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The narrator’s voice is really good. I like him.
He's not Phil he can go fuck himself
@@bennyhoffa7648 Wow, you realise Phil isn't the only person who works on this channel right? It's a whole company. Phil has a lot of things to do himself, he can't do everything.
Arrowflight YOU only do. Show some respect to people who go through the trouble of doing this research
@@Arrowflight sure, personalities go a long way on youtube, but this is a "spin off" series apart from his main news videos. If someone took over the main news videos without warning or reason, then sure, I'd be kinda annoyed. But for a video like this, give the guy a break.
@@skylarkblue1 Right! the channel would go the way of RayWilliamJohnson if that happened. But lots of people would probably still be interested in getting their news in this format.
Maybe we should make "generic blocking" tactics a new crime under antitrust laws.
Or just end drug patents.
@@skmo7105 ending that could be disastrous but what they could do is let the FDA decide the price cap based on how much money was spent on research and development and how much of it was through government subsidies
And thats where the lobbying comes in.
Killateral All lobbying should be banned!
@@skmo7105 I mean if wd did that, what company is going to spend time/research on development?
I take the Suboxone film, and recently they just gave me an option for generic suboxone film, which reduced my cost from 200$ to 70$. It was a huge cost decrease. That's crazy how i could have been using the pills and been paying less this whole time though. It's all about money, and is disgusting
But at the same time, bupe gave me my life back.
Same, bupe saved my life as well. But the prices were absurd at times. My doc had me on 2mg a day, it cost me ~100 a month. But when I decided to go to rehab to get off subs I heard many people were being prescribed 16-24 mg A DAY. I’m glad my doc kept me at 2 mg a day and had me taper down slowly before I left for detox.
I too am in recovery, on methadone and I'm in the medical field as well... I can personally attest to how predatory drug companies are, I saw it daily. They send ridiculously good looking, charming drug representatives to doctors offices and send them with lunch for the entire office. They then convince the doctors why their drug should be pushed on the patients they see. They will also do presentations for the entire office to teach us why we should rave about their drug as well. I saw it all the time until I ended up working for a huge medical corporation which has a policy of not allowing free lunches or any other "bribes" essentially from drug companies. I can honestly say, for me anyway, the fact that these replacement therapy drugs exist allows ppl like us to function normally and be contributing, productive members of society. It's sad that drug companies actively seek out ways to take advantage of the most vulnerable amongst us. They do it to cancer patients, diabetes, asthma, ALL major or terminal illnesses, addiction, pain (in which case they just get you string out) ... Drug companies, regardless of costs, go above and beyond to take advantage of people's vulnerabilities. The goal in charging astronomical prices is not to make costs back, I'm tired of that BS excuse. Its to make EXORBITANT profits and play with peoples lives while they do it.
I wish you continued strength. Keep up the good fight ❤️✌🏽🤝🕊️
I take suboxone myself. And have seen in my clinic other people without insurance who before paid $400 for suboxone vs 60$ for the generic films.. crazy !!
Danielle Spargo but I’m there with you about it saving my life, been clean now 2.5 years now because of it. Congrats on your own success I always like hearing stories like these 👍😊
Anybody on this thread see a HUGE difference in effectiveness between the brand and the generic of the films? Night and day. Another issue with this because sure, you can have the more effective brand name med, but you’re gonna pay! Here take this dollar store version of your med and like it.
12:10
“That was stuff we did years ago.”
As if that makes it any less wrong
@Karol Jeske This isn't "the past" from WW2, this is the past from just a few years ago, and these things are completely incomparable. Also I don't know if you watched the video, but Indivior specifically stood in the way of progress while causing losses for society, using illegal tactics, just so they could line their pockets. Indivior has blood on their hands for the people that were unable to afford treatment specifically because of their unethical and at times illegal tactics to prevent generics.
@Karol Jeske
We're talking about 5 years ago... not over 5 decades ago.
@Karol Jeske
So when did Bayer sell cocaine toothpaste?
And what does that have to do with what I'm referring to.... the wire/mail/healthcare fraud that was brought up at 12:00, which the company dismissed as "stuff that happened in the past".
Edit: And why are you pulling the "whatabout" nonsense with Bayer when the discussion is about Invidior.
@Karol Jeske
What does that have to do with the fraud I'm talking about?
Karol Jeske
Apparently they weren’t “operating within the legal system” when the legal system brought dozens of fraud charges against them
I've been volunteering at a methadone clinic for years now. This is such an important thing to talk about, it's a crisis in both the US AND here in Canada. Thank you for bringing some much needed attention to this and sparking more conversations!
Couldn't be that the god damned doctors are incentivized in Canada (who am i kidding, in the US too) to keep people on Methadone by getting money per dose prescribed from big pharma. Over the last 9 years as a cabbie, I've driven numerous people to and from those clinics and it's almost always the same. They get put on it due to a) their own stupidity or b) doctor fucking up the dosage. Then after a few months of methadone use (when they should be tapering off of it already), someone at the clinic "accidentally" gives them a double/triple dose and their forced to stay on the shit longer. More often than not, these people drink only half of it and wean themselves off it because doctors are too fucking greedy to actually help people with their problems.
Best thing I've seen yet is one day I roll up with a lady at 4pm. Clinic closes at 4:30. She hops out and I look over and there's a sign on the door "We closed early. Sorry for the inconvenience." the lady lost her mind. It's a scam to fuck people over plain and simple.
@@hardleecure clearly an opinion formed by someone looking through a window never stepping through a door to learn the truth. It's much easier to sit back, daydream about conspiracy theories, and judge.
@BigRedRidingBear Stop writing that bullshit everywhere.
methadone does fuckall for people. everyone i know who used methadone still used heroin all the time because you can get methadone then go use H. suboxone makes it wheres its impossible to go use on it
@@mattjohnston2 I've been on Subutex for 16 months. *My Doctor, ANIL PRASAD in Slidell, La was just arrested a few weeks ago.* He was a *"Pain Management"* doctor *before* he prescribed Suboxone. Made $ getting us hooked and weaning us off! *He committed over $1 in Medicaid fraud.*
Stole all that $ & still dressed like shit.
*All that being said, Subutex is a miracle drug & saved my life.*
I commend you for working @ a clinic. People forget that addicts dont WANT to be addicts. They are in pain and only want relief.
Pharmaceutical companies are becoming very predatory they need to be regulated like loans
Nerdlin Geeksly becoming? Shit.
I'd at least suggest that pharma companies could vary. At one end, you have a company that spends very little on new research, has a captive (vulnerable) audience and is run by finance guys (you gotta get your startup money from someone). But you could plausibly have a company with a greater percentage of investing in research (but still needing to balance the books, and have money to mitigate risk). i think you need to accept the place of capitalism to (hopefully) drive innovation OR you need a fundamentally different funding model*.
* The capitalist insistence is that without profit motivations people don't have compete and it undercuts individual work and organisational structure. So they would perhaps express things as not just needing a new funding model, but requiring a new model of human motivation.
anything using predatory tactics should get regulated, so company know that kinda bechavior its not accepted at all.
Nobody:
A big pharma company: *Defrauding noises*
@BigRedRidingBear that was uneccesary
I don't know why but I imagined the "Defrauding noises" sounded like how it used to sound signing on to the internet with a dial up connection😂
I hope every CEO and their kids die horrifically that are preventing people who need these meds or were on them, from getting them back.
I've been on Subutex for 16 months. *My Doctor, ANIL PRASAD in Slidell, La was just arrested a few weeks ago.* He was a *"Pain Management"* doctor *before* he prescribed Suboxone. Made $ getting us hooked and weaning us off! *He committed over $1MILLION in Medicaid fraud.*
Stole all that $ & still dressed like shit.
*All that being said, Subutex is a miracle drug & saved my life.*
@outcasted Opal yeah
Fentanyl took my dad’s life. Thank you for sharing this.
I'm so sorry for your loss. ❤
Yeet
Same, did a shot of heroin while going to the methadone clinic it had fentanyl in it and he had taken xanax earlier in the day. That trifecta was automatic death. You know that perdue invented oxycontin and the new formula at the same time because they know it would cause an overdose epidemic so they wanted a safer backup option for when the fda/dea made it illegal? Perdue single handedly caused this epidemic and they planed every single step. They sold their original recipy to notable mexican cartels who now produce fentanyl laced oxy 80's that are water soluble, its fucking insame you will see them sometimes in california, when i saw one a couple years ago i asked my dealer why a pill outlawed in 2008 was available for sale(he was mexican) he said his crew gets em from his family down south from a few cartels that partnered with a pharmaceutical company(its barley even a Secret)
Same here, and before I was able to get clean almost mine, twice. Really needs to stop but I’m glad there are people like Phil raising awareness on big platforms.
I’m so sorry
Thank you Phil, et al. Opiates like oxycontin and heroin, and solutions like methadone and Suboxone are things I've been close to for a long time. I appreciate hearing the story, and improving my education.
Thanks Phillip for being one of the best and most reliable news channels on RUclips... well researched and well presented.
Keep up the great work 🙌
He's a criminal. Search better help, and numerous other of his " endeavours "
Farah - For political news, try out the Real News Network (YT) and Secular Talk (YT).
RNN is more of a story + interview perspective, while ST is a story (w/ receipts) + commentary perspective.
jason ross you need to look up what a criminal is lol
@@jayr6666 You're still stuck on that old better help BS?
@@jayr6666 lmfao. You dont even know what you are talking about.
The first step in the right direction I believe is banning drugs/medicine adverts from airing on tv.
Especially if it means kids get information about drugs from an early age.
I have never lived in America but I always found it astounding that pill advertisements were aired.
totally agree, you shouldnt be able to go into a doctors office and say what prescription drugs you want like its a shop
YES! This is one of many things that needs to happen
yes agreed every other commercial (if you are watching certain tv channels) is for drugs
Its suggestive marketing.
Suboxone films almost killed me. From 4/3/17 to 10/31/17 I was on hospice for organ failure. I was taken off of all meds including Suboxone (which I had been taking for a few years) and given narcotic pain meds to die on. Oddly enough, I got better. in the beginning of 2018, I went back n Suboxone and shortly after, my symptoms started returning. Up to that point, we had no idea why my organs were failing. Upon further investigation, we found out that (what I no one realized were) symptoms I'd been having were caused by that drug. None of the symptoms seemed to tie in together, for 1 1/2 years! All of my Dr.'s knew my symptoms, including the one prescribing Suboxone, but the side effects can be so obscure, that they don't seem to make sense.
For anyone taking Suboxone or thinking about it, please read up on the side effects. We found all of the ones I was having on Suboxone's website under the rare side effects lists.
Best of luck.
Thank you for the story.
Loca Luna that sucks, it must be rare. How are you today??
@@denamullen340 thank you for asking. I'm doing pretty good I guess. Am on low dose morphine and still in a lot of pain. For all the damage Suboxone did, I must say it is the one drug that helped with pain. Shame. I still have some long term effects but am no longer in danger.
Loca Luna I will pray for you right now sweetie. Good luck and good vibes 💖✨✨
@@denamullen340 thank you very much. You are so kind. Back atcha!
And now the people with chronic pain can’t get treatment and are killing themselves.
This!
Truth!! Thank you!
Yep! It’s been happening for years.
Unfortunately, the opioid epidemic has hit those of us who are chronic pain warriors. I have osteoarthritis in my spine and severe osteoarthritis in my right hip (getting that bad boy replaced this Friday!) I have been on pain management for years. My pain is barely managed. So long as I do nothing and go nowhere. I have no life and I am only 53. I want to live long enough to be a problem to my grandchildren but right now I live vicariously through RUclips. My doctors are afraid to prescribe what it takes to have a little less pain. FML.
The pendulum swings from one extreme to another.
I'm right there with you Renee Jackson. We've prob passed each other on RUclips going from video to video.
You just described me to a T. (I'm 56). My own Dr is fine with morphine which has turned out to be much safer than all these synthetics that were supposed to replace it, with Suboxone and the like now trying to replace that mess. I live on my couch with YT and such as my life. I can get out for a few hours with help every so often but it's so painful I wonder why I bother. At least whilst I sit (lounge) here I'm not in pain. That is better than nothing but it's not much of a life. I dread my Dr retiring and having some young new one tell me how I can cope fine without pain relief. Whoever they are, is not going to like me.
i'm saddened to see I'm not the only one "living" this way.
@@localuna4953 Yeah there's a few of us out there and whilst I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, it does feel a tiny bit better to know I'm not the only one out here. Have a good one (or the best one you can).
And unfortunately those who were given opioids for pain management are finding the rug being pulled from under them. Sad, because a lot of folks were advised to try pain management from their doctors.
I hate this. I'm in NZ and deal with chronic and incurable pain. I've been on codeine for about eight years, and it allows me to live a near normal life; and yet, there is SO MUCH stigma around taking it because of the people who abuse opioids being conflated with people like me. I don't get any high, or take more than prescribed. I go off it sometimes, and it results in me crying in bed every morning because I can't walk without overwhelming pain. So yeah. I hate this whole thing, so much. I don't want people to die, but I also want to stop being treated like an addict because I have chronic pain.
Same for me. I have chronic migraines, chronic headaches, cluster headaches, and fibromyalgia, none of which are curable and all of them cause pain 24/7. I too take my pain meds (hydrocodone in my case, aka vicodin) like you do - not enough to get high, not more than prescribed, only enough to be able to have a somewhat normal life. Being able to take care of just the normal daily needs like getting out of bed to eat and etc is amazing. I'm in the U.S. but the stigma about just the fact of taking it is absurd. Doctors here will even have you sign a paper saying you'll only take an agreed-upon amount in a month's time, and you might have to agree to drug tests too... and that's not even if you're confirmed to be abusing it or have a history of any kind of abuse. That's just taking it at all. It's absolutely ridiculous and demeaning. Here's to hoping someone makes some pain medicine for people like us who NEED it, that can't be abused.
@@Kahli21 Right??? Those constant doctor comments about "are you really on that much?" and "wow I can't believe you need that at your age" from medical professionals and constantly having to *prove* that I'm sick? Yeah, trot on. Yes, I do have joints so lax I dislocate them daily. No I don't "look like I'm in pain" ya numpty, I have a high pain threshold???
@@sophroniel Exactly. The most ridiculous part in my case is that I'm literally taking 5mg pills, a total of 20 every 3 months, and I'm STILL treated that way. Like wtf? People are doing more damage to themselves taking over the counter pain meds every day. I could definitely be happier and more productive with a little more (30? 40? every 3 months), but when it's been essentially consistent for almost 15 years, I think I'm being pretty responsible.
Side note, it sounds like you have something like EDS. I know sleep is difficult in that case, and it's hard for me too. Yay for unintentional insomnia? Lol.
@@Kahli21 Yeah I do have classical EDS, but also other stuff. Atm it's TMJ paint and gastro/duodenitis with a liver hemangioma that's compressing my stomach so eating?? I don't remember her lol
Have you looked into Botox for your headaches? Studies have gave some relief manly with migraines.
I fell down the stairs in 2005. Broke my tailbone and a few days later I was getting pain in my left pelvic area. I was prescribed pain meds. My tailbone got better but my pelvic pain didn’t. My doctor prescribed me hydrocodone but after a few months it wasn’t working. I ended up buying stronger meds from people. (At $80 a pill for oxi’s) I was broke and found myself at the methadone clinic daily while I was trying to find a “real doctor” not a doc mill one. I wanted to know what was wrong and if it could be fixed.
Some doctors said it was endometriosis so I had exploratory surgery and they found nothing. The doc actually told me to see a psychiatrist because “the pain was in my head”. So I did see one and he said if I’m feeling pain 24/7 in an area of my body it was that area not my head that needed help.
I found a new doctor ( thank God) that diagnosed me with a nerve problem( forgot the name of the nerve). Because I was taking methadone already and didn’t want to feel high all the time, he prescribed methadone pills.
After 5 years of methadone pills ( prescribed 10 a day 100mg) I had gained weight and just felt blah. I moved and found a new doc. He put me on subutex. It was crazy expensive not not as much as suboxone. Suboxone was $530 a month subutex was $390 a month. Subutex went off market so thankfully buprnoriphine pills were even cheaper at $250 a month.
Trumps actions on lowering prescription pills have lowered it now $120.
I completely understand the feeling and actions of doctors and others when I went to the doctors office/ pharmacy or any time I told anyone the medicine I take. My pain doesn’t show up on an MRI so I’ve had to call/see MANY doctors ( thousands of $$) before finding good ones.
This video didn’t tell everyone that only certain doctors can prescribe this type of medicine. They must take extra classes to prescribe it. Because of this reason, you’re going to the same doctors as addicts go to. So you get bunched in with them. My doctors have treated me differently once they get to know me. People have abused the system so it sucks for people with light pain.
By the way, they can’t “fix” my nerve so I’ll be on buprinorphine for life I guess. I tried frequency but didn’t work on my nerve.
The medicine doesn’t take the pain away but I’m normally at a1-2 on pain scale.
My heart goes out to everyone that is dealing with pain!
Do you have buprorohine in NZ? You can’t live like you’re doing. Please find a good doctor, work with them and get some relief. Forget everyone else and what they think.
Take care, God bless❤️
Totally forgot about the change! I was so excited to see a new Philly D episode today
There is a good documentary called Perscription Thugs. It goes deep into the drug industry in America. I believe it's on Netflix. I HIGHLY recommend you watch it !!!
The big pharmaceutical companies have been doing unethical business practices for decades now and now they're too powerful for any legal action against them.I am currently making a video about this. Hope this changes soon or else it will be a disaster
Appreciate it. The more news spread the better. 🙏
@dyslexic mitochondria you have an amazing channel bro
You have no idea about pharma... If you look at the Pharma ETF which represents the industry, they don't make much money at all. The average profit margins is like 1/4th of tech companies. Some companies make a huge amount of money, but only 1/15 drugs they get submitted to the FDA can pass all 3 levels of testing. For every 1 company that makes money, almost 3 go bankrupt.
Cut off the flow of money and they'd shrivel up like a slug in salt... They only have the power because they produce the pills all these people are buying to die on.
@@DMRaptorJesus lol I work in oil and gas? I just know how business works
I love this! Can you guys do a deep dive on psilocybin mushrooms treatments and the new legalization in Denver.
yessss
@nic jones You just sound like an idiot.
Might be too controversial for them
Sigh, this is so disappointing as someone who formerly used Suboxone (currently Subutex, but use the generic buprenorphine, not made by them). It's disappointing bc the product is great at what it aims to achieve. It genuinely saves lives where other methods further endanger. (Plus, it's not only helpful for former addicts but also for chronic pain patients who can't take traditional opiates.) But, when I started needing it 8.5yrs ago, they did hit me with that quoted $600 pricetag. Without my parents help, I probably wouldn't be alive. But, most in this position don't have supportive loved ones right in that critical moment.
I had no idea it was bc of this monopoly and their scheming. I was able to get the generic soon after (bc I couldn't have the naloxone in it), so insurance agreed to pay after the price cut in more than half. But this is all so angering.
That said, I do worry people will only hear this and take away that Suboxone as a PRODUCT is bad. Their company is garbage, esp their tactics, but it's so much safer than Methadone and other step-downs -- and far safer than heroin/oxy/etc. It singlehandedly saved so many of my friends when every other option failed them. Having lost my BFF in December, this feels esp raw. It's all angering. As someone with a disability who sees my other disabled friends suffer bc they're denied pain meds they actually need bc of this... as well as someone w/ countless other friends struggling with addiction... and as someone myself who's been on both sides. It's all a mess. There are no easy solutions, but countless villains. Ugh.
I've been on suboxone for 13 years straight. It definitely saved my life back in 2006. I think it's a wonderful medication if used correctly. It's definitely preferable to not have to get on suboxone long term but it does keep a lot of people from doing "real" opiates at least. I know it's kept me from relapsing even one time in the time I've been on sub.
So yeah I'm a supporter of the drug itself but I loathe the company who makes it. What they did in order to keep their patent and therefore keep their medicine priced how they want, high AF, is reprehensible. I hope they get what they deserve. Unfortunately, what they do is very common in the industry, not just for addiction medication.
Good insight. Tell the company how you feel....someway do something extra and make a difference and let them know.
I’ve personally witnessed Suboxone given to kids who were addicted to heroin. in a rehab environment it helped them.
overhaul the patent system for pharmaceutical companies.
set a limit on how much it can cost for medicine.
Mike Daverin but then no one will want to make new drugs, it’s a balancing act between keeping the market fair vs rewarding innovation
@@screwinglogic4564 that's what the limit will be for. Enough for a profit but not being predatory
you'd likely see companies arguing that doing so would have some negative effects. You could plausibly have an obscure disease with a quite expensive treatment where the company might need a longer duration to recover their investment. If the system relies on profit motivation to do new research, companies might let people die rather than do research into treatments that aren't immediate cash cows. However, a rationale that money is meant to drive innovation and competition is meant to lower prices, would require that innovation occurs and prices are lowered. So at the very least something needs to be adjusted.
The capitalist things requires that the money is good enough to cover the costs, the marketing, while giving the company enough financial incentive to absorb the risk (if they can't find a drug, or a competitor creates a better product). The equation (in research costs, market size, and use) likely varies for each individual drug. So unless you have a standard set for the specifics of each drug, the system will be built perhaps to create incentives for innovators taking on risks (which will set rules for people who choose not to innovate, and are in very real terms doing harm)
the government already funds medical research themselves and its funded by our tax dollars. as seen in adam ruins everything
@@victorcates9330 for rare diseases, the governments already subsidize these companies
The hidden victims in this whole money grab are the people who are & have been in chronic pain for years or decades even who are NOT addicted.
I'm one of these people, who are now lumped with doctor shopping, meth addict and people who are still currently buying/selling drugs.
I'd pay millions to not live in drastic pain on a daily basis... If I had it.
I hate pain clinics, I hate drug users, big farm-a for allowing this and the gov for not catching it to begin with. I also hate the docs who prescribe blindly and the evil that sells them out.
Trust me... I hate my life but I have explored every avenue of pain
relief possible.
Funny thing is... I'm now allergic to hydrocodone. But my meds for anxiety and my diabetic neuropathy are just as controlled. Ridiculous!!!
You hit the nail on the head. The entire "opioid crisis" is a money grab. The list is endless. On the addiction side there are rehabs that cost up to $1000s a month, Suboxone, Purdue lawsuits and more. On the chronic pain patient end, we have doctors cutting patients off of affordable, effective and safe medication and forcing them into expensive alternative treatments that don't work. Some of them are invasive and even risky. Many of the alternative treatments need to be repeated several times a year or even monthly. It's a cash cow for the doctors who decide to go this route.
I'd like to see someone talk about the legitimate patients who need opioid pain control and are being effected by the opioid crisis.
Yes please. So tired of being treated like total shit for having chronic pain. I swear I would have an anxiety issue if I didn't have to deal with all the stress having to deal with clinics and insurance puts you through!
Sounds like a serious lawsuit will be coming Indivior's way soon and I for one will be waiting.
TheIgors20 Well that’s a bit of a jump. I obviously think that all companies and individuals responsible for the opioid crisis should be punished to the fullest extent of the law as the crisis has killed at least tens of thousands and likely far more.
TheIgors20 And them being Jewish matters? If they were atheist, Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist it would still be disgusting. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with individual morals.
@TheIgors20 I'm just saying that it seemed you were inferring that the reason they are bad is that they are Jewish. I'm sorry if i misunderstood that.
I've taken suboxone for your last three years. Trying to ween off it now, while not a perfect drug. It has turned my life around. I have been able to move on so far in my life and thank suboxone for that.
UK here. Been on it for 6 months, gone down from 24mg to 22mg... it’s for sure a safety net because of the 4mg of naloxone, but mentally I just can’t seem to let myself go lower. What mg are you on bro?
azbolaa you will get there, I promise.....When I initially started treatment I was on 24mg a day, I now take 2.5mgs a day. Just set small goals for weaning and don’t try to rush.
@@azbolaa4825 I'm down from taking 24mg a day to now only taking 12mg
Doctor: How much profit is necessary?
Big Pharma: UNLIMITED PROFITS!
Eekk
I am an advocate with the Alliance for the Treatment of Intractable Pain. Those of us with chronic pain are paying a price for all of this nightmare.
hilmojen so very true... I’m also an advocate for pain patients & think Phil needs to dig into the rabbit hole further about Indivior & “Dr” Andrew Kolodny (the opioid addiction “expert”) - and their role about spreading misinformation to public about effectiveness & safety of pain medicine & the addiction rates. He needs to examine the ties/relationship between Kolodny & Tom Frieden (former head of CDC) in getting the CDC to write Opioid Pain Medicine Rx Guidelines after Kolodny failed to get the FDA in 2012 to change the labeling for pain medicine & pulling high doses off the market (hmmm sounds like Indivior’s failed attempt with FDA in 2009 re: suboxone strips vs tablets). Kolodny worked for Indivior in early 2000s pushing suboxone to prisons & hospitals - hospitals received money from Indivior after visits from Kolodny to write for suboxone. Kolodny then preached the dangers of opioid pain medicines for chronic pain (a psychiatrist who never treated a pain patient ever & who barely ever treated patients in general for anything). Indivior’s business/marketing plan was to get pain patients to be switched to suboxone for their pain - since it’s still an opioid medicine, but “safer.” What a new huge market for them - 50-100 million patients with chronic pain that are compliant & need medication likely for life. Phillip needs to know that addiction rates for legitimate patients w/painful chronic diseases is less than 1% when properly screened & very low for patients with acute pain when properly screened as well. He needs to know that opioid addiction is likely triggered by genetic abnormality & exposure to opioid medicine wont cause addiction for ppl not prone to it. He needs to know it’s similar to alcohol - in the way that many people drink socially or even misuse alcohol in college, but don’t become alcoholics. The substance doesn’t cause addiction - addiction causes addiction & only 1-2% of population has addiction (that hasn’t changes in a century). What we are experiencing is an overdose crisis from illicitly manufactured fentanyl (not Rx fentanyl) & heroin. Pill mills of the past are gone for the most part or became suboxone pill mills.
Why is this important for the public? You and I both know that patients w/painful chronic illnesses can no longer get treatment with opioid pain medication that we used safely for years. Patients with cancer and in hospice are being refused treatment for pain. Patients having surgery - major surgeries like hip replacements or open heart surgery where your chest in cracked open are being sent home with Tylenol or Advil. We have seen many patients in our community commit suicide from untreated or undertreated pain. MSM is finally starting to tell our story. We have been suffering for years now - our choices being suicide, illicit drugs, or suffering in bed 24/7 while losing our jobs, family, & quality of life.
I have all of the stats, research, documents, contacts with experts to support what we are saying, etc.
Patients that have tried everything & rely on pain medication to work & raise their family can no longer get these medications. Doctors are too scared to prescribe them because of the DEA raiding their offices. We are dying. We are suffering. Suboxone does not work well for pain & Indivior w/their shady past & marketing practices would love love love to have an entire new patient population to sell their meds to - as only 1-2 million suffer from opioid addiction, but 25 million Americans suffer from high impact, chronic pain.
@@browndotflop agreed. I wish Phil would talk to Red Lawhern or just the Alliance for the Treatment of Intractable Pain. He'd get a better idea of what we are going through!
Thank you for mentioning this group. I will be checking them out tonight! I appreciate any help I can get anymore. Blessings.
@@browndotflop Thank you Stacey for explaining this in detail. Andrew Kolodny needs to be thoroughly investigated. I'd like to add that an 8 year UK study of over 600k acute pain patients found the addiction/OD rate for opioids to be 0.6%. It's reported in the Jan 2018 British Medical Journal. Andrew Kolodny has not only been lying to the public but has created government hysteria that has severely impacted the lives of pain patients. His PROPaganda has gone as far as brainwashing doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals into believing opioids are highly addictive. Studies prove otherwise but irreparable damage has possibly been done. Patients are suffering the consequences.
Amen.
I’d like to PERSONALLY thank Phil’s father for not using a condominium 😅😅
"Seatbelt! I meant seatbelt. "
+Owolabby Azeez Jokes aside. Phil isn't even close to his father or his family in general. Lindsay's parents actually regularly visit their grandsons unlike Phil's side of the family. Something about Phil legally changing his Sicilian last name to the Americanized name we have now seemed to be the last straw.
Did someone say opium? RULE BRITANNIA!!!!
James Roycroft cmon - they wouldn't take our tea - fairs fair.
Please if you have family or friends with this problem, get them the help they need. It might be hard but it's better than an OD. Thoughts out to those who've lost loved ones due to this epidemic.
Suboxone literally saved my life almost 10.5yrs ago. I was on it for the first year of my recovery & I can honestly say that it literally saved my life. I do agree with what was said in the video about the drug often being unaffordable for the addicts who are just starting treatment. I was one of the fortunate ones who had insurance, however I still had to pay $15 a month to get the medication I needed in order to function. All pharmaceutical companies care about is their bottom line & the success rates of their drugs. They don't care about the addict who's literally trying to claw their way out of the gutter & fighting to just make it through the day without getting a fix.
Same. The life I have now, I never thought was possible. I owe my life to this drug.
You should also cover the fact that due to the attention now focused on opioids people who who actually need them are sometimes left screaming in pain because DRs are so paranoid to give them any more. That's not BS I know some of them.
True however in my opinion a life long addiction to opioids is far worse than any amount of pain they chould prevent witch is why I think they should only be used during surgery.
Ethical doctors understand this and form specific prescribing practices to try and prevent problems. Like only giving out a week supply at a time.
That’s what I was thinking. I have had family and friends sick and couldn’t get the meds they needed because of this opioid crap. I think the gov should but out of the doctors and patients lives and let the doctor prescribe what he thinks he should. Yes there are some who will abuse it but I mean I would rather have that than a cancer patient screaming for more meds because they aren’t getting enough because of some paranoid asshole
@@mattjohnston2 Yes but that is abused or taken too far as well. Recently a friend who takes them for a physical condition that caused chronic pain, and only takes them when she really needs them, has her pills counted and follows everything they say to do was cut off and told to try mental exercises to accept the pain instead.
I just think all sides of a story need to be covered and while Phil and most other media have covered the opioid crisis many times this other side of the issue has not been covered and is getting more common and worse from what I have seen and heard.
@@winnterk6569 Yep. One friend had her leg amputated due to flesh eating bacteria and, while not immediately after surgery but was while still healing, they cut her off and left her screaming in pain for 3 days before the DR gave in and let her have more. She has PTSD now from that.
And while it's true some people got addicted while taking prescriptions, the majority of addicts both are taking illegal drugs but started by taking drugs illegally as well. Yes there was that issue with some DRs pushing opioids but that is in the past now and was never the major contributing factor to the crisis.
thanks for always bringing relevant topics to the platform, your team does such good work!!
I'm an recovering addict and suboxene was what I was first prescribed it saved me from the urges to use. My insurance company wouldn't cover it so I had to go with a generic form but either way I have been clean for almost 2 years now and havent relapse thanks to the program I am in for recovery
Congrats
I've been on Suboxone for a few years now and have not once been offered the generic version. Edit: The pill was removed from market mostly because of the ease of crushing and snorting the tablet imo
My boyfriend has been on suboxone for about a year now. They make a generic film he just started getting them last month. Before that I had no idea there was a generic.
@@DestinyMoniqueX3 oh wow that's nice, I'll definitely ask my doctor about it next visit! Does he like it?
The8AM yeah he said there was no difference whatsoever. He gets free script fills but I’m sure there would be a huge price difference from the name brand to generic. He said they even taste exactly the same
This is a crazy story. On a side note, suboxone is a life saving drug. I have been on suboxone for 8 years and it has totally changed, and saved my life.
Hydra509 me to 👍🏻
I’ve been on them for 3 yrs. I’ve been thinking about weaning off, but I’m honestly too scared to at this point. Have you thought about weaning? My dr said some stay on it for life, I’m not sure how I feel about that for myself.
@@chumpess my doc told me the same thing but when I had to get a new doctor he wanted me to wean off as well but I have felt the same way. I think the majority of it is mental but there is definitely a big physical factor as well. I can 100% relate to what you're saying.
ed is wrong tho. overall suboxone and methadone have saved a ton of lives
Methadone got a friend, finally, clean and sober after 13 years. It was the one thing that finally worked for him!! So I will sing it's praises forever, because I had thought him, truly lost to his addiction.
I don't think that was really argued against. Its more the marketing practices of them stopped those from saving MANY more lives.
We need to get rid of the for profit medical system. You need help, you get help. Drug companies and insurance companies pretty much have captive audience.
Companies can do anything at this point
I mean they always could- they’re just more brazen now
@eCommerce IsTooEasy Oooooh 3 billion. Look if you could make 20 billion and it would only cost you three billion and your morals would you? The answer for many people is Hell Yeah. That's why these lawsuits won't ammount to squat. Why? Okay you fine them 3 billion. Guess what? They are still a company and no one goes to jail. Unless you get REALLY strict and start jailing the CEO's or executing them or disbanning the companies nothing will be solved. Then you have a different problem about freedom. Anyway. Nothing will change. Companies and corporations will continue to bend you over and take what they want. Period.
What even force you to take pain medication?
Dularr proper stupid right here
@@mcoupe69 You must have missed how socialism works. Forced medication.
Healthcare is the epitome of capitalism's greed
I do not pop pills and I still have higher chance of overdoseing than getting in a car crash wow 😮 we have to fix this
It's greed is what it is. The big dollar at the end of the day.
John Smith I mean not really. If you don't take opioids you have a 0% chance of overdosing on opioids. Even if a high percentage of the population dies from overdosing each year it doesn't mean that you as an individual have an increased likelihood of dying that way.
@@GCWFilms unless someone decides to feed him pills in his sleep ^^
My husband was injured in the marine core and was taking painkillers for 8 years then was dropped out of no where and was given nothing. It was hard the first month but he’s doing good now. His doctor told him to take CBD Oil and kratom. So spfar that’s worked evenbetter
I’m glad to hear your husband is doing well ❤️ My dad was injured at work got hooked on pills that eventually lead to heroine. He’s good now tho I couldn’t be more proud
Was on 4 10mg Norco's for 8 years kratom is the only thing that was able to remove the opioid withdrawal effect. Now I use thc:CBD oil for over 12 months. And it's good to not be depending on this meds because I didn't even know my body was addicted.
@Michi I-- My Dad was a marine marksman. He was in the Marine Corps. Apples and pears have cores. Marines belong to a corps. The P and S are silent. Since your husband is a marine veteran and always will be, so you need to learn to spell corps correctly.
calichef1962 I’m 15 years younger then him and dumber lol. Thanks for the spelling lesson, I’m not even mad at it just because it was so funny
And ppl still saying weed is illegal because it's "dangerous", yeah ok buddy
I mean as long as it's regulated, I don't care. I feel it should be under the same regulation as Alcohol for things like working and driving. But if it's just at home, then they can go at it
I would rather have my neighbor smoking pot, than the meth he currently smokes!! He does more dangerous shit in a week than 5 million pot smokers would do in a lifetime
@@jennifergridley8111 have you tried calling the cops? Or do they not care
Thank you for speaking on this!!!!! As a former opiate addict it means a lot
I am loving the new schedule. Thank you for all that you do, Philip and your team. Well Done 👍🏿
Thank you for this video. Opioids nearly killed me. Three years clean in recovery and I'm still working on getting my life back together. I'm glad people are finally realizing how serious and widespread the problem is, as well as the truth of big pharma's part in the opioid crisis.
Why ppl worry about the drugs coming from Mexico if we have legal drug kingpin here in the USA called “pharmaceutical companies?”
The enemy is always the other, is how facism works
Because drugs are only bad when the government isn't getting a slice of the pie.
Can we talk about insurance company that drive everything expensive? And can we talk about university cost is also driving health cost more expensive?
Everyone try to catch a piece
It blows my mind that Free Market Capitalists can get behind applying that system to a setting like medicine, where a consumer's ability to walk away (and thus their control) is so profoundly limited.
Worked in addiction field for years as a therapist. The shady FUCKERY that goes on in this field is insane
It’s shocking how this opioid crisis happened and continues to happen. And it actually makes life incredibly difficult for those of us with true intractable pain conditions to get the medication we need to have some semblance of quality of life. 😞
I'm laying in bed with a broken arm, in pain, because doctors would not prescribe more then 3 days worth of pills. The retaliatory swing back is just as bad, at least to me. Give me pills! Advil isn't cutting it.
That's the very thing I'm worried about. I'm Australian and we're having a similar issue with bandwaggoning over opiod abuse. It's said in the US 50% of doctors believe no one should use them and the other 50% vehemently disagree which is how you ended up with a hit and miss situation depending on which Dr you have. I have been taking morphine for a back injury for 20 years. I was persuaded to go to hospital for a week for a Ketamine infusion and a possible changeover to the likes of Suboxone. The pain doctor was a bit of a fantatic and after halving my morphine dose he switched me to Suboxone for 24 hours. What a bloody disaster. Not only did I suffer serious withdrawal symptoms (I had been fine during the morphone reduction) but my pain went through the roof. Fortunately, after giving him rather a mouthful of not very nice speech, he immediately returned me to morphine using a lower dose. Symptoms went, pain went. Morphine works far better than synthetic opiods which was where all this trouble started in the first place. Oxycodone and other synthetics were supposed to be the wonders that turned into a disaster. I truly hope you feel better soon. There is nothing worse than being in constant pain.
These doctors do have options to provide us with medication that is not addictive and actually helps with pain. They must not get enough of a kickback to prescribe them.
I hear ya, Paul. Broke my ankle in multiple places last year, bad enough that I now have multiple plates screwed in down there. After the surgery they gave me a 5mg Vicodin, acted like I was crazy when they came in a half hour later and I said it hadn't helped at all, (I'm a 6'1, 220 lb man by the way). They said they'd give me one more and that was all they'd give me. Didn't put a dent in my pain, but whatever. They wrote me up a 3 day script for the 5mg bullshit, 3 pills/day, told me I'd have to come back if I wanted a refill. Went back in 3 days later, they were very hesitant to give me the refill, and told me if I wanted another one, I'd have to go into an opioid addiction treatment program... I told em they could shove their refill right up their ass, 5mg doesn't even take the edge off anyways. Went home and drowned myself in booze for 2 weeks to kill the pain, and went on my merry way. I understand some people have/develop problems and they're being more cautious about just handing them out by the bucket load to anyone for any old scrape or bruise, but come the fuck on, some people are actually in some serious pain and could really use some higher powered opioids for a week or two.
I study chemistry and am shocked about my doctors level of knowledge about the pills they prescribe and how little info patients get.
Medication comes with an information sheet when dispensed. You can also look medication up on the internet on drugs.com to name one.
@@mizztab3677 Maybe where you come from medications always come with an information sheet but in the country I live in meds normally come in a blister pack inside a clear bag with no information.
All medication dispensed by the pharmacist comes with an information sheet and warning labels on the bottles. You can talk to the pharmacist about your medication. Do you have internet access? Do you have heroin in your country? Is it illegal there? I am sorry you don't have information sheets but I am fighting to keep my medical treatment from being taken away. Like millions in this country I live in constant pain but I still need to function, to earn a living or just not want to die rather than live another day in agony. I am bedridden so I am unable to help with your fight because I can barely take on my own battle. This war is going after the wrong enemy so millions will be harmed but no one will win. The government and lawyers will make money and the DEA will get it's cut.
@@mizztab3677 All meds don't come with an info sheet or in a bottle even if they have been dispensed. Yes heroin is available in my country in as many forms as you can get state side. If you get a prescription it is legal just like in the states. My point was about how many doctors hand out drug without giving any info on the risks of taking those drugs. It is a doctors duty to make sure people understand what they are taking, why they are taking it and what effects it should have. Since not everyone have internet access the fact that you've shared a link online isn't a substitute for a doctor fulfilling duties.
Phil punched me in the throat so my Dr prescribed me opiods
Except it's spelled opioids. Two letter I-s in the word with an O in between.
@@mcoupe69 what do you expect from a Californian, they are always telling you what to do ,so they dont have to deal with their shit.
@@calichef1962 cool was pretty mess up from my opoids so couldnt spell good
As a former heroin addict for approx. 7 years of my life, I now have 10 years, 7 mos, and 12 days clean thanks to Suboxone 8-2mg sublingual films. I have been on them for about 11 years - 6 mos of me not wanting to be clean and still using while taking it. I can confidently say, I owe my life to the medication. As the young man said, it helps get me out of bed in the morning and "normalizes" or levels out my mood. Yes, I would prefer to not have to take anything, but it sure as hell beats the alternative!
If anyone has any questions about it, feel free to reply to this comment, I'd be happy to help.
adam mac Congratulations on your sobriety. Almost 10 years myself. Cheers to living again. 👍🏻
@@TessMac Congrats to you also, Tess!! Hell yeah, I wouldn't trade it for the world!
Recovering addict got almost 3 months clean. Xanax alcohol oxycodone and hydrocodone was my jam.. Now i pop melatonin and lisinopril :/
Ay Ron Awesome!!! Proud of you, man. That shit’s not easy but it’s absolutely worth it.
Pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies competing for who's the most evil.
1:59 because were all in pain from back breaking labor in factories and warehouses
I really like the weekend deep dives! I wasn't watching the deep dives as much when it doubled up with the normal show
Thank you soo much for this reporting on suboxone. Just three days ago I got my prescription and took it to the pharmacist. The BIG difference between this time and others is that I would always pay just $20 for 15. The doctor gave me this time 20 suboxone's and when I went to pay, I had to pay $130 that I don't have. And since the withdrawal of this drug is almost as bad as the opioid withdrawal, (even though they would say at first it doesn't cause withdrawals, I soon realized that was BS) "at least%. And now because I "topped" my medication I have to pay $130 that I don't have. Without a doubt I had to go back to the streets to "get better". This is so fucked up, only people with money are the real ones getting real treatment . I can't thank Phil and the whole team enough, but I'm really grateful for all you
Former addict.
You can cook a bunch of films way easier than a bunch of pills... One pill makes a bunch of powder and it's hard to cook a bunch of powder. You can cook 100 films easier than one pill.
Naloxone doesn't make you go into withdrawals if you snort or shoot it, it only does that if you try to take Suboxone with opiates in your system, or try to take opiates after taking Suboxone. Just a small fact that was off. I've been on Suboxone for years. (And no, I don't care to hear about how I'm substituting drugs and not really clean, I just celebrated 7 years clean from opiates and I wouldn't be here without Suboxone)
Been on subs for like 6 months now, very scared of the withdrawal though. Have heard it's so much worse, but it was either take bupe or keep overdosing. Long term at least.
I take Subutex though, not the film.for a few reasons.
Kratom has helped a couple of my friends get off opioids, and subutex. It's more psychological then it is physical honestly. You just gotta prepare yourself when you're ready
@@INSERTNAMExHERE yea at that point for sure. I'm starting to taper next month
Where you've only been on them for a short time, it'll be easier for you. My friend was on texts for a good 5-6 years. But i wish you all the best!
I know this sounds counter intuitive... But Denver decriminalization of psilocybin will eventually help fix this issue. There is good research that shows the use of psilocybin cures drug addiction in a large percentage of users. Even one time use. Once that spreads across the US, we'll have a sea change. Of course, big pharma is going to fight the decriminalization of psilocybin for this reason.
A change that will cover more than just drug abuse. The entire country and world for that matter, would be more compassionate with the use of psilocybin.
@@enigmatmz I agree. But you have to realize, with all things there is good and bad. Hopefully we minimize the negative.
@@skydivekrazy76 agreed. Without regulation and just decriminalization, kids don't usually titrate their doses to see where they are comfortable, hell, even adults.
I have been addicted to Subutex for 10 years and just been on rehab. it was a real hell for me. i dont know realy what i think about those drugs..
Some more people who have had problems with those "rehab" drugs?
They can be worse than the addiction. i wrote a chunk of my story if you're interested. Best of luck.
@@localuna4953 wow what a story.. Nice to hear that u made it! I had a close friend who died from subutex, it was organ failure..
What do u Think? Is this the answer on opiod addiction?
Are u from the us? I live in Sweden and it feels like everyone is addicted to subutex/suboxone..
@@Rekiin I am in the US. I just don't know what the answer is. I know that putting us on low dose morphine and acting like we want more for shits and giggles isn't the way though. I wish you nothing but the best!
many people are hurting, enough for there to be an opioid crisis.
but nobody ever asks why these people are hurting, what's causing it?
Really? Plenty of people are asking. They’re called doctors. In my husband’s case, he’s hurting because of Crohn’s Disease, degenerative disk disease, primary sclerosing cholangitis, chronic kidney stones, chronic migraines and a dozen other painful things that I’m not going to list.
@@KellyDbugdog it's called practicing medicine for a reason.
I am a recovering addict. Buprenorphine saved my life. So sure, their intentions may not be the best, but without it I would most certainly be dead.
Be proud, even with suboxone, it's not easy. So far, it seems to be the most effective way to help people overcome opioid dependency, though.
That is very true. However, other who cant afford it will die.
@@MsMELANE85 there are generics available now and they are considerably affordable.
Same for me💙eff heroin
@@mattjohnston2 thank you. I am incredibly proud of myself. I celebrate 6 years, completely clean and sober, on July 9th of this year. I never thought I would even survive addiction, and here I am, about to celebrate 6 whole years...it's incredible, and life has never been more beautiful.
The firat jump was from subetex to subexon. The company put nalaxon in subetex and call it subexon, you dont need nalaxon🤢🤮
I didn't know I lived near a treatment clinic until someone tried to trade me a "breath strip" for a sandwich. I told him no & gave him the sandwich anyway. It's a lot less confusing now.
I have taken Narcotics for many years now. I never have gone up past Hydrocodone, and refuse to take higher level narcotics to treat my pain. I will say 100% that it is easier to trade your worse addiction to a narcotic with a lesser narcotic. As you go through the withdrawals of the first narcotic, you take whatever it is you're gonna take whether that's suboxone or just another narcotic, and you take a lesser narcotic to relieve some psychological symptoms with the euphoric effect, and to help with some pain relief from the withdrawal pains. Essentially it is fighting fire with fire, and I had never had this proposed to be by any doctor before realizing that different narcotics have their own dependencies. I basically had to test this, and gain trust from doctors that my intention wasn't to take stronger and stronger narcotics, or sell them. It's harsh, because they also put themselves on the line with this, and many doctors aren't trusting with their patients despite their obligation to be.
Depending on the dose and how long you've been taking the original drug, your withdrawals could be harder to get through. Though, the time that most people go through withdrawals usually lasts about 3 to 6 weeks. The hardest days being the first 3. Though, these narcotics aren't meant to replace the one you have been taking. They are meant to be a temporary use as you go through the addiction process, and since you have been only taking the new narcotic for a relatively short amount of time comparatively, the withdrawals are going to be a lot more manageable.
Is it a safe method? Absolutely not. I have years under me, and trust myself to not go up and up the chain of Narcotics. Do I trust the public with this? Absolutely not. Is it the only effective method we have now other than cold turkey, or tapering? It's one of the very few.
Things to note here, my clinic has been forced to prescribe Narcan to patients prescribed narcotics in case of an overdose emergency. It is meant to counteract the overdose problem that we're having. Another thing is that almost all drugs have an addiction. People usually say malaise for most over the counter drugs instead of addiction, but it is there nonetheless. Even something like Ibuprofen has a "malaise" to it if you stop after taking it for a long time. It's important to research the drugs you're going to be taking, and to be thorough when looking for whether the drug you'll be taking has harsh withdrawals, and if that is a poison you'll be willing to take to treat a more serious problems. I have seen first hand the disparity between the doctors from when I had originally started being prescribed narcotics, and the ones now. Before they were so willing to give it out, it was like candy. Now I have seen many many doctors say to never take a prescription for narcotics, or being completely immovable towards prescribing it themselves, all while prescribing other drugs than narcotics that have horrible "withdrawals" like Neurotin. Stopping Neurotin causes Magnesium deficiency, and is more painful, more psychologically trying, and is linked to a drug that is known for causing memory loss. I had symptoms of suicide as well which is something I never experienced before which is a very terrible thing to have especially during a painful time. There's far worse drugs than Narcotics, and it's important to know that Narcotics are not the only drug you have to be wary of. Please do your research.
lmao that weak shit you take offers baby withdrawals
I take suboxone daily and was wondering why generic strips were just starting to be prescribed. Thank you for this. I know a lot of people that take this medicine daily and will show them this video.
Wait this isn't a how to guide on hiw to profit off the opioid crisis?
yea but the knowledge was already there, this is just making more people aware so its harder to get away with.
Let's be clear the doctors knew exactly what they were doing they are not innocent so stop defending them
Hear me out. Watch Michael Moore's documentary Sicko. It's informative and rage inducing. Please watch it.
@@wendylea1983 I'm still pissed about the 9/11 volunteers that are dying because their insurance won't cover the illnesses that developed when they were saving people. It's so morally wrong, it hurts.
Everyone should read the book, Blue Dreams.
Does anyone else hear runescape music in the background
I think u have RuneScape open in the background fam
It's not just me yesssss. I thought I had it running in the background or a twitch channel.
@@047Kenny Nope, I thought so too lol
But, but, pharmaceutical companies need the money for research and development.
*Jonas Salk:* hold my patent
Ooffff
I'm a recovering addict. I took pain medication from someone who needed it. I hate that I played into this problem. Because I'm stuck in a rut.
She didn't deserve that.
Her meds are being taken away from her now though. Her doc wants to keep his job so he's not letting her function because of it.
Stephen Whittaker This is the rule now and not the exceptions. Patients who need the medicine bc nothing else works for them cannot get it. Doctors are terrified of the DEA raiding their practice, taking their license, and throwing them in jail. This has happened to legit doctors doing their job to help patients.
Many patients are suffering now & dying by suicide - even cancer patients cannot get pain medicine in some places. Ridiculous stuff - like doctors afraid of addiction in hospice care. Ppl are truly suffering now - it’s a huge problem not many talk about. Thank you for acknowledging it.
Me: Oh man big pharma in it for the money.
*Me in intense sarcasm: Who would have thought.
A lot of doctors will work very hard to avoid prescribing opioids now days; because, they are VERY OVER PRESCRIBED.
P.S., Kratom is much better and doesn't have the negative side effects of these pain killers! But it is harder to get now!
Overprescribed? You've got to be joking or you're very much out of the loop. We're at the point where even cancer and hospice patients aren't getting adequate pain care. Kratom works well for some but not everyone. ALL options need to be available for those in pain including mmj and opioids. Every patient reacts differently even between different types of opioids, strains of kratom and strains of mmj. What works for one may not work for another. ALL options!
I'll talk about my experience with suboxone
*DEUS EX 1 IS STILL RELEVANT.*
I would be willing to share my experience with suboxone with you.
It does bother me that one of the points brought up in this is about the meds costing $600+ without insurance.
One, how much do you think they were spending to have access to the drugs that they were doing in the first place?
Two, because that's a whole different can of worms, but it's in the same vein. Medication is ridiculously expensive in the US in general. I have ADHD and my quality of life is severely diminished without my medication, and it costs me $250/month or $3000/year WITH INSURANCE! My mother was diabetic and her insulin, that she literally could not live without, would have been around $7,000 a year if she didn't have insurance, and that's not even taking into account the several blood pressure meds and other medications she had to have to stay alive. Thankfully she had better insurance than I do.
Greedy corporations like this effect FAR more than just the opioid epidemic, but opioids are finally bringing these things to the forefront because of all the death. How many people had, and will continue, to die before these companies are forced to change?
I can't imagine legitimately needing these medications and having to deal with these idiots making it harder and harder to get.
This is a shocking common strategy for pharmaceutical companies
FYI.
ONLY CERTAIN DOCTORS CAN PRESCRIBE THIS TYPE OF MEDICINE.
You failed to state this in the video. Doctors must have additional training to write scripts for Suboxone, Subutex or Buprinorphine.
I am on the film and pharmacys dont get the pills anymore
Caleb Andrew-jean do you live in the us? If so, that’s incorrect information.....I live in the US and still take the pill version, I have no issues getting my prescription at the pharmacy.
@@PossumWrangler ya i live in md
So informative. What wasn't mentioned was that 85% of opioids that are illegally sold on the street in the US are from China. EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT!! (sorry this post is long)
BUT! Aside from that~
What about those of us who rely upon opioids for severe pain and can actually take part in our lives as opposed to being in bed, in non retractable pain? That's me! I don't use opioids to escape my life. I use them live my life, be part of my family and act as normal as possible, given my many illnesses, including non treatable migraine disease. Opioids gave me back my life! My dose hasn't changed in over 15 years. I neither ask for, nor need, a higher dose. This "crisis" hits those of us negatively who need the relief, such as myself, far, far too often. Those, like myself, who have never asked for more, have zero history of abuse (I actually started out on a higher dose, but asked for less), never "lost" my drugs, sold them, given them away and follow EVERY rule to the nth degree and yet are basically accused of "drug seeking". Example:
my new dr asked if I reeeeeally need the opioid and could we maybe wean me off. ALL of that proof I provided to him and my chart provided (my former dr died unexpectedly 4 years ago, so this dr replaced him)~I'd been a patient of my original dr for 30 years, plus I'm a nurse, so my opinion was important to my first dr and this new dr STILL suspected me. And this was 3 years after he became my dr! I told him point blank to sign my death certificate then and there, because if I do not have the pain relief opioids provide~I'm taking my life. Period. Seemed to hit the spot because he has never questioned me about it again AND get this~he gives me 6 repeats so I don't have to visit him every gawddamn month for a renewal.
But I still know~at all times~he can, on a whim, cut me off w zero recourse! I mean after all I MUST be an addict if I insist I need them~duh.
I'm not young. And I don't brook fools~nor will I be treated as one. But younger folk who need them? I feel deep empathy for them.
Because until this crisis is over (like the crack epidemic in the '80s) everyone legitimately on opioids is suspect.
Jenn in Canada 🍁
Coming off buprenorphrine is hard but it saves lives
Ive been trying to wean off it for 2 years now, Its so damn hard. I've been off dope for 5 years but the sick from subs lasts so long I've been stuck on it for 5 years
I am a recovering addict from crack, heroin, and opioids. I live in Canada. I am on Suboxone now, I have been on it for almost six months. I am so grateful for it. I am now working a full time government job. I love it. And I will be graduating this year in June. I am 18 years old. I am living an awesome life now. I came from hate and abuse and because of Suboxone I am loving life
Jessica Adams keep up the good work. You’re worth it.
@@Asterisk_Stirstick thank you!
The problem isn't that pills were readily available, it's that we actively prohibit these drugs under the controlled substance act. The solution is so simple, implement supervised heroin clinics and practice harm reduction
I think there needs to me more help available for addicts. You can't go to rehab unless you're rich and pay $30-40k for treatment. No rehabs will help you unless you have money. Medicaid will sometimes pay for suboxone or methadone but addicts need more then that. They need counseling and classes not just more PILLS.
So. Did y'all look into those that are ruled an OD when it was a terminal patient who wanted to govern their death? Since "Right to Death" was also covered by y'all, i think it should have been considered.
Because numbers wise, 67k isn't a big percentage in the US. So I don't think you should conflate pill OD deaths with regular pill abuse. Which is a different story all together.
The only opioid epidemic is not that opioids cause drug overdoses,
It's actually that chronic pain sufferers cannot get the regular meds we need so people are taking risks to get the relief we need!
the1tigglet YES YES YES! I was afraid I was gonna be the only one to bring this up
I’m so glad you did! Thank you for commenting. Hard to see so many harsh comments from perfectly healthy people who don’t know what’s going on for pain patients!
I’m also an advocate for pain patients & think Phil needs to dig into the rabbit hole further about Indivior & “Dr” Andrew Kolodny (the opioid addiction “expert”) - and their role about spreading misinformation to public about effectiveness & safety of pain medicine & the addiction rates. He needs to examine the ties/relationship between Kolodny & Tom Frieden (former head of CDC) in getting the CDC to write Opioid Pain Medicine Rx Guidelines after Kolodny failed to get the FDA in 2012 to change the labeling for pain medicine & pulling high doses off the market (hmmm sounds like Indivior’s failed attempt with FDA in 2009 re: suboxone strips vs tablets). Kolodny worked for Indivior in early 2000s pushing suboxone to prisons & hospitals - hospitals received money from Indivior after visits from Kolodny to write for suboxone. Kolodny then preached the dangers of opioid pain medicines for chronic pain (a psychiatrist who never treated a pain patient ever & who barely ever treated patients in general for anything). Indivior’s business/marketing plan was to get pain patients to be switched to suboxone for their pain - since it’s still an opioid medicine, but “safer.” What a new huge market for them - 50-100 million patients with chronic pain that are compliant & need medication likely for life. Phillip needs to know that addiction rates for legitimate patients w/painful chronic diseases is less than 1% when properly screened & very low for patients with acute pain when properly screened as well. He needs to know that opioid addiction is likely triggered by genetic abnormality & exposure to opioid medicine wont cause addiction for ppl not prone to it. He needs to know it’s similar to alcohol - in the way that many people drink socially or even misuse alcohol in college, but don’t become alcoholics. The substance doesn’t cause addiction - addiction causes addiction & only 1-2% of population has addiction (that hasn’t changes in a century). What we are experiencing is an overdose crisis from illicitly manufactured fentanyl (not Rx fentanyl) & heroin. Pill mills of the past are gone for the most part or became suboxone pill mills.
Why is this important for the public? You and I both know that patients w/painful chronic illnesses can no longer get treatment with opioid pain medication that we used safely for years. Patients with cancer and in hospice are being refused treatment for pain. Patients having surgery - major surgeries like hip replacements or open heart surgery where your chest in cracked open are being sent home with Tylenol or Advil. We have seen many patients in our community commit suicide from untreated or undertreated pain. MSM is finally starting to tell our story. We have been suffering for years now - our choices being suicide, illicit drugs, or suffering in bed 24/7 while losing our jobs, family, & quality of life.
I have all of the stats, research, documents, contacts with experts to support what we are saying, etc.
Patients that have tried everything & rely on pain medication to work & raise their family can no longer get these medications. Doctors are too scared to prescribe them because of the DEA raiding their offices. We are dying. We are suffering. Suboxone does not work well for pain & Indivior w/their shady past & marketing practices would love love love to have an entire new patient population to sell their meds to - as only 1-2 million suffer from opioid addiction, but 25 million Americans suffer from high impact, chronic pain.
@@AW301517 from someone who has worked in an office with a pain management program and managing my grandma's end of life pain and my grandma's chronic arthritis pain I will say there is a lot of pain CBD oils will control, and there are a lot that it won't problem is some of it is mental. The pain practice was attached to a mental health office, the ones that also were seen by a therapist on mental health for dealing with pain very rarely had flags go up on their charts. Insurance companies weren't calling or sending us letters saying that they are receiving the same rx from another dr as well, they weren't calling in for refills weeks too early and they weren't on the phone screaming at the support staff because they couldn't get a refill yet. Controlled substances are just that controlled Drs are watched when they prescribe the medications.
Now on the other side it is frustrating as hell to know you have not used a drug incorrectly but the office staff has screwed something up so you dont get you pain meds I have gone through that with my grandma. It got to the point of whether she needed it refilled or not once the correct day time range was over I called in for a refill because it would take the office staff some time 3 days to get it to the pharmacy. And if there was a weekend and holiday involved 7days. The over night on call dr really did not like me...he first accuses my grandma of over taking and them someone in the house stealing it....then I break down the math prove she has gone 20+ day on a 15day prescription and then ask for his department head. After the third call with him, he just fills it when I say the office staff has screwed up again.
I’m soooo happy you guys aren’t bashing on suboxone as a treatment. I myself have been taking suboxone for some time, 4 years, and have remained 100% clean. I went from an unproductive, unsustainable lifestyle to a healthy, happy, tax paying citizen. I now have a good job a very stable living situation and generally good life and I credit this positive change DIRECTLY and SOLELY bc of this treatment. It’s nice to be able to experience how good a clean drug free life can be before you go through the process of completely going at it alone. At least for me, I was using for so long I forgot that life could be good without drugs. I forgot that you can enjoy life more sober than you could high. It’s impossible to describe the the joy in realizing you can be happy without all that
One man goes to jail for life for selling a harmless (to adults) plant to a few.
Billionaire Pharmacudical CEOs make billions more off the addictions and deaths of thousands and lives a life of luxury.
WELCOME TO HUMANITY
It's a sad truth!
Because of this drug i have not popped a pill Since September 19, 2017. I owe my life to suboxon. I went from taken 30 yellow nerco's A-day. Now i take two subs a week.
You should do a video on Kratom. A plant that's helping people get off opioids.