Well, it very satisfaying to read honest and real comments. This is really important, first , you admit the problem, then you work your way to fix it. Thanks to all of you ! Stay safe !!!
I keep waiting for someone to show shooters how to fix it. Lots of ways to identify that pre ignition push, flinch, jerk, but most instructors seem to say "OK there it is, now don't do it." Here's some suggestions for someone who came here looking for a solution. Double up on ear pro, focus on the target, notice your sights... but they should be somewhat fuzzy but balanced (remember were trying to fix the flinch... we'll get back to sights after we stop flinching) Total focus on watching for the round to hit the target. Concentrate on nothing but keeping your eyes open and focused on seeing the round hit the target. If you're in door you should see/ notice muzzle flash. From what I've seen most folks flinch because of the natural human self defense reaction of blinking and trying to stop recoil before it happens. No disrespect meant but instructors need to focus more on the correction than the identification of the flinch. Now that you don't flinch anymore, go back to watching your sights...
Ive had a few different solutions to this that works for some people. One some use is to shoot smaller calibers like 22. for a little while to get back to not expecting the recoil and try to counteract it. another I use is to really focus on the trigger dicipline, squeezing slowly slowly, kinda exaggerate the slowness just to get the perfect trigger pull, dont care about where on the target your bullet goes, just focus on the trigger being pulled correctly, then you got to get that into your muscle memory and start tightening up your groups
Only fix is to keep shooting and ensuring that your focus is on not anticipating. I’ve seen that dry firing really helps in tricking the brain to not anticipate the recoil. You’ve basically got to rewire your brain, and doing so is just going to take some (a lot) of reps.
You can also use dummy rounds/snap caps. Some instructors load one or more into a magazine. This is harder to anticipate. Something else is you could take an old magazine and remove the slide catch from the follower. Then load a few rounds. After you fire the last one you'll get the same effect.
Good quality video. What is interesting is that he notes that 'the monsters come out' even when you know that second shot is an empty chamber. This is consistent with research done in classical conditioning (behavior science). This exercise will show you the problem but won't necessarily fix it.
I know this video is several years old. I watched it last night and tried this drill at the range today. Immediately showed just how bad I was flinching at trigger pull. Now to continue to utilize this drill and fix that dip. Thanks for the great information.
I live in New hampshire, and would love to take a class there. I have been trying to work on pistol shooting for years, and i can't seem to tame my shots. I went as far as to buy a 1911-22 and train with that and then bought a emperor scorpion 1911. i am great one day and crap the next. I will try this drill next time i am out.
Good video, there are lots of good ways to identify if someone is anticipating the recoil, the video method works, dummy rounds work etc. What we don't see nearly enough of though is ways to stop anticipating the recoil. In fact many videos/articles etc. make it sound like these drills themselves will stop the behavior and that's just silly. All these drills can do is identify if it's happening. It's the same thing as you see hundreds of videos about grip, but the real key to controlling muzzle flip is locking the wrists out and there's very little that even mentions that and almost none that try and talk about how to train to do it.
Try this with a revolver. Load your revolver with 5 live rounds and one spent casing. Give it a spin and close the cylinder. When you get to the empty casing any flinch you have will be evident real quick. In my opinion its easy to correct for something when you know its coming and can anticipate it. Its when you dont know is when you can really learn .
Buy (or test) a revolver with a good trigger to see the difference. I own a Walther Q4 SF and hits go all over a target… Well, unless I somehow “forget” to flinch. Then I went to a shooting range to test magnum .357 out of a S&W 686. In SA mode all hits were 10 because of trigger crispness and extremely short travel. I even purchased a Mantis X3. In dry fire I still pull down. Have no idea so far how to eliminate this pull down…
I guess snap caps it is for me. My Glocks always have fte's without a magazine. The empty casing always gets stuck in the slide and prevents it from closing. Maybe they need the magazine follower to help kick em out?
I have found flinching is more of a problem with double action with the longer pull. Need to address this as most of the pistols carried these days are double action.
@@josearalat I have a g2c and I really like it. I also have Sccy 2 and it's the longest, hardest trigger pull I've ever shot and it really bitch slaps your hands. Bought a cheap rubber grip on ebay meant for glocks for about $4 and now I love it. The point is this Sccy is so hard to shoot with the long hard pull I figure once I get this one down I can shoot anything and it's fun to shoot.
I have that problem with low and left hits but only when I'm firing fast like when shooting idpa. If I'm firing slow, I can hit center all day long. How do you fix that?
I have read (Chris Sajnog) that it could be your natural point of aim is off. I found that to be my issue. Your stance isn't centered on target so that the recoil moves gun off center, if you fire before you recover back to center, it will be off, but shooting slower, you have chance to recover your aim. Check out his "Do you shoot low and left?" Mentions 3 reasons. Basically after you line up on target, close your eyes for a moment, then open them. If you are offline, where you are now pointing is your natural point of aim (POA), and how to adjust to it. Otherwise, recoil is throwing you off center, and quick follow up shot will hit where your POA is because you didn't have time to recover aim back to center.
repeat that shit enough times it becomes muscle memory and then some dude burgles ur house and u only put one round in and put the magazine back in the nightstand hahaha
dry practice - perfect slow press - so the front sight doesn't jiggle as the trigger breaks. press slow, perfectly. as you succeed, you can compress the press. if your sight moves, go back to slow. eventually you will build muscle memory in your hand and you can snap the trigger with no movement of the sight. good luck.
Exactly, this seems like a kind of pointless exercise since you know there's no round. Try loading up a few snap caps or randomly loading 4 out of 6 rounds into a revolver, something to make it where you won't know if there's a live round coming up or not
Hey guys! While low and left Can be an anticipation problem, more than likely it’s actually a grip problem. Squeeze that main hand’s fingers MUCH tighter around the pistol’s grip to fix shooting low. To fix left, your support hand needs to be fully against the gun/main hand. Look at the bottom of your support hand next time you go shooting. Odds are there’s a gap.
Keep a dethlok grip, arms straight and locked (4get about Weaver), EYES on front sight and blast away. Simple. Works everytime. Now, can you anticipate a self defense scenario were you can duplicate? Of course not.
A much better drill is to have a friend give you the gun racked and ready to shoot but without telling you if there is a round in the chamber. Maybe there is a round maybe there isn't but you won't know.... however you will know if you're a flincher when dry firing, which is reflected as a slight push downward and left, miloseconds before the trigger is pulled all the way in anticipation to the explosive "bang" and muzzle flip/recoil. Do this exercise as many times as is takes until you're able to pull the trigger all the way without flinching. Your accuracy will improve considerably.
The problem, which is flinching in anticipation of the "bang", will eventually go away if you practice while concentrating not to move before pulling the trigger. Flinchers tend to push down and left milliseconds before the cartridge is fired. A much better drill is to have a friend give you the gun racked and ready but without telling you if there is a live round in the chamber. Now pull the trigger and observe what movements you make in anticipation of the "bang" and while being surprised that there was no round in the chamber.
There's no way to sugar coat this, and no need to - your muzzle is sweeping high and sweeping to the left. If I were the RSO, I would have already had a word with you about it.
Well, it very satisfaying to read honest and real comments. This is really important, first , you admit the problem, then you work your way to fix it. Thanks to all of you ! Stay safe !!!
I keep waiting for someone to show shooters how to fix it. Lots of ways to identify that pre ignition push, flinch, jerk, but most instructors seem to say "OK there it is, now don't do it." Here's some suggestions for someone who came here looking for a solution. Double up on ear pro, focus on the target, notice your sights... but they should be somewhat fuzzy but balanced (remember were trying to fix the flinch... we'll get back to sights after we stop flinching) Total focus on watching for the round to hit the target. Concentrate on nothing but keeping your eyes open and focused on seeing the round hit the target. If you're in door you should see/ notice muzzle flash. From what I've seen most folks flinch because of the natural human self defense reaction of blinking and trying to stop recoil before it happens. No disrespect meant but instructors need to focus more on the correction than the identification of the flinch. Now that you don't flinch anymore, go back to watching your sights...
Ive had a few different solutions to this that works for some people. One some use is to shoot smaller calibers like 22. for a little while to get back to not expecting the recoil and try to counteract it. another I use is to really focus on the trigger dicipline, squeezing slowly slowly, kinda exaggerate the slowness just to get the perfect trigger pull, dont care about where on the target your bullet goes, just focus on the trigger being pulled correctly, then you got to get that into your muscle memory and start tightening up your groups
Well said. I keep waiting for someone to help with the actual fix.
Only fix is to keep shooting and ensuring that your focus is on not anticipating. I’ve seen that dry firing really helps in tricking the brain to not anticipate the recoil. You’ve basically got to rewire your brain, and doing so is just going to take some (a lot) of reps.
Target focus is actually superior most of the time.
You can also use dummy rounds/snap caps. Some instructors load one or more into a magazine. This is harder to anticipate. Something else is you could take an old magazine and remove the slide catch from the follower. Then load a few rounds. After you fire the last one you'll get the same effect.
Good idea. It would have been helpful to see some beginners who evidenced a problem. Your dry-fires were perfect.
Good quality video. What is interesting is that he notes that 'the monsters come out' even when you know that second shot is an empty chamber. This is consistent with research done in classical conditioning (behavior science). This exercise will show you the problem but won't necessarily fix it.
Excellent drill. Shows the shooter a problem they cannot argue against. Well thought. Thank you. I have subscribed.
I know this video is several years old. I watched it last night and tried this drill at the range today. Immediately showed just how bad I was flinching at trigger pull. Now to continue to utilize this drill and fix that dip. Thanks for the great information.
Good drill ! Just got back into shooting after a 10 year break.
I live in New hampshire, and would love to take a class there. I have been trying to work on pistol shooting for years, and i can't seem to tame my shots. I went as far as to buy a 1911-22 and train with that and then bought a emperor scorpion 1911. i am great one day and crap the next. I will try this drill next time i am out.
Great tip. Also more short discussion on front site focus and dominant eye.
Excellent tutorial. Thank you.
Good video, there are lots of good ways to identify if someone is anticipating the recoil, the video method works, dummy rounds work etc. What we don't see nearly enough of though is ways to stop anticipating the recoil. In fact many videos/articles etc. make it sound like these drills themselves will stop the behavior and that's just silly. All these drills can do is identify if it's happening. It's the same thing as you see hundreds of videos about grip, but the real key to controlling muzzle flip is locking the wrists out and there's very little that even mentions that and almost none that try and talk about how to train to do it.
This is a great drill, thank you for sharing!
Now, if you DO have a flinch, or you speed it up, how do you fix it?
Try this with a revolver. Load your revolver with 5 live rounds and one spent casing. Give it a spin and close the cylinder. When you get to the empty casing any flinch you have will be evident real quick. In my opinion its easy to correct for something when you know its coming and can anticipate it. Its when you dont know is when you can really learn .
I use Field and Stream ammo. I can see myself flinching cause half the time the ammo don't work.
Lol
Could also use snap caps somewhere in your mags so you dont anticipate it coming.
good idea,, i have a problem with flinch once ina while,,,
Buy (or test) a revolver with a good trigger to see the difference. I own a Walther Q4 SF and hits go all over a target… Well, unless I somehow “forget” to flinch.
Then I went to a shooting range to test magnum .357 out of a S&W 686. In SA mode all hits were 10 because of trigger crispness and extremely short travel. I even purchased a Mantis X3. In dry fire I still pull down.
Have no idea so far how to eliminate this pull down…
I guess snap caps it is for me. My Glocks always have fte's without a magazine. The empty casing always gets stuck in the slide and prevents it from closing. Maybe they need the magazine follower to help kick em out?
I have found flinching is more of a problem with double action with
the longer pull. Need to address this as most of the pistols carried these days are double action.
Agree. It happens to me more noticeable when I fire my Taurus G2c with it's long trigger pull.
@@josearalat I have a g2c and I really like it. I also have Sccy 2 and it's the longest, hardest trigger pull I've ever shot and it really bitch slaps your hands. Bought a cheap rubber grip on ebay meant for glocks for about $4 and now I love it. The point is this Sccy is so hard to shoot with the long hard pull I figure once I get this one down I can shoot anything and it's fun to shoot.
I have that problem with low and left hits but only when I'm firing fast like when shooting idpa. If I'm firing slow, I can hit center all day long. How do you fix that?
I have read (Chris Sajnog) that it could be your natural point of aim is off. I found that to be my issue. Your stance isn't centered on target so that the recoil moves gun off center, if you fire before you recover back to center, it will be off, but shooting slower, you have chance to recover your aim. Check out his "Do you shoot low and left?" Mentions 3 reasons. Basically after you line up on target, close your eyes for a moment, then open them. If you are offline, where you are now pointing is your natural point of aim (POA), and how to adjust to it. Otherwise, recoil is throwing you off center, and quick follow up shot will hit where your POA is because you didn't have time to recover aim back to center.
what hear protection he wears?
Is that pistol a 40 CAL?? BB
Very helpful. Outstanding video.
repeat that shit enough times it becomes muscle memory and then some dude burgles ur house and u only put one round in and put the magazine back in the nightstand hahaha
Why would anyone flinch with no round in the chamber?
I know I'm doing this wrong but I don't know what to do about it.
dry practice - perfect slow press - so the front sight doesn't jiggle as the trigger breaks. press slow, perfectly. as you succeed, you can compress the press. if your sight moves, go back to slow. eventually you will build muscle memory in your hand and you can snap the trigger with no movement of the sight. good luck.
When I mentally know there's no round I never flinch.
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Exactly, this seems like a kind of pointless exercise since you know there's no round. Try loading up a few snap caps or randomly loading 4 out of 6 rounds into a revolver, something to make it where you won't know if there's a live round coming up or not
Hey guys! While low and left Can be an anticipation problem, more than likely it’s actually a grip problem. Squeeze that main hand’s fingers MUCH tighter around the pistol’s grip to fix shooting low. To fix left, your support hand needs to be fully against the gun/main hand. Look at the bottom of your support hand next time you go shooting. Odds are there’s a gap.
The whole idea to preventing flinching is to pull the trigger and fire the gun as if it were empty.
Keep a dethlok grip, arms straight and locked (4get about Weaver), EYES on front sight and blast away. Simple. Works everytime. Now, can you anticipate a self defense scenario were you can duplicate? Of course not.
I think 40 yards is a bit much.
I saw no monsters under his ammo can
A much better drill is to have a friend give you the gun racked and ready to shoot but without telling you if there is a round in the chamber. Maybe there is a round maybe there isn't but you won't know.... however you will know if you're a flincher when dry firing, which is reflected as a slight push downward and left, miloseconds before the trigger is pulled all the way in anticipation to the explosive "bang" and muzzle flip/recoil.
Do this exercise as many times as is takes until you're able to pull the trigger all the way without flinching. Your accuracy will improve considerably.
most of my guns won't fire without the mag
This shows the monsters, but no way to fix it. Soooo how do you fix it?
Slow down and focus on your fundamentals
The problem, which is flinching in anticipation of the "bang", will eventually go away if you practice while concentrating not to move before pulling the trigger. Flinchers tend to push down and left milliseconds before the cartridge is fired.
A much better drill is to have a friend give you the gun racked and ready but without telling you if there is a live round in the chamber. Now pull the trigger and observe what movements you make in anticipation of the "bang" and while being surprised that there was no round in the chamber.
That intro song sounded suspiciously like Too Many Hands by the Eagles.
I am sure this is a great drill, but no information on how to actually fix the problem.
Try not to fire a round before you can control a trigger. Rifle or pistol. But? There is no money in personal responsibility
There's no way to sugar coat this, and no need to - your muzzle is sweeping high and sweeping to the left. If I were the RSO, I would have already had a word with you about it.