Parrying and Countering the Jab for Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai and MMA
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I learned this in fencing and it translated so beautifully to boxing that it was my signature technique in the gym for awhile.
I tell guys all the time to take a fencing class to work footwork and parries
As a former epeeist, I use my jab as a stop thrust and my right hand as a single tempo counter attack.
But I have crap head movement and hate the clinch distance, lol
That's exactly what I was thinking- I have slanted my style of swordplay to be incredibly focused on this aspect of defense and counter-attacking, because it's so reliable if you have a solid defense. It does make watching you fight more boring, but damn, is it effective.
BOXING IS FENCING PARRY REPOSTE= DEFLECT ATTACK YOU DO THE SAME IN BOXING.
im a fencer and im looking to start boxing and this comment made me feel excited to try this parry stuff lol.
I like how when you're teaching that last thing, it's to a trained fighter but also one who never does that type of move before.
So there's the bit of trying to understand and not being fast with it.
Shows the average person that you're not alone. Even the pros take take to get something down.
As a lefthanded person I would like to point out that this works possibly even better against other handed opponents. It is a true jab then, but it really has a high percentage for me.
Nice to hear!! I am right handed and usually lead with the left. However at times I shift sides in order to set certain things up and this is one of those times.
So in a serie of lets say jabs the first is handled at slightly more distance, moving "backward" by switching stance (left foot move back, right foot is in basicaly the same position), kind of leaving the head almost where it was as a target on purpose to lure in that second jab.
When the second left jab comes the right foot leads and the parry is done with the right hand (so the same side). By doing this it is also possible to adjust the distance when doing the counter (which can also lead into a take down fom the outside for example, or be followed up with a imidiate left).
So basically a stance switch to setting it up like I was left handed 🙂
Bong sau for the counter off what's basically a pak sau and strike! You're all kinds of kung fu today Mike.
Southpaw here. I originally learnt this in kung fu and spam it relentlessly in muay thai. Few people have an answer for it. I even use it offensively to clear the guard. Another neat thing to do with it is use the parry to pull into a roundhouse kick.
As a kung fu nerd, I appreciate you cribbing from our textbook. Good fighting is good fighting.
As a southpaw, like 90% of my sparring is clogging up the jab lane, so any information to improve my parries is greatly appreciated.
Legit Ur a south Paw Ur parry is even better cause u can cross a orthodox easily from that position
as a southpaw this is one of my favorite techniques
i liken the movement to skipping a rock. just a quick bounce
12:33
A yielding parry into prime, in fencing.
"Skipping a rock" + keeping elbow low + vertical fist = Wing Chun concept
My thought exactly
Liked the video. There are lots of cool techniques like the elbow block (often employed by fighters using cross guard like Archie Moore, George Foreman, etc.) in boxing when you explore all the old guards and transitioning from one to the other.
It’s like a 16th note in music. Parry-hit is like the “1-e” of “1-e-an-a” instead of the usual 8th note rythm of block-punch “1-an” 😊
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That's very similar to what my grandfather taught me. Except in the way I was taught to punch into their punch with a defending fist. Start with the fist vertical by the head, then punch forward but lower the fist so it impacts horizontal. It's sort of like a straight punch mizmxed with the arc of a hammer fist but more subtle.
By doing this you impact, catch & deflect their punch with your forearm bone (ulna). Drive your ulna across their forearm like a saw & at the same time opening them up to your counter punch.
Wing Chun Mike ; ) Like the techniques, feel like WC applied in context is where it is properly understood (I’ve done it for 18 years and lean far more towards practical and testing feedback). Interesting stuff.
Yea, the problem with Wing Chun ain't that "it doesn't work in a real fight". The problem is that it wasn't pressure tested and evolved enough, in general, to be legit for real fights.
There are of course some lineages and teachers that have taken this approach though. And, that's a version of WC I'd like to train
I like doing parries. At my first mma gym, I did some sparring with a girl beginner and I only used 1 arm to defend(part of the exercise) and I used a lot of wingchun parries and bon-sao. But as it went on, she kept learning how to get around my 1 hand, and eventually had me using both hands to defend, as well as, my arms were getting tired cuz we did this for a while.
Mike the kung-fu wizard, hitting them one inch and arrow punches, and bong saus, and tigers and bears, oh my!
Been watching this channel for over five years
Filmed this at the perfect time of the day.
Jon jones does the similar thing , elbows you to oblivion. thanks for the tips Mike they are great
i use this with a vertical fist, and is great ¡
There's a technique I learned a long time ago where you perry a strike down with one hand and the same hand comes back up to strike under the chin, I always liked the idea of defending with a hand and then attacking with the same hand when they're not expecting it.
Can you demonstrate/try my weird style of raising my jab arm and blocking/framing the cross with the elbow?
I love the counter to the counter. I've been doing it by accident for a long time but I noticed a couple little things you're doing that I'm gonna try to add
Yessir! I've seen you do this SOOO many times in your videos and even streetbeefs! Finally you're talking about it! LOL
Icy mike is my hero for using the bong sao in a practical way.
Every time Icey Mike accidentally teaches JKD I am filled with joy, haha.
Isnt it the basic principle that anything that works in JKD comes from somewhere else? 😂
@@Jenjakyup, in that case it came from Wing Chun, though there are many, many other martial arts that use similar techniques
@@Jenjak yup! All that clay you're shaping and cutting away has to come from somewhere! We've always treated JKD less as a body of techniques, then a handful of tools and principles you can use as a way to approach learning martial arts in general. But just saying that has probably summoned an angry originalist, haha.
@@philosopherboy I was just messing with you a little bit. There is always that comment "we do that too in JKD" under a technique video. ^^ I just find it funny.
Even if there's truth to it, no disrespect here.
And silat, karate, panantukan and lots more lol
People are way too fixated with styles and names, fighting is fighting
Oh Mike you speak my language brother love it!
I also like to do the same thing with high guard or generali someone who dont tuck his elbow in.
Just push it down and strait it to his face, to open one or 2 more punches after that.
Very nice technique! there is a very small obscure channel (like mine) called Dangerous Waters MMA where the teacher goes through many types of blocking and this is one of then, but you dived in deeper. I remember the guy saying it should feel like skipping rocks. The channel has great excercises for judo combinations, by the way. Also that elbow counter can be found in Heian Sandan, the 3rd heian from Karate, the technique is called Empi Uke,there are many bunkai interpretations for that movement.
Thanks for the video! Great stuff.
Thanks Mike 👍
Those black revgears might be the sweetest gloves I've ever seen brah
A really good counter to this parry is faking that jab halfway and go for a hook instead then a cross the the body. I learned it when my opponents get too repetitive with it. 😁👌
@10:56 As someone who thought they invented this punch, I approve of the name Arrow Punch...ironically Green Arrow is what I'm currently watching on Netflix 😆
Best opening out of every video on the Hard2Hurt channel😆
Them gloves definitely caught my eye 😮
Oh lord, Mike has become a kung fu guy. Next will we see some tai chi? (That'll be quite epic + a wee bit of lol)
Dude I love this video
Hahaha 3:34 I call it the Moose 🫎
Woah. I know Kung Fu.......
Thanks Mike, that is very cool.
Seems like it would be really cool with the Philly Shell. And in Muay Thai you could maybe step in after that chicken wing block since they might be overwhelmed?
Thanks very much, both of you!
Hit a few dudes in today's session with this. Thanks Mike!
Wow such a phenomenal explanation! I love punishing good behaviors when I grapple. That’s a great way to describe it. Just gaslight them!
I feel like you could do some sort of elbow lock to counter the counter.
7:20 You've pranked her with that before, haven't you?
I've noticed most parry drill videos have them counter after the parry I've been wondering why since it's not really much harder to parry and counter at the same time
12:26 Wing Chun defense, not boxing, I think.
Could you do a flicker jab off the parry?
When your hands are on your eyebrows defending what do/how do you defend a punch to your solar plexus?
I love this. Saw it on human weapon and started spamming it. Never seen the counter though that's awesome.
Mike do you have a video explaining the false lead?
Nice.😮
This reminds me of some panantukan moves. What is your take on panantukan as a useful martial art for street fighting?
Parrying is underutilized and fun to do
What a sneaky Wing Chun video
My only gestion is will a jab cross with head movement to the left (what I almost always do) defeat this? Thx!
Very cool. Thank you
I'm about to turn 48 years old, and I'm 220lbs, this is my go-to move against my fellow students who are in their twenties and much "leaner" therefore much faster than me lol I land all the time lol I have actually developed a similar technique for when I check a kick I can launch a snap kick right into their side without putting my foot down which would be the Kik equivalent of this move.
Also 48, also my favourite to punish younger folks... :)
Ok, now aikido goes on :) ;)
Unrelated to the video, I had a question:
What do you think of Master Wongs lunging elbow that shows up in almost every one of his videos?
Is this MMA legal? Master Wong is generally geared toward bare knuckle, self defense situations. Is that worth doing in the ring?
I personally think even if it is legal the assumed level of pressure and engagement is a lot higher in a self defense situation; whereas competition is a lot more in-and-out.
How does that change the efficacy of the move in your opinion?
Edit: Now that I'm finishing the video I shouldn't even say unrelated. Crazy that my question happened to work with the lesson!
Love a good bong sao. When I learned it in JKD it was kinda silly doing it on the practice dummy. But then I saw some pro do it in MMA and I was like... "oh shit.... it's a lot less silly when you block then punish a real person"
This is so cool.
Wow wing chun technique
Good teaching points still ( Gyjo)
Just came here to say, we miss Jay. Love the content still. Just miss watching you punch him.
Parrying does work on weapons, but fists?
Entered the giveaway. Love my s5 all rounders and want to try some more revgear stuff. also, does this technique change in any way with mma gloves?
Boxing gloves make you do hsing I punches!
That defense is a Wing Chun move.
If I win the gear giveaway can I come spar with y’all? I’m not far… Florida!
Bong Sao - chicken wing in Wing Chun
Another valid option if you know this person is gonna do what most street fighters do and just try to run at you, throwing windmill punches, is to just bounce backwards off of your front foot when they go to counter you, or really, if they do anything that compromises your control over the space. Then you're in a good position to throw your own counter-cross if they come at you like an idiot.
Of course, someone who would just do that isn't super likely to know how to deprive you of control of the pocket to begin with, so maybe that's not super important LOL
but i would just go to the body then at that case plus idk if this would work in the streets
After the Bong Sau, you are effectively in the Philly shell stance. I'd imagine another way would be not getting parried in the first place, so using a body jab, long uppercut, teep, shoot for double-leg, etc. instead of jab to the chin.
What color is Mike's beard 🤔
Yes
Man your the best love all your content and all of your collab with others. Have you ever done a video on 52 blocks or jailhouse rock
This show boxing is not base of reality but kung fu is.
i’m sorry i was payin attention but i could not take my eye off that enchantress u had with u 😭
Good coach
throw in a southpaw and you'll have a jab feast 😉😉
ooof.. that bon sau...
Dustin Poirier - kung fu master
Bong sau!
Parry the Platypus
Mike would you be willing to join the Buddies over Bullies program that Tom Deblass started? Take a bullied kid in for training paid for by donations.
My wasting time practising Wing Chun ass feels mildly validated, I have names for literally all those techniques.
Listen to this guy speaking like he doesn't secretly like the nerdy karate nuggets of knowledge that karate nerd drops . 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
who are you training for grannie and girls? punch them the hardest right in the face, right?... or are you fighting big burly guys? men?
Mike were you in Tyler, Tx yesterday? If not a guy at a local martial arts gym is doing a killer impression of you.
Mike is building his army of clones.
I wanted to know the difference without gloves and was scared to ask and sound like a training dodger or “in the streets” guy and then you covered it. Love you two together. Great video.
Anyone else shadow boxing in their bedroom while watching this trying to learn it? Lmao
This right here is something I have never been taught properly but having a sword fighting background comes in natural through the use of somewhat similar setting up to counter stuff. Especially the sword and shield combo has taught me a lot of this. Yes, the shield is an assault weapon, not a defensive item. Its defensive item that packs a mean punch.
For all your striking instruction videos, You should really also show how to do it/what it'd look like for a short person versus a tall person with LONG reach.
I saw the title and as I was opening this video, I thought "no one gets a free swing" and then it was the first line of the video. Awesome.
Love all the kung fu nerd-ery in this video!
I like the shovel hook to just under the ribs after the parry (in wing chun they do it with a low palm strike). I also like stepping into an elbow (over or under the opponent's arm) with the parrying side, almost like a check hook.
If you're deep enough already, you can also throw that arrow punch as a spearing elbow and its nasty. (That's another bit of kung fu nerd-ery.)
Since you brought up bong sau...I'll also add that in wing chun, you often try to punch such that the line your punch travels is also effectively a parry. That's one of the reasons the arms on the wooden dummy are spaced the way they're spaced. You see it in all the pretty wing chun demos when the counter strikes scrapes over the forearm/elbow of the incoming punch.
I love the parry and punish! I do it all the time. I'ma work that bong Sao defense now too
Intercepting cross/jab, swivel jab, and elbow parry. Quite a lot of advanced stuffs packed into fourteen minutes.
@12:55 I practice this Jab Counter all the time on the Heavy Bag, but never had a Counter for it. Thank you very much Good Sir 🙏
Ayyy that's the same principle of the elbow block on the philly shell. I was always taught that same defense if your opponent was trying to counter you off your jab. Really cool to see the Philly shell's kung fu ancestry explained.
The savate guys I trained with in France caught me, then taught me this down parry to same hand counter. Except, we parried and countered back with the jab. Both definitely work, and it sucks getting hit with it.
Another banger
Very interesting!!
A style I've trained make use of a very similar move, at times from a near identical stance (even with the pinkies out). However it is mostly done with the other foot leading (so same foot as arm) and then closing in a bit with that leading foot when counter to adjust the dibstance and "umph". The style also train with swords and many of the movemets are basically the same, and yes this move is used with swords also. So it was very interesting to see in the comments that both classical fencing and sword and shield (HEMA?), both being single handed weapons, use this as well when the sword my style use is primarly two handed.
Keep up the good work!
HEMA means historical European martial arts, so yeah sword and shield fits. It covers pretty much any European weapon style (quarterstaff, longsword, greatsword, messer, rapier, etc)