucky to get +5bhp with a remap on a mechanically standard car, as it's already optimised (but already doesn't meet emissions beyond about 2011, of course!). In the Civic Type R (2.0L), the cylinder head does support an extra 30-40bhp before porting with use of the right parts (intake manifold, header, drop-in cam) but the S2000 doesn't as it is already at that 240bhp/2.0L mark!
Got to say that's the cleanest pre-facelift MK7 I've seen in a while! Yeah there's millions still on the roads, but they're all abused now. Would fancy this exact spec tbh if they weren't all chavved out by now
Yeah, I was quite taken with it too. For such a run-of-the-mill car, it was kinda funky and individual. Surprising how cheap/plastic it felt in places, but they were obviously trying to shed weight.
The MK7 Fiesta had two versions of the 1.6 Sigma. 120PS and 134PS. It was called the "Fiesta Motorsport" in Germany, so maybe that's the more powerful one? It had different camshafts and the throttle body from the Fiesta ST as Stock, but on the other hand... it revved all the way to 7 grand. My friend had one back in 2020.
the 134PS engine was in the S1600 in the UK which this is definitely not (that came with white wheels, a pair of white stripes and different badging). Think of it as equivalent to ST vs ST200.
You will see on the wiki you displayed that ford themselves released the same engine with 134 from factory (the s1600). Which according to Evo was "The Zetec S’s 118bhp, 112lb ft 1.6-litre four-pot petrol gets a new low-loss air intake set-up, an overhauled exhaust system (wider pipes, modified rear muffler internals, reduced back pressure, new twin pipes that subtly protrude out the back) and a 300rpm increase in engine speed (to 6800rpm). It’s enough to yield 14bhp and 6lb ft rises. "
My Aunt had one of these and it was surprisingly sporty! While not at the level of the Fiesta ST, the rorty exhaust droned when you sat in the back seat and the ride was rather firm!
Very underrated car these. Performance car took one on the ring along with the swift sport back in 2009 and both did BTG in 9 mins if I recall which was very decent for the power to weight ratio....i'd much rather have this than the later ecoboom zetec s.
And now the latest versions have 155hp and even a 170hp variant for puma st 1.0 version although the issues they have for going boom isn't really related to the power level u could have a 1hp engine with a wet belt and it will still fail it's not really that the pistons go boom on there own its the lack of oil pressure from the wetbelt blockage
And btw I'm not anti-Ford, I have a Mk3.5 Focus ST3 estate in Stealth Grey, the diesel version. Not tuned yet and certainly not with these winter roads ATM lol. Already lights up the front wheels with standard torque in current conditions! 😬
loved this version of the Fiesta, had one before i got rear ended. Love the look and the interioir, phase 2 "aston style" was a downgrade IMO. Never had any issue with it in 9 years. Rip my old Fiesta 😢
From what I remember reading before, the hydraulic lifters on these engines are a limitation to increasing the rev limit. I had a MK5 Fiesta with that 1.6 years ago. It felt cool having over 100bhp at 19 when most people were either driving 65bhp shitters or weren't driving at all.
As far as I know you could get an extra 30 hp (book figure), or more, on Volvos with a third party tune. What happened was that their naturally aspirated 5 cyl from the beginning in the 850 and S/V70 was available in both 10 and 20 valve form. They were supposed to be 140 and 170 hp. Later, from the first S80 onwards (and late S/V70:s as far as I can remember) they did away with this and made all 20 valve, but there was still a 140 and 170. So if you tuned the 140...
I live on the other side of the atlantic but I want to put my Jeep on there so bad. It has a 2.0L turbo 4 with CAI, exhaust, and blowoff valve. It makes *hilarious* turbo sounds while still being vaguely brick shape.
They drive great! Not super fast but quick. The chassis is really incredible and to my understanding is basically the same across the range right up to the ST. Don't want to imagine how slow a base 60hp is but I'm sure it'll corner good!
Makes sense with a tune. There was a S1600/Metals Ford did which based on the 118bhp Zetec S you have there. The S1600/Metals where 134ps/132bhp which was done by special manifold/special factory map lifting peak power point up by 800rpm/free flow ST180 big bore exhaust similar to one your car has/different gearbox ratios. I had a S1600 and was 145bhp with a J1 induction kit. My guess they had bit more than Ford stated, find a S1600/Metals 134ps dyno that be interesting comparison.
when i've fixed it up and got it all sorted out i could possibly bring my 2000 polo 6n2 gti up for a run if you'd be interested in doing that, the car is bone stock at the moment but i'm planning on doing a cold air intake and a cat back exhaust sometime in the next few months, i've only recently got the car and its in need of a few things before i'd be happy to put it on a dyno but its a rare car with a rev happy vvt 1.6 16v so i thought it seemed up your alley
Right... there was 2 versions of the zetec s. one was 118hp and the other was called a metal and had 134 hp. The Metal had a straighter path exhaust manifold, a dual exhaust and a different map in the ecu.
@@UPnDOWN We got the metal edition and an edition called the S1600 which came with a different exhaust and air box giving them 134hp earlier models of them had 118hp (think they changed the gear ratios slightly aswell) they also did mountune kits for the zetec s which were the mp140 and mr155
@@UPnDOWN the metal version was available in the u.k and there are some for sale on autotrader at the moment. I had a zetec s just like the one in the video but in vision blue, great car.
11:43 here in south america we have a lot of Fords with VW engines, the same as a MK3 Golf, and everyone loves them because they are cheap, reliable and easy to work, and I always joke with my friends about that, The best ford's have a non Ford engine 😅
These engines are stonking. In my tuner days we did a few of these, 135bhp was the norm with a map, 140 or so with an exhaust. Add in a set of cams and they’d make 160bhp! Their main problem was that the previous ST had the bigger engine so people immediately dismissed these as inferior.
People sleep on NA tuning but some of them can make very good gains, especially with vvt. Doesnt need to be a 50hp increase to make a difference, too many focus on peak figures and not the whole range. The Astra mk5 1.6 vvt are very similar, 115 standard, have seen one make 141 with just software, panel filter and cat back and still on 95 fuel aswell.
I had a mk3 fiesta si16v that shocked the dyno people as i gained 18bhp from a fse power boost valve, i was told then that for some sort of reason some fords respord really well to modifications
Good evening! I have had a “map” put into my zetec s tivct. However, I am convinced nothing has been done as it felt no different. If you wanted to test it then please do let me know!
Great video. Nice to see a Ford here. Fancy dyno testing a car with an HDi engine in disguise? 2007 Mondeo mk4 2.0 TDCi with 234,000 miles on it? Remapped but still has the DPF, but straight back exhaust. It'd be interesting to see how an "off the shelf" remap from a popular exhaust maker in Leeds does..
Interesting one - fancy dynoing a slightly spicy old Yaris by any chance? 😂 My car is very similar in many ways. 05 Yaris T Sport 1.5, 103bhp factory. Dynoed around 128 ish thanks to a custom intake setup. Curious if that dyno was a bit optimistic. She certainly goes alright-
I had a TS for years and now drive a 1.4 mk7 Fiesta. The gearing makes the largest difference - I'd suspect the 1.6 would be more powerful than the Yaris. Miss the Yaris though. Both good cars. I feel the 1.4 is actually close to the Yaris. Yes mine was modified too.
The Yamaha development was done because ford had a share in them I knew this car would surprise you the small zetec was a great little engine and the 1.25 zetec was a great little car to throw around and the best handling car about
as you've seen, sometimes there's gains to be had. with just the addition of a catless header my NC got within spitting distance of an ND2 engine (179bhp, 207nm).
I had a 2015 mazda 3 2.0, 120HP N/A. I had it remapped to 192HP!!! It was on a dyno and I have the documents. I know the same engine makes 165HP in other Mazda 3`s and 6´s.
Ive never heard of anyone remapping a NA engine as it supposedly at the most makes upto 10% extra performance. Keep thinking of doing our 10 plate Cadillac BLS 2.0T & 14 plate DS3 Thp. Which both been Turbo should make upto an extra 35% .
Did way better than I expected! Would be curious to know what the road manners are like with the remap! It's a pity you can't dyno automatics because I reckon my 2.5T V70 could have that Mr Auto Shenanigans off the top of the leader board despite the slush-box of powerless & disappointment attached🤣
Are these pre-wet rubber timing/oil pump belts, and are they port or direct injection? Always fancied a Focus or a Fiesta as a cheap daily but the wet belts always put me right off.
The power figures aren’t a surprise :) if you look at a similarly aged s1600 fiesta they have pretty much the same set up at this car and they’re 140 standard :)
Most cars have good exhausts as standard nowadays though -- all mandrel bend, usually pretty large diameter (though it depends, 65mm exhaust is typical for a 2.0L turbo which is plenty though, 60mm is still used on Japanese 2.0L turbo cars to keep the noise within strict Japanese limits but even that doesn't cost that much power).
@@DaveSpecC Sometimes! But road cars have the goal of being quiet, which aftermarket exhausts often (very blatantly!) ignore. Engines with turbochargers (and especially Otto Particulate FIlters) are usually inherently quiet anyway, and many have quite straight-through mufflers -- especially with the valves open. Even so, changing the baffled back box on the stock 60mm FN2 Civic Type R system to the full 60mm Fujitsubo "Power Getter" straight-through system only gains 2hp according to Fujitsubo. Yet in exchange for the meagre 2hp, it's over 13 dB (!!!) louder...
@@DaveSpecC Typically, a baffled reverse flow muffler only has 30% more pressure drop than a straight-through muffler (so it only costs a handful of hp) in exchange for making the exhaust much, much quieter. So that's a compromise an OEM is usually quite happy to take. Like I said, turbo engines are usually inherently quiet anyway, so things like a Mk5 Golf GTI or Focus RS have a straight-through internal construction of the stock silencer, while cars like the FIAT 500 Abarth could meet (admittedly the older, more lenient) noise rules without any silencers at all.
Wow, blue bulb indicators and plastic intake gives 19 extra horseys , the remapping and better exhaust only add we a old pedestrian warning system to avoid they cross in front when you passing by {electric cars are very dangerous} :3 We need a BX 16 valves and the 160 Buff Horses that board
Oooh this is interesting my mum has that same engine in her fiesta s1600 and thats rated at 133bhp. It does go well but you really have to rev it. Very similar with her previous st170 the 2.0 in that had more power than in the other vehciles. My mums fiesta is on i think 186k and still runs well itll definitely survive pur ecoboom😂 and that had a new ford supplied engine 3 years ago. Also on the ford quotes figures rhe 2.0tdci/hfdi tends to make more than book figure. Ive heard of some being 20bhp more rhan book maybe because the french were involved i dont know.
The 1.7 sigma was tuned and the head modded by yamaha, all the other sigma/zetec se engines are made by ford. Ive got a mk7 none vvt 1.6 and a mk7 1.6vvt with a few more mods than the 1 in the video, it has miltec 4 2 1 decat, 2.5 system, different injectors and the caterham map, if your localish to me id be happy to come and have a conparable run on your dyno, youve peaked my curiosity
I wonder how the 1.6 VTi 120 in various late 00s/early 10s Peugeots would perform, as both engines appear to have remarkably similar power and torque outputs. Also, we all know the C6 would top this board if only lady luck smiles and you can get the poor girl working properly again.
having the mighty Sigma engine in Italy it's quite complicated, no spare parts, no workshop knows how to handle it, in the end years ago on my Mk 2 Focus 2006 we tuned up all handmade with a friend around this hp, still going strong after 500.000 km (around 310685 miles) on odometer with never opened engine, original head gasket compression still fine, unhappy O2 sensor even brand new, and no smooth riding anymore sadly. Ended up i decide to skip buy a new car, save money meanwhile and go for a total rebuild engine and body, interior are still mint even after such an intense use.
@@UPnDOWN I've a MK1 focus Ghia estate with an auto box. Not many left anymore. Been on Lloyd vehicle consulting channel too. Unsure how the auto box affects the Dyno though as it's 3+od with od lockout on it. Definitely different to an st170 or a diesel. The old zetec blacktop in it and it's a peach of an engine. Also have an old mk1 1.9di vivaro with 82bhp when new which would definitely be different! Love these Dyno videos and your attraction to french motors. I'm a pug and Citroen fan too.
They had what is in my opinion the best engine ever… the BDA/G I think they should’ve developed that & that would be the engine to have today but… accountants run ford so… question who did the remap I have a focus with that engine I’d like to have done
Agree the BDA is one of the great 4cyl engines, but that's my point though - the BDA is a Cosworth engine, not a Ford engine. They took a basic Ford block as a starting point, but the development and result is all Cosworth.
Escort MK VII, 27 years on the road. "Endura-E" or modernized Kent 1.3l, 60hp. Crankshaft knocked when started cold in cold weather (a feature). It had that 0.5mm gap and tappety-tappeted itself to heaven at 183.000km. Replaced with non-tappety (0.3mm gap) "Endura" from Fiesta for 150€. Darn thing did not have a temp sensor hole drilled all the waay so temp sensor had to be adjusted (by resistors) to measure cyl head temp. Also knocking when cold but got used to it. Mechanically it is quite fit, but 2025 will be its last year, anti-corrosive protection underneath holds shape but metal underneath it crumbles to dust, praying at MOT that guy does not press it with a pinky finger.
@docnele I'm surprised an escort of that era lasted that long to be honest. My dad bought a 1999 escort feel free to see it's last mot v679 ddx it failed horrifically in 2010. Them enduras are brill yes very tappy but superb. Actually I was seeing a girls use ago with a Ka with 1.3 and that things was not ticky at all which is very rare for them superb little car and the rust got that aswell. Not great engines as in power and refinement but simple and just work well they can take alot of abuse and still work.
The "has Ford ever made a good engine" part is quite hilarious. We have a sort of rude saying about Ford, namely that Ford was created so Opel (Vauxhall for you lot) wouldn't be the worst car manufacturer.
I know they have both made some awful cars, but Ford are surely the better of the two? Certainly behind the wheel, anyway. Vauxhall/Opel possibly more robust?
@@UPnDOWN I don't think we are meant to have religious debates on here! Ford have made plenty of good engines IMHO, the Windsor, the Modular, the 300ci Inline-six, the Ford Australia Intech & Barra inline-sixes (not as good as the Toyota JZ, but close to the Nissan RB engine). Do you reckon the European Ford engines like the Essex V4 and Colonge V6 are not much chop?
Where are you based happy to bring my 2002 Ibiza 1.9tdi should see over 300bhp but never been on a rolling road 🤣 but runs a 13.1 1/4 and a 10sec 100-200kph
Great video mate I had a 99 zetec 1.25 it was developed by Yamaha and I had a drivability chip on it it produced 125 and I used it as a driving instructor car for 4 years I did a thousand miles a week and changed the oil/filter (genuine ford parts/oil) once a month I sold it with 200 thousand miles and did not loose oil or water 3 clutches 3 sets of pads/dics
@ I thought the same but I had it on a rolling road at 24000 miles it produced 89 hp(at wheels) I had different injectors and a drivability chip it produced 125 hp!! I bought it off another driving instructor who serviced it religiously and I had it for years it red lines at 6600 and had genuine ford exhaust but a k&n panel filter Sorry to see it go Believe it or not mate up to u
@@davecoleman7431 Not a hope @ 125bhp. 89bhp with estimated drivetrain losses added on an optimistic dyno is just about within the bounds of plausibility.
@ you are entitled to your opinion mate , FairPlay on what u said but I saw it with me own eyes Maybe the dyno was not 💯accurate but it pulled well and surprised a lot of people What is harder to believe is that I had it over 4 years and with mega regular servicing gave me no problems and I sold it with over 200,000 miles Always carefully warmed up all fluids changed regularly Lost no oil/water
Those indicators add 10hp each clearly. Missus has one of these. Had it 12 years, fun as hell with no mods/remap. Rarely has any issues besides ones caused by her crashing into stuff. Think we might need to remap it now. Dont think I'll get wife approval for a dyno run sorry!
Feel free to get my (almost) 20 y.o. 320 cd on there. It's had a little tune but I'd love to know what it puts out after 175000 miles😬. (P.s. I'm Cameron's dad!!😅).
A remap on naturally aspirated engines can be very hit and miss. I’ve seen some that only gain a little bit and aren’t really worth the time. I’ve seen others that gained quite a bit because the factory tune was so far off. Often had to do with timing and how rich the fueling was because most factory stuff is pretty rich. With modern e-throttles and cam timing the factory also sometimes does weird stuff for emissions or other reasons.
Some Skoda fabia mk1 have coil packs and som mk2 have HT leads. Even if the older car is MPI and the newer is FSI/TSI. There seems to really be very little rhyme or reason to it.
I guess Ford made some decent engines at some point like the 427 ( how many times they won LeMans with that?) some Cobra Jets, there is a thing called the Boss 302…anyway.
They won Le Mans because of the car it was in, to be fair, but I take your point. I was thinking more of euro markets, forgot Ford is actually American 😄 We had it drilled into us for so long that Ford was British. Guarantee you they'd never have been as popular here in the 60s-90s if people twigged
It’s surprising given a Clio 172/182 would struggle to better 160bhp on the dyno stock despite its 400cc advantage and it also runs a VVT system. Finding gains on those is also hard work
I don't think is a remap, it is the exhaust, and check to see if there is another feed off the cool air box, and extractors.... Puma Speed off a kit without a remap around 140bhp.
I've got a remap on my 182 and it didn't make any extra power, but it does smooth out the rough idle and it pulls nicer all through the rev range. 15 extra HP is pretty sensational for a 1.6. Also I'll just chime in on good Ford engines, the aus 4.0 Barra is probably their best but I am obviously biased.
The 182s are pretty well sorted from factory so there isn’t much room for extra power unless you start spending lots of money and even then lucky to get 20hp with thousands spent
@@gandi69I had a 54 plate 182 brilliant car , only mod was a k & N filter with the induction kit. Supposedly added about 5% so taking the car to around 190bhp. I couldn't tell the difference but it definitely sounded slightly better.
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Engine tuner here. I've tuned countless TI-VCT Sigma 1600 engines. The VVTs on these engine are very powerful. They have so much swing with larier cams, the overlap becomes so great the air will go straight in and out. Causing a misfire. You can see the torque dip at around 3000rpm which I expect it's got a bit too much overlap.
In short in not surprised by this. I've done sigma engines with 220hp in "top spec" form (that is a fully built engine though).
I bet this will be decent to drive. They only weight 1000kg ish. Same as a mk2 golf GTI
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I have a 2010 Fiesta Zetec S 1.6. Was fitted with the Mountune performance pack at the dealership. 118HP from standard. 120hp on the V5C. Mountune brings it up to 138HP. Along with a 4-1 Exhaust manifold, Sports cat, K&N filter and a different tune on the engine. Sounds absolutely amazing and I’m still shocked I could insure it at 18. Proper car!
The big advantage aftermarket tuners have is that they don't have to worry about emissions, variable fuel quality and reliability anywhere near as much as the manufacturers have to. Makes a big difference to what figures you can get out of an N/A engine, still nowhere near the gains for forced induction but +15 bhp is well in the realms of believable.
+15bhp is a good effort on an N/A! With things like the Honda S2000 or Civic Type R you are lucky to get +5bhp with a remap on a mechanically standard car, as it's already optimised (but already doesn't meet emissions beyond about 2011, of course!). In the Civic Type R (2.0L), the cylinder head does support an extra 30-40bhp before porting with use of the right parts (intake manifold, header, drop-in cam) but the S2000 doesn't as it is already at that 240bhp/2.0L mark!
That's the whole point isn't it?
Got to say that's the cleanest pre-facelift MK7 I've seen in a while! Yeah there's millions still on the roads, but they're all abused now.
Would fancy this exact spec tbh if they weren't all chavved out by now
Yeah, I was quite taken with it too. For such a run-of-the-mill car, it was kinda funky and individual. Surprising how cheap/plastic it felt in places, but they were obviously trying to shed weight.
I have a bog standard 118bhp Mk7 ZS reg in 2012. always wanted to mod it to get the 134map. Now to try and convince the wife. Haha...great vid.
The MK7 Fiesta had two versions of the 1.6 Sigma. 120PS and 134PS. It was called the "Fiesta Motorsport" in Germany, so maybe that's the more powerful one? It had different camshafts and the throttle body from the Fiesta ST as Stock, but on the other hand... it revved all the way to 7 grand. My friend had one back in 2020.
@@aleksanderursus other regions it was called the Zetec S Metal. It got a freer-flowing exhaust, better air intake and 300 more rpm up to 6800
the 134PS engine was in the S1600 in the UK which this is definitely not (that came with white wheels, a pair of white stripes and different badging). Think of it as equivalent to ST vs ST200.
And they did a short run of MP140 with 140bhp but only in white. Moutune made this upgrade available to all as I had mine done
You will see on the wiki you displayed that ford themselves released the same engine with 134 from factory (the s1600). Which according to Evo was
"The Zetec S’s 118bhp, 112lb ft 1.6-litre four-pot petrol gets a new low-loss air intake set-up, an overhauled exhaust system (wider pipes, modified rear muffler internals, reduced back pressure, new twin pipes that subtly protrude out the back) and a 300rpm increase in engine speed (to 6800rpm). It’s enough to yield 14bhp and 6lb ft rises. "
Thanks!
Genuinely enjoyable video 🙂👍🏼
My Aunt had one of these and it was surprisingly sporty! While not at the level of the Fiesta ST, the rorty exhaust droned when you sat in the back seat and the ride was rather firm!
I had a mk7 ztec S Fiesta and loved it.
I got it on motability as well.
Very underrated car these. Performance car took one on the ring along with the swift sport back in 2009 and both did BTG in 9 mins if I recall which was very decent for the power to weight ratio....i'd much rather have this than the later ecoboom zetec s.
God damn it now I want another Fiesta Zetec S!!! Mine got rear-ended about a year ago and I miss it. It was a great car
Perfect engine for mk 1 fiesta. Crazy to think that they sell 1 liter fiestas with same 140hp
Yup, right up until the wet belt destroys the engine!
BOOMers
And now the latest versions have 155hp and even a 170hp variant for puma st 1.0 version although the issues they have for going boom isn't really related to the power level u could have a 1hp engine with a wet belt and it will still fail it's not really that the pistons go boom on there own its the lack of oil pressure from the wetbelt blockage
@@3rdworldgarage450 Indeed lol. FORD = Found Oily Rubber Deposits 😂
And btw I'm not anti-Ford, I have a Mk3.5 Focus ST3 estate in Stealth Grey, the diesel version. Not tuned yet and certainly not with these winter roads ATM lol. Already lights up the front wheels with standard torque in current conditions! 😬
loved this version of the Fiesta, had one before i got rear ended. Love the look and the interioir, phase 2 "aston style" was a downgrade IMO. Never had any issue with it in 9 years. Rip my old Fiesta 😢
Mountine did a tune and exhaust upgrade to get you 140bhp. MP140. Ford did actually do a short run of the MP140 from factory
From what I remember reading before, the hydraulic lifters on these engines are a limitation to increasing the rev limit. I had a MK5 Fiesta with that 1.6 years ago. It felt cool having over 100bhp at 19 when most people were either driving 65bhp shitters or weren't driving at all.
Ahh, that could be a reason. My FIL had the Puma with the 1.7 lump, and I don't remember that revving particularly high, either. Maybe that's why?
Yeah I believe you hit the limitation nail on the head there mate 👍
@@UPnDOWN I have a mk7 1.6 titanium 1.6 EF10EHP stock 67k on the clock Manchester based you could dyno same engine 120ps
As far as I know you could get an extra 30 hp (book figure), or more, on Volvos with a third party tune. What happened was that their naturally aspirated 5 cyl from the beginning in the 850 and S/V70 was available in both 10 and 20 valve form. They were supposed to be 140 and 170 hp. Later, from the first S80 onwards (and late S/V70:s as far as I can remember) they did away with this and made all 20 valve, but there was still a 140 and 170. So if you tuned the 140...
Yep, tons of NA cars (not only Volvos) are just software limited, meaning a "tune" can easily "restore/unlock" whats already there, hardware wise.
@@GoldenCroc BMW N52B30 is one of these, 170kw in a 125i but magically 190kw in a 330.
@@mclouj Yep, BMW has been doing it a long time as well, with numerous engine models.
I live on the other side of the atlantic but I want to put my Jeep on there so bad. It has a 2.0L turbo 4 with CAI, exhaust, and blowoff valve. It makes *hilarious* turbo sounds while still being vaguely brick shape.
Brilliant car loves those older fiestas with the sigma
Man, I had one of those when I was in college, a manual. Miss that little rascal so badly.
She’s still does good MPG too
You sure the dyno will survive this! 😉
Wow, didn’t think it would make that much power. Bet it’s fun to drive
Should think it drives well, though probably not as quick as you'd think as they're quite heavy.
@ Good point 👍🏻
They drive great! Not super fast but quick. The chassis is really incredible and to my understanding is basically the same across the range right up to the ST. Don't want to imagine how slow a base 60hp is but I'm sure it'll corner good!
Parker’s claim it weighs 1045KG
Makes sense with a tune.
There was a S1600/Metals Ford did which based on the 118bhp Zetec S you have there.
The S1600/Metals where 134ps/132bhp which was done by special manifold/special factory map lifting peak power point up by 800rpm/free flow ST180 big bore exhaust similar to one your car has/different gearbox ratios.
I had a S1600 and was 145bhp with a J1 induction kit.
My guess they had bit more than Ford stated, find a S1600/Metals 134ps dyno that be interesting comparison.
I have a Mondeo with a Duratec 30 if you'd like something to compare with at the top end? Not a Fiesta though sadly
I'd much rather have that, at that power output than a 180bhp turbo ST.
when i've fixed it up and got it all sorted out i could possibly bring my 2000 polo 6n2 gti up for a run if you'd be interested in doing that, the car is bone stock at the moment but i'm planning on doing a cold air intake and a cat back exhaust sometime in the next few months, i've only recently got the car and its in need of a few things before i'd be happy to put it on a dyno but its a rare car with a rev happy vvt 1.6 16v so i thought it seemed up your alley
I had two mates with these, when we went to a rolling road day, both of theirs made over 125bhp. Zero other mods.
Right... there was 2 versions of the zetec s. one was 118hp and the other was called a metal and had 134 hp. The Metal had a straighter path exhaust manifold, a dual exhaust and a different map in the ecu.
I think there were about 431 different versions to be honest! But I'm learning of this 134bhp version, which it sounds like we didn't get.
@@UPnDOWN We got the metal edition and an edition called the S1600 which came with a different exhaust and air box giving them 134hp earlier models of them had 118hp (think they changed the gear ratios slightly aswell) they also did mountune kits for the zetec s which were the mp140 and mr155
@@UPnDOWN the metal version was available in the u.k and there are some for sale on autotrader at the moment. I had a zetec s just like the one in the video but in vision blue, great car.
Hmmm thought so. I can believe them numbers.
11:43 here in south america we have a lot of Fords with VW engines, the same as a MK3 Golf, and everyone loves them because they are cheap, reliable and easy to work, and I always joke with my friends about that, The best ford's have a non Ford engine 😅
These engines are stonking. In my tuner days we did a few of these, 135bhp was the norm with a map, 140 or so with an exhaust. Add in a set of cams and they’d make 160bhp!
Their main problem was that the previous ST had the bigger engine so people immediately dismissed these as inferior.
Also the 2.0 ST150 could easy make over 180 with cams and exhaust.
People sleep on NA tuning but some of them can make very good gains, especially with vvt. Doesnt need to be a 50hp increase to make a difference, too many focus on peak figures and not the whole range.
The Astra mk5 1.6 vvt are very similar, 115 standard, have seen one make 141 with just software, panel filter and cat back and still on 95 fuel aswell.
I had a mk3 fiesta si16v that shocked the dyno people as i gained 18bhp from a fse power boost valve, i was told then that for some sort of reason some fords respord really well to modifications
Good evening! I have had a “map” put into my zetec s tivct. However, I am convinced nothing has been done as it felt no different. If you wanted to test it then please do let me know!
Great video. Nice to see a Ford here. Fancy dyno testing a car with an HDi engine in disguise? 2007 Mondeo mk4 2.0 TDCi with 234,000 miles on it? Remapped but still has the DPF, but straight back exhaust. It'd be interesting to see how an "off the shelf" remap from a popular exhaust maker in Leeds does..
Could you do your own map on the fiesta? Maybe clean up that torque dip and raise the limiter?
So are you after any car to add to the board? I have a boring Peugeot 1.6 HDi that appears to be gutless before the turbo kicks in.
I have a 1996 Golf GTI 16v remapped back in the day by AMD 150 standard 170-175 on various dynos . Apparently VW detuned the 16V not to upset the VR6
20-25bhp more than a Vauxhall Redtop? Hmmm.
@@UPnDOWN redtops often made 160-170 aswell to be fair.
Yes detuned to stop it being more powerful 2.8 vr6
I had my swift sport mapped (1.6 NA) only gain 9 hp but better throttle response and 5 more mpg on average
Interesting one - fancy dynoing a slightly spicy old Yaris by any chance? 😂 My car is very similar in many ways. 05 Yaris T Sport 1.5, 103bhp factory. Dynoed around 128 ish thanks to a custom intake setup. Curious if that dyno was a bit optimistic. She certainly goes alright-
Hmmm, yeah could be!
I had a TS for years and now drive a 1.4 mk7 Fiesta. The gearing makes the largest difference - I'd suspect the 1.6 would be more powerful than the Yaris.
Miss the Yaris though. Both good cars. I feel the 1.4 is actually close to the Yaris. Yes mine was modified too.
The Yamaha development was done because ford had a share in them
I knew this car would surprise you the small zetec was a great little engine and the 1.25 zetec was a great little car to throw around and the best handling car about
They do handle well, though I wouldn't agree they're the best handling.
I’ve got a 1.6TDCI powered mk7 zetec s goes well after a remap
And cheap road tax I bet
@@grumpytorque8905 Yeah it’s only 20 quid a year lol
I've sadly not got one for you to test but i have a slightly ropey 1.2 Corsa D that would love to go on a dyno
Fiesta st with the 1.6t engine is the one to have , 300bhp with a hybrid turbo 😅 no wet belt or block issues
as you've seen, sometimes there's gains to be had. with just the addition of a catless header my NC got within spitting distance of an ND2 engine (179bhp, 207nm).
I've no idea what an NC or ND2 is...
@UPnDOWN mx5
I had a 2015 mazda 3 2.0, 120HP N/A. I had it remapped to 192HP!!! It was on a dyno and I have the documents. I know the same engine makes 165HP in other Mazda 3`s and 6´s.
😂😂😂
The w204 c63 responds very well to a map, from 457bhp to around 510-520bhp
Ive never heard of anyone remapping a NA engine as it supposedly at the most makes upto 10% extra performance. Keep thinking of doing our 10 plate Cadillac BLS 2.0T & 14 plate DS3 Thp. Which both been Turbo should make upto an extra 35% .
Did way better than I expected! Would be curious to know what the road manners are like with the remap! It's a pity you can't dyno automatics because I reckon my 2.5T V70 could have that Mr Auto Shenanigans off the top of the leader board despite the slush-box of powerless & disappointment attached🤣
@@indecisiveauto you’re welcome to do a road test of it
The S-Max could have the title if I was so inclined, but I don't want the leader to be an MPV!
@UPnDOWN if we tried the V70 and go no result would I have the humiliation of being below Elly as a DND? (Did Not Dyno) 🤣
I brought a mk7 as a winter daily £600 1.4 tdci 11 months mot
Are these pre-wet rubber timing/oil pump belts, and are they port or direct injection?
Always fancied a Focus or a Fiesta as a cheap daily but the wet belts always put me right off.
No wet belts on this engine
@grumpytorque8905 What year was the changeover to the Ecoboosts in the UK do you know?
@ I think 2012
@@grumpytorque8905 Nice one, will be on the lookout. 👍
Interesting... wonder what I could get out of my CRZ. 135hp from standard. maybe over 140 when tuned??
Are they manual transmission?
@@UPnDOWN yes
The power figures aren’t a surprise :) if you look at a similarly aged s1600 fiesta they have pretty much the same set up at this car and they’re 140 standard :)
You'd be surprised how much of a difference a good exhaust will make
Most cars have good exhausts as standard nowadays though -- all mandrel bend, usually pretty large diameter (though it depends, 65mm exhaust is typical for a 2.0L turbo which is plenty though, 60mm is still used on Japanese 2.0L turbo cars to keep the noise within strict Japanese limits but even that doesn't cost that much power).
@@TassieLorenzo the bends and diameter usually aren't the problem, the silencers are.
@@DaveSpecC Sometimes! But road cars have the goal of being quiet, which aftermarket exhausts often (very blatantly!) ignore. Engines with turbochargers (and especially Otto Particulate FIlters) are usually inherently quiet anyway, and many have quite straight-through mufflers -- especially with the valves open.
Even so, changing the baffled back box on the stock 60mm FN2 Civic Type R system to the full 60mm Fujitsubo "Power Getter" straight-through system only gains 2hp according to Fujitsubo. Yet in exchange for the meagre 2hp, it's over 13 dB (!!!) louder...
@@DaveSpecC Typically, a baffled reverse flow muffler only has 30% more pressure drop than a straight-through muffler (so it only costs a handful of hp) in exchange for making the exhaust much, much quieter. So that's a compromise an OEM is usually quite happy to take.
Like I said, turbo engines are usually inherently quiet anyway, so things like a Mk5 Golf GTI or Focus RS have a straight-through internal construction of the stock silencer, while cars like the FIAT 500 Abarth could meet (admittedly the older, more lenient) noise rules without any silencers at all.
Wow, blue bulb indicators and plastic intake gives 19 extra horseys , the remapping and better exhaust only add we a old pedestrian warning system to avoid they cross in front when you passing by {electric cars are very dangerous} :3 We need a BX 16 valves and the 160 Buff Horses that board
You'll get a BX 16V on there in the near future...
@@UPnDOWN Nice :D
I’m interested to know how much my zafira Sri diesel is running
Oooh this is interesting my mum has that same engine in her fiesta s1600 and thats rated at 133bhp. It does go well but you really have to rev it. Very similar with her previous st170 the 2.0 in that had more power than in the other vehciles. My mums fiesta is on i think 186k and still runs well itll definitely survive pur ecoboom😂 and that had a new ford supplied engine 3 years ago. Also on the ford quotes figures rhe 2.0tdci/hfdi tends to make more than book figure. Ive heard of some being 20bhp more rhan book maybe because the french were involved i dont know.
I have the same engine in my focus, rated at 115bhp. You can test that if you want 😅
The 1.7 sigma was tuned and the head modded by yamaha, all the other sigma/zetec se engines are made by ford. Ive got a mk7 none vvt 1.6 and a mk7 1.6vvt with a few more mods than the 1 in the video, it has miltec 4 2 1 decat, 2.5 system, different injectors and the caterham map, if your localish to me id be happy to come and have a conparable run on your dyno, youve peaked my curiosity
I wonder how the 1.6 VTi 120 in various late 00s/early 10s Peugeots would perform, as both engines appear to have remarkably similar power and torque outputs.
Also, we all know the C6 would top this board if only lady luck smiles and you can get the poor girl working properly again.
If that's the Prince engine then I suspect its output is measured in oil consumed rather than horsepower.
I have the 120hp version, it tops out at 185kph and gets toasty. Its done 220k km :D
Flumoxed is the word you were searching for...😂
Would you be interested in putting my mk6 fiesta st150 on the dyno? 2.0 na
I'd like to put my 2.2 Transit Custom on this Dyno.
Remap gives it nearly twice the power
If it was a smiley-face 2.5d I'd have been up for it!
having the mighty Sigma engine in Italy it's quite complicated, no spare parts, no workshop knows how to handle it, in the end years ago on my Mk 2 Focus 2006 we tuned up all handmade with a friend around this hp, still going strong after 500.000 km (around 310685 miles) on odometer with never opened engine, original head gasket compression still fine, unhappy O2 sensor even brand new, and no smooth riding anymore sadly. Ended up i decide to skip buy a new car, save money meanwhile and go for a total rebuild engine and body, interior are still mint even after such an intense use.
UPnDown has a ford on the dyno?
Would he let me bring my 2004 focus down?
Mmmm, maybe. I've got an ST170 going on fairly soon but if you've got a diesel or something?
@@UPnDOWN dammit - mines an ST170
Funny this Fiesta replaced my Focus ST170
@@UPnDOWN I've a MK1 focus Ghia estate with an auto box. Not many left anymore. Been on Lloyd vehicle consulting channel too. Unsure how the auto box affects the Dyno though as it's 3+od with od lockout on it. Definitely different to an st170 or a diesel. The old zetec blacktop in it and it's a peach of an engine. Also have an old mk1 1.9di vivaro with 82bhp when new which would definitely be different!
Love these Dyno videos and your attraction to french motors. I'm a pug and Citroen fan too.
They had what is in my opinion the best engine ever… the BDA/G I think they should’ve developed that & that would be the engine to have today but… accountants run ford so… question who did the remap I have a focus with that engine I’d like to have done
Agree the BDA is one of the great 4cyl engines, but that's my point though - the BDA is a Cosworth engine, not a Ford engine. They took a basic Ford block as a starting point, but the development and result is all Cosworth.
@ well the only ford developed engine would have to be the coyote engine
The kent engine was a gooden. Not alot of power but very good.
Escort MK VII, 27 years on the road. "Endura-E" or modernized Kent 1.3l, 60hp. Crankshaft knocked when started cold in cold weather (a feature). It had that 0.5mm gap and tappety-tappeted itself to heaven at 183.000km. Replaced with non-tappety (0.3mm gap) "Endura" from Fiesta for 150€. Darn thing did not have a temp sensor hole drilled all the waay so temp sensor had to be adjusted (by resistors) to measure cyl head temp. Also knocking when cold but got used to it. Mechanically it is quite fit, but 2025 will be its last year, anti-corrosive protection underneath holds shape but metal underneath it crumbles to dust, praying at MOT that guy does not press it with a pinky finger.
@docnele I'm surprised an escort of that era lasted that long to be honest. My dad bought a 1999 escort feel free to see it's last mot v679 ddx it failed horrifically in 2010. Them enduras are brill yes very tappy but superb. Actually I was seeing a girls use ago with a Ka with 1.3 and that things was not ticky at all which is very rare for them superb little car and the rust got that aswell. Not great engines as in power and refinement but simple and just work well they can take alot of abuse and still work.
Did ford do that modern manufacturer thing and just limit the BHP via the ECU?
BMW were guilty of that on N/A motors.
I don't think they limited it at all, I reckon it would have pushed 125bhp in standard trim.
Was that just ECU on BMW E90 323i compared to E90 328i? Did the more powerful version of the 2.5L also have a different intake manifold or something?
The metal edition fiesta is 130bhp, and the same engine in the caterham is closer to 160bhp
The "has Ford ever made a good engine" part is quite hilarious.
We have a sort of rude saying about Ford, namely that Ford was created so Opel (Vauxhall for you lot) wouldn't be the worst car manufacturer.
I know they have both made some awful cars, but Ford are surely the better of the two? Certainly behind the wheel, anyway.
Vauxhall/Opel possibly more robust?
@@UPnDOWN I don't think we are meant to have religious debates on here! Ford have made plenty of good engines IMHO, the Windsor, the Modular, the 300ci Inline-six, the Ford Australia Intech & Barra inline-sixes (not as good as the Toyota JZ, but close to the Nissan RB engine). Do you reckon the European Ford engines like the Essex V4 and Colonge V6 are not much chop?
Where are you based happy to bring my 2002 Ibiza 1.9tdi should see over 300bhp but never been on a rolling road 🤣 but runs a 13.1 1/4 and a 10sec 100-200kph
Great video mate
I had a 99 zetec 1.25 it was developed by Yamaha and I had a drivability chip on it it produced 125 and I used it as a driving instructor car for 4 years I did a thousand miles a week and changed the oil/filter (genuine ford parts/oil) once a month
I sold it with 200 thousand miles and did not loose oil or water
3 clutches
3 sets of pads/dics
Sorry but there is no chance a '99 1.25 had 125HP, the book figure was 73HP.
Apologies if it was just a typo!
125hp? Not in a million years!! lol.
@ I thought the same but I had it on a rolling road at 24000 miles it produced 89 hp(at wheels) I had different injectors and a drivability chip it produced 125 hp!!
I bought it off another driving instructor who serviced it religiously and I had it for years it red lines at 6600 and had genuine ford exhaust but a k&n panel filter
Sorry to see it go
Believe it or not mate up to u
@@davecoleman7431 Not a hope @ 125bhp. 89bhp with estimated drivetrain losses added on an optimistic dyno is just about within the bounds of plausibility.
@ you are entitled to your opinion mate , FairPlay on what u said but I saw it with me own eyes
Maybe the dyno was not 💯accurate but it pulled well and surprised a lot of people
What is harder to believe is that I had it over 4 years and with mega regular servicing gave me no problems and I sold it with over 200,000 miles
Always carefully warmed up all fluids changed regularly
Lost no oil/water
Those indicators add 10hp each clearly. Missus has one of these. Had it 12 years, fun as hell with no mods/remap. Rarely has any issues besides ones caused by her crashing into stuff. Think we might need to remap it now. Dont think I'll get wife approval for a dyno run sorry!
Just change the indicators mate - that'll do nicely AND it is dirt cheap.
Apparently they're not dirt cheap anymore!
@@UPnDOWN Is that because you've now proven that if someone wants to chad up their car, this is the way to go?
@@UPnDOWN I have found another supply of them, not cheap but cheaper 😂
Yeah, so Ford Australia def made a decent engine - the mighty Barra 😁
Ahh, yes. Fair point - I'm too conditioned to think of euro markets only!
Feel free to get my (almost) 20 y.o. 320 cd on there. It's had a little tune but I'd love to know what it puts out after 175000 miles😬. (P.s. I'm Cameron's dad!!😅).
A remap on naturally aspirated engines can be very hit and miss. I’ve seen some that only gain a little bit and aren’t really worth the time. I’ve seen others that gained quite a bit because the factory tune was so far off.
Often had to do with timing and how rich the fueling was because most factory stuff is pretty rich. With modern e-throttles and cam timing the factory also sometimes does weird stuff for emissions or other reasons.
Some Skoda fabia mk1 have coil packs and som mk2 have HT leads. Even if the older car is MPI and the newer is FSI/TSI. There seems to really be very little rhyme or reason to it.
I guess Ford made some decent engines at some point like the 427 ( how many times they won LeMans with that?) some Cobra Jets, there is a thing called the Boss 302…anyway.
They won Le Mans because of the car it was in, to be fair, but I take your point. I was thinking more of euro markets, forgot Ford is actually American 😄
We had it drilled into us for so long that Ford was British. Guarantee you they'd never have been as popular here in the 60s-90s if people twigged
@@UPnDOWNor (God forbid) german - which they kinda were in the late 80's and 90's.
It’s surprising given a Clio 172/182 would struggle to better 160bhp on the dyno stock despite its 400cc advantage and it also runs a VVT system. Finding gains on those is also hard work
@@exgtt2061 The F4R 73x seem to be a better engine than the 83x
The Clios struggle to hit the book figures?
@@UPnDOWN For what it’s worth mine hit 109kw atw which is around 150hp I think- they just don’t dyno well. Feels plenty fast on the road though.
@ yup, 197’s are worse than the 1*2’s. They do decent torque though 👌
Only 160bhp on a 172/82 means somethings up, namely it’s not timed up properly
lol ST reg on a Zetec S, the other way round to the unfortunate "CVH" reg on one Sierra Cosworth.
1st registered in Scotland hence the ST plate
@@grumpytorque8905indeed, thanks 😊
Have you read the spark correctly, could you put in a preset figure?
@@yekateradiffin5939 Sorry?
I have a standard MK7 ZS you can test
That dip in torque around the normal driving speed would make it harder work to drive on a typical run, I am guessing.
Hardly night and day really, so I dont think it would be that noticeable.
I don't think you'd notice - this is flat out, remember. In normal driving it wouldn't be as pronounced.
I have a mrk 6 fiesta 1.25 if you're interested dynoing it??
Hoping for a mk4 if I'm honest! That's the one I associate with the 1.25 engine
Hi, you could dyno mine. Please let me know if you still wanna do it. Stock 2012 car, 1.6TI-VCT
So... a 1600cc car that pushes out the same horsepower as my Dad's 3 litre Mk. IV Zodiac did in 1970. Ye Gods...
Wait until you hear about the Hondas etc that had even more power than this from a 1600cc in the 1980s...
Probably weighs a fair bit more though...
I don't think is a remap, it is the exhaust, and check to see if there is another feed off the cool air box, and extractors....
Puma Speed off a kit without a remap around 140bhp.
Looks like a crime scene at 4:20 - dare we ask..?
Still picking on Hubnut 😂
Wait until Ian brings a spectacular over achiever to set the records straight.
Don’t worry about Hubnut, it’s Miss Hubnut what will bring something spectacular 😂
@@grumpytorque8905do you have inside information 😂
@@kimmohietala5359not this time 😂
Mk6 in everywhere else but the UK, where they seem to confuse a face lift with a new model. 🤣🤣
Name that tune (please)
Owner says man is no longer in business :-(
@UPnDOWN that's unfortunate.
full exhaust, jets, air filter... and remap that... it's 150+
"jets"?!
I'm with UpnDown. Jets? do you mean injectors?
@@dwarf365 yeah, injectors, sorry, I mainly do old carbies
@UPnDOWN yes jets... what they used in carbs before fuel injection
Ford did a mountune conversion on these u sure it hasn't got one ford made the 1.8/2.0 zetec which is good
True, black & silvertop Zetecs are good enough, but they're not 'amazing' as such. Decent though.
Mines a diesel...
Where are you based
Looks like it has a k@n panel filter as well
I've got a remap on my 182 and it didn't make any extra power, but it does smooth out the rough idle and it pulls nicer all through the rev range.
15 extra HP is pretty sensational for a 1.6.
Also I'll just chime in on good Ford engines, the aus 4.0 Barra is probably their best but I am obviously biased.
Very true on the Barra - I don't know them, but I'm informed they're decent. I'm too conditioned to think about euro-spec Fords.
The 182s are pretty well sorted from factory so there isn’t much room for extra power unless you start spending lots of money and even then lucky to get 20hp with thousands spent
@@gandi69I had a 54 plate 182 brilliant car , only mod was a k & N filter with the induction kit. Supposedly added about 5% so taking the car to around 190bhp. I couldn't tell the difference but it definitely sounded slightly better.