2:30 will get you past my preamble and to where I start discussing the script. Figured I'd beat someone else to the punch... Also, let me know if you'd enjoy longer videos (like this one) breaking down anything and everything Star Wars in the future.
I like it, but feel should have 2 ten minute video's for every single thirty videos. However, my main concern are the What Ifs, for that is what I loved most. What happened to those?
Even this version doesn't get it. The Prequels were about Anakin's fall. The Originals were about his redemption. The Sequels should have been about his legacy.
You don't get it ! Kylo Ren is his LEGACY . Anakin's legacy is largely bad . One kind act at the end didn't undo the bad things he did He was a mass murderer.
I still believe Anakin's ghost helping Kylo not make the same mistakes as he had would have been a good use of said legacy. Who better to teach a wanna-be darksider of the pitfalls ahead than the very person who had sampled them all?
@@TheSt1092 At least the script we got had Kylo finish what Anakin started: saving the ones he loved. And yea, I get people don't like that idea but it works for so many reasons.
Stephen Taylor I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree one kind act doesn’t excuse the years of evil he’s committed but at the same time he went years also doing good for others and the galaxy
The only thing that got me excited was Finn leading a rebellion of Storm troopers. That would have validated his character. Instead all we got is REYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Agreed...heck, they could've added one short bit of dialogue in the final film indicating that the platoon of troopers to which Jannah had belonged that had deserted had done so because he had inspired them to escape, and his character would've felt a little more purposeful.
It actually makes him even more irritating since that seems to be the only thing he can say. Just running around screaming "REY!!!!!" all the time. Someone should do a skit where there are classic scenes in Star Wars where the hero or villain commands respect and attention of the audience speaking calmly and then Finn runs in randomly screaming "REYYYY!!!!!" totally ruining the moment and runs out again. E.g. "Everything you see here has happened according to my design. You see it was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the" "REYYYYYYY!!!!!!" "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your Father." "He told me enough....He told me you killed him." "No. I am your" "REYYYYYYYY!!!!!" "This is your last chance Jabba. Free us. Or die." (Laughter) "Lower him in!" John Williams Music and nodding. "REYYYYYYY!!!!"
I imagine they left out Anakin because of the perceived "hatred" of the prequels. Hayden Christensen's acting plus the character's script made Anakin one of the more divisive characters of the PT (I still love those movies myself). I feel like it's Disney's way of winking and nudging the audience like, "Hey, we get you, George Lucas and midichlorians are awful and OUR trilogy is way better, right? RIGHT???" They only relied on OT nostalgia to reel people in. The result? An empty series finale as rough, coarse, and irritating as sand.
That’s what’s so ironic. They tried to be “hip” but were too far behind the times to realize how popular the prequels had become (certain aspects of them, anyway).
I loved and still love the prequels, they are far from perfect movies. Their world building was second to none, it was such an exciting time to be a star wars fan. Disney completel misjudged the fans perspective of the prequels.
They especially didn't seem to take into account the entire generation of fans who grew up with the prequels, & are now all in their 20s & 30s, i.e. the biggest movie-going audience.
Blue Druid Th Disney sequels and Lucas’ prequels are both fucking terrible. Morons be forgiving the prequels cuz the new trilogy sucks shit through a vaccum cleaner. Truth is tho that those prequels suck but dumb milennials will like anything with muh nostalgia lmao
@@manniman82 I mean I think a lot of the ideas in TLJ are actually really good ideas and some scenes are memorable, unlike TFA or ROTS. Rian is a really good director and its a shame Disney fucked him over so hard with that film
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price Its literally be proven that it doesn't break logic and how am I a "JJ shill"? I actually enjoy the Darth Plageuis the wise scene but when put into the context of the movie it makes no sense and further adds onto a criticism of the film as a whole. I don't even like the last jedi, like I said I think certain scenes are actually good and memorable while a lot of the others aren't and that Rian is actually a great director and its disney's fault for what happened.
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price You mean a fantasy franchise filled with cliches.....DID A CLICHE? Like you are being such a chud right now that you are making me defend THE LAST JEDI xD. Them doing a cliche or being predictable doesn't "break the franchise" it just means that they did it. Like yes they got lucky. You could say it was dumb that they did that which I could partly agree on it but it doesn't break anything
I think Disney thinks fans find Hayden Christenson's acting to be bad, but even the most hateful prequel critics admit that Hayden was hindered by a bad script. Also googling him, he hasn't aged a day since Ep3, it's a DARN shame he didn't get brought back.
Devix - Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader should have been in Episode 9. In fact, the scenes were shot! Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker, and Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, were assisting Rey with her fight against Palpatine at the end of TROS. But, kathleen kennedy had all of the scenes of the various Force Ghosts deleted. kk had the Force Ghosts reduced to disembodied “Voices”. We want these scenes of the various Force Ghosts to be RESTORED!! RELEASE THE JJ CUT!!!
Even the script wasn’t that bad. His acting was actually quite good once you realize he was supposed to be an angsts riddled teenager. Talk to a few teenagers. They are mostly emotionless. The same way Hayden played Anakin. Same as his overboard emotional scenes. He played the teenage role great IMO
Devix Not just Disney’s fans thought that. Prequels haters really got to Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd. Jake got bullied because he acted in the movie, and that led him to a life of crime and he ended up in prison. Ahmed Best’s career was ruined because he played Jar Jar Binks, and hasn’t acted since 2013... definitely the Disney fans.
They should've just had The Rise of Skywalker end with some junkie waking up after this god awful trilogy played out, looking at a big pile of Death Sticks nearby, and saying "never again."
Make a bit more sense than The Rise of Skywalker. However, the lack of Anakin's presence affects it. It is no longer about the Skywalker in a Skywalker Saga.
That's kinda the point. The sequel trilogy isn't about the main Star Wars/Skywalker storyline because that story already had the perfect ending, and it's calles Return of the Jedi. The sequels are their own thing.
In theory it works like this: PT is the Rise and Fall of Anakin, OT is the redemption of Anakin and the Fall of the Sith, the ST should of been the Legacy of Anakin. So Anakin's presence is not needed as the legacy left behind, his grandchildren, the new Jedi order, the restoration of the Republic, should have been the focus. Effectively a segue into a new saga not about the Skywalkers. What we got was basically the Skywalker Saga becoming the Palpatine Saga.
@@TankHunter678 Imo the sequels should not have been a skywalker saga. If you want to "resuscitate" a franchise that was stopped for several years you have to separate yourself from it. The concept of anakin "legacy" is a bit too vague for me. Plus, the Anakin saga was just a retcon made twenty years later, in a trilogy that the majority of people hated before the sequels, so I wouldn't really based a new story on that.
@@razthegun9715 As I said it should of effectively been a segue into a new saga. Because the legacy would have been the restoration of the Jedi Order by Luke, the restoration of the Republic by Leia, with the grandchildren and other characters to take up the torch and carry it further. As it being the Skywalker Saga started by Anakin it focuses a lot on his family. After all, the retcon you talk about actually started even earlier before the prequels, with Empire Strikes Back when Luke was made the Son of Vader who was Anakin Skywalker. As A New Hope was not made with that story point in mind. And the problem with the prequels was not overall story, it was the execution of the story within the limitations of film and dialog. Both of which being weak points for Lucas. Much of what was actually hated was minor problems, things people misunderstood, and the execution problems in particular certain dialog bits. Not to mention the quiet majority actually liked the prequels, the ones who really hated the prequels were a vocal minority. Part of why the prequel memes keep going strong, while the sequels effectively did not get any memes made.
I find it kind of silly that each first phrase of the Sequel Trilogy's title crawls read like Breaking News lines. The Force Awakens: Luke Skywalker has vanished. The last Jedi: The First Order reigns. The Rise of Skywalker: The dead speak!
@@adomaster123 And in the Original Trilogy it wasn't??? It's meant to be like it's from a book filling in any time gap between movies. The one from The Force Awakens I don't find too like Breaking News Flashes. From what went on in these 3 Sequel Trilogy movies though I don't think anyone was really interested in telling a compelling story, it was just about getting them out to make money for Disney while they could without really paying attention to the whole essence of the characters and stories that had gone before. I think the Title Crawls however are the least of the problems in all of these movies!!!
Yes. But the plot damage from 7 and 8 is simply irreparable. The idea that the Empire didn't just vanish after the death of Palpatine is fine but instead of a struggling faction it is presented as something even more powerful than the old Empire. Ridiculous. And that is just 1 big thing among docents of even bigger problems
Needs more Anakin... these guys were so concerned about how the people who didn't like the prequels could have acted if they have included Anakin that they forgot that Vader was Anakin, and that this was always all about him.
Wow, this script has worldbuilding and character development! No wonder Disney and Kathleen didn't approve of it. Rey's lightsaber staff would've been to big as a toy so they said, "Mesa gon give Jar Jar Abrams supreme power to put the final nail in the coffin of star wars!"
At least Darth Sidious didn't just appear out of nowhere, and fouces that the frist Order is the main threat. On this point alone make this a better story then jj abams. Of course the standard bar is buried 6 feet under.
Yes, it's better However, this whole trilogy is still a missed opportunity, a big one I'll just make ONE example: Finn We have a former storm trooper who is force sensitive who ISNT the main character????
Because test audiences liked Poe. Poe originally died in the crash after rescuing Finn. The reason his return later in TFA seemed odd was because it was never planned to happen. So even in the first movie, "Written by Reddit" was a problem. Yes, it would have been epic if Finn had gone on to become the resistance leader.
@@johnterpack3940 Was there really not a more organic way they could fit him back into the movie, though, than to just have him show up out of nowhere at the end?
Explain how it was a mess it is actually a much better ? I thought the basic premise was brilliant . Sure it could do with a tiny bit more polishing but the premise is excellent . Consider the fact this draft was written before Carrie Fisher Died.. Luke Haunting Kylo and Kylo going to Mortis
Stephen Taylor utilizing Mortis and actually using Palpatine correctly (as a hologram) it seems like Collin might be the only Director/writer that understands Star Wars the best out of the sequel trilogy writers/directors.
How is it a mess when Colin has to follow up the clusterf*ck that was TLJ. There was almost nothing to work with after Rian 'subverted' our expectations. Being able to come up with an actual plot is a miracle unto itself.
this makes sense now, that the resistance got no response when they called for help in tlj... the first order was blocking all regular transmissions in the major systems. so nobody who mattered could hear the call.
The only alternative sequel trilogy I will entertain the thought of, is Timothy Zahn's. Oh no wait, that's not the alternative sequel trilogy, it's the _actual_ sequel trilogy.
@@rhiannejones3815 Understandable but it's the best we've got since Rogue One so I like that it makes me feel like a kid again, which is what Star Wars for me always used to be. I think the story telling is good but it's got plenty of time to keep world building like clone wars did
When Jenny Nicholson read the entire script all the way through, it doesn't sound nearly as competent as that dude makes it out to. The character interaction isn't good by any means, not to mention the pairing of Rey and Poe and plenty of other weirdass shit that happens.
Ben should stay alive, broken and humble, fixing the galaxy and giving help to small one till the end of his long life. Always somwhere around, in the shadow. In the Rey's shadow.
One thing I *really* like here, is the emphasis on how the FO impacts the galaxy's people. Honestly, that's been a weakness of ALL the movies, so it's good that someone kept that in mind. I'm skeptical of this as real, tho, wasn't Luke being alive and Leia being really significant major parts of CT's ideas? And I really don't see Mortis having a role in the movies...that almost certainly would have been changed.
Suppposedly, JJ Abrams and George Lucas intended for The Son of Mortis to be the ultimate villain in TROS...the rumor is that Matt Smith was to play him...apparently, KK and Disney didn't think the average movie-goer would "get it", so, they erased pretty much ALL of Lucas' ideas and attempts to right the Star Wars ship.
My guess is that CT wanted TLJ to be changed since Fisher died. RMB's synopsis of the script shows that it was dated BEFORE Fisher died. I can imagine that once she died, the only way to go with CT's story is to kill Leia off in TLJ and use Luke in the Leia role somehow. KK obviously balked at that idea since they kept her alive despite having a year to do reshoots on TLJ.
@@MauiDave74 Didn't Carrie Fisher die just before the release of The Last Jedi? I'm not sure how this allows enough time to reshoot, or even re-edit TLJ to kill off Leia. And even if you're right it assumes that they had already planned out the final part of the trilogy. I personally think that using the legacy characters - Luke, Han Solo, Leia, and even Chewie, not to even start on Palpatine were handled so badly they shouldn't have even been in these movies at all. If you are having them in to bring along fans of the OT then you have to treat the characters with the respect they deserve and not just use them as window dressing, that doesn't get you anywhere, as has been seen with the handling of Luke, and even the bringing back of Palpatine from the dead. I'd have been happier them not being there, and maybe only referenced in holograms or at places the new characters go to. Surely after the passing of Carrie Fisher, even if I'm right about the timescales, TLJ could have been adjusted so that Luke didn't die projecting himself across the galaxy, whilst Leia could have been given a much more minor role in the final movie in the trilogy, with Luke being given maybe a bit more of a redemption arc in the flesh. That would have somewhat appeased the fans of the Original Trilogy if done correctly.
I think the reason they didn't want to bring back Anakin is because he would've stolen the spotlight from their precious Rey since you know he's the true chosen one.
Destroyer94100 I think Disney did it because of hate he got in the prequels by a lot of fans which they probably didn’t want to get associated with it.
True. Rude Rey would have been sidelined and out of the spotlight. Hell they killed off Paige Tico (the hot pilot) probably in case she stole Rey's thunder as well.
@@bossfire2515 I personally would have produced George Lucas' sequels which had the old heroes, the Force ghosts, proper new villains and proper new characters in it, including a red Twilek and a proper female lead called Kira Skywalker. I would have cast someone like Chloe Bennet as the Twilek Jedi Hunter, Anthony Hopkins as Plageuis and someone like Naomi Scott, or Olympia Valance as "Kira" (not Ridley).
The irony here (assuming this is legitimate) is that CT actually tried to make a sequel to The Last Jedi: the movie that the powers at be supposedly thought was the greatest thing ever. If the fan backlash to The Last Jedi was really just a “vocal minority”, and everything was really hunky-dory, Lucasfilm should have had no issue with CT’s EP9. Instead, they bring in JJ to go full retcon, because Disney and Lucasfilm knew that the ball had been dropped. The Last Jedi took a hatchet to every potential plot thread to the point where a faithful sequel just couldn’t be a sufficient spectacle. All of this illustrates a sad lack of preparation and foresight by Kennedy and Iger.
That's the crazy part about all this. Colin Trevorrow's script (again, assuming it's legit) is an actual sequel to The Last Jedi. It very much runs with the idea that Rey is nobody and the Kylo, above all else, truly wants to forget the past, becoming powerful, and create his new thing... and that he dies wanting this.
@@thorskywalker Because Bob Iger actually was paying attention to what KK was doing this go round. TLJ is probably the one film in this trilogy he had no input in whatsoever. After the massive backlash from TLJ, he had no choice but to take back control.
I like his version...I was warming up to the idea that Kylo ren was the main villain, even though collin had this other sith lord or whatever... it def has its faults but I kinda digged it... let's see what Thor thinks..
I've been watching RMB for about 5 years on RUclips going back to heroes on Collider, then the John Campea show, and now his own RUclips channel. He's never done a "scoop," or rumor before. He's a director, editor and fan. Right or wrong, I believe he believes this script is legit. BTW true or false, duel of the fates is a much better title than rise of Skywalker, since I still don't understand why it's called that. Phantom menace: there's a threat in the shadows. Attack of the clones: a war involving clones start Revenge of the sith: the sith wipe out all their enemies A new hope: there's a new hero Empire strikes back: the empire gets pissed about that new hope The return of the Jedi: The Jedi return. (Luke or Anakin depending on how you interpret return) The force Awakens: huh? What? Was it asleep? What does it mean now that it's awake? Did it awaken in someone, like Rey? The next movies never really answer that... The last Jedi: a story about the last Jedi The rise of Skywalker: huh? What Skywalker rose? Rose to what? Huh?
It was called ROS as a way to tell the people who hated how Luke was portrayed that ROS isn't going to disrespect their beloved characters.. and that ROS isn't going to kill the past... as much. It was all marketing.
@@rockyseverino9230 , I didn't say how effective that marketing was.. or wasn't. I just explained why it existed. P.s. I had no faith in the ST when Starkiller Base destroyed Not-Coruscant and de facto the Republic.
@@JacksonWitsell what about "Fate of the Galaxy?" I came up with that myself like a year before, knowing they'd never go with it but I think it sounds cool
"Duel of the Fates" is the title of one of the most amazing tracks from "The Phantom Menace". If the script is real, maybe the title was just to hide the one that was going to be official. It's a stunt most or all film studios do.
Everything sounds great on paper. There was moments in TROS script where I thought were going to be epic but fell somewhat flat. I feel the same with this script. Some great character arcs and seeing Corusant would have been epic, especially seeing warfare on the planet. Still portraying what is on paper on screen is different. The only thing I don’t get, where was the creative differences that made Colin walk away?
But Disney completely was for what Rian Johnson had done. They always said it was just a minority who disliked TLJ. If I had my money on it, since this script was written to have Leia in most of it and Carrie supposedly died a week after this script was done. Plus TLJ wasn’t released yet, I just wonder if Colin wanted Rian to reshoot having Luke live to take over leia’s part in episode 9. Plus I don’t think Kennedy would’ve supported a Kylo blinding Rey across the face with saber strike. Then again idk. Just speculation, I just remember interviews from the actors and seemed this was the case.
Kye Dysarthria But Disney completely was for what Rian Johnson had done. They always said it was just a minority who disliked TLJ. If I had my money on it, since this script was written to have Leia in most of it and Carrie supposedly died a week after this script was done. Plus TLJ wasn’t released yet, I just wonder if Colin wanted Rian to reshoot having Luke live to take over leia’s part in episode 9. Plus I don’t think Kennedy would’ve supported a Kylo blinding Rey across the face with saber strike. Then again idk. Just speculation, I just remember interviews from the actors and seemed this was the case.
@@meast5599 From what I understand KK and Lucasfilm where in favor of Rian Johnsnon's vision (KK herself gave him a trilogy). The problem is that Bob Iger & Disney executives, and clearly JJ Abrams, don't undestand Star Wars; so they used their producer powers to outvote creative control out of KK. JJ being a producer placed himself as director again, like Bob Iger wanted. So the movie is Disney and JJ Abrams fault. And KK is actually the voice of reason, at least for the sequel trilogy (from which I understand JJ Abrams was never who she wanted to direct IX, it was Rian Johnson, but when he said he didn't have enough time she gave him a trilogy instead).
rosvel92 some what true take. But saying KK is the voice of reason is a questionable take. She has fired and replaced directors for nearly every franchise entry and there is only one director she has a positive relationship with & that is Rian Johnson who created a very devisive film. Nobody wanted to do Episode 9, even JJ didn’t want to. There’s an issue with KK In regards in handling this franchise, no plan for the sequel trilogy firing Josh Trank for the Boba Fett film, firing/replacing Garett Edwards with Tony Guilroy,, firing Treverow for episode 9, firing Lord & Miller for solo, D & D the Writers of Game of Thrones decided to walk away from Star Wars who were given a hefty contract, but due creative differences, and now delaying the Obi wan series due firing the writer, which the scripts were done since this past August. The series was supposed to start production this week. Im not opposed to Rian Johnson and I think he may bring an interesting take on Star Wars, but saying he knows more Star Wars than JJ, I have to disagree. There’s an issue with KK, it’s a trend and it’s very noticeable
I think Plagues should of been the 700 year old alien dude. It would be revealed that he is the one that is pulling the strings. And also we would find out that plagues is Snoke because Snoke is one of plagues clones. In other words, Plagues looks exactly looks how Snoke did but he was just another clone of plagues.
Tanner Aydelotte Darth Plagueis being the main villain in the sequel trilogy should’ve happened. Plagueis tells Kilo Ren everything. Him revealed to be Snoke, being the Darth Vader voice in his head, him creating the first order, and him waiting all this time in the prequels and originals would be a great payoff and would justify this trilogy’s existence. Having Rey and the force ghosts battle him would be great finale and doesn’t undermine Anakin’s sacrifice.
@@Fenrir767 Yes I concur. What SHOULD have happened is them using George Lucas' actual sequel scripts to begin with. In his original sequels, it was implied that the "Force story" was about the concept of immortality and the Force, involving the Whills as the overall higher beings in the galaxy, manipulating the Force. It sounds like Plageuis would be revealed to be alive and he has cast aside being a Sith, and pursued what he perceives as a greater goal, to control the Force itself. Lucas sounds like he would have shown us Leia uniting the galaxy (and reunifying it by saga's end) with the Alliance and Imperial Remnant versus a combination of "evil" factions of warlords, criminals and a hidden army led by Plageuis. Luke passing on what he had learned to his own daughter and a next generation of Jedi students. Multiple worlds, a finale on Coruscant etc. I.e. a proper story continuing and concluding from the old and forming ONE SAGA from the get go instead of the mindless aimless TFA. In the Colin cut, I don't think they went with Lucas' story since it continues from the mess that is TFA and TLJ, but yes it would appear that Tor is Plageuis. Coruscant is good, but the whole thing still lacks any coherence versus the Lucas (i.e. the creator's) vision and actual storytelling.
I think this was the idea at some point, maybe when TFA was conceived. But the keystone to this entire saga is a twist in ESB, and when half the fandom theorized Plageuis factors into all this, the creators thought "But that ruins our twist ending!" Even though anyone paying attention to the movies would know that a Plageuis reveal would tie together the trilogies. And here's something that aspiring writers need to be told, unfortunately: IT'S OKAY for your story to make SENSE! "But rule of two!" Easy workaround. Plageuis had no desire for political power. His desire was evil for the sake of evil. He found a way to operate outside the construct. A phantom menace, if you will. "But Palpatine said he couldn't save himself from dying!" Oh the bad guy might have bent the truth? For shame! Or maybe Plageius lied by "dying". Or frankly, what good is immortality if you ca't use it? This is just us fiddling in RUclips comments. Point being, if this were our job, it seems we could come up with any number of plausible ways to tell a good story...even if the outcome were somewhat predictable. They certainly could have as well. They just got scared after TLJ, and went back to a familiar well.
This is getting out of hand! Now there are three of them: - Disney's TRoS which is awful - JJ's cut which we deserved... and - Colin's Duel of the Fates which we wanted ❤
@@lukewylie1377 They have confirmed there were real talks about splitting TRoS in two parts. So they must have had a lot of material and then he suddenly just wants to cut it all the way to 2 h 22 mins?
I could easily make minor changes to any of these movies that would improve them greatly, but ultimately the real problem is that the owners don't particularly care to make something great. It's like music.. you can nake pop songs and rake in cash, or you can make art. The art might get you Bohemian Rhapsody, but it might net you nothing.
Even Bohemian Rhapsody was panned when it was first released. When making art, there's never any guarantee how it will be received at first, or twenty years later, which is why real art has to be a labour of passion, not just looking to make money, & why Disney will likely never put out any sort of real art any time soon.
I called Rey having a saber-staff a while ago...would have been esp cool as *naginata* (basically a katana on a staff) was a traditional weapon for female Samurai! Actually, it might still be...do we ever actually SEE her complete saber at the end? It's clearly built from her staff, maybe it IS inside of it...
I always thought she would look great with a Sabre staff. Daisy visually has a Satele Shan vibe going. I thought Daisy looked great. Too bad the writing was bad.
Hand -of-Omega You can see her new saber on her hip during that final Tatooine scene when she’s sliding down the hill. It’s a normie saber. I was bummed too when I realized it.
I could see Disney scrapping this script entirely purely for the inclusion of Coruscant and Chancellor Hux. Disney would rather have real life politics then world building politics.
RRREEEEE Disney sjw bruh what real world politics did TROS even try to have? Yeah the movie was pretty shyte but I didn't see any agenda behind it Also Lucas literally said how George Bush & the war on terror partially inspired ROTS and the prequels lmao
WHAT FUCKING REAL WORLD POLITICS DO YOU STUPID RIGHT WING CRACKHEADS SEE IN THESE NEW MOVIES THAT WERENT IN THE PAST FILMS??? THEYRE JUST A FUCKING MESS, YOU DONT HAVE TO TIE YOUR OWN BIGOTED STUPID ASS IDENTITY POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS TO IT!!
Hux should've been Mon Mothma's son. His rivalry with Kylo Ren would've had a deeper meaning. The sons of the two most prominent women of the Rebellion. Yadda yadda.
I believe Mortis was in CT’s version of the movie because The Balance of the Force was a big theme in the early scripts and Mortis’ whole ark was basically all about the Balance of the Force in the Clone Wars Series.
I feel like episode VIII and episode IX would have been better if they hadn’t killed off Luke Skywalker. The most powerful Jedi EVER dies from force exhaustion.
So the reasoning behind pulling Collin off this project and putting in JJ to “save” this trilogy was all about money. I mean that has to be it, Disney/Lucasfilm must’ve felt that Collins movie wasn’t going to make a lot of money so they put JJ in charge because they knew he could make a movie with a bunch of “member berries” to make people feel smart that they see things they remember and like the flashy action scenes.
Frank Severino there are a few call backs but JJ used TFA and Rise of Skywalker as full on montages. They didn’t focus on any new character at all. It just focused on oh we have to find Luke and we’re going to show you all this stuff that you recognize to make you feel smart for remembering. Oh now you have to find Palpatine but before you do JJ has to string you along with a bunch of remembering before you get to palpatine.
@@ryanmccarthy7572 I guess. I'm just saying half the dialogue from this script seems to be direct quotes or call backs plus face scarring kylo like Palpatine, kylo fighting Vader in a vision like Luke did, a hologram of leia pleading for help. This script is full of memberberries
Frank Severino I don’t know I’m Rise of Skywalker JJ literally starts out with R2 getting secret data and then Poe skipping through a bunch of places we’ve seen. Then we go to see Rey train with that training ball and the helmet that blocks her sight. Poe comes back with the falcon and then they head off to a desert planet and “find” Lando. Lando tells them about finding that. C3P0 then says some line that he says all the time. They sink in quicksand (because TFA). Chewie gets captured and then Poe Finn and Rey have to rescue the hero while shooting every stormtrooper without even looking at them. The imperials ask “who’s ship is this?” I’m sorry the First Order troops ask. Before saving Chewie they had to go to some planet to erase 3P0s memory so we can remember 3P0. There we see Rey kick everyone’s ass like on Jakku (wow she’s very good at using her staff). The biggest of them all Palpatine just being there and shooting lightning. I’m surprised someone in Rise of Skywalker didn’t have a line saying (after they saw the Final Order fleet) “So they’re big, there’s always a way to blow them up.” That reminds me “The Final Order” remember Order 66 where we saw Jedi die, remember that this Final Order is going to be WORSE! Also Palpatine just shooting lightning... yeah just lightning, nothing with the force or even a lightsaber just lightning for those visuals and memory. Oh yeah and the Death Star remains to find the mcGuffin. JJ seems to need a Mary Sue and a mcGuffin to tell his stories because of he tries to do anything else he would actually make his characters look human for once. In Colin’s script the only call backs were quotes or something that seems that would have lasted for maybe 5 minutes at the most. From watching these videos about Colin’s script it seems like he was trying want the Mandalorian is doing. Showing us some cool moments and things that we’ve seen in the past but ultimately is giving us a new product. Especially since Colin wanted to make Kylo go to Mortis, which is something that I think would’ve been better to see Kylo vs. Rey on Mortis instead of some random Sith planet that Palpatine was hiding on because he used the Mary poppins power at the end of Episode 6. The Rise of Skywalker literally wont let you and can’t let you think. You’re to busy seeing everything that you love, there’s nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with that when the final movie for a saga literally retcons every single movie.
@@rockyseverino9230 I think it's fine to have memberberries as long as they're baked into the batter of the story in a way that makes sense and not just plopped on top of the frosting for decoration.
When rey says to Finn “people can change, you taught me that”, that would have been so great to include. Not only does it add depth to rey’s compassion and finn’s as well, but it would also (had they kept Kylo alive and revert back to his light side roots) serve as a proper lead towards kylo’s redemption, at least in a more meaningful way compared to the one we see on screen. I don’t agree with the force ghosts helping rey defeat him, or having him killed in general, but that’s just me. Other than that, I like to visualize scenes like this to let us get in the minds of the characters and show us how they learn and grow rather than just cheap one liners and proceed on a Michael bay action pace.
DaveMac95 no one helped her win. the match was a draw because they both died. (Rey only was In what I assume to be purgatory) I can’t explain the full thing cause it’s too long but it’s also very very very very very emotionally awesome and I suggest you read the whole thing. It actually rivals other SW films and is probably the closest thing we’ll get to a rated R Disney Star Wars movie or at least more mature. If I can explain Rey here , If this movie was the one that came to be, people’s favorite female Jedi would change from asoka to Rey if not liking them both because her character development along with everyone else’s is literally amazing.
It also would've been cool if they went back to the temple and turned on the signal that Yoda and Obi-Wan turned off during Order 66 that told all remaining Jedi to come back, and then a bunch of living Jedi that were in hiding just pop up at the same time along with the force ghosts. Far fetched but kinda cool to think about.
I love this if we could have gotten this PLUS the redemption arc for Ben. To see him go darker and still come back would have been great and better yet if he could be instrumental in creating peace and live to atone like vader couldn't. Sounds like this ending would have been as depressing and Darth Caedus' story
I think Anakin should’ve showed up at least twice in the rise of skywalker as a force ghost once after Kylo Ren finds the emperor. Anakin then speaks to warn Kylo of the emperor’s deceitful and manipulative ways. Then the next would be when Rey confronts the emperor along with Luke’s and Obi wan’s force ghost and a redeemed Ben Solo and they could’ve gave him a line like “We’ve come to put an end to you once and for all my old master”. I think fans would’ve been satisfied with that
Real Star Wars has only six episodes. This whole "trilogy" is a disease impossible to cure. A damage impossible to repair. It is best left to be forgotten. Just like the infamous Holiday Special. Real Star Wars has only six episodes.
@@fazepapasito8166 The Prequels actually fit into and add to the story of Star Wars. They don't contradict, or undermine the lessons and achievements of the Original Trilogy like the Sequels. Star Wars is one big story and the Sequel Trilogy doesn't fit into that story at all.
Real star wars only has three episodes. fuck the prequels I know everyone loves them now because we have a new trilogy to hate but they are awful like seriously guys.
This is like the multicrapverse and we somehow get different crappy versions of this Trilogy. Honestly, I don't care what version of Ep IX we receive(d) as it won't replace the fact that this Trilogy is and was directionless. There would still be no outline and singular vision for the Trilogy, except for political notions and agendas. That's it. This would be like putting a bandaid on a broken bone and calling it fixed and I'm not saying you mentioned or hinted towards this at all. Just my thoughts. Calling this 'Duel of the Fates" would be an insult to both John Williams and the fight scene between Maul, Kenobi, and Jinn There are two very small concepts within the Trilogy that work for me and my version of the Sequel Trilogy and they are Leia being banned and the Knights of Ren,. Yea, that's pretty much it. Undoing every character arc of the original Legends that were excellently told over the original three films for the sole sake of just doing it is utter garbage.
I left a similar comment on SW Theory when he covered this but I feel that with some changes this should have been the episode 8 script. Here's why: the Resistance fights instead of flees and is a cohesive unit with no high-ranking officers giving troops a hard time (cough Holdo cough), Kylo the villain with the most screen time dies halfway through the trilogy leaving us with Snoke and the 7000 year old dark side creature as main villains going forward, Rey has doubts and struggles to overcome so the audience can hope she wins instead of having no investment in her since she obviously wins all the time. If this was episode 8, imagine where the story could go for episode 9. Especially with the new knowledge of this 7000 year old creature responsible for training sith and releasing them onto the galaxy through all three trilogies and even earlier.
The one thing I've always thought would work was the Knights of Ren being the main antagonists of this movie. They would be given insight and depth on not only themselves, but Snoke and how Snoke recruits them. They would also be a good mirror of the kind of thing Kylo wanted to be until they do something like, kill Leia or something. He faces off against the very thing he thought he wanted to be until the light pulls him to who he should be. Just an idea. J.J. Abrams acted like he had nothing to work with when in reality, he had alot more to use than he thought.
It doesn't seem to matter who Disney get, they only hire people who can't write a damn. How is anyone supposed to be happy with a trilogy where Han dies and his son also dies? Do these fools not get that due to the Han and Leia connection, people were naturally inclined to cheer for Kylo/Ben? Disney really needed someone like Christopher Nolan working on this trilogy from the start. All the Marvel people will only give us soulless future Star Wars movies.
They REMOVED Anakin from the SEQUEL'S because DISNEY'S entire PLAN for Star Wars is to SUPERSEDE ALL Lucas Era characters and replace them with properties that they own SOLELY!
This doesn’t make sense, they still include and build plenty of Lucas Era characters?? Han, Leia, C-3PO, Wedge Antilles, etc. Yeah I can see them being greedy and putting their characters to the forefront, but there’s absolutely no way they could just erase the characters like that. Too much uproar.
Rhianne Jones In the movies they may be dead (and I don’t think they could live forever in-universe regardless), but in other canon outlets like books, comics, TV? They’ll never go away, they’re too much of a backbone for Star Wars as a whole
This doesn't even makes sense. The prequels are just not very good films and werent in line with what disney wanted to do, which was appeal to the OG trilogy fans. Not saying they did this well, but thats the truth.
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I can't stop thinking about what we could have had if George had passed the key to his legacy to basically anybody else on the planet but Kathleen. The title is great and fitting for what should have been the final chapter of the sequel we never got.. Of course Anakin should have been involved somehow, the Vader helmet was there why not Anakin. I think the holocrone could have been since between ANH and ESB and that Vader saved it. I also think that this old sith creature, Tor Volum, might have been a part of all siths training program, so Plagius might have sent Palpatine there as well. I don't thing this draining living force out of others is something that is really fitting, it's a bit as the stupid thing that Starkiller base drained the sun from energy. I also think that when Poe says the old republic tech is much better then the crap we get today is not only a set up for going back to the old republic at some point, but also a slap in the face to our own world. I mean the crap we by today is flashy and all but it breaks down and is quite useless in just a few years. wile stuff from the 50's still works.
Depends on what you mean by "better." It sounds better written and more cohesive to TLJ, but ultimately, it still doesn't matter because it's built on a terrible premise that destroys Star Wars as a setting. There's no fixing that in a world where TLJ happens.
It doesn't destroy the Star Wars premise at all it world builds and expands the mythology something only the original SW and ESB if anything it gives it more realism . If directed well enough
@@TheSt1092 TLJ absolutely destroyed Star Wars, and there is no Star Wars where TLJ happens. Period. If you want that, fine, but as for me, no story, no matter how well told, is going to redeem what that movie did to the setting and its heroes.
The Sith Emperor could drain the life force of the entire planet. Thor Skywalker is such a fluke if he doesn’t know such a basic SW fact... such a joke
@@challopea considering most people dont connect the power palpatine describes in the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise to force healing, despite them being the same thing..........
The inclusion of Kuat as such is such a great bow to lore (EU) that you can already feel that those people actually care about what they are doing and know their Star Wars.
TFA and TLJ made it impossible to give this series a proper finale. The Saga ended in Return of the Jedi, the Abrams/Johnson trilogy is just a lackluster series that takes place 30 years after the end of the saga. This script really wouldn’t improve things much if at all imo.
I concur. The only script on screen I would like to have seen is George Lucas' actual sequel story outline. Otherwise, the story should be allowed to end with respect and dignity at ROTJ. I wasn't a fan of TLJ, but for me TFA messed things up. Because it didn't even give a "reason to exist". As in why the story isn't finished yet. Whereas it sounds like Lucas was going to show Luke "passing on what he had learned" as per Yoda's wish and an actually hidden overall villain with the concept of the Whills, destiny, Plageuis, etc as well as reunifying the galaxy by Leia. Instead TFA doesn't explain a damn thing, tears down the very premise of the former episodes, doesn't continue the story, and worse focuses on RANDOM characters which in a family saga makes zero sense.
@@griffinshearer8265 I agree! I feel really sad. I went in spoiler free to see TFA expecting to see the great sequel to ROTJ and George's story. I left feeling confused and a bit empty, and nothing like how I felt the first time I saw ANH, or after leaving the cinema ecstatic after ROTS. When I found out they had thrown out George's story, suddenly the total absence of continuation, or a plot made sense. TFA started this mess. You shouldn't have to have another film (let alone comics) to explain what the hell the story is. TFA forgets to do the BASIC thing of being Episode SEVEN. It's meant to be the seventh instalment of one greater whole, like a chapter in a book. Instead it acted like some totally separate movie series with random parody cameos from old actors. What a waste. TLJ is bad, but TFA started this. The best analogy I can think of is the old story (you can find it on Google/Wikipedia) of "The Emperor's New Clothes". That perfectly sums up the blind applause given to TFA.
I prefer the title, “Duel of the Fates” for the Episode 9, even for the version we got. Why no Anakin? I think this there is a perception that Hayden Christensen, thus Pre-Dark-Side Anakin, ranks up there with Jar-Jar Binks for negative reactions with fans, so any appearance of Anakin would risk additional ire of the fans, which they obviously wanted to minimize this time. In my mental re-write of Episode 9, after Kylo was confronted by the memory of his father and turns and throws his light saber. He would have turned back and seen Anakin and maybe Luke. This would have signified that Ben completed his return to the light side. There could have been potential for key conversations with these force ghosts that would have illuminated the Skywalker legacy. One could have been how balance in the Force does not mean that there are equal numbers of Jedi and Sith as is believed by much of the fandom and was intimated in TLJ, but means the absence of the Dark Side in power, or whatever it means according to Abrams, Kennedy, the Star Wars Story Group, Disney, or whoever. Or, maybe the conversation could have given Ben greater purpose and motivation for following Rey. Or, even the future of the Light Side or something that would have portrayed what was trying to be accomplished from a big-picture perspective. The one addition to the lore that RoS makes that I liked was why the Emperor wanted Rey and previously Luke to strike him down. The old master lives on in the new master through this transfer. It explains a lot. Is this how Darth Plagueis found a way to live forever, or did he just discover that the Sith Lords had been living on through the apprentices that killed their masters from the beginning? The previous saga episodes now have new under currents and conversations take on new meaning with this addition including potentially the story of .Sheev Palpatine and his creation of a family and subsequent turn to the Dark Side.
This entire trilogy was a sad attempt at making the Prequel haters happy. They tried to remake the OT and in doing so made the OT characters irrelevant. Ironic.
Thanks for the video! And yes, I enjoy your longer videos, and the shorter ones. All your videos are great. I may be jumping to conclusions, but this script does sound much better than the actual Episode IX. In particular I liked that the main villains are Kylo and The First Order, it doesn't undermine the earlier movies by bringing back the Emperor. And it seems like the characters are much ore developed. Rey in particular has to fight for survival and actually struggles, which makes her more relatable than the demigod in the movie. Also, the older characters are better used. But the main reason I like this script is the way it was presented, with RMB reading it to us and adding his spontaneous commentary, then other channels taking up the story and doing the same thing. It reminded me of the way I experienced the original trilogy back in the 80's: first there'd be the comic book version of each movie and the novelization, and based on that my friends and I would talking and speculate endlessly about what was coming. We'd have our own little story sessions in schoolyards and living rooms, acting out what we'd heard and what we'd like to see with our action figures. Then, when the movie finally arrived months later it'd be this huge EVENT that was both familiar and strange at the same time. It felt like we owned the story in a way, because we'd been listening to it and adding to it for so long.
I probably wouldn't have watched any version of episode 9. My issue with episode 9 is that TLJ derailed the trilogy, and the access media attacked fans that disliked the movie. Disney could have stopped the attacks at any point but they didn't. I cannot bring myself to spend any money on Disney Star Wars right now.
Jesus christ the last jedi came out 2 fucking years ago, get over it! It's not even that bad, you guys are acting as if the last jedi killed your entire family. Also who cares if disney didn't stop the media from attacking people people that hates the last jedi? Oh boo hoo the Multibillion dollar company that has way better things to do isn't protecting you from people bullying you on the internet. And finally saying the trilogy is derailed just because lucas isn't working on them is childish. Disney owns it, fucking get over it. There's plenty of enjoyment to get out of both the force awakens and the last jedi. And even if you hate the last jedi it isn't an objectively terrible film, a horribly flawed film yes but it is by no means unwatchable. It's not like it's the rise of skywalker that has literally nothing to enjoy about it. If you man babies are going to whine about a film then at least whine about the film that actually deserves the hate.
@@thegreatcannoli189 such as? What film deserves hate more than one that includes the character assassination of a character as iconic as Luke skywalker?
I agree that there was no reason to attack fans that didn't like the film as much as that happened. I will also say though there were many fans who went way overboard with their dislike for a film. I know I tend to be in the minority on the internet on SW videos, but I loved TLJ and I enjoy the direction they went with Luke. It was cool to see the Disney canon expand on Luke's search to learn about the Jedi History flaws and all and see him be somewhat human in his response to his mistakes. Personally I got annoyed with the old EU luke where he was basically just Goku for the star wars universe and learn whatever power/skill he needed to win. The thing I ultimately disagreed with was Luke going to the dark side in the old EU. that seemed worse than anything that happened in TLJ.
Midnight's Edge, with RMBs permission, put together a pretty good Super Cut; which included the final fight between Kylo and Rey, him ultimately finding redemption by saving her life, R2 nearly being destroyed as well as repaired, Rey having a conversation with Force Ghosts Luke/Yoda/Obi Wan, finding Balance in the Force between Light/Dark, and at the end film she begins rebuilding the Jedi Order. BTW, I also think Anakin should have played a larger role in Episode IX.
It was fine that romance was left out of it pretty much all versions. However, if Rey was to get together with any of the men in this film, I agree that it should've been Finn!
Eh.. Kylo was given a chance to turn back at the end of Last Jedi; Snok was gone, Rey offered for him to come back, and he probably wouldve been forgiven by Luke and Leia (probably not Chewy). But he said "Fuck that noise!" And told Rey to rule the galaxy with him, Anakin style. So he, in the face of freedom and being his own agent, made the willing choice to be a bad boy. So he shouldnt really get the redeems, unless the end of Last Jedi was changed and he sided with Rey. Then they could even confront a certain voice in the distance that corrupted him, and take down the first order (redeeming Kylo for helping it off the ground).
Tbh, I’ve found that every set of movies has had revisions that I didn’t like. ROTJ could’ve had Wookiees instead of Ewoks. The prequels could’ve handled the clone wars better and spent more time developing good character dialogue. Maybe make Anakin older, or remove the “attachments is forbidden” portion of the Jedi Code. Some of the novelizations before the prequels painted a very different Clone Wars, etc. The sequels could’ve had a cohesive story that included more of Anakin Skywalker’s legacy and less “new ideas” that broke the lore established by the original 6. It could’ve focused on descendants of the original characters. At this point, I’ve come to accept that Star Wars can’t be made perfect by talking about what could have been. But hopefully future writers and directors will take notice...we don’t like plot holes or poor character development, and we don’t like rehashing old stories.
Nothing wrong with ewoks. They're awesome. They're adorable yet disturbing. They were going to cook and eat our beloved characters for gods sake. ROTJ is the best episode imo.
It would be cool if when Kylo threw the helmet off the balcony the camera pans up and down and it shows kylo throw the helmet and the camera goes down following the helmet, and then the camera pans back up to reveal anakains force ghost behind him. It would be one last shootout to Hayden Christensen and be cook cinematography.
I like it, but I will say it’s probably because of hindsight. Let’s say we got this and then we heard JJ wanted to do one. People would be saying that what we got really got was better than Trevorrow’s.
Rob's legit, Thor. I'm a subscriber of his, a frequent contributor to his show with many letters that I've written. Not sure if you have to give a listen, but it's worth it. Even if you don't, take my word about him. He's just the messenger on this one, and he's really just offering up this script to all of us to peruse and ponder about.
if Anakin was in the balcony scene, I was thinking he should have said something like "You're trowing that away. Good... but its for the wrong reasons" or something.
Long Forgotten Agreed...and this “Duel of the Fates” version of episode 9 wouldn’t have saved the sequel trilogy...episode 8 ruined any chance for a dignified ending to the saga
@@vietnamd0820 I don't really agree. Imo if we wanna be strict 7 broke the saga by not "restoring the balance" with anakin. But if you wanna do a sequel it's obvious that there has to be an enemy, so let's disregard that. The 9 broke the saga even further by reviving Palpatine (and not anakin) who was the dumbest thing one could do. The two major critics that i hear about 8 are the "change" in Luke and the "democratic force for all". For luke it can certainly be hurtful for some fans but it down't really break the saga continuity and for the force, christ in the prequels we have tens of thousand of jedi it's not like only the sky walkers can wield it. So for me 7 and 9 have done a better job at destroying the saga, than 8
@@razthegun9715 7, 8 and 9 are all a mess. 7: Han Solo goes back to smuggling? Ridiculous. He was so important to the rebellion that it would be surprising if he ever needed to work again. Why wouldn’t he be taken care of by the new republic? 8: Luke gives up on the Jedi because Ben Solo turned evil. Yet Luke knows Obi Wan didn’t give up when Anakin turned evil. And where’s the force ghosts of Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda to guide Luke prior to Luke cutting himself off from the Force? 9: Palpatine is back, ruining the plot line of Anakin fulfilling the prophecy of restoring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith.
Frankly, the ST could've been epic, if it was written in a consistent and coherent manner that didn't rely on nostalgia, contrivance, or diverting from a character's motivation and their core essence.
You should check out the Duel of The Fates Podcast, which is essentially an unofficial radio dramatization of this script and ideas, which is really well done. As for my feelings, some sort of mutant hybrid of this and TROS would have probably worked for a solid conclusion. There were really a lot of elements that I liked about both stories.
Overall this is a marginally better-sounding story than what we got in The Rise of Skywalker, though to be sure that's not a high bar. I have problems with this story, of course. I actually don't like the title "Duel of the Fates" because it would be confused with the song of the same name. I like that Rey has a lightsaber staff; that's what she should have gotten to begin with. It's good that the Knights of Ren are developed but it's too late; that should have been done in The Force Awakens. I like that there's interaction between Luke and Kylo Ren, and just more Luke in general. Obviously no revived Palpatine is a big boon. The whole call for help plot is ridiculous; another MacGuffin quest instead of doing the hard work of fighting a galactic-scale war. Pretty much everything that happens with Rey, Kylo, Torvallum, Remnacore, Mortis, etc. in the second half sounds dumb.
@@62crazylegs Dunno...the battle itself is cool imo but yea Duel of the fates is fast paced and epic. Maybe a slower, more dramatic variation of it would do🤔
As much as I love almost everything Star Wars. Nobody will be able to capture the magic of the OT. It was the perfect space fantasy with perfect actors for their roles. It was and might still be the greatest movie trilogy every made. ESB is the peak of Star Wars and always will be. I wish Disney would just stop making anything Star Wars related, they’re ruining and diminishing the legacy and impact the OT had on the real world.
Idk man, as much as I love the OT, ROTJ was a slightly weak conclusion. Compare that to Lord of the Rings and the ending that Return of the King provided; Tolkien was a master storyteller.
I think this would have been better, but not optimal or satisfying as an ending. At least there were a lot of interesting ideas floating around in this script rather than just re-hashing the emperor as the main villain because... reasons...
2:30 will get you past my preamble and to where I start discussing the script. Figured I'd beat someone else to the punch... Also, let me know if you'd enjoy longer videos (like this one) breaking down anything and everything Star Wars in the future.
I like it, but feel should have 2 ten minute video's for every single thirty videos.
However, my main concern are the What Ifs, for that is what I loved most. What happened to those?
They'll be returning very soon.
I like your preambles!
RMB actually did explain about about Kylo going to Mortis he was going there on instruction from the holcron to seek- ultimate power.
I think it has more potential than Rise of Skywalker it just would've needed a few more rewrites and then executed well.
Even this version doesn't get it. The Prequels were about Anakin's fall. The Originals were about his redemption. The Sequels should have been about his legacy.
You don't get it ! Kylo Ren is his LEGACY . Anakin's legacy is largely bad . One kind act at the end didn't undo the bad things he did He was a mass murderer.
I still believe Anakin's ghost helping Kylo not make the same mistakes as he had would have been a good use of said legacy. Who better to teach a wanna-be darksider of the pitfalls ahead than the very person who had sampled them all?
@@TheSt1092 At least the script we got had Kylo finish what Anakin started: saving the ones he loved. And yea, I get people don't like that idea but it works for so many reasons.
Stephen Taylor I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree one kind act doesn’t excuse the years of evil he’s committed but at the same time he went years also doing good for others and the galaxy
And Anakin helping Kylo would have been an atonement of sorts.
Luke: "Anakin talk to your grandson."
Anakin: "No."
Sir_ Deadlock Anakin: Nah, imma go talk to the grandchild of the man who manipulated and tortured me for my entire life.
Brigham Bentley palpatine won in the end
"GO AWAY!"
@@meb8839 reminds me of that go away vine
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The only thing that got me excited was Finn leading a rebellion of Storm troopers. That would have validated his character. Instead all we got is REYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Agreed...heck, they could've added one short bit of dialogue in the final film indicating that the platoon of troopers to which Jannah had belonged that had deserted had done so because he had inspired them to escape, and his character would've felt a little more purposeful.
It actually makes him even more irritating since that seems to be the only thing he can say. Just running around screaming "REY!!!!!" all the time. Someone should do a skit where there are classic scenes in Star Wars where the hero or villain commands respect and attention of the audience speaking calmly and then Finn runs in randomly screaming "REYYYY!!!!!" totally ruining the moment and runs out again.
E.g.
"Everything you see here has happened according to my design. You see it was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the"
"REYYYYYYY!!!!!!"
"Obi Wan never told you what happened to your Father."
"He told me enough....He told me you killed him."
"No. I am your"
"REYYYYYYYY!!!!!"
"This is your last chance Jabba. Free us. Or die."
(Laughter)
"Lower him in!"
John Williams Music and nodding.
"REYYYYYYY!!!!"
Finn: Rey!!!
Rey: What?
Finn: You are my Que-Skywalker.
eon001 yo that would’ve been sick
and we still don’t know what he wanted to tell her lol but I can kind of guess what 😑
I imagine they left out Anakin because of the perceived "hatred" of the prequels. Hayden Christensen's acting plus the character's script made Anakin one of the more divisive characters of the PT (I still love those movies myself). I feel like it's Disney's way of winking and nudging the audience like, "Hey, we get you, George Lucas and midichlorians are awful and OUR trilogy is way better, right? RIGHT???" They only relied on OT nostalgia to reel people in.
The result? An empty series finale as rough, coarse, and irritating as sand.
That’s what’s so ironic. They tried to be “hip” but were too far behind the times to realize how popular the prequels had become (certain aspects of them, anyway).
I loved and still love the prequels, they are far from perfect movies. Their world building was second to none, it was such an exciting time to be a star wars fan. Disney completel misjudged the fans perspective of the prequels.
They especially didn't seem to take into account the entire generation of fans who grew up with the prequels, & are now all in their 20s & 30s, i.e. the biggest movie-going audience.
@@mintbericrunche9437 Blame the PT haters for the mess we're in. They hated SW so much they had it killed.
Blue Druid Th Disney sequels and Lucas’ prequels are both fucking terrible. Morons be forgiving the prequels cuz the new trilogy sucks shit through a vaccum cleaner. Truth is tho that those prequels suck but dumb milennials will like anything with muh nostalgia lmao
I used to think episode 9 was a tragedy, but now I know it's a comedy.
The disney trilogy films are parodies of the originals, the ones JJ made at least; TLJ can't even pass as a comedy...
@@manniman82 I mean I think a lot of the ideas in TLJ are actually really good ideas and some scenes are memorable, unlike TFA or ROTS.
Rian is a really good director and its a shame Disney fucked him over so hard with that film
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price Its literally be proven that it doesn't break logic and how am I a "JJ shill"? I actually enjoy the Darth Plageuis the wise scene but when put into the context of the movie it makes no sense and further adds onto a criticism of the film as a whole.
I don't even like the last jedi, like I said I think certain scenes are actually good and memorable while a lot of the others aren't and that Rian is actually a great director and its disney's fault for what happened.
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price You mean a fantasy franchise filled with cliches.....DID A CLICHE? Like you are being such a chud right now that you are making me defend THE LAST JEDI xD.
Them doing a cliche or being predictable doesn't "break the franchise" it just means that they did it. Like yes they got lucky. You could say it was dumb that they did that which I could partly agree on it but it doesn't break anything
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price You make shitty excuses, and you aren't bashing anything.
Chuds gonna chud
I am just imagining a buncha force ghosts surrounding Kylo beating him with sticks + Yoda with his cane and laughing.
That'd made more sense than what Roundface and JarJar eventually crapped out their... brains(?).
That might explain why Ben and Anakin's force ghost weren't with Luke and Leia's in Tatooine.
I'd pay to see 2 hours of this
I think Disney thinks fans find Hayden Christenson's acting to be bad, but even the most hateful prequel critics admit that Hayden was hindered by a bad script. Also googling him, he hasn't aged a day since Ep3, it's a DARN shame he didn't get brought back.
Devix - Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader should have been in Episode 9. In fact, the scenes were shot! Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker, and Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, were assisting Rey with her fight against Palpatine at the end of TROS. But, kathleen kennedy had all of the scenes of the various Force Ghosts deleted. kk had the Force Ghosts reduced to disembodied “Voices”. We want these scenes of the various Force Ghosts to be RESTORED!! RELEASE THE JJ CUT!!!
@@thegreypath1777 hopefully Disney at least releases the deleted scenes of the Force ghosts so that fans can edit the scene into the movie.
Even the script wasn’t that bad. His acting was actually quite good once you realize he was supposed to be an angsts riddled teenager. Talk to a few teenagers. They are mostly emotionless. The same way Hayden played Anakin. Same as his overboard emotional scenes. He played the teenage role great IMO
Devix
Not just Disney’s fans thought that. Prequels haters really got to Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd. Jake got bullied because he acted in the movie, and that led him to a life of crime and he ended up in prison. Ahmed Best’s career was ruined because he played Jar Jar Binks, and hasn’t acted since 2013... definitely the Disney fans.
@J C wait really?? Jesus...
They should've just had The Rise of Skywalker end with some junkie waking up after this god awful trilogy played out, looking at a big pile of Death Sticks nearby, and saying "never again."
TheVioletLightning 013 or end with Luke waking up from a weird force vision, then going back to sleep with his wife Mara Jade and his baby son Ben
I need to re think my life...😵
Matthew McCormack probably make more sense if Ben was a bit older, since Luke is so old now too.
Rofl, well said!
TheVioletLightning 013 I pictured my idea to still have a prime Luke not too long after RotJ
Make a bit more sense than The Rise of Skywalker. However, the lack of Anakin's presence affects it. It is no longer about the Skywalker in a Skywalker Saga.
its not like anakin was in tros much
That's kinda the point. The sequel trilogy isn't about the main Star Wars/Skywalker storyline because that story already had the perfect ending, and it's calles Return of the Jedi. The sequels are their own thing.
In theory it works like this: PT is the Rise and Fall of Anakin, OT is the redemption of Anakin and the Fall of the Sith, the ST should of been the Legacy of Anakin.
So Anakin's presence is not needed as the legacy left behind, his grandchildren, the new Jedi order, the restoration of the Republic, should have been the focus. Effectively a segue into a new saga not about the Skywalkers.
What we got was basically the Skywalker Saga becoming the Palpatine Saga.
@@TankHunter678 Imo the sequels should not have been a skywalker saga. If you want to "resuscitate" a franchise that was stopped for several years you have to separate yourself from it. The concept of anakin "legacy" is a bit too vague for me. Plus, the Anakin saga was just a retcon made twenty years later, in a trilogy that the majority of people hated before the sequels, so I wouldn't really based a new story on that.
@@razthegun9715 As I said it should of effectively been a segue into a new saga.
Because the legacy would have been the restoration of the Jedi Order by Luke, the restoration of the Republic by Leia, with the grandchildren and other characters to take up the torch and carry it further. As it being the Skywalker Saga started by Anakin it focuses a lot on his family.
After all, the retcon you talk about actually started even earlier before the prequels, with Empire Strikes Back when Luke was made the Son of Vader who was Anakin Skywalker. As A New Hope was not made with that story point in mind.
And the problem with the prequels was not overall story, it was the execution of the story within the limitations of film and dialog. Both of which being weak points for Lucas. Much of what was actually hated was minor problems, things people misunderstood, and the execution problems in particular certain dialog bits. Not to mention the quiet majority actually liked the prequels, the ones who really hated the prequels were a vocal minority. Part of why the prequel memes keep going strong, while the sequels effectively did not get any memes made.
I find it kind of silly that each first phrase of the Sequel Trilogy's title crawls read like Breaking News lines.
The Force Awakens: Luke Skywalker has vanished.
The last Jedi: The First Order reigns.
The Rise of Skywalker: The dead speak!
It is a period of Civil War?
FANIMATOR yeah that’s what I was thinking lol. That’s what the opening lines are supposed to be like.
@@adomaster123 And in the Original Trilogy it wasn't??? It's meant to be like it's from a book filling in any time gap between movies. The one from The Force Awakens I don't find too like Breaking News Flashes. From what went on in these 3 Sequel Trilogy movies though I don't think anyone was really interested in telling a compelling story, it was just about getting them out to make money for Disney while they could without really paying attention to the whole essence of the characters and stories that had gone before. I think the Title Crawls however are the least of the problems in all of these movies!!!
Those phrases sound like headlines on corporate media networks, for sure.
😝 'The dead speak!' made me cringe!
It’s much more coherent but it could some changes in certain places to actually be a solid film.
Such as?
@@DragonFellowship non ya
Yes. But the plot damage from 7 and 8 is simply irreparable. The idea that the Empire didn't just vanish after the death of Palpatine is fine but instead of a struggling faction it is presented as something even more powerful than the old Empire. Ridiculous. And that is just 1 big thing among docents of even bigger problems
Needs more Anakin... these guys were so concerned about how the people who didn't like the prequels could have acted if they have included Anakin that they forgot that Vader was Anakin, and that this was always all about him.
Wow, this script has worldbuilding and character development! No wonder Disney and Kathleen didn't approve of it. Rey's lightsaber staff would've been to big as a toy so they said, "Mesa gon give Jar Jar Abrams supreme power to put the final nail in the coffin of star wars!"
I would say the world building is bare minimum.
@@fightingmedialounge519 i can definitely appreciate the double lightsaber though, well its too late anyway because it all turned out shit
Let's think about why they instead decided to produced a movie whose sole purpose was to retcon TLJ??
At least Darth Sidious didn't just appear out of nowhere, and fouces that the frist Order is the main threat.
On this point alone make this a better story then jj abams.
Of course the standard bar is buried 6 feet under.
Yes, it's better
However, this whole trilogy is still a missed opportunity, a big one
I'll just make ONE example: Finn
We have a former storm trooper who is force sensitive who ISNT the main character????
At the end of the Force Awakens, I thought he _was_ supposed to be the main character!
I would say it's more coherent.
Because test audiences liked Poe. Poe originally died in the crash after rescuing Finn. The reason his return later in TFA seemed odd was because it was never planned to happen. So even in the first movie, "Written by Reddit" was a problem. Yes, it would have been epic if Finn had gone on to become the resistance leader.
@@johnterpack3940 Was there really not a more organic way they could fit him back into the movie, though, than to just have him show up out of nowhere at the end?
@@SeraphimCramer maybe. But it still would have ruined Finn's arc.
The story is still a mess, but at least the characters get to do something.
Explain how it was a mess it is actually a much better ? I thought the basic premise was brilliant . Sure it could do with a tiny bit more polishing but the premise is excellent . Consider the fact this draft was written before Carrie Fisher Died.. Luke Haunting Kylo and Kylo going to Mortis
@@TheSt1092 I do agree the scenario is pretty badass
Stephen Taylor utilizing Mortis and actually using Palpatine correctly (as a hologram) it seems like Collin might be the only Director/writer that understands Star Wars the best out of the sequel trilogy writers/directors.
@@ryanmccarthy7572 I'd like to see a trilogy done by him. The man seems to respect lore and stuff
How is it a mess when Colin has to follow up the clusterf*ck that was TLJ. There was almost nothing to work with after Rian 'subverted' our expectations. Being able to come up with an actual plot is a miracle unto itself.
this makes sense now, that the resistance got no response when they called for help in tlj... the first order was blocking all regular transmissions in the major systems. so nobody who mattered could hear the call.
The only alternative sequel trilogy I will entertain the thought of, is Timothy Zahn's. Oh no wait, that's not the alternative sequel trilogy, it's the _actual_ sequel trilogy.
Sounds like a better movie, but let's just all forget this trilogy ever happened and have Star Wars 1 - Mandalorian
The Anthony Pente Show hmm I’m not so confident about Mandalorian so far, hoping it gets better with a couple seasons under its belt. Like clone wars
@@rhiannejones3815 Understandable but it's the best we've got since Rogue One so I like that it makes me feel like a kid again, which is what Star Wars for me always used to be. I think the story telling is good but it's got plenty of time to keep world building like clone wars did
It's not perfect, but I found Robert's reading of it to be more exciting and interesting than seeing the release version in the theater.
Yeah, it seems a bit silly, but all Staw Wars movies are that. And this was way more cohesive than TROS.
@@zebbr0s well there's a difference between being silly and being a jumble.
When Jenny Nicholson read the entire script all the way through, it doesn't sound nearly as competent as that dude makes it out to. The character interaction isn't good by any means, not to mention the pairing of Rey and Poe and plenty of other weirdass shit that happens.
Ben should stay alive, broken and humble, fixing the galaxy and giving help to small one till the end of his long life. Always somwhere around, in the shadow. In the Rey's shadow.
I think soo too.
Rey’d Shadow Legends!
He would be the most wanted war criminal in the galaxy. Dude would be dead.
One thing I *really* like here, is the emphasis on how the FO impacts the galaxy's people. Honestly, that's been a weakness of ALL the movies, so it's good that someone kept that in mind. I'm skeptical of this as real, tho, wasn't Luke being alive and Leia being really significant major parts of CT's ideas? And I really don't see Mortis having a role in the movies...that almost certainly would have been changed.
Suppposedly, JJ Abrams and George Lucas intended for The Son of Mortis to be the ultimate villain in TROS...the rumor is that Matt Smith was to play him...apparently, KK and Disney didn't think the average movie-goer would "get it", so, they erased pretty much ALL of Lucas' ideas and attempts to right the Star Wars ship.
I heard the mortis arc was Lucas idea and was only brought in because rian killed Snoke and no one thought bringing sidious back made any sense
Lord Holmes and it didn’t
My guess is that CT wanted TLJ to be changed since Fisher died. RMB's synopsis of the script shows that it was dated BEFORE Fisher died. I can imagine that once she died, the only way to go with CT's story is to kill Leia off in TLJ and use Luke in the Leia role somehow. KK obviously balked at that idea since they kept her alive despite having a year to do reshoots on TLJ.
@@MauiDave74 Didn't Carrie Fisher die just before the release of The Last Jedi? I'm not sure how this allows enough time to reshoot, or even re-edit TLJ to kill off Leia. And even if you're right it assumes that they had already planned out the final part of the trilogy.
I personally think that using the legacy characters - Luke, Han Solo, Leia, and even Chewie, not to even start on Palpatine were handled so badly they shouldn't have even been in these movies at all. If you are having them in to bring along fans of the OT then you have to treat the characters with the respect they deserve and not just use them as window dressing, that doesn't get you anywhere, as has been seen with the handling of Luke, and even the bringing back of Palpatine from the dead.
I'd have been happier them not being there, and maybe only referenced in holograms or at places the new characters go to. Surely after the passing of Carrie Fisher, even if I'm right about the timescales, TLJ could have been adjusted so that Luke didn't die projecting himself across the galaxy, whilst Leia could have been given a much more minor role in the final movie in the trilogy, with Luke being given maybe a bit more of a redemption arc in the flesh. That would have somewhat appeased the fans of the Original Trilogy if done correctly.
I think the reason they didn't want to bring back Anakin is because he would've stolen the spotlight from their precious Rey since you know he's the true chosen one.
Destroyer94100 I think Disney did it because of hate he got in the prequels by a lot of fans which they probably didn’t want to get associated with it.
True. Rude Rey would have been sidelined and out of the spotlight. Hell they killed off Paige Tico (the hot pilot) probably in case she stole Rey's thunder as well.
Dark Jedi Knight Yeah I guess so
@@bossfire2515 I personally would have produced George Lucas' sequels which had the old heroes, the Force ghosts, proper new villains and proper new characters in it, including a red Twilek and a proper female lead called Kira Skywalker. I would have cast someone like Chloe Bennet as the Twilek Jedi Hunter, Anthony Hopkins as Plageuis and someone like Naomi Scott, or Olympia Valance as "Kira" (not Ridley).
Dark Jedi Knight nah I would keep Ridley in it
Tor Valum sounds a lot like a dark side version of the bendu which is a really cool concept
Bendu was kick ass in rebels, people that never watched dont realise how much cool stuff came out of it
Clone wars at home .
The irony here (assuming this is legitimate) is that CT actually tried to make a sequel to The Last Jedi: the movie that the powers at be supposedly thought was the greatest thing ever. If the fan backlash to The Last Jedi was really just a “vocal minority”, and everything was really hunky-dory, Lucasfilm should have had no issue with CT’s EP9.
Instead, they bring in JJ to go full retcon, because Disney and Lucasfilm knew that the ball had been dropped. The Last Jedi took a hatchet to every potential plot thread to the point where a faithful sequel just couldn’t be a sufficient spectacle.
All of this illustrates a sad lack of preparation and foresight by Kennedy and Iger.
That's the crazy part about all this. Colin Trevorrow's script (again, assuming it's legit) is an actual sequel to The Last Jedi. It very much runs with the idea that Rey is nobody and the Kylo, above all else, truly wants to forget the past, becoming powerful, and create his new thing... and that he dies wanting this.
@@thorskywalker Because Bob Iger actually was paying attention to what KK was doing this go round. TLJ is probably the one film in this trilogy he had no input in whatsoever. After the massive backlash from TLJ, he had no choice but to take back control.
It's a 2016 Draft RMB confirmed this draft was written days before Carrie Died
He also tried to make it a sequel to The Force Awakens. Something TROS isn't really that either. JJA always avoids his own stories.
@Shane Peterson comparing thor to fandom menace is an insult to him
I would’ve preferred a variation of this compared to TRoS. It seems more intimate and more character driven.
I like his version...I was warming up to the idea that Kylo ren was the main villain, even though collin had this other sith lord or whatever... it def has its faults but I kinda digged it... let's see what Thor thinks..
I've been watching RMB for about 5 years on RUclips going back to heroes on Collider, then the John Campea show, and now his own RUclips channel.
He's never done a "scoop," or rumor before. He's a director, editor and fan.
Right or wrong, I believe he believes this script is legit.
BTW true or false, duel of the fates is a much better title than rise of Skywalker, since I still don't understand why it's called that.
Phantom menace: there's a threat in the shadows.
Attack of the clones: a war involving clones start
Revenge of the sith: the sith wipe out all their enemies
A new hope: there's a new hero
Empire strikes back: the empire gets pissed about that new hope
The return of the Jedi: The Jedi return. (Luke or Anakin depending on how you interpret return)
The force Awakens: huh? What? Was it asleep? What does it mean now that it's awake? Did it awaken in someone, like Rey? The next movies never really answer that...
The last Jedi: a story about the last Jedi
The rise of Skywalker: huh? What Skywalker rose? Rose to what? Huh?
It was called ROS as a way to tell the people who hated how Luke was portrayed that ROS isn't going to disrespect their beloved characters.. and that ROS isn't going to kill the past... as much. It was all marketing.
@@aralornwolf3140 well it failed to do that for me
I think its because Ben rose from the dark side to the light, going from Kylo Ren to be Ben Solo, still would have liked Duel of Fates more
@@rockyseverino9230 ,
I didn't say how effective that marketing was.. or wasn't. I just explained why it existed.
P.s. I had no faith in the ST when Starkiller Base destroyed Not-Coruscant and de facto the Republic.
It'd be the final shot to name a movie as a famous track from another movie.
Simple Answer: Yes, Duel of the Fates is better than The Rise of Skywalker, although that wasn’t a very high bar to vault in the first place.
Rob is a big deal in Trek circles, and in broader nerd culture culture. He's absolutely reputable.
I actually liked it, actually got the feels and goosebumps over a few scenes.
If nothing else, they should have kept this title. "Duel of the Fates" sounds way cooler than the clusterfuck of a title they gave us
It is cool, but I still prefer "Balance of the Force". Or even "A Final Hope"!
@@HandofOmega both sound too predictable and on-the-nose. Duel of the Fates just sounds so cool
@@JacksonWitsell what about "Fate of the Galaxy?" I came up with that myself like a year before, knowing they'd never go with it but I think it sounds cool
@@darkflamepro me too, I once thought of that title too, but then I thought something badass right after it but can't remember what it was
"Duel of the Fates" is the title of one of the most amazing tracks from "The Phantom Menace". If the script is real, maybe the title was just to hide the one that was going to be official. It's a stunt most or all film studios do.
Everything sounds great on paper. There was moments in TROS script where I thought were going to be epic but fell somewhat flat. I feel the same with this script. Some great character arcs and seeing Corusant would have been epic, especially seeing warfare on the planet. Still portraying what is on paper on screen is different. The only thing I don’t get, where was the creative differences that made Colin walk away?
Not disregarding the last jedi.
But Disney completely was for what Rian Johnson had done. They always said it was just a minority who disliked TLJ. If I had my money on it, since this script was written to have Leia in most of it and Carrie supposedly died a week after this script was done. Plus TLJ wasn’t released yet, I just wonder if Colin wanted Rian to reshoot having Luke live to take over leia’s part in episode 9. Plus I don’t think Kennedy would’ve supported a Kylo blinding Rey across the face with saber strike. Then again idk. Just speculation, I just remember interviews from the actors and seemed this was the case.
Kye Dysarthria But Disney completely was for what Rian Johnson had done. They always said it was just a minority who disliked TLJ. If I had my money on it, since this script was written to have Leia in most of it and Carrie supposedly died a week after this script was done. Plus TLJ wasn’t released yet, I just wonder if Colin wanted Rian to reshoot having Luke live to take over leia’s part in episode 9. Plus I don’t think Kennedy would’ve supported a Kylo blinding Rey across the face with saber strike. Then again idk. Just speculation, I just remember interviews from the actors and seemed this was the case.
@@meast5599 From what I understand KK and Lucasfilm where in favor of Rian Johnsnon's vision (KK herself gave him a trilogy). The problem is that Bob Iger & Disney executives, and clearly JJ Abrams, don't undestand Star Wars; so they used their producer powers to outvote creative control out of KK. JJ being a producer placed himself as director again, like Bob Iger wanted. So the movie is Disney and JJ Abrams fault. And KK is actually the voice of reason, at least for the sequel trilogy (from which I understand JJ Abrams was never who she wanted to direct IX, it was Rian Johnson, but when he said he didn't have enough time she gave him a trilogy instead).
rosvel92 some what true take. But saying KK is the voice of reason is a questionable take. She has fired and replaced directors for nearly every franchise entry and there is only one director she has a positive relationship with & that is Rian Johnson who created a very devisive film. Nobody wanted to do Episode 9, even JJ didn’t want to. There’s an issue with KK In regards in handling this franchise, no plan for the sequel trilogy firing Josh Trank for the Boba Fett film, firing/replacing Garett Edwards with Tony Guilroy,, firing Treverow for episode 9, firing Lord & Miller for solo, D & D the Writers of Game of Thrones decided to walk away from Star Wars who were given a hefty contract, but due creative differences, and now delaying the Obi wan series due firing the writer, which the scripts were done since this past August. The series was supposed to start production this week. Im not opposed to Rian Johnson and I think he may bring an interesting take on Star Wars, but saying he knows more Star Wars than JJ, I have to disagree. There’s an issue with KK, it’s a trend and it’s very noticeable
I think Plagues should of been the 700 year old alien dude. It would be revealed that he is the one that is pulling the strings. And also we would find out that plagues is Snoke because Snoke is one of plagues clones. In other words, Plagues looks exactly looks how Snoke did but he was just another clone of plagues.
Tanner Aydelotte Darth Plagueis being the main villain in the sequel trilogy should’ve happened. Plagueis tells Kilo Ren everything. Him revealed to be Snoke, being the Darth Vader voice in his head, him creating the first order, and him waiting all this time in the prequels and originals would be a great payoff and would justify this trilogy’s existence. Having Rey and the force ghosts battle him would be great finale and doesn’t undermine Anakin’s sacrifice.
The_boss_slayer Sones exactly
It’s implied that Tor is plagueis but he has become something beyond the sith. Definitely needs more development
@@Fenrir767 Yes I concur. What SHOULD have happened is them using George Lucas' actual sequel scripts to begin with. In his original sequels, it was implied that the "Force story" was about the concept of immortality and the Force, involving the Whills as the overall higher beings in the galaxy, manipulating the Force. It sounds like Plageuis would be revealed to be alive and he has cast aside being a Sith, and pursued what he perceives as a greater goal, to control the Force itself. Lucas sounds like he would have shown us Leia uniting the galaxy (and reunifying it by saga's end) with the Alliance and Imperial Remnant versus a combination of "evil" factions of warlords, criminals and a hidden army led by Plageuis. Luke passing on what he had learned to his own daughter and a next generation of Jedi students. Multiple worlds, a finale on Coruscant etc. I.e. a proper story continuing and concluding from the old and forming ONE SAGA from the get go instead of the mindless aimless TFA. In the Colin cut, I don't think they went with Lucas' story since it continues from the mess that is TFA and TLJ, but yes it would appear that Tor is Plageuis. Coruscant is good, but the whole thing still lacks any coherence versus the Lucas (i.e. the creator's) vision and actual storytelling.
I think this was the idea at some point, maybe when TFA was conceived. But the keystone to this entire saga is a twist in ESB, and when half the fandom theorized Plageuis factors into all this, the creators thought "But that ruins our twist ending!" Even though anyone paying attention to the movies would know that a Plageuis reveal would tie together the trilogies. And here's something that aspiring writers need to be told, unfortunately: IT'S OKAY for your story to make SENSE!
"But rule of two!" Easy workaround. Plageuis had no desire for political power. His desire was evil for the sake of evil. He found a way to operate outside the construct. A phantom menace, if you will.
"But Palpatine said he couldn't save himself from dying!" Oh the bad guy might have bent the truth? For shame! Or maybe Plageius lied by "dying". Or frankly, what good is immortality if you ca't use it? This is just us fiddling in RUclips comments. Point being, if this were our job, it seems we could come up with any number of plausible ways to tell a good story...even if the outcome were somewhat predictable.
They certainly could have as well. They just got scared after TLJ, and went back to a familiar well.
This is getting out of hand! Now there are three of them:
- Disney's TRoS which is awful
- JJ's cut which we deserved... and
- Colin's Duel of the Fates which we
wanted ❤
I feel that way except with trilogies...
This is getting out of hand, now there are three of them
I doubt the JJ cut actually exists.
@@lukewylie1377 They have confirmed there were real talks about splitting TRoS in two parts. So they must have had a lot of material and then he suddenly just wants to cut it all the way to 2 h 22 mins?
ROS is JJs cut
Is this is what it’s like to be first? What incredible power!
As for the script: no darth jar jar and no anakin means a no from me dawg.
I could easily make minor changes to any of these movies that would improve them greatly, but ultimately the real problem is that the owners don't particularly care to make something great. It's like music.. you can nake pop songs and rake in cash, or you can make art. The art might get you Bohemian Rhapsody, but it might net you nothing.
Even Bohemian Rhapsody was panned when it was first released. When making art, there's never any guarantee how it will be received at first, or twenty years later, which is why real art has to be a labour of passion, not just looking to make money, & why Disney will likely never put out any sort of real art any time soon.
The Art might get you Bohemian Rapsody, pop songs might get you the rest of Queen discography ^^
I called Rey having a saber-staff a while ago...would have been esp cool as *naginata* (basically a katana on a staff) was a traditional weapon for female Samurai! Actually, it might still be...do we ever actually SEE her complete saber at the end? It's clearly built from her staff, maybe it IS inside of it...
I always thought she would look great with a Sabre staff. Daisy visually has a Satele Shan vibe going. I thought Daisy looked great. Too bad the writing was bad.
Uhm dude... We called the saber staff from the teaser in 2014....
She has a nice butt. A lot nicer than Yoda’s
Hand -of-Omega You can see her new saber on her hip during that final Tatooine scene when she’s sliding down the hill. It’s a normie saber.
I was bummed too when I realized it.
@@TheBigGuppy You can have a like, but only for the Yoda comment.
Sith draining the living force is a skill pioneered by the force wound Nihilius
Perfect title opportunity wasted.
I could see Disney scrapping this script entirely purely for the inclusion of Coruscant and Chancellor Hux. Disney would rather have real life politics then world building politics.
@@dillybar1931 I think *most* star wars fans at least accept the prequels.
”than” not ”then” 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦♂️
RRREEEEE Disney sjw
bruh what real world politics did TROS even try to have? Yeah the movie was pretty shyte but I didn't see any agenda behind it
Also Lucas literally said how George Bush & the war on terror partially inspired ROTS and the prequels lmao
@@LordScreech It was at least subtle about it.
WHAT FUCKING REAL WORLD POLITICS DO YOU STUPID RIGHT WING CRACKHEADS SEE IN THESE NEW MOVIES THAT WERENT IN THE PAST FILMS??? THEYRE JUST A FUCKING MESS, YOU DONT HAVE TO TIE YOUR OWN BIGOTED STUPID ASS IDENTITY POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS TO IT!!
just like Luke Anakin would steal every scene he's in
Hux should've been Mon Mothma's son.
His rivalry with Kylo Ren would've had a deeper meaning.
The sons of the two most prominent women of the Rebellion.
Yadda yadda.
That would have been very interesting to see.
I believe Mortis was in CT’s version of the movie because The Balance of the Force was a big theme in the early scripts and Mortis’ whole ark was basically all about the Balance of the Force in the Clone Wars Series.
I feel like episode VIII and episode IX would have been better if they hadn’t killed off Luke Skywalker. The most powerful Jedi EVER dies from force exhaustion.
I liked the way Luke went out. It didn’t seem stupid
It also reminds you that not even Luke is a god and he cannot do whatever he want without consequence. Plus I think Anakin was more powerful
So the reasoning behind pulling Collin off this project and putting in JJ to “save” this trilogy was all about money. I mean that has to be it, Disney/Lucasfilm must’ve felt that Collins movie wasn’t going to make a lot of money so they put JJ in charge because they knew he could make a movie with a bunch of “member berries” to make people feel smart that they see things they remember and like the flashy action scenes.
Maybe. But from what I can tell this script is FULL of memberberries and callbacks
Frank Severino there are a few call backs but JJ used TFA and Rise of Skywalker as full on montages. They didn’t focus on any new character at all. It just focused on oh we have to find Luke and we’re going to show you all this stuff that you recognize to make you feel smart for remembering. Oh now you have to find Palpatine but before you do JJ has to string you along with a bunch of remembering before you get to palpatine.
@@ryanmccarthy7572 I guess. I'm just saying half the dialogue from this script seems to be direct quotes or call backs plus face scarring kylo like Palpatine, kylo fighting Vader in a vision like Luke did, a hologram of leia pleading for help.
This script is full of memberberries
Frank Severino I don’t know I’m Rise of Skywalker JJ literally starts out with R2 getting secret data and then Poe skipping through a bunch of places we’ve seen. Then we go to see Rey train with that training ball and the helmet that blocks her sight. Poe comes back with the falcon and then they head off to a desert planet and “find” Lando. Lando tells them about finding that. C3P0 then says some line that he says all the time. They sink in quicksand (because TFA). Chewie gets captured and then Poe Finn and Rey have to rescue the hero while shooting every stormtrooper without even looking at them. The imperials ask “who’s ship is this?” I’m sorry the First Order troops ask. Before saving Chewie they had to go to some planet to erase 3P0s memory so we can remember 3P0. There we see Rey kick everyone’s ass like on Jakku (wow she’s very good at using her staff). The biggest of them all Palpatine just being there and shooting lightning. I’m surprised someone in Rise of Skywalker didn’t have a line saying (after they saw the Final Order fleet) “So they’re big, there’s always a way to blow them up.” That reminds me “The Final Order” remember Order 66 where we saw Jedi die, remember that this Final Order is going to be WORSE! Also Palpatine just shooting lightning... yeah just lightning, nothing with the force or even a lightsaber just lightning for those visuals and memory. Oh yeah and the Death Star remains to find the mcGuffin. JJ seems to need a Mary Sue and a mcGuffin to tell his stories because of he tries to do anything else he would actually make his characters look human for once.
In Colin’s script the only call backs were quotes or something that seems that would have lasted for maybe 5 minutes at the most. From watching these videos about Colin’s script it seems like he was trying want the Mandalorian is doing. Showing us some cool moments and things that we’ve seen in the past but ultimately is giving us a new product. Especially since Colin wanted to make Kylo go to Mortis, which is something that I think would’ve been better to see Kylo vs. Rey on Mortis instead of some random Sith planet that Palpatine was hiding on because he used the Mary poppins power at the end of Episode 6. The Rise of Skywalker literally wont let you and can’t let you think. You’re to busy seeing everything that you love, there’s nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with that when the final movie for a saga literally retcons every single movie.
@@rockyseverino9230 I think it's fine to have memberberries as long as they're baked into the batter of the story in a way that makes sense and not just plopped on top of the frosting for decoration.
When rey says to Finn “people can change, you taught me that”, that would have been so great to include. Not only does it add depth to rey’s compassion and finn’s as well, but it would also (had they kept Kylo alive and revert back to his light side roots) serve as a proper lead towards kylo’s redemption, at least in a more meaningful way compared to the one we see on screen. I don’t agree with the force ghosts helping rey defeat him, or having him killed in general, but that’s just me. Other than that, I like to visualize scenes like this to let us get in the minds of the characters and show us how they learn and grow rather than just cheap one liners and proceed on a Michael bay action pace.
DaveMac95 no one helped her win. the match was a draw because they both died. (Rey only was In what I assume to be purgatory) I can’t explain the full thing cause it’s too long but it’s also very very very very very emotionally awesome and I suggest you read the whole thing. It actually rivals other SW films and is probably the closest thing we’ll get to a rated R Disney Star Wars movie or at least more mature. If I can explain Rey here , If this movie was the one that came to be, people’s favorite female Jedi would change from asoka to Rey if not liking them both because her character development along with everyone else’s is literally amazing.
It also would've been cool if they went back to the temple and turned on the signal that Yoda and Obi-Wan turned off during Order 66 that told all remaining Jedi to come back, and then a bunch of living Jedi that were in hiding just pop up at the same time along with the force ghosts. Far fetched but kinda cool to think about.
I love this if we could have gotten this PLUS the redemption arc for Ben. To see him go darker and still come back would have been great and better yet if he could be instrumental in creating peace and live to atone like vader couldn't. Sounds like this ending would have been as depressing and Darth Caedus' story
The Knight's of Ren were in the Rise of Skywalker? I must have blinked.
I think Anakin should’ve showed up at least twice in the rise of skywalker as a force ghost once after Kylo Ren finds the emperor. Anakin then speaks to warn Kylo of the emperor’s deceitful and manipulative ways. Then the next would be when Rey confronts the emperor along with Luke’s and Obi wan’s force ghost and a redeemed Ben Solo and they could’ve gave him a line like “We’ve come to put an end to you once and for all my old master”. I think fans would’ve been satisfied with that
This is so much better! Why was this scrapped!?!
Blame toxic fandom
Duel of the Fates: a beloved song that brings many people happiness and also works very well in the context
Real Star Wars has only six episodes.
This whole "trilogy" is a disease impossible to cure.
A damage impossible to repair.
It is best left to be forgotten.
Just like the infamous Holiday Special.
Real Star Wars has only six episodes.
Ewok Movies included?
Real Star Wars only has three episodes.
@@fazepapasito8166 The Prequels actually fit into and add to the story of Star Wars. They don't contradict, or undermine the lessons and achievements of the Original Trilogy like the Sequels. Star Wars is one big story and the Sequel Trilogy doesn't fit into that story at all.
Faze and turtle u are so damn wrong
Real star wars only has three episodes.
fuck the prequels I know everyone loves them now because we have a new trilogy to hate but they are awful like seriously guys.
It would have been cool to see Rey with a yellow double-bladed lightsaber and a fighting style similar to Darth Maul.
This is like the multicrapverse and we somehow get different crappy versions of this Trilogy.
Honestly, I don't care what version of Ep IX we receive(d) as it won't replace the fact that this Trilogy is and was directionless. There would still be no outline and singular vision for the Trilogy, except for political notions and agendas. That's it.
This would be like putting a bandaid on a broken bone and calling it fixed and I'm not saying you mentioned or hinted towards this at all. Just my thoughts.
Calling this 'Duel of the Fates" would be an insult to both John Williams and the fight scene between Maul, Kenobi, and Jinn
There are two very small concepts within the Trilogy that work for me and my version of the Sequel Trilogy and they are Leia being banned and the Knights of Ren,. Yea, that's pretty much it. Undoing every character arc of the original Legends that were excellently told over the original three films for the sole sake of just doing it is utter garbage.
Duel of the fates by john williams is so damn good top tier music love john williams talent
I left a similar comment on SW Theory when he covered this but I feel that with some changes this should have been the episode 8 script.
Here's why: the Resistance fights instead of flees and is a cohesive unit with no high-ranking officers giving troops a hard time (cough Holdo cough), Kylo the villain with the most screen time dies halfway through the trilogy leaving us with Snoke and the 7000 year old dark side creature as main villains going forward, Rey has doubts and struggles to overcome so the audience can hope she wins instead of having no investment in her since she obviously wins all the time.
If this was episode 8, imagine where the story could go for episode 9. Especially with the new knowledge of this 7000 year old creature responsible for training sith and releasing them onto the galaxy through all three trilogies and even earlier.
The one thing I've always thought would work was the Knights of Ren being the main antagonists of this movie. They would be given insight and depth on not only themselves, but Snoke and how Snoke recruits them. They would also be a good mirror of the kind of thing Kylo wanted to be until they do something like, kill Leia or something. He faces off against the very thing he thought he wanted to be until the light pulls him to who he should be. Just an idea. J.J. Abrams acted like he had nothing to work with when in reality, he had alot more to use than he thought.
Rose being Tortured? I'm in.
Rose being tortured with a feather tickling her feet, with graphic, up close detail..... I'm out.
In this episode: The writer's undisguised fetish.
It doesn't seem to matter who Disney get, they only hire people who can't write a damn. How is anyone supposed to be happy with a trilogy where Han dies and his son also dies? Do these fools not get that due to the Han and Leia connection, people were naturally inclined to cheer for Kylo/Ben? Disney really needed someone like Christopher Nolan working on this trilogy from the start. All the Marvel people will only give us soulless future Star Wars movies.
Marvel? I don't think any of the disney sw movies had marvel directors. The mandolorian was great and it had a marvel director helping.
The funny thing is this plot is exactly what was put out there a long time ago via channels like Mike Zeroh.
They REMOVED Anakin from the SEQUEL'S because DISNEY'S entire PLAN for Star Wars is to SUPERSEDE ALL Lucas Era characters and replace them with properties that they own SOLELY!
This doesn’t make sense, they still include and build plenty of Lucas Era characters?? Han, Leia, C-3PO, Wedge Antilles, etc. Yeah I can see them being greedy and putting their characters to the forefront, but there’s absolutely no way they could just erase the characters like that. Too much uproar.
Jack Eisenberg except that’s exactly what they’ve done now .....
Rhianne Jones In the movies they may be dead (and I don’t think they could live forever in-universe regardless), but in other canon outlets like books, comics, TV? They’ll never go away, they’re too much of a backbone for Star Wars as a whole
Ya but what they needed to do was a send off, not a Serial Killing.
This doesn't even makes sense.
The prequels are just not very good films and werent in line with what disney wanted to do, which was appeal to the OG trilogy fans.
Not saying they did this well, but thats the truth.
Honestly the most energizing and hope and stealing piece of knowledge is that where the ultimate deciding factor when it comes to the present and future! If you don't agree with the connection that Disney has 2 the SWU then through all means in regards to rise of Skywalker and everything else Disney or just in regards to anything, our voice and our actions through our support is always the deciding factor! I personally believe that a re-release should be done, and our official day of May 4th should be the launch pad!)
I can't stop thinking about what we could have had if George had passed the key to his legacy to basically anybody else on the planet but Kathleen.
The title is great and fitting for what should have been the final chapter of the sequel we never got.. Of course Anakin should have been involved somehow, the Vader helmet was there why not Anakin. I think the holocrone could have been since between ANH and ESB and that Vader saved it. I also think that this old sith creature, Tor Volum, might have been a part of all siths training program, so Plagius might have sent Palpatine there as well. I don't thing this draining living force out of others is something that is really fitting, it's a bit as the stupid thing that Starkiller base drained the sun from energy. I also think that when Poe says the old republic tech is much better then the crap we get today is not only a set up for going back to the old republic at some point, but also a slap in the face to our own world. I mean the crap we by today is flashy and all but it breaks down and is quite useless in just a few years. wile stuff from the 50's still works.
Depends on what you mean by "better." It sounds better written and more cohesive to TLJ, but ultimately, it still doesn't matter because it's built on a terrible premise that destroys Star Wars as a setting. There's no fixing that in a world where TLJ happens.
It doesn't destroy the Star Wars premise at all it world builds and expands the mythology something only the original SW and ESB if anything it gives it more realism . If directed well enough
@@TheSt1092 TLJ absolutely destroyed Star Wars, and there is no Star Wars where TLJ happens. Period. If you want that, fine, but as for me, no story, no matter how well told, is going to redeem what that movie did to the setting and its heroes.
Think I’m going to watch the prequels and the originals. I’ve just giving up being angry at Disney and no longer care.
Or watch the Mandalorian, given it's finally giving Star Wars some genuine respect
Drain Life was a force power in the EU. I've loved the concept. I just want it to be handled right
The Sith Emperor could drain the life force of the entire planet. Thor Skywalker is such a fluke if he doesn’t know such a basic SW fact... such a joke
I say he's more taken aback by it then anything else.
@@challopea considering most people dont connect the power palpatine describes in the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise to force healing, despite them being the same thing..........
Palpatine possibly had more than one mentor.
The script says tor vallum is actually pleiguis master.
I believe it is real, due to leaked images from the Art of the rise of Skywalker book showing a few of these scenes in concept form.
The inclusion of Kuat as such is such a great bow to lore (EU) that you can already feel that those people actually care about what they are doing and know their Star Wars.
TFA and TLJ made it impossible to give this series a proper finale. The Saga ended in Return of the Jedi, the Abrams/Johnson trilogy is just a lackluster series that takes place 30 years after the end of the saga.
This script really wouldn’t improve things much if at all imo.
I concur. The only script on screen I would like to have seen is George Lucas' actual sequel story outline. Otherwise, the story should be allowed to end with respect and dignity at ROTJ. I wasn't a fan of TLJ, but for me TFA messed things up. Because it didn't even give a "reason to exist". As in why the story isn't finished yet. Whereas it sounds like Lucas was going to show Luke "passing on what he had learned" as per Yoda's wish and an actually hidden overall villain with the concept of the Whills, destiny, Plageuis, etc as well as reunifying the galaxy by Leia. Instead TFA doesn't explain a damn thing, tears down the very premise of the former episodes, doesn't continue the story, and worse focuses on RANDOM characters which in a family saga makes zero sense.
Dark Jedi Knight Exactly, TFA gets way to much credit imo
@@griffinshearer8265 I agree! I feel really sad. I went in spoiler free to see TFA expecting to see the great sequel to ROTJ and George's story. I left feeling confused and a bit empty, and nothing like how I felt the first time I saw ANH, or after leaving the cinema ecstatic after ROTS. When I found out they had thrown out George's story, suddenly the total absence of continuation, or a plot made sense. TFA started this mess. You shouldn't have to have another film (let alone comics) to explain what the hell the story is. TFA forgets to do the BASIC thing of being Episode SEVEN. It's meant to be the seventh instalment of one greater whole, like a chapter in a book. Instead it acted like some totally separate movie series with random parody cameos from old actors. What a waste. TLJ is bad, but TFA started this. The best analogy I can think of is the old story (you can find it on Google/Wikipedia) of "The Emperor's New Clothes". That perfectly sums up the blind applause given to TFA.
@@griffinshearer8265 Tbh I blame the fact that the copying of the OT lead to more nostalgia.
Hey disney executives!: RELEASE THE JJ CUT OF TROS!!!!!
Duel Of the Fates: Freedom
Rise Of Skywalker: Its A Trap!!!!!
7:29 that shot of Jar Jar... **shutters** . The actor did his best, and can’t be blamed for the lines and what he was told to do.
I prefer the title, “Duel of the Fates” for the Episode 9, even for the version we got.
Why no Anakin? I think this there is a perception that Hayden Christensen, thus Pre-Dark-Side Anakin, ranks up there with Jar-Jar Binks for negative reactions with fans, so any appearance of Anakin would risk additional ire of the fans, which they obviously wanted to minimize this time.
In my mental re-write of Episode 9, after Kylo was confronted by the memory of his father and turns and throws his light saber. He would have turned back and seen Anakin and maybe Luke. This would have signified that Ben completed his return to the light side.
There could have been potential for key conversations with these force ghosts that would have illuminated the Skywalker legacy. One could have been how balance in the Force does not mean that there are equal numbers of Jedi and Sith as is believed by much of the fandom and was intimated in TLJ, but means the absence of the Dark Side in power, or whatever it means according to Abrams, Kennedy, the Star Wars Story Group, Disney, or whoever. Or, maybe the conversation could have given Ben greater purpose and motivation for following Rey. Or, even the future of the Light Side or something that would have portrayed what was trying to be accomplished from a big-picture perspective.
The one addition to the lore that RoS makes that I liked was why the Emperor wanted Rey and previously Luke to strike him down. The old master lives on in the new master through this transfer. It explains a lot.
Is this how Darth Plagueis found a way to live forever, or did he just discover that the Sith Lords had been living on through the apprentices that killed their masters from the beginning? The previous saga episodes now have new under currents and conversations take on new meaning with this addition including potentially the story of .Sheev Palpatine and his creation of a family and subsequent turn to the Dark Side.
This entire trilogy was a sad attempt at making the Prequel haters happy. They tried to remake the OT and in doing so made the OT characters irrelevant. Ironic.
Thanks for the video! And yes, I enjoy your longer videos, and the shorter ones. All your videos are great.
I may be jumping to conclusions, but this script does sound much better than the actual Episode IX. In particular I liked that the main villains are Kylo and The First Order, it doesn't undermine the earlier movies by bringing back the Emperor. And it seems like the characters are much ore developed. Rey in particular has to fight for survival and actually struggles, which makes her more relatable than the demigod in the movie. Also, the older characters are better used.
But the main reason I like this script is the way it was presented, with RMB reading it to us and adding his spontaneous commentary, then other channels taking up the story and doing the same thing. It reminded me of the way I experienced the original trilogy back in the 80's: first there'd be the comic book version of each movie and the novelization, and based on that my friends and I would talking and speculate endlessly about what was coming. We'd have our own little story sessions in schoolyards and living rooms, acting out what we'd heard and what we'd like to see with our action figures. Then, when the movie finally arrived months later it'd be this huge EVENT that was both familiar and strange at the same time. It felt like we owned the story in a way, because we'd been listening to it and adding to it for so long.
I probably wouldn't have watched any version of episode 9. My issue with episode 9 is that TLJ derailed the trilogy, and the access media attacked fans that disliked the movie.
Disney could have stopped the attacks at any point but they didn't. I cannot bring myself to spend any money on Disney Star Wars right now.
TFA derailed the trilogy. I don't give a damn if you enjoyed it, the fact of the matter is that it's not George Lucas's vision.
Jesus christ the last jedi came out 2 fucking years ago, get over it! It's not even that bad, you guys are acting as if the last jedi killed your entire family. Also who cares if disney didn't stop the media from attacking people people that hates the last jedi? Oh boo hoo the Multibillion dollar company that has way better things to do isn't protecting you from people bullying you on the internet. And finally saying the trilogy is derailed just because lucas isn't working on them is childish. Disney owns it, fucking get over it. There's plenty of enjoyment to get out of both the force awakens and the last jedi. And even if you hate the last jedi it isn't an objectively terrible film, a horribly flawed film yes but it is by no means unwatchable. It's not like it's the rise of skywalker that has literally nothing to enjoy about it. If you man babies are going to whine about a film then at least whine about the film that actually deserves the hate.
@@thegreatcannoli189 such as?
What film deserves hate more than one that includes the character assassination of a character as iconic as Luke skywalker?
@@Missingno_Miner Oh, don't feed the trolls, that just makes them feel tingly.
I agree that there was no reason to attack fans that didn't like the film as much as that happened. I will also say though there were many fans who went way overboard with their dislike for a film. I know I tend to be in the minority on the internet on SW videos, but I loved TLJ and I enjoy the direction they went with Luke. It was cool to see the Disney canon expand on Luke's search to learn about the Jedi History flaws and all and see him be somewhat human in his response to his mistakes. Personally I got annoyed with the old EU luke where he was basically just Goku for the star wars universe and learn whatever power/skill he needed to win. The thing I ultimately disagreed with was Luke going to the dark side in the old EU. that seemed worse than anything that happened in TLJ.
Midnight's Edge, with RMBs permission, put together a pretty good Super Cut; which included the final fight between Kylo and Rey, him ultimately finding redemption by saving her life, R2 nearly being destroyed as well as repaired, Rey having a conversation with Force Ghosts Luke/Yoda/Obi Wan, finding Balance in the Force between Light/Dark, and at the end film she begins rebuilding the Jedi Order. BTW, I also think Anakin should have played a larger role in Episode IX.
Luke was enough and therefore imo Anakin wasn't needed.
It was fine that romance was left out of it pretty much all versions. However, if Rey was to get together with any of the men in this film, I agree that it should've been Finn!
I always preferred poe. But I think this trilogy should have left out the romance, at least for the main character.
Eh.. Kylo was given a chance to turn back at the end of Last Jedi; Snok was gone, Rey offered for him to come back, and he probably wouldve been forgiven by Luke and Leia (probably not Chewy). But he said "Fuck that noise!" And told Rey to rule the galaxy with him, Anakin style.
So he, in the face of freedom and being his own agent, made the willing choice to be a bad boy. So he shouldnt really get the redeems, unless the end of Last Jedi was changed and he sided with Rey.
Then they could even confront a certain voice in the distance that corrupted him, and take down the first order (redeeming Kylo for helping it off the ground).
Tbh, I’ve found that every set of movies has had revisions that I didn’t like.
ROTJ could’ve had Wookiees instead of Ewoks.
The prequels could’ve handled the clone wars better and spent more time developing good character dialogue. Maybe make Anakin older, or remove the “attachments is forbidden” portion of the Jedi Code. Some of the novelizations before the prequels painted a very different Clone Wars, etc.
The sequels could’ve had a cohesive story that included more of Anakin Skywalker’s legacy and less “new ideas” that broke the lore established by the original 6. It could’ve focused on descendants of the original characters.
At this point, I’ve come to accept that Star Wars can’t be made perfect by talking about what could have been. But hopefully future writers and directors will take notice...we don’t like plot holes or poor character development, and we don’t like rehashing old stories.
Nothing wrong with ewoks. They're awesome. They're adorable yet disturbing. They were going to cook and eat our beloved characters for gods sake.
ROTJ is the best episode imo.
Doesn't really sound awesome
What you said about prequels, The clone wars both Cartoon and 3d, Battlefront 2, Republic commando, And Revenge of Sith game got it covered.
It would be cool if when Kylo threw the helmet off the balcony the camera pans up and down and it shows kylo throw the helmet and the camera goes down following the helmet, and then the camera pans back up to reveal anakains force ghost behind him. It would be one last shootout to Hayden Christensen and be cook cinematography.
Remember, this is the version where Luke died in ep8. Imagin how cool of a send off CT would have given him if they hadn't killed Luke...
I like it, but I will say it’s probably because of hindsight. Let’s say we got this and then we heard JJ wanted to do one. People would be saying that what we got really got was better than Trevorrow’s.
I really don’t like the idea of Poe having a thing for Rey. However mind-tricking him by kissing him is fucking hilarious.
Rob's legit, Thor. I'm a subscriber of his, a frequent contributor to his show with many letters that I've written. Not sure if you have to give a listen, but it's worth it. Even if you don't, take my word about him. He's just the messenger on this one, and he's really just offering up this script to all of us to peruse and ponder about.
Star Wars. Episode IX. Duel of the Fan Fictions. In my opinion, this is a better overall draft of episode IX, than TROS.
if Anakin was in the balcony scene, I was thinking he should have said something like "You're trowing that away. Good... but its for the wrong reasons" or something.
This entire trilogy was a farce, broke the canonization of Star Wars, and has no real reason for existing in the universe whatsoever.
Long Forgotten
Agreed...and this “Duel of the Fates” version of episode 9 wouldn’t have saved the sequel trilogy...episode 8 ruined any chance for a dignified ending to the saga
No movie needs to exist
Christopher Marabella except for material culture.
@@vietnamd0820 I don't really agree. Imo if we wanna be strict 7 broke the saga by not "restoring the balance" with anakin. But if you wanna do a sequel it's obvious that there has to be an enemy, so let's disregard that. The 9 broke the saga even further by reviving Palpatine (and not anakin) who was the dumbest thing one could do.
The two major critics that i hear about 8 are the "change" in Luke and the "democratic force for all". For luke it can certainly be hurtful for some fans but it down't really break the saga continuity and for the force, christ in the prequels we have tens of thousand of jedi it's not like only the sky walkers can wield it.
So for me 7 and 9 have done a better job at destroying the saga, than 8
@@razthegun9715
7, 8 and 9 are all a mess.
7: Han Solo goes back to smuggling? Ridiculous. He was so important to the rebellion that it would be surprising if he ever needed to work again. Why wouldn’t he be taken care of by the new republic?
8: Luke gives up on the Jedi because Ben Solo turned evil. Yet Luke knows Obi Wan didn’t give up when Anakin turned evil. And where’s the force ghosts of Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda to guide Luke prior to Luke cutting himself off from the Force?
9: Palpatine is back, ruining the plot line of Anakin fulfilling the prophecy of restoring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith.
Frankly, the ST could've been epic, if it was written in a consistent and coherent manner that didn't rely on nostalgia, contrivance, or diverting from a character's motivation and their core essence.
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You should check out the Duel of The Fates Podcast, which is essentially an unofficial radio dramatization of this script and ideas, which is really well done. As for my feelings, some sort of mutant hybrid of this and TROS would have probably worked for a solid conclusion. There were really a lot of elements that I liked about both stories.
Wait, so this was written BEFORE the Last Jedi came out? No wonder it seems as though the entire trilogy no plan whatsoever.
Yes but " written before the last jedi came out " does not mean " written before the last jedi was written " lol
@@stamkos33 Yeah, actually. You're right.
Overall this is a marginally better-sounding story than what we got in The Rise of Skywalker, though to be sure that's not a high bar. I have problems with this story, of course. I actually don't like the title "Duel of the Fates" because it would be confused with the song of the same name. I like that Rey has a lightsaber staff; that's what she should have gotten to begin with. It's good that the Knights of Ren are developed but it's too late; that should have been done in The Force Awakens. I like that there's interaction between Luke and Kylo Ren, and just more Luke in general. Obviously no revived Palpatine is a big boon. The whole call for help plot is ridiculous; another MacGuffin quest instead of doing the hard work of fighting a galactic-scale war. Pretty much everything that happens with Rey, Kylo, Torvallum, Remnacore, Mortis, etc. in the second half sounds dumb.
Am I the only one to think that DotF should have been playing when Rey and Kylo fight on the Death Star?
We were promised DOTF!
Someone edited it into the scene, look it up. It surprisingly out of place. Too much over the sound of the waves splashing.
@@IceSkateUpHilll Um, we were? I missed that memo...Oh well, at least I have the soundtrack, so I can play it when I watch that scene at home!
That track is way to Epic for the weak ass anticlimactic battle
@@62crazylegs Dunno...the battle itself is cool imo but yea Duel of the fates is fast paced and epic. Maybe a slower, more dramatic variation of it would do🤔
The point you made about Anakin is so true.
As much as I love almost everything Star Wars. Nobody will be able to capture the magic of the OT. It was the perfect space fantasy with perfect actors for their roles. It was and might still be the greatest movie trilogy every made. ESB is the peak of Star Wars and always will be. I wish Disney would just stop making anything Star Wars related, they’re ruining and diminishing the legacy and impact the OT had on the real world.
Idk man, as much as I love the OT, ROTJ was a slightly weak conclusion. Compare that to Lord of the Rings and the ending that Return of the King provided; Tolkien was a master storyteller.
OT,was lighting in a bottle. Practicality impossible to duplicate this 30 years later.
Also, ROTJ is my personal favorite.
@@BlargeMan still, it was a far better ending than the one on rise of Skywalker.
I think this would have been better, but not optimal or satisfying as an ending. At least there were a lot of interesting ideas floating around in this script rather than just re-hashing the emperor as the main villain because... reasons...