Debating is not about fighting. It's about discussing to achieve a certain understanding. Hindi dapat tunog nag-aaway, hindi rin tunog nag mamayabang. A good and ideal debater speaks calmly and soundly, laying off his/her points clearly. Plus appealing to emotion in a debate is a logical fallacy. The topic is a wasted potential.
pag mas malakas daw ang boses, mas maganda hahaha tanginang debate to nag aagawan ng mic, hindi man lang nag aantay bago matapos yung isa bobo ng gantong debate
DEBATE TIMESTAMPS 3:40 divorce introduction 5:44 stand #1 (favor) 6:11 stand #2 (unfavor) 8:01 start bardagulan 15:00 nagbigay comments 17:30 1st topic tackled (values, sacred, religion) 23:30 2nd topic tackled (cost, availability, accessibility, effects on children) 26:59 3rd topic tackled (continuation of child as priority, effect on the child) 31:35 Question favor for Pros (Abt continuation of marriage with a problem) 32:56 Question favor for Pros (Abt marriage with acts against human rights, effects on the child) 34:17 Suggestions favor for Cons 35:39 Question favor for Pros 38:27 conclusions
I think Josh is too overrated because of his appearance rather than his arguments. I am more convinced of how Norlie elaborated and delivered her (their) group points. In my opinion, Norlie deserves to be the best Speaker. Anyways, this is a good channel it focuses on students' points for they will be the ones who will inherit and come across in this issue in the future. Very well said!
In social psychology, we call this "Peripheral Route to Persuasion". This is when listeners focus on speaker's attractiveness and manner of speaking rather than the strength of the argument he gives, and pieces of evidence he presents.
36:35 it's also logical based on your argument sa pagiging modelo ng mga bata na maiisip din nila na tama lang kapag nagbubugbugan ang parents nila nag aaway nag sisigawan dahil yung din ang nakikita nila. When you file for divorce sa isang abusive at toxic na relasyon. tinuturan mo din yung anak mo na to stand up to his/her rights. Na hindi tama at normal na naaabuso sya sa isang relasyon dahil lang nakatali sya sa isang tao. Na hindi mo need magtiis sa isang situation na hindi na tama. Which can also be the case for Bullying.
josh. he can't even deliver his side properly, some of his statements were contradicted by himself. he kept throwing sentences in an informal way, pinuputol niya yung mga sinasabi ng kabilang side without even hearing them out first. sarcastic yung way of talking niya, and mabilis mag-burst ng emotions, defenders should and must stay calm during a debate. he doesn't understand the point of the other's statements, i believe that he was just trying to voice out his insights about the cons of their topic, however, he delivered it in a contrasting way. i am siding on the pros' side, as their members conducted their statements formally and more reasonably. the cons side were also giving fair point, however, some of their basis and elaboration were not quite understandable. norlie deserves to get the title of the best speaker! i disagree with josh being the one who won the prize. norlie stood on her side and constructed her statements very well and open-mindedly, despite being cut off by the other team, she kept speaking up her opinions undisturbed. therefore, personally, i would love to see more of her participating in a debate session like this! they are all intelligent in their own ways! i hope she and the others become successful in the future. ( ꈍᴗꈍ)
I they should respect other people time before they talk and let the other party finish his or her argument so that they can explain their thoughts more clearly.
Ang dapat na best speaker ay si miss noriel kase mas may strenght ang kanyang points na kahit singit ng singit yung other parties hindi siya nagiba tiyaka mas naelaborate ni miss noriel ang point ng kanyang group
30:25 Josh: Kapag sila ay na expose sa divorce sila rin ay magiging ganon. Josh, kapag sila ay masyadong na expose sa pagbubugbog, pananakit o pag aaway ng kanilang magulang may chance na isipin nila na tama yon at gawin yon. Baka maging abuser din sila. Putragis ka.
I agree it is a matter of probability whether the child will adapt the things he experienced or saw but we can't fully conclude that a child will turn out just like his parents. It may have influenced him/her at some point but Josh ended the statement as if he's really sure the child will do the same thing. He didn't clearly elaborate his point of argument. Some of his words contradict his previous speech and the information is vague.
Di ko na tinapos yung debate nila HAHAHA. Binabasa ko palang mga comments mukang hahighbloodin din ako dun sa Josh. Knowing na ang informal nya makipag debate, sya parin yung best speaker maybe due to his appearance
These high school students are intelligent. However, the execution of the debate was informal. The arguments are good but this should've been done formally.
We should not blame josh for that, because josh is also doing he's best to protect their side. That is the purpose of this debate, to discuss certain things and to prove in which they stand (Pros and Cons) 🥂
yeah pero dapat hindi niya cinucut off si norlie ang informal ng debate paano sila magkakaintindihan kung binabara niya i mean nagsasalita agad siya kahit hindi pa tapos yung isang team, debate is not about fighting, purpose ng debate, discuss siya kung paano maachieve ung certain understanding, hindi sila masyado magkaintindihan dahil nagsisigawan and keeps cutting off each other, hindi purpose ng debate ang pang cucut off so yeah sana itinuro man lang sa kanila yung formal debate kasi hindi dapat sila magkakaintindihan if sabay-sabay magsasalita.
I just find it ikot-ikot by Sarah G. charoot, for me umiikot lang yong sagot ni miss Tania about doon sa abusive partner. Filing a case against abusive partner still, doesn't give you a freedom to that partner. Imagine, pagnakulong yan, sinong mag-aaalaga ng anak? Wife pa rin. So it's not far from being divorce, right? Ang wife lang din mag-isa ang nagtataguyod. Pero the problem is pag nakalaya yong partner, saan sya babalik? Doon pa rin sa wife nya dahil kasal nga sila. So do they give the freedom to the wife? No.
34:38 i don't agree with what she said na "short term remedy" lang ang divorce. ang short term remedy ay ang napakulong mo nga pero paglabas niya ng kulungan babalik parin ito sakanyang asawa dahil hindi pa sila hiwalay. hindi napawalang bisa ang kasal. putting the abuser to jail wasn't a complete solution, it gave the victim and children a short term break from the abuse. norlie did it better.
Divorce is a complicating topic but it can turn your someone's life uphill because if you cant deal with your partner and the same goes for him, you'll claim a divorce agreement right? It is not that easy to divorce with someone that you LOVED but HATRED will remain if you dont do anything right? Make a move, divorce team did it better
30:27 You just said that you do not appeal to global audiences pero karamihan ng "researches" and "studies" mo galing sa ibang bansa which is part of the "global audience" -_-
Oregon-Oxford debate format na lang sana ginamit. Para mas organized ang speech, and rebuttals. Sa debate na 'to, hindi pa tapos ang isang debater, nagsasalita na kaagad 'yong opponent. Hindi na na-explain nang enough, and maayos ang argument.
H'wag nating hayaan na magtiis at patuloy na masaktan yung mga taong nagiging dehado dahil sa palpak na relasyon. Tama yung sinabi nila na yung bata yung pinakamaaapektuhan. Mas magiging malala yung epekto nung mga nakikita nung bata na pag-aaway ng magulang nya. Pwede ring magawa nung batang yon sa ibang bata yung mga nakikita nya katulad ng pananakit (kung meron man). Yes to divorce!
Naiisip mo rin ba na abusado ang mga tao sa freedom nila? At kapag naging legal ito. Kawawa ang mga babae. Dahil paniguradong ang pinaka malakas na reason kung bakit ka papayagan na mag divorce ay "pananakit". Baka kapag nananawa na yung partner mo sayo bugbugin kaniya para lang mapayagang kumawala? Also hindi na mag iisip ng seryoso or magdedesisyon ng talagang pinag isipan bago ka operan ng pagpapakasal. Kasi magiging trial and error nalang to.The "PAPAKASALAN KO TO PARA MAKUHA KO YUNG GUSTO KO SA KANYA" kapag di ko na gusto mag file na lang ng divorce. Gusto niyo yun? Atleast kung di ilelegal to mas malaki assurance na seryoso ag partner mo dahil pinag isipan. Kung hindi mag work edi mag hiwalay na lang kayo. Tutal para sainyo di ganun kaimportante nang papel diba? Kaya nga gusto niyo ilegal e. Kawawa talaga ang babae dito promise. Sa dami ng babaero ngayon sila ang mga halimaw nag mag te take advantage nito. Ngayon pa nga lang na legal yung divorce may cheating na what more if may divorce. Wala ng halaga ang kasal pag ganun. Kasi para na lang kayong mag gf/bf na may kasulatan. Kaya No to divorce
10:13 Well this is one of the reasons bakit need ng divorce. Imagine being tied up with someone for liefe na ganyan yung problem nyo. It might look petty at first pero try mo iexperience yan for the rest of you life. It's HELL. Sa ibang tao na lang kung hindi kayo same ng "personality" at hindi din kayo nagkakasundo ayaw mong gawing FRIENDS diba? what more yung Partner for life pa.
Thinking about family harmony as one of the reasons why divorce shouldn't be implemented is complete bullshit. If you're thinking about the child, then would you rather show them how abusive and problematic your family is and grow up in that kind of environment? Based from experience, it is much better to grow up with separated parents than grow up in a toxic environment. When my mom was dealing with my dad's alcoholism and abuse, I couldn't fathom how could she never leave that man. All she said was that gusto nya lumaki kaming kumpleto. Fvck that reasoning, no one wants to grow up in a complete toxic, abusive and problematic family. And if it is all about the word of God and the sanctity of marriage, can you still consider it holy if ang actions naman ng mag asawa ay against sa concept ng marriage? Cheating? Abuse? Toxicity?
34:30 Bat ipapakulong mo lang, magfile na rin ng divorce, what's the point of the marriage contract if nasa kulungan naman na ung partner mo. It will just hinder you to start anew, remember may limitations ka if married ka parin.
Sumasang ayon ako di na dapat natin pagdusahin ang isang pamilyang nagtitiis na buoin ulit ito. Pero tama din ang sinabi nang kabilang panig na mawawalan ng bisa ng kasal, basbas ng simbahan at ng ating Panginoon kung paghihiwalayin ang isang pamilya. Siguro pwedeng humanap ng ibang paraan upang maayos ang ganitong uri ng problema at mas bigyan itong pansin dahil kawawa ang mga batang naapektuhan ng ganitong klaseng problema.
I think it's just not sa loob lang ng family natututo ang mga anak. Nakadipende rin sa mga friends and environment ang ugali and habits and influence na napipick up ng mga bata. Yung ibang mga bata nga, kahit complete family tapos naaalagaan naman ng maayos, eh nagrerebelde at/o nagiging masama pa rin. Ikaw? Ba't ka ganyan? Dahil lang ba sa pamilya mo, o dahil din sa mga taong nakilala mo?
Debate is sharing knowledge and not argument to the point na mag eend sa fight. Pinag aaway lang yung mga student dito dahil hindi maganda ang pamamalakad ng debate.
Affirmative side used personal Attack against the opposing side, Which is not good for a debate. I've been through this before when I was in Sr high as well. Afterthought Yun ng titser nmin na I avoid Yung Ad hominem. Hahahha but its okay you play your part genuinely. BTW, pa shout out po Kuya Sky. Im a fan po. 💕💕💕
Oh em gee. Are we having a rap session? Lol. Why do high schoolers tend to shout in debate? Keep calm and be relax. As to Josh, don’t butt in while the speaker is speaking. G na g si koya. Use the Oxford Debate Style para mas maayos. Napakagulo geez
34:13 This repetitive argument is senseless. You can file for divorce and file for VAWC at the same time. :D At kapag nanatilit kayong magkasama sa isang bubong mas malaki ang chance na mabugbog ka pa ulet compare sa hindi na kayo magkasama. It will drastically lessen the probability based on the "study of common sense" :D
i would like to disagree to the cons’ side. una‚ doon sa sinasabi nilang may batas naman katulad ng RA 9262 Anti-Violence Against Women and their Children Act of 2004, hindi naman porque nakapag file ka ng case e malaya ka na. nakakulong lang ang partner mo pero hindi nawala ang pagiging mag asawa niyo. nasa kulungan lang ang partner mo at hindi nawala ang bisa ng kasal niyo. naka kulong lang ang partner mo at hindi ka nakalaya bilang asawa niya mismo. you will file a divorce and file a case after. nakalaya ka sa asawa mo at nakalaya ka sa marriage niyo. second, sa sinasabi nilang iisipin ng anak e tama o madali na lang ang divorce kasi iyon ang nakalakihan. ang baba ng tingin niyo sa mga anak na may divorce parents. hangga’t bata pa, normal na hahanapin ng anak ang magulang niya dahil hindi pa niya alam ang nangyayari o ang dahilan ng paghihiwalay ng parents niya. but as the childrens grow, mage-expand ang utak o ang capacity ng utak ng tao. hindi tanga at bobo ang anak ng divorce parents para hindi maintindihan yon hanggang sa sila ay ikakasal na. i’ll give you an example. lumaki ang bata na gumagamit ng droga ang tatay niya. sa una, iisipin nila tama lang yon. hangga’t sila ay tumatanda, unti-unti silang nage-explore at may pumapasok ng knowledges sa kanila about drugs. nagkakaroon sila ng kaalaman tungkol sa drugs. habang lumalaki sila, nad-differentiate nila ang tama sa mali. it’s their decision kung magd-droga rin sila o hindi. PERO HINDI IBIG SABIHIN NON AY DI NA NILA ALAM ANG TAMA AT MALI. third, to that “short term remedy”. hindi short-term remedy ang divorce. ang short term remedy ay iyong pinaglalaban niyong mag file nalang diretso ng case kaysa mag file ng divorce kung may involve na violence. kapag nakalaya ang abusive partner, babalik siya at maitatali ulit sa asawang naging victim niya dahil nanatili silang nakatali sa marriage nila. sadyang nahiwalay lang sa isa’t isa kasi nakakulong ang isa. iyon ang short term remedy. fourth, yung about sa pagiging housewife ng battered wife. i get your point na mawawalan ng financial support ang mga bata kung may batang involve sa mag asawa. yung pinaglalaban mong paano ang sustento kung magd-divorce, di mo naisip na iyon ang purpose ng dswd at iba pang department sa pamahalaan. may mga oras na hindi na natin dapat isaalang-alang ang practically kung magkakaroon naman tayo ng payapang buhay at mawawala ang torture sa atin (emotionally, verbally and physically). you shouldn't invalidate and degrade those battered housewives, you misogynist stupîd bîtch. mas pipiliin nilang kumilos, mag trabaho at gumawa ng pera ng mag-isa kaysa kumapit sa relasyong dehado sila. ++ hindi mawawala ang financial support from the other parent kapag nag hiwalay sila ng asawa niya. that’s another case. may kaso ang hindi nagsusustento sa anak, lalo na at wala sa side nila yung bata. dugo’t laman mo yan, sustentuhan mo. kasal man kayo, may relasyon o hiwalay na ng isa pang magulang ng anak mo, susustentuhan mo yan. hindi excuse ang hiwalay na kayo para matigil ang financial support. in addition, tungkol na sa financial support ng bata ang ipinapasok niyo, which is another case. that’s out of context. hindi na yan tungkol sa mag-asawang magf-file ng divorce. hindi niyo pwedeng sabihing paano ang battered housewives kapag nakipag divorce siya kasi uulitin ko, that’s a different case. continuously ang financial support from the other parent kaya hindi problema ang pera. sobrang obvious ng segway niyo sa kung paano niyo sagutin lahat ng ilalatag ng opponent niyo. this debate is so informal. dito rin na-prove na totoo ang pretty privilege. hindi malinaw o hindi na-defend nang maayos ni josh ang side nila. naging aggressive siya through words at naging sarcastic. hindi dapat ganoon ang debate. sa debate, you have to defend and stand by your side and point without being informal (if it is formal debate) and sarcastic. para lang kayong nagtatalo rito. mas deserve ni norlie ang best speaker. josh is one of those enabler of abusive partner and his misogynistic rebuttals never makes sense. he’s an enabler and misogynist bîtch. ciao.
I totally agree for devorce bill in the Philippines una sa lahat hindi naman para sa maaus na familya yan para yan sa mga Dina pwede mag sama or dina kayang ayusin pa desevere a seconds chance ika nga nila sa mga ayaw sa mga maayos ang family nyu good for them so di nila kailangan pano naman ung mga my gusto or di maayos na pamilya
The against side said that the children would be greatly affected when their parents got Divorced but, wouldn't there be a more negative effect on the child specially in terms of psychological matter if the children live in a house where there is always fighting? when Parents got devorce, yes we can't deny the fact that there is a chance that those children will also have a devorce in the future but, if a child is exposed in so much fighting in the house may it be through words, or physical assault, there is also chance that the child will be violent towards other child at school.
Divorce is depends of the situation, if the situation is not worst or toxic to children then no to divorce. But counteract by that , divorce should be chosen as the last option
Pro Divorce did best. Pero marami akong points na gusto kong marinig na hindi ko narinig. Like these: • Staying in toxic relationships are worse for the children than getting divorced. When children are exposed to abuse in their household, they tend to be abusive to their future relationships as the Anti-Divorce, kung ano ang nakikita ng mga bata ay yun ang iniisip nilang tama. They'll think these acts are fine dahil nahahayaan lang. It could also end up to the children standing up for their abused parent which puts them to greater risk. And hindi mo lang basta maiva-VAWC agad yan. Much better kung i-divorce muna and distance yourself to the abuser before filing VAWC kasi pwedeng magkaroon ng situation na gagawing "hostage" ang mga anak para idismiss ang kaso na yun.
May mga relasyon at pagsasama sa buhay mag-asawa na hindi na talaga pwede. Physical, Mental, Emotional at Spiritual ang apektado for both magpartner at sa mga anak nila because of living with disfunctional relationship or family. Even buhay nila nakasalalay lalo na kapag abusive ang partner. My mga nakapaloob nman na criterias at kino-conduct na further investigation kung pweding i-divorce. Ung epekto sa bata ng divorce ay pwedeng matulungan sa pamamagitan ng support system ng magulang at mga kamag-anak at eventually maiintindihan at makaka cope up din sila rather than living the whole family sa isang sitwasyon na magulo, di na kaya pang ayusin pa at ikakapahamak pa nila. So, Yes to divorce.
Medyo nakakainis yung iba sa kanila na sabat nang sabat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH di ko marinig ng maayos yung sinasabi nila at nacu-cut off Pero okay lang masaya naman panoorin HAHAHAHHAH sana ganto din debate namin bukas
why would you let something more abusive happen to yourself when you know yourself that you have the power to end it?and if you say that the best way to solve it is by bringing it to court and put the abuser to jail?by doing so,you wont fully achieve the freedom you wanted,correct me if I’m wrong but even tho your partner is in jail your marriage is still valid right?which means u can’t get married by someone else now if we talk about housewives who want to get divorced but isn’t financially capable of doing so?first i think Josh was the one to say this i can’t really tell the exact words but I think what he meant was that how can you sustain and support the life of your children if you’re just a housewife(you can freely correct me if im wrong),so my respond to that is even if youre a just a housewife it doesnt mean that youre not capable of working or make a living to be able to sustain and support your children,next is that if ever youre gonna whose gonna be the one to look after your childrens?well as long as u still have someone to trust then you can entrust(for example;relative,friends) the children to them. and lastly I would like to ask you guys Are you guys willing to watch your mom,siblings(if you have some) suffer not just physically but also mentally and emotionally just to keep the so called sanctity of marriage?is this sanctity thing much more important than what youre enduring?are you willing to endure so much pain just to keep the sanctity of your marriage?now lets go take the childs pov if your parents is always fighting and hurting each other,will you let them get divorce?or will you just keep watching and let them torment each other
Yes to divorce pra sa kaatusan ng mga naghiwalay..mali term niyo gustong maghihiwalay..ayusin niyo words niyo mga mag asawang matagal ng naghihiwalay maayos na.
32:15 doesn't really answer the question. the question is whether you would still continue a dysfunctional relationship, which involves physical, emotional, and mental abuse. ang sagot ng negative side is you can file a case instead of divorcing your partner. so nasaan ang answer dito? meaning they agree to just continue the relationship even though, yes, makukulong ang partner nila? ibig sabihin may babalikan pa yung partner nila? it's very illogical and contrary sa argument nila about sa sanctity of a marriage.
Lol 🤣 di Naman formal debate Yung ginawa when it comes to debate lahat nag iinit pero daapt cinocontrol Yung emotions di naging formal Yung debate nato made nagsasalita Yung sa con sinasagot na agad Yung pro so pano nila maiidefend Yung side nila? hahahahah
The topic was good however their way of debating was so informal. Debate is the art of persuasion but not in the way of shouting. Once you shout, your listener or opponent will struggle to process what you say rationally.
33:40 Sabihin nating baliktad naman, paano kung babae naman ang nangaabuso sa relationship? Papaano mo yon dadalhin sa korte? mayroong bang batas na domestic violence against men?
Mas lalong Nkktakot ang magiging ugali ng mga tao s susunod PNG hinirasyon pag k my debursyo n sa pinas una pgiging erisponsabli .at kwalang pag pphalaga ..sa pamilya ..ksi my mas madali ng praan 🫰🏻 tas dina muling png mg kkaruon ng Family reunion...sa pinas..sa future ksi my mga conflict sa nkraan🎉😅
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Debating is not about fighting. It's about discussing to achieve a certain understanding. Hindi dapat tunog nag-aaway, hindi rin tunog nag mamayabang. A good and ideal debater speaks calmly and soundly, laying off his/her points clearly. Plus appealing to emotion in a debate is a logical fallacy. The topic is a wasted potential.
Couldn't agree more, it seems to me that they're fighting and arguing over topics that can be discussed calmly.
Very well said. uwu❤️
@@markgray2133 And they cut each other off when the other one's still speaking. That is very disrespectful and unprofessional.
well said.
pag mas malakas daw ang boses, mas maganda hahaha tanginang debate to nag aagawan ng mic, hindi man lang nag aantay bago matapos yung isa bobo ng gantong debate
DEBATE TIMESTAMPS
3:40 divorce introduction
5:44 stand #1 (favor)
6:11 stand #2 (unfavor)
8:01 start bardagulan
15:00 nagbigay comments
17:30 1st topic tackled (values, sacred, religion)
23:30 2nd topic tackled (cost, availability, accessibility, effects on children)
26:59 3rd topic tackled (continuation of child as priority, effect on the child)
31:35 Question favor for Pros (Abt continuation of marriage with a problem)
32:56 Question favor for Pros (Abt marriage with acts against human rights, effects on the child)
34:17 Suggestions favor for Cons
35:39 Question favor for Pros
38:27 conclusions
thank you ha
start bardagulan bwhahaha
Norlie is clear on her argument. Kahit nagsisigawan na hindi parin sya nawawala sa argumento nya. She's good. Ang HB nong Josh.
I think Josh is too overrated because of his appearance rather than his arguments. I am more convinced of how Norlie elaborated and delivered her (their) group points. In my opinion, Norlie deserves to be the best Speaker. Anyways, this is a good channel it focuses on students' points for they will be the ones who will inherit and come across in this issue in the future. Very well said!
Ate naman na spoil ako kung sino sa kanila ang best speaker
In social psychology, we call this "Peripheral Route to Persuasion". This is when listeners focus on speaker's attractiveness and manner of speaking rather than the strength of the argument he gives, and pieces of evidence he presents.
Truth akoy naaasar
true
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36:35 it's also logical based on your argument sa pagiging modelo ng mga bata na maiisip din nila na tama lang kapag nagbubugbugan ang parents nila nag aaway nag sisigawan dahil yung din ang nakikita nila. When you file for divorce sa isang abusive at toxic na relasyon. tinuturan mo din yung anak mo na to stand up to his/her rights. Na hindi tama at normal na naaabuso sya sa isang relasyon dahil lang nakatali sya sa isang tao. Na hindi mo need magtiis sa isang situation na hindi na tama. Which can also be the case for Bullying.
agree
truu
josh. he can't even deliver his side properly, some of his statements were contradicted by himself. he kept throwing sentences in an informal way, pinuputol niya yung mga sinasabi ng kabilang side without even hearing them out first. sarcastic yung way of talking niya, and mabilis mag-burst ng emotions, defenders should and must stay calm during a debate. he doesn't understand the point of the other's statements, i believe that he was just trying to voice out his insights about the cons of their topic, however, he delivered it in a contrasting way.
i am siding on the pros' side, as their members conducted their statements formally and more reasonably. the cons side were also giving fair point, however, some of their basis and elaboration were not quite understandable.
norlie deserves to get the title of the best speaker! i disagree with josh being the one who won the prize. norlie stood on her side and constructed her statements very well and open-mindedly, despite being cut off by the other team, she kept speaking up her opinions undisturbed. therefore, personally, i would love to see more of her participating in a debate session like this! they are all intelligent in their own ways! i hope she and the others become successful in the future. ( ꈍᴗꈍ)
opo nga i agree masyadong highblood yung josh attitude pa
Divorce team did it better for me, they had more reasonable arguments. I applaud Norlie.
Agree.
I they should respect other people time before they talk and let the other party finish his or her argument so that they can explain their thoughts more clearly.
Ang dapat na best speaker ay si miss noriel kase mas may strenght ang kanyang points na kahit singit ng singit yung other parties hindi siya nagiba tiyaka mas naelaborate ni miss noriel ang point ng kanyang group
Tama
30:25 Josh: Kapag sila ay na expose sa divorce sila rin ay magiging ganon.
Josh, kapag sila ay masyadong na expose sa pagbubugbog, pananakit o pag aaway ng kanilang magulang may chance na isipin nila na tama yon at gawin yon. Baka maging abuser din sila. Putragis ka.
Tama
I agree it is a matter of probability whether the child will adapt the things he experienced or saw but we can't fully conclude that a child will turn out just like his parents. It may have influenced him/her at some point but Josh ended the statement as if he's really sure the child will do the same thing. He didn't clearly elaborate his point of argument. Some of his words contradict his previous speech and the information is vague.
Mygosh. True! 😅
Di ko na tinapos yung debate nila HAHAHA. Binabasa ko palang mga comments mukang hahighbloodin din ako dun sa Josh. Knowing na ang informal nya makipag debate, sya parin yung best speaker maybe due to his appearance
These high school students are intelligent. However, the execution of the debate was informal. The arguments are good but this should've been done formally.
100% agreed
Josh is not a savage. He's an enabler of an abusive partner.
Agree. Ang HB niya pa shuta haha
I fully agree
Sa tru lang haha
Agree
Sa true lang haha
We should not blame josh for that, because josh is also doing he's best to protect their side. That is the purpose of this debate, to discuss certain things and to prove in which they stand (Pros and Cons) 🥂
yeah pero dapat hindi niya cinucut off si norlie ang informal ng debate paano sila magkakaintindihan kung binabara niya i mean nagsasalita agad siya kahit hindi pa tapos yung isang team, debate is not about fighting, purpose ng debate, discuss siya kung paano maachieve ung certain understanding, hindi sila masyado magkaintindihan dahil nagsisigawan and keeps cutting off each other, hindi purpose ng debate ang pang cucut off so yeah sana itinuro man lang sa kanila yung formal debate kasi hindi dapat sila magkakaintindihan if sabay-sabay magsasalita.
Norlie did her research. Galing!
I like the topic but the debate is informal..
This is really an informal debate.
This is really an informal debate
Yes true. They must use a certain debate format.
Yes it is. Napakafree ng flow kaso hindi siya encouraged kung gusto mo makarinig ng matinong sagot.
I just find it ikot-ikot by Sarah G. charoot, for me umiikot lang yong sagot ni miss Tania about doon sa abusive partner. Filing a case against abusive partner still, doesn't give you a freedom to that partner. Imagine, pagnakulong yan, sinong mag-aaalaga ng anak? Wife pa rin. So it's not far from being divorce, right? Ang wife lang din mag-isa ang nagtataguyod. Pero the problem is pag nakalaya yong partner, saan sya babalik? Doon pa rin sa wife nya dahil kasal nga sila. So do they give the freedom to the wife? No.
Exactly my question.
What's the basis of your research?
Josh: According nga....sabay roll eyes. HAHAHAHAHA
#attitude
Sabi ni Josh di daw nag aappeal sa global audience pero most of his research ay from international countries ngek.
34:38 i don't agree with what she said na "short term remedy" lang ang divorce. ang short term remedy ay ang napakulong mo nga pero paglabas niya ng kulungan babalik parin ito sakanyang asawa dahil hindi pa sila hiwalay. hindi napawalang bisa ang kasal. putting the abuser to jail wasn't a complete solution, it gave the victim and children a short term break from the abuse. norlie did it better.
This is an informal debate, that's why their emotion is high -especially Josh.
Divorce is a complicating topic but it can turn your someone's life uphill because if you cant deal with your partner and the same goes for him, you'll claim a divorce agreement right? It is not that easy to divorce with someone that you LOVED but HATRED will remain if you dont do anything right? Make a move, divorce team did it better
Divorce Team is a winner Theyd deliver TheIr points Correctly and Completely
Josh is not cool nor savage, He can't even deliver his side
Exactly
But norlie can💅
30:27 You just said that you do not appeal to global audiences pero karamihan ng "researches" and "studies" mo galing sa ibang bansa which is part of the "global audience" -_-
Oregon-Oxford debate format na lang sana ginamit. Para mas organized ang speech, and rebuttals. Sa debate na 'to, hindi pa tapos ang isang debater, nagsasalita na kaagad 'yong opponent. Hindi na na-explain nang enough, and maayos ang argument.
H'wag nating hayaan na magtiis at patuloy na masaktan yung mga taong nagiging dehado dahil sa palpak na relasyon. Tama yung sinabi nila na yung bata yung pinakamaaapektuhan. Mas magiging malala yung epekto nung mga nakikita nung bata na pag-aaway ng magulang nya. Pwede ring magawa nung batang yon sa ibang bata yung mga nakikita nya katulad ng pananakit (kung meron man). Yes to divorce!
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Naiisip mo rin ba na abusado ang mga tao sa freedom nila? At kapag naging legal ito. Kawawa ang mga babae. Dahil paniguradong ang pinaka malakas na reason kung bakit ka papayagan na mag divorce ay "pananakit". Baka kapag nananawa na yung partner mo sayo bugbugin kaniya para lang mapayagang kumawala? Also hindi na mag iisip ng seryoso or magdedesisyon ng talagang pinag isipan bago ka operan ng pagpapakasal. Kasi magiging trial and error nalang to.The "PAPAKASALAN KO TO PARA MAKUHA KO YUNG GUSTO KO SA KANYA" kapag di ko na gusto mag file na lang ng divorce. Gusto niyo yun? Atleast kung di ilelegal to mas malaki assurance na seryoso ag partner mo dahil pinag isipan. Kung hindi mag work edi mag hiwalay na lang kayo. Tutal para sainyo di ganun kaimportante nang papel diba? Kaya nga gusto niyo ilegal e. Kawawa talaga ang babae dito promise. Sa dami ng babaero ngayon sila ang mga halimaw nag mag te take advantage nito. Ngayon pa nga lang na legal yung divorce may cheating na what more if may divorce. Wala ng halaga ang kasal pag ganun. Kasi para na lang kayong mag gf/bf na may kasulatan. Kaya
No to divorce
rebuttal should only be done when permitted
10:13 Well this is one of the reasons bakit need ng divorce. Imagine being tied up with someone for liefe na ganyan yung problem nyo. It might look petty at first pero try mo iexperience yan for the rest of you life. It's HELL. Sa ibang tao na lang kung hindi kayo same ng "personality" at hindi din kayo nagkakasundo ayaw mong gawing FRIENDS diba? what more yung Partner for life pa.
Ganitong ganito mga comment section sa facebook kaso nakamic lang
Naurrr😭😭😭
you need to persuade the audience when you are debating, eh bakit parang lumala lang ang anger issues ko dito lmao
Thinking about family harmony as one of the reasons why divorce shouldn't be implemented is complete bullshit. If you're thinking about the child, then would you rather show them how abusive and problematic your family is and grow up in that kind of environment?
Based from experience, it is much better to grow up with separated parents than grow up in a toxic environment. When my mom was dealing with my dad's alcoholism and abuse, I couldn't fathom how could she never leave that man. All she said was that gusto nya lumaki kaming kumpleto. Fvck that reasoning, no one wants to grow up in a complete toxic, abusive and problematic family.
And if it is all about the word of God and the sanctity of marriage, can you still consider it holy if ang actions naman ng mag asawa ay against sa concept ng marriage? Cheating? Abuse? Toxicity?
I 100% agree with you!
Correct 💯
34:30
Bat ipapakulong mo lang, magfile na rin ng divorce, what's the point of the marriage contract if nasa kulungan naman na ung partner mo. It will just hinder you to start anew, remember may limitations ka if married ka parin.
NORLIE IS THE BEST SPEAKER PERIOD.
Sumasang ayon ako di na dapat natin pagdusahin ang isang pamilyang nagtitiis na buoin ulit ito. Pero tama din ang sinabi nang kabilang panig na mawawalan ng bisa ng kasal, basbas ng simbahan at ng ating Panginoon kung paghihiwalayin ang isang pamilya. Siguro pwedeng humanap ng ibang paraan upang maayos ang ganitong uri ng problema at mas bigyan itong pansin dahil kawawa ang mga batang naapektuhan ng ganitong klaseng problema.
I applaud miss norlie
Best way to end a fight is fighting
a real debater with a good heart and Giving idea to the listener❤️
Nako kapag napag daanan nyo na yung hirap dun nyo lang maiintindihan at sasabihin nyo YES TO DIVORCE !!!
"may pamilya bang walang anak?"🙄, Myghad josh ginigigil moko. 25:22
Bobo kase ang josh mygard AHAHAHAHA
I think it's just not sa loob lang ng family natututo ang mga anak. Nakadipende rin sa mga friends and environment ang ugali and habits and influence na napipick up ng mga bata. Yung ibang mga bata nga, kahit complete family tapos naaalagaan naman ng maayos, eh nagrerebelde at/o nagiging masama pa rin. Ikaw? Ba't ka ganyan? Dahil lang ba sa pamilya mo, o dahil din sa mga taong nakilala mo?
DIVORCE group is better than the group of Josh. Lol JOSH is not a good debator at all. Too pikon
Legit
FACTS
tangina nyan eh kapikon
Wasn't Josh's first statement already contradicted their side?
Debate is sharing knowledge and not argument to the point na mag eend sa fight. Pinag aaway lang yung mga student dito dahil hindi maganda ang pamamalakad ng debate.
Ate Nolie nailed it!!!
Josh was very informal.
NORLIE SLAYYYYY BEST SPEAKER
Halatang pikon yung Josh hahaha, mas deserve ni Norlie tbh
Affirmative side used personal Attack against the opposing side, Which is not good for a debate. I've been through this before when I was in Sr high as well. Afterthought Yun ng titser nmin na I avoid Yung Ad hominem. Hahahha but its okay you play your part genuinely. BTW, pa shout out po Kuya Sky. Im a fan po. 💕💕💕
An activity like this should be more practiced. Bumababa ang competence ng youth nowadays 🤦🏻♂
Oh em gee. Are we having a rap session? Lol. Why do high schoolers tend to shout in debate? Keep calm and be relax. As to Josh, don’t butt in while the speaker is speaking. G na g si koya. Use the Oxford Debate Style para mas maayos. Napakagulo geez
I enjoyed watching your video debates. I hope iskoolmates make more videos about school debates.
Go Norlie! Very well-spoken and made her points very clear.
Josh is being unethical 😅
Agree
kakapikon😭 ayaw patapusin nila josh magsalita yung kabilang side
I say YES to the DIVORCE BILL!
34:13 This repetitive argument is senseless. You can file for divorce and file for VAWC at the same time. :D At kapag nanatilit kayong magkasama sa isang bubong mas malaki ang chance na mabugbog ka pa ulet compare sa hindi na kayo magkasama. It will drastically lessen the probability based on the "study of common sense" :D
Pogi lang Josh peru best speaker talaga si Norlie
My vote goes to Norlie
it's like a rap battle but I love it.
i would like to disagree to the cons’ side.
una‚ doon sa sinasabi nilang may batas naman katulad ng RA 9262 Anti-Violence Against Women and their Children Act of 2004, hindi naman porque nakapag file ka ng case e malaya ka na. nakakulong lang ang partner mo pero hindi nawala ang pagiging mag asawa niyo. nasa kulungan lang ang partner mo at hindi nawala ang bisa ng kasal niyo. naka kulong lang ang partner mo at hindi ka nakalaya bilang asawa niya mismo.
you will file a divorce and file a case after. nakalaya ka sa asawa mo at nakalaya ka sa marriage niyo.
second, sa sinasabi nilang iisipin ng anak e tama o madali na lang ang divorce kasi iyon ang nakalakihan. ang baba ng tingin niyo sa mga anak na may divorce parents. hangga’t bata pa, normal na hahanapin ng anak ang magulang niya dahil hindi pa niya alam ang nangyayari o ang dahilan ng paghihiwalay ng parents niya. but as the childrens grow, mage-expand ang utak o ang capacity ng utak ng tao. hindi tanga at bobo ang anak ng divorce parents para hindi maintindihan yon hanggang sa sila ay ikakasal na.
i’ll give you an example. lumaki ang bata na gumagamit ng droga ang tatay niya. sa una, iisipin nila tama lang yon. hangga’t sila ay tumatanda, unti-unti silang nage-explore at may pumapasok ng knowledges sa kanila about drugs. nagkakaroon sila ng kaalaman tungkol sa drugs. habang lumalaki sila, nad-differentiate nila ang tama sa mali. it’s their decision kung magd-droga rin sila o hindi. PERO HINDI IBIG SABIHIN NON AY DI NA NILA ALAM ANG TAMA AT MALI.
third, to that “short term remedy”. hindi short-term remedy ang divorce. ang short term remedy ay iyong pinaglalaban niyong mag file nalang diretso ng case kaysa mag file ng divorce kung may involve na violence. kapag nakalaya ang abusive partner, babalik siya at maitatali ulit sa asawang naging victim niya dahil nanatili silang nakatali sa marriage nila. sadyang nahiwalay lang sa isa’t isa kasi nakakulong ang isa. iyon ang short term remedy.
fourth, yung about sa pagiging housewife ng battered wife. i get your point na mawawalan ng financial support ang mga bata kung may batang involve sa mag asawa. yung pinaglalaban mong paano ang sustento kung magd-divorce, di mo naisip na iyon ang purpose ng dswd at iba pang department sa pamahalaan. may mga oras na hindi na natin dapat isaalang-alang ang practically kung magkakaroon naman tayo ng payapang buhay at mawawala ang torture sa atin (emotionally, verbally and physically). you shouldn't invalidate and degrade those battered housewives, you misogynist stupîd bîtch. mas pipiliin nilang kumilos, mag trabaho at gumawa ng pera ng mag-isa kaysa kumapit sa relasyong dehado sila.
++ hindi mawawala ang financial support from the other parent kapag nag hiwalay sila ng asawa niya. that’s another case. may kaso ang hindi nagsusustento sa anak, lalo na at wala sa side nila yung bata. dugo’t laman mo yan, sustentuhan mo. kasal man kayo, may relasyon o hiwalay na ng isa pang magulang ng anak mo, susustentuhan mo yan. hindi excuse ang hiwalay na kayo para matigil ang financial support. in addition, tungkol na sa financial support ng bata ang ipinapasok niyo, which is another case. that’s out of context. hindi na yan tungkol sa mag-asawang magf-file ng divorce. hindi niyo pwedeng sabihing paano ang battered housewives kapag nakipag divorce siya kasi uulitin ko, that’s a different case. continuously ang financial support from the other parent kaya hindi problema ang pera. sobrang obvious ng segway niyo sa kung paano niyo sagutin lahat ng ilalatag ng opponent niyo.
this debate is so informal. dito rin na-prove na totoo ang pretty privilege. hindi malinaw o hindi na-defend nang maayos ni josh ang side nila. naging aggressive siya through words at naging sarcastic. hindi dapat ganoon ang debate. sa debate, you have to defend and stand by your side and point without being informal (if it is formal debate) and sarcastic. para lang kayong nagtatalo rito.
mas deserve ni norlie ang best speaker.
josh is one of those enabler of abusive partner and his misogynistic rebuttals never makes sense. he’s an enabler and misogynist bîtch. ciao.
Well said🎉....
ang misogynist nung josh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Josh is the best debater?? ANONG BASIS NILA????
BIASED SILA SOBRAA. Ang mandalas naman na ginagawa ni Josh is sumasabat and drop corny shit.
I totally agree for devorce bill in the Philippines una sa lahat hindi naman para sa maaus na familya yan para yan sa mga Dina pwede mag sama or dina kayang ayusin pa desevere a seconds chance ika nga nila sa mga ayaw sa mga maayos ang family nyu good for them so di nila kailangan pano naman ung mga my gusto or di maayos na pamilya
the “agree” side is the best!!! Norlie nailed it!❤️
Good Josh, SNAP OUT OF IT! BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Easy lang, you can point out your beliefs after an interlocutor is done speaking na and no need to shout.
josh's first argument literally said it who wins LMFAO
The against side said that the children would be greatly affected when their parents got Divorced but, wouldn't there be a more negative effect on the child specially in terms of psychological matter if the children live in a house where there is always fighting?
when Parents got devorce, yes we can't deny the fact that there is a chance that those children will also have a devorce in the future but, if a child is exposed in so much fighting in the house may it be through words, or physical assault, there is also chance that the child will be violent towards other child at school.
Or they can get depressed and commit suicide
Best speaker is miss norly for me
i was expecting na si norlie ang magiging best speaker but it turns out si josh uhmmmmmmm
9:30 very well said!!! Tama naman talaga para may maitawag na pamilya even ang toxic na ng pamilya.
Josh: being so hype with the debate.
Meanwhile:
Me: Calm down boy!
Divorce is depends of the situation, if the situation is not worst or toxic to children then no to divorce. But counteract by that , divorce should be chosen as the last option
Yes to divorce!!
Norlie should be the best speaker, Josh keeps interrupting, very unprof
Pro Divorce did best. Pero marami akong points na gusto kong marinig na hindi ko narinig. Like these:
• Staying in toxic relationships are worse for the children than getting divorced. When children are exposed to abuse in their household, they tend to be abusive to their future relationships as the Anti-Divorce, kung ano ang nakikita ng mga bata ay yun ang iniisip nilang tama. They'll think these acts are fine dahil nahahayaan lang. It could also end up to the children standing up for their abused parent which puts them to greater risk. And hindi mo lang basta maiva-VAWC agad yan. Much better kung i-divorce muna and distance yourself to the abuser before filing VAWC kasi pwedeng magkaroon ng situation na gagawing "hostage" ang mga anak para idismiss ang kaso na yun.
Ang galing ni Norlie
Correct, girl gogogo devorce
Josh team keep on cutting the words of other team, it's disrespectful to watch I can't even hear them properly.
GO SLAY NORIEEEEE
girl' power
I SALUTE NORLIE!
Ang annulment ay para sa may pera.ngayon maglagay dapat ng batas n para sa
mahirap..
NAKOO JOSH NAKAKABWISET
True 😂
May mga relasyon at pagsasama sa buhay mag-asawa na hindi na talaga pwede. Physical, Mental, Emotional at Spiritual ang apektado for both magpartner at sa mga anak nila because of living with disfunctional relationship or family. Even buhay nila nakasalalay lalo na kapag abusive ang partner. My mga nakapaloob nman na criterias at kino-conduct na further investigation kung pweding i-divorce. Ung epekto sa bata ng divorce ay pwedeng matulungan sa pamamagitan ng support system ng magulang at mga kamag-anak at eventually maiintindihan at makaka cope up din sila rather than living the whole family sa isang sitwasyon na magulo, di na kaya pang ayusin pa at ikakapahamak pa nila. So, Yes to divorce.
Medyo nakakainis yung iba sa kanila na sabat nang sabat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH di ko marinig ng maayos yung sinasabi nila at nacu-cut off
Pero okay lang masaya naman panoorin HAHAHAHHAH sana ganto din debate namin bukas
why would you let something more abusive happen to yourself when you know yourself that you have the power to end it?and if you say that the best way to solve it is by bringing it to court and put the abuser to jail?by doing so,you wont fully achieve the freedom you wanted,correct me if I’m wrong but even tho your partner is in jail your marriage is still valid right?which means u can’t get married by someone else
now if we talk about housewives who want to get divorced but isn’t financially capable of doing so?first i think Josh was the one to say this i can’t really tell the exact words but I think what he meant was that how can you sustain and support the life of your children if you’re just a housewife(you can freely correct me if im wrong),so my respond to that is even if youre a just a housewife it doesnt mean that youre not capable of working or make a living to be able to sustain and support your children,next is that if ever youre gonna whose gonna be the one to look after your childrens?well as long as u still have someone to trust then you can entrust(for example;relative,friends) the children to them.
and lastly I would like to ask you guys
Are you guys willing to watch your mom,siblings(if you have some) suffer not just physically but also mentally and emotionally just to keep the so called sanctity of marriage?is this sanctity thing much more important than what youre enduring?are you willing to endure so much pain just to keep the sanctity of your marriage?now lets go take the childs pov
if your parents is always fighting and hurting each other,will you let them get divorce?or will you just keep watching and let them torment each other
Ah basta, gusto yung naka red host. 😄
"1987 po yon"
me: ahh ganon ba? sorry and thank you for the correction. so eto na argument ko.....
hahahahaha
Tanya is the best speaker for me
Norlie is dabest here.
Yes to divorce pra sa kaatusan ng mga naghiwalay..mali term niyo gustong maghihiwalay..ayusin niyo words niyo mga mag asawang matagal ng naghihiwalay maayos na.
32:15 doesn't really answer the question. the question is whether you would still continue a dysfunctional relationship, which involves physical, emotional, and mental abuse. ang sagot ng negative side is you can file a case instead of divorcing your partner. so nasaan ang answer dito? meaning they agree to just continue the relationship even though, yes, makukulong ang partner nila? ibig sabihin may babalikan pa yung partner nila? it's very illogical and contrary sa argument nila about sa sanctity of a marriage.
Cool na cool sana all genius
Josh: "Yan nga ang sabi ng sa study ko!"
Me: Hindi mo yan study bruh
Lol 🤣 di Naman formal debate Yung ginawa when it comes to debate lahat nag iinit pero daapt cinocontrol Yung emotions di naging formal Yung debate nato made nagsasalita Yung sa con sinasagot na agad Yung pro so pano nila maiidefend Yung side nila? hahahahah
Norlie should’ve been the best speaker
nu kaya full name niya?
The topic was good however their way of debating was so informal. Debate is the art of persuasion but not in the way of shouting. Once you shout, your listener or opponent will struggle to process what you say rationally.
33:40 Sabihin nating baliktad naman, paano kung babae naman ang nangaabuso sa relationship? Papaano mo yon dadalhin sa korte? mayroong bang batas na domestic violence against men?
Mas lalong Nkktakot ang magiging ugali ng mga tao s susunod PNG hinirasyon pag k my debursyo n sa pinas una pgiging erisponsabli .at kwalang pag pphalaga ..sa pamilya ..ksi my mas madali ng praan 🫰🏻 tas dina muling png mg kkaruon ng Family reunion...sa pinas..sa future ksi my mga conflict sa nkraan🎉😅