Medtner - Sonata in F Minor Op. 5 (Tozer, Debargue)

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  • @SeigneurReefShark
    @SeigneurReefShark  3 года назад +21

    Tozer :
    00:00 - I. Allegro
    11:44 - II. Intermezzo: Allegro
    15:00 - III. Largo
    22:49 - IV. Finale: Allegro risoluto
    Debargue :
    30:50 - I. Allegro
    43:25 - II. Intermezzo: Allegro
    49:07 - III. Largo
    57:57 - IV. Finale: Allegro risoluto
    Medtner's Sonata in F minor, Op. 5, is the first sonata Medtner composed. This sonata shows some influence of Scriabin and Rachmaninoff, however, its very original and already features some of the genius Medtner's craftmanship. Even though not representing the later works of the composer, Medtner gaining in subtlety and complexity in the years, this work is already particularly impressive, and clearly shows Medtner's ability to compose pieces with a total mastery of the structure. The first movement is dramatic and already seems to feature tale-like Medtner style. Then, the second movement is an intermezzo, darker than the first movement and march-like. The third movement is marked "Largo divoto" and make the transition with the fourth movement with an epic maestoso climax. The fourth movement is absolutely incredible : an unstoppable flow, a diabolic race, getting crazier and crazier until the final measures : an explosive, jubilant end.
    The two performances left me speechless. There won't be much to say about Tozer recording, it's simply amazing, full of fire and passion. But then, i got absolutely stroke by the Debargue interpretation. A relatively unknown Medtner performer, giving one of the best performances of the sonata. He plays extremely delicately where it needs, has an absolute control over every single details, is very clear but without being unemotional and cold ; in fact, this is maybe the most expressive performance of the sonata. Debargue absolutely owns the sonata.

  • @Luca-yg5qx
    @Luca-yg5qx 3 года назад +92

    Fun fact: Medtner, Beethoven, Scriabin and Prokofiev (as I commented on another video before the IMO four greatest sonata writers of all time) all have written their first sonata in f minor.

    • @Luca-yg5qx
      @Luca-yg5qx 3 года назад +14

      Not counting the unnumbered Sonata in e flat minor by Scriabin

    • @SeigneurReefShark
      @SeigneurReefShark  3 года назад +18

      It's very interesting.. A little coincidence, as I wanted for some time that my first sonata would be in f minor. I didn't even think of this.

    • @samuilfeinberg2991
      @samuilfeinberg2991 3 года назад +6

      Go fkurself

    • @Luca-yg5qx
      @Luca-yg5qx 3 года назад +9

      @@samuilfeinberg2991 you're up there too, Samuil!

    • @PieInTheSky9
      @PieInTheSky9 3 года назад +15

      Stravinsky decided to be mischievous and write his in f# minor instead

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 3 года назад +38

    Wow, that's so crazy for a first sonata.

  • @gigogrom216
    @gigogrom216 Год назад +10

    Second subject in first movement is sublime

    • @DaydreamingofMimi
      @DaydreamingofMimi 9 месяцев назад

      What does this mean? Please :))

    • @gigogrom216
      @gigogrom216 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@DaydreamingofMimi Sonata form cosists of 3 sections: an exposition, a development, and a recapitulation. An exposition has first subject (main theme, main character) and second subject (often more feminine, melodiously etc). In this case I mention this theme: 1:19

  • @teodorb.p.composer
    @teodorb.p.composer Год назад +10

    This is actually my favourite Medtners sonata! He was such a genius!

    • @DynastieArtistique
      @DynastieArtistique 6 месяцев назад

      How can u like this more than Night Wind lol

    • @teodorb.p.composer
      @teodorb.p.composer 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@DynastieArtistique I of course like Night wind sonata more, but this is just so superb (like every Medtner's piece).

  • @Assassunn
    @Assassunn 2 года назад +16

    Debargue's version is incredibly sophisticated, it sounds more epic, more tragic, than Tozer's.

    • @vaadwilsla858
      @vaadwilsla858 2 года назад +6

      I agree, though I think Tozer is stronger texturally; all those hidden voice lines suddenly come to life. In that aspect, Tozer was one of the most remarkable pianists! I also strongly recommend listening to Tozer's recording of the Minacciosa.

  • @steps222
    @steps222 Год назад +2

    The second theme in the first movement begins with six notes in a downward pattern. That figure, or parts of it, recur throughout the sonata and throughout Medtner's subsequent works. I've listened to his solo piano music for years, and I still hear new instances of that downward motion. It's as if Medtner is saying, "Watch what I can do with it this time."

  • @pantoleonantonio9653
    @pantoleonantonio9653 3 года назад +9

    While i think both performances are great, i strongly believe that debargue's performance is much, much more enjoyable. He brings a highly compeling narrative to the piece, making it feel like a top tier story. I think this can be said about all of his interpretations, but this one especially.

  • @nojohns1748
    @nojohns1748 7 месяцев назад +1

    That Coda with the Presto section just jumping to the Cord and fin. holy shit.

  • @jordidewaard2937
    @jordidewaard2937 Год назад +3

    Well that's an introduction to Medtner alright, what a cool piece

  • @AbCd-kq3ky
    @AbCd-kq3ky 8 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly, I love all four movements. But that third movement is something else. It reaches emotional heights on par with late Beethoven or the best of Scriabin, in my opinion.

  • @samueldunbar8997
    @samueldunbar8997 Год назад +1

    the left hand at 38:50 is just such a joy to hear. Likewise 42:10 is absolutely thrilling!

  • @Dichweed
    @Dichweed 4 месяца назад

    Nice selection. Thank you.

  • @armandodelromero9968
    @armandodelromero9968 7 месяцев назад

    The second theme of the first movement and the theme of the second tríad are my favorite Medtner!

  • @calebhu6383
    @calebhu6383 4 месяца назад +1

    40:44, 1:04:37

  • @steveegallo3384
    @steveegallo3384 2 года назад +1

    "Les Droits de Seigneur" -- BRAVO from Acapulco!

  • @SCRIABINIST
    @SCRIABINIST 2 года назад +8

    The opening is quite Symphonic, the chant like theme gives it a very russian feel. Based pill Medtner

    • @TheBalletguy
      @TheBalletguy Год назад +1

      I was just thinking a shame Medtner never wrote orchestral but then you listen to this epic hour sonata - who needs the clutter of other instruments!

    • @TheBalletguy
      @TheBalletguy Год назад +1

      Oops ok I didn’t realize it was two versions LOL it’s still an epic 30 mins!

    • @ConcordMass
      @ConcordMass Год назад +2

      @@TheBalletguy he wrote concertos...

  • @j.s.42822
    @j.s.42822 2 месяца назад +1

    1:01:02 Very much like the fourth movement of Tchaikovsky's Fifth.

  • @Xyriak
    @Xyriak 9 месяцев назад +3

    1:21

  • @raymondgood2359
    @raymondgood2359 Год назад +1

    a little off the subject but I've always thought Brahms piano sonata in C major the greatest opus 1 ever written. Do others have any thoughts?

  • @katjao.h.321
    @katjao.h.321 Год назад +2

    30:50, 33:16, 46:27, 51:00,

  • @j.s.42822
    @j.s.42822 2 года назад +2

    Why does neither of them play the opening melody correctly? The stress should be on the beat, i.e. the C. The first time you hear the theme properly in Debargue's interpretation is in the bass at 31:40.

    • @ConcordMass
      @ConcordMass Год назад

      do you mean the f-g-a flat-c one?
      if so, i feel like the notes should have equal stress because they "lead into" the next note (a c or a d flat)
      also I suck at music theory so sorry if my terminology isn't accurate lol

    • @j.s.42822
      @j.s.42822 Год назад +1

      @@ConcordMass Yes, the first melody we hear. They both stress the A-flat more. The beat should always be stressed more. Otherwise, for instance, as in both interpretations, the first bar doesn't feel like it has a duration of eight semiquavers, and it throws the listener off. That's also why they both play it correctly from 31:40 (because the first beat of the bar is no longer a rest, and that leads them to the right rhythm).

    • @ConcordMass
      @ConcordMass Год назад

      @@j.s.42822 i think medtner included the rest so that the c/d flat could start on a new measure (because at the start there's a repeat, and I suppose he didn't want to delete the rests in the later passages due to stylistic reasoning). when I play this piece, I don't see the phrase starting on the rest, but rather starting on the f until it lands on the c/d flat. i can't really hear the stress on the a flat that you talked about, though... maybe my ear's just bad😅

    • @j.s.42822
      @j.s.42822 Год назад +1

      ​@@ConcordMass Well, of course, it's subjective, and I respect your opinion. Maybe I could record how I would play the first few bars sometime in the next days just to compare the sound.

  • @h-ye7um
    @h-ye7um 29 дней назад

    12:25 Rach 3 reference

  • @SuperPeacebreaker
    @SuperPeacebreaker 2 года назад +2

    1:04:33

  • @minjuncho4157
    @minjuncho4157 11 месяцев назад +1

    34:06

  • @PieInTheSky9
    @PieInTheSky9 3 года назад +8

    The greatest first sonata since Brahms!

    • @segmentsAndCurves
      @segmentsAndCurves 2 года назад +3

      Scriabin sonata-fantasy was published in 1898.

    • @Bohh574
      @Bohh574 2 года назад

      @@segmentsAndCurves Isn't the sonata fantasy Scriabin second sonata?

    • @segmentsAndCurves
      @segmentsAndCurves 2 года назад +1

      @@Bohh574 I read it as the first greatest sonata smh my head

  • @lucaslorentz
    @lucaslorentz 3 года назад +4

    10th like