Beauty News Beauty. Everything is packaged in beakers and metal testers. Foundation is pumped in a refillable bottle with care instructions. Keep it simple, but high end quality.
Yes, not to mention ethically resourced and zero carbon footprint! LOL! But with all jokes aside, I do love the idea of having an actual bottle with measurement marks. I would just buy the bottle and fill it with my favorite foundation if I didn't like the foundation formula.
I hardly watch RUclips or beauty content anymore but I will forever be an avid watcher of Beauty News and your individual channels, purely because of how genuine you both are. It is so refreshing in this industry. I know I can trust your opinions 1000% and just really admire how you’ve both always stuck to your values and integrity. Always makes my day when I see any of the three channels have uploaded a video! 💚
Hi! I really like the refillable concept of Kjaer Weis, beautiful and luxe packaging that last years and years. I just do not really care about "clean" makeup anymore as I see it now completely useless from a scientific perspective and quite shady. But I would like to see more brands using metal packaging with a beautiful design made to last a long time.
Yes! I have lusted over them a long time. But they are super expensive, and really hard to get. I don’t think there is anywhere I can go to try their products in person (in Sydney) and I can’t pay that much without trying it first. Esp foundation type products where colour has to match. But I love their concept/ethos/design
And I'm so done with people talking down on clean beauty. Yes, the term is stupid, so what? So we should just keep piling on oil industry byproducts on our skin? Which is at best proven not harmful. I ain't personally buying anything cause it's branded clean, I look at the formula instead. But I think it's totally stupid to just look at the marketing, and stop there. It's totally not scientific to just look at the marketing. Considering that it's people who pretend to believe science who bash everything branded as clean beauty... Yeah, they have zero clue about science, that's for sure.
@@andij605 many biochemists are saying that the majority of clean makeup products are bad formulated specially regarding the preservative system which apparently is not good enough to preserve the products after a couple of weeks of use... The impact on nature of oil derivatives in cosmetic ingredients is a huge issue and it needs to be addressed for sure but in all honesty I do not think that the solution is going to come with the massive use of organic ingredients in the cosmetic industry.
@@andij605 I have an understanding of science and think that clean is mostly marketing and not really connected to any legitimate science. That has nothing to do with my feelings about oil derived products. There is no reason to connect these two ideas, except that clean marketing linked themselves as the solution to oil derived products.
I remember way back you girls discussed that if you would ever get a sponsor, you'd take on non-beauty brands just so you can confidently sponsor without fear of being biased. When you did start taking on sponsorships, it was no surprise to me in the choice of brands you decided to work with.
Awesome topic. Starting a brand is so incredibly difficult and expensive. Shipping especially is a really tough one. I get what you are saying about setting up distribution centers but put that into practice when you are an indie brand and you quickly find its very challenging and not always financially feasible, especially at the start if you don’t have some serious cash behind you. Let’s say for example you decide to make mini highlighters. Assuming you are starting small (let’s assume the manufacturing partners MOQ is 10,000 units per production run) your raw materials are more expensive because you are not getting economies of scale yet, and the manual labour costs ( ie factory setting up machinery, clean down machinery, sticking pan into its packaging and then putting packaging into the box, packing into bulk shipping cartons etc etc) are all the same regardless if its a regular size or a mini size. So your costs are incredibly high for a very small product. Then you decide to ship it from Australia to your distribution center in say the US or Europe paying for freight and duties as well. You also start to realize that your inventory is now split across multiple locations so what if you sell super fast In Australia and sell out but still have inventory In the US because it’s selling slow there? Are you going to ship it back to Australia from the US again and pay all those costs or just remain sold out in Australia and miss out on sales? You might have to sell through 60% total inventory before you have the cash flow to make another production batch of the factory’s MOQ of 10,000 units. You start to do the math and realize your going to have to charge $50 for a mini highlighter which most people likely won’t pay. Sometimes we have to start small and feasible with the dream to grow to be able to offer all of these things in the future 🙌
My perfect brand is Lisa Eldridge’s brand. Very small amount of products, unique colours. Her shipping rates are also quite reasonable and the customer service is amazing. As for trends, I’m sure that people are buying less products in the past 2 years. Beauty enthusiasts have massive collections and we reached peak a couple of years ago. Celebrities are all wearing minimal makeup. Focus is on natural, sheer, dewy base rather than piling on makeup like we did in 2010s. For me age is also a factor. I reached the age when a lot of makeup makes me look older and I can’t really get away with it anymore, so I prefer to keep it minimal, with a bold lip colour. Edit: I see brands doing these 20-25% sales multiple times per year - that is just a proof that sales aren’t exactly booming. I am personally more interested in perfumes nowadays and I see some channels showing a lot more interests in perfumes than before. Fragrance channels are also getting more popular. Maybe it’s the next thing after makeup.
Totally agree with worldwide shipping and made local! Love this topic! Some things I also love are - small eyeshadow pans (no one needs huge pans!) - magnetic pans that can be taken out and mixed up. Consistent sizing so you can build your own palette. viseart and colourpop for this really well which I love - salt New York sells single cream blush pans in paper packaging, which I think is great! I just purchased some so will let you know how they last on oily skin. - Someone needs to think about making refillable mascara with mix/match wands with formulas. I.e buy a wand you want and buy a formula you want. That way you can just wash and keep the same wand when you run out. - and I’ll love to buy your lipstick!!
SALT NY is a small all cream product line. Products come in individual pans you select or bundle. The products have a sheet or opaque base and can be mixed to create any color. IDK, if it's any good. But at 50% presale I'm going to try it. Plus I like that you can zip eye/lip liner & mascara into the case
I thought of Salt NY too when they mentioned creams and recyclable packaging. I have mostly seen positive feedback but I've only seen dry skin folks review it
SALT is very, very, VERY good ~~ from the quality of the crème tint pro pans to the stunning zippered custom vegan palettes = top notch!! You will not regret if you do dive into Kiki's SALT NY products. I have 4 palettes (2 purchased years ago before the launch of their crème tints to use as upgraded travel Z palettes, but better, multi functional, higher quality, perfect to travel with. ) and 10 of the crème tints that just arrived 2 weeks ago. So freaking good. I pre-ordered in July, well worth the wait and the pre order am absolute savings bonus! Also when ordering, dip out of your comfort zone color and tone wise when you do purchase~~ the products are extremely versatile all can do this: lip, face, cheek and eyes, yes eyes ~~ not gonna say crease proof, am gonna say stunning none the less. i.e the medium deep bronzer= perfect sheer brown lip for my pale af skin tone. ♥ ~~~ the crème tints would, will, be totally fine for folks with not so dry skin too, just read the comment below that some thought they would not be okay for oily skin ~~ totally okay for oily skin. They are not a greasy, oily mess, they melt into the skin and give you the most subtle, beautiful, buildable glow, promise. Jump in, you will love ~~ if you love a cream, sheer, buildable, sustainable product.
Okay so I bought several pans of Salt NY products and I like the product a lot, however, it’s not 100% for me. The colors are a bit too sheer almost and I find that my face “eats” the color more quickly than usual when compared to the formulas I’m accustomed to. I love the tones and how easy it is to mix shades but I always feel like I need to super prep my skin to make the products work for me, which makes it a little less practical for me. All of that being said, I don’t think it’s bad, it just depends on your preferences and how temperamental your skin is. To be fair, I have never heard anyone else have my same issue with their products and once I build them a lot I can see why people who don’t have skin that eats it love the look. For reference, I have combo skin and I love/am accustomed to the Colourpop Super Shock Cheeks, Natasha Denona, lilah.b, and Rituelle de Fille cream cheek products.
@@warriorssaga13 Thanks for all the info. I wonder if you used the opaque base product with the sheer base it would show up more. Mine haven't come yet. I may have the same experience with the sheer tints on my cheeks. I was curious about getting an opaque & a sheer base white, the blue & yellow & black so i could mix... to my heart's delight... I'll see- then maybe black Friday sales.
Hello Guys :) I'm a big fan of your channel and I just started listening to your video about making your brand. I live in France, and a lot of brands strangely aren't available here or are a lot more expensive than in the USA. But one thing I really admire about a skincare brand called La canopée is that they send their clients ideas about what they're working on and the clients would vote. Then send a certain number of clients samples of these products and work on the feedback. They choose different skintones, skin problems, ages, etc. An idea that I'm throwing out there ;) good luck
Currently I'm super addicted to matte lipsticks from the Korean brand Romand. It's super quality for a very affordable price. I think since you're nearer to Asia, maybe learn more from their labs because they really care a lot about skin even in their makeup and a lot of it is quite affordable. One great idea is Tatcha's beginner ritual (4 minis) for a good price ;)
I would love to create a foundation range that covers the full spectrum of olive skin tones in different finishes and levels of coverage. I'm a pale olive skin tone, and what few olive foundations are on the market are nearly all in the medium range. Olive skin is such an untapped market for beauty products because olive skin is found across so many ethnicities, yet Western beauty brands seem to think everyone's undertones are either yellow or pink.
And the minis shouldn't be overpriced! If you compare the price xkg or xml you'll often see that minis are more expensive...Example? MILK hydro grip. Or the nars radiant concealer, the mini (1ml) is 14 euros..the full size 6ml is 27euros. It's a HUGE gap
Yes but the manual labour cost to fill and pack into its primary and secondary packaging (tub/jar and packaging box if it has one) often remain the same as its charged per unit, not per size. A product COGS (cost of goods) is not just the actual formula. Mini formats are incredibly expensive to make for that very reason.
Oh! Australian brand! Minis! Ethical choices! Ladies, you are speaking my language and I am so here for you Edit to add: targeted at my age group, lipstick bullets, this keeps getting better. I'd like to see better undertones in light foundations. I'm a fair olive. Everything is either too pink, too orange or too deep on my skin, and I'd love a foundation I don't have to mix with a green colour corrector first
i am fair olive too! muted and leaning cool! I have Never had an easy time finding a base color product other than blush, because i love blush, but its not as easy for me as it seems for most others. its So hard to find concealer (in a formula i prefer God forbid 😅) if it's pale enough, it will be grey, yellow, orange or peach. or just straight white. I can mix in very pale pink to help color correct my under eyes, but it doesnt match the rest of my face. I have practically given up on foundation. cuz the same exact thing as mentioned with concealer. I have used the tarte foundcealer in Porcelain 8b, which looks slightly peach against my skin in the winter, then in the summer months it looks a bit too pale. like where is the inbetween that im not looking!? I want atleast a mixer that is the same formula as the concealer or foundation/bb-cc cream. even though so many claim to not mess with the integrity of the formula of other base products u are supposed to be mising it with, it always does.
the problem i see with minis is the packaging to product ratio. the up side might be people throwing out less product unused, but the packaging tends to be the larger waste problem. especially considering lipsticks and other stick products.
@@aascottie yeah, i think that works really well for powder products. artdeco's eyeshadows are still the same size they were in the 90s for instance and i still have the original case i bought in '93 and it's in top condition. so they do a good job at that compared to other companies. but it seems they never really were targeted at the fashionable consumer that would want to buy all the shades. and if a large percentage of consumers really wanted these kinds of solutions you'd hear more about the brands that have these solutions on offer. (i haven't bought art deco in years, so i'm not sure how the quality stacks up nowadays. they used to have a waterproof foundation that was outstanding and their blushes and eyeshadows.) but when it comes to liquids and cream. i just don't think refillables can solve the issue.
@@elenmelon18 that's true. the question would be if the waste produced might go up instead of down. you'd need a mathematician to sit down and do the maths. for instance a lot of brands change to glass packaging, because it seems more environmentally sound, but the additional weight and energy that goes into glass production and transport can actually make it perform worse form an environmental calculation than recyclable plastic. but it seems more eco friendly to the consumer. i for myself find it very tricky as a consumer, as you can't really gauge what has more impact without in depth knowledge of the manufacturing and recycling process a product is subject to.
@@siiri2052 i have found that lipstick palettes are better for the full collection and then offer mini bullets for favorite colors on the go. As long as the formula is well done, then you can make the same colors between options.
That would be really handy but you would be hard pressed finding a brand that would want to alienate half their customers from buying a product or admit that their products contain harsh ingredients. I think that's where you need to read between the lines, generally matte finish is bad for dry skin, and luminous is bad for oily.
Which is why it'll never happen. But a girl can dream! And out of a lack of transparency in labeling came some amazing content on RUclips including Beauty News to simplify things a bit for us!
em cosmetics is my aesthetic. If I had more freaking money, I would buy all the things. I just love that minimal, natural, healthy look that they advertise. Plus I have a huge soft spot for Asian beauty. There looks just look so effortless.
I’m transitioning from combo oily skin to drier skin so I’m learning that heavier powders no longer look good on my textured skin. My complexion looks better without the powder. I’m 35 so I like the ideas of makeup helping for skin that is just starting to mature
There are already brands that cater, they’re just not at Sephora. Look at brands that cater for older women and at older influencers and have a look at their products. The application techniques change and you are using different products, but the market already caters to us, you just have to look around.
@@dayglodoggy you are going to have to experiment as it’s technique & product. At 35 you are a lot younger than you think, you’re in your prime. I’m nearly 20 years older than you and my advice is that you are still young and beautiful. Caking your skin in full coverage mattifying foundations and a heavy layer of pressed powder foundation isn’t going to look good, the Instagram look is great in photos and not so great in real life. Try the sheer tints and sheer to medium foundations, try the no makeup looks, experiment, look after your skin. At around your age, I found the techniques and products of my 20s no longer worked and I went to a make up artist for a lesson, that really helped me, I also sat down at the department stores and let the sales assistants make me up, I learned what I liked and didn’t like. The main thing is to not be afraid to change it up and experiment.
I love the model that Salt New York has created, zero waste, completely customizable face, cheek & lip products in multitudes of shades that come in completely recyclable packaging.
1. Clicks video 2. See Kat's lip color and immediately scrolls down the description to see what it is 3. Realizes it's Marc Jacobs Beauty and that it's probably discontinued but I can probably dupe it with a couple of colors that I already have 😆 I love this discussion! It's such a great summary of everything that you two have observed over the years. 😊 I can totally see you two as excellent brand consultants. Your ideas for the lipstick and base product formulas sounded soooo appealing to me.
You can definitely dupe it! I think it looked surprisingly good here because I messed up the lip line and had to go over it with a slightly darker lip liner to save it. I was rocking the old school Kylie overdrawn lip trend haha
Girls, check the indie brand Sigil inspired by Tammy Tanuka! They release every pallette with mini-version and different colour-story-versions. I think it is very smart ❤️
If you do manage to do your brand ( never say never and all that) , I would suggest price transparency model. Its working for fashion industry, and it think it has potential for cosmetic industry as well. From initial researches done, it created a sense of trust and loyalty to the brand
I am late to the party here, but I really appreciate the level of integrity both of you have with what you do. That is a rare trait and it's very much appreciated! :)
The collab segment highlights your personality perfectly. You are creators who want to be provide creative insight to brands. You are not the influencer who is looking to put there name on product and market it to their communities.
You both easily blow away many of the beautiful though bobble headed models we see imo!!! But you’re of course SO much more than gorgeously made up faces, and you both definitely are!! But that’s why I LOOOOOVE you & Beauty News, its substancial and meaningful and knowledged (is that a word??) and educational … I could go on and on but I truly mean it. You guys ROCK 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩!!! … I wish you had millions of subscribers just so they could hear and see and benefit from exposure to the message of how much more modern mass consumer beauty is (imo, of course 💕❤️🔥🍂🍁💕❤️🔥🍂🍁!!!)
Top content as always! I love listening to you both share potential business plans, etc. as you both have experience and could do it (if you ever choose to). Thanks for the wine time 🍷❣️
I live in a regional area where my only option is woollies or priceline. It's very expensive and risky to buy makeup online, and as I tend towards minimalism and don't like to just throw things out I'm often left with a bunch of products I don't really like (but will make work before buying another). You can walk into a Sephora or Mecca and walk out with a bunch of testers, so why is this not available online? I'd LOVE to be able to buy a bunch of samples to help me find my products.
This would be amazing. I would totally buy that dark blood red lip colour! I feel like I've always been looking for this, and haven't found it. I have a nail polish, and if that was a lip colour, it would be perfect!
I feel like when the shift happens in the beauty community brands will go back to focusing on their core ranges and expanding their ranges and creating/reformulating to better quality than having to diminish quality for the “fast fashion” collars and stuff
I would invest in beauty news beauty 🙈 all the Things kat Said in the start, refilable, shipping and all that, is something i could get behind. I hope some brand take note and start doing some of the Things 🤩
once you have even a little bit of makeup, you have basically everything and anything new you purchase feels repetitive. I'm also wary of finishing up liquid and cream products before they expire, so I can't have much variety in those categories if I want to completely use up products. That's why I deliberate and carefully consider every purchase I want to make, over a long time frame, to see if I actually would use it and it would bring something new to my collection. I'll compare similar things I have and try to dupe it - if I do that and still find what I have lacking, and feel like I would use the product at least on a weekly basis, I'll purchase it. I do need to downsize some of my categories (i.e. bronzer, blush, highlighter, foundation, powders, lipglosses and lipsticks) so I need to not only use things up, but completely stop buying things in those categories.
I actually did invest in Kester Black, I'm a nail junky/ nail swatcher and i didnt invest a heap of money but thought they are on the rise hopefully so thought see how it goes. As i wouldn't have any say in what they do I didn't really think it would be a major bias investing in them but with ur channel i can see where ur coming from.
I agree with you on wanting less quantity (less frequent releases, smaller sized-palettes and/or smaller pans in palettes--with lower prices) and more quality. Re: lipsticks, for a "sandy nude" I like Bite's Power Move Creamy Matte in Amaretto (Tarte's Siesta is nice, too, though maybe a little pinkier...?) and for a "clotted blood" red I've used Nars' "Fire Down Below" for YEARS (with a wee bit of lip balm underneath for my arid lips).
I love the byop’s I’ve made and loved the choosing and planning aspect of it, but when they arrived they were so different from what I had planned and it was so hard to pick which shades go next to one another so it looks like a nice palette but I can also know which shades work well with one another. I can see how it’s so hard for companies sometimes and trying to make a functional but also pretty looking palette. Even worse is trying to imagine selling it to someone
I feel like Nikkia Joy has done the "do the thing but make it better than everyone else's" Her powder is awesome. Her lashes are the bomb and her new pigments are excellent.
I think you guys touching something that if I ever could start a beauty brand I want to do what should be mini foundations and concealers. And have them at a really reasonable price even smaller than many so you can at least color match. Especially if it's going to be only online. Maybe even doing mini bundles of like three to for shades so you can get the best ones for you.
So I'm a beauty therapist and I work in the cosmetic industry in tandem with cosmetic nurses and dermal therapists etc. I am also a qualified cosmetic chemist and I do really want to start my own skin care brand some day. My brand is going to be dedicated to healthy skin, and my business plan is all about ethical consumption, waste reduction, accessibility and making sure the product perfomance works for a wide wide range of skin types and conditions, for any gender, any skin tone, disabilities etc. It has been in the work for 3 years now and i'm still a year or two from launching and i fully expect to never get past the small "indie" type business model because its impossible to start a huge brand without established influence and the big bucks behind you. My core product line will follow treatment guidelines I would give to anyone; a simple routine of cleanse, treat and protect. 3 products for day and 3 products for night. No fluff, no constant releases, only adjustments to formula as technologies and ingredients change.
Must admit I would love a Colourpop x Kat eyeshadow palette with little mini pans & a Colourpop x Hayley mini lipsticks set 😁 I would buy the shit out of it!
Bullet lipsticks are timeless.. Necromancy Cosmetica has a few groovy off beat shades. Love their formulation too. Fun vid. Your brand would rock. I’m a huge fan of cool tones and purples/Mauves and dusty shades. I think Dose of Colors’ quad pan palettes are brilliant. Also really enjoy Kaleidos’ versions too.
I admire anyone who starts a brand, so long as they're invested in good quality and not just doing it to expand their already enormous fame. Laughed lots at the suicide bid for your channel, though I really hope you still have interest to keep this going for some time to come.
I'm all for minis. If available, I prefer to purchase mini or travel size especially for lippies, blushes, highlighters & powders. I think making pre-made palettes recyclable as magnetic empty palettes would be awesome (especially if the package design is pretty) I don''t understand this price per gram attitude, it's makeup not peanut butter. Most of us have more than we will ever use before it expires... I've noticed the opposite as someone with drier skin. The assumption is you want a shiny face lol. I don't want my texture emphasized by illuminated products & I want my foundation to last. I'm fine with a natural finish, medium coverage.
I'm curious to know how you are both doing with the lockdowns. I'm not sure if your areas are still affected, but the news I see is so scary. I feel so bad for the people who have been isolated for so long. Have you experienced effects from the length of this situation, do you know others who are struggling? I would love to see a video with your thoughts.
I don't have enough creativity to start a makeup brand but I'd like to become an international distributor for all those small indie brands so that the shipping wouldn't be so high!
Selfless by Hyram is a good brand ethical model. Good product, but good for environment and people and animals. Mini's may cause more turnover which could result in more waste if people do not reuse or recycle as they should,
I love Viseart petite pro and the small 12 pans (edits and Étendue) but so many of the different palettes look the same. I’d like one that is more matte with only three shimmers. I’m almost 50 and noticing that matte looks better on me than shimmer. Oh and my tip, wear sunscreen everyday on face, neck and chest as well as hands and arms so that you don’t get sunspots. I’m not too bad but I wish I had put sunscreen on my hands before driving for an hour home each day for years. Love the channel.
I really appreciate the way you both have moved away from the new new new. I've stopped watching most of the beauty channels I used to because the emphasis on new and more makes me feel like I need to buy more which makes me really uncomfortable and unhappy. I appreciate you creating beauty content that is entertaining while not feeding that impulse to consume more and more
At this point I'm making a lot of my own beauty products. I've just spent so much time learning chemistry and I like cooking. My skin looks so much better since I use my own line, with only ingredients I need. The only thing I would be interested at are some very purist pigments. Like only iron-oxide, zinc-oxide, carbon based pigments. Would be so nice.
Yeah, I would hope that if you could do the whole "buy the refills you want" low waste option, there would be some options that use carmine as well as vegan versions. I wish we didn't have to choose between being ableist and animal cruelty.
@@Kiterpuss Ugh same. Like gimme the environmentally friendly packaging! I love the idea of doing that but then the formulations are always vegan and I just ✨cannot✨ get on board with paying money to cause myself pain and discomfort.
I’m waiting for lashes from BOCAJ Beauty that honor Kat & Hailey. Sold individually & as a Beauty News set. I’m waiting for a Kaleidos Lip Clay Paint Cloud thingies collab with Kat and an eyeshadow palette! I’m waiting for a brush collab for Hailey. Like a favorites set.
I think there are Beauty Content Creators who are just enthusiasts & want to share their love/experience of all things beauty related & then there are Influencers who view it as a stepping stone to bigger things like becoming their own brand or the next spokesperson for Maybelline/Covergirl/Chanel or whatever(or they move onto a career in a different media like TV show MC)
Re: shipping fees. Sam Ravendahl. Canadian who complained about shipping and duties from the US, starts a brand, essentially inaccessible to her Canadian fans. Felt like a slap in the face.
Answering your question from the end of the video: I would invest in drugstore brand from my country. There is this one brand that is vegan, cruelty free, they put out new things only couple times a year and they are often pretty bomb. So no fast fashion and no very cheap quality. Packaging could be better but when i see their prices i can't complain. They like collaborating with smaller youtubers and influencers from my country too. I just think there are nice people behind the brand and i wolud like to support that.
please do a bn episode with christmas releases soon.. I always wait for updates from you - because there are so many brands releasing so much stuff during christmas, it is really hard to follow and know what I want to choose to spend my money on. Your video makes it easier to follow (not to mention the absolute entertainment provided by your reaction/thoughts). I know and understand your reasons to make fewer videos now (and I completely respect that). But I miss your weekly videos! My friday schedule had BN in it :(
I recently got an email from a NZ beauty brand that I won a giveaway for people on their email list. But they wouldn't ship to America so I sadly couldn't accept it 😭 I'm sure that barely happens and it's usually the other way around. I would lovvvvve to support brands from Australia and new Zealand 🥺
Interesting chat and fair enough that you know where you want to go and don’t want to go in life. Further, a lot of opportunities that are available in the USA and EU aren’t available here, The discussion about make up trends is interesting, the trend of sheer base products & cream colour products is indicates the focus away from Instagram glam to a more natural look and emphasis on skincare. Is this driven by mask wearing? I know that having to wear a mask ion public and stay at home orders means more casual make up for me. I see lots of channels reviewing these sheer products, but not so many demonstrating these sheer and low key looks and trends. Is it because I’m not watching Tim Tok?
My ideal beauty brand would be the stuff for a lady like me who doesn’t wear makeup. Lip balm that is actually hydrating, high factor SPF that is really hydrating, a moisturizer for those of us who live in very cold climates that calms wind burn without leaving me feeling like I’ve got a super heavy Vaseline all over my face.
In another world, you could be product development consultants! Although, I don’t know if there are companies that would honestly admit that they need your valuable insights. For some reason, crap releases are probably still making them a lot of money - and that’s all that matters at the end of the day.
I think there should be a discussion about women and money because it seems as soon as a lot of women start spending a lot of money on something from religion to fashion or make-up it seems to become a monster.
If I had a brand, I would do what you said and make all the products mini. I am so tired of blush and highlight being like 4 grams that would take me 2 years of daily use to finish. I don't want to use the same blush or bronzer or whatever EVERYDAY FOR YEARS to finish the damn thing. Makeup needs to be like finger food, bite size. Just saying.
I know this will take a lot of time. But if you can, please make a video where you make your favourite colour of lipstick/ eyeshadow from scratch. It'll be fun!!!
Wouldn't it be the best middle finger to the world to see Haley and Kat doing a Jaclyn Hill Morphe collab type pitch, but making it ironic? I'd love it 😂😂
Imagine "BN by KH" or "BN by HK"... No matter what the brand name is I'd buy it lol, would be so refreshing knowing even the owners are very much so of the attitude of "we know what's good and what's not because even we don't buy makeup that we wouldn't like! Or even so as to knowing the owners themselves would only put out something they know the market would care for because if they didn't care for it themselves they wouldn't expect others to. Which I feel like a lot of brands still do lol
I was convinced you should be a ✨Beauty Brand Strategy Consultancy✨ where you explain WTF a brand is going to waste their money doing, before they actually fuck up You’re so smart & you just gave away about $200-$500k in free advise that you could have billed
Beauty News Beauty. Everything is packaged in beakers and metal testers. Foundation is pumped in a refillable bottle with care instructions. Keep it simple, but high end quality.
Preferably with scale marks on the bottle.
Airless pump everything!!!
News beauty ?
"Beauty News Beauty"... I feel like we should be able to stuff a few more words like "kindness" or "vegan" in there to make it perfect xD
Yes, not to mention ethically resourced and zero carbon footprint! LOL! But with all jokes aside, I do love the idea of having an actual bottle with measurement marks. I would just buy the bottle and fill it with my favorite foundation if I didn't like the foundation formula.
I hardly watch RUclips or beauty content anymore but I will forever be an avid watcher of Beauty News and your individual channels, purely because of how genuine you both are. It is so refreshing in this industry. I know I can trust your opinions 1000% and just really admire how you’ve both always stuck to your values and integrity. Always makes my day when I see any of the three channels have uploaded a video! 💚
Hi! I really like the refillable concept of Kjaer Weis, beautiful and luxe packaging that last years and years. I just do not really care about "clean" makeup anymore as I see it now completely useless from a scientific perspective and quite shady. But I would like to see more brands using metal packaging with a beautiful design made to last a long time.
Yes! I have lusted over them a long time. But they are super expensive, and really hard to get. I don’t think there is anywhere I can go to try their products in person (in Sydney) and I can’t pay that much without trying it first. Esp foundation type products where colour has to match. But I love their concept/ethos/design
Honestly, if there was a non “clean certified” version of Kjaer Weis, I would try it.
And I'm so done with people talking down on clean beauty. Yes, the term is stupid, so what? So we should just keep piling on oil industry byproducts on our skin? Which is at best proven not harmful.
I ain't personally buying anything cause it's branded clean, I look at the formula instead. But I think it's totally stupid to just look at the marketing, and stop there.
It's totally not scientific to just look at the marketing. Considering that it's people who pretend to believe science who bash everything branded as clean beauty... Yeah, they have zero clue about science, that's for sure.
@@andij605 many biochemists are saying that the majority of clean makeup products are bad formulated specially regarding the preservative system which apparently is not good enough to preserve the products after a couple of weeks of use... The impact on nature of oil derivatives in cosmetic ingredients is a huge issue and it needs to be addressed for sure but in all honesty I do not think that the solution is going to come with the massive use of organic ingredients in the cosmetic industry.
@@andij605 I have an understanding of science and think that clean is mostly marketing and not really connected to any legitimate science. That has nothing to do with my feelings about oil derived products. There is no reason to connect these two ideas, except that clean marketing linked themselves as the solution to oil derived products.
I would love Kat to collab with kaleidos cosmetics to make new lip cloud shades!!
SAME
OMG YES! This is a Golden Idea!!
“The Musings Of A Crazy Woman” - excellent new brand name, Hailey!
I would literally sit and happily listen to you guys talk about absolutely anything. here for any content you want to produce!
Kat I could see you creating the ultimate lip stain as your signature product. Hailey a setting spray of all setting sprays. Lol
I agree .. well I could also see Hailey create the ultimate red eyeshadow 😂
I remember way back you girls discussed that if you would ever get a sponsor, you'd take on non-beauty brands just so you can confidently sponsor without fear of being biased. When you did start taking on sponsorships, it was no surprise to me in the choice of brands you decided to work with.
Awesome topic. Starting a brand is so incredibly difficult and expensive. Shipping especially is a really tough one. I get what you are saying about setting up distribution centers but put that into practice when you are an indie brand and you quickly find its very challenging and not always financially feasible, especially at the start if you don’t have some serious cash behind you.
Let’s say for example you decide to make mini highlighters. Assuming you are starting small (let’s assume the manufacturing partners MOQ is 10,000 units per production run) your raw materials are more expensive because you are not getting economies of scale yet, and the manual labour costs ( ie factory setting up machinery, clean down machinery, sticking pan into its packaging and then putting packaging into the box, packing into bulk shipping cartons etc etc) are all the same regardless if its a regular size or a mini size. So your costs are incredibly high for a very small product.
Then you decide to ship it from Australia to your distribution center in say the US or Europe paying for freight and duties as well. You also start to realize that your inventory is now split across multiple locations so what if you sell super fast In Australia and sell out but still have inventory In the US because it’s selling slow there? Are you going to ship it back to Australia from the US again and pay all those costs or just remain sold out in Australia and miss out on sales? You might have to sell through 60% total inventory before you have the cash flow to make another production batch of the factory’s MOQ of 10,000 units.
You start to do the math and realize your going to have to charge $50 for a mini highlighter which most people likely won’t pay. Sometimes we have to start small and feasible with the dream to grow to be able to offer all of these things in the future 🙌
My perfect brand is Lisa Eldridge’s brand. Very small amount of products, unique colours. Her shipping rates are also quite reasonable and the customer service is amazing.
As for trends, I’m sure that people are buying less products in the past 2 years. Beauty enthusiasts have massive collections and we reached peak a couple of years ago. Celebrities are all wearing minimal makeup. Focus is on natural, sheer, dewy base rather than piling on makeup like we did in 2010s. For me age is also a factor. I reached the age when a lot of makeup makes me look older and I can’t really get away with it anymore, so I prefer to keep it minimal, with a bold lip colour.
Edit: I see brands doing these 20-25% sales multiple times per year - that is just a proof that sales aren’t exactly booming. I am personally more interested in perfumes nowadays and I see some channels showing a lot more interests in perfumes than before. Fragrance channels are also getting more popular. Maybe it’s the next thing after makeup.
I think fragrance tube will have a hard time grabbing viewers like beauty tube did because its not as visually based.
Totally agree with worldwide shipping and made local! Love this topic!
Some things I also love are
- small eyeshadow pans (no one needs huge pans!)
- magnetic pans that can be taken out and mixed up. Consistent sizing so you can build your own palette. viseart and colourpop for this really well which I love
- salt New York sells single cream blush pans in paper packaging, which I think is great! I just purchased some so will let you know how they last on oily skin.
- Someone needs to think about making refillable mascara with mix/match wands with formulas. I.e buy a wand you want and buy a formula you want. That way you can just wash and keep the same wand when you run out.
- and I’ll love to buy your lipstick!!
SALT NY is a small all cream product line. Products come in individual pans you select or bundle. The products have a sheet or opaque base and can be mixed to create any color. IDK, if it's any good. But at 50% presale I'm going to try it. Plus I like that you can zip eye/lip liner & mascara into the case
I thought of Salt NY too when they mentioned creams and recyclable packaging. I have mostly seen positive feedback but I've only seen dry skin folks review it
SALT is very, very, VERY good ~~ from the quality of the crème tint pro pans to the stunning zippered custom vegan palettes = top notch!! You will not regret if you do dive into Kiki's SALT NY products. I have 4 palettes (2 purchased years ago before the launch of their crème tints to use as upgraded travel Z palettes, but better, multi functional, higher quality, perfect to travel with. ) and 10 of the crème tints that just arrived 2 weeks ago. So freaking good. I pre-ordered in July, well worth the wait and the pre order am absolute savings bonus! Also when ordering, dip out of your comfort zone color and tone wise when you do purchase~~ the products are extremely versatile all can do this: lip, face, cheek and eyes, yes eyes ~~ not gonna say crease proof, am gonna say stunning none the less. i.e the medium deep bronzer= perfect sheer brown lip for my pale af skin tone. ♥ ~~~ the crème tints would, will, be totally fine for folks with not so dry skin too, just read the comment below that some thought they would not be okay for oily skin ~~ totally okay for oily skin. They are not a greasy, oily mess, they melt into the skin and give you the most subtle, beautiful, buildable glow, promise.
Jump in, you will love ~~ if you love a cream, sheer, buildable, sustainable product.
Okay so I bought several pans of Salt NY products and I like the product a lot, however, it’s not 100% for me. The colors are a bit too sheer almost and I find that my face “eats” the color more quickly than usual when compared to the formulas I’m accustomed to. I love the tones and how easy it is to mix shades but I always feel like I need to super prep my skin to make the products work for me, which makes it a little less practical for me. All of that being said, I don’t think it’s bad, it just depends on your preferences and how temperamental your skin is. To be fair, I have never heard anyone else have my same issue with their products and once I build them a lot I can see why people who don’t have skin that eats it love the look.
For reference, I have combo skin and I love/am accustomed to the Colourpop Super Shock Cheeks, Natasha Denona, lilah.b, and Rituelle de Fille cream cheek products.
@@warriorssaga13 Thanks for all the info. I wonder if you used the opaque base product with the sheer base it would show up more. Mine haven't come yet. I may have the same experience with the sheer tints on my cheeks.
I was curious about getting an opaque & a sheer base white, the blue & yellow & black so i could mix... to my heart's delight...
I'll see- then maybe black Friday sales.
@@amberwings17 i have combination skin- i shall see. It should be coming soon.
Hello Guys :) I'm a big fan of your channel and I just started listening to your video about making your brand. I live in France, and a lot of brands strangely aren't available here or are a lot more expensive than in the USA.
But one thing I really admire about a skincare brand called La canopée is that they send their clients ideas about what they're working on and the clients would vote. Then send a certain number of clients samples of these products and work on the feedback. They choose different skintones, skin problems, ages, etc. An idea that I'm throwing out there ;) good luck
Currently I'm super addicted to matte lipsticks from the Korean brand Romand. It's super quality for a very affordable price. I think since you're nearer to Asia, maybe learn more from their labs because they really care a lot about skin even in their makeup and a lot of it is quite affordable.
One great idea is Tatcha's beginner ritual (4 minis) for a good price ;)
I would love to create a foundation range that covers the full spectrum of olive skin tones in different finishes and levels of coverage. I'm a pale olive skin tone, and what few olive foundations are on the market are nearly all in the medium range. Olive skin is such an untapped market for beauty products because olive skin is found across so many ethnicities, yet Western beauty brands seem to think everyone's undertones are either yellow or pink.
Also a part of the revenue goes back to reinvest for your next release, so that also adds up in the indie brands pricing.
I love wine time videos! Loving the varying content these days. Killing it, as always ladies xx
And the minis shouldn't be overpriced! If you compare the price xkg or xml you'll often see that minis are more expensive...Example? MILK hydro grip. Or the nars radiant concealer, the mini (1ml) is 14 euros..the full size 6ml is 27euros. It's a HUGE gap
Yes but the manual labour cost to fill and pack into its primary and secondary packaging (tub/jar and packaging box if it has one) often remain the same as its charged per unit, not per size. A product COGS (cost of goods) is not just the actual formula. Mini formats are incredibly expensive to make for that very reason.
Oh! Australian brand! Minis! Ethical choices!
Ladies, you are speaking my language and I am so here for you
Edit to add: targeted at my age group, lipstick bullets, this keeps getting better.
I'd like to see better undertones in light foundations. I'm a fair olive. Everything is either too pink, too orange or too deep on my skin, and I'd love a foundation I don't have to mix with a green colour corrector first
i am fair olive too! muted and leaning cool! I have Never had an easy time finding a base color product other than blush, because i love blush, but its not as easy for me as it seems for most others. its So hard to find concealer (in a formula i prefer God forbid 😅) if it's pale enough, it will be grey, yellow, orange or peach. or just straight white. I can mix in very pale pink to help color correct my under eyes, but it doesnt match the rest of my face. I have practically given up on foundation. cuz the same exact thing as mentioned with concealer. I have used the tarte foundcealer in Porcelain 8b, which looks slightly peach against my skin in the winter, then in the summer months it looks a bit too pale. like where is the inbetween that im not looking!? I want atleast a mixer that is the same formula as the concealer or foundation/bb-cc cream. even though so many claim to not mess with the integrity of the formula of other base products u are supposed to be mising it with, it always does.
the problem i see with minis is the packaging to product ratio. the up side might be people throwing out less product unused, but the packaging tends to be the larger waste problem. especially considering lipsticks and other stick products.
Right, but no matter what people buy all the colors and that is still a lot of packaging and product waste.
Refillable minis! Sustainability + you can actually finish it before it expires.
@@aascottie yeah, i think that works really well for powder products. artdeco's eyeshadows are still the same size they were in the 90s for instance and i still have the original case i bought in '93 and it's in top condition. so they do a good job at that compared to other companies. but it seems they never really were targeted at the fashionable consumer that would want to buy all the shades. and if a large percentage of consumers really wanted these kinds of solutions you'd hear more about the brands that have these solutions on offer. (i haven't bought art deco in years, so i'm not sure how the quality stacks up nowadays. they used to have a waterproof foundation that was outstanding and their blushes and eyeshadows.) but when it comes to liquids and cream. i just don't think refillables can solve the issue.
@@elenmelon18 that's true. the question would be if the waste produced might go up instead of down. you'd need a mathematician to sit down and do the maths. for instance a lot of brands change to glass packaging, because it seems more environmentally sound, but the additional weight and energy that goes into glass production and transport can actually make it perform worse form an environmental calculation than recyclable plastic. but it seems more eco friendly to the consumer. i for myself find it very tricky as a consumer, as you can't really gauge what has more impact without in depth knowledge of the manufacturing and recycling process a product is subject to.
@@siiri2052 i have found that lipstick palettes are better for the full collection and then offer mini bullets for favorite colors on the go. As long as the formula is well done, then you can make the same colors between options.
I would LOVE a brand to release collections of base products that clearly state who they're NOT ideal for! It would make selection so much easier.
"Not ideal for dry skin" or "Product not formulated for oily skin" or "Sensitive skin use not recommended"
That would be really handy but you would be hard pressed finding a brand that would want to alienate half their customers from buying a product or admit that their products contain harsh ingredients. I think that's where you need to read between the lines, generally matte finish is bad for dry skin, and luminous is bad for oily.
Which is why it'll never happen. But a girl can dream! And out of a lack of transparency in labeling came some amazing content on RUclips including Beauty News to simplify things a bit for us!
em cosmetics is my aesthetic. If I had more freaking money, I would buy all the things. I just love that minimal, natural, healthy look that they advertise. Plus I have a huge soft spot for Asian beauty. There looks just look so effortless.
I’m transitioning from combo oily skin to drier skin so I’m learning that heavier powders no longer look good on my textured skin. My complexion looks better without the powder. I’m 35 so I like the ideas of makeup helping for skin that is just starting to mature
There are already brands that cater, they’re just not at Sephora. Look at brands that cater for older women and at older influencers and have a look at their products. The application techniques change and you are using different products, but the market already caters to us, you just have to look around.
@@shinyhappypeople9043 Can you suggest any brands to check out?
@@dayglodoggy you are going to have to experiment as it’s technique & product. At 35 you are a lot younger than you think, you’re in your prime. I’m nearly 20 years older than you and my advice is that you are still young and beautiful. Caking your skin in full coverage mattifying foundations and a heavy layer of pressed powder foundation isn’t going to look good, the Instagram look is great in photos and not so great in real life. Try the sheer tints and sheer to medium foundations, try the no makeup looks, experiment, look after your skin. At around your age, I found the techniques and products of my 20s no longer worked and I went to a make up artist for a lesson, that really helped me, I also sat down at the department stores and let the sales assistants make me up, I learned what I liked and didn’t like. The main thing is to not be afraid to change it up and experiment.
I love the model that Salt New York has created, zero waste, completely customizable face, cheek & lip products in multitudes of shades that come in completely recyclable packaging.
1. Clicks video
2. See Kat's lip color and immediately scrolls down the description to see what it is
3. Realizes it's Marc Jacobs Beauty and that it's probably discontinued but I can probably dupe it with a couple of colors that I already have 😆
I love this discussion! It's such a great summary of everything that you two have observed over the years. 😊 I can totally see you two as excellent brand consultants. Your ideas for the lipstick and base product formulas sounded soooo appealing to me.
You can definitely dupe it! I think it looked surprisingly good here because I messed up the lip line and had to go over it with a slightly darker lip liner to save it. I was rocking the old school Kylie overdrawn lip trend haha
@@BEAUTYNEWS Yup! I managed it mixing a pinky nude shade and a muted orange.
Girls, check the indie brand Sigil inspired by Tammy Tanuka! They release every pallette with mini-version and different colour-story-versions. I think it is very smart ❤️
If you do manage to do your brand ( never say never and all that) , I would suggest price transparency model. Its working for fashion industry, and it think it has potential for cosmetic industry as well. From initial researches done, it created a sense of trust and loyalty to the brand
Awwww, my Australian friends are here. So happy.
Hadn’t seen Hailey in a bright lip in a while, it looks great!
I am late to the party here, but I really appreciate the level of integrity both of you have with what you do. That is a rare trait and it's very much appreciated! :)
The collab segment highlights your personality perfectly. You are creators who want to be provide creative insight to brands. You are not the influencer who is looking to put there name on product and market it to their communities.
I think you ladies would be amazing at being makeup company consultants though! You’ve always got such great ideas!
You both easily blow away many of the beautiful though bobble headed models we see imo!!! But you’re of course SO much more than gorgeously made up faces, and you both definitely are!! But that’s why I LOOOOOVE you & Beauty News, its substancial and meaningful and knowledged (is that a word??) and educational … I could go on and on but I truly mean it. You guys ROCK 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩!!! … I wish you had millions of subscribers just so they could hear and see and benefit from exposure to the message of how much more modern mass consumer beauty is (imo, of course 💕❤️🔥🍂🍁💕❤️🔥🍂🍁!!!)
I miss beauty news weekly but lovely to see you guys
Top content as always! I love listening to you both share potential business plans, etc. as you both have experience and could do it (if you ever choose to). Thanks for the wine time 🍷❣️
I live in a regional area where my only option is woollies or priceline. It's very expensive and risky to buy makeup online, and as I tend towards minimalism and don't like to just throw things out I'm often left with a bunch of products I don't really like (but will make work before buying another). You can walk into a Sephora or Mecca and walk out with a bunch of testers, so why is this not available online? I'd LOVE to be able to buy a bunch of samples to help me find my products.
I’m in a regional area too. I agree with you about small sizes to purchase.
Wow, ladies! Kat ate the neutral lip!❤ Hailey bodied bold red lips!!💯
This would be amazing. I would totally buy that dark blood red lip colour! I feel like I've always been looking for this, and haven't found it. I have a nail polish, and if that was a lip colour, it would be perfect!
Have you two considered being business consultants?
Nope! Because no one knows (or cares) who we are haha!
I feel like when the shift happens in the beauty community brands will go back to focusing on their core ranges and expanding their ranges and creating/reformulating to better quality than having to diminish quality for the “fast fashion” collars and stuff
I would invest in beauty news beauty 🙈
all the Things kat Said in the start, refilable, shipping and all that, is something i could get behind.
I hope some brand take note and start doing some of the Things 🤩
once you have even a little bit of makeup, you have basically everything and anything new you purchase feels repetitive. I'm also wary of finishing up liquid and cream products before they expire, so I can't have much variety in those categories if I want to completely use up products. That's why I deliberate and carefully consider every purchase I want to make, over a long time frame, to see if I actually would use it and it would bring something new to my collection. I'll compare similar things I have and try to dupe it - if I do that and still find what I have lacking, and feel like I would use the product at least on a weekly basis, I'll purchase it. I do need to downsize some of my categories (i.e. bronzer, blush, highlighter, foundation, powders, lipglosses and lipsticks) so I need to not only use things up, but completely stop buying things in those categories.
For me I prefer mini mascara because I don't use makeup every day so I rarely finish a full size mascara before it's clumpy or weird.
Dude did you see the Lisa Eldridge new lipstick launch!!! It has a brown red!!😳❤️❤️
I actually did invest in Kester Black, I'm a nail junky/ nail swatcher and i didnt invest a heap of money but thought they are on the rise hopefully so thought see how it goes. As i wouldn't have any say in what they do I didn't really think it would be a major bias investing in them but with ur channel i can see where ur coming from.
Yes mini’s would be so awesome, who needs full size blushes, highlighters, lipsticks, eyeshadows👏👏👏
I agree with you on wanting less quantity (less frequent releases, smaller sized-palettes and/or smaller pans in palettes--with lower prices) and more quality. Re: lipsticks, for a "sandy nude" I like Bite's Power Move Creamy Matte in Amaretto (Tarte's Siesta is nice, too, though maybe a little pinkier...?) and for a "clotted blood" red I've used Nars' "Fire Down Below" for YEARS (with a wee bit of lip balm underneath for my arid lips).
Hellloo!!! So sorry to miss this I'm loving these web chats together in this time id love to see a collection video ❤️❤️❤️
I love the byop’s I’ve made and loved the choosing and planning aspect of it, but when they arrived they were so different from what I had planned and it was so hard to pick which shades go next to one another so it looks like a nice palette but I can also know which shades work well with one another. I can see how it’s so hard for companies sometimes and trying to make a functional but also pretty looking palette. Even worse is trying to imagine selling it to someone
I feel like Nikkia Joy has done the "do the thing but make it better than everyone else's" Her powder is awesome. Her lashes are the bomb and her new pigments are excellent.
You should have brought Becca home to AU, and rebuild it back up. Now that would have been so flipping cool !
I think you guys touching something that if I ever could start a beauty brand I want to do what should be mini foundations and concealers. And have them at a really reasonable price even smaller than many so you can at least color match. Especially if it's going to be only online. Maybe even doing mini bundles of like three to for shades so you can get the best ones for you.
So I'm a beauty therapist and I work in the cosmetic industry in tandem with cosmetic nurses and dermal therapists etc. I am also a qualified cosmetic chemist and I do really want to start my own skin care brand some day. My brand is going to be dedicated to healthy skin, and my business plan is all about ethical consumption, waste reduction, accessibility and making sure the product perfomance works for a wide wide range of skin types and conditions, for any gender, any skin tone, disabilities etc. It has been in the work for 3 years now and i'm still a year or two from launching and i fully expect to never get past the small "indie" type business model because its impossible to start a huge brand without established influence and the big bucks behind you.
My core product line will follow treatment guidelines I would give to anyone; a simple routine of cleanse, treat and protect. 3 products for day and 3 products for night. No fluff, no constant releases, only adjustments to formula as technologies and ingredients change.
Must admit I would love a Colourpop x Kat eyeshadow palette with little mini pans & a Colourpop x Hayley mini lipsticks set 😁 I would buy the shit out of it!
Bullet lipsticks are timeless.. Necromancy Cosmetica has a few groovy off beat shades. Love their formulation too.
Fun vid. Your brand would rock. I’m a huge fan of cool tones and purples/Mauves and dusty shades. I think Dose of Colors’ quad pan palettes are brilliant. Also really enjoy Kaleidos’ versions too.
I admire anyone who starts a brand, so long as they're invested in good quality and not just doing it to expand their already enormous fame. Laughed lots at the suicide bid for your channel, though I really hope you still have interest to keep this going for some time to come.
Ohhh have missed you girls !!!
I'm all for minis. If available, I prefer to purchase mini or travel size especially for lippies, blushes, highlighters & powders. I think making pre-made palettes recyclable as magnetic empty palettes would be awesome (especially if the package design is pretty) I don''t understand this price per gram attitude, it's makeup not peanut butter. Most of us have more than we will ever use before it expires...
I've noticed the opposite as someone with drier skin. The assumption is you want a shiny face lol. I don't want my texture emphasized by illuminated products & I want my foundation to last. I'm fine with a natural finish, medium coverage.
I'm curious to know how you are both doing with the lockdowns. I'm not sure if your areas are still affected, but the news I see is so scary. I feel so bad for the people who have been isolated for so long. Have you experienced effects from the length of this situation, do you know others who are struggling? I would love to see a video with your thoughts.
I don't have enough creativity to start a makeup brand but I'd like to become an international distributor for all those small indie brands so that the shipping wouldn't be so high!
Selfless by Hyram is a good brand ethical model. Good product, but good for environment and people and animals. Mini's may cause more turnover which could result in more waste if people do not reuse or recycle as they should,
I love Viseart petite pro and the small 12 pans (edits and Étendue) but so many of the different palettes look the same. I’d like one that is more matte with only three shimmers. I’m almost 50 and noticing that matte looks better on me than shimmer. Oh and my tip, wear sunscreen everyday on face, neck and chest as well as hands and arms so that you don’t get sunspots. I’m not too bad but I wish I had put sunscreen on my hands before driving for an hour home each day for years. Love the channel.
Love the eyeshadow concept sometimes I'm tempted to buy a palette for just a few shades but it's such a water that I dont
I really appreciate the way you both have moved away from the new new new. I've stopped watching most of the beauty channels I used to because the emphasis on new and more makes me feel like I need to buy more which makes me really uncomfortable and unhappy. I appreciate you creating beauty content that is entertaining while not feeding that impulse to consume more and more
Mmm "clotted blood red" 💄😆 actually that sounds awesome!
At this point I'm making a lot of my own beauty products. I've just spent so much time learning chemistry and I like cooking. My skin looks so much better since I use my own line, with only ingredients I need.
The only thing I would be interested at are some very purist pigments. Like only iron-oxide, zinc-oxide, carbon based pigments. Would be so nice.
Much as I love the idea of vegan formulas, I'm fairly sure I might be allergic to the red pigments that are used instead of carmine. :/
Yeah, I would hope that if you could do the whole "buy the refills you want" low waste option, there would be some options that use carmine as well as vegan versions. I wish we didn't have to choose between being ableist and animal cruelty.
@@Kiterpuss Ugh same. Like gimme the environmentally friendly packaging! I love the idea of doing that but then the formulations are always vegan and I just ✨cannot✨ get on board with paying money to cause myself pain and discomfort.
I’m waiting for lashes from BOCAJ Beauty that honor Kat & Hailey. Sold individually & as a Beauty News set.
I’m waiting for a Kaleidos Lip Clay Paint Cloud thingies collab with Kat and an eyeshadow palette!
I’m waiting for a brush collab for Hailey. Like a favorites set.
Not my ig question making it to the first 30 seconds of Beauty News! Ahhh love you girls!
I think there are Beauty Content Creators who are just enthusiasts & want to share their love/experience of all things beauty related & then there are Influencers who view it as a stepping stone to bigger things like becoming their own brand or the next spokesperson for Maybelline/Covergirl/Chanel or whatever(or they move onto a career in a different media like TV show MC)
I love every wine time episode
Re: shipping fees. Sam Ravendahl. Canadian who complained about shipping and duties from the US, starts a brand, essentially inaccessible to her Canadian fans. Felt like a slap in the face.
Answering your question from the end of the video: I would invest in drugstore brand from my country. There is this one brand that is vegan, cruelty free, they put out new things only couple times a year and they are often pretty bomb. So no fast fashion and no very cheap quality. Packaging could be better but when i see their prices i can't complain. They like collaborating with smaller youtubers and influencers from my country too. I just think there are nice people behind the brand and i wolud like to support that.
This. ♥ you ladies, Thank you. ♥♥!
I’m all for less is more. More brands that sells Multi-use refillable products. I know they exist but would like to see more of them.
Oh no. I'm gonna be tacky in the future. 😜 Seriously, I think I mostly be focused on sustainable brand in whatever way would make sense/impact.
please do a bn episode with christmas releases soon.. I always wait for updates from you - because there are so many brands releasing so much stuff during christmas, it is really hard to follow and know what I want to choose to spend my money on. Your video makes it easier to follow (not to mention the absolute entertainment provided by your reaction/thoughts). I know and understand your reasons to make fewer videos now (and I completely respect that). But I miss your weekly videos! My friday schedule had BN in it :(
My favourite sandy nude is Melt voyeur.
So basically they want a mini refillable make up line 😂😂 I'd buy it!
Ha!!! Jeff should be so lucky !
I recently got an email from a NZ beauty brand that I won a giveaway for people on their email list. But they wouldn't ship to America so I sadly couldn't accept it 😭 I'm sure that barely happens and it's usually the other way around. I would lovvvvve to support brands from Australia and new Zealand 🥺
That stinks! I have never been selected for a giveaway and I’m half convinced no one is ever selected for those things 😂
Oh you really got me with the title 😂🤣
Sounds like an Aussie Auric! As a fellow Aussie would definitely support. 🐨
Interesting chat and fair enough that you know where you want to go and don’t want to go in life. Further, a lot of opportunities that are available in the USA and EU aren’t available here, The discussion about make up trends is interesting, the trend of sheer base products & cream colour products is indicates the focus away from Instagram glam to a more natural look and emphasis on skincare. Is this driven by mask wearing? I know that having to wear a mask ion public and stay at home orders means more casual make up for me. I see lots of channels reviewing these sheer products, but not so many demonstrating these sheer and low key looks and trends. Is it because I’m not watching Tim Tok?
lookin forward to your new beauty brand guys, great video
Complains about international shipping and then charges astronomical international shipping *cough*samantha ravndahl*cough*
My ideal beauty brand would be the stuff for a lady like me who doesn’t wear makeup. Lip balm that is actually hydrating, high factor SPF that is really hydrating, a moisturizer for those of us who live in very cold climates that calms wind burn without leaving me feeling like I’ve got a super heavy Vaseline all over my face.
The ALDI Skin Caviar Advent Calendar is out next Wednesday 👏👏👏
In another world, you could be product development consultants! Although, I don’t know if there are companies that would honestly admit that they need your valuable insights. For some reason, crap releases are probably still making them a lot of money - and that’s all that matters at the end of the day.
I think there should be a discussion about women and money because it seems as soon as a lot of women start spending a lot of money on something from religion to fashion or make-up it seems to become a monster.
THE ENDIGN LOLOLOLLO JEFFREY STAR
If I had a brand, I would do what you said and make all the products mini. I am so tired of blush and highlight being like 4 grams that would take me 2 years of daily use to finish. I don't want to use the same blush or bronzer or whatever EVERYDAY FOR YEARS to finish the damn thing. Makeup needs to be like finger food, bite size. Just saying.
Love me some good old wine time 🥰
Both radiant beauties!!!!
I joked about this earlier this year when you guys were complaining about all the colabs....so I was right but I think it's really cool.
I know this will take a lot of time. But if you can, please make a video where you make your favourite colour of lipstick/ eyeshadow from scratch. It'll be fun!!!
Wouldn't it be the best middle finger to the world to see Haley and Kat doing a Jaclyn Hill Morphe collab type pitch, but making it ironic? I'd love it 😂😂
So when can I get that Beauty News x LabMuffin x La Roche Posay SPF Primer?
Kat I love that lip color on you ❤️
Imagine "BN by KH" or "BN by HK"... No matter what the brand name is I'd buy it lol, would be so refreshing knowing even the owners are very much so of the attitude of "we know what's good and what's not because even we don't buy makeup that we wouldn't like! Or even so as to knowing the owners themselves would only put out something they know the market would care for because if they didn't care for it themselves they wouldn't expect others to. Which I feel like a lot of brands still do lol
I was convinced you should be a ✨Beauty Brand Strategy Consultancy✨ where you explain WTF a brand is going to waste their money doing, before they actually fuck up
You’re so smart & you just gave away about $200-$500k in free advise that you could have billed