Hebrews Chapter 1 - Interpretation Catastrophe
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2015
- A Trinitarian train wreck. A brief commentary on the appalling Trinitarian interpretation(s) of Hebrews chapter 1: a tragic mess brought to you by the world of Trinitarian academia.
Sorry about the typos. I was in a bit of a rush.
The Trinitarian interpretation of Hebrews chapter one is a deplorable mess and it is very easy to demonstrate.
The Trinity Delusion
I really appreciate all your information that you have shared, it has been immensely important in my coming to clarity on the Trinity.
I came out of Mormonism 5 years ago all confused about what and who God really is, praying to know the truth. Your teachings have meant so much to me. I realize now that Mormon tritheism is just a more reasonable but unscriptural child of its fraudulent parent, the Triune idol. After 46 years of polytheism I'm so grateful to know the Only True God of scripture and His Only Begotten Messiah. Thankyou! and YHWH bless you!
Do you think it's possible that you might be reading to much into the letter as far as the author down grading the Law? Might the authors point be that the the Law in and of itself is insufficient for justification and not that it is irrelevant for salvation?
I've heard some commentators say there is convincing evidence that the letter was written to the Jewish believers in Rome, at the beginning of the Nero Persecution, to encourage them in their faithful endurance, endeavoring to dissuade them from returning to the Synagogue to escape persecution, effect denying the Messiah.
If this is so it seems reasonable that there would have been some who "forsook the assembling" of the saints in the rationalization that the important thing was that they stay faithful to Moses, who was the greatest prophet of Israel who received the law through angels, presumably a higher authority than that of the mere mortal Messiah.
If this is the case, it seems reasonably that the point of the author is not to undermine the efficacy of the Mosaic Law, but to assert the supremacy of the Messianic Covenant, and therefore the necessity of enduring persecution for his name's sake.
What do you think?
PS. For the first time in my life, my name Mikha'El has real significance to me. I recently learned that it is a rhetorical question, "Who is like God?" demanding the response:
"NO ONE!"
Bless!
@@Mikha335 I came out of many years of false religion and I believe the truth is scattered almost like what happened at the Tower of Babel. Some people have 50% another one might have 2% another one might have 75% and I have to clean. This ministry has great teachings on the Oneness of God and how there is only one God the Father who I call Yahweh and his son who is a man yahshua the Christ the son of the Living God. But I think equally that there is much error as far as the law of God. I believe True Believers walk in obedience to the Commandment even in Revelation 14-12 we see that they keep the faith of Jesus Christ but also the Commandments of God. I don't keep the pagan holidays either. There are some good Hebrew roots Ministries on RUclips, but some of them are Aryan or believe in the Trinity so I can't go there but they have some good teachings.
Mr. C
I feel the same. I guess it's time to grow up and learn to not trust in man, but to stand on your own two feet, knowing that "man doth not live by bread alone but by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of YHWH."
When Huss, Jerome and Tyndale burned at the stake, they did it on the basis of their own conviction. They had no man to console them, but only the faith of God. And notwithstanding they did not have all the information available to them that we do, I have no doubt but that He was with them and accepted their offering.
Shalom brother.
@@Mikha335 I usually get very happy when I find a Ministry or a teacher that I seem to agree with so that's why I'm grateful for RUclips. I have to make sure that it's not just the theological exercise because I'm very interested in the information that the truth has and to be correct and expose error. But at the same time we need balance to be closer to the heart of our Father through the knowledge of Christ. Shalom to you as well.
@@mr.e1220 Very good dialogue & points made here.
"Why does the Creator need to be made heir of His own creation?"
"Why does He need to inherit His own creation?"
That is some really really good questions. Any Trinitarians want to answer those?
Made heir in his humanity made Lord as a man
awesome video--i watch it again and again brother Kel
I'm in the process of studying out hebrews and was hung up on this very chapter... thank the Lord I came to this video. Good work big bro!
Great video. Will watch over again as this has alot of info.
excellent video en points !!!!!!!!!!!
keep it up my fellow Christian brother
love it
Excellent, brother. God bless!
Jehovah,s blessing is on you thank you brother ,
I am so glad I came about this channel. A few months ago a had a whirlwind debate via email with a Trinitarian. It actually started through RUclips comments which is ironic. He used to be a JW some 20 years ago. This is the one thing we have in common although I’ve only been inactive for around 7-8 months. Anyway, he threw the regular stuff Trinitarians throw at you ( Hebrews1, Revelation, Colossians 1:15,16, Genesis 1:26 etc and he supplied links to Trinitarian sites and RUclips videos with the likes of James White and Jeff Durbin. Both Trinitarian windbags. I answered his scriptures directly from the bible. I used a few versions. I must admit, I used Watchtower Online library for some added information. Just about all the reasoning I used is covered in these videos( the ones I’ve seen anyway) No matter how great the reasoning was. He just wouldn’t listen. He only wanted to hear his doctrine and respond with his doctrine. Fair dinkum, the rubbish and spin he sent me was phenomenal. I think the fact that I am an ex JW might have blinded him somewhat. Anyway, love your work Kel. Keep it up🤟
Read up on "Confirmation Bias." Trinitarians are taught to practice this bad behavior (they are conditioned to believe they must rationalize this doctrine despite the facts).
I agree 💯%! I feel your frustration. I say the same things everyday and wonder why people are so confused. Funny thing is that people will say we are confused... Lol it's all just so crazy.
EXCELLENT VIDEO!. I agree with everything. I tell to Trinitarians that their interpretations don't add up, but they always try to divert and twist. In some cases, they do not even care what is in the Greek.
+Gold Diamond Empty words. You don't even know what YOU are talking about, do you? Well, I'm a Christian. You can call me a "Trinitarian" if you wish. So, why don't you try putting your empty words to the test with ME? Lets see what CHRISTIANS actually believe, shall we? Let's see if I "twist" anything .. or if you are as blind and deluded at this simple old man.
+MessengerOfTruth If you were a true Christian, you will NOT follow a blasphemous doctrine of the Trinity. Worshiping Jesus literally as Almighty God is nothing but Idolatry. Did Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost (when thousands came to listen) that Jesus is Almighty God and that one must believe in him as Almighty God or Trinity to be saved? NO!!!...Also did Apostle Paul preached in Athens in ACTS 17 that Jesus is Almighty God and that man must believe in Jesus as Almighty God and the Trinity to be saved? NO!!!!... Trinitarians are being conditioned or brainwashed to believe in a diabolical perverted, twisted way to corrupt the scriptures to suit their man-made evil doctrines.
Of course they do they are grand liars!!
Excellent
I love this video my brother--forever useful to share--how are you Kel?
I'm doing okay alun.
these exact thoughts were going through my head yesterday
Hello Everyone and especially Jeff Dean, Eugene here. Jeff Dean commented below, "Christ's immortality did not begin at his resurrection" but if that were true, Jesus could not have died because only the mortal can die, but Jesus died and was raised by the power of his father, and now he has immortality and he cannot die again. Sometimes we misunderstand, thinking the promise is the fulfillment.
Eugene Lanzl
That's exactly what I think! When people called him the Son of God, they did it in faith of his future coronation, which unbeknownst to them at the time, would come at his resurrection.
Always clear definitive explanations of the scripture! Thank You 🙏😇💯
what version is he using?
I use to study on how to explain the truth about the trinity but no one believes it anymore. Only the deluded think 3=1 and there's no helping them. They have to come to the realization on their own that 3 and 1 are two different numbers, not the same number. What questions some might have about the trinity teaching are easily answered with plain scripture.
The trinity teachers that breeze through these comment sections just gibber and make their depravity plain to all. 2 Timothy 3:8,9
Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh (the Lord)
1. Rom. 10:9-13: Note the repeated “for” (gar), which links these verses closely together. The “Lord” of 10:13 (where kurios, “Lord,” translates the HebrewYahweh) must be the “Lord” of 10:9, 12.
2. Phil. 2:9-11. In context, the “name that is above every name” is “Lord” (vs. 11), i.e., Jehovah.
3. Heb. 1:10: Here God the Father addresses the Son as “Lord,” in a quotation from Ps. 102:25 (cf. 102:24, where the person addressed is called “God”). Since here the Father addresses the Son as “Lord,” this cannot be explained away as a text in which a creature addresses Christ as God/Lord in a merely representational sense.
4. 1 Pet. 2:3-4: This verse is nearly an exact quotation of Ps. 34:8a, where “Lord” is Jehovah. From 1 Pet. 2:4-8 it is also clear that “the Lord” in v. 3 is Jesus.
5. 1 Pet. 3:13-15: these verses are a clear reference to Is. 8:12-13, where the one who is to be regarded as holy is Jehovah.
6. Texts where Jesus is spoken of as the “one Lord” (cf. Deut. 6:4; Mark 12:29): 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:5; cf. Rom. 10:12; 1 Cor. 12:5.
7. Many other texts that call Jesus “Lord” do so in ways that equate him with Yahweh: Matt. 3:3, Mark 1:3, and Luke 3:4 (cf. Is. 40:3); Matt. 7:21-22 and Luke 6:46; Matt. 8:25 and 14:30 (cf. Ps. 118:25); Acts 1:24 (addressing the Lord Jesus [cf. v. 21] in prayer and attributing to him divine knowledge); 2:21 (cf. Joel 2:32), 36; 7:59-60; 8:25; 1 Cor. 1:2 (calling on the Lord), 8 (the day of the Lord) [etc.], 31 (cf. Jer. 9:23-24); 2:16 (cf. Is. 40:13); 4:4-5; 5:4 (gathering in the name of the Lord); 6:11; 7:17, 32-35 (devotion to the Lord); 10:21-22; etc.
JESUS is My LORD & My GOD The trinity is sophistry and not a teaching of scripture.
1 Corinthians 8:5,6 " Granted, there are so-called “gods,” in heaven and on the earth, as there are many gods and many lords. 6 However, for us believers, there is one God the Father. All things come from him, and we belong to him. And there is one Lord Jesus Christ. All things exist through him, and we live through him." Common English Bible.
Jesus was resurrected in the spirit realm when he made clear there is another that he worships as his God. Revelation 3:12 " As for those who emerge victorious, I will make them pillars in the temple of my God, and they will never leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from my God. I will also write on them my own new name." Common English Bible
Jesus is not a co-equal in some triad of deities. Trinity is a thoroughly ancient pagan concept.
Jesus also makes clear that he has brothers. That idea alone blows the trinity sky high out of the water.
What does Jesus mean in John 6:44-45? Was he talking about his disciples only?
Hope Whispers Jesus spoke the words of God the Father. He testifies to this many times in the Gospel of John. "I will put My words in his mouth" (Deut 18:15-18; Acts 3:22-26). He always kept the Father's Word and was the fleshly embodiment of the Father's will. When Jesus spoke, they were being taught by God the Father whose words Jesus spoke. In this way, Jesus was the Father's Word in terms of all the things that he did, and does. The Father and Son are revealed to those who love God and do His will.
thanks Kel :-)
Please comment upon the Nestle Alland 28th Edition, and the new greek fragments that say at Jude 5 (1:5) ' that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt,' its currently only in the ESV, James White was talking about it (not in connection with trinitarianism) but would like your take on this recent development in textual criticism. Is the 'land of Egypt' a kind of symbolism or allegory? or something else?
Mark Thomson There are several manuscript variants for this verse. I don't think it's too difficult to demonstrate that the "Jesus" reading is obviously incorrect. Matthew quotes Hosea 11:1 -
This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son." Matthew 2:15
When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son. Hosea 11:1
ok, excellent. But how do you know which variant?, if the oldest we have says 'Jesus' instead of 'Lord' ? besides pointing out that variants exist, how do you reconcile that what the oldest manuscript says is not correct, and later manuscripts are correct except resorting to a 'scribal error' argument or an unprovable assertion that there was a pre-meditated change and earlier copies were destroyed, either way, there is no earlier copy that gives the reading that way.
Mark Thomson We know corruptions were occurring very early in church history. Sometimes corrupted manuscripts were used to make multiple copies, and copies of copies, and so on.
But when we have a manuscript variant, and we can't prove with certainty which one is authentic, we don't get to pick which variant we would like to use. We don't get to pick anything. The problem here is that people are led to believe that you get to pick which variant you think is authentic. They do this because they need their preferred variant for "evidence." But it is evidence of nothing because they haven't proven it is authentic.
hmm ok, that makes sense. Of course the basis for the argument being upon one text or a 'comma johannium' type argument (Reliance on one variant or like a kjvonlyist) means that the majority of evidence is against them and they are propping up tradition in all likelyhood, so not that this Jude 5 text would make a difference, it not being the original copy anyway. Thanks.
Mark Thomson In addition to what he said, notice in Greek if you can use an interlinear (google "biblehub"), that the author's trend when referring to Jesus is to say "our lord" (or "lord of us"). When it makes sense that it's speaking of God, it's constantly "the Lord". Here, the variant is "the Lord", and so "Jesus" and "the Lord" are at odds, based on the author's style. So, for those who feel that "the lord" here is equivalent to "Jesus", they are mistaken. Furthermore, in the three or so times the author does this, he mentions Jesus by name. In such a short letter, he wouldn't have to normally, but since he apparently does this consistently, it seems to make sense that "the Lord" is not meant to be Jesus in the places where it's used.
Also, in answer to your question as to if it's figurative language:
no, it's not, because Jude is bringing to their remembrance how, when God had taken the Israelites out of Egypt, those who rebelled were destroyed for their unbelief. This was a warning against those who thought that they were in a good place in Jesus, and weren't afraid to fall. Although saved, they could still be destroyed, in other words.
Furthermore, to bolster more securely the understanding that Jesus is not that one that led them out of Egypt:
1) Jesus gives the reason that the Father is his God to the Samaritan woman at the well, by saying that "we Jews know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews." In other words, Jesus was descended according to the flesh from those who were saved out of Egypt.
2) Stephen claims that the burning bush angel was "an angel" to the Jews that shortly afterward killed him --- even in the New Testament.
3) The author of Hebrews says of God, from the Psalms, "Who makes His angels winds, and His servants a flame of fire." This was angels in contrast to Jesus. The burning bush angel and the pillar of fire angel were two examples where God appeared to them by an angel, appearing as a flame of fire, and this excludes Jesus form being these --- unless Trinitarians can prove that the Psalmist wasn't speaking about these occurrences! The only other place I can remember that fire could be considered an angel (besides where the angels of God looked like fiery men, which destroys other "Jesus = the angel of the LORD" trinitarian prooftexts) is when the wind and fire and earthquake passed before the LORD when He appeared to Elijah from the entrance of the cave where Elijah hid.
Excellent!
Welcome back, enjoying your thoughts. Consider a though of mine... When Holy Spirit is poured out upon someone that TOO is a resurrection of the dead, in a spiritual aspect as well as a physical. That is why in Hebrews 1:6 it says "But when he AGAIN brings fourth his firstborn into the world... Jesus was first brought fourth into the world at his baptism. Again, this is why Jesus says, let the dead bury the dead but you go out and proclaim the kingdom of God. That is also why in John 6:63 Jesus says the spirit GIVES LIFE.
unrhu Hebrews 1:6 concerns the world to come. See Hebrews 2:5 where the writer tells you this explicitly.But yes, the Spirit in us is resurrection life.
AHHHH now I see!!! Excellent eyes to see you have.
excellent
I would very MUCH love to have a discussion with you on Hebrews. I believe this is one of the BEST short videos covering the subject I have seen. Christ's immortality did not begin at his resurrection (and neither does ours). Christ is called "firstborn of every creature" in Colossians 1: 15. Trinitarians and modalists use that verse as "proof" that Christ pre-existed creation itself yet the statement makes Christ a PART of the creation. It says "of every creature." This clearly would make Christ a "creature." Yet, Christ was not "born" again in the resurrection. The resurrection is the PROOF of his rebirth, it is the evidence of his status as Son of God, but he possessed this eternal life from the day of his baptism when the voice spoke and said "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him."
Yet, even BEFORE the baptism, at his very birth, angels heralded the birth saying "Glory to God on the Highest, peace on earth and good will toward men." In fact, it can be argued that this "Glory" of the Son of God was given to him from "the foundations of the world."
There is much more I could say on this. I will just say that Christ was "begotten" from the very beginning and even though he did not come into existence until he was born in Bethlehem, he existed in the mind and the purposes of God from the very foundation of the world. In our haste to refute the ERROR let us not lose sight of the truth.
The Hebrews author makes several statements that make no sense IF the author thought that Christ was God HIMSELF. First, as you have pointed out, it says he obtained a more excellent name than the angels, it says he "inherited" the power, and later the author of Hebrews feels it necessary to tell us that Christ is "greater than Moses." This makes NO sense if the author and those to whom he wrote all believed that Christ IS God himself? WHY would ANYONE in a trinitarian or modalist world think it necessary to say that "Jesus is greater than Moses?"
Jeff Dean Jesus pre-existed in God's plan, idea= logos.
Jeff Dean They make Jesus out to be the firstborn in the sense of being the heir, but again, it goes along with what TheTrinityDelusion was saying about God not needing to inherit His own creation. The idea of Jesus being firstborn is that of Psalm 89:26-29. I saw the Trinities podcast #97 recently where it is addressed in a very different way where God talks about inheriting Israel, in that He takes for Himself a people to make a name for Himself, and lets the various princes have the various nations, as the guest understands it.
I just meant to mention that second part in case you do remember where God said He would have them in Isaiah 19:24,25.
We are His workmanship in Christ Jesus.
Jonathan Jensen Actually God does not "inherit" Israel. In order for that to happen Israel would have had to belong to someone else who then bequeathed it to him. The closest thing you could come to is "adopted" yet that is not even correct for God created Israel. The entire nation would not even exist if not for the miraculous birth of Isaac, which only came as a result of God granting Abraham "righteousness" because of his faith.
They need to check into their own religion for we are "saved by GRACE" and this because Abraham was "saved by grace" and righteousness was "imputed to him" because of his faith. Therefore, there own religion states that Israel only exists by the GRACE OF GOD! How then does God "inherit" Israel?
It's quite frankly, moronic.
I am just saying that the Old Testament puts it in the way of an inheritance (or an allotment) that He gave to Himself when He created them as a nation --- and that's all that I meant.
- Christ is called "firstborn of every creature" in Colossians 1: 15. -
No he is the firstborn of the new creation.
Im a Jehovahs witness student soon to be baptized i recognize all Churchs and all Christians are imperfect. The Jw Christian organization is the one i simply choose. I read the bible and study it daily it is my delight. I subscribed to ur channel becuz wat u say is true Jesus is not God. Hes wat God promised david, a king from his lineage whose kingdom will last forever, hes Gods son Gods word not God. Ive been taught by the Jw tht God is Jehovah and Jesus is not God. And ive studied with the King james bible and much readin havr come to the same conclusion despite troubles. I know now for sure Jesus is not God if only you trinity people would see ur error of ur ways. Jus read the bible who better to teach u then YHWH himself learnef he is only God errythin after is extended from him, Jesus is his son simply hes not God hes his word and man the mediator between God and man. King priest Not God.
big mistake
Enjoy getting doors closed on your face :)
Hey, does it say that Michael the arch angel was called by God his son? The first chapter of Hebrews reads a rhetorical question saying" to which the angels did God ever say, you are my son, today I have begotten you? And 2 Timothy 2:12 says this is a trustworthy saying" if we persevere, we shall reign with him. That means that if a follower of The Messiah Jesus suffers that person will reign with Christ. But for some reason, because of those joined in the "organization" they dismiss 2 Timothy 2:12, and actually answer the rhetorical question Hebrews 1:5. Even some translations like the Jerusalem bible says "God has never said to any angel: you are my son, today I have become your father.
omar arreola Does it say that Michael the Archangel was NOT called a son by God?
The writer asks a rhetorical question. Hebrews 2:5 "For it was not angels that he subjected the world to come..." It is clearly not an angel that God said to David that he will father a son from his decedent, from the line of David. The incarnation is a pagan doctrine when you have beings and gods coming into the form of men. No, it was the seed of Abraham that the Messiah would originate from in whose origins would spring from. Check out the NIV on Matthew 1:1 "This is account of the origin of Jesus the Messiah, son of David, son of Abraham..." What do you say about Hebrews 2:5? it is clearly not to angels. To which of the Angels did God ever say "You are my son; this day I have begotten you? or again : I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me? And again, when he leads the first-born into the world he says "Let all the angels of God worship him". And the writer clearly ditinguishes between angels and his son in the next verse "Heb 1:7 "Of the angels he says "He makes his angels winds and his ministers a fiery flame"'; "But of the son..." What about that clear division between angels and the son. If you answer the writer's question saying "It was to Michael the arch angel whom God said to be his only-begotten son, then you just rejected scripture. It is so simple yet JW's deny simple promises of scripture like that in 2: Timothy 2:12. wHAT HAPPENED in 1914? Did every eye see Jesus?
One major problem is that the translators took it upon themselves to erroneously translate Hebrew -Elohim to Greek - Ho Theos.... when the CONTEXT is toward a HUMAN KING. Elohim....is appropriate for the highest Authority, King, Priest, and Judge over all God's Kingdom (under Ho Theos, God)..... Lord Jesus Christ was exalted to be named Lord, and to sit on God's throne at His right hand...and appointed by God to judge the living and the dead....Elohim has a much broader usage, and includes HUMAN BEINGS (Sons of God) in the highest places....See Psalm 82 : 6 - The MOST HIGH is Ho Theos.
Do you live in Canada?
+Rightway Through Jesus Yeah eh?
The Trinity Delusion Nice, I spotted that accent the first video of yours I came across while coming out of the trinity doctrine. Thanks for helping open my eyes. There is something about the way you Canadians say about. 😀
What part?
Very good! On point.
What might help is understanding that angels are humans. The Greek word angel is obviously referencing Jewish authorities. Heaven & Earth refers to the temple as well.
I have a side qt.. how do other unitarian manage to escape the RAGE, RATH, THE SCORN, AND YES HATRED the we as JWS endure from the trinitatians. If a Jw says. The moon is orange, the trinitarians will viciously disagree, even if an orange moon is hanging in the sky, this is a genuine qt, any thoughts ?
If they insult and hate each other what makes so special? If they persecuted the prophets who came before Jesus what makes you so special? Genuine followers of Jesus know what Matthew 5:10-12 means. They also know such treatment doesn't mean they are his genuine followers because antichrist of the world do it to each other.
26:51 HILARIOUS. So true, Trinity looks weak.
And you shall call his name Immanuel God With Us
I notice that none of the trinitarians that posted comments delt with Hebrews because they cant. They repeat the same scriptures. If hebrews was written to say Jesus is God the way trinitarians claim then he would be an exalted God which still refutes the trinity! Because God has no peers! God, exalted God, so that God would be made better than his peers? What?!!
It was better translated "new age" when it says aions.
Jeff Dean Much better
C 19
Explain how a new age cannot be created. LOL that was a pretty silly question. If it's "new" the old is gone and a new has been created. This should be common sense.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". John 1:1
***** 2 Corinthians 4:4. Satan is also called God, so by your logic There are 4 in 1 not 3 in 1, so almighty god, Jesus and the holy spirit must be Satan as well!!!!! here is another Exodus 7:1 calls Moses god so that must mean 5 in 1, as all the the word god mentioned here are called θεός theos theh'-os= GOD
Beany mane Don't forget Samuel:
1 Samuel 28:13,14,
And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what seest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I see a god coming up out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a robe. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground, and did obeisance.
C 19 No, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I don't read the NWT.
C 19 My point is that since there are more than just the Trinity called "god", why not include them as God? Jesus is given certain titles of God --- but then so are men like Peter (Rock).
My beliefs are not the same as the Jehovah's Witnesses. All you saw is one thing: me demonstrating where a man is called a god in the Bible. I don't read the NWT, but if it says "god" there, then it would be accurate enough, being that it's "elohim", the primary word for God.
It's not a matter of being a Jehovah's Witness that makes one realize this, but actually looking into the sources themselves. To call someone a Jehovah's Witness in order to dismiss them is just an instance of character assassination or poisoning the well, which is an attack against the person.
No one can refute what the Bible says, since it's there for us to plainly read.
Go ahead and look into it if you don't believe me!
I use biblehub.com (bible.cc) for its interlinear in order to see exactly what's going on in the original languages, although I haven't gone into the depth of study that involves looking at every manuscript. I'm not a theologian or anything, but a layman.
C 19 The words for God in the Bible mean something along the lines of "mighty". Those ones that are called gods that are not God are mighty ones, and we do have one that is called the one true God: the Father of Jesus Christ our Lord.
Image means just what it means. Idol also means image, but an image is a picture of something else. The statues were pictures of creatures or those that they thought were gods. Jesus is a picture of God --- in other words he reveals God; Jesus reveals the Father (John 1:18; John 14:9,10).
I wouldn't say normally that Jesus is a "god" like Satan, except that Satan also had received all power and authority from God (Luke 4:6).
The reason that I mentioned rock is because people have gone out and perverted Paul's words to say that Jesus was the pillar of fire, and they called that pillar of fire "the rock" that Paul mentions. What Paul is talking about is the rock that gushed water, and also the manna from heaven, which Jesus also says that he is, and claims to give them the water of God's words in the Holy Spirit.
They go on to cite in the Law where it says of God there is no "rock" like Him. So, they say of Jesus, "he is the rock! he is God!" This is not me exaggerating, but this is their argument.
Yet, Peter is also called the Rock, so that's why I gave that as an example. It's an example of where we have to have understanding and not just play memory-game with verses in the Bible. You know, if one verse looks like the other, it means they're the same thing or directed at the same one.
I think you're looking at this through a very different lens. For example, you ask why would God need to inherit something he already created? Hebrews 1:2 states, "hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in [a]his Son, whom he appointed HEIR of ALL things, through whom also he made the [b]worlds;" To me, the Hebrew writer is explaining that the earth is no longer under the rule of the devil, but rather under the redemption of Christ.
When Adam sinned, he ended up transferring control of certain things in this earthly life to the Devil. With the death of Christ, that ownership is being properly restored back to MAN in the form of Jesus. Thus why Hebrews 1:2 along with other scriptures mention this idea of Jesus being heir and us humans being heirs as well. This is God restoring things back to the proper order. Verse 3 supports this idea. Hebrews 1:3 states, "who being the effulgence of his glory, and [c]the very image of his substance, and upholding ALL things by the WORD of HIS power, when he had made PURIFICATION of SINS, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 having become by so much better than the angels, as he hath inherited a more excellent name than they."
Notice the purification of sins leads to Jesus sitting down at the right hand of the Father.
The devil's ownership is explained in the scriptures as well. If we look at 1 John 5:19 it states, "19 We know that we are of God, and the WHOLE WORLD lieth IN the EVIL ONE." John 12:31 emphasizes this as well. "31Now is [o]the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be CAST OUT." Also, Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him unto an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 and he said unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and [f]worship me." Wouldn't this section be about the redemption of mankind from sin?
Another question you have, "Does God need to become superior to the angels?" While Jesus was on earth, he willingly submitted himself before the father as a HUMAN yet acted in his divinely power when it was in accordance to the Father's will. This was all about restoring this world to the proper order. Because Jesus took on that sin, that's why for a brief moment he willingly made himself lower than the angels as stated in Hebrews 2:9 "But we behold him who hath been made [f]a LITTLE LOWER than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of DEATH for every man." Again, the writers are explaining that Jesus willingly denied his true nature so that a ransom sacrifice could be made to restore man-kind to proper relationship with God. It's the human side of Christ that causes this to occur.
When you get to Hebrews 1:5, you state, "I could never figure out why this passage is here." My belief is that the writers are explaining to the readers that Jesus himself isn't an angel and that He's far superior to them despite having the nature of a man as well. Also, the writers are showing that the two (the father & the son) work together in perfect relationship with one another. Jesus again is willingly submitting himself before the Father because of his HUMAN side. Notice the scripture, 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
[d]Thou art my Son,
This day have I begotten thee?
and again,
[e]I will be to him a Father,
And he shall be to me a Son? - This is in reference to the HUMAN creation of Jesus in the womb. That human side is why Jesus willingly humbles himself before the Father. This doesn't deny his divine nature at all which the writers of Hebrews are trying to explain to the reader. I honestly don't see how that doesn't work as you claim it wouldn't in the video because verse six goes right along with this statement.
Hebrews 1:6 [f]And when he again [g]bringeth in the FIRSTBORN (this is showing the human side and the rank of Christ) into [h]the WORLD he saith, [i]And let all the angels of God WORSHIP him.
Doesn't Jehovah clearly state that no else is to be worshipped but him? Exodus 33:14 (for thou shalt worship NO OTHER GOD: for Jehovah, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. You say this is just bowing, but wasn't that act seen as a type of worship when Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused to fall down in front of the image Nebuchadnezzar made? Or as the Devil stated Jesus to do to him?
Also, how does the firstborn (which could mean first in rank) NOT show Jesus as being divine? I honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make. When I look at the section 22:14, I see something similar in belief that we'll have a resurrection similar to Christ's where we'll be restored to our original body but it will be glorified.
I have to get to bed, but I"ll write more tomorrow.
Jesus faithfully carried out his assignment and became God’s greatest witness ever on earth. With every right, then, the apostle John, who stood near Jesus at the time of his death, calls Jesus “the Faithful Witness.” (Rev. 1:5)
God proved his love for and approval of Jesus as “the Faithful Witness” by raising him from the dead on the third day. And he was decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42).
God rewards his “Faithful Witness” by giving him all authority as king to judge the living and the dead.
Jesus now has become better than the angels. Had Jesus worshiped Satan, he would not have been “the Faithful Witness.”
Jesus also told his apostles that when he would sit down on his throne in the “re-creation,” they would “sit upon twelve thrones” to do judging. (Mt 19:28; Lu 22:28-30) Paul indicated that Christians who had been “called to be holy ones” will judge the world. (1Co 1:2; 6:2) Also, the apostle John saw in vision the time when some received “power of judging.” (Re 20:4)
Worship was covered in the video.
Matthew 2:1-2 (KJV)
1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Notice it says wise men from the east came to worship him. But did it say they came to worship a god?
No. It says the one born King of the Jews which troubled Herod.
Notice how other translations translate it:
Matthew 2:2 (WNT) inquiring, "Where is the newly born king of the Jews? For we have seen his Star in the east, and have come here to do him homage."
Matthew 2:2 (YLT) saying, `Where is he who was born king of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and we came to bow to him.'
Matthew 2:2 (CEB) They asked, "Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We've seen his star in the east, and we've come to honor him."
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When the Greek verb pro·sky·neʹo is used to refer to the worship of a god or a deity, it is rendered “to worship.” In this context, however, the astrologers were asking for “the one born king of the Jews.” So it is clear that it refers to obeisance or homage to a human king, not a god. A similar usage is found at Mr 15:18, 19, where the term is used of the soldiers who mockingly “bowed down” to Jesus and called him “King of the Jews.”
Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords but not the Almighty God.
So the bowing to Jesus is to a king, not as God the Almighty. Jesus inherited a better name and all authority from his God and Father and became better than the angels. The angels now have to bow (not worship) before their king.
The Jews has never worshiped 3 persons in 1 God otherwise they would have worshiped the wrong God for thousands of years. How can the Jews worshiping the wrong God for thousands of years be explained?
If there had been a controversy over a trinity like there was over circumcision in the first century I am sure it would not have been overlooked when the NT was written.
The God above God anoints the God below God.
I know most parallel 2 Samuel 7:14 with Hebrews 1:5, but I think 1 Chronicles 17:13 is a better comparison. The footnotes say the Hebrews writer is referring to 2 Samuel...I think he is referring to
1 Chronicles 17:13.
"I will be to him a father and he shall be to me a son: and my mercy will I not withdraw from him, as I withdrew it from them that were before thee. And I will establish him in my house and in his kingdom forever; and his throne shall be set up forever"
2 Samuel 7:13 "I will be to him a father and he shall be to me a son. And when he happens to transgress I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the sons of men"
The Samuel passage is about Solomon, but the parallel Chronicles passage is about the Messiah.
Oh, Hebrews 1:8 is better rendered as "God is thy throne..."
That's the way it should read.
2 Samuel gives a “near” & “far” prophecy & works better because the distinction between Solomon & Jesus is interpreted clearly.
Brother Kel, as you say Trinity World is always going to get it wrong with their Eisegesis interpretations of Scripture because when they see Jesus is Lord they think it saying that Jesus is God?
If you falsehood concept of who God is your going to have a different God, Jesus, Spirit and a different Gospel which is No Gospel at All?
So God lie when he said in Hebrews 1! 8 But God said about his Son,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.
9 You have loved what is right and hated what is wrong.
That is why God, your God,
anointed you, rather than your companions, with the oil of joy.”
What text is being quoted there?
Good job, brother. Exposing Trinitarian shenanigans!!
off topic to Hebrews, but close by page Turning, is Titus 2v 13. if God Appears, what will he Look Like? ah yes Colossians 1v 15. Even a child can believe the simplicity of it, but Those Professing themselves wise make themselves foolish. Romans 1v 22. i worship nothing less than the creator as a simple child of God. and none can enter in unless he Becomes Like a Little child, mark 10v15. out of the Mouths of Babes i have perfected Praise. and of course, 1Tim 3v 16 wraps it up.
Google "comma debate,trinity" Tertullian,St Jerome,Erasmus.Also look at what was decided by Rome to be your bible creeds in council of Nicea. Or...just believe and nod your heads...
+motorhead You DO realize that the Deity of Jesus was written about by Early Church fathers since the FIRST CENTURY, long before any "Council" of the THIRD Century, don't you? No. Of course you don't. Next you'll be telling us that it was John Darby who invented the Rapture.
Some of us have read the ancient writings from the beginning; there is nothing found in the Nicene Creed regarding the Deity of Christ that is not also taught by the ancients from the beginning, and cannot be demonstrated from the scriptures themselves. What you are confused over is the difference between the obstacles facing Christianity in the second century vs. that of the third. In the second century, thy combatted the Gnostics. So they focused on terms such as Logos and Sophia, Nous, etc.; in the third century, it was the Sabellians who denied the persons of the Godhead, making no distinction between Father and Son, but treated Father, Son and Spirit as three modes as perceived by the believer. The polemics of that century were geared against his followers, thus hearing more about "persons" and "Trinity" to give expression to that which Sabellius denied.
Jesus become the image. Men made hem an idol?
I am Sorry but I don't see any Error with regards to the Trinity here, I think you just really do not understand Who Jesus was. You were right that this is written for the Jews and the writer completely understand how difficult it is to convince a religious sect which is already deeply rooted to a singularity of a God. Because of that the writer did not emphasized so much as to the divinity of Jesus but instead made a contrast with the Angels of his superiority in terms of the human Jesus that is being elevated. What you are missing out in here is Jesus dual nature, he is fully divine and yet also fully human, so which one is the writer talking about here? Its Jesus humanity, it was Jesus in the flesh that becomes the Son which is being establish and being given an honor and not his divine self which is already a God, and that is where you are getting confused about. God proclaim today you are now my Son that is the human Jesus, In psalm 22:10 - You can see the opposite proclamation of the humanity of Jesus in regards to the Father and it says : I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. The WORD which is a GOD was incarnated and become FLESH, he become human and as human he now have to call the Father his GOD, just as the Father calls him a SON. Just as your problem with the creator who created everything, why did he have to inherit all this when it is him who created the world. Similar situation here The human Jesus did not create the world but his divine self, so the one that is being establish here is the humanity of Jesus that is getting the inheritance. He is the one being exalted, he is the one being given dominion, glory and power. and his name is now being honored and glorified. Although the divine Son were never establish in the Old Testament but it is him who was making the Father known to humanity, it was him who are showing up visibly in the Old Testament, doing things as a God, It was him who was SENT by God who become a servant but never did his identity been known to mankind. Only in the New testament that he is now being honored for the Glory of the Father. his human self. This is what Jesus is praying in John 17:1-5 - When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. For You granted Him authority over all humanity, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. And now Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. THE WORD/MEMRA WHOM GOD HAD SENT ON A MISSION ON EARTH HAS ACCOMPLISH THE TASK THAT HE SUPPOSED TO DO, NOW HE IS ASKING THE FATHER TO GLORIFY THE HUMAN JESUS BODY TO BE EXAULTED AND BE ELEVATED AND HONORED AND BE GLORIFIED, THE WORD NOW WILL HAVE AN ETERNAL HUMAN BODY THUS MAKING NOW HAS A HUMAN GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. I felt sorry for you, your already in the TRUTH but due to ignorance you jump over board.
I will be what I will be (Ehyeh asher Ehyeh) its not Iam that Iam ,thats what God sayd to Moshe at Mount Sinai !
I can see nothing in this verse that ends some type of Sabbath observance for a Christian. There remains food and drink. There are the feasts and so on in the Jewish calendar, but gentiles do not normally follow that. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, so how is it in principle done away with? One day in seven of your own choice would be the right message. Socinians would agreed with that position, right or wrong?
Randall White "this verse" What verse?
God is Love. The law was not loving. God did not delight in animal sacrifice. An angel gave Moses the mediator of the law , the law multiplied sin and brought death. We are to love our enemy. So what angel gave Moses the law. God did not give Moses the law. No man has heard or seen God.
Hey TheTrinityDelusion, (may I call you "Jack"?)
Even if we used the more common translation, we have God speaking of Himself in the third person supposedly, saying, "God, your God" about Himself! Since it's supposedly the Father speaking about the Son, we have the Father calling Jesus "God", and saying that He (in the third person) anoints Jesus.
Trinitarians don't like that, though --- which is why they try to split occurrences like that up into multiple God persons in prophecies. Also, the only other God-person in Trinitarianism would be the Holy Spirit...but is the Holy Spirit anointing Jesus above his companions? That would contradict Acts 10:38, where God (the Father) anoints Jesus WITH the Holy Spirit, thus distinguishing God from the Spirit.
The usual response is, "oh, but they're one God anyway" or, "you're assuming Unitarianism!" XD
I guess that makes it OK to "confound the persons!"
Jonathan Jensen Typically, Trinitarians do not like to confess their transgressions concerning Scripture even after these corruptions are clearly pointed out to them.
C 19 Often times they don't speak of the divinity of Jesus at all --- often they are taken out of context.
We're under compulsion to go with the flow of the Bible, so to make a case for the non-divinity as man of Jesus is fine if it goes with the flow and doesn't contradict.
C 19 I was just responding to you, that's all.
+Jonathan Jensen This is actually pathetic and doesn't show deep tought OR understanding. Plus, you people make me laugh how you make so many claims and then SAY what a Christian believes, but you aren't having a dialog with any CHRISTIAN at all prove your point. Empty words. Well, {I} am a Christian. Try that mess with me and you will not be able to even ANSWER what I present.
+MessengerOfTruth What are you talking about?
*Paul was not writing a letter to the Hebrews to preach the trinity to them, this is an absurdity*.
The point that Paul, understood to be the writer, is that Jesus is not just another angel. He is /not/ saying that Jesus is not an angel. The fact that Jesus is above the angels does not exclude the possibility that he is an angel himself. Indeed he speaks with the /voice/ of an archangel in 1 Thess 4:18. Since this means Chief Angel, that logically means there can only be one archangelc - a greater angel. So /if/ Jesus is God, then /why/ would he speak with the /voice/ of an archangel when raising the dead? Imagine that, Paul is saying that the /voice/ of an archangel can raise the dead. Not an ordinary angel indeed. Only the Chief Angel can do that because he gets his authority from somebody greater than himself. To suggest that God speaks with the /voice/ of an archangel to raise the dead make no sense at all. God would */never/* speak with the voice of /any/ angel. The passage only makes sense one way and no other: The Father has a Son, a unique Son through whom he created all things. That Son was sent to earth to undo Adam's sin, that means we all inherited sin and death. The other reason is that an angel led that rebellion against God and the charge of loyalty stands, to the point that Satan has charged that he can mislead anybody to rebel against God, that charge would naturally have to be aimed at the highest level, the Only-Begotten Son who is in the bosom position, the one whom God used as a Master Worker to create everything, *would Satan's charge not ultimately apply to him more than any other*? That is an inescapable fact. Hence Jesus was tested and proved Satan false. Others have also proved Satan false. But that was actually, in a relative way, less important. Hence, as Satan realised, it was possible for Jesus to fail, otherwise, why would you test him? But Jesus' conquering Satan seals Satan's doom. No room for any trinity here. Jesus was faithful under extreme test, until death.
The letter to the Hebrew Christians was to remind them of what they really had, as the Jews could still point at the magnificent Herodian Temple, the priesthood, this highly visual system of belief, and hear them say "Look what we have got, and what do you have? You are followers of a criminal who was put to death for blasphemy..." and so on they were taunted. The letter to the Hebrews was intended to strengthen and remind them of the things that were superior and that they were in the last days of the Jewish system of things, and that God had spoken to them "by means of a Son" and *how can you top that*?
With those thoughts in mind, read Hebrews and many things fall into place. That *Christians now had something far greater* and that even faithful men of the past, many so idolised by the Jews, would have liked to have witnessed, but were dead. Read chapter 11 about faithful men of old. Hence it says "All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and *welcomed them from a distance*, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth."
A few more years and the temple would be no more (AD70), but Christ was the reality of God's promises and the real temple was now something much greater, the Jewish system was only a shadow. The new reality is greater. So when Hebrews 1 is read, and the rest of it, take these things into account.
*Paul was not writing a letter to the Hebrews to preach the trinity to them, this is an absurdity*.
The whole point of the letter is then lost.
Angels and archangels are human priests working in the temple. Jesus was an archangel Michael but that is a positional role not a literal identity or a pre-existing entity. Same thing with satan. Satan is just an adversary and that can be political, religious, or military and it always depends on context.
Yes Jesus is positionally speaking archangel Michael aka the high priest he is not the only archangel Michael and didn't pre-exist .
Yahshua is the visible image of Elohim , He is the Yahweh who appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18
Jenkins Sahayam
Where in the bible does it say the Jesus appeared to Abraham?
Genesis 18 When visible Yahweh (Jesus) was speaking with Abraham. Jesus Hebrew name is Yahshua which means Yahweh is saviour. In the Tanakh Yahweh promise to be the saviour. Yahweh had to be born in flesh to redeem mankind with blood atonement as per His Torah and promise in Genesis 3:16 that the SEED OF THE WOMEN reiterated by ISAIAH 7 as the virgin born.
Jenkins Sahayam
Jeremiah 33:16
In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell in safety; and this is the name by which she will be called: YAHWEH is our righteousness.'
Jeremiah calls Jerusalem "YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" does this mean Jerusalem is Yahweh?
The name Immanuel was given to someone else in the old testament as a promise to king Ahaz of Juda from God. The promise was that God would destroy the kings enemies, as a sign that his oracle is a true one, Isaiah predicts that an almah (young woman of marriagable age) will shortly give birth to a child whose name will be Immanuel, "God is with us", and that the threat from the enemy kings will be ended before the child grows up.
This child was given the name Immanuel, does this mean that the child was God with us?? This name Immanuel was then applied to Jesus in the new testament.
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hi
thanks for quoting jeremiah 33. also see jeremiah 23:6. it's the Messiah being called LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
before the period we find there is one more duty of the Messiah to fulfil His duty to become a saviour.
zechariah 6:12 the branch metaphor of the Messiah is called by the name Yahoshua which is translated as Jesus. in this verse u see the high priest was commanded to wear a crown meant only for kings. Jesus ( Yahweh is saviour) had to bring atonement in his first coming. when he comes again he will come as a ruler (Yahweh our Righteousness ) after all Yahweh is the one who says He is the saviour and king. I don't understand what sort of faith people have when they read the scripture of His promise to tabernacle among them and rule over them yet people not expecting it to happen.
hi
thanks for quoting jeremiah 33. also see jeremiah 23:6. its the Messiah being called LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
before the period we find there is one more duty of the Messiah to fulfil ie, His duty to become a saviour.
zechariah 6:12 the branch metaphor of the Messiah is called by the name Yahoshua which is translated as Jesus. in this verse u see the high priest was commanded to wear a crown meant only for kings. Jesus ( Yahweh is saviour) had to bring atonement in his first coming. when he comes again he will come as a ruler (Yahweh our Righteousness ) after all Yahweh is the one who says He is the saviour and king. I dont understand what sort of faith people have when they read the scripture of His promise to tabernacle among them and rule over them yet people not expecting it to happen.
sukrusten- triniterians don't belive Jesus,and GOD are the same person -that is a oneness pagan idea.
YAHWEH
"Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, Yahweh, the first, and with the last; I am he." Isaiah 41:4
"Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god." Isaiah 44:6
"Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last." Isaiah 48:12
JESUS
"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, ‘Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.’" Revelation 1:17-18
"And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.’" Revelation 2:8
"Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Revelation 22:12-13
Are you trying to make these look like Yahweh and Jesus are the same? Do you generally think that EVERYONE who is given the same title or epithet is the same? Just curious what you think about Moses, with whom Yahweh shared a title too?
@@lizzard13666 Did Yahweh shared hIS name Yahweh with Moses
@@jenkinssahayam3872 So you agree with me, sharing titles doesn't mean you are the same being. I shared my name with my wife, and yet we are two separate beings. Yahweh can share His name, reputation, and titles with whomever He wants.
@@lizzard13666 two seperate beings can become an ECHAD , thanks for proving my point.
@@jenkinssahayam3872 Oh, so then you believe that we will become echad with Yahweh?
God is not confined by time or space--done deal
2 words in hebrew for worship-shachah[which you can do to a human]--eved--service that only goes to the Father
alun williams
Proskuneó
proskuneó: to do reverence to Original Word: προσκυνέω
Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: proskuneó
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-neh'-o) Short Definition: Worship.
Definition: I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship.
Matthew 14:33. GOD'S WORD® Translation The men in the boat bowed down in front of Jesus and said, "You are truly the Son of God."
Douay-Rheims Bible And they that were in the boat came and adored him, saying: Indeed thou art the Son of God.
Darby Bible TranslationBut those in the ship came and did homage to him, saying, Truly thou art God's Son.
Weymouth New Testamentand the men on board fell down before him and said, "You are indeed God's Son."
Young's Literal Translationand those in the boat having come, did bow to him, saying, 'Truly God's Son art thou.'
Jesus’ disciples are said to have “worshiped” him, according to RS, TEV, KJ; other translations say that they “showed him reverence” (NAB), “bowed down before him” (JB), “fell at his feet” (NE), “did obeisance to him” (NW). ... 716) This is the term used at Matthew 14:33 to express what the disciples did toward Jesus; at Hebrews 1:6 to indicate what the angels are to do toward Jesus; at Genesis 22:5 in the Greek Septuagint to describe what Abraham did toward God and at Genesis 23:7 to describe what Abraham did.
So Abraham got up and bowed down to the people of the land (proskuneó worshipped) to the sons of Heth. So in harmony with the custom of the time, they did this pratice toward people with whom he was doing business; 1 Kings 1:23 At once the king was told: “Here is Nathan the prophet!” He came in before the king and prostrated himself to the king with his face to the ground in the Septuagint to describe the prophet Nathan’s action on approaching King David. So all they did was show reverential respect.
"Let all the angels of God worship him."
Proskyneo and the English word "Worship."
In Greek, there are two words which have been translated as "worship." Neither one of these Greek words do themselves contain the whole constellation of ideas which are usually associated with the English word "worship." In many minds, the English word "worship" is something one only does to the one God. This article deals with the Greek word proskyneo (you may also see this word written in the English alphabet as proskuneo).
How the Greek word proskyneo is used in the Bible.
The following examples show how the Greek word proskyeno and its correlating Hebrew word shachah were understood by ancient minds. Proskyneo was the Greek word the ancient Jews used to translate the Hebrew word shachah in their Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures known as the Septuagint a century or two before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. This Jewish translation of the Old Testament into Greek is vitally important because it shows how ancient Jews before Christ understood the word proskyneo. Their use of the word proskyneo plainly shows Trinitarians are falsely claiming that this word referred to an act one should only do toward the God of Israel. The facts clearly show the Trinitarian claim is wretchedly false.
As you read through these examples, bear in mind that the word in question in the following examples is the word Trinitarians are translating as "worship" in the New Testament. This word is translated both as "to bow down before" as well as "worship" in each example to illustrate clearly the serious problem with the Trinitarian claim.
1. Old Testament Testimony: Hebrew shachah, Septuagint Greek proskyneo
Lot "worships" two angels
The two angels came to Sodom in the evening and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed himself with his face to the earth, and said, "My Lords, turn aside, I pray you, to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise up early and go on your way. (Genesis 19:1-2).
Abraham "worships" the Hittites
Abraham rose and bowed down before the Hittites, the people of the land.....then Abraham bowed down before the people of the land. (Genesis 23:7,12).
Isaac blesses Jacob to have everyone "worship" him
'Let peoples serve you and nations bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may your mother's sons bow down to you. Cursed be every one who curses you, and blessed be every one who blesses you!' As soon as Isaac had finished blessing Jacob, when Jacob had scarcely gone out from the presence of Isaac his father, Esau his brother came in from his hunting. (Genesis 27:29).
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Jacob "worships" Esau
And Jacob lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, Esau was coming and four hundred men with him. So he divided the children among Leah and Rachel and the two maids. And he put the maids with their children in front, then Leah with her children, and Rachel and Joseph last of all. He himself went on before them, bowing himself to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother.
But Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck and kissed him, and they wept. He lifted his eyes and saw the women and the children, and said, "Who are these with you?" So he said, "The children whom God has graciously given your servant." Then the maids came near with their children, and they bowed down. Leah likewise came near with her children, and they bowed down; and afterward Joseph came near with Rachel, and they bowed down. And he said, "What do you mean by all this company which I have met?" And he said, "To find favor in the sight of my Lord." (Genesis 33:1-4).
And Jacob lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, Esau was coming and four hundred men with him. So he divided the children among Leah and Rachel and the two maids. And he put the maids with their children in front, then Leah with her children, and Rachel and Joseph last of all. He himself went on before them, worshiping seven times, until he came near to his brother.
Joseph's brothers will "worship" him
Now he had still another dream, and related it to his brothers, and said, Behold I had still another dream; and lo, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me. He related it to his father and to his brothers and his father rebuked him and said to him, "What is this dream that you have had? Shall I and your mother and your brothers actually come to bow ourselves down to the ground before you? (Genesis 27:9-10).
The ten brothers of Joseph went down to buy grain from Egypt. But Jacob did not send Benjamin, the brother of Joseph, with his brothers, for he said, "I am afraid that harm may befall him." So the sons of Israel came to buy grain among those who were coming, for the famine was in the land of Canaan also. Now Joseph was the ruler over the land and he was the one who sold to all the people of the land. And Joseph's brothers came and bowed down to him with their faces to the ground. (Genesis 42:3-6).
When Joseph came home, they brought into the house to him the present which was in their hand and bowed to the ground before him. Then he asked them about their welfare, and said, "Is your old father well, of whom you spoke? Is he still living?" They said, "Your servant our father is well; he is still alive." They bowed down to the ground before him. (Genesis 43:26-28).
However one is not to "worship" anyone else as his God but our Jealous God.
You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down before them or serve them; for I, YAHWEH your God, am a jealous God.
(Exodus 20:4-5). (Leviticus 26:1).
You shall not bow down before their gods, nor serve them. (Exodus 23:24).
They have already turned away from the way that I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have bowed down before it and have sacrificed to it and said, `This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt.' (Exodus 32:8).
You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image or pillar, nor shall you place a figured stone in your land to bow down before it for I am YAHWEH your God.
Ruth "worships" Boaz
Then Ruth fell on her face, bowing to the ground and said to Boaz, 'Why have I found favor in your sight that you should take notice of me, since I am a foreigner?' (Ruth 2:10).
Abigail "worships" David's servants.
When the servants of David came to Abigail at Carmel, they said to her, 'David has sent us to you to take you as his wife.' She arose and bowed with her face to the ground and said, "Behold, your maidservant is a maid to wash the feet of my lord's servants. (1 Samuel 25:40-41).
Saul "worships" the dead man Samuel
And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground before him. (1 Samuel 28:14).
A man "worships" David
Now after the death of Saul, when David had returned from the slaughter of the Amalekites, that David remained two days in Ziklag. On the third day, behold, a man came out of the camp from Saul, with his clothes torn and dust on his head. And when he came to David that he fell to the ground and bowed down before him. (2 Samuel 1:1-2).
Mepibosheth, the son of Jonathan, "worships" David
And Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, came unto David, and fell on his face, and bowed down before him...And he bowed down before him, and said, What is your servant, that you should look upon such a dead dog as I am? . (2 Samuel 9:6-8).
A woman "worships" David
And when the woman of Tekoa spoke to the King, she fell on her face to the ground, and bowed down before him, and said, Help, O King.... And the King said to Joab, Behold now, I have done this thing. Go therefore, bring the young man Absalom back. And Joab fell to the ground on his face, and bowed down before him, and blessed the King
(2 Samuel 14:4).
The sons of the prophets "worship" Elisha
And when the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho over against him saw him, they said, 'The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.' And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him. (2 Kings 2:15).
David "worships" the Temple
But as for me, by the abundance of your lovingkindness I will come into your house. In your fear will I bow down before your holy temple. (Psalm 5:7).
2. The New Testament Testimony: proskyeno
King of Israel, King of the Jews.
Now the Magi also bowed down (proskyneo)before the man Jesus. And of course this was just as acceptable here as it was in the Old Testament. He was the King of the Jews. God promised David he would put his seed on the throne. In fact, we are explicitly told that this is why the Magi bowed down before Jesus. They came to "worship" the King of the Jews. The very fact that these Magi came to bow down before (proskyneo) the King of the Jews. They did not come to "worship" God as if these pagan men were the first Trinitarians.
They were non-Jewish pagan astrologers who had seen Jesus' star in the heavens. They came to bow down before, and to, a human baby, the King of the Jews, clearly demonstrating that this kind of proskyneo "worship" was very befitting human beings. In fact, it was Peter who first confessed that Jesus was the Son of the Living God, not the Magi, and so to presume they knew they were bowing down before God is just a bit ridiculous especially in light of the fact they were not looking for God but the human King of the Jews.
Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him. (Matthew 2:2)
When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come forth from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his Kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. (2 Samuel 7:12-14).
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end. (Luke 1:32-33).
Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel. (John 1:41).
And over his head they put his charge against him, which read, "This is Jesus the King of the Jews. (Matthew 27:37)
And Herod sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the child; and when you have found Him, report to me, so that I too may come and bow down before (proskyneo) Him." After hearing the King, they went their way and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy. After coming into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. (Matthew 2:8-11).
Why the Angels bow down to the risen Jesus.
The Trinitarian claim at Hebrews 1:6 is highly misleading. Jesus being a man was made a little lower than the angels but now this man has been exalted to the right hand of the throne of God and sits on his Father's throne (Rev 3:21). In this way, we are told that he had become better than the angels because he had inherited a better name than the angels (1:4). God doesn't become better than angels or inherit a better name than angels.
The reference here is to the resurrected man Jesus who is exalted above all angelic rule with all the angels subjected to him (1 Peter 3:22). Because he had loved righteousness God says to him, "God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your comrades," namely, the angels. Because the man Jesus had ascended to the throne of God, his positional authority was now over the angels and they were therefore commanded to bow down before Jesus in subjection to him.
At Hebrews 1:6, it is common for Trinitarians to claim that Jesus must be God because all the angels must bow down before him. But notice carefully what Hebrews chapter one is about. It is about Jesus exaltation to the right hand of the throne of God with all authority in heaven and earth, God having "made him Lord" (Acts 2:36), and that is why the angels are to bown down before him. (cf. Matthew 28:18; 1 Peter 3:22). They must bow down before him because he now has, in his risen glory, the authority of sitting on his Father's throne (Rev 3:21). The man Jesus, once positionally lower than the angels, is not positionally above the angels in terms of authority. And this is why they must bow down to him. Israel worshiped David and Solomon.
Observe how King David himself sat on the throne of YAHWEH and the people of Israel "worshiped" God and King David. This is the very same Hebrew and Greek word.
Then King David said to the entire assembly... Then David said to all the assembly, "Now bless YAHWEH your God." And all the assembly blessed YAHWEH, the God of their fathers, and bowed low and WORSHIPED (LXX proskyneo) YAHWEH and the King.... Then Solomon sat on the Throne of YAHWEH as King instead of David his father; and he prospered, and all Israel obeyed him. All the officials, the mighty men, and also all the sons of King David pledged allegiance to King Solomon. (1 Chronicles 29).
All Israel worshiped (proskyneo) both God and King David/Solomon. This is because David and Solomon sat on the "throne of YAHWEH." They were anointed to exercise Yahweh's authority over Israel just as the resurrected man Jesus was anointed to be over the angels (Heb 1:9). It should be clear to any reasonable person that the Greek word proskyneo was used to bow down in submission to any higher authority.
Jews worshiping the Philadelphian Christians.
At Revelation 3:9, Jesus uses the word proskyneo to refer to Jews worshiping Christians.
I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept my word, and have not denied My name. Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie--I will make them come and worship (proskyneo) at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.
Despite the overwhelming wealth of Scriptural information which shows the word proskyneo was not confined to worship of YAHWEH, Trinitarians continue to ignore the facts and continue to perpetuate a manufactured lie for the sake of Trinitarian propaganda.
Beany mane well written
alun williams It doesn't really matter, because even Adam "worked" (eved) the ground. It just means work, and we are to only work for God. In other words, "you cannot serve two masters". That doesn't mean that the word can't be used for general work that you do for your common bosses at your every day jobs, but we are held responsible to God above all.
In the same way, one can prostrate before or pay homage to or show obedience to various "lords" in their relative respects, but we truly have one God, and He is the Most High, the Almighty.
+alun williams (watchtoweralert1) -You can be fooled very easy, and you can believe anything you hear.
@JESUS is My LORD & My GOD--GET BEHIND ME
if we just read Scholarly articles- can you name those scholars and their articles. first Hebrews chapter 1 is talking about King Solomon -then it is not saying that king Solomon is GOD/DEITY/DEVINE- do you say that because you know that triniterians will ask you to explain how is it that king Solomon is being called GOD-is that why you clear that point ?
LOL yeah, it makes no sense whatsoever that the second Person of the Trinity would be made superior to the angels. The angels (and I am using trinitarian terminology here) exist in time; they are created, God the Son would have been superior to the angels from when they were first created.
Maybe they are saying God the Son in his human nature is made superior to the angels.
The IMAGE of God, so Jesus is an image. So to worship Jesus as God is image worship.
+anissueof ursincerity -it makes sense-if that son was not a son until HE became Human-and I doing so became inferior to angels. it is clear you miss that point.
JESUS is My LORD & My GOD I can understand that, however, ,in trinitarianism the second person of the Trinity is the Son and the Son is the eternal Son, so-eternal with the Father. Therefore if the pre-incarnate Son spoke for the Father or for the Godhead that would contradict Heb. 1 which says that God only recently spoke through a son.
anissueof ursincerity- It is not a triniterian invention that JESUS is ETERNAL-that is a Bible fact, you have to deny that-and believe that ETERNAL means something else-you don't say it-but your explain it your way.
Hebrews 1- GOD spoke in many more ways more- than Hebrews 1 says- do you realize that? GOD spoke through a donkey- GOD spoke through a little child-GOD used a bird many times- just because Hebrews 1 don't mention them- I am not suppose to believe-right ?
according to your view-that is exactly what I am suppose to do.
+JESUS is My LORD & My GOD --donkey--seems like youre making an ass of yourself
en the only point I want to add is
even IF Trinitarians will use god as to say Christ is called god so he is THE FATHER
well satan-moses-high priests were called gods but NEVER THE GOD ore THE LORD
GOD says to moses twice I will make you a god to pharaoh !!!!!!!!!
john 17:3 SAYS IT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sukruoosten Angels are also called "gods" (elohim) in Hebrews 2:7 / Psalm 8:5. So supposedly proving the alleged deity of Jesus doesn't even remotely begin to describe the trinity or its several sub-doctrines, especially not when the Most High God of Gods (Deuteronomy 10:17, Psalm 136:2) is identified by a name .
Doris Lessing
If Heb 2:11 is from Psalm 8:5,
Ps 8:5 says elohim. Elohim (gods) is being rendered angels.
anissueof ursincerity Yes, but as a trinitarian apologist would answer, thoose are lowercase "gods" and not the uppercase God, a fictitious distinction existing in the mind of trinitarian sholars only, since there is no such distinction in Hebrew. So even if you theoretically entertain the idea of a pre-existing, divine (elohim) Jesus, you're still not even close to proving the trinity, not by a long-shoot. And they never try to prove the trinity either, they to focused on the binity (the Son and the Father); the holy spirit is almost never mentioned. And there a reason trinitarian never debate binitarian even if they are equally heretical according to their doctrines.
anissueof ursincerity www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/Psalm8_5.html
+sukruoosten -GOD told Moses" I will make you LIKE GOD- your key word there is "LIKE" king David is said to be "LIKE" a angel of GOD. by what I read from you that wold make King David a angel-right ?
I notice how you anti triniterians never quote ORIGINAL GREEK scriptures -is because none of them agree with you ?
+JESUS is My LORD & My GOD Leave the Greek on the shelf for now. Go into the OT. Always deal with these sort of people from the HEBREW Scriptures, cause they are ignorant little children and they do not know how to contend with the Hebrew. Everyone knows the Greek. It's too easy. I can teach you what I know ... if you like.
and you got it wrong too friend.... If Yeshua is part of the Divinity as HE IS... then Yeshua could never went against the actual written word... Every and all references of the LAW in Hebrews and other Shaul writings is actually the ORAL Law - the added things that Rabies did to bring control in the common public. BUT THE TORAH IS FOREVER AND IF YOU LOVE THE MASHIACH YOU WILL FOLLOW THE LAW.
+Walter Pierluissi 7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” Romans 7.
written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2 Corinthians 3:3
Actually early original church was devoid of pagan man-god notion since JC and all Apostles were Pharisee Jews...who maintained all the laws and studied and quote Talmud..The original concept of the Jewish messiah is then and today is: messiah will be an ordinary man and not say he is messiah and from house of David( JC has no father). There will be no more war,sickness,jealousy ,hatred and all people on earth will know G-d is one and study Torah,the third temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem...I would ask when did even one of these requirements happen since JC!? Not one..so church invented second coming..Jewish Messiah was never to be a three god-man-spirit or be sacrificed for others sins...not in original pre Roman NT nor anywhere in original Hebrew bible period....you will find vague mentions in Christian version of old testament since early church changed Hebrew original to for tell JC s coming...I discovered these facts years ago and continue to find changes roman and English politicians made to original bible. Good luck..enjoy? PS Google roman church councils for a start...takes days to read them all..but you will be shocked if you are a Protestant how much catholic traditions you still follow...
John 17:5
Yes! And don't forget: John 17:22 (NASB95) “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
revelation 3:14 "And unto the angel of the church of laodiceans write, these saith the amen, the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD."(Jesus is the faithful and true witness, READ revelation 1:5) Jesus was created he is not God. john 1:1 talks about Jesus being created, he "was God" then was created. God is the father. the word can be replaced with adam in john 1:1 it would mean the same thing. so much ptoof Jesus was created he isnt God, his Father Yahweh is. CHECK MY VIDS FOR MORE PROOF
+Spiritual Food What? Are you really that dull-witted and simply that you can't read that, and know that the BEGINNING of the Creation of God is the one who actually CREATES!? It does not say that it is the ONE that was first Created (as your little mind has imagined), but that HE is at the very BEGINNING of ALL Creation. And who by GOD is there at the beginning? No angel was. You are sooooo very dense and spiritual bankrupt, you don't even know the GENESIS 1v1 says "in the BEGINNING, {{{GOD}}}}!!! The Gospel of John says the same thing, that in the beginning was the WORD, and the Word IS God". Good grief. Of you the Scriptures are clear - always learning but never coming to the Knowledge of Truth.
just a tip for anyone in here-the psalmist wrote under the inspiration of the holy spirit -he did not wrote his own words or opinions.
***** what you just said about triniterian adding their bias into the text is a old trick that fool fools
Kel you have never been a triniterian -you just say that to make your videos truthful.and prove that you are right.
+JESUS is My LORD & My GOD --who the heck are you to call Kel a liar?--get behind me--your channel has nothing on it--obviously you are a troll
this isn where you would establish a plural Godhead. so i like what you do here but your not complete. Jehovah Aleim. a Plural divinity
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
John 12 : 41
Isaiah actually saw Yahweh. so Yahshua is actually Yahweh in flesh.
You need to see the end of Isaiah 52 in the Septuagint. Isaiah saw Jesus' glory, as he saw it right before saying Isaiah 53:1. "YHWH of hosts" is the Father over and over without question, study it. You're calling Jesus the Father.
Isaiah 9:6
The son to be given will be called ETERNAL FATHER
Jenkins Sahayam "father of the age(s) to come". Abraham is a "father" also, no one thinks he's YHWH. It's also possible these names could be in reference to the "son's" God as people all through Scripture get names that honor God.
And you're avoiding the point of what you were corrected on(or at least shown new evidence). Not playing the game where I chase down and correct every mis-used proof-text by you.
+ droptozro , you correcting me, LOL. read the whole Bible than to interpret based on your preferences.
Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth as your father, there is One Father who is in Heaven.
If Isaiah 9:6 would mean a earthly father as you suppose, Jesus would be contradicting the prophesy then.
Luke 10:22
Matthew 11:27 no one knows the Son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the son and the one to whom the Son chooses to reveal.
John 16:23-26
Jesus tells his disciple that he was talking about the Father to them in a figurative sense and will tell them at an appropriate time.
john 14:5-10
To Thomas and Philip , He reveals that He is infact the Father and tells that whoever has seen Him has seen the Father.
in this aftermath after His resurrection Thomas recognized Him as My Lord, My God.
So Jesus is infact the Father in a visible Son .
the trinity in the old testament right here.
Isaiah 48:16“Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”
8. Heb. 1:8. The rendering, “God is your throne,” is nonsense-God is not a throne, he is the one who sits on the throne! Also, “God is your throne,” if taken to mean God is the source of one’s rule, could be said about any angelic ruler-but Hebrews 1 is arguing that Jesus is superior to the angels.
9. 2 Pet. 1:1. The same construction is used here as in Titus 2:13; see the parallel passages in 2 Pet. 1:11; 2:20; 3:2, 18. See comments above on Titus 2:13.
10. 1 John 5:20. Admittedly, biblical scholars are split on whether the “true God” in this text is the Father or the Son. Three considerations favor the Son. First, the closest antecedent for “this one” is Jesus Christ (“in his Son Jesus Christ. This one…”). Second, in 1:2 the “eternal life” is Jesus Christ (who was “with the Father”), an apparent example of inclusio (repetition of a theme or idea at the beginning and end of a text). Third, the confession form “This one is …” (houtos estin) strongly favors Jesus Christ, rather than the Father, as the subject, since John uses this language repeatedly with regard to Christ (John 1:30, 33, 34; 4:29, 42; 6:14, 42, 50, 58; 7:18, 25, 26, 40, 41; 1 John 5:6; of the man born blind, John 9:8, 9, 19, 20; of the disciple, John 21:24; of the anti-Christ, 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7), but not once for the Father. John has just used this formula for Christ earlier in the same chapter (1 John 5:6).
Revelation 3:9 I will make them come and WORSHIP before thy feet- the question is , WORSHIP WHO ? who do believers worship when they go to church ? does GOD move them to go to church to WORSHIP other believers? according to Kel-that is exactly what JESUS is talking about- sinners worshiping other sinners.
leads to infinite regress and logically concludes creation made creation. Your heretical interpretation is philosophically bankrupt
Trinity is all through the Old Testament. Scripture after Scripture. This old man is hellbound, and all who follow him will share his fate, for the blind lead the blind and BOTH fall into a ditch.
There were a lot of Christians who didn't believe in the Trinity before it was solidified as the majority view. What do you think about them? Are they in hell for not believing it? I mean this would include guys like Justin Martyr, Novatian, Origen, etc. They all ascribed a level of divine sonship to Jesus but they didn't conceive of God as 3 persons in 1 being which is what being Trinitarian is all about. They were technically Unitarians who believed the singular God had a powerful Son with divine power.
Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh (the Lord)
1. Rom. 10:9-13: Note the repeated “for” (gar), which links these verses closely together. The “Lord” of 10:13 (where kurios, “Lord,” translates the HebrewYahweh) must be the “Lord” of 10:9, 12.
2. Phil. 2:9-11. In context, the “name that is above every name” is “Lord” (vs. 11), i.e., Jehovah.
3. Heb. 1:10: Here God the Father addresses the Son as “Lord,” in a quotation from Ps. 102:25 (cf. 102:24, where the person addressed is called “God”). Since here the Father addresses the Son as “Lord,” this cannot be explained away as a text in which a creature addresses Christ as God/Lord in a merely representational sense.
4. 1 Pet. 2:3-4: This verse is nearly an exact quotation of Ps. 34:8a, where “Lord” is Jehovah. From 1 Pet. 2:4-8 it is also clear that “the Lord” in v. 3 is Jesus.
5. 1 Pet. 3:13-15: these verses are a clear reference to Is. 8:12-13, where the one who is to be regarded as holy is Jehovah.
6. Texts where Jesus is spoken of as the “one Lord” (cf. Deut. 6:4; Mark 12:29): 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:5; cf. Rom. 10:12; 1 Cor. 12:5.
7. Many other texts that call Jesus “Lord” do so in ways that equate him with Yahweh: Matt. 3:3, Mark 1:3, and Luke 3:4 (cf. Is. 40:3); Matt. 7:21-22 and Luke 6:46; Matt. 8:25 and 14:30 (cf. Ps. 118:25); Acts 1:24 (addressing the Lord Jesus [cf. v. 21] in prayer and attributing to him divine knowledge); 2:21 (cf. Joel 2:32), 36; 7:59-60; 8:25; 1 Cor. 1:2 (calling on the Lord), 8 (the day of the Lord) [etc.], 31 (cf. Jer. 9:23-24); 2:16 (cf. Is. 40:13); 4:4-5; 5:4 (gathering in the name of the Lord); 6:11; 7:17, 32-35 (devotion to the Lord); 10:21-22; etc.
Actually the Gardener/undertaker at the tomb was called kurios as well. I don't think Mary thought he was God. Actually kurios is often used of human superiors as well.