Hell? No!! Part IV: Hell is NOT from God
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- Hell? No!! Part IV: Hell is NOT from God - What if we've been wrong all this time? Have we terrorized our hearts? A profound, transformational, life-changing seven-part series from theologian, and acclaimed author and international speaker Susan Cottrell.
“I really need to watch this. I’m so exhausted from the fear, we are ALL so exhausted from the fear.”
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Thank you so much for these videos. When I was a teenager I used to read those Chick Publication tracts about accepting Jesus, or going to hell for eternity. There was even one where someone got sent to hell --- for being Catholic! You can't make this stuff up! I'm glad you're here to put people at ease. It is a horrifying teaching.
Horrifying. :( Glad you survived it.
Hell, the biggest lie ever told, on God, and preachers will answer for spreading it.
Why care what others think? it's your life not there's!
"Don't give permission over to those to move into your subconscious mind who don't belong there in the first place".
I cannot thank you enough for these explanations! God Bless your voice and channel that it will continue to reach many! My biggest struggle in accepting the “no hell” is that many people have had NDE’s that describe hell. I recently heard of a story of how the enemy uses these NDE’s to deceive us. Without the Bible as our standard, there is MASS Confusion everywhere. It’s taken me some time to learn the truth because I am a slow learner BUT God has not given up on me because He is LOVING, FORGIVING, and always teaching us truths if we are willing to hear them.
You are so welcome, beloved. Perhaps the time it's taken is not because you're a slow learner but because it's confusing, with so many conflicting voices! I'm glad you're finding peace. Please email me susan@freedhearts.org and I'll send you a short list of resources to help, and be sure to check out our website for many more resources and listen to our podcast. www.freedhearts.org It will really help. So much love to you!
I too am fearful of hell. I only went to church for 10 months but was quickly baptised. I was heavily into the new age beforehand and found so much narcissism and hypocrisy there, I thought I should go to church and build a relationship directly with God. But they couldn't answer any of my questions, particularly around the treatment of animals in factory farming and why Christians couldn't be less bothered. One lady didn't even know what the word 'sentient' meant. A world with a supposed all-loving God who doesn't care about his beloved animals who He created so they can feel emotions including pain and terror - nah, I'm out thanks. They were not all-loving compassionate people ☺️ Any advice on how to find the real Jesus appreciated ❤
@nadinedixoncoaching please listen to our podcast. It will deconstruct and make so much more sense to you! We have 138 episodes so far, and we've been deconstructing the Teaching of Contempt that underlies most of the (modern, conservative) church's teachings today. www.freedhearts.org You'll find a lot of freedom.
@@nadinedixoncoachingTh Eastern Traditions of Hinduism and Buddhism find the Christian tolerance for all kinds of animal abuse and slaughter ghastly. The Hare Krishna movement, which is branch of Hinduism, actively works in this area, trying to bring to our attention the cruel treatment of animals in the slaughterhouse industry. They also promote a vegetarian diet allowing dairy, and show how with the plethora of natural, meat alternatives, we do not need slaughterhouses. But, as a Christian I do not agree with all their religious beliefs. The Self Realization Fellowship is a synthesis between Eastern and Christian western traditions. They also are strong advocates of a meat free diet, and are against the animal slaughter industry. Even as a Christian their founder's popular book "An Autobiography of a Yogi" confirms Jesus and Christianity and explains them from their perspective. Christian denominations such as The Seventh Day Adventists also try and foster vegetarianism and do not believe in a "forever burning Hell".
@@FreedHearts Thank you!
Thank you so much for sharing. I’m a believer. ❤
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Susan, the thing about your ministry that moves me is the resemblance I see between your message and that of "Touched by an Angel," possibly the most God-centered program that ever aired on network television. Nine years of "God Loves You' spoken in Roma Downey's soft brogue.
Ooh, I love it! I'll have to watch that--it's been years and years since that aired! Thank you, Scott!
The Cross disproves the man made mythology teaching of Hell- John 3:16-17
The concept of hell never made sense to me. How you burn a soul? It’s not material.🤣
Hahahaha! LOTS of it doesn't make sense, mm? Thx Kalease!
You burn it by sending it the fuck down to this hellhole planet
Thank you! ❤
If they going go hell then there is no chance anymore to go in heaven. No turning back its the final judgement.
No one's going to hell, baby. The bible never says they will. Seriously.
For clarity's sake, I am not teaching that the Bible isn't for us. I am teaching that the Bible isn't about you. That's a very important distinction to make here.
The point is that God is at the center of the whole Bible and is ultimately about Him. Yet it is written in such a way that it is directed for man to read and interpret about themselves. For example, The gospel is about God and it's main purpose is to bring glory to God.
But it is recorded in such a way that we are to read it and examine ourselves in light of it's truth. We have this misconception that the Bible is all about us instead of focusing on who the Bible is truly about: God.
We aren’t the central point of the bible, Jesus is. We aren’t the star of the show, Jesus is. It’s God’s redemption plan to bring glory to himself, not for us to be the hero.
We are ‘in the bible’ but often we think we’re David instead of the frightened weak wavering Israelites.
"Grace" was for the man of Israel being delivered from flesh-dependency. The man of Israel needed God's sufficiency (Grace) to meet his insufficiency (flesh-dependency) in fulfilling the works of the Law of Moses.
Once he realized his intrinsic union with God's sufficiency through the Spirit, then he no longer needed "Grace". That was his journey, not ours. We should learn from it.
The Jewish Bible is about Ancient Israel ONLY.
It is about an ancient people (descendants of the race of Adam) and their land and a world within-a-world, a world created under direct covenant to God.
Their status and positional standing before the God of Israel was framed up under sin and law and death inherited "in Adam". They were "the dead".
UNTIL that is, Jesus, their Messiah (Gk Christos) came and delivered his people (Israel) from their sins, making the law vanish, and an end of death (Dan 9, Heb 8). They were made dead (and buried) to their old covenant self "in Adam", by the Cross of Christ, and they were made alive (and raised) to their new covenant self "in Christ", by the Resurrection of Christ (Romans 6, Colossians 3), thereafter their status and positional standing before the God of Israel, was one of righteousness and grace and life inherited "in Christ". God reconciled the people to himself, no longer holding their sins against them (2Cor 5, Rom 5). They were "the living".
In AD 70 the old covenant world of Adam and all Israel (once all the Israel gentiles of the Dispersion had been been "gathered in") was judged. Then came the end. The old covenant status and positional standing before God were no more. Sin and law and death and the world of Adam was no more. It had been destroyed. Ancient Israel under direct covenant to God was no more.
THE Hebrew AND Jewish BIBLE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY LIVING TODAY.
We inherit nothing but the story from which we can learn important spiritual lessons.
After AD 70, a pagan cult came along and had the gall to hijack the Hebrew and Jewish narrative, to reformulate it into a theological syncretic mess, which perpetuates sin and law and death indefinitely, thus denying and undermining the finished work of Jesus as Israel's Messiah. This pagan cult calls itself "Christianity".
First off there is no hell in the true Hebrew or Greek scriptures, and how many verses do you find in the Old testament that says that God will not be angry forever, also know these two, Lamentations 3:31 God will not cast off anyone forever, or 2nd Samuel 14:14, God devizes ways that you will not be banished from him, exedra exedra, also in the parable of the prodigal son, who was angry when the son camehome?.. it wasn't God the Father it was his elder brother who was mad, the father responded to his child in love. Love never fails, 1 Corinthians 13.8.…. Isaiah 25.8 exedra exedra,
I love this whole reply!
The theology of eternal conscious torment portrays God as a sociopath and should be re-explained and denounced among all of Christendom. So thank you Susan, i feel and agree with your heart on this issue!💯
All that said, hell does denote and warn us of an experience and state where the soul is painfully refined. As you know all the fire symbology is actually portraying refinement not punishment.
If the kingdom of heaven is within, so is the pit of hell.
Love. Absolutely.
I have a question.I don’t think hell is biblical but there is a concept that hell just means grave then what happens to non believers and other evil and wicked people,if all are saved then what’s the purpose or use of the gospel of the kingdom for believers.
Those are great questions, and there is so much more here than I can unpack in this space, but you--and anyone reading this--can email me and I'll send you some links and a pdf book about hell. Susan@freedhearts.org
Hello Ma’am, I am a Baptist my whole life, but have sinned alot... i have watched the testimonies of Bill Wiese, Mary Baxter and many others who claim to have went to hell and came back... I believe there is hell but it’s burdensome to me... what if I sin again and die and go to hell because I have really not repented because I repeat the same sin.... I am not ready to agree everything you say in your videos but I appreciate your courage to put out your thoughts to challenge the idea of hell.
Adrian, I understand the fear. It's scary to think that maybe all of this is not really true. (It's weird that NO HELL is scary, isn't it?) Please email me and I'll send you a free book pdf about it. susan@freedhearts.org. And go to FreedHearts.org for links to resources that will help.
I PROMISE you that God does not want you to live in such terror. That is NOT from God. 1 John 4:16ff says that those who fear punishment do NOT grasp God's rich and complete love! Keep pressing into God's love, Adrian, and ask God--NOT Previous teaching--to show you truth. ❤❤
Those people wanted money from books I've watched hundreds of near death experiences and 98% of them there was no hell
Former S. Baptist, now atheist. I'm not against religion in general, just those who teach the exclusivist view that if you're an adherent of the "wrong religion" you should burn in hell. I'm so far removed from that kind of thinking that I can't get my mind around it anymore. I read 23 miutes in hell, and man it's a hoot. It reads like something a 10-year-old could have written.
I wish you well.
You're really great!
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Okay, i agree but then i wonder where evil people go to when they die or where demons and evil come from and where Satan stays. I'm literally confused.
Baby, this is a bigger convo than we can have in these comments, but rather than focus on that, you might want to focus on God and who God is, which is love. That will do you more good than trying to nail down every questions your brain will come up with (all our brains come up with)!
I am beginning to think that the reason why people will not give up the myth of an eternal torment is that they would then have to figure out what to do with all the people they hope will go there!
Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit” three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times. Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave” once. Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and Gehenna, which is used twelve times.
Jesus paid my sin debt in full. I can not go to hell if I wanted to. I have no sins to pay for. First Corinthians 15:3-4 and First John 2:2. Christ died for my sins. Grace. He took the punishment I deserve so I would not have to go to hell to pay for my sins. And we all sin, First John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive our selves and the truth is not in us.
The doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment causes mental illness in its believers. They're sick. Jesus died on Calvary to reveal who the real TRUE FATHER is and that is LOVE- 1Joh 4:8.
A loving God would never torture billions of people for eternity nor does He ever say He will in our Bible. This is man's misinterpretation of scripture and man's church tradition which must scare people into attending services and paying tithes which is also unbiblical.
Once we learn how to identify mistranslated text in the popular KJV Bible (over 20,000) and how to divide Scripture properly, attributing what was meant for the nation of Israel and what was given to the apostle Paul for today's believer, the truth becomes crystal clear. But... if we mix doctrine and apply to Christians what was meant for the Jews, we see nothing but contradictions in our Bible. Salvation is now a free gift from God and there is nothing we can do or should do to receive it.
Jesus did it all on the cross and all we need do is believe. If we attempt to gain our own salvation through works, we're simply saying that what Jesus did wasn't good enough and we need to add something to His sacrifice. When we believe in this manner, we make void the power of the cross.
We need to stop judaising our Gospel given to the apostle Paul and start following the doctrine of our dispensation described in Romans - Philemon.
If we reject Christ and His free gift of salvation, we are separated from God for the age by our choice along with 'everything' antichrist and NOT eternally tortured.
That would be contrary to what a loving God had planned for all mankind. Can you really imagine our God torturing one of your family members for all eternity? No! - this would be vindictive and not just. Remember... the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment.
Once we learn how and why the KJV Bible wrongly translates and applies the words aionion, Sheol, and Gehenna we realize why we can abandon our belief that God could lose the overwhelming majority of His creation to an Adversary that eternally tortures them which is not only unbiblical - it is ridiculous.
Sadly, we created a god in our image (barbaric, judicial, cruel, mean, hateful but at the same time suppose to be all-loving) and not the other way around. Eternal damnation and eternal death (annihilation) are all a lie.
-Psalm 103:10-12-He removed our transgressions from us.
'couse they don't exist either
@@fernandocarmo1570 they don't exist? What do you ever mean?
The lake of fire uses refining words to define it and is not literal
I said that I believed in God but the idea of people burning in hell didn't sit right with my spirit and my friend told me I was calling God a liar. That's not what I was doing. A lot of Christians think that you could never question God. They don't think outside the box. And they think that everything is blasphemy. That's why I don't even like discussing my beliefs with them.
You are wise not to discuss your faith with them. That’s what Jesus meant by not casting your pearls, things that are precious to you, before swine, people who just won’t get it.
Our spirit is a great truthteller (when we’re hearing our spirit and not fear). Keep letting the spirit show you truth. ❤
I always thought hell was illogical from a loving God but what about the Devil does he deserve hell ?
That's a whole different conversation, and here's a great and relevant video to watch from my dear friend and outstanding scholar, Gayle Evers. ruclips.net/video/aVcopTfim78/видео.html
I really wish that these hell groupies would realise they’re literally running around telling people that the God they believe in and worship is a total arsehole. I’m not trying to crap on peoples beliefs but I cannot deal with the notion of “ask no questions”. If God is greater than all of us, then how the heck do these people thing the “devil” (not getting in the debate with anyone on this) is more powerful than God, how do they logically think that we are more compassionate than God? I don’t want anyone to suffer for all eternity! No, not even Hitler. Why? Because to me it shows WAY more power that God holds to TRANSFORM someone like Hitler rather then throw him into a pit. Also, how is the devil bad if he’s the one punishing “sinners” in hell? Surely then he’s doing the work of the God they say they believe in! IT MAKES NO SENSE.
I agree. What kind of a freak god could run such a universe? It's nuts. Totally. I love your point about the devil doing God's work by punishing sinners for God! Haha. Hell is an old pagan belief that we have been stuck with for thousands of years! Sad sad sad.
@@FreedHearts it completely comes from a primitive thirst for “justice” (which is actually revenge on a high horse) to want someone to suffer for all eternity. A woman once said to me that if hell isn’t real then what was the point in her trying to be a good person. I was floored, I just sat there thinking “you need a reason to be a good person?!”. Anytime someone preaches pure love, bigoted people claim it’s from satan. HOW IS PURE LOVE FROM SATAN BUT ETERNAL TORTURE IS FROM GOD WHEN APPARENTLY SATAN IS THE BAD DUDE?! Sorry…I just get so fired up 🤣.
@@titchkeat5427 Exactly! No sorries! You are exactly right and we really do need to get fired up about it! (No pun intended... haha!) It is astounding that people think they won't be good if they aren't threatened by hell. We wonder how we're so messed up. :(
@@FreedHearts it just stems from being brought up with all the fear mongering. It caused so much trauma in me and I can see it doing the same to so many people and I get frustrated as hell (pun intended 🤣) by it because people just use any straw man argument to suit it. “God is vengeful and loving”…wait, no. You can’t be all loving and all forgiving and then also vengeful…that is oil and water and does not mix.
Exactly,@@titchkeat5427. I'm sorry for the trauma and also grateful for your wisdom and your freedom from the theology. (Isn't that the way?) Love to you!
I agree with what you are saying.
Only, what will happen to those souls who committed such extremely horrible acts ever imagined and boldly refused to confess to God for what they've done?
How do you answer a question like that?
I do agree otherwise what you are saying about Hell.
That's always the question. We're far more concerned about the really baddies "getting away with murder" than about billions being consigned to hell because they didn't say the right prayer, etc. That says a lot about us. :) Email me and I'll send you a free book about hell to answer your questions. susan@freedhearts.org
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Just one more thing.
When I look on another site on the subject of Hell and say it is a real place
where there's torment which isn't stopping at any time.
As you read the Bible and you must have looked into the statement of Hell over and over again it is fantastic that you overcame the fear of there being an actual Hell. I'm like yourself who believe God will not be too brutal!
He is Justice that I believe.
And as for the subject of Hell, I ought to keep away from such sites!
@@christopherdalton9171 Yes, baby, those sites don't do any good! Of course people continue to say it, it's become such a part of the cultural landscape. But it was still a pagan belief back in the day and was interpreted back into the bible. So yes, stay away! It's like listening to someone abusive tell you everything wrong with you every day. It gets into your head even though it's not true! Email me and I'll send you lots more info on hell--anyone reading this can do that. susan@freedhearts.org
Clearly God lost power once the bible/Koran/whatever was written!
Exactly. According to legalistic Christians, everything has gone off the rails: where is God, people? Is God powerful as you sing every Sunday or do you have to shore up God's power by bullying everyone? Smh
Thank you for your video. A good concordance helped me understand the actual meaning of "Hell". Just to amply this, my understanding was Jesus died on the cross so we could be reconciled with God and his wrath was appeased, at the cost of his son. I'm not saying that natural law doesn't exist where the consequences to our sin bear fruit.
All of that about Jesus dying on the cross so we could live is not actually inherent in the text. That has been added, by religious men, "the traditions of men," Jesus called them. If you want a free book download, email me and I will send it. susan@freedhearts.org
What does Matthews 13:42 mean if there is no hell? It says that Jesus said “And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and ghashing of teeth. What about murders, certainly god would not let these people into the kingdom
Hi Dustin! Thanks for the question. I talk about that in detail in Part III of this series. :-) ruclips.net/video/YyleOw07ISQ/видео.html
@@FreedHearts I watched the video and I having a hard understanding what Jesus meant by saying that or where does satan stay?
Furnaces were used for refining in the day. This was symbolic language that speaks of the cleansing of people , not literal burning.At the end of revelations all the nations end up entering the Kingdom
I found a great read by Bart D. Ehrman authorized heaven & hell a history of the afterlife.
I believe this would help those desiring to come out of this mythology of the doctrine of demons known as the hell myth doctrines.
Also tentmaker.org is a great site for similarly illuminating info.
@@FreedHearts, I have found that to be a great helpe
Thank you! It helped me a lot.
@@destinycabuyao5900 , you are welcome.
Love is the better way and I don't support Gay Conversion therapy's
Do you think that conversion therapy is due to homophobia?
Yes I do, Joseph. It's saying, "I won't accept a gay child so I need to send them to be 'fixed' so I can accept them." This is done by people who clam to trust God but they don't trust God AT ALL. Very sad.
@@FreedHearts Agreed.
What you are saying is that the doctrine of Hell and damnation has been interpolated or put into the mouth of the historical person of Jesus but we know for sure what Jesus said or didn't only professional historians can through their expertise Cambridge and Oxford Scholars claim that less than one third of purported words of Jesus are his the rest not the original manuscripts have deteriated through time and we have only multiple copies which are not 100 percent accurate so can we know for sure? we can't
More or less, yes. :)
The writer's lied with the pen Jeremiah 8:8
The first century Church all the way up to about the 4th Century with Jerome and the Latin Vulgate the church taught the apocatastasis the restoration of all things the doctrine of inclusion Universal salvation whatever name you want to put on it but after we got mixed up with Augustine there you go
For the wicked I believe that there are realms of suffering or "bad incarnations" such as the eastern traditions believe. But, the punishment is related to the wickedness or "bad karma" and is in no way "forever" in burning fires. The Jewish concept of "Gehenna" that Jesus referred to was a specific dimension that many Old Testament Jewish scholars believed in although it was not found in their scriptures. It had pagan origins. But the fact that Jesus mentioned it may attest to it. But once again IT IS NOT PERMANENT. The purpose was to "purge" the evil from the wicked so they would "wake up" and not rebel against God. In the Eastern traditions that was the same case. The worst punishment was to be continually reborn in the MATERIAL WORLD verses being Translated into The Kingdom of God, which was a "Wholly Other" place of Unity, permanence and bliss, in a glorified body,. The material world is God's ingenious "prison house" or "reform school" that we must learn from to be "promoted". i have come to a conclusion that Jesus and Christianity are the "best way out" at this time for me. But each individual has "awaken" as The Buddha says, and find their path "to the Other Shore". But an endless fire of eternal suffering is a false teaching. Everything in the universe is "educative, purgative and redemptive" and God The Old Testament states is "full of mercy, grace, forgiveness and slow to anger" and will not be angry FOREVER" just like Psalm 145, verse 8 and other passages state. Hopefully Christianity will undergo another "reformation" and will not be "running people off" with a false doctrine. But truly exhibit a "God of Mercy and Love" ,even toward the animal kingdom like one commenter mentions.
I think of our earth time not as prison or reform school, but more like a board game we take on to enjoy, then go back and then return for a new game. But always learning, growing, and we hope, having fun! Gehenna was a physical dump outside the city. Whatever reference Jesus may have made would have been because that pagan believe of hell become a thing during that time (between the testaments). He was not endorsing hell. Remember that FIRE in the bible is always redemptive, purifying, as you implied, it's not punishment. Even the negative NDEs (which are minuscule in number next to radiantly positive NDEs) include an "escape clause" that, "as soon as I called out for help, I got it." Not the pagan idea of hell at ALL.
@@FreedHearts Yes there can be different metaphors for this existence, and different ways of looking at it.I did not mean a necessarily "harsh" prison such as we see in many countries today and in the past. But more like a divinely sophisticated one, with the ultimate goal being to "get out of it" or "transcend it", despite it's enjoyments. And your description can also fit that mold. ------There are now thousands of documented cases of people, mainly children, who have recalled their past existence in much detail.There is an American Psychiatrist who has dedicated his life to this after he had ha a vivid NDE in his 20s. The children's descriptions are too detailed to be dismissed.------------ Besides practicing meditation techniques and reading in depth in Hindu and Buddhist philosophy, I have also studied in detail the history of the Catholic Marian apparitions. These have given me a peak into the "glorious transcendental spirit body" that both, some of the Hindu, and Buddhist sects describe as the ultimate goal of human life. And from my Christian/Catholic background I have come to the belief that Jesus crated "an Expressway" to that goal. I also came to a conclusion that although there may not be a Hell or permanent "Perdition" in the way that it is described, and there are many transitory blessings in the material realm, to miss the ultimate goal of our souls and existence could be like exchanging gold for dung. But not everybody is ready for the "deep dive" I have taken. And I am still learning and modifying my ideas. Thanks for your informative, helpful videos. We need to awaken people through LOVE and Infinite joy, not fear and trauma.
@@thomastompkins8602 Yes, the entire goal of our soul's growth is love. We're MADE OF LOVE! We're just seeking our way deeper into it! Thx for your words.