Revisiting The Worst Trade in Modern Baseball History Two Years Later
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Apologies for the mouth breathing guys. Recorded this mid-bout with seasonal allergies. Next time I’ll make sure to take some medicine before recording so I don’t sound like a caveman lol. Have a great night all!
Lol it’s fine
Mouth breathing or not this was really interesting. Thanks for the vid
i have seasonal allergies too and it sucks man its fine i can barely breathe while sleeping atleast you can commentate
I hear ya. Oregon is moldy. I take Zyrtec everyday to combat it.
I tryd breathin out my ass once lol ain’t work
Bro said "St. Louie"💀
Over and over again.
Nelly is proud
wild how he got” Spokane” right but not “St. Louis”
Meet me in St. Louis, Louie, meet me at the Fair...
@senororlando2 that's how some innst louis say it
Rockies owner said he thinks they have a legit shot of going .500 this year lol
Us Rockies fans can dream
Rockies Fans in perpetual turmoil..
Imagine .500 baseball being your ceiling. Being a Rockies fan is pure masochism 🤣
Maybe .350 at best
Imagine saying that when you have to play the Dodgers and Padres so much, as a well as a mediocre Giants team and an underrated Diamondbacks team. Rockies will almost most likely end up dead last in their division
It’s crazy cause Arenado really didn’t want to leave the Rockies they just refused to build a winning team around him
What's even worse is that there WAS a winning team around him until they willingly let all of them leave. Absolute clown show. I went to the ASG in Coors a couple years ago and Nolan got like a 20-minute standing ovation just for being thrown out at first. Rockies fans love him and he loves the Rockies fanbase.
such a thin line between refusing to build a winning team around him and being too incompetent to do so.
@@moaf2padventures757 there’s incompetence, and then there’s the Rockies. A normal team would trade a 36 years old reliever having a surprising great season on expiring contract to a contender for asset to build for the future at the trade deadline. An incompetent team would have traded for poor return or not at all. The Rockies chose to EXTEND Daniel Bard for 2 more years … they’re not contending for the next 2 years and relievers are the most volatile position in the game, let alone an aging one. Why??? I don’t get this team.
The rockies having talented young players and refusing to build around them or attempt to make the team contend? Color me surprised.
-20 year rockies fan
The Rockies refuse to build s winning team. Any success they have is purely by chance.
Some context for that 2020 season, it's been suggested that Arenado spent most of that shortened season playing through a pretty nasty shoulder injury. Which would explain a lot of his lower numbers.
That and it was you know, 60 games
If he gets a pass, but people don't give Machado the same credit after his nasty ankle Injury in June 2022, where he mostly played through it, still put up great numbers, and out performed arenado in his "best WAR season to date" then I just don't know anymore
Legit surprised the name 'Kris Bryant' wasn't mentioned at all. I think that signing makes the trade even worse because you can't even claim 'salary dump' to justify the shit return when you turn around and pay big money to a lesser third baseman a year later.
Acquiring “arenado at home” when you literally already had arenado at home
The Rockies front office is THE worst in baseball!
I live in constant pain and disappointment as a rockies fan
And us pirates fans. It feels like a 40 year old man living in his moms basement bad
And as a cardinals I am eternally grateful for the Rockies cheapness and ineptitude
@Mopac 82 if the rockies were halfway intelligent, they'd have traded for Paul Goldschmidt
Same
You and me both
The Arenado and Goldschmidt trades I would consider to be "heists" rather than trades. Especially after Goldy just won NL MVP last year.
What's a little odd about the Goldschmidt trade is that every single player from that trade made the big leagues, but none of them have been great. Luke Weaver and Carson Kelly looked to be the best receptions from that haul, but Weaver struggled with injury and consistency and is now on the Royals (and not doing so hot) while Kelly just had his first major injury cause his starting role to be supplanted by Gabriel Moreno's hot start (who himself was received in a notable deal, but notable for how it looks like an excellent decision for the Diamondbacks). Andrew Young didn't truly pan out, he hit the ball really hard but is now out of the league entirely. The Diamondbacks also received a competitive balance round B pick with the trade (more on that soon).
Overall, the biggest Diamondbacks benefit in the long run has been that 1B was cleared up for Christian Walker, who has been an excellent producer with the bat plus being far and away the best defensive first baseman in the league. He's so good defensively that he's the only first baseman in the top 50 of Outs Above Average last year (and has put up excellent career metrics), and more than doubled the second place 1B in that leaderboard.
Also, it's really early to tell for sure, but Dominic Fletcher, who the Diamondbacks selected with that Competitive Balance B pick they received, has looked really good in his first couple weeks with the team. Even when he regresses to the mean, Fletcher stands to have good league potential to stick around.
The aggregate WAR of Goldschmidt in his STL years is 20.2 and counting. The Diamondbacks trade return gave them 6.5 and counting, but if you add in Christian Walker it becomes 16.5. So it's a heist as far as prospects are concerned unless Kelly and Fletcher start putting up big numbers, but Walker has done a better job than most could have done as a Goldy replacement. As a Diamondbacks fan I'd rather see Paul here still, but everyone's production coming together has made a bad trade more bearable.
This is the trade that convinced me that Major League Baseball is just a money laundering front.
Dodgers, Yankees and 28 glorified farm teams
@@gregoryfilar1783 lmao. Mets? Red Sox?
I still think the main reason the Rockies traded Nolan was because they expected him to opt out so it appeared to the fans that he left and they tried to keep him. However, the pandemic financially crunched teams and Nolan likely pressured Rockies management that would indeed not opt out. So they traded him so they wouldn't have to pay him if he stayed. Unfortunately, the Rockies care more about their public image than winning games
Yeah this video completely ignored that he was leaving whether they traded him or not. All the other teams knew this and had no reason to offer any star players for him.
@@ryryshredder148 the Rockies were the party that pushed for the opt-out not Nolan
@ryryshredder148 Honestly that wasn't really the case. They made the playoffs in 2017 and 2018, and 2020 was just wierd for everyone. They still had enough talent to build a winning team before 2021. They had a great rotation with Freeland, Marquez, Gray, and Senzatela, Arenado, story, Blackmon, and a couple promising talents in McMahon, Rodgers, and Lambert. Not all of them worked out obviously, but at the time they were still promising. The rockies also run a huge payroll for a midmarket team, so they could have spent more than they did (owners were doing fine, but the only way to be a billionare is to be a criminal so it's not surprising they all lied I guess). The point is the rockies were at a point where they could absolutely still turn it around if they had wanted to.
If money was the reason they traded him why did they give $51 mil
@@jackdaniels2134 $240 million left on the deal at the time is a lot more than $51 million.
“Saint Lou-E”
real
For real! His incorrect pronunciation was more distracting to me than any sound recording or allergy issues. It's pronounced like Lewis, not like Louie.
@@JobiWan144 or at least if you say Louie, then preface it with "San" so it sounds super french
Great video. One small thing-I enjoy Abbott and Costello as much as the next guy, and I realize he was French, but the city the Cards play in is St. Louis, not St. Louie.
I think he’s referencing Nelly (I’m from stl) I know a lot of people here say st louie but not sure how much out of the state
@@Christopher-taysoit’s literally a nationwide nickname. Ppl are just comin in the comments to try and be the smartest person in the room but it make em look dumb as hell
Dude, the microphone work + heavy breathing really took away from the listening experience.
Gotta(deep breath )agree
It isn’t even bad
Audio compression. Noise Gaye is supposed to be apart for the vocal chain so the breath etc isn't boosted y the compression. But even worse, I think they hit the "Normalize Peaks) button in their editing software smh 🤦
rough microphone work lol.
Be hearing an inhale every 3 seconds
It’s not even bad
lol I was like damn this inhaling is wild. lemme check the comments and see if it’s just me
he's trying to speak as fast as possible
It's free content on RUclips. I can deal with it
awesome vid. repeated gasping killed it for me.
I would still say Yordan Alvarez for Josh Fields is the worst modern trade
Fields still played quite a bit for the Dodgers. And given the Dodgers’ penchant for developing pitcher talent, I think they believed they would do the same for him. Instead, he regressed hard, while the younger Yordan thrived. Lopsided for sure, but not really comparable to the complete non-starters of this trade.
Definitely extremely lopsided, same with the Shields and Tatis trade, but I don't judge prospect trades like that as harshly since they're all a big question mark. Arenado was already a proven mvp caliber player and has only continued to do so
Slow down a bit too, and add some background music or pump it up to cut some of the breathing or distracting noise.
"rockies in a rebuilding phase"
they've been in the rebuilding phase since 2007
“St Louie” Cardinals 😂
This man really just said Saint Looy instead of St Lewis, idk why that through me so off haha
Sure, the Arenado trade might have been one of the worst trades in modern baseball, but for me, when I think about the worst trades in modern baseball, the Chris Archer trade is the first thing that comes to mind. Such a bad trade, and to make matters worse, he currently plays for the rays, which was the team who traded him to the pirates!
Arenado trade is way worse
@@mjisthegoat88 Yeah I absolutely agree, and I never said that the Archer trade was worse, but I find it hilarious, especially when Archer went back to Tampa Bay.
@@mjisthegoat88 idk about that one dude. Archer was complete garbage for the pirates and ended up back on the rays anyway. Glasnow is an ace, Shane baz looked like a potential ace and Austin meadows did have 2 very good seasons for the rays before he got traded and who knows how that will work out. All of them were under team control for at least what 4 or 5 years? And archer only 2 if I remember correctly. If it weren’t for glasnow and baz ending up with tommy John that is probably the worst trade in baseball history
@@kyleklecak7099 Glasnow is always injured, Baz needs to stay healthy now, Meadows already moved on. Arenado is playing like an mvp and is showing no signs of slowing down
@@Krackerboy901 all I’m saying is the pirates gave up 2 potential aces and a former all star with like 16 combined years of club control for Chris archer who was a disaster for the pirates. At least the Rockies got a serviceable player and a lot of money off the payroll
Safe to say that The Cardinals Won this trade by good margin. Arenado is happy and healthy, he's also the new leader of the Clubhouse and face of the Franchise Along side Goldschimdt after 2023 when Wainwright retires.
Not Goldschmidt? Him and Arenado very similar thematically for the Cards, but Goldy’s been there longer and probably will be for the foreseeable future.
@@Gemnist98 Goldschmidt a free agent after 2024, Arenado is here till 2027
@@Galcian1995longer he opted in for 5 years goldy is probably leaving after next year
@@Galcian1995 You're a Fire Emblem fan?
@@TiagoGomez-hb9te Yup
They traded away arenado for bums, paid some of his contract for the Cardinals to take him. Then go around and sign declining Kris Bryant 💀. Arenado loved being apart of a winning organization that he didn't opt out when he easily could've for additional money.
I heard how good Arenado was before he came to the Cardinals but I didn’t fully understand just how good until I watched him play everyday! He’s the best 3rd basemen I’ve ever seen he makes plays most other guys can’t make and does something special every single game to help the team win! He’s intense, competitive, talented, and has one of the highest baseball IQs in MLB. Also him deciding to opt in and stay with the Cardinals shows how much he loves this team most superstars would’ve went somewhere else for the money but not Nolan! He has become my favorite player and I believe he will win a World Series with the Cardinals soon!
Scott Rolen wants to know your location.
“How loud can you breathe” “yes”
I like all your videos, and I just happened to read your pinned comment explaining the repeated gasping before watching…..still couldn’t help but laugh my ass off every time hahaha keep it up
Sox trading Betts was pretty lopsided as well
He is a legit threat to brooks Robinsons 16 consecutive gold gloves.
Records are meant to be broken.
The Goldschmidt trade is a pretty bad one as well🤮 funny how both Goldschmidt and Arenado trades were some of the worst ever and they both landed on the same team within 2 years lol.
Still think the Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis (who failed) for what was effectively Burke Badenhop, Cameron Maybin, and Andrew Miller, and a pile of failed prospects. The problem for the Marlins? The best performances of Maybin and Miller were once the Marlins abandoned these players in subsequent trades and none of the had a career exceeding 10 WAR or lasting past Miguel Cabrera's career which will end at the end of this season. Which is probably the wildest part of the whole thing is that Miguel Cabrera outlasted every prospect he was traded for.
I am one of those Rockies fans that lost their minds. I regularly attended a few summer games each year at Coors, replete with friends, beer, and hot dogs. But man this trade was a big slap in the face and I haven't even considered going back since.
Broglio for Brock might still be the Cardinals biggest trade steal. But I won’t disagree strongly with anyone arguing for this trade. The Rockies throwing in a dump truck of money in addition to Arenado is hard to ignore.
insane to me that my man here can pronounce spokane right but has no idea how to say saint louis
It’s St. Louis not St. Louie
What about when the Phillies killed their 2011 all star team for a bunch of AA level players everyone forgot about? Hunter Pence + Cole Hamels + Cliff Lee + Roy Halladay in exchange for absolutely nothing
For a contender for the worst trade in recent MLB history, I'd like to nominate the Shelby Miller-Dansby Swanson trade between the DBacks and Braves
There's also the Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, Burke Badenhop, and 4 failed prospects where Cabrera outlasts all the MLB players and prospects involved even if Willis was a failure away from Florida.
Joe Morgan, Cesar Geronimo and Jack Billingham from Houston FOR Lee May and Tommy Helms. Significant because it was the start of the BIG RED MACHINE.
Crazy thing about that trade is I literally can’t remember even when it happened hearing any reasonable explanation for the trade lol
The Cardinals did give up two future elite starters in exchange for two middling seasons from Marcell Ozuna, so this trade may just be a wash when combined with that one.
St. Louis the S is not silent. Your not wrong but you are. If that makes sense lol
Al Avilas dismantling of the 2014-current Detroit tigers deserve an honorable mention. It’s not any one trade. It’s literally every one of them.
That dude was a train wreck. Signing Baez was his parting “gift” to the franchise
calling this "the worst trade in modern baseball history" or even just calling it a bad trade for colorado is to not understand how baseball trades and contracts work.
the arenado contract was thought of as underwater at the time. this means that he had negative surplus value. or in other words that the rockies owed him more money than he would earn on the field. why? well, he was aging out of his prime, injured and awful the year before and had just signed a 9 year $275 million contract the year prior with an opt-out coming up in a few years. the fact that colorado threw in $51m to pay down his salary was the reason that they even got the super mediocre pacakge of meh prospects that they got in the first place.
look at it this way: if your car is worth $15k but you still owe $18k on it, what is it worth to somebody else? less than nothing. even if you straight up gave it to them for free, theyd be dumb to take it, right?
now having said all that, the results of the trade have been ridiculously great for st louis. he rebounded and was healthy and good in 2021 followed up by being MVP quality last year. then, when it looked for all the world like he'd opt out and get much more money either from the cardinals or some other team, he decided to opt in to the last 5 years of the deal. pretty awesome results all around for st louis.
look, rockies management has been horrific. awful free agent signings, bad player development, blocking their best prospects playing time with mediocre veterans, even maybe giving arenado this absurd deal in the first place. they deserve a TON of blame for the awful spot the franchise currently finds itself in. but the one thing you cant really fault them for is cutting bait on the arenado contract when they had the chance.
What this trade proves is that analytics doesn't make baseball a science.
The Saint Louie Cardinals.
.... (Remembers the made famous by Judy Garland song "Meet me in Saint Louis (pronounced Louie)")
(is far more tolerable than "Mizurah")
It sounds cool, so far play!
As a cardinals fan it will always be the Ozuna trade
Rick Wise? He had a baseball card store here on Beaverton, Oregon. He bought my collection from me for a whopping $60.
The NL West and gifting the Cardinals HoF players for nearly nothing. Name a better duo. Don't forget that the Diamondbacks traded Goldie for next to nothing to the Cards as well. In the last decade the Cards have been on the right side of two of the worst trades in MLB history. A bit of hyperbole but both the Rockies and Dbacks should be relegated for such terrible trades.
Raisel iglesias for Tucker Davidson and jesse chavez is also crazy
I wasted 23 years cheering for this sorry excuse for a team! I cheered for them from day one and when they sent Tulo to Toronto (the 2nd worst trade in Rockues history behind Arenado) for basically nothing, I had enough. And then this HORRENDOUS "trade" just solidified my decision to leave Colorado for Boston!
“Saint louie cardinals”? It’s pronounced lewis cmon man.
"St. Louie Cardinals" 😂
Yordan Alvarez for Josh Fields will go down as another one of the most lopsided trades
As a Cardinals fan I'll just sit here with a big grin 😁
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The WORST modern baseball trade...? The Pirates' Chris Archer trade would like a word...
Dog your breaths in between sentences are crazy 💀
It may not be worse but Marcel Ozuna for Zac Gallen and Sandy Alcantara is close
Yeah this trade sucked. I still think the Vernon Wells trade was worse, or at least competitive, given the huge $ amount when you adjust for inflation.
Just would like to point out that at the time of writing this comment, the Cardinals are 12-24. That is all.
Granted, even though Tatis was a lottery ticket at the time, Shields for Tatis Jr. is already really really bad and is only going to get worse for the White Sox in the coming years as Tatis gets better and better especially with that lineup protection he has in the Padres lineup currently.
absolutely criminal
The title is wrong. I think this is the best trade in baseball history
For the Cardinals yes one of the Best Trades made in Club History for the Rockies though not so much.
Being a Rockies fan is a different existence. Thank God weed is legal in this state.
The #Astros have acquired Cuban minor league IF/OF Yordan Alvarez from the Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for RHP Josh Fields.
Worst trade of the modern era you say? *Nervously laughs in Johan Santana to the Mets*. Twins legit got NEGATIVE WAR from all players in this deal.
It’s not like Johan was much better. Dude’s injuries caught up to him HARD.
@@Gemnist98 true Santana throw out his arm for his no no. But at least he spent more than 2 years with the Mets.
The Josh Donaldson to TOR trade was horrible
Homie breathes so hard into the mic
The rockies owners built a new hotel district. That was the sole purpose of the trade. guaranteed return
Two months after this, I believe the Braves/A's trade involving Murphy will go down as the worst. Especially since Pache was already go.
when I heard the news of Arenado going to Saint louis I knew that we were never gonna see the playoffs agian, then they traded Trevor Story and i thought about burning my merch
Story wasn’t traded they let him go in free agency
@@theohenry938 because they're too inept to try to trade anyone of value
I still think the mookie Betts trade was worse, probably because I'm a red sox fan...
This and the time the A's gave up huston street and Carlos Gonzales for a sharply declining matt holiday are the 2 worst ever trades to be made.
The Glenn Davis trade was way worse.
Cut out your inhalations itll sound better. Good content though!
I’m a suffering pirates fan
The Pirates trading for Chris Archer was the worst modern trade.
“St. Lewie”
padres for juan soto might be the worst ever.
Silly that anyone thought he would be better than chipper
St. Louis uses the Rockies as one of their farm teams.
Worst trade ever? Can I introduce you to Chris Archer?
No, the Archer Pirates trade is the worst. Period.
Who the hell says Saint Louie? Offensive
Idk why so many people focus on the mic stuff. Just watch and enjoy the content 🤷🏻♂️
At least the avs are good
St Louie is always funny
I think this happens more often than not. I get that new faces need to be brought in to the league and the constant turn over helps with keeping talent on a high level. However this move wasn't a competitive trade at all. It was Colorado trying to pinch pennies and dump salaries and I think MLB needs to start blocking these kinds of moves because all it does is hurt fan bases and only benefit owners. Baseball is so corporatized it's bullshit.
St. louis with an S and Spokane with an E like “cain”
im a die hard cards fan but they should give that 50 mil back fr
Dude is magical at 3rd
dude, Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas
Mike Schmidt best 3rd basemen of all time? A Rod might have something to say about that
Breathe
Nolan is the major leaguer I want to meet more than anyone. So I can apologize to his face for all the shit I talked about him when he got traded.
Dudes eating the mic wtf
I'm not a Rockies or cardinals fan, but trades such as this are straight up bad for the sport.
The Rockies owner recently said they want to play 500. ball 😂 Feel bad fa Rockies fans mane
You gotta cut out the breathes in the audio
it honestly aint the worst trade in modern baseball. josh donaldson is still much worse. yeah arenado has been good but we have donaldson away then he won mvp and was a mvp runner up and got literally nothing back
Frank Robinson to the orioles because the reds thought he was too old. My personal worst but im biased
It's one of the best in my book - but again, biased. Also sending Doyle Alexander and a few journeymen (one of whom was Elrod Hendricks, who we later got back) to the Yankees (ha!) for Rick Dempsey, Scotty McGregor, Tippy Martinez and Rudy May...and a year later, May went to the Expos for Gary Roenicke and Don "Full Pack" Stanhouse. Class of the American League for years afterwards.