That’s, that’s not what happened. The meticulous planning was to essentially get the ball rolling. While the Death Star was destroyed, the Empire fragmented and the Sith still existed in the shadows. Not to mention, look at the movie timeline you’re referencing.... a crazy amount of time passed from Return of the Jedi to Rise of Skywalker..... mostly all of your argument is explained in the movies, you don’t even need expanded universe knowledge
@@Wyatt274 I mean, you kinda do need some background info. Like he had literally an army of star destroyers to take out some ships in TLJ. How come he didn't just use that same amount of star destroyers to destroy the rebellion when he owned an Empire?
@@deadman4167 because the weapons didn’t exist during that time. Remember the destroyers were fitted with micro “star killer base” cannons on each ship.... star killed base happened well after the fall of the Empire when the First Order was pushing. First order also being controlled in the shadows by Palpatine through Snoke who was a failed clone that survived
@@Wyatt274 I liked Palpatine when he was capable of engineering a crisis in a way that eliminated his main opponents (the Jedi) and essentially placed him in a position of power legally. As for the “lots of time has passed” argument, a quick check tells me that the Battle of Exegol takes place just 35 years after the Battle of Yavin, hardly enough time to build a fleet in the shadows that size, along with the crew needed. Personally, I’d be happier if we were just done with Sidious since we had six episodes of him and he was already greatly portrayed in those episodes both as a great politician/manipulator and a generic irredeemable dark lord.
To be fair, Poe saying that makes sense, that's what he was told, it's the fact they don't elaborate on this and just say "Clone Dark Magic thing" that's insulting
I don't think so, I was willing to let it slide that he "somehow" returned. The point where I felt insulted was when the pure existence of this massive Star Destroyer Fleet was reveiled. Like what the fuck? Where do they all come from? How did they get the ressources to assemble this armada without anyone noticing? Where did their crews come from? And how could they sustain themselves without massive transport fleets flying to and from Exegol delivering fuel, food and other ressources? The very existence of this fleet and that nobody noticed it is what makes the least amount of sense in the new Star Wars movies. I was willing to buy all the other stuff that made no sense if it would lead to something good, but it only lead to the most nonsensical fleet in the history of fleets.
@@Court8 there is some really good Vader comics that try to pull something together to make it work, but at the end of the day a 3 part movie series shouldn't need a comic to explain something that vital..
They really shouldn’t even know who palpatine is. They should’ve just said “the emperor, “ but half of them were born after the fall of the empire anyway. So they wouldn’t know.
A new hope was written as a standalone film. George Lucas had no idea there would be even a second film. But yeah, at least having SOME idea of what would happen next might have helped the sequel trilogy
iletyoucallmestevesy difference being George Lucas’s wrote all those movies by himself. These movies were passed from person to person with no real intent in mind
iletyoucallmestevesy yes but actually no. While episode could technically work as stand alone it was never created as one. I mean think about the ending.... vader still alive, the empire weakened but still existened? Doesnt really make sense right buddy. Also he confirmed he already had the idea of the old republic and clone wars back then(obi wan tells luke about them) but back then it wasnt possible to realize massive droid and clone battles with the technology. To sum it up you are wrong and really should know it
@@M1ch43l33 Um.... No. It was a standalone movie, the end. That's why it was just called Star Wars and was later given a different title to fit in a series. Obi-Wan talking about the old Republic does NOT imply other movies. That's called "backstory." Vader could have just flown off into space, never to be seen again. Nothing you said implies it was not a standalone movie
@@dorrito - seriously, Disney was looking at George Lucas outline and they were thinking "No thanks, we can f*ck up this imaginary war in space all on our own".
Sometimes it works. Much of Casablanca was written on the fly as it was filmed. It definitively did not work with Disney SW trilogy, though. But I think that had RoS been better, it would've worked. I know that TLJ was "divisive", but RoS was absolute garbage. It was bad fan fiction.
The knife: Let's not forget that once the shape of the death star wreckage had been cut into the metal, then inserted into the dagger hilt, there's a good chance the wreckage would continue to fall apart over time. It's wreckage. By definition it's not stable. If it was on Jakku it would last longer just sitting there, but it was in an ocean with waves, tides and storms affecting the wreck.
and this ignores the people variable. You mean to tell me a giant chunk of the deathstar landed on a planet and no one came around to salvage the thing for parts and materials?
not to mention it only works if you stand in that exact spot on some random shore line. and all it really did was point to the throne room. its just dumb, so so dumb.
not to mention one of the largest fan-made universes to go off of, as well as rich history of the jedi that could have been explored in more prequels. They didn't just screw up in plot, but in time setting too
i love star wars. but what i love is not just the movies, i love the universe. mandalorian, clone wars. They do explore the star wars universe, sadly not in the movies, that is for money making
That's what happens when your trilogy bounces back and forth between two writer/directors, and both of them wanted to disregard what the other one had done. Johnson wanted to have the most unexpected answers to all the threads Abrams set up, then Abrams completely hand-waved everything that was interesting about what Johnson set up in the name of fanservice. It was like a bad improv. Instead of going "Yes and.." they both went "actually no."
@@thebatman8895 agreed. Rian Johnson was more interested in forcing his own baggage against heroic men into the movie, and trolling the fans, than actually telling an intriguing story. The guy is a hack, through and through.
Technically, Palpatine is living inside of Rey at the end of the movie. That was the entire point of the plot to get her to come to Exegol, so that she would kill him and he could inhabit her body. Which probably explains why he goes to Tatooine at the end to bury Anakin's lightsaber in sand as one last act of revenge for Anakin's betrayal. Then he steals the Skywalker name so people will think he's related to the galactic hero Luke Skywalker and he can rise to power again using the fame of his new name and face. Makes more sense than the actual movie.
You do have to remember that to be fair, it’s only been max 40 years since the Death Stars destruction, and it’s a literal planet killing, moon sized space station; technology which we can probably expect in say 200000 years? Maybe?... I doubt they’re using materials which rust
but it also exploded like a dropped plate of nachos and cheese on a tile floor. what's most disturbing to me is the scrapped parts weren't salvaged or turned into a thousand other things.
Quote Sheev: "Ah yes, you will go and find my son and my graddaughter and bring them to me. But wait, let me give you a weapon that leads to a device in the wreckage of the Death Star, which you have to hold at a specific angle while being in a specific position I will not tell you, which leads to another device which leads here, where you already are, so you will find your way back... or something. Oh and if you kill my son, DO IT with this dagger. Oh, and should you get trapped in an underground cave just starve and leave it there. Yes, yes, my plans are amazing."
Lmaooo... okay I said another comment was the best one of this video, but this one has to be... in fact, I’m copying and sending to my buddies , just to remind them how god awful this movie was...
@@thefilmwatcher1302 yes but surely there would have been an easier method. Of course, like Thor explained in the video, the filmmakers can create the story the way it suits them but we see that one can reach Exegol without the Wayfinder, everyone goes there in the end. Also holding up the knife to the Death Star wreckage is just stupid. I will say that I think it is a cool ides that the knife looks like a landmark but the location of where the thing was pointing would vary just from standing in different places. If you'd just turn the knife around it would show a completely different place.
@@dermegger7733 I already sent it to my brother, who is a big star wars fan, but not like me (or US I guess), and is more lenient on these last 2 movies than I am...but even HE has to laugh at this, with the way you wrote it, cuz its just spot on... And my girl usually is dragged to all these movies with me, though she is more into star wars the last few years cuz of me... however, she Couldn't make it to this movie,,and after I saw it, I told her DONT BOTHER.... so I read this to her, in Palps voice too, and she was dying lol...just masterfully done my man...
@@anthonycameronnajera8471 LMFAO. The Sith Dagger that just happened to line up with the crashed death star on THAT coastline. How did palpatine create an army of warships and soldiers on a secret planet with noone knowing that noone can get to without a sith artifact, no industry or resources. How did C3po know sith. You fucking kidding? You really want to die on this hill not because of good writing or cinema, or being a fan. You want to die on this hill because of an US versus the Trolls mentality. Problem is, the trolls were right. This shit isn't exactly Jurassic Park, or Titanic, or Back to the Future. It is shitty writing by producers who had to slap together a movie for Disney's mega corporation to make a product with no soul, creativity, or lasting legacy other than crushing disappointment. You Simp, lol.
@@mrdeleonn It just blows my mind how much money they threw at this, and they couldn't hire ONE decent writer? Even a fan fiction author would have made a better story. It didn't have to be Shawshank, it just had to please the audiences. You goto Starwars movies to feel good. You should leave the theater with a smile on your face like Jurassic Park, or Back to the Future.
Nothing had more side quest than mass effect 2 "We need your help to save the galaxy!" "How do I know I can trust you?" "What if I help your brother move into his new place" "Word. Let's go"
The Dagger was hilarious. I groaned when I realized it was a map to a map. But this will blow your mind, what would have happened if she held it with her left hand?
and also, lets remember that it seems the wreckage is immune to the elements like the huge waves crashing against it, thus remained exactly the same over the decades
uh she'd turn it upside down. problem solved. Also, If you were trying to hide something wouldn't you want as many steps to find it as possible? Two seems better then one to me.
That's just what we saw in one movie. There's also the Tuskan Raiders genocide (not just men but women and children as well), the entirety of the Clone Wars (including the death of the Son), Count Dooku decapitation. JJ wanted to have a cool line about a stupid mcguffin in the movie and ignored the lore.
@@mac1991seth he also hates the prequels and contradicts things we know because of the prequels all the time. So I assume he's like "if I just ignore that the prequels exist maybe fans will do the same."
At this point I wouldn’t mind if it was revealed that Jar Jar was the Sith Lord behind everything, and palpatine was just another puppet in his grand scheme
@@Briguy164 ....so I as a leftie should have enjoyed the trilogy? Does it in fact mean I'm a closet Nazi because I didn't enjoy the films? I don't understand. Surely the films were made to make money, which is a capitalist and therefore right wing thing?
If you understand politics, everything can me made to look political. You may also be looking at political viewpoints never intended to be viewed that way in the first place. Just be aware when you make that conclusion.
You obviously didnt see the interview with mark sitting next to Ryan Johnson. Poor mark was about to come out of his skin listening to Ryan literally saying things like we have to tell our story its not the fans story.
@@RandomStuffGarage619 Poor Mark Hamill in general! That poor guy got screwed. The only person who came out of this series with what they wanted was Harrison Ford, and that's because he wanted Han to die and got paid like $80 million for Force Awakens.
2nd Airborne Productions thats domestic. Worldwide its made a billion, which while very good is not what it couldve reached. It should’ve beaten Endgame and TFA. It didnt even beat Captain Marvel or Spider-Man ffh
Theory: Rey is still on her homeworld but she dehydrated amd the whole trilogy is just a dream her dying brain is creating. So nothing is real. Thank me later
I think your a little ahead. The whole of Star Wars is a dream created by little annie. Who is just trying to escape from being a slave through his mind. The part when he becomes evil is just him going through his teenage years or his mom dying or something bad. Then he becomes a father irl and the dream is passed to his child using force dream magic.
We literally didn’t need the sequels. The prophecy was fulfilled when Anakin and his children helped to defeat palpatine. If anything, maul should’ve been the antagonist like Lucas originally proposed.
@@juanmam.2113 unfortunately I don't think there is one correct answer to your question. To the Jedi, the prophecy was that the chosen one would destroy the sith. To the Jedi, balance is when there are no Sith and only Jedi because they Jedi feel that they are in balance. However, as Yoda says, they could be misinterpreting the prophecy. But, in my opinion and according to the opinion of other fans and theorists, true balance in the force is found when force users can utilize the light and dark, or in other words, when they can harness passion and emotion (from the dark side) along with discipline and self control (from the Jedi). In the prequels, the Jedi were not in balance. They had become corrupt, obsessed with avoiding connection, emotion, etc. There are Jedi who recognize this, such as Ahsoka and Quigon. On the other hand, the Sith used passion but were uncontrollable and subject to rage. Anakin harnessed his emotion but was never trained to control it which is why he fell. In the end, balance is brought when Anakin and Luke defeat the Sith (palpatine). Luke understands the importance of love and connection. It is his love for his father and enables him to be the catalyst and help Anakin bring balance. Luke recognizes the faults of the Jedi, mainly avoiding connection and supressing emotions and love. He recognizes that passion and emotion together with self control is ultimately what it means to have balance in the force. What I think the prophecy means (or should mean if we just ignore the sequels) is that Anakin brings balance to the force by destroying both the Sith and the corrupt Jedi, and paving the way for Luke to understand the nature of the force and train a new generation of force users who know how to harness emotion and passion while maintaining self control. Sorry this was so long lol, just my opinion.
When I saw the dagger being lined up with the wreckage, I laughed out loud. You’d be surprised how many people still don’t get how improbable that entire line of thought is, and makes zero sense. Of course, the entire film, and the two predecessors were some of the worst films I’ve paid to watch…
Force Awakens had a good start, but nooo! They decided to cater to Winnie the Pooh and the CCP and make Finn into a background character instead of being the MC like it was intended.
Scott Fillinger That’s the biggest sign of a film insulting intelligence, pulling a ton of stupid stuff out of nowhere and expecting people to not notice it because there are fun/cool glow stick fights.
@@Blahblah97555 doesn't most movies do that? Isn't that like the I am your father reveal? Idk it's fine to me. Plus I think every t.v show does it too. Plus some books. I guess everything I guess
The Fall of Skywalker is lazy - lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy. A million times lazy. Each sequel made progressively less money. Finn, arguably the best character in The Force Awakens, has less and less screen time. Disney arrogantly thought they could do what Lucas did - all Disney managed to create was a soulless golem that plods along and destroys (what came before).
It's what happens when Jarjar abrams and his crappy writing team are in charge. Any other GOOD director and writers who KNOW the source material would've made it waaaaay better.
@@wongscp1701 Imagine having an ego so big that you only care about yourself and think that you can do what others do. That’s why JarJar and Roundhead Rian can get in other peoples’ toy boxes and break and destroy everything. SW, ST, Mission: Impossible (JarJar directed 3), now JarJar’s planning on how he can destroy DC along with Superman and Batman.
@@jrickabaugh4274 I mean, I guess. From a business perspective, all they’re seeing is the money they left on the table. TFA made $2bil, the other two - did not. Not even close. Because people like me, who saw TFA 4 times in the theater, only saw the other 2 once. The Fall of Skywalker i was basically dragged to the theater to see it.
That is not what Luke said. "" A Jedi's weapon deserve more respect."" ""what are you doing."" because she was throwing it into the fire to destroy destroy it Darth Vader through his light Saber at Luke . In return of the Jedi in the Light Saber Battle. Ray through the light Saber during her training training cut through the tree then caught it. Girls were proper use of a light Saber in training and in battle9
I’m not sure why people aren’t talking about why there was a huge chunk of the Death Star on this planet. We literally saw it get blown to pieces, disintegrated really, and here this throne room area happened to not get blown to pieces, but also made it through this planets atmosphere to crash on the planets surface still intact enough that the shape is still reminiscent of the Death Star. The dagger is even more ridiculous when you think about it from that perspective.
@@jimger9978 yeah, but those are tiny chunks. It obviously wouldn't have absolutely everything obliterated. But in TRoS, they decide that a third of it is still intact.
Luke must have made it because it was in R2D2, but why would luke make a map if he gave it to R2 before he left, so that means he allready knew atchos location, and if he didn’t want anyone to find him why make a map, clearly Disney didn’t think this out
I love how Sith have a galactic-senate sanctioned secret language to communicate, not because it is secret but because everyone else is forbidden to read it.
That’s not really that dumb. Considering the Sith have ruled vast parts of the galaxy before for long periods of time. It would also make sense for the Jedi to outlaw the language after they won the war against the Sith.
@@コリンウォールド how does it make sense to outlaw a language. As far as they knew, no one who could speak it even existed anymore. Also it literally wasn't illegal to be a sith in the republic
@@コリンウォールド It doesn't make sense to outlaw the language. It makes more sense to store every bit of knowledge about that language in order to detect anyone using it, so they can be investigated for possible sith connections.
The movie feels like someone drew a bunch of random cool looking images then tried to loosely tie them all together into some kind of half-assed storyline.
@@Thisdudeisdrowning the death star scene is just battle of mustifar just less epic. And the exagol battle is an over dramatic version of what the rotj final battle was. Honestly I feel like with Luke and Vader the battle of exagol would've been a little better than the original story NGL. The idea for a lot of the battle scenes were amazing and could've made for the best star wars fight scenes. However it kind of dropped the ball on some of them. Especially the final fight.
"This part of The Rise of Skywalker completely insults fan intelligence... " Is it the part that starts with the opening crawl and ends with the credits?
@@mishasubin episode 7 had issues but it easilly could have just been them playing safe the real issue with the Prequels is that they had TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO DO TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MOVIES/TRILOGY
@@acoolnameemm Ep 7 has "minor" issues the first time you view it. The second and third time you view it the mistakes become apparent with the title crawl. The Resistance was only created to make an artificial emotion that was used to make the audience care for our heroes. To put it simply, they wanted Rebels vs Empire version 2. I actually have no problem with that, only if i were executed properly. But as we know it wasn't. At the end of RotJ the Empire was crippled, the top figureheads were eliminated and what we assume(and what happened) was that Luke brought peace, justice and democracy to the galaxy once again. But those achievements were ripped straight off by the two sentences of the title crawl of ep 7. JJ was too bothered to write a script that started with our beloved heroes already in power, so he lazily put together an opening crawl that basically undid literally everything the original trilogy heroes have done. It's an embarrassing start but sadly we were too blinded by "THE MILLENNIUM FALCOOOOONNN"
@@acoolnameemm And yes rian Johnson fucked up ep8 so badly it was like JJ was making fun of his infamous choices in the rise of skywalker. But ep9 was somewhat even worse in its own way. Good god.
One-Eyed Willy made the medallion and the map so someone could find the treasure. The Goonies found them, and put the clues together. The Sith made the dagger and the Wayfinder devices to find Exogal. The Goonies found them, and put the clues together.
YES -- I as thinking GOONIES when Ray held up that stupid dagger/map. "Hey, we found the planet with no help from this dagger-map, you think this giant remnant of a Death Star is significant?" "Let's fly around it until we see the outline from a certain angle to make sure this is the right broken Death Star." "Oh, good thinking."
I was gonna complain about the plot holes and bad writing... but then I remembered "Oh, the writers are high school kids that know no better, let's cut them some slack". Nonetheless, an impressive fanfiction!
My biggest problem with the sequels is they treat the original trilogy like some sort of ancient history. That stuff happened only thirty years ago. It would like finding a nineties scrunchy and treating it like an ancient hair device from the Dark Ages.
Yeah, and then they just kill off nearly every important character from the OT for no reason. After watching The Force Awakens I just walked into every other movie thinking: "Which beloved character they gonna kill off this time?"
@@zahktuthalxalyrion6364Oh yeah, then Rian Johnston killed off Luke for a laugh and Leia died in the last one because Carrie Fisher passed away (R.I.P). Although I hate the fact they went for the "out with the old, in with the new" tactic with the main characters by killing them off, they did do a brilliant job by using the unused footage from TLJ and some other small clips to have Leia still appear in the last movie.
90’s kid here. Have you met a gen Z kid??? It is like ancient history to them. It hurt me to find out like Jurassic Park was this very old movie or they didn’t know the other movies existed and only seen Jurassic World
Dagger also assumes the wreckage of the 2nd death star would still be there completely intact in the middle of a violent ocean after 30 years of storms and corrosion
Was the tower even standing up? I would have figured that with it being on the surface for the DSII, it would have been ripped off due to the force of the explosion that destroyed DSII. It was an extremely thin tower too. Was there even any space for the vault in the tower?
Not to mention the Star Wars universe is full of scrappers and companies that will tear apart and sell old wreckage. I mean hell, that's basically the first thing we learn about Rey. Scrapper crews would have been all over that wreckage and after a couple decades it would have looked way different.
This trilogy was bad. And this movie was so awful it actually destroyed parts of the original trilogy. Vader's sacrifice. The destroying of the second death star etc etc. Unforgivable
Thank you........ I'm not the only one who thought this. I was willing to accept that the wayfinder devices were just basically thumbdrives with the coordinates, but when they used the dagger, I was like "Was this episode written by someone who also writes for Dora the Explorer?"
This trilogy is like a pathological liar who tells a lie, then has to tell a bigger lie to cover up the first lie, then has to tell an even more outrageous lie to cover the second lie, and then has to...etc...
First Order: Palpatine’s fleet will increase our numbers 10,000 fold. Rebels: *destroys that same fleet with a ragtag band of 1,000 tiny ships, dispite the fact that the Sith fleet had tens of thousands of ships each equipped with planet killer weapons. The Sith fleet can’t shoot back because for some reason they can’t find which way is up, but the rebel fleet is flying around everywhere.*
@@youwouldntremembermeanyway7410 Not when you actually do the physics calculations. Besides the fact that it takes a few second to burn his head away (extreme electricity would split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen, exploding the hydrogen during the process, so it wouldn't burn but explode), theres a lot of electricity in space. Solar winds, radiation, all that cool stuff our atmosphere blocks - ships are protected against this, I mean tey can travel at the speed of light, if some electricity can taske them down, how would they handle lightspeed? This is just Fairytale logic with good and bad magic, where the evil overlord has insane magic powers.. I actually think jj abrams hates star wars and was making this movie to piss everyone off on purpose.
@@johnleorid true but we've actully seen Rey destroy a transport ship with force lightening in the same movie. Despite both scenes being pretty cool, they made no sense compared to each other.
I still believe, that Snoke was an old wizard, who used some poor magic to mislead Luke and his friends with visions, when suddenly Yuuzhan Vong arrived )
@@neterwan Would be a good shout if Disney didn't announce the intentions and reasons for all the characters doing what they do, the only development we got was Kylo and Maybe, Maybe Poe at a push
Harry Potter fans just universally decided that The Cursed Child was not canon to Harry Potter despite J.K. Rowling saying it was and I think Star Wars fans are kind of split doing the same thing.
Palpatine returning is a cool idea. The problem with the sequel trilogy was that it came of of nowhere. If they wanted to do something as huge as BRING BACK THE MAIN VILLAN OF THE ENTIRE SIERIES, they should have built it up.
I am guessing JJ Abrams didn't expect Ryan Johnson to kill Snoke. Not trusting Kylo to carry the movie as the big bad brought back Palpatine haphazardly.
well the other trilogies are TRASH compared to the sequels, it's just that u dont have an imagination, you only think statistically and focus on "legitness" of movies.
@@anshpathak5658 Oh wait I get you now ! You're bringing up the old ,, It's a good movie but a bad sequel" right ? Well that may apply to the last jedi or maybe also force awakens but Rise of the skywalker is rather a pretty bad movie in general. And all those ,, good" movies together, don't really match up or anything so what you're saying can't apply, I think. So if you'd flip this around. This trilogy will still be a mess that didn't have a plan. And even if the originals were a sequel to the sequels the originals would still be watchable altogether. I think. So yes your statement can be applied to one movie but not to the whole trilogy. I think. It's fine if you enjoy the movie, infact if you have enough imagination to enjoy this you might be also able to make a good movie of your own. B-but y'know... You can have people watch a blank screen for two hours and then argument against their dissatisfaction with ,, You just don't have enough imagination". Simply, weather you like it or not, the developers didn't have a plan and not even they could make something out of that nothing they had to present. Not developers, not fanbase, only you. If you managed to enjoy it thanks to your imagination then you deserve the praise, not the movie. Therefore, don't praise the movie for your work and let us hate on it xD I think.
Clones is the answer to everything: -why is palpatine alive? clones. -palpatine needs someone to talk. he create clones. -palpatine needs builders for the ships? he create clones. -palpatione needs food? he create clones, roast them with lightning and eat them. i imagine palpatine lightning would the energy source for makng the clone machines works without running out of power, or it could be bad writting.
@@randomporpoise exactly, they should have just left the Skywalker saga tf alone and just made this a separate trilogy without any of the original characters. Leave Han, Luke, Leia, Palpatine, and Anakin alone!!!
Ikr First movie: don't worry about your lineage. Look to the future, not the past. Second movie: oh, actually, your lineage does matter. Your parents were nobodies. But you can still be your own person. Third movie: ACTUALLY, your lineage doesn't matter, but your parents were nobodies because your grandfather is evil Space Voldemort. But it's ok, don't let that define you. Just steal someone else's last name instead
This movie has the most contrived writing I have ever seen in a 'serious' film. The dagger is beyond stupid. You didn't even mention how they found the dagger. A random Stormtrooper shot the heroes knocking them off of their vehicles... knocking them directly into a quicksand pit that led to an underground tunnel that just so happens to have the dagger just lying on the ground. Not to mention the assassin guy just so happened to die so close to his spaceship. Normally I try to overlook contrivances like this, but this was multiple contrivances back to back. Also, normally I would just argue that they would have found the dagger eventually, but in the film they were against a time limit to complete their discount 'Goonies' adventure.
It's sad because the dagger was actually a rare bit of genuine creativity in the film--only it made a negative amount of sense! The Wayfinders and the dagger remind me of what Mark Twain wrote about a scene in _The Deerslayer_ where six men are lying in wait for a scow or raft to go by so they can slaughter the people aboard--only to get such a massive case of the idiot ball that they really screw the pooch: "The scow episode is really a sublime burst of invention; but it does not thrill, because the inaccuracy of details throw a sort of air of fictitiousness and general improbability over it."
No no...he kills himself with the lighting....cause Rey did not intended to kill him. Though you would think ol Palpatine would learn from his mistakes...after a first time being shocked to death almost.
@@Deku20235 But he still dies by Reys hand. Jad she not countered with "All of the Jedi" and "Two Lightsabres" ... oy... But he dies because of her action against him. Meaning Palpatine had no reason NOT to possess her body.
@@ShadowKamehameha32 yeah but he always pushed Vader to kill him for the same reason. He wanted his potential and the Power that he had. Until he met Luke than he wanted Luke to kill them both so that he could be turned and the would haunt him. She was an acting part of his death but if he was killed by her in an act of rage and hatred he would've possessed her. She killed him using his power and in an act of defense as the Jedi would do. As well as the fact that her heart stopped and kylo cleansed and healed her body giving up his own life its very likely that sidious attempted to take control but when Ben healed her it purged his weakened spirit from her body.
@@cameronkemp575 But theres no way of us knowing that, since Force healing is an ability only shown thrice in this one movie, and the only time it shows to have a negative effect on someone is when Kylo uses it, Rey heals twice and is shown to have no repercussions whatsoever, not even fatigue from using, arguably, the most powerful Force Ability in existence. We're not shown how Rey, or especially Kylo learned how to do this technique, it's never talked about beyond BB8 and never expanded upon. Anything at this point is just people writing the script for the film to suit thier own head-canon, and unless there's proof from the movie itself, I ain't buying into it.
A human can survive in space for as little as 15 seconds to as long as 2 mins depending on whether or not you hold your breath and rupture your lungs. I'm sure there are many more factors that contribute to your survivability tho.
I love when Rey points out that many bad things were done with that dagger despite the fact she literally uses the same lightsaber Anakin used to murder kids😂😂
At least they could have done what they always do and simply steal the EU appearance that worked. That's what they did with holocrons ("wayfinders"), Revan's mask (Kylo Ren's mask), Palpatine's clones that kinda make sense (Palpatine's clones that make zero sense) and so on. We could have gotten what might in essence be "another" desert planet but actually feels like a completely different world. One that seems hostile and barren but whose hostility is something you need to feel on a subconscious basis. Not these over the top lighting storms and grayfest all around like wannabe Mordor.
@@vsGoliath96 i also remember when Tython required a balance of the force between light and dark and if it slipped one way or the other, wickedly strong storms ripped across the planet until the force was balanced again.
Oh yeah that Sith dagger was beyond stupid. I laughed out loud when they were in that cave looking for it and there was that Goonies skeleton down there, then physically facepalmed when Rey used it to find the wayfinder in the Death Star ruins. What?????
Sheamus Catuli Honestly, I thought the way the dagger was used was f*cking INGENIOUS. It became so obvious that it was all part of Palpatine’s plan, to set Ochi up for failure just so Rey could find the dagger on his dead body, use it to find the wayfinder, and come to Exegol so he could turn her to the dark side. He’s used the Force to look through time before. Maybe he looked into the future and specifically designed the dagger so it would line up the the Death Star ruins on the ocean moon from a certain distance. If that was his plan, it actually kinda succeeded, because Rey did find and make it to Exegol AND - bonus - inadvertently lured all the remaining rebellion against Palpatine’s official return to galactic rule to what would’ve been their utter annihilation AT HIS DIRECT HAND. The only flaw in his plan was Rey’s defiance. Had she struck him down as he wanted her to or been turned to the dark side, either way, it would’ve literally been LIGHTS F*CKING OUT for every single rebel ship at Exegol. I just can’t ignore how genius this plan was.
That dagger was dumb as hell. Why would someone write down information on a dagger. That makes no sense. It would have made more sense of they just said there was a tracker on the wayfinder and that's how they knew where it was on the death stat wreckage. Plus whoever possessed the dagger, how would they know what spot to stand in to be able to use it. Just dumb shit that I have no idea how it got into the final cut of the movie.
Maybe someone really liked the Duck Tales episode where Scrooge was searching a treasure, but the map was actually a model ship? But then Glomgold also had a copy of the map, because the model of the ship fell into molten chocolate in an earlier episode and so Flintheart keeps the piece of chocolate in an ice cream cart. I mean, it is both Disney. So the makers of of the movie really liked that Duck Tales episode, but they wanted to make it more badass by replacing the ship with a dagger. The movie would have been so much butter if Kylo had a chocolate imprint of the dagger. It would have made the ridiculousness of the dagger itself so much easier to accept.
Even better: who can guarantee that the trashed death star looks exactly like the form of the dagger after decades of the enviroment eating at the wreckage?
The dagger was another bad plot point. What if they said that Palp used this dagger to kill his own master, and then Mary Sue and Co. Had to use Palps connection to it to find him. Everything in Rise of Reywalker seems like a half assed rush to the finish line. The dagger is just another example of this. There was potential, aure, but no pay off. It could have been an actual key to a door. It could have had a connection to an ancient sith. Etc. Instead, they ripped off the Goonies of all movie. Yay.
credit where it's due: burying the lightsaber next to Shmi is genuinely a strong move. Too bad the entire trilogy is tangled up in stupid plots and hollow attempts at evoking emotions that it falls flat.
Tatooine is a horrible place for the Skywalkers, Anakin and his mother were slaves, Luke got his uncles and his home destroyed and burnt down and Leia was enslaved by a giant slug. Burying the lightsaber in the sand on Tatooine is diserepectful
Imagine if the cliff they were standing on to hold the dagger up didn't exist anymore, due to heavy erosion caused by the strong sea waves. I guess the force kept the cliff intact for several decades, just for Rey...
Nah, you have it wrong. Rey made that mountain when she was a child, and due to her seemingly unlimited power, it stayed up for her. Also the Death Star fell into perfect position by it because Rey pulled the Death Star to the mountain before she was even born
Or if the moon-sized ship continued to lose structural integrity from the torrential salt water and more of it went underwater causing the ocean to rise. It's a good thing, though, that it shrunk to the width of large city. That way not only would it not cause that problem, but it's more feasible that Rey could neander around in it to find the wayfinder without any lifts or transport that were necessary in the deathstar before its crash.
I always hate that argument, because children deserve quality entertainment too. Just because they'll eat crap doesn't mean it's okay to feed them crap
@@battlesheep2552 There's a reason _My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic_ and _Bluey_ both really took off. Neither one talked down to the kids, and there was something for the parents as well.
Watch return of the Jedi. The Death Star is completely destroyed, yes? Well how is there part of the Death Star still on Endor? And also if Rey was standing like a metre to the right She wouldn’t have lined up the dagger and the Death Star Wtf Disney?
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The Death Star Plans are NOT a "MacGuffin" since they do, directly, enable the Rebel Force to determine the "fatal flaw" in the Death Star and so to destroy it (with some help from the Force). A true "MacGuffin" is simply something of value which everyone is seeking but which does not otherwise influence the plot.
Yeah.... Your right. The famous glowing suitcase isnt a mcguffin either because mcguffins motivate the plot wich Pulp Fiction does not have. Its actually an overrated pointless movie in my opinion but im clearly in the overwhelming minority on that one.
Agreed. MacGuffins are usually nonsensical in that they pop up as needed, solely to push the plot along and then they're never mentioned again. They are insignificant or irrelevant all by themselves. The briefcase in "Pulp Fiction" or the One Ring in "Lord of the Rings" are NOT MacGuffins because those things are central to the story of those movies, they're things that everybody wants and they're mentioned constantly. A good example of a MacGuffin would be in the Mel Brooks movie "High Anxiety" where they make fun of the device. In the movie, Mel Brook's character has a fear of heights, so he reserves a hotel room on the first floor. But when he goes to check in, the receptionist tells him that a "Mr MacGuffin" called earlier and changed his room to the 20th floor. This small change turns his otherwise uneventful stay into a far more difficult and dramatic one.
@@KneelB4Bacon Old comment but a McGuffin is usualy an element central to the plot but has no direct effect on it. A McGuffin is an "object" that everyone wants to get but which is never used (if it even has an use) or sometimes, the effect once used just help close the plot while not doing what it was supposed to. - the briefcase is a McGuffin, everyone wants to have it for the sake of hhaving it - the falcon in The Maltese Falcon is the same - the Ark in Indiana Jones is too, since it does nothing for the plot other than existing (then killing the Nazis, not giving them power) - the Death Star plans are not realy a McGuffin since they are literaly used for the exact purpose they were seeked by the rebels
It doesn’t even make sense beyond that. Like what data is it providing? It’s surely more than a single coordinate because you wouldn’t need an entire device to communicate 1 coordinate. So…is it somehow tracking the ship’s position and like taking control of the ship completely to do some complex navigation based on its real time position? But aren’t the people using it shown still steering the ships themselves? It makes zero sense.
The disney "planning" of this film: "okay we're out of villians, let's bring back palpatine, people love him" "okay how is he back" "ummmm...I dunno, let's just use a quote everybody likes to explain it" "great" "now where is he and what has he been doing" "he's hiding somewhere, but he's broken and weak in the body" "okay good logic, means we have an excuse as to why he didn't exist for years" "oh no, he's always been there, snoke is palpatine" "really? okay, I suppose that works, it's a good way to brush him under the carpet and make it seem like he was important. Now, what does Palpatine want to do" "rule the galaxy" "as a broken husk?" "oh no, he's going to use a quote everybody loves to explain how he can suck the life out of one character and regenerate himself, kind of like a dementor crossed with a vampire crossed with a force user" "I like it, explained away with a quote...people love nostalgia quotes. WHo's he sucking off? Kylo?" "oh no, Rey, Rey is a Palpatine" "whaaaaaat?" "yeah...so we were wondering how to make it seem like she is OP and actually keep her relevant, so we decided to make her the granddaughter of the villain" "ahhh smart, it means she can do anything Palpatine can do and the fans can stop complaining. Now how does Palpatine get them?" "well....we haven't gotten that far. We thought about some hidden maps" "you mean like TFA?" "yes...but different so the fans don't notice" "but won't they just pick up on the repetition? How do they come across these maps and why are they looking for them?" "well Palps sends out a phone call so everyone knows he is back and then theyjust find the maps in the places that they know to find them because off screen they find out" "won't the audience pick up on the lack of explanation?" "no, we'll play some force music and cover the lack of explanation with a thin veil of convolution and messy "jedi stuff" to make it seem like there is reason behind our logic when in fact we got nothing. The fans llooooooooooove force stuff don't they?"
I think there is something much worse than the dagger... Sheev: "Hey, so for decades I've been building the most powerful fleet in history in secret waiting to strike, I think I should notify the entire Galaxy I've alive and that I'm coming." Practically anyone working for him: "So, great plan...do you mind if we wait like, I don't know, a day or two? See, the fleet is still in just above the planet surface and will be useless." Sheev: "No! I want to do it now!" Someone else: "I get that, but we're literally just getting them off the planet now. We can hurry it up if you want, how about you sleep on it and announce your return in the morning?" Sheev: "Nonsense, I'm unstoppable! Name one other time I've ever been defeated because I was careless...as a matter of fact, I already sent out the message WHEN THE SHIPS WERE STILL UNDERGROUND! What do you think about that, smart ass!?!" (Or was it under ice...I just rewatched the scene and it's not super clear)
I don't think anything about this film was super clear, and frankly even if it was I don't think it would make it any better lol. I agree though, the entire film's premise is laughably stupid and it's all illogical for the character in the first place. It's some of the most blatant lack of ideas that I've ever seen in a film, let alone one of this calibre. Completely agree with you.
Since the beginning of movie time bad guys have giving ample warning or have literally said exactly what they were gonna do and the entire. Since the beginning.
@@mucephi1 These 'fucking children' who mention Minecraft would've been a better target demographic than the fucking bullshit Disney pulled for Feminists at the cost of curb stomping everything that had been done previously. And for your fucking information, a Minecraft adventure map designed would've made a better fucking story than this shit.
@@pyrauxe3507 Don't watch it, it wasn't made for kids like you anyway. The feminist crap was 7 and 8 not 9. Maybe you haven't seen it yet? Maybe you have? If so its too late to complain about it isn't it? Minecraft is for pimple covered fat little shitboys. I shouldn't be too tough though considering you will never get laid as long as your limp wristed weak ass lives.
@@mucephi1 Why you acting so tough, huh? Hiding behind a screen while you insult children. So what if I'm not an adult? Clearly I know more about this crap than you do. And so what if I haven't seen it? In my opinion, Star Wars ended during Return of the Jedi. I don't need to see it. Minecraft was made for everyone who wants to play it. And I still stand by my opinion on adventure map creators opinion. And by the 'feminism crap' I mean the bullshit Mary Sue that Rey is. I was told Rey's first shot in the movie was of her fucking levitating. Ever see any Jedi who have trained since childhood that could do that, not even Anakin Skywalker, most powerf force wielder ever to exist? She isn't trained anywhere near that extent. Her powers are bullshit explained because 'shes palpatines granddaughter' or, in the words of Kathleen Kennedy herself, she is a 'strong, independent woman.' Training since childhood? Nah just give her an energy drink and she's on her way. And what about the dagger? Specifically crafted to be used in the precise spot at the precise angle on this cliff? Nothing shifting around or making things move or ruining the bullshit idea? From what I heard, nope she justs holds it up first try and bam. It lines up with the Death Star, the moon-sized battlestation that was thought to be completely obliterated in Ep. 6? Nah, there's just a fucking piece of it chilling. Survived the crash too, not like it was blown up when that happened. Oh, and it's the part with the Wayfinder in it? Well, isn't that just convenient. There is something... An incredible feeling you get from watching the OT. Something that just grabs at you and makes you glued to the screen, that just envelopes you in the epic fantasy... And that feeling, I just can't find it in the sequels. I cannot find it because, perhaps, it is not there.
The Force Awakens reviews One side: criticisms Other side: they've got a plan. Wait and see. The Last Jedi reviews One side: more criticisms Other side: Come on guys. They've got a plan. Just have faith The Rise Of Skywalker One side: Oh my God, so many criticisms Other side: ......[crickets chirping]
7 was alright. I did not like 8 By 9, I basically turned on the side of my brain that likes Jumanji, and Rampage, and just enjoyed the action and fun. I think this mindset allowed me to actually kinda enjoy ep. 9.
@@rafaeldeoliveiranobre6064 I don't really think the prequels are better over all. I think the sequels are better executed. And I think episode 8 has better directing, acting, story and new characters than the prequels.
Bad guy: [crafts dagger] Ocean: [continues to crash waves, eroding the ground on which Death Star fragments rest, causing them to shift] Bad guy: Shit! [crafts new dagger]
George Lucas: "The Skywalker Saga is about Anakin Skywalker. His rise and fall and rise again in the story is like poetry. It was not about Luke because he was merely a catalyst to bring Anakin back" Disney: Haha Palps force lightning go brrrrrrr
@@Morten_Storvik yes they did. Don't know why Anakin was rarely if not ever mentioned in the 7,8, and 9 movie. The entire Skywalker saga revolved around him. Not Luke, not Rey, not even Kylo or Palpatine. Anything Rey achieved would have never been possible if it weren't for Anakin. He's the God dang chosen one ffs.
@@Morten_Storvik they took away his greatest achievement by bringing back palpatine. They spit in the face of his sacrifice to save his son and the universe by undoing the thing he was born to do.
My grandkids in 30 years: "Grandpa can we watch star wars?!" Me: "Have I ever told you about the tragedy of the rise of skywalker and the sequel trilogy?"
I recall, as a Trek fan, being really annoyed at Star Trek X: Nemesis, for inventing a ridiculous kind of radiation (thalaron radiation) which nonsensically destroys organic material at the subatomic level (absolutely meaningless since nothing differentiates organic from inorganic material below the molecular level), when they could have just said it was a generic superweapon. I later thought I was being too harsh for criticizing storytelling devices. I have so much empathy for what Star Wars fans have to go through with the laziness of their writers and the storytelling devices they lean on. I feel your pain.
I was thinking the whole time that they (in Exagon) probably had a Replicator, so they could just "earl grey, hot, two sugars!" and voila, no need for having the thé transported through that dangerous path.
@@Misterobozo1 it's probably something as simple as Exegol being just one planet in a whole sector containing other systems with agriculture etc., but that's too mundane to depict.
It's not, though. That part of the galaxy is undeveloped, uncolonized, and not even very well explored. There's a reason the secret Sith planet is there.
@The Steve Show, that would require general knowledge of star wars. @Saturninus, they could've hired an actual writer rather than the hacks they pulled out of Kathline's ass
@@adamjenkins7653 Favreau, Filoni, and Pablo Hidalgo should’ve been the ones making the sequels. They actually know the canon and don’t insult our intelligence by forcing us to suspend our disbelief over things that are ridiculous even for Star Wars. Whoever thought it was a good idea to hire JJ was a complete moron
@@Bilboswaggins2077 Disney will probably (AND HOPEFULLY) make the sequel trilogy (non canon) and scrap it to hand the reigns for a proper sequel to filoni and favreau after their success so far. The way i see it, Mandalorian season finale sets up a potential recreation of a proper sequel trilogy very well
That's what angers me the most. It just erased the whole point of 6 movies! And how is this rise of Skywalker when there is no Skywalker left whatsoever. Because this Mary Rey is no Skywalker to me.
Disney thinks fans are pointless. Obviously if they did care they would have made a better trilogy. Disney just likes to prove how much they suck at the expense of our time.
@@miraxterrik but that's the point. Pushing the left agendas. This crap of a trilogy is actually a lot like Batwoman. Remember that line? I won't let a man take credit for a woman's work? Then steals everything from man. That's Rey.
it's crazy to me that fans and common people can come up with so many much better ideas for the story than the ones used in the actual franchises... goes to show that people in charge have no idea wtf they are doing
I personally found the "they fly now" moment more insulting, as it's one big slap in the face for all of us who kept up with both the old EU and the new canon, and we have seen jet pack technology for years in the SW universe and all of a sudden decades later in the SW timeline there all of a sudden a new thing that none of them have seen before? Even C3PO? For goodness sake they live in a world were long-distance space travel is as easy as driving a car.
It also just makes Poe look like the biggest dumbass in the galaxy cause he runs into Jet Troopers in the first issue of his comic thats set before TFA.
@Joshua Khoury élève the point qui gon was making is that speaking isnt intelligence, it depends on what you actually speak i can write a movie, just copy paste a bunch of other scripts together and play with plastic toys, boom im better than ryan johnson
Don't, the writers just wanted a woman to be a main star and made her God basically yet a retarded god for feminism and equality sake without realizing literally everyone loved Leia and Carrie for her wonderful banter and opinions of "I have a gun, shut the fuck up with being triggered about the sun burning bikini."
By far, one of the best assessments I've seen regarding the way-finders. I don't have an issue with way-finders in general...like you said, we've seen them before in the saga. It was these two particular way-finders that I thought were, either not developed enough in the case of the Sith WF, or just absolutely ridiculous in the case of the dagger (a concept that was actually portrayed more competently in 1985's The Goonies).
@@sethb3090 basically the sequel trilogy insults true star wars fans intelligence the ending pissed me off my older brother brought me to see the movie and they were things in the movies that were pointless he said the wayfinders were pointless due to rey and i told him rey is not a skywalker and he agreed with me my other friend ray said the movie made no sense he said rogue one was way better than the sequel trilogy
@@sethb3090 he also the dagger made no sense either and kylo ren going from bad to good made no sense and i said rens death made no sense he should have stayed alive and celebrated with the rebels i hate calling them by their name its hard for me to spell but my other friend thinks the rise of skywalker sucked along with the force awakens and the last jedi
Remember when Palpatine had to build up his empire with tons of meticulous planning. Now armies just pop out of thin air to worship him.
That’s, that’s not what happened. The meticulous planning was to essentially get the ball rolling. While the Death Star was destroyed, the Empire fragmented and the Sith still existed in the shadows. Not to mention, look at the movie timeline you’re referencing.... a crazy amount of time passed from Return of the Jedi to Rise of Skywalker..... mostly all of your argument is explained in the movies, you don’t even need expanded universe knowledge
@@Wyatt274 I mean, you kinda do need some background info. Like he had literally an army of star destroyers to take out some ships in TLJ. How come he didn't just use that same amount of star destroyers to destroy the rebellion when he owned an Empire?
@@deadman4167 because the weapons didn’t exist during that time. Remember the destroyers were fitted with micro “star killer base” cannons on each ship.... star killed base happened well after the fall of the Empire when the First Order was pushing. First order also being controlled in the shadows by Palpatine through Snoke who was a failed clone that survived
im living the good life, but its not fair for anyone else
@@Wyatt274 I liked Palpatine when he was capable of engineering a crisis in a way that eliminated his main opponents (the Jedi) and essentially placed him in a position of power legally.
As for the “lots of time has passed” argument, a quick check tells me that the Battle of Exegol takes place just 35 years after the Battle of Yavin, hardly enough time to build a fleet in the shadows that size, along with the crew needed. Personally, I’d be happier if we were just done with Sidious since we had six episodes of him and he was already greatly portrayed in those episodes both as a great politician/manipulator and a generic irredeemable dark lord.
Rey: “This dagger has done horrible things”
Also Rey* is holding ANAKIN SKYWALKER’S lightsaber
G C who said child murder was horrible?
Haha never thought of this, gold.
@@selfloathinggameing And men and women.
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the younglings
They rode horses.. on a moving battleship.. in the air.
And the ship didn't tilt slightly to just throw them off...
Ace i felt like sand was thrown into my face, easily one of the worst scenes in all of Star Wars holy fuck
And it was still better than TLJ 😂
And they landed 5 mileS away.....
And don’t forget most importantly... tHeY fLy NoW!!!
"Somehow, Palpatine returned" is easily the most insulting part of the sequel trilogy. Such a waste of potential
To be fair, Poe saying that makes sense, that's what he was told, it's the fact they don't elaborate on this and just say "Clone Dark Magic thing" that's insulting
I don't think so, I was willing to let it slide that he "somehow" returned. The point where I felt insulted was when the pure existence of this massive Star Destroyer Fleet was reveiled. Like what the fuck? Where do they all come from? How did they get the ressources to assemble this armada without anyone noticing? Where did their crews come from? And how could they sustain themselves without massive transport fleets flying to and from Exegol delivering fuel, food and other ressources? The very existence of this fleet and that nobody noticed it is what makes the least amount of sense in the new Star Wars movies. I was willing to buy all the other stuff that made no sense if it would lead to something good, but it only lead to the most nonsensical fleet in the history of fleets.
Yep
@@Court8 there is some really good Vader comics that try to pull something together to make it work, but at the end of the day a 3 part movie series shouldn't need a comic to explain something that vital..
They really shouldn’t even know who palpatine is. They should’ve just said “the emperor, “ but half of them were born after the fall of the empire anyway. So they wouldn’t know.
This is what happens when you start a Trilogy without writing all three scripts first.
A new hope was written as a standalone film. George Lucas had no idea there would be even a second film.
But yeah, at least having SOME idea of what would happen next might have helped the sequel trilogy
iletyoucallmestevesy difference being George Lucas’s wrote all those movies by himself. These movies were passed from person to person with no real intent in mind
@@calebhoyle9371 He actually wrote the Original Trilogy with tons of help from other writers, and even his wife.
iletyoucallmestevesy yes but actually no. While episode could technically work as stand alone it was never created as one. I mean think about the ending.... vader still alive, the empire weakened but still existened? Doesnt really make sense right buddy. Also he confirmed he already had the idea of the old republic and clone wars back then(obi wan tells luke about them) but back then it wasnt possible to realize massive droid and clone battles with the technology. To sum it up you are wrong and really should know it
@@M1ch43l33 Um.... No. It was a standalone movie, the end. That's why it was just called Star Wars and was later given a different title to fit in a series. Obi-Wan talking about the old Republic does NOT imply other movies. That's called "backstory." Vader could have just flown off into space, never to be seen again. Nothing you said implies it was not a standalone movie
"I don't like bad writing. It's all coarse and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere" ~ Anakin Skywalker
David Taylor you win
666th like :)
I know nothing of bad writing I’m movie fan I don’t have job as movie critic
I was ur 1000 like.
It was 999 so I clicker it and it became 1k
Second time in my life this happens
Thanks for that, this was the very first comment that broke 100, now its 1000. I guess lots of people don't like bad writing XD
“This dagger has done many terrible things”
*continues to wield Jedi Youngling Slayer 5000*
This comment deserves way more likes
I am now calling Anakin’ lightsaber this from now on
well at least she doesn't knpw about this part of the story.
Lmaoo
It’s the youngling slayer 9000 if u use r/prequelmemes
I'm still astonished that Disney didn't write their new trilogy ahead of time, they just winged it, and thought nobody would notice a difference?
@Sam Sparklebot - "Disney spent $4b to sh*t on my childhood" is more of a dramatic statement then the entire screenplay of "the Last Jedi".
@New Bobby Even worse.. Lucas did, expecting them to use it, but they threw away his outline.
@@dorrito - seriously, Disney was looking at George Lucas outline and they were thinking "No thanks, we can f*ck up this imaginary war in space all on our own".
Sometimes it works. Much of Casablanca was written on the fly as it was filmed.
It definitively did not work with Disney SW trilogy, though. But I think that had RoS been better, it would've worked. I know that TLJ was "divisive", but RoS was absolute garbage. It was bad fan fiction.
@@dorrito Lucas's outline sucked though. He even says that fans wouldn't have like it.
The knife:
Let's not forget that once the shape of the death star wreckage had been cut into the metal, then inserted into the dagger hilt, there's a good chance the wreckage would continue to fall apart over time. It's wreckage. By definition it's not stable. If it was on Jakku it would last longer just sitting there, but it was in an ocean with waves, tides and storms affecting the wreck.
and this ignores the people variable. You mean to tell me a giant chunk of the deathstar landed on a planet and no one came around to salvage the thing for parts and materials?
not to mention it only works if you stand in that exact spot on some random shore line. and all it really did was point to the throne room. its just dumb, so so dumb.
Logic bad, trusting the science good.
It's a useless mcguffin that leads to a more important mcguffin that I think gets destroyed?
Edit: it does get destroyed
Best thread ngl
I'll rephrase something many people say:
They had *HALF* of the galaxy to explore, yet they decided to go with ''rebels vs Empire 2.0''
not to mention one of the largest fan-made universes to go off of, as well as rich history of the jedi that could have been explored in more prequels. They didn't just screw up in plot, but in time setting too
Well said friend
@ Also, the Thrawn Trilogy is amazing.
Meanwhile on the half of the galaxy,
Terra: *Things*
i love star wars. but what i love is not just the movies, i love the universe. mandalorian, clone wars. They do explore the star wars universe, sadly not in the movies, that is for money making
I love how the sequel trilogy is basically just bad fanfiction.
I could write a better fanfiction than that.
And I never wrote anything in my whole life!
Matheus Alves well I’d put my money that you could do better because this comment beats at least the first two from the trilogy
Then at the end Chewy gets his medal!
Oh, that's perfect! You're going to make me cry, Becky!
Leave out the fan part I bet that it would be better if it was made by actual star wars fans.
@@noahwattel4226 Having watched many dozens of fan films on here for 13 years I can say that's absolutely true.
The sad part is, this video is putting _waaaaaay_ more thought into the plot than JJ Abrams or anyone actually involved in the movie bothered to.
well someone had to
That's what happens when your trilogy bounces back and forth between two writer/directors, and both of them wanted to disregard what the other one had done. Johnson wanted to have the most unexpected answers to all the threads Abrams set up, then Abrams completely hand-waved everything that was interesting about what Johnson set up in the name of fanservice.
It was like a bad improv. Instead of going "Yes and.." they both went "actually no."
@@jacobcortez3545 Correction. There was nothing interesting about what Johnson did on The Last Jedi...
This.
@@thebatman8895 agreed. Rian Johnson was more interested in forcing his own baggage against heroic men into the movie, and trolling the fans, than actually telling an intriguing story. The guy is a hack, through and through.
The way finder (holocron) and Rey’s yellow light saber were all a part of The Emperor’s plan to sell more toys at Disney World.
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Technically, Palpatine is living inside of Rey at the end of the movie. That was the entire point of the plot to get her to come to Exegol, so that she would kill him and he could inhabit her body. Which probably explains why he goes to Tatooine at the end to bury Anakin's lightsaber in sand as one last act of revenge for Anakin's betrayal. Then he steals the Skywalker name so people will think he's related to the galactic hero Luke Skywalker and he can rise to power again using the fame of his new name and face.
Makes more sense than the actual movie.
Hmmm Lucas wanted control of the merchandise because of money, DUHHHHHHHH
That evil som'bitch!
Stupidest thing about the dagger is the idea that the ruin of the Death Star wouldn’t crumble over time.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Or that the waves or weather wouldn't displace or erode it in any way.
@@danny87573 "You don't believe in the force, do you?"
You do have to remember that to be fair, it’s only been max 40 years since the Death Stars destruction, and it’s a literal planet killing, moon sized space station; technology which we can probably expect in say 200000 years? Maybe?... I doubt they’re using materials which rust
but it also exploded like a dropped plate of nachos and cheese on a tile floor.
what's most disturbing to me is the scrapped parts weren't salvaged or turned into a thousand other things.
Quote Sheev: "Ah yes, you will go and find my son and my graddaughter and bring them to me. But wait, let me give you a weapon that leads to a device in the wreckage of the Death Star, which you have to hold at a specific angle while being in a specific position I will not tell you, which leads to another device which leads here, where you already are, so you will find your way back... or something. Oh and if you kill my son, DO IT with this dagger. Oh, and should you get trapped in an underground cave just starve and leave it there. Yes, yes, my plans are amazing."
Lmaooo... okay I said another comment was the best one of this video, but this one has to be... in fact, I’m copying and sending to my buddies , just to remind them how god awful this movie was...
Der Megger He wanted Rey to come to Exegol, remember?
@@masterrserch3971 thank you very much :)
@@thefilmwatcher1302 yes but surely there would have been an easier method. Of course, like Thor explained in the video, the filmmakers can create the story the way it suits them but we see that one can reach Exegol without the Wayfinder, everyone goes there in the end. Also holding up the knife to the Death Star wreckage is just stupid. I will say that I think it is a cool ides that the knife looks like a landmark but the location of where the thing was pointing would vary just from standing in different places. If you'd just turn the knife around it would show a completely different place.
@@dermegger7733 I already sent it to my brother, who is a big star wars fan, but not like me (or US I guess), and is more lenient on these last 2 movies than I am...but even HE has to laugh at this, with the way you wrote it, cuz its just spot on...
And my girl usually is dragged to all these movies with me, though she is more into star wars the last few years cuz of me... however, she Couldn't make it to this movie,,and after I saw it, I told her DONT BOTHER.... so I read this to her, in Palps voice too, and she was dying lol...just masterfully done my man...
3 years and the rage is still so raw. They literally could have just farmed a youtube theory video for a better plot with no holes.
Name one of these supposed plot holes?
@@anthonycameronnajera8471
Where were the force ghosts of anakin, yoda and obi wan when Luke was thinking of cutting himself off from the force?
@@anthonycameronnajera8471 LMFAO. The Sith Dagger that just happened to line up with the crashed death star on THAT coastline. How did palpatine create an army of warships and soldiers on a secret planet with noone knowing that noone can get to without a sith artifact, no industry or resources. How did C3po know sith. You fucking kidding? You really want to die on this hill not because of good writing or cinema, or being a fan. You want to die on this hill because of an US versus the Trolls mentality. Problem is, the trolls were right. This shit isn't exactly Jurassic Park, or Titanic, or Back to the Future. It is shitty writing by producers who had to slap together a movie for Disney's mega corporation to make a product with no soul, creativity, or lasting legacy other than crushing disappointment. You Simp, lol.
@@efugee lol Plot hole? The whole movie
@@mrdeleonn It just blows my mind how much money they threw at this, and they couldn't hire ONE decent writer? Even a fan fiction author would have made a better story. It didn't have to be Shawshank, it just had to please the audiences. You goto Starwars movies to feel good. You should leave the theater with a smile on your face like Jurassic Park, or Back to the Future.
The film had more sidequest than Skyrim.
Side Quest: The movie
Or
Side Quest: The Rise of even Moar Side Quests
Nothing had more side quest than mass effect 2
"We need your help to save the galaxy!"
"How do I know I can trust you?"
"What if I help your brother move into his new place"
"Word. Let's go"
I would much rather watch a movie based on one or Skyrim’s sidequests than this movie
"Quite a lot of fetch quests like in a video game."
"Well, people love video games."
"That's a good point, video games make money!"
@paco ramon except skyrim sidequests are fun.
The Dagger was hilarious. I groaned when I realized it was a map to a map. But this will blow your mind, what would have happened if she held it with her left hand?
Matthew Myers they would have had the dagger made for her left hand, lol! The force would of known, and would have told JJ...
the wreckage probably wouldn’t have lined up
and also, lets remember that it seems the wreckage is immune to the elements like the huge waves crashing against it, thus remained exactly the same over the decades
or had just rotated the blade in her right hand
uh she'd turn it upside down. problem solved. Also, If you were trying to hide something wouldn't you want as many steps to find it as possible? Two seems better then one to me.
The plot is a pathway to many questions, some consider to be....unnatural.
The dark side lol
@@ЧистоеНебо-ш2ц the forbidden side
666th like. Or should I say] six six sith
The plot is a pathway to many plotholes some consider to be....dumb.
Rey: "this dagger has done so many terrible things".
(On her hip) The youngling slayer 9000 lightsaber: "Am I a joke to you?".
That's just what we saw in one movie. There's also the Tuskan Raiders genocide (not just men but women and children as well), the entirety of the Clone Wars (including the death of the Son), Count Dooku decapitation. JJ wanted to have a cool line about a stupid mcguffin in the movie and ignored the lore.
two years later. I only just now saw this line. My friend, you deserve a fuck ton more than 377 likes. that line was brilliant! 😄
@@daneg thanks
Shows how much they care and know about the canon (especially the prequels)
@@mac1991seth he also hates the prequels and contradicts things we know because of the prequels all the time. So I assume he's like "if I just ignore that the prequels exist maybe fans will do the same."
Or how Rey was an expert sailing through dangerous waters even when she is from a desert home world
Reaks she probably got like 19 quintillion midochlorians
That cuz she’s (as Doomcock would say) THA BESTEST EVAAAAAAA!
I wonder if she can play smoke on the water🤔
MaRae Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue?
Yeah, the leader of Disney is kind of a Feminist
At this point I wouldn’t mind if it was revealed that Jar Jar was the Sith Lord behind everything, and palpatine was just another puppet in his grand scheme
That would probably redeem the entire sequel trilogy
100% agree
I would rather watch Jar Jar than boring Mary Sue Rey.
What do you mean Jar Jar is a Sith Lord. He's been playing the long game. Or hes the possessed body of an old Sith Lord who has no physical form.
LOL! I laughed so hard at that comment!
The sequel trilogy was a very stupid waste of opportunity
le Hoarderz Al-Shekelsteins *knew
It did what it was supposed to... Pander left wing politics. So, it wasnt actually a waste of time
Briguy164 you spelled “sell toys” wrong
@@Briguy164 ....so I as a leftie should have enjoyed the trilogy? Does it in fact mean I'm a closet Nazi because I didn't enjoy the films? I don't understand.
Surely the films were made to make money, which is a capitalist and therefore right wing thing?
If you understand politics, everything can me made to look political. You may also be looking at political viewpoints never intended to be viewed that way in the first place. Just be aware when you make that conclusion.
I can't look at that dagger without being disappointed that she didn't summon the Dragon Zord to fight Palpatine after Rita Repulsa makes him grow.
Would of been interesting to see her do some fancy intro dance move before summoning too 🤣
*“Form of…Stupid complicated Mecha Jedi Robot! HYYAAHHH!!”*
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well
"In Hollywood, remember kids, it's not important if it's of high quality, only if it makes money." - Mark Hamill
The star wars movies have been making less and less money.
You obviously didnt see the interview with mark sitting next to Ryan Johnson. Poor mark was about to come out of his skin listening to Ryan literally saying things like we have to tell our story its not the fans story.
@@RandomStuffGarage619 Poor Mark Hamill in general! That poor guy got screwed. The only person who came out of this series with what they wanted was Harrison Ford, and that's because he wanted Han to die and got paid like $80 million for Force Awakens.
And now, Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker has only made 500 million or so in Net Profit. How sad.
2nd Airborne Productions thats domestic. Worldwide its made a billion, which while very good is not what it couldve reached. It should’ve beaten Endgame and TFA. It didnt even beat Captain Marvel or Spider-Man ffh
Theory: Rey is still on her homeworld but she dehydrated amd the whole trilogy is just a dream her dying brain is creating. So nothing is real.
Thank me later
Tbh it makes more sense
I thank you know
Honestly this makes so much more sense.
I think your a little ahead.
The whole of Star Wars is a dream created by little annie. Who is just trying to escape from being a slave through his mind. The part when he becomes evil is just him going through his teenage years or his mom dying or something bad. Then he becomes a father irl and the dream is passed to his child using force dream magic.
You saved the cannon
We literally didn’t need the sequels. The prophecy was fulfilled when Anakin and his children helped to defeat palpatine. If anything, maul should’ve been the antagonist like Lucas originally proposed.
@@juanmam.2113 unfortunately I don't think there is one correct answer to your question. To the Jedi, the prophecy was that the chosen one would destroy the sith. To the Jedi, balance is when there are no Sith and only Jedi because they Jedi feel that they are in balance. However, as Yoda says, they could be misinterpreting the prophecy. But, in my opinion and according to the opinion of other fans and theorists, true balance in the force is found when force users can utilize the light and dark, or in other words, when they can harness passion and emotion (from the dark side) along with discipline and self control (from the Jedi). In the prequels, the Jedi were not in balance. They had become corrupt, obsessed with avoiding connection, emotion, etc. There are Jedi who recognize this, such as Ahsoka and Quigon. On the other hand, the Sith used passion but were uncontrollable and subject to rage. Anakin harnessed his emotion but was never trained to control it which is why he fell. In the end, balance is brought when Anakin and Luke defeat the Sith (palpatine). Luke understands the importance of love and connection. It is his love for his father and enables him to be the catalyst and help Anakin bring balance. Luke recognizes the faults of the Jedi, mainly avoiding connection and supressing emotions and love. He recognizes that passion and emotion together with self control is ultimately what it means to have balance in the force. What I think the prophecy means (or should mean if we just ignore the sequels) is that Anakin brings balance to the force by destroying both the Sith and the corrupt Jedi, and paving the way for Luke to understand the nature of the force and train a new generation of force users who know how to harness emotion and passion while maintaining self control. Sorry this was so long lol, just my opinion.
@@jbowen4557 holy shit dude wrote a whole essay 👏👏
@@lukehendrickson6268 got carried away lol
@@juanmam.2113 I appreciate it man. I could go on and on about this lol but I recommend this video ruclips.net/video/TZ4aZhCm6ew/видео.html
@@jbowen4557 qui gon is proud of you
When I saw the dagger being lined up with the wreckage, I laughed out loud. You’d be surprised how many people still don’t get how improbable that entire line of thought is, and makes zero sense. Of course, the entire film, and the two predecessors were some of the worst films I’ve paid to watch…
Idk, Force Awakens wasn't Awful, by no means is it comparable to any Star Wars film, even Phantom Menace, but its not terrible
Force Awakens had a good start, but nooo! They decided to cater to Winnie the Pooh and the CCP and make Finn into a background character instead of being the MC like it was intended.
@@lonewolfhero3526 how did they ponder to the CCP by making FINN not the main character? Is the CCP racist? Wouldn’t surprise me
@@arandomcommenter412 yep, Winnie The Pooh doesn't likes black people.
Have u watched the phantom menace ??? That is a bad movie
When your ancient sith artifact has a usb-c port.
66th like
But if you have an apple ship, then you need an adapter for 50credits to use the artifact
Palpatine just wanted to do a little scavenger hunt for his little granddaughter
Hello there.
Ah yes the negotiator
Agreed.
Hello there..
@Master Kenobi hello there
"This part of The Rise of Skywalker completely insults fan intelligence..."
Part: *entire movie*
Part: entire new trilogy
Part: *The whole sequel*
The movie wasnt that bad. It's stupid but some of it was cool
Scott Fillinger That’s the biggest sign of a film insulting intelligence, pulling a ton of stupid stuff out of nowhere and expecting people to not notice it because there are fun/cool glow stick fights.
@@Blahblah97555 doesn't most movies do that? Isn't that like the I am your father reveal? Idk it's fine to me. Plus I think every t.v show does it too. Plus some books. I guess everything I guess
The Fall of Skywalker is lazy - lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy. A million times lazy. Each sequel made progressively less money. Finn, arguably the best character in The Force Awakens, has less and less screen time.
Disney arrogantly thought they could do what Lucas did - all Disney managed to create was a soulless golem that plods along and destroys (what came before).
It's what happens when Jarjar abrams and his crappy writing team are in charge. Any other GOOD director and writers who KNOW the source material would've made it waaaaay better.
@@wongscp1701 Imagine having an ego so big that you only care about yourself and think that you can do what others do. That’s why JarJar and Roundhead Rian can get in other peoples’ toy boxes and break and destroy everything. SW, ST, Mission: Impossible (JarJar directed 3), now JarJar’s planning on how he can destroy DC along with Superman and Batman.
Cash grab
@@jrickabaugh4274 I mean, I guess. From a business perspective, all they’re seeing is the money they left on the table. TFA made $2bil, the other two - did not. Not even close. Because people like me, who saw TFA 4 times in the theater, only saw the other 2 once. The Fall of Skywalker i was basically dragged to the theater to see it.
@Michael Williams it was sad watching the story I loved be destroyed.
When Luke said: Don’t throw a lightsaber show some respect!
The movie before: YeeT
Well Luke had lost himself in Episode 8.
That is not what Luke said. "" A Jedi's weapon deserve more respect."" ""what are you doing."" because she was throwing it into the fire to destroy destroy it Darth Vader through his light Saber at Luke . In return of the Jedi in the Light Saber Battle. Ray through the light Saber during her training training cut through the tree then caught it. Girls were proper use of a light Saber in training and in battle9
@@heyrobwest3908 I had a stroke reading this.
Frost Tiger same
@@flamesfrostbite I'm pretty sure he had a stroke typing it
I’m not sure why people aren’t talking about why there was a huge chunk of the Death Star on this planet. We literally saw it get blown to pieces, disintegrated really, and here this throne room area happened to not get blown to pieces, but also made it through this planets atmosphere to crash on the planets surface still intact enough that the shape is still reminiscent of the Death Star. The dagger is even more ridiculous when you think about it from that perspective.
Not to mention that it still has opening and closing doors powered by electricity [slaps forehead over and over].
Huh... you right, we also seen it blow up in Battlefront 2. No chunks
Jimger Now i just look like a fool:(
the throne room had dedicated shields separated from the rest of the station. The rest of the death star would be destroyed though
@@jimger9978 yeah, but those are tiny chunks. It obviously wouldn't have absolutely everything obliterated. But in TRoS, they decide that a third of it is still intact.
I’m still wondering why there was a map to Luke in episode 7.
Luke must have made it because it was in R2D2, but why would luke make a map if he gave it to R2 before he left, so that means he allready knew atchos location, and if he didn’t want anyone to find him why make a map, clearly Disney didn’t think this out
It would have made more sense if it was navigational data from the wreckage of his ship.
I suppose Abrams wanted something waaaaaaay more different in ep8 , that's why
Yeah, like what if Luke decides he wants to go to a new planet? Does he need to make a new map and find R2D2 in order to give him the map?
Jj abrams must like maps? Lol
I love how Sith have a galactic-senate sanctioned secret language to communicate, not because it is secret but because everyone else is forbidden to read it.
That’s not really that dumb. Considering the Sith have ruled vast parts of the galaxy before for long periods of time. It would also make sense for the Jedi to outlaw the language after they won the war against the Sith.
@@コリンウォールド how does it make sense to outlaw a language. As far as they knew, no one who could speak it even existed anymore. Also it literally wasn't illegal to be a sith in the republic
@@コリンウォールド It doesn't make sense to outlaw the language. It makes more sense to store every bit of knowledge about that language in order to detect anyone using it, so they can be investigated for possible sith connections.
thats just rehash of " black speech of mordor" shannanigans
Also idk if this is canon or legends no but the true sith were actually a species so of course they had a language
This is the part of Rise of Skywalker that insulted everyone's intelligence: The plot.
*the trilogy
The thought of it existing
What plot?
The plot was the only plot hole in the whole movie, otherwise it was flawless.
The plot was not that bad.
The movie feels like someone drew a bunch of random cool looking images then tried to loosely tie them all together into some kind of half-assed storyline.
Your not wrong that's what happened. The movie was tested 4-6 different ways with reshoots galore.
The rise of skywalker is just trying to appeal to fans by recreating scenes from the good movies
It's literally fan-fiction
@@Thisdudeisdrowning the death star scene is just battle of mustifar just less epic. And the exagol battle is an over dramatic version of what the rotj final battle was. Honestly I feel like with Luke and Vader the battle of exagol would've been a little better than the original story NGL. The idea for a lot of the battle scenes were amazing and could've made for the best star wars fight scenes. However it kind of dropped the ball on some of them. Especially the final fight.
Isn't that just how JJ abrams works tho?
"This part of The Rise of Skywalker completely insults fan intelligence...
"
Is it the part that starts with the opening crawl and ends with the credits?
It's true.. all of it..
it starts with ep7 and ends with ep9
@@mishasubin episode 7 had issues but it easilly could have just been them playing safe
the real issue with the Prequels is that they had TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO DO TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MOVIES/TRILOGY
@@acoolnameemm Ep 7 has "minor" issues the first time you view it. The second and third time you view it the mistakes become apparent with the title crawl. The Resistance was only created to make an artificial emotion that was used to make the audience care for our heroes. To put it simply, they wanted Rebels vs Empire version 2. I actually have no problem with that, only if i were executed properly. But as we know it wasn't. At the end of RotJ the Empire was crippled, the top figureheads were eliminated and what we assume(and what happened) was that Luke brought peace, justice and democracy to the galaxy once again. But those achievements were ripped straight off by the two sentences of the title crawl of ep 7. JJ was too bothered to write a script that started with our beloved heroes already in power, so he lazily put together an opening crawl that basically undid literally everything the original trilogy heroes have done. It's an embarrassing start but sadly we were too blinded by "THE MILLENNIUM FALCOOOOONNN"
@@acoolnameemm And yes rian Johnson fucked up ep8 so badly it was like JJ was making fun of his infamous choices in the rise of skywalker. But ep9 was somewhat even worse in its own way. Good god.
One-Eyed Willy made the medallion and the map so someone could find the treasure. The Goonies found them, and put the clues together.
The Sith made the dagger and the Wayfinder devices to find Exogal. The Goonies found them, and put the clues together.
This is what I'm saying!
YES -- I as thinking GOONIES when Ray held up that stupid dagger/map. "Hey, we found the planet with no help from this dagger-map, you think this giant remnant of a Death Star is significant?" "Let's fly around it until we see the outline from a certain angle to make sure this is the right broken Death Star." "Oh, good thinking."
@@mpjstuff i mean there are two...
I was actually really impressed by the quality of this fan-made movie!
I know they almost seemed like they were getting paid to do this.
A fan made movie would at least care about lore.
@@LilyTheGecko1 then its a high quality bad fanfiction
I was gonna complain about the plot holes and bad writing... but then I remembered "Oh, the writers are high school kids that know no better, let's cut them some slack".
Nonetheless, an impressive fanfiction!
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My biggest problem with the sequels is they treat the original trilogy like some sort of ancient history. That stuff happened only thirty years ago. It would like finding a nineties scrunchy and treating it like an ancient hair device from the Dark Ages.
Yeah, and then they just kill off nearly every important character from the OT for no reason. After watching The Force Awakens I just walked into every other movie thinking: "Which beloved character they gonna kill off this time?"
@@Raxacoricofallapatorius Well, Han died because Harrison Ford had been pushing for Han's death, as he wanted Han to die. So that's why Han died.
@@zahktuthalxalyrion6364Oh yeah, then Rian Johnston killed off Luke for a laugh and Leia died in the last one because Carrie Fisher passed away (R.I.P). Although I hate the fact they went for the "out with the old, in with the new" tactic with the main characters by killing them off, they did do a brilliant job by using the unused footage from TLJ and some other small clips to have Leia still appear in the last movie.
90’s kid here. Have you met a gen Z kid??? It is like ancient history to them. It hurt me to find out like Jurassic Park was this very old movie or they didn’t know the other movies existed and only seen Jurassic World
Kids literally do this you realize
Soldier: “Captain, a Sith knife has been spotted in Sector 2 with a Mary Sue!”
Admiral Ackbar: “It’s a McGuffin!”
Dagger also assumes the wreckage of the 2nd death star would still be there completely intact in the middle of a violent ocean after 30 years of storms and corrosion
Was the tower even standing up? I would have figured that with it being on the surface for the DSII, it would have been ripped off due to the force of the explosion that destroyed DSII. It was an extremely thin tower too. Was there even any space for the vault in the tower?
Not to mention the Star Wars universe is full of scrappers and companies that will tear apart and sell old wreckage. I mean hell, that's basically the first thing we learn about Rey. Scrapper crews would have been all over that wreckage and after a couple decades it would have looked way different.
If this is directed to a mountain. This would make more sense. But a 30 years old ship? You must be 12 to think this is long time.
And scrap dealers.
This trilogy was bad. And this movie was so awful it actually destroyed parts of the original trilogy. Vader's sacrifice. The destroying of the second death star etc etc. Unforgivable
That's why it's non canon for me.
@@artix13x95 Its not cannon, its just disney's fan fiction
@@joebobbill100 no it is not
I think it as another dimension since lightsabers aren't as lethal and rey learned to use the force very easily
@@noelhogfors7344 And i don't know Why, but they call them laser swords.
i would rather watch a 4 hour movie about luke just living on his island than sitting through the sequel trilogy
Yep would be quite enjoyable
Or a a 10hour movie of just Yoda chilling on dagoba and doing Yoda things
We were supposed to get a Kenobi movie but they scraped it
@@ZayecValentine they scrapped it because they are turning it into a series kinda like the mandalorian
@@comrade_freddy ( In der Annahme das du deutsch bist ) JA , einfach nur JA xd
@@theinvictus9130 Annahme richtig
*holds dagger up
Rey: that's where one eye willy keeps his treasure.
Heeyyyyy yoouuuuuu guuuuuuyyssssss!!!!
"Sloth love Chunk!"...
..."Ro... Rocky Road?!"
You mean the rich stuff?
The smiling Dog thats exactly what i thought when i saw it in theaters.
Omfg . You win sir,!
Thank you........ I'm not the only one who thought this. I was willing to accept that the wayfinder devices were just basically thumbdrives with the coordinates, but when they used the dagger, I was like "Was this episode written by someone who also writes for Dora the Explorer?"
This trilogy is like a pathological liar who tells a lie, then has to tell a bigger lie to cover up the first lie, then has to tell an even more outrageous lie to cover the second lie, and then has to...etc...
Basically, it's the "stable genius" president of star wars.
@@Missingno_Miner Or perhaps the president of the United States
@@skankmancodyyou referring to the self proclaimed "stable genius"?
The sequels make no sense if you watch them together, but if you watch them separately, they still suck and make no sense whatsoever
*I'd like to see the deleted clip from the Phantom Menace of 10 year old Anakin putting the ancient sith language into C-3PO's database!*
Same!!!
I'm sorry I couldn't finish you 3PO, but do you still have the ancient sith language that you can't speak?
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i know it's a joke but to be clear threepio had his memory reset in rots
He didnt build it from ground up. He fixed very broken protocol droid. Its programming was already there.
I don't like the sequels. They are coarse, rough, irritating.. And they get everywhere
Edit: thanks for all the likes
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I love this comment LOL
Just like sand.
Lol
Now you're speaking my language
The whole newest trilogy is an insult to our collective intelligence.
Disney insults fans intelligence in general. Or they just made those movies for a bunch of idiots for bigger profits.
Both
What do you expect, it’s a studio that scored it big by making a subpar movie that everyone loved purely for the musicals.
Wrong
@@gospelfreak5828 What have you done
@@finnjager1510 ?
Everyone: There's no way of knowing where on that ship the wayfinder is.
Rey: Don't worry, I've watched The Goonies
That’s the only thing I could think during this movie!!! One-eyed Willie did it better
Hahah
It's like The Goonies and Batwahman combined.
First Order: Palpatine’s fleet will increase our numbers 10,000 fold. Rebels: *destroys that same fleet with a ragtag band of 1,000 tiny ships, dispite the fact that the Sith fleet had tens of thousands of ships each equipped with planet killer weapons. The Sith fleet can’t shoot back because for some reason they can’t find which way is up, but the rebel fleet is flying around everywhere.*
If Palpatine can stop a whole fleet with his force lightning, why does he even need a fleet in the first place?
@@johnleorid that force lightning shouldve destroyed small to medium ships like X wings
@@youwouldntremembermeanyway7410 Not when you actually do the physics calculations. Besides the fact that it takes a few second to burn his head away (extreme electricity would split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen, exploding the hydrogen during the process, so it wouldn't burn but explode), theres a lot of electricity in space. Solar winds, radiation, all that cool stuff our atmosphere blocks - ships are protected against this, I mean tey can travel at the speed of light, if some electricity can taske them down, how would they handle lightspeed?
This is just Fairytale logic with good and bad magic, where the evil overlord has insane magic powers.. I actually think jj abrams hates star wars and was making this movie to piss everyone off on purpose.
@@johnleorid true but we've actully seen Rey destroy a transport ship with force lightening in the same movie. Despite both scenes being pretty cool, they made no sense compared to each other.
@@m1santhropist410 Jep, I agree. ^^
rey: "this dagger has done horrible things"
also rey: * wields the lightsaber that killed all the younglings*
One of the rare series of movies where the "And it was all just a dream" ending would have been prefferable
I still believe, that Snoke was an old wizard, who used some poor magic to mislead Luke and his friends with visions, when suddenly Yuuzhan Vong arrived )
@@neterwan Would be a good shout if Disney didn't announce the intentions and reasons for all the characters doing what they do, the only development we got was Kylo and Maybe, Maybe Poe at a push
Luke or rey could totally dream this since they thought about adventure or parents so much.
It was actually just a daydream an autistic boy had while looking into a snow globe.
@@MWSin1 I'll have what their having
Harry Potter fans just universally decided that The Cursed Child was not canon to Harry Potter despite J.K. Rowling saying it was and I think Star Wars fans are kind of split doing the same thing.
At least that universally accepted. The Disney boot lickers insult anyone who refuses to accept the current trash canon
problem is these new movies depend so much on the old ones while constantly denying any importance in those
Been doing this since ep 8.
Legends is the way to go, from Dawn of the Jedi to Legacy.
That’s what I’ve been doing since episode one.
@@hylianhero1921 Well maybe if the complaints had not been 95% bullshit, maybe that would not be the case?
The dagger always bothered me. Especially how unlikely it is you have to stand in the exact spot to even use it. Just dumb
Palpatine returning is a cool idea. The problem with the sequel trilogy was that it came of of nowhere. If they wanted to do something as huge as BRING BACK THE MAIN VILLAN OF THE ENTIRE SIERIES, they should have built it up.
Yknow I bet they pulled it out of their ass as a cash grab. Sequel trilogy was already crashing make the flames a little brighter at least
@@tajkoreddeninthearctic194 probably.
I am guessing JJ Abrams didn't expect Ryan Johnson to kill Snoke. Not trusting Kylo to carry the movie as the big bad brought back Palpatine haphazardly.
Wouldn't be shocked if it was part of Abraham's plans and then Johnson fucked it out of existence in his film
I don't like the whole Palpatine came back.
That just ruin " the Anakin is the chosen one" thing
The only way to overcome this tremendous shit storm, is considering this trilogy not canon.
It's just a bad fan fiction story.
well the other trilogies are TRASH compared to the sequels, it's just that u dont have an imagination, you only think statistically and focus on "legitness" of movies.
@@anshpathak5658 That's obviously wrong
@@zdenda66alorddandas86 don't grace it with a response
@@anshpathak5658 Oh wait I get you now ! You're bringing up the old ,, It's a good movie but a bad sequel" right ? Well that may apply to the last jedi or maybe also force awakens but Rise of the skywalker is rather a pretty bad movie in general. And all those ,, good" movies together, don't really match up or anything so what you're saying can't apply, I think.
So if you'd flip this around. This trilogy will still be a mess that didn't have a plan. And even if the originals were a sequel to the sequels the originals would still be watchable altogether. I think.
So yes your statement can be applied to one movie but not to the whole trilogy. I think.
It's fine if you enjoy the movie, infact if you have enough imagination to enjoy this you might be also able to make a good movie of your own. B-but y'know... You can have people watch a blank screen for two hours and then argument against their dissatisfaction with ,, You just don't have enough imagination". Simply, weather you like it or not, the developers didn't have a plan and not even they could make something out of that nothing they had to present. Not developers, not fanbase, only you. If you managed to enjoy it thanks to your imagination then you deserve the praise, not the movie. Therefore, don't praise the movie for your work and let us hate on it xD I think.
Clones is the answer to everything:
-why is palpatine alive? clones.
-palpatine needs someone to talk. he create clones.
-palpatine needs builders for the ships? he create clones.
-palpatione needs food? he create clones, roast them with lightning and eat them.
i imagine palpatine lightning would the energy source for makng the clone machines works without running out of power, or it could be bad writting.
Tomas Chabrillon lol
Hey if that’s what we have to do to get clone troopers more screen time then I’m all for it
Wow... I'm rolling!!!
Clones are MGS equivalent of nanomachines in Star Wars
Does that mean Palpatine's lightning truly is unlimited power?
Honestly this trilogy is over and I still don't know what it was about.
Strong wahman
its calles the "skywalker saga" and has the least roles from the skywalkers lmao
@@randomporpoise exactly, they should have just left the Skywalker saga tf alone and just made this a separate trilogy without any of the original characters. Leave Han, Luke, Leia, Palpatine, and Anakin alone!!!
Ikr
First movie: don't worry about your lineage. Look to the future, not the past.
Second movie: oh, actually, your lineage does matter. Your parents were nobodies. But you can still be your own person.
Third movie: ACTUALLY, your lineage doesn't matter, but your parents were nobodies because your grandfather is evil Space Voldemort. But it's ok, don't let that define you. Just steal someone else's last name instead
Its about family...
JK its a complete SJW cluster fuck
This movie has the most contrived writing I have ever seen in a 'serious' film. The dagger is beyond stupid. You didn't even mention how they found the dagger. A random Stormtrooper shot the heroes knocking them off of their vehicles... knocking them directly into a quicksand pit that led to an underground tunnel that just so happens to have the dagger just lying on the ground. Not to mention the assassin guy just so happened to die so close to his spaceship.
Normally I try to overlook contrivances like this, but this was multiple contrivances back to back. Also, normally I would just argue that they would have found the dagger eventually, but in the film they were against a time limit to complete their discount 'Goonies' adventure.
The worst thing was, it all happened so fast these retarded situations that you never had time to process it and go...WHAAAAAAT?
In other words, railroading lol.
The script was a loyalty test by Disney to see how complying its creatives are
Adding to this, the whole quicksand scene reeks of the Harry Potter scene where the trio had to relax as they were swallowed by the Devils Snare.
It's sad because the dagger was actually a rare bit of genuine creativity in the film--only it made a negative amount of sense!
The Wayfinders and the dagger remind me of what Mark Twain wrote about a scene in _The Deerslayer_ where six men are lying in wait for a scow or raft to go by so they can slaughter the people aboard--only to get such a massive case of the idiot ball that they really screw the pooch:
"The scow episode is really a sublime burst of invention; but it does not thrill, because the inaccuracy of details throw a sort of air of fictitiousness and general improbability over it."
Palpatine: "Yes, if you kill me you will become the sith ruler mwahahaah"
Rey: "No I won't kill you"
Also Rey: *kills Palpatine anyways*
No no...he kills himself with the lighting....cause Rey did not intended to kill him.
Though you would think ol Palpatine would learn from his mistakes...after a first time being shocked to death almost.
@@Deku20235 But he still dies by Reys hand. Jad she not countered with "All of the Jedi" and "Two Lightsabres" ... oy...
But he dies because of her action against him. Meaning Palpatine had no reason NOT to possess her body.
@@ShadowKamehameha32 hè could have stopped it do it is suicide
@@ShadowKamehameha32 yeah but he always pushed Vader to kill him for the same reason. He wanted his potential and the Power that he had. Until he met Luke than he wanted Luke to kill them both so that he could be turned and the would haunt him. She was an acting part of his death but if he was killed by her in an act of rage and hatred he would've possessed her. She killed him using his power and in an act of defense as the Jedi would do. As well as the fact that her heart stopped and kylo cleansed and healed her body giving up his own life its very likely that sidious attempted to take control but when Ben healed her it purged his weakened spirit from her body.
@@cameronkemp575 But theres no way of us knowing that, since Force healing is an ability only shown thrice in this one movie, and the only time it shows to have a negative effect on someone is when Kylo uses it, Rey heals twice and is shown to have no repercussions whatsoever, not even fatigue from using, arguably, the most powerful Force Ability in existence.
We're not shown how Rey, or especially Kylo learned how to do this technique, it's never talked about beyond BB8 and never expanded upon.
Anything at this point is just people writing the script for the film to suit thier own head-canon, and unless there's proof from the movie itself, I ain't buying into it.
Disney’s answer : “Its the force..I guess?”
Palpatine: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Maybe he is vampire
That's not how the force works
@@bradlybellant3975 Nice.
@@totallynotzokix11_mc21 ty
*"This part of 'Rise of Skywalker' completely insults the fans' intelligence"*
_You uploaded every single scene of the movie to RUclips?_
I felt insulted when Poe said: "nav can't tell which way is up".
@@MrTridac this is unrelated to Rise of Skywalker, but I felt insulted in Last Jedi when we were expected to believe that Leia can survive in space
@@epiksar Actually, an average person can survive space for around 30 seconds. Everything else about it, though...
@@gusiguess2974 Leia was in space for almost one minute before she made it back onto the other ship
A human can survive in space for as little as 15 seconds to as long as 2 mins depending on whether or not you hold your breath and rupture your lungs. I'm sure there are many more factors that contribute to your survivability tho.
I love when Rey points out that many bad things were done with that dagger despite the fact she literally uses the same lightsaber Anakin used to murder kids😂😂
And the kyber crystal would have carried the bad vibes in a way she would have sensed. Just a stupid movie.
Remember when the Sith homeworld was Korriban? I do. Not this Exegol crap.
At least they could have done what they always do and simply steal the EU appearance that worked. That's what they did with holocrons ("wayfinders"), Revan's mask (Kylo Ren's mask), Palpatine's clones that kinda make sense (Palpatine's clones that make zero sense) and so on. We could have gotten what might in essence be "another" desert planet but actually feels like a completely different world. One that seems hostile and barren but whose hostility is something you need to feel on a subconscious basis. Not these over the top lighting storms and grayfest all around like wannabe Mordor.
Wolfgang Lunar Too many people knew about Korriban for Palps to go into hiding there in the Disneycanon.
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Remember when the Jedi homeworld was Tython? Good times. Gooooooood times.
@@vsGoliath96 i also remember when Tython required a balance of the force between light and dark and if it slipped one way or the other, wickedly strong storms ripped across the planet until the force was balanced again.
Oh yeah that Sith dagger was beyond stupid. I laughed out loud when they were in that cave looking for it and there was that Goonies skeleton down there, then physically facepalmed when Rey used it to find the wayfinder in the Death Star ruins. What?????
Goonies never die! Um...er... I mean JEDI never die!
MAsterr Serch Absolutely! It was the first thought I had GOONIES Skull had more impact!
Sheamus Catuli Honestly, I thought the way the dagger was used was f*cking INGENIOUS. It became so obvious that it was all part of Palpatine’s plan, to set Ochi up for failure just so Rey could find the dagger on his dead body, use it to find the wayfinder, and come to Exegol so he could turn her to the dark side. He’s used the Force to look through time before. Maybe he looked into the future and specifically designed the dagger so it would line up the the Death Star ruins on the ocean moon from a certain distance. If that was his plan, it actually kinda succeeded, because Rey did find and make it to Exegol AND - bonus - inadvertently lured all the remaining rebellion against Palpatine’s official return to galactic rule to what would’ve been their utter annihilation AT HIS DIRECT HAND. The only flaw in his plan was Rey’s defiance. Had she struck him down as he wanted her to or been turned to the dark side, either way, it would’ve literally been LIGHTS F*CKING OUT for every single rebel ship at Exegol. I just can’t ignore how genius this plan was.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 Or maybe you're the genius for constructing this narrative after the fact.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 I'd love it if Palpatine became that smart again, but I really really doubt this was the case.
That dagger was dumb as hell. Why would someone write down information on a dagger. That makes no sense. It would have made more sense of they just said there was a tracker on the wayfinder and that's how they knew where it was on the death stat wreckage. Plus whoever possessed the dagger, how would they know what spot to stand in to be able to use it. Just dumb shit that I have no idea how it got into the final cut of the movie.
Maybe someone really liked the Duck Tales episode where Scrooge was searching a treasure, but the map was actually a model ship? But then Glomgold also had a copy of the map, because the model of the ship fell into molten chocolate in an earlier episode and so Flintheart keeps the piece of chocolate in an ice cream cart. I mean, it is both Disney.
So the makers of of the movie really liked that Duck Tales episode, but they wanted to make it more badass by replacing the ship with a dagger. The movie would have been so much butter if Kylo had a chocolate imprint of the dagger. It would have made the ridiculousness of the dagger itself so much easier to accept.
Even better: who can guarantee that the trashed death star looks exactly like the form of the dagger after decades of the enviroment eating at the wreckage?
Symbiote Sam The dagger had exact coordinates on it. I assume she was standing there.
The dagger was another bad plot point. What if they said that Palp used this dagger to kill his own master, and then Mary Sue and Co. Had to use Palps connection to it to find him. Everything in Rise of Reywalker seems like a half assed rush to the finish line. The dagger is just another example of this. There was potential, aure, but no pay off. It could have been an actual key to a door. It could have had a connection to an ancient sith. Etc. Instead, they ripped off the Goonies of all movie. Yay.
Did the dagger exist before the Death Star? If so they must have not only known it was going to be destroyed but what bit fell where?
It was this moment that reduced the entire amazing saga to little more than an RPG with ridiculous quests.
Which is an absolute insult to actual RPGs.
Ridiculous quests in an RPG are usually more funny and entertaining.
An RPG session when the GM is deeply in love with one of the players?
Anyone realise how disrespectful rey is by buried his lightsaber in the sands of tatooine the place he hates the most.
In sand what anakin hates the most.
Which he Anakin or Luke or both?
@@abramsullivan7764 Anakin , he hate everything about sand
credit where it's due: burying the lightsaber next to Shmi is genuinely a strong move.
Too bad the entire trilogy is tangled up in stupid plots and hollow attempts at evoking emotions that it falls flat.
Tatooine is a horrible place for the Skywalkers, Anakin and his mother were slaves, Luke got his uncles and his home destroyed and burnt down and Leia was enslaved by a giant slug. Burying the lightsaber in the sand on Tatooine is diserepectful
Imagine if the cliff they were standing on to hold the dagger up didn't exist anymore, due to heavy erosion caused by the strong sea waves.
I guess the force kept the cliff intact for several decades, just for Rey...
Nah, you have it wrong. Rey made that mountain when she was a child, and due to her seemingly unlimited power, it stayed up for her. Also the Death Star fell into perfect position by it because Rey pulled the Death Star to the mountain before she was even born
Or if the moon-sized ship continued to lose structural integrity from the torrential salt water and more of it went underwater causing the ocean to rise. It's a good thing, though, that it shrunk to the width of large city. That way not only would it not cause that problem, but it's more feasible that Rey could neander around in it to find the wayfinder without any lifts or transport that were necessary in the deathstar before its crash.
She a mary sue, what u think happen.
what? how the fuck do you expect an entire cliff to just up and vanish in a few decades?
@@mjolnirsoul9214 moon-sized object falling apart sinking further into the ocean = displacement of water and stronger tides.
The Sequel Trilogy's existence completely insults fan intelligence.
Four grand of likes? If only this made money somehow.
Pedro Kantor I agree... Now write the same thing in r/starwars and observe the fan intelligence.
@@sebastianjohansen2142 that sub is pure garbage
Gotta agree, it’s not even so bad it’s good like the prequels it’s just stupid
Brandon Smith what a dumb fucking comment. Here’s how: nobody made you reply to that comment, grow up. See how easy it is?
@Brandon Smith How can one form a proper opinion of something without actually watching it?
"It's a movie about space wizards for children."
Honestly this would come across as dumb even to children
I always hate that argument, because children deserve quality entertainment too. Just because they'll eat crap doesn't mean it's okay to feed them crap
@@battlesheep2552
There's a reason _My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic_ and _Bluey_ both really took off. Neither one talked down to the kids, and there was something for the parents as well.
I prefer calling it a mcmuffin
As it was foretold by the Spiders...
I go a step further and say mclovin
2 for 4 deal mmmhmmm
The Long Man aprooves :-)
Mauler approves
Watch return of the Jedi.
The Death Star is completely destroyed, yes?
Well how is there part of the Death Star still on Endor?
And also if Rey was standing like a metre to the right
She wouldn’t have lined up the dagger and the Death Star
Wtf Disney?
Captain Rex NO! IT’S BECAUSE THE PLOT! THE PLOT GUYS! WE’RE GREAT WRITERS! BECAUSE P L O T! FINNGO R E Y! GREAT CHARACTER: REY GO WAH I HAVE NO PARENT DIMA LITTLE BTICH FUCKC IDD! CUEL CHARACTER DJFNFNFJRJD DXE
@@traktor420 Your comment is basically how TROS felt for me.
What is dumb is that the planet they're on is not Endor, it's another moon of Endor, Endor is a gas planet.
You already have the answer in your question.
Disney.
What if the person holding the dagger was left handed, it would have been completly off.
The Death Star Plans are NOT a "MacGuffin" since they do, directly, enable the Rebel Force to determine the "fatal flaw" in the Death Star and so to destroy it (with some help from the Force). A true "MacGuffin" is simply something of value which everyone is seeking but which does not otherwise influence the plot.
Understanding of plot, this one has.
Yeah.... Your right. The famous glowing suitcase isnt a mcguffin either because mcguffins motivate the plot wich Pulp Fiction does not have. Its actually an overrated pointless movie in my opinion but im clearly in the overwhelming minority on that one.
Agreed. MacGuffins are usually nonsensical in that they pop up as needed, solely to push the plot along and then they're never mentioned again. They are insignificant or irrelevant all by themselves. The briefcase in "Pulp Fiction" or the One Ring in "Lord of the Rings" are NOT MacGuffins because those things are central to the story of those movies, they're things that everybody wants and they're mentioned constantly.
A good example of a MacGuffin would be in the Mel Brooks movie "High Anxiety" where they make fun of the device. In the movie, Mel Brook's character has a fear of heights, so he reserves a hotel room on the first floor. But when he goes to check in, the receptionist tells him that a "Mr MacGuffin" called earlier and changed his room to the 20th floor. This small change turns his otherwise uneventful stay into a far more difficult and dramatic one.
The death star plans are NOT in the main computer.
@@KneelB4Bacon Old comment but a McGuffin is usualy an element central to the plot but has no direct effect on it. A McGuffin is an "object" that everyone wants to get but which is never used (if it even has an use) or sometimes, the effect once used just help close the plot while not doing what it was supposed to.
- the briefcase is a McGuffin, everyone wants to have it for the sake of hhaving it
- the falcon in The Maltese Falcon is the same
- the Ark in Indiana Jones is too, since it does nothing for the plot other than existing (then killing the Nazis, not giving them power)
- the Death Star plans are not realy a McGuffin since they are literaly used for the exact purpose they were seeked by the rebels
I suddenly realized that "just plug it in to your ship's computer" raises a problem of data compatibility, as well as universal connection ports.
It doesn’t even make sense beyond that. Like what data is it providing? It’s surely more than a single coordinate because you wouldn’t need an entire device to communicate 1 coordinate. So…is it somehow tracking the ship’s position and like taking control of the ship completely to do some complex navigation based on its real time position? But aren’t the people using it shown still steering the ships themselves? It makes zero sense.
The disney "planning" of this film:
"okay we're out of villians, let's bring back palpatine, people love him"
"okay how is he back"
"ummmm...I dunno, let's just use a quote everybody likes to explain it"
"great"
"now where is he and what has he been doing"
"he's hiding somewhere, but he's broken and weak in the body"
"okay good logic, means we have an excuse as to why he didn't exist for years"
"oh no, he's always been there, snoke is palpatine"
"really? okay, I suppose that works, it's a good way to brush him under the carpet and make it seem like he was important. Now, what does Palpatine want to do"
"rule the galaxy"
"as a broken husk?"
"oh no, he's going to use a quote everybody loves to explain how he can suck the life out of one character and regenerate himself, kind of like a dementor crossed with a vampire crossed with a force user"
"I like it, explained away with a quote...people love nostalgia quotes. WHo's he sucking off? Kylo?"
"oh no, Rey, Rey is a Palpatine"
"whaaaaaat?"
"yeah...so we were wondering how to make it seem like she is OP and actually keep her relevant, so we decided to make her the granddaughter of the villain"
"ahhh smart, it means she can do anything Palpatine can do and the fans can stop complaining. Now how does Palpatine get them?"
"well....we haven't gotten that far. We thought about some hidden maps"
"you mean like TFA?"
"yes...but different so the fans don't notice"
"but won't they just pick up on the repetition? How do they come across these maps and why are they looking for them?"
"well Palps sends out a phone call so everyone knows he is back and then theyjust find the maps in the places that they know to find them because off screen they find out"
"won't the audience pick up on the lack of explanation?"
"no, we'll play some force music and cover the lack of explanation with a thin veil of convolution and messy "jedi stuff" to make it seem like there is reason behind our logic when in fact we got nothing. The fans llooooooooooove force stuff don't they?"
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Dark O-man ... TLDR
Sounds like Pitch Meetings.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
Actually it'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience
I think there is something much worse than the dagger...
Sheev: "Hey, so for decades I've been building the most powerful fleet in history in secret waiting to strike, I think I should notify the entire Galaxy I've alive and that I'm coming."
Practically anyone working for him: "So, great plan...do you mind if we wait like, I don't know, a day or two? See, the fleet is still in just above the planet surface and will be useless."
Sheev: "No! I want to do it now!"
Someone else: "I get that, but we're literally just getting them off the planet now. We can hurry it up if you want, how about you sleep on it and announce your return in the morning?"
Sheev: "Nonsense, I'm unstoppable! Name one other time I've ever been defeated because I was careless...as a matter of fact, I already sent out the message WHEN THE SHIPS WERE STILL UNDERGROUND! What do you think about that, smart ass!?!"
(Or was it under ice...I just rewatched the scene and it's not super clear)
Haha!
I don't think anything about this film was super clear, and frankly even if it was I don't think it would make it any better lol. I agree though, the entire film's premise is laughably stupid and it's all illogical for the character in the first place. It's some of the most blatant lack of ideas that I've ever seen in a film, let alone one of this calibre. Completely agree with you.
I would of dispatched smaller fleets to other sectors of the unknown regions instead of keeping them offline and at 1 spot
Since the beginning of movie time bad guys have giving ample warning or have literally said exactly what they were gonna do and the entire. Since the beginning.
@@chandlerscaringia5260 since the beginning of consumable media*
Books have plotlines like this too.
This is just basic Minecraft adventure map story design. Actually, you know what? It's an insult to basic Minecraft adventure map story design
Anyone who mentions Minecraft is not the target demographic for star wars 9. lol fucking children.
@@mucephi1 These 'fucking children' who mention Minecraft would've been a better target demographic than the fucking bullshit Disney pulled for Feminists at the cost of curb stomping everything that had been done previously. And for your fucking information, a Minecraft adventure map designed would've made a better fucking story than this shit.
@@pyrauxe3507 Don't watch it, it wasn't made for kids like you anyway. The feminist crap was 7 and 8 not 9. Maybe you haven't seen it yet? Maybe you have? If so its too late to complain about it isn't it?
Minecraft is for pimple covered fat little shitboys. I shouldn't be too tough though considering you will never get laid as long as your limp wristed weak ass lives.
@D'niro Gavin No idea what that even means Dino.
@@mucephi1 Why you acting so tough, huh? Hiding behind a screen while you insult children. So what if I'm not an adult? Clearly I know more about this crap than you do. And so what if I haven't seen it? In my opinion, Star Wars ended during Return of the Jedi. I don't need to see it.
Minecraft was made for everyone who wants to play it. And I still stand by my opinion on adventure map creators opinion. And by the 'feminism crap' I mean the bullshit Mary Sue that Rey is. I was told Rey's first shot in the movie was of her fucking levitating. Ever see any Jedi who have trained since childhood that could do that, not even Anakin Skywalker, most powerf force wielder ever to exist? She isn't trained anywhere near that extent. Her powers are bullshit explained because 'shes palpatines granddaughter' or, in the words of Kathleen Kennedy herself, she is a 'strong, independent woman.' Training since childhood? Nah just give her an energy drink and she's on her way. And what about the dagger? Specifically crafted to be used in the precise spot at the precise angle on this cliff? Nothing shifting around or making things move or ruining the bullshit idea? From what I heard, nope she justs holds it up first try and bam. It lines up with the Death Star, the moon-sized battlestation that was thought to be completely obliterated in Ep. 6? Nah, there's just a fucking piece of it chilling. Survived the crash too, not like it was blown up when that happened. Oh, and it's the part with the Wayfinder in it? Well, isn't that just convenient.
There is something... An incredible feeling you get from watching the OT. Something that just grabs at you and makes you glued to the screen, that just envelopes you in the epic fantasy... And that feeling, I just can't find it in the sequels. I cannot find it because, perhaps, it is not there.
"Tried to make it sound more intriguing than it really was... " "... add a sense of mystery..."
Welcome to JJ's quackery.
He is such a terrible writer its almost impressive
Red cloud, red matter, JJ Abrams is completely void of an original or creative idea.
He keeps pulling the same crap out of his as-whoops, I mean his _mystery box_
Enterprise rising out of the water
Star destroyers rising out of the ice/water
JJ thinks red thing, job done
and Red letter Media.
Let's not forget the Sith Troopers in their snazzy red armor
Rey: That dagger has done horrible things.
Also Rey: *Is literally holding a lightsaber that killed Jedi younglings
Not the younglings!
@@chickentendies4485 yes
I think you mean The youngling slayer 9000
@@lutan4867 fetus deletus Light Saber
@@joshuaparnecio4404 i don't recall any one stabbing fetuses with that
The Force Awakens reviews
One side: criticisms
Other side: they've got a plan. Wait and see.
The Last Jedi reviews
One side: more criticisms
Other side: Come on guys. They've got a plan. Just have faith
The Rise Of Skywalker
One side: Oh my God, so many criticisms
Other side: ......[crickets chirping]
7 is alright.
I love 8.
But I very much don't like 9.
@@gannonhunt4284
I love 7
8 is not bad (it still m=created plot holes)
*I HATE 9*
7 was alright.
I did not like 8
By 9, I basically turned on the side of my brain that likes Jumanji, and Rampage, and just enjoyed the action and fun.
I think this mindset allowed me to actually kinda enjoy ep. 9.
I hate all 3 of them
Just by comparing them with the original even the prequels are far better
@@rafaeldeoliveiranobre6064 I don't really think the prequels are better over all. I think the sequels are better executed. And I think episode 8 has better directing, acting, story and new characters than the prequels.
Bad guy: [crafts dagger]
Ocean: [continues to crash waves, eroding the ground on which Death Star fragments rest, causing them to shift]
Bad guy: Shit! [crafts new dagger]
Dang, erosion....
No, he kills the current owner of the dagger (if it isn’t him) and carves the new shape into it, watching the Death Star remains for eternity
There's just a slew of oddly shaped swords strewn across the galaxy, each one shorter than the last.
Can we just delete the sequels and have Dave Filoni, a diehard Star Wars fan, to directe the better sequels
Underrated comment please can this happens
They don't even have to completely redo 7. They can just replace snoke with thrawn and redo 8 and 9
I'm just imagining someone at Disney saying: "Yea, we can do that..." *presses the delete button and wipes the entire sequel trilogy*
@@visisydandthevoid No, they need to trash the whole set and start fresh. How can you see a "hyperspeed weapon" blast incoming???
Yes! Yes please!
George Lucas: "The Skywalker Saga is about Anakin Skywalker. His rise and fall and rise again in the story is like poetry. It was not about Luke because he was merely a catalyst to bring Anakin back"
Disney: Haha Palps force lightning go brrrrrrr
LOL
And what was your point here exactly? Disney did not ruin Anakin`s legacy nor his own personal story.
@@Morten_Storvik yes they did. Don't know why Anakin was rarely if not ever mentioned in the 7,8, and 9 movie. The entire Skywalker saga revolved around him. Not Luke, not Rey, not even Kylo or Palpatine. Anything Rey achieved would have never been possible if it weren't for Anakin. He's the God dang chosen one ffs.
@@Squantoh Presicely. So how did they ruin it since the success against Palpatine was thanks to Anakin?
@@Morten_Storvik they took away his greatest achievement by bringing back palpatine. They spit in the face of his sacrifice to save his son and the universe by undoing the thing he was born to do.
My grandkids in 30 years: "Grandpa can we watch star wars?!"
Me: "Have I ever told you about the tragedy of the rise of skywalker and the sequel trilogy?"
It's not a story that the true fans would tell you.
@Marcus Aurelius Plus worldbuilding.
and the high ground
The sequel trilogy is a pathway to many stories some fans would consider to be..BULLSHIT.
oh my gawd, the poor children...lol No one gives a shit
I recall, as a Trek fan, being really annoyed at Star Trek X: Nemesis, for inventing a ridiculous kind of radiation (thalaron radiation) which nonsensically destroys organic material at the subatomic level (absolutely meaningless since nothing differentiates organic from inorganic material below the molecular level), when they could have just said it was a generic superweapon. I later thought I was being too harsh for criticizing storytelling devices. I have so much empathy for what Star Wars fans have to go through with the laziness of their writers and the storytelling devices they lean on. I feel your pain.
I was thinking the whole time that they (in Exagon) probably had a Replicator, so they could just "earl grey, hot, two sugars!" and voila, no need for having the thé transported through that dangerous path.
@@Misterobozo1 it's probably something as simple as Exegol being just one planet in a whole sector containing other systems with agriculture etc., but that's too mundane to depict.
It's not, though. That part of the galaxy is undeveloped, uncolonized, and not even very well explored. There's a reason the secret Sith planet is there.
They could’ve just put a holocron instead of a “wayfinder”.
They could've thrown out the writers instead of making a new movie
@The Steve Show, that would require general knowledge of star wars.
@Saturninus, they could've hired an actual writer rather than the hacks they pulled out of Kathline's ass
i thought it was a holocron when i saw the movie open on the first night, i was hyped for that representation until i heard them call it a wayfinder
@@adamjenkins7653 Favreau, Filoni, and Pablo Hidalgo should’ve been the ones making the sequels. They actually know the canon and don’t insult our intelligence by forcing us to suspend our disbelief over things that are ridiculous even for Star Wars. Whoever thought it was a good idea to hire JJ was a complete moron
@@Bilboswaggins2077 Disney will probably (AND HOPEFULLY) make the sequel trilogy (non canon) and scrap it to hand the reigns for a proper sequel to filoni and favreau after their success so far. The way i see it, Mandalorian season finale sets up a potential recreation of a proper sequel trilogy very well
Mcguffin sounds like something you'd fine on a McDonald's menu
I’m pretty sure it is
A mcguffin with a large fry hold the salt, and a large sprite...oh and extra ketchup and bbq sauce..my daughter loves bbq sauce with her mcguffin.
The meal everyone wants
McMuffin
Teen Titans Go made a joke like that
This movie completely ignored Vader’s sacrifice. Like what the frick! The whole first 6 episodes are completely pointless then!
No you’ve got it the wrong way round these 3 episodes were pointless
That's what angers me the most. It just erased the whole point of 6 movies!
And how is this rise of Skywalker when there is no Skywalker left whatsoever. Because this Mary Rey is no Skywalker to me.
Disney thinks fans are pointless. Obviously if they did care they would have made a better trilogy. Disney just likes to prove how much they suck at the expense of our time.
@@miraxterrik but that's the point.
Pushing the left agendas.
This crap of a trilogy is actually a lot like Batwoman.
Remember that line?
I won't let a man take credit for a woman's work?
Then steals everything from man.
That's Rey.
miraxterrik skywalkers are created by the force.
it's crazy to me that fans and common people can come up with so many much better ideas for the story than the ones used in the actual franchises... goes to show that people in charge have no idea wtf they are doing
I personally found the "they fly now" moment more insulting, as it's one big slap in the face for all of us who kept up with both the old EU and the new canon, and we have seen jet pack technology for years in the SW universe and all of a sudden decades later in the SW timeline there all of a sudden a new thing that none of them have seen before? Even C3PO? For goodness sake they live in a world were long-distance space travel is as easy as driving a car.
Don’t get me wrong the subject at hand is also pretty degrading to our intelligence. In fact that’s the rise of skywalker as a whole.
Faustino Carver-Orozco Yeah, even I’ll admit that was pretty dumb.
It also just makes Poe look like the biggest dumbass in the galaxy cause he runs into Jet Troopers in the first issue of his comic thats set before TFA.
even in canon, they had jetpacks 60+ years before TROS, let alone the old republic era etc.
Yes how is a jet pack supposed to surprise us this is SCI Fi!
I find the writer’s lack of intelligence disturbing
the ability to write a movie does not make you intelligent
@Joshua Khoury élève the point qui gon was making is that speaking isnt intelligence, it depends on what you actually speak
i can write a movie, just copy paste a bunch of other scripts together and play with plastic toys, boom im better than ryan johnson
Don't, the writers just wanted a woman to be a main star and made her God basically yet a retarded god for feminism and equality sake without realizing literally everyone loved Leia and Carrie for her wonderful banter and opinions of "I have a gun, shut the fuck up with being triggered about the sun burning bikini."
The Emperor will not be pleased
I have altered the saga. Pray I do not alter it further. - Darth Mickey
By far, one of the best assessments I've seen regarding the way-finders. I don't have an issue with way-finders in general...like you said, we've seen them before in the saga. It was these two particular way-finders that I thought were, either not developed enough in the case of the Sith WF, or just absolutely ridiculous in the case of the dagger (a concept that was actually portrayed more competently in 1985's The Goonies).
The wayfinders felt like they cheated us out of seeing a holocron in live action for the first time
Honestly, this. I was like "Oooh, holocrons!"
"...Holocrons with USB apparently.
"That don't even open."
@@sethb3090 basically the sequel trilogy insults true star wars fans intelligence the ending pissed me off my older brother brought me to see the movie and they were things in the movies that were pointless he said the wayfinders were pointless due to rey and i told him rey is not a skywalker and he agreed with me my other friend ray said the movie made no sense he said rogue one was way better than the sequel trilogy
@@sethb3090 he also the dagger made no sense either and kylo ren going from bad to good made no sense and i said rens death made no sense he should have stayed alive and celebrated with the rebels i hate calling them by their name its hard for me to spell but my other friend thinks the rise of skywalker sucked along with the force awakens and the last jedi
@@DarthVaderReturns1 I'm not disagreeing with you, but please use punctuation.
@@sethb3090 how can i i onl type with one finger iv been typing with one finger for a seriouly long time i cant help it