Impressed with the sword break, of course, but I just wanted to point out the badassery of saber 'n' buckler. The saber alone already provides excellent hand protection, but combined with the added defense given by the versatile angles of a center-grip shield, I imagine (lacking any sword sparring experience myself) that closing distance must be that much easier, no?
+MrManifolder Yep. Most people assume that the added hand protection added to hilts made the buckler redundant, but that really isn't the case. The buckler is still exceptionally useful with basket hilt or sabre too. Closing does become easier, but it also just allows a lot more coverage of protection, which is ideal because the leverage of the two handed sword allows for rapid changes of direction. Normally you would see more closing again than in this video. However the longsword here is a bit lighter and faster than it should really be for it's dimensions (for safety), and the user knows well enough to back off and maintain distance to try and stop this. Right after this break we replaced the sabre with a basket hilt and kept going, this video will be posted on Monday.
+RAI DEN No, the sabre lost 9" of the blade. Watch it again, as it cuts to the right arm of the longsword it breaks on impact and those 9" fly off camera.
Academy of Historical Fencing Okay i watched it in slowmo and just from the view it seems like something flew off of the two hander, i guess the bend in the two hander made it act like a spring and throw the blade tip.
+RAI DEN It might look like it came from the longsword simply because when the sabre broke it was striking the hand of the longsword user close to the guard of his sword. There was no bend at all, the sabre doesn't strike the longsword at all but the users hand.
+Merlinose For safety. The style of these training swords were what the Germans called federschwert, and were also more universally know as foils. A sword of the length in this video (about 40" blade and very long grip) would originally be around 2kg in total weight. The feder design removes a lot of the metal of the blade to reduce the blunt force trauma of impacts when training. They use a large flared schilt in front of the guard to help give them the balance and feel closer to a full weight sharp. The difference of every 100 grams in a blade is massive, for example there is often only 100 grams difference in weight between infantry and cavalry sabres, and yet they feel completely different. Some swords we use in the club are full original weight, like our sabres and rapiers. But the leverage and length of longswords like this, at the larger end of the scale, make them very dangerous at full weight.
+Academy of Historical Fencing Nor really. Especially the german longswords became much lighter in the 16th century. compare those for example with older longswords: hemareviews.blogspot.de/2013/09/16th-century-longswords.html With a heavy and short longsword you would not stand a chance against a rapier for example, so they became longer an lighter, they developed from war-weapons to fencing-weapons. The feder (Regenyei?) is therefor a good simulator for "das lange Schwert", but not for a Flamberg for example. But sad that it broke! Was it the light and flexible version, or isn´t it from Regenyei?
+Corellon666 Actually if you look at the stats on that very well collected list, they are almost all much heavier than the regenyei used here if you compare like for like size wise. The longsword in this video has a 40" blade (about 1010mm) and a very long hilt, almost all the swords on that list around that size weigh around 2kg.
+Academy of Historical Fencing Those in the Wallace collection for example, thats true, but those from germany (the first ones,measured by Zornhau) are mostly lighter. But it is correct, that the hilt is in most cases shorter, while the blade equals the lenght of the feder. Because of that the feder has a much better leverage. It´s always a question of the context. In an armored fight a rapier or a lighter longsword will not be very usefull, but in an unarmored duell there is no need for a heavy bladed longsword. Same thing with the Montante, that is also meant for fights against light or unarmored opponents. A slim and light blade makes allways sense, when there is no armor used. The rapier may be the best example for that, but other weapons also developed in that way. So the "old" longsword transformed to the "langes Schwert" on the one hand and the big "Schlachtschwert" on the other hand. Later the longsword disapered as a duellweapon and the rapier also transformed to smallswords and such stuff ;)
Why are Bucklers so flat..? I get the feeling they'd be easier to use if they had more of a bowl-shape, curved around the hand and wrist of the user for added protection from multiple angles. Great tools though, excellent to whack someone over the head with to settle an argument.
+Peter Timowreef They come in all shapes and sizes actually. You can indeed find domed (convex) ones like you describe, flat, concurve, square, diamond, all sorts. So many different ideas on what makes the perfect buckler. As for why you might not want a domed buckler - because a buckler is small and strikes could slide off and strike the arm that carries it. Also because by making it flat the edge can connect with the opponents sword further from your arm/body. Different people favour different shapes, but there is only a minor difference in using one over the other. I find flat rims to be preferable.
Academy of Historical Fencing "because a buckler is small and strikes could slide off and strike the arm that carries it. Also because by making it flat the edge can connect with the opponents sword further from your arm/body" Aah now see that's exactly the information I was looking for, that makes perfect sense. I was thinking maybe you could use a domed one all skillful like but no. All you should really be interested in is keeping enemy sharp objects as far away from your soft parts as possible. I meet so many people who talk out their ass all day (not saying I'm not one of them), it's always a treat to talk to someone who's not.
+Peter Timowreef No problem. You will always find people that favour different shapes, sizes and grips of bucklers. The model Scott Brown has developed for example is a dome shape. I have used a great variety, but never a convex one, as I have not found a good reproduction. Of course another strength of the concurve dome is that it will be incredibly strong for its weight.
Is the longsword fencer avoiding passing out of courtesy for the saberist or is the constant advancing for some other reason? Even to an enexperienced eye it seems like his reach and ability to alternate/wind different lines of attack is restricted by that kind of footwork...
+Killery96 He doesn't pass because he is experienced at facing this scenario. It is much easier to close against a longswordsman using passing steps, and the longsword has a huge disadvantage in this scenario at close measure.
I hadn't considered that, thanks for clarifying. I suppose a lot of the binding and winding techniques central to Longsword in close measure won't succeed as well against Saber?
+Killery96 Exactly, the sabre will favour that as the rotational ripostes from a bind are so much easier and faster. You will find that some weapons cause style to change. For example, single rapier emphasises blade contact and domination, but against a longsword it does not have to leverage to do so. This is why it is essential to practice against a range of weapons and styles rather than always matched pairs.
The 'Nooooooo!' was so tragic-sounding, it needed a slow motion reply with sad violin :')
I guess it was sword owners voice :D
Impressed with the sword break, of course, but I just wanted to point out the badassery of saber 'n' buckler. The saber alone already provides excellent hand protection, but combined with the added defense given by the versatile angles of a center-grip shield, I imagine (lacking any sword sparring experience myself) that closing distance must be that much easier, no?
+MrManifolder Yep. Most people assume that the added hand protection added to hilts made the buckler redundant, but that really isn't the case. The buckler is still exceptionally useful with basket hilt or sabre too. Closing does become easier, but it also just allows a lot more coverage of protection, which is ideal because the leverage of the two handed sword allows for rapid changes of direction. Normally you would see more closing again than in this video. However the longsword here is a bit lighter and faster than it should really be for it's dimensions (for safety), and the user knows well enough to back off and maintain distance to try and stop this.
Right after this break we replaced the sabre with a basket hilt and kept going, this video will be posted on Monday.
Super cool you were able to capture that, also great mixed weapon spar, always enjoy your vids!! You guys are an inspiration
+Ian McLean Feels good to be an inspiration :), thank you
Bro literally shattered the blade
And thus a new legend is born.
It's a spadroon now
Nooooo! R.I.P dear sabre you will be missed. (╯︵╰,)
+Roderik Vikström I believe it was the Two hander that broke... the saber looks fine... i might be wrong though.
RAI DEN Pretty sure it is the saber friend :)
+RAI DEN No, the sabre lost 9" of the blade. Watch it again, as it cuts to the right arm of the longsword it breaks on impact and those 9" fly off camera.
Academy of Historical Fencing Okay i watched it in slowmo and just from the view it seems like something flew off of the two hander, i guess the bend in the two hander made it act like a spring and throw the blade tip.
+RAI DEN It might look like it came from the longsword simply because when the sabre broke it was striking the hand of the longsword user close to the guard of his sword. There was no bend at all, the sabre doesn't strike the longsword at all but the users hand.
That... Actually happens, huh.
How metal do you have to be to break a two-hander with a saber?
+Havoc Jaeger never understand why the training two handers are so thin, little bit more material would be...good?
+Merlinose For safety. The style of these training swords were what the Germans called federschwert, and were also more universally know as foils. A sword of the length in this video (about 40" blade and very long grip) would originally be around 2kg in total weight. The feder design removes a lot of the metal of the blade to reduce the blunt force trauma of impacts when training. They use a large flared schilt in front of the guard to help give them the balance and feel closer to a full weight sharp.
The difference of every 100 grams in a blade is massive, for example there is often only 100 grams difference in weight between infantry and cavalry sabres, and yet they feel completely different. Some swords we use in the club are full original weight, like our sabres and rapiers. But the leverage and length of longswords like this, at the larger end of the scale, make them very dangerous at full weight.
+Academy of Historical Fencing
Nor really. Especially the german longswords became much lighter in the 16th century. compare those for example with older longswords: hemareviews.blogspot.de/2013/09/16th-century-longswords.html
With a heavy and short longsword you would not stand a chance against a rapier for example, so they became longer an lighter, they developed from war-weapons to fencing-weapons. The feder (Regenyei?) is therefor a good simulator for "das lange Schwert", but not for a Flamberg for example.
But sad that it broke! Was it the light and flexible version, or isn´t it from Regenyei?
+Corellon666 Actually if you look at the stats on that very well collected list, they are almost all much heavier than the regenyei used here if you compare like for like size wise. The longsword in this video has a 40" blade (about 1010mm) and a very long hilt, almost all the swords on that list around that size weigh around 2kg.
+Academy of Historical Fencing
Those in the Wallace collection for example, thats true, but those from germany (the first ones,measured by Zornhau) are mostly lighter. But it is correct, that the hilt is in most cases shorter, while the blade equals the lenght of the feder. Because of that the feder has a much better leverage. It´s always a question of the context. In an armored fight a rapier or a lighter longsword will not be very usefull, but in an unarmored duell there is no need for a heavy bladed longsword. Same thing with the Montante, that is also meant for fights against light or unarmored opponents. A slim and light blade makes allways sense, when there is no armor used. The rapier may be the best example for that, but other weapons also developed in that way. So the "old" longsword transformed to the "langes Schwert" on the one hand and the big "Schlachtschwert" on the other hand. Later the longsword disapered as a duellweapon and the rapier also transformed to smallswords and such stuff ;)
Lol "Nooooo!"
Why are Bucklers so flat..? I get the feeling they'd be easier to use if they had more of a bowl-shape, curved around the hand and wrist of the user for added protection from multiple angles.
Great tools though, excellent to whack someone over the head with to settle an argument.
+Peter Timowreef They come in all shapes and sizes actually. You can indeed find domed (convex) ones like you describe, flat, concurve, square, diamond, all sorts. So many different ideas on what makes the perfect buckler.
As for why you might not want a domed buckler - because a buckler is small and strikes could slide off and strike the arm that carries it. Also because by making it flat the edge can connect with the opponents sword further from your arm/body.
Different people favour different shapes, but there is only a minor difference in using one over the other. I find flat rims to be preferable.
Academy of Historical Fencing
"because a buckler is small and strikes could slide off and strike the arm that carries it. Also because by making it flat the edge can connect with the opponents sword further from your arm/body"
Aah now see that's exactly the information I was looking for, that makes perfect sense. I was thinking maybe you could use a domed one all skillful like but no. All you should really be interested in is keeping enemy sharp objects as far away from your soft parts as possible.
I meet so many people who talk out their ass all day (not saying I'm not one of them), it's always a treat to talk to someone who's not.
+Peter Timowreef No problem. You will always find people that favour different shapes, sizes and grips of bucklers. The model Scott Brown has developed for example is a dome shape. I have used a great variety, but never a convex one, as I have not found a good reproduction.
Of course another strength of the concurve dome is that it will be incredibly strong for its weight.
Is the longsword fencer avoiding passing out of courtesy for the saberist or is the constant advancing for some other reason? Even to an enexperienced eye it seems like his reach and ability to alternate/wind different lines of attack is restricted by that kind of footwork...
+Killery96 He doesn't pass because he is experienced at facing this scenario. It is much easier to close against a longswordsman using passing steps, and the longsword has a huge disadvantage in this scenario at close measure.
I hadn't considered that, thanks for clarifying. I suppose a lot of the binding and winding techniques central to Longsword in close measure won't succeed as well against Saber?
+Killery96 Exactly, the sabre will favour that as the rotational ripostes from a bind are so much easier and faster. You will find that some weapons cause style to change. For example, single rapier emphasises blade contact and domination, but against a longsword it does not have to leverage to do so. This is why it is essential to practice against a range of weapons and styles rather than always matched pairs.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing next get a eskrima guy to ur place
What;s about that eagle on o clothes? Looks like polish coat of arms
+1Niebieskooki1 The fencer to the left is indeed, Polish.
+1Niebieskooki1 Zawsze walczę z orzełkiem na ramieniu.
Was that skallagrim who yelled no ?
Don't think so
+darkwizard225 m Skallagrim would've just yelled "Niiice!"