Mechanical all the way. Great product, great video. As a long time professional bike mechanic, world tourer and 15 year bike courier veteran, it boggles my mind how many new products are just basically 6 months away from being garbage. I'm so happy when I see new products that will stand the test of time and can be repaired, rebuilt and bypass proprietary compatibility issues.
Compared to what though? If we are talking about shifters - and this is about one, then actually no. I mean yes, this looks sturdy and like it could up the test of time. But then most shifters do. Shifters almost never break, and i'm talking about the more "complex" indexed shifters. They usually work years and decades without taking any care. If they "break" they are usually just gunked up and are easily fixed with some break cleaner. I'm not convinced. It's 150$ for a single shifter. I can get a "new" used bike in riding condition for that - shifters included. This thing is expansive compared to brifters (and you still need two break arms and of coure, with a front derailour, two of those shifters) and compared to flat bar shifters, yikes. Trust me, i'm absolutely against planned obscolescence. It's kreeping into every single aspect of life, I'm sick and tired of companies making their shit break early and difficult/impossible to fix. But pick a reasonable target. Apple, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Audi, BMW, Tesla, John Deer, Samsung, etc. Countless brands and products to tear apart about how anti consumer, anti repairable they are. Indexed Shifters, that often last decades (!) without any care and/or maintainance are not one of them.
I am old enough to remember the days of friction shifting and how easy it was to bodge a bike together out of whatever was lying around. The days of indexed shifting pretty much put paid to that until now. Thank you Russ.
best used for aero bars (the aero bars will need to be grinded or reamed to fit) can also use it if you want to simply run mtb cassette and hubs without changing out to a oddball road hub and road cassette.
I really like the idea of mixing components until my bike fits my needs exactly. I've spent many hours on the milling machine making some of the individual parts and I believe this individuality will last much longer than any shelving components that the major manufacturers supply. I really appreciate your channel because it makes one think about the real spirit of bicycle technology ;-)
Absolutely killing it, Russ. I like things that give me options. I rather pay up a bit to not be backed into a compatibility corner down the road. Buy once, cry once.
YES! Can't wait to order a set. I use Woodchipper bars on my Fargo so there is absolutely no danger of knee shifting. Congrats, Russ. Hopefully you and the channel benefit from this.
The longer lever and D ring seem like 2 real improvements that people would appreciate every ride, hopefully this industry niche of practical older school engineering is viable enough for at least some companies to keep making stuff like this!
Sun Race also makes friction shifters, which I have successfully mounted near my hoods, where they are easy to reach. Very cheap, and it never needs adjusting, because you always micro-adjust as you ride. Takes a learning period to accurately shift consistently, but maintenance costs are near zero, and I have learned to shift up and down, climbing or sprinting, smoothly. I mount them near the hoods, rather than on the bar ends, so I don't bang them with my knees while I pedal aggressively.
My uno will arrive tomorrow. This is best solution to problem of shifting for me and will hopefully last a lifetime. I hope it remains in production for long time. Thank you sir.
Love this shifter, have been using it for several weeks after seeing your initial review. I have it paired with a tripe front derailer and a mountain rear cassette. Thank you.
Been using this for a couple weeks now. Super great product. Finally giving in and adding gears to my bike but haven't committed to a wheelset/cassette yet so this will be future proof for my purposes.
I love it. I'm using it for a Tiagra 11-to-ten-speed derailleur; I may never need to mount different mech's ever again (I got an old Silver Shifter for the double on the front). I had to get used to a new lever, but that wasn't tough... I guess I'm turning into one of those bicycle weirdos. Russ, thanks to you and Jim at Merry. I'm still not at Party Pace, but this is the absolute BOMB!
It absolutely blows my mind that this product didn't already exist. Like, are there *any* bike mechanics/hobbyists who swap drivetrain components frequently who have been pleased with the compatibility of parts in the world? Huge props for making it happen.
I don't know - 10sp Shimano bar-end shifters in friction mode shift 11sp fine in my experience. I'd think they'd shift 12sp also. I don't Think they make them new anymore, but you can still find them in good used condition. You can also attach the derailleur cable at the derailleur end of things so that it moves the derailleur a little more, changing the ratio. I wonder if that would be enough to make any old bar-end shifter move an 11/12sp derailleur fine. The shifter in the vid seems like a really nice shifter, though.
You don’t need to swap components if you just use a different bike each time. Swapping parts is such as waste of time; isn’t it faster to just buy a new bike each time you need to test something/need something different?
It was a staple product for many decades. Mostly used for other than road bikes for racing. I found them preferable to down tube levers on my 60 cm road bike because my knee over lapped with down tube levers. That being said they are still somewhat awkward. When I finally got a set integrated brake/shift levers I personally will never go back. As far as planned obsolescence goes I'm still using ultegra 8s STI lever with a triple on my Zurich . An XTR short cage rapid rise and Deore XT front. Never misses a shift no matter how hard I'm pedaling that would be the XTR. Front shift I do let up a bit. Cog set 13 - 26 and 30,42 53 chain rings It all worked well here in hilly wisconsin so I never changed it.
Well done Russ, congrats all 'round to you, Merry & Soma. Fond memories of my Suntour ratcheting bar-end shifters and affordable mechanical systems. As much as I love the convenience & added safety factor of brifter systems, I have always cursed indexing, its fiddly factor, and the hydraulic or die/planned obsolescence of ShRamano's tech today.
When the "CUES" movement becomes ubiquitous I'll need one. Currently running 8 sp on all the bikes so even a reversed front bar con shifter works on the rear.
These are IRD but also recommend the Tektro SSL. Tektros have the best lever feel IMO in the current cable brake only alternatives. Very similar to GRX.
A splendid job Russ taking a concept to reality and bucking the trends. Its not only the product but example you make on getting things done. Great job explaining and demonstrating the salient points of using this shifter. I recently built up my old Trek with brifters and a cassette then instinctively lowered my right hand to the bar end today. Im going to look at buying this bar end.
My 1972 Fuji Finest came with the Suntour ratcheting downtube shifters. I upgraded the derailleurs to Suntour Cyclone, but kept the heavy ratcheting shifters since they were so much nicer to use than the flyweight Cyclone ones. I still have the shifters, but one of the ratchets broke so they can't be used anymore. The ratcheting levers are really nice to use no matter how many gears you have in the back (or front!)
A few years after I bought my 1973 Fuji Finest, I upgraded to SunTour bar end shifters. Same mechanism, just a different location! They still work like a charm!
I was using barend shifters and was the last guy on my team to move to lever shifters... a million years ago. That bar ends are being produced and are therefore viable, makes me happy. Imagine being able to tell what gear you're in by feeling where the lever is. Love it!
Its good to see people shunning the digital age with well made analogue components. Im proud to still be using my 8 speed XT shifters bought in 1998! I love the 'snick snick' action of them, and they will most probably outlive me! Well done Russ.
Thank you so much for teaching us how good the good old analogue non indexed shifter works. Some time ago I build my first 1x11 with Shimano components. Riding a while with SL-M5100 adapted to my drop bars robbing me grip space on the upper handlebar, so I spent some € on Microshift barendshifters. Suddenly I had lots of space to change handpositions and since a few weeks I turned the shifters from indexed to friction. It took a few kilomters to get the right feeling for the shifting process, but know I'm pretty convinced and knowing that compatibility has no borders is really relaxing 😊
Thank you Merry Sales. I am in my 70's and use bar ends almost exclusively on my numerous bikes. Mindless exacting shifting. The sun tour rachets if cared for and kept clean will last many years if not DECADES. Thanks again Merry Sales
I love this new shifter! I’m currently running Rivendell Silver 2 shifters on my bar ends with a 2 X 9 setup. When I build a new bike with disc brakes, I can’t wait to get one of these to put on it!
I've just ditched Gevenalle on my Gravel bike to join the masses with a Shimano STI lever. But am still using friction on my winter road bike. What might be really interesting with this is seeing how well you can get Shimano/SRAM derailleurs to play with that Ekar cassette. Or better yet just how hacky you can get with a cassette? Bodge sprockets from different brands/spacings together? Could you cobble together a 13 speed HG cassette from miscellaneous parts and slimmed down spacers, would you still be able to hit every gear? So many possibilities...
Kudos for the advice on the loctite. I was slightly hating on it since it was slipping and I had never experienced that with my gen 1 and gen 2 silver shifters. Loctite took care of it right away.
Very cool that you're working on this. I am confused about ratcheting vs index shifters. Index is obviously 1 click per gear, is ratcheting like micro indexes? It's not like a ratchet wrench, where there's only tension in one direction, right?
The idea, as best as I can describe it, is that the ratcheting mechanism allows you to not have any friction when pulling against the derailleur spring. This way, you can set the shifter's tension to hold your gear without slipping, while not being stiff when pulling against the derailleur when shifting to a larger cog on the cassette. Once you use one on a bike, it makes perfect sense. They're so much easier than friction without the ratcheting mechanism.
That’s not expensive. I mean: it costs a lot less than a couple of SORA brifters and it shifts everything that pulls cable. I think it deserves to be bought just for what it represents.
Just thought I’d share this. I had a 1983(or 80?) Nash at road bike for roughly ten years when I was growing up. I don’t ever recall having to tighten my down tube shifters….maybe I did once or twice at the most.
I've been using the very similar bar ends "pass-vitesse" in the 70s as an alternative to the downtube shifters. By then it had been already outdated for road races, but still used by cyclocross racers. My idea was a quicker shifting during my sprints, but less precise I must admit. So after a couple of seasons i mounted back some downtube shifters. Main difference, those were not priced like luxury things nor a game changer innovation.
Reminds me of the Campag HBC (handlebar control levers) of the 1960s-1980s that I preferred to down-tube levers. As used by the great Rik van Looy and some of his team-mates, but they were very much in the minority. Most people thought they lacked sensitivity, and one two British riders only had one, to control the front changer. They coped well enough with five- and six-speed, but when more cogs became fashionable Campag introduced a more cumbersome design that I didn't like.
I'm very interested in friction shifters and plan to try them. One question tough - at least one particular supplier sells modern friction shifters marked for 9, 10, 11 and 12 speed separately. If a friction shifter does not have indexing - what is different between these shifters? the length of cable pull with a full stroke?
More power to your arm Russ and yes, you are an asset but the question must surely be asked, will this shifter operate for 14, 15, 16 plus speeds because more must be better.
So great to see it working even with the Ekar 13s, impressive!!! Its price is fair, seeing the costs of a spare STI, and even the upper midrange tiers going electronic, or what you are willing to pay for a bone-matching saddle instead of a 40bucks-OEM. Given all its benefits, esp. not having to worry about indexing during long rides, my main concern is its functionality in the case of a crash, when set up as a bar end shifter. How protected is it e.g. to continue an audax? Are there any inner mechanics to worry about? The ratchet mechanism? Or maybe is just a spare lever to pack, like a shift cable? I guess that simply mounted as a thumbie somewhere at the stem or handlebar would solve that, but the bar-end position is neater, looks to be both more ergonomic and offer the largest cable radius options for minimal friction behind a handlebar-bag. ( Lowest friction and best crash protection is probably getting used again to down tube mounts ;P ) Would there be a difference which position the lever is in, in case of ground contact, e.g. is the lever more vulnerable when vertical in the small cogs? Other way around, if in the largest cog/lever horizontal and the drop barends would hit the toptube? In the "best" worst case scenario it might simply be pushed down to harder gears, but again I'm thinking about the mechanics and the lever itself. And I cannot imagine it being comfortable/ergonomic to mounti it turned inwards, i.e. the lever rotated a bit to the frame, away from a possible ground impact.
This is great. I’m sure you have other ideas to prototype but I can think of two bikes I have where this might work well. Earlier today I was fiddling with a 37 year old Deore XT Deerhead SL-M700 Thumb Shifter and it still works just fine. Your product I’m sure will be useful in just as many years.
This is great, you've really opened my eyes to alternatives recently and having experienced a breakdown in the ratcheting system for my Sensah Empire Pro 2x12 groupset, I want to get some friction-shifters. I want to get this but saw it's sold-out on the website. Are there any alternatives you would suggest with enough cable-pull for a 12-speed system? I'm based in the UK too. I'd like a left and right-shifter. So far, I've seen the Microshift BS-M12-R but that's only a single friction-shifter.
Not sure I'm the demographic for this, for this most part, but also find it to be cool. If the right bike came along (a classic bike build especially), this would be something I'd think about for sure. Some old 2x8 or 2x9 is honestly some of my favorite gearing to cruise around on and just enjoy the ride.
The right demographic is the person tired of compatibility issues, values backwards compatibility, wants the most bombproof shifter and doesn’t want to charge their bike.
Could you use this to shift a triple chainring on the front? If so, I'd buy two. I'm not too pleased with how Microshift works with my front derailleur.
Russ, I bought this the day you announced it, then returned it next day. I’m running SRAM 12-SPD 10-50, guessing that the 11-spd demo in your 1st vid would leave shifting room aplenty in my lowest (12th) gear. Here’s what I found. 1) There was no range improvement over my MicroShifter on my 1x12 setup. Both shifter handles top out with nary a millimeter to spare in top gear, indicating that both pulley diameters are either equivalent or close to it. 2) The expanders were too small for my Richey steerer tube, necessitating a swap with my MS expanders. No other expander choice was offered on the order page. 3) The pulley cable channel was galled and quite rough, which might degrade the cable through use.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I saw. I’d hoped it would improve shifting range and leverage versus MS on my 1x12. I’m sure it would be great on 11spd, however. Your channel is terrific.
A “soft” material (aluminum) cannot damage a harder one (steel cable). Swathes of top tube mounted or quill stem mounted shifters activating 3 cogs flywheels were made, the other century, 20th, using antiquated casting technology by Simplex, Huret and precursors which channels never were machined or polished. It never resulted in cable damage. That’s steel on steel rubbing which damages a cable.
I always rode with a friction shifter. I really have missed them. Adjusting 12 speed on the go is not easy. These make it unnecessary. I've got to get one. They're not easy to get in Australia. Thanks for the video.
Friction Shifters, huh. Yeh - I had those on the Schwinn Continentals I had forty years ago. I guess I like the idea. Basic mechanical engineering, It seems like they could sell these with various sized pulleys for the unit to change the amount of cable is pulled as you rotate the lever. However, in these times, I think few people tinker like they used to. A hundred fifty bucks seems high to me, but so does everything else these days. If demand for such a product exists, this is something the lone inventor in their garage could improve on and sell over the internet. Thanks for the review.
Fabulous! Now we just need to get Jim and gang to make a new bar end pod that is narrower in diameter to work with the newer aluminum albatross bar (in 31.8 bar clamp) and many of the newer upright bars by velo orange and others.
hahaha, that rough channel is betta not to be smooth, that added friction help you to widen the grappling surface. that way it would be harder to break the tip.
I went from Shimano 9 speed brifters to friction about 15 years ago (after replacing brifters every few years when they wore out) I will never go back.
Bought an "11 speed" bar end from microshift for my sram 11 speed. Never got it to shift correctly, smoothly, and confidently. Definitely will appreciate this
Excellent. Super Retro in that it is old school but better that the stuff we had in the 20th century. This could go on my early nineties Cannondale touring bike when I refurbish next winter 👍
As of my post, this is sold out. Will it be restocked? This would be a solution for folks who are going for 105 12speed mechanical RD(assuming enough pull) on TT bikes, as Microshift havent release road solution yet. /Should consider black ver too
Thanks for your content! Is this different then the Velo-Orange Dia-Compe 11speed ratchet? Or, is it the first time it’s been on a pod? I’ve had the 11speed DT on one of my set ups and love it but wanted to do barends at some point.
This popped up on my page 2 weeks too late 😅 ...I just converted to flat bars and I think I'm going to just throw a thumb shifter on (instead of my current frame shifter) ...but good to know it exists! I was looking for one a few weeks ago
I think you mentioned it in the video, but just to check, is there a downtube version of this shifter? I don't see one on the Soma Fab shop site. Thanks for working to get this item into production! I switched to friction shifting a few years ago, but I still don't care for the non-ratcheting feel of the microshift.
Hello Russ. I recently got these in thumbies but was wondering could I run a Shimano grx810 with a 9 speed cassette using these or would I need to use a 9 speed derailleur? Your passion and knowledge is amazing to watch. Thank you.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thank you for the quick reply. Yea I got the newer 11 speed thumbie. So this 11 speed derailure should work across a 9 speed cassette awesome. Thank you for the help highly appreciate it.
Hey Russ. I'm dead keen on getting a set of the flat bar thumbies version, but the blurb online at a bike shop here in the UK says.. "Will not work with SRAM mechs or Shimano Dyna-Sys, Shimano Shadow RD, Microshift Advent X. (We assume, as we haven't tried yet.)" Any comments on that?
Sweet dude... That's exactly what I was hoping/expecting to hear.... Thank you so much. Today was the first day of UK winter mud for me this year and my rear indexing went out of whack right away....
Use an accessory mount to paralel mount a 22mm (normal handlebar diameter) tube paralel below the normal bars. By a cheap carbon tube of ebay for that, its plenty stiff enough. It should be almost as wide as the bars. You can now mount barend shifters at the end of that bar and also have a bumper for your handlebar bag. It too works for using normal Mtb brakes on super flared drop bars. Just mount normally as if you have a second handlebar below the drop bar. I use this on my Surly Cornerbar and it keeps all the wires from doing ugly loops. In combination with Magura 90° Brakeline mounts it looks very dope.
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Mechanical all the way. Great product, great video.
As a long time professional bike mechanic, world tourer and 15 year bike courier veteran, it boggles my mind how many new products are just basically 6 months away from being garbage. I'm so happy when I see new products that will stand the test of time and can be repaired, rebuilt and bypass proprietary compatibility issues.
Could this also be used to shift a triple up front on a touring bike?
@@donhuber9131 yes but it’s completely overkill. Just get the Rivendell Silver shifter for that.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I will! Thank you!
Compared to what though? If we are talking about shifters - and this is about one, then actually no. I mean yes, this looks sturdy and like it could up the test of time. But then most shifters do. Shifters almost never break, and i'm talking about the more "complex" indexed shifters. They usually work years and decades without taking any care. If they "break" they are usually just gunked up and are easily fixed with some break cleaner.
I'm not convinced. It's 150$ for a single shifter. I can get a "new" used bike in riding condition for that - shifters included. This thing is expansive compared to brifters (and you still need two break arms and of coure, with a front derailour, two of those shifters) and compared to flat bar shifters, yikes.
Trust me, i'm absolutely against planned obscolescence. It's kreeping into every single aspect of life, I'm sick and tired of companies making their shit break early and difficult/impossible to fix. But pick a reasonable target. Apple, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Audi, BMW, Tesla, John Deer, Samsung, etc. Countless brands and products to tear apart about how anti consumer, anti repairable they are. Indexed Shifters, that often last decades (!) without any care and/or maintainance are not one of them.
@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 literally broke an apex trigger shifter in 3 days and immediately replaced it with a friction thumbie.
this isn't for me and the riding I do, but I love that this exists and all the thought and passion that went into it
Bingo!
Agree with you though I've used Shimano bar ends for years. This new product is quite appealing though as it also comes in a thumbie iteration.
I am old enough to remember the days of friction shifting and how easy it was to bodge a bike together out of whatever was lying around. The days of indexed shifting pretty much put paid to that until now.
Thank you Russ.
You're an asset to the cycling community Russ 🤘
Never tried friction shifting in my life but I can definately see that this is the product biking industry has always needed. Well done.
best used for aero bars (the aero bars will need to be grinded or reamed to fit)
can also use it if you want to simply run mtb cassette and hubs without changing out to a oddball road hub and road cassette.
I really like the idea of mixing components until my bike fits my needs exactly. I've spent many hours on the milling machine making some of the individual parts and I believe this individuality will last much longer than any shelving components that the major manufacturers supply.
I really appreciate your channel because it makes one think about the real spirit of bicycle technology ;-)
Recently I bought my first 80s bike with friction shifters. I love the mechanical feedback of friction shifting. I really appreciate this!
Absolutely killing it, Russ. I like things that give me options. I rather pay up a bit to not be backed into a compatibility corner down the road. Buy once, cry once.
YES! Can't wait to order a set. I use Woodchipper bars on my Fargo so there is absolutely no danger of knee shifting. Congrats, Russ. Hopefully you and the channel benefit from this.
The longer lever and D ring seem like 2 real improvements that people would appreciate every ride, hopefully this industry niche of practical older school engineering is viable enough for at least some companies to keep making stuff like this!
This is why I enjoy watching this channel, all of the mechanical tinkering.
Sun Race also makes friction shifters, which I have successfully mounted near my hoods, where they are easy to reach. Very cheap, and it never needs adjusting, because you always micro-adjust as you ride. Takes a learning period to accurately shift consistently, but maintenance costs are near zero, and I have learned to shift up and down, climbing or sprinting, smoothly. I mount them near the hoods, rather than on the bar ends, so I don't bang them with my knees while I pedal aggressively.
My uno will arrive tomorrow. This is best solution to problem of shifting for me and will hopefully last a lifetime. I hope it remains in production for long time. Thank you sir.
Love this shifter, have been using it for several weeks after seeing your initial review. I have it paired with a tripe front derailer and a mountain rear cassette. Thank you.
Can you tell us more about your setup?
Been using this for a couple weeks now. Super great product. Finally giving in and adding gears to my bike but haven't committed to a wheelset/cassette yet so this will be future proof for my purposes.
Highly recommend this type of thing if you change your bike around a lot. It'll save you lots of money in the long run.
Nice comparison to microshift. I understand that market forces are with racing-so I appreciate the people at Soma and everyone else involved.
Good on you for seeing and filling a need!
I love it. I'm using it for a Tiagra 11-to-ten-speed derailleur; I may never need to mount different mech's ever again (I got an old Silver Shifter for the double on the front). I had to get used to a new lever, but that wasn't tough... I guess I'm turning into one of those bicycle weirdos. Russ, thanks to you and Jim at Merry. I'm still not at Party Pace, but this is the absolute BOMB!
Bravo Russ! Offering products that last over time should be a priority. I appreciate your mentality.
I only use friction shifting. It just works!
It absolutely blows my mind that this product didn't already exist. Like, are there *any* bike mechanics/hobbyists who swap drivetrain components frequently who have been pleased with the compatibility of parts in the world?
Huge props for making it happen.
I don't know - 10sp Shimano bar-end shifters in friction mode shift 11sp fine in my experience. I'd think they'd shift 12sp also. I don't Think they make them new anymore, but you can still find them in good used condition. You can also attach the derailleur cable at the derailleur end of things so that it moves the derailleur a little more, changing the ratio. I wonder if that would be enough to make any old bar-end shifter move an 11/12sp derailleur fine. The shifter in the vid seems like a really nice shifter, though.
You don’t need to swap components if you just use a different bike each time.
Swapping parts is such as waste of time; isn’t it faster to just buy a new bike each time you need to test something/need something different?
@@slowcyclist4324 yeah just buy a new bike every time, that's insane
It was a staple product for many decades. Mostly used for other than road bikes for racing. I found them preferable to down tube levers on my 60 cm road bike because my knee over lapped with down tube levers. That being said they are still somewhat awkward. When I finally got a set integrated brake/shift levers I personally will never go back. As far as planned obsolescence goes I'm still using ultegra 8s STI lever with a triple on my Zurich . An XTR short cage rapid rise and Deore XT front. Never misses a shift no matter how hard I'm pedaling that would be the XTR. Front shift I do let up a bit. Cog set 13 - 26 and 30,42 53 chain rings It all worked well here in hilly wisconsin so I never changed it.
Well done Russ, congrats all 'round to you, Merry & Soma. Fond memories of my Suntour ratcheting bar-end shifters and affordable mechanical systems. As much as I love the convenience & added safety factor of brifter systems, I have always cursed indexing, its fiddly factor, and the hydraulic or die/planned obsolescence of ShRamano's tech today.
When the "CUES" movement becomes ubiquitous I'll need one. Currently running 8 sp on all the bikes so even a reversed front bar con shifter works on the rear.
Ordered one today, can't wait to try it! Thank you for helping something like this get to the market.
What brake levers are those? My UNO arrives tomorrow and I'm going to need some levers for mechanical disc only. Thanks!
These are IRD but also recommend the Tektro SSL. Tektros have the best lever feel IMO in the current cable brake only alternatives. Very similar to GRX.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thank you so much!
A splendid job Russ taking a concept to reality and bucking the trends. Its not only the product but example you make on getting things done.
Great job explaining and demonstrating the salient points of using this shifter. I recently built up my old Trek with brifters and a cassette then instinctively lowered my right hand to the bar end today. Im going to look at buying this bar end.
To be able to friction shift a 13. That is so cool. Old school meets new school
My 1972 Fuji Finest came with the Suntour ratcheting downtube shifters. I upgraded the derailleurs to Suntour Cyclone, but kept the heavy ratcheting shifters since they were so much nicer to use than the flyweight Cyclone ones. I still have the shifters, but one of the ratchets broke so they can't be used anymore. The ratcheting levers are really nice to use no matter how many gears you have in the back (or front!)
A few years after I bought my 1973 Fuji Finest, I upgraded to SunTour bar end shifters. Same mechanism, just a different location! They still work like a charm!
I was using barend shifters and was the last guy on my team to move to lever shifters... a million years ago. That bar ends are being produced and are therefore viable, makes me happy. Imagine being able to tell what gear you're in by feeling where the lever is. Love it!
Its good to see people shunning the digital age with well made analogue components.
Im proud to still be using my 8 speed XT shifters bought in 1998! I love the 'snick snick' action of them, and they will most probably outlive me! Well done Russ.
Thank you so much for teaching us how good the good old analogue non indexed shifter works. Some time ago I build my first 1x11 with Shimano components. Riding a while with SL-M5100 adapted to my drop bars robbing me grip space on the upper handlebar, so I spent some € on Microshift barendshifters.
Suddenly I had lots of space to change handpositions and since a few weeks I turned the shifters from indexed to friction.
It took a few kilomters to get the right feeling for the shifting process, but know I'm pretty convinced and knowing that compatibility has no borders is really relaxing 😊
Thank you Merry Sales. I am in my 70's and use bar ends almost exclusively on my numerous bikes. Mindless exacting shifting. The sun tour rachets if cared for and kept clean will last many years if not DECADES. Thanks again Merry Sales
I love this new shifter! I’m currently running Rivendell Silver 2 shifters on my bar ends with a 2 X 9 setup. When I build a new bike with disc brakes, I can’t wait to get one of these to put on it!
Opening up so many derailleur options!! More money than microshift? Yes. Less money than buying umpteen brifters? Very much yes.
This is one of those things that I don't actually need but I love that it exists.
I've just ditched Gevenalle on my Gravel bike to join the masses with a Shimano STI lever. But am still using friction on my winter road bike.
What might be really interesting with this is seeing how well you can get Shimano/SRAM derailleurs to play with that Ekar cassette.
Or better yet just how hacky you can get with a cassette? Bodge sprockets from different brands/spacings together? Could you cobble together a 13 speed HG cassette from miscellaneous parts and slimmed down spacers, would you still be able to hit every gear?
So many possibilities...
Kudos for the advice on the loctite. I was slightly hating on it since it was slipping and I had never experienced that with my gen 1 and gen 2 silver shifters. Loctite took care of it right away.
I had requested that they came pre-loctited from the factory, but obvs that didn't happen. Simple fix at least.
The wait is over hooray!
this rocks! Agreed about the incompatibility issues and non-mechanical offerings! thanks for posting!
Will this fit on a thumb mount? The current ene thumb shifters are 11 sp if I remember correctly so not sure they are the same.
Very cool that you're working on this. I am confused about ratcheting vs index shifters. Index is obviously 1 click per gear, is ratcheting like micro indexes? It's not like a ratchet wrench, where there's only tension in one direction, right?
Yes. You can view it as microindexing.
The idea, as best as I can describe it, is that the ratcheting mechanism allows you to not have any friction when pulling against the derailleur spring. This way, you can set the shifter's tension to hold your gear without slipping, while not being stiff when pulling against the derailleur when shifting to a larger cog on the cassette. Once you use one on a bike, it makes perfect sense. They're so much easier than friction without the ratcheting mechanism.
That’s not expensive.
I mean: it costs a lot less than a couple of SORA brifters and it shifts everything that pulls cable.
I think it deserves to be bought just for what it represents.
Not in my country it doesn't .
Something tells me I should upgrade from my Regina Oro 13-17 freewheel.. love the shifters!
I adore your channel; thank you for what you do for the cycling community. 💜🤘🤙
Bought some from velo orange a few years ago and use it with a long cage mtb rear mech 48t cassette and 46-30 double chain ring. It’s great.
I'm with this aaaalllll the way! Magnificent! Brilliant!
I'm getting some real Spinal Tap vibes 😁
Just thought I’d share this. I had a 1983(or 80?) Nash at road bike for roughly ten years when I was growing up. I don’t ever recall having to tighten my down tube shifters….maybe I did once or twice at the most.
I've been using the very similar bar ends "pass-vitesse" in the 70s as an alternative to the downtube shifters.
By then it had been already outdated for road races, but still used by cyclocross racers.
My idea was a quicker shifting during my sprints, but less precise I must admit. So after a couple of seasons i mounted back some downtube shifters.
Main difference, those were not priced like luxury things nor a game changer innovation.
Any chance a pair of these, might work with 14speed rohloff hub??? 😊
No.
This video could really use an introduction - what are we talking about, what issues are we trying to address, and who is behind the project?
I’ve talked about this shifter like 30 times over the course of the year.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Fair enough. I'm a new viewer, so I'm not caught up on all the background
Reminds me of the Campag HBC (handlebar control levers) of the 1960s-1980s that I preferred to down-tube levers. As used by the great Rik van Looy and some of his team-mates, but they were very much in the minority. Most people thought they lacked sensitivity, and one two British riders only had one, to control the front changer. They coped well enough with five- and six-speed, but when more cogs became fashionable Campag introduced a more cumbersome design that I didn't like.
I like to run the shift cable all the way under the bar tape to the center. Congratulations on bringing a new bicycle product to market.
I'm very interested in friction shifters and plan to try them. One question tough - at least one particular supplier sells modern friction shifters marked for 9, 10, 11 and 12 speed separately. If a friction shifter does not have indexing - what is different between these shifters? the length of cable pull with a full stroke?
Eight is great, nine is fine. Love that you and merry sales developed this for those who are running 1x and need all them gears in the back end
if you want post mount you can use ether the wolf tooth post to flat adapter or just use level calipers
More power to your arm Russ and yes, you are an asset but the question must surely be asked, will this shifter operate for 14, 15, 16 plus speeds because more must be better.
You weren’t kidding. It is expensive. $149 for a single bar end shifter with nothing else means you’re gonna have to really want this puppy.
Yea being a hipster is expensive!
Great and informative video as always.
Question: What is the serial model number for the down tube version?
www.somafabshop.com/shop/ene-ciclo-downtube-shifters-11-sp-8-9-10sp-2627?search=ene#attr=3925
One shifter to rule them all. I love it.
So great to see it working even with the Ekar 13s, impressive!!!
Its price is fair, seeing the costs of a spare STI, and even the upper midrange tiers going electronic, or what you are willing to pay for a bone-matching saddle instead of a 40bucks-OEM.
Given all its benefits, esp. not having to worry about indexing during long rides,
my main concern is its functionality in the case of a crash, when set up as a bar end shifter.
How protected is it e.g. to continue an audax?
Are there any inner mechanics to worry about? The ratchet mechanism?
Or maybe is just a spare lever to pack, like a shift cable?
I guess that simply mounted as a thumbie somewhere at the stem or handlebar would solve that, but the bar-end position is neater, looks to be both more ergonomic and offer the largest cable radius options for minimal friction behind a handlebar-bag. ( Lowest friction and best crash protection is probably getting used again to down tube mounts ;P )
Would there be a difference which position the lever is in, in case of ground contact, e.g. is the lever more vulnerable when vertical in the small cogs?
Other way around, if in the largest cog/lever horizontal and the drop barends would hit the toptube? In the "best" worst case scenario it might simply be pushed down to harder gears, but again I'm thinking about the mechanics and the lever itself.
And I cannot imagine it being comfortable/ergonomic to mounti it turned inwards, i.e. the lever rotated a bit to the frame, away from a possible ground impact.
This is great. I’m sure you have other ideas to prototype but I can think of two bikes I have where this might work well. Earlier today I was fiddling with a 37 year old Deore XT Deerhead SL-M700 Thumb Shifter and it still works just fine. Your product I’m sure will be useful in just as many years.
This is great, you've really opened my eyes to alternatives recently and having experienced a breakdown in the ratcheting system for my Sensah Empire Pro 2x12 groupset, I want to get some friction-shifters. I want to get this but saw it's sold-out on the website. Are there any alternatives you would suggest with enough cable-pull for a 12-speed system? I'm based in the UK too. I'd like a left and right-shifter. So far, I've seen the Microshift BS-M12-R but that's only a single friction-shifter.
Not sure I'm the demographic for this, for this most part, but also find it to be cool. If the right bike came along (a classic bike build especially), this would be something I'd think about for sure. Some old 2x8 or 2x9 is honestly some of my favorite gearing to cruise around on and just enjoy the ride.
The right demographic is the person tired of compatibility issues, values backwards compatibility, wants the most bombproof shifter and doesn’t want to charge their bike.
Could you use this to shift a triple chainring on the front? If so, I'd buy two. I'm not too pleased with how Microshift works with my front derailleur.
Yes
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thank you!
Hi Rus, is an Uno shifter available for downtube mounting?
As it's just a single shifter for rear mech, what would be the recommended partner for a 2x setup?
Russ, I bought this the day you announced it, then returned it next day. I’m running SRAM 12-SPD 10-50, guessing that the 11-spd demo in your 1st vid would leave shifting room aplenty in my lowest (12th) gear. Here’s what I found. 1) There was no range improvement over my MicroShifter on my 1x12 setup. Both shifter handles top out with nary a millimeter to spare in top gear, indicating that both pulley diameters are either equivalent or close to it. 2) The expanders were too small for my Richey steerer tube, necessitating a swap with my MS expanders. No other expander choice was offered on the order page. 3) The pulley cable channel was galled and quite rough, which might degrade the cable through use.
I address every one of those points in this video to set accurate expectations.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I saw. I’d hoped it would improve shifting range and leverage versus MS on my 1x12. I’m sure it would be great on 11spd, however. Your channel is terrific.
A “soft” material (aluminum) cannot damage a harder one (steel cable).
Swathes of top tube mounted or quill stem mounted shifters activating 3 cogs flywheels were made, the other century, 20th, using antiquated casting technology by Simplex, Huret and precursors which channels never were machined or polished.
It never resulted in cable damage.
That’s steel on steel rubbing which damages a cable.
I always rode with a friction shifter. I really have missed them. Adjusting 12 speed on the go is not easy. These make it unnecessary. I've got to get one. They're not easy to get in Australia. Thanks for the video.
Friction Shifters, huh. Yeh - I had those on the Schwinn Continentals I had forty years ago. I guess I like the idea. Basic mechanical engineering, It seems like they could sell these with various sized pulleys for the unit to change the amount of cable is pulled as you rotate the lever. However, in these times, I think few people tinker like they used to. A hundred fifty bucks seems high to me, but so does everything else these days. If demand for such a product exists, this is something the lone inventor in their garage could improve on and sell over the internet. Thanks for the review.
Hi Russ. Thanks! I assume there is only one version of this shifter!? Can I use the same version for the front and rear derailer?
Fabulous! Now we just need to get Jim and gang to make a new bar end pod that is narrower in diameter to work with the newer aluminum albatross bar (in 31.8 bar clamp) and many of the newer upright bars by velo orange and others.
hahaha, that rough channel is betta not to be smooth,
that added friction help you to widen the grappling surface.
that way it would be harder to break the tip.
Congrats for the world's first 13 speed friction on record...!
I went from Shimano 9 speed brifters to friction about 15 years ago (after replacing brifters every few years when they wore out) I will never go back.
Bought an "11 speed" bar end from microshift for my sram 11 speed. Never got it to shift correctly, smoothly, and confidently. Definitely will appreciate this
Is there a shop in Europe that currently is not out of stock? It's very hard to find bar end shifters in Germany.
Does the Uno work with 22.2 bar ends (Velo orange granola bar)?? Thnx!
Excellent. Super Retro in that it is old school but better that the stuff we had in the 20th century. This could go on my early nineties Cannondale touring bike when I refurbish next winter 👍
As of my post, this is sold out.
Will it be restocked?
This would be a solution for folks who are going for 105 12speed mechanical RD(assuming enough pull) on TT bikes, as Microshift havent release road solution yet.
/Should consider black ver too
Do you have an european distributor? Just to avoid making it ridiculously expensive for us with international shipping, tariffs, etc.?
Perfect for Surly Corner Bar! Daaang!
Good product and good review on what makes it special. Thanks.
will there be a flat bar under mount version ? ( like using front shifter as rear shifter ? )
Curious I used friction at 10 speed and felt it was way to sensitive. Can you find individual gears on eagle? Seems like it would be crazy to adjust.
I use friction in 10 and 11 regularly without any problems.
Bar end friction shifters have been around for years. And is pretty good that’s just my opinion.
Absolutely incredible. The bike industry has lost its way but it's good to see people being creative.
A friction only aficionado... or africtionado if you will
Thanks for your content! Is this different then the Velo-Orange Dia-Compe 11speed ratchet? Or, is it the first time it’s been on a pod? I’ve had the 11speed DT on one of my set ups and love it but wanted to do barends at some point.
Same lever. First time in a modified pod.
Already bought. Thanks for helping make this happen.
Im still using shimano 600 derailleurs. I just keep transfering them from bike to bike to bike. It just works.
Great job Russ! I hope yall sell a ton of these, and I hope you make a little coin when they do! Keep up the good work!
Interesting, but I'm a straight up Thumb Shifter guy. I run a lot of old LBS take-offs. I do luv the Suntour rachet's feel.
This popped up on my page 2 weeks too late 😅 ...I just converted to flat bars and I think I'm going to just throw a thumb shifter on (instead of my current frame shifter) ...but good to know it exists! I was looking for one a few weeks ago
I think you mentioned it in the video, but just to check, is there a downtube version of this shifter? I don't see one on the Soma Fab shop site. Thanks for working to get this item into production! I switched to friction shifting a few years ago, but I still don't care for the non-ratcheting feel of the microshift.
www.somafabshop.com/shop/ene-ciclo-downtube-shifters-11-sp-8-9-10sp-2627?search=ene#attr=3925
Noob question, but how would one mount it to flat bars? I'd buy two if flat's possible!
Hello Russ. I recently got these in thumbies but was wondering could I run a Shimano grx810 with a 9 speed cassette using these or would I need to use a 9 speed derailleur? Your passion and knowledge is amazing to watch. Thank you.
If you have the oversized thumbie it will work. If not it won’t pull the derailleur across the entire cassette.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thank you for the quick reply. Yea I got the newer 11 speed thumbie. So this 11 speed derailure should work across a 9 speed cassette awesome. Thank you for the help highly appreciate it.
IRD/Mery Sales has a brake lever that is similar to the Retroshift lever already...can we get a peice testing that out ?
Hey Russ. I'm dead keen on getting a set of the flat bar thumbies version, but the blurb online at a bike shop here in the UK says..
"Will not work with SRAM mechs or Shimano Dyna-Sys, Shimano Shadow RD, Microshift Advent X. (We assume, as we haven't tried yet.)"
Any comments on that?
It will work with those mechs.
Sweet dude... That's exactly what I was hoping/expecting to hear....
Thank you so much. Today was the first day of UK winter mud for me this year and my rear indexing went out of whack right away....
Use an accessory mount to paralel mount a 22mm (normal handlebar diameter) tube paralel below the normal bars. By a cheap carbon tube of ebay for that, its plenty stiff enough. It should be almost as wide as the bars. You can now mount barend shifters at the end of that bar and also have a bumper for your handlebar bag. It too works for using normal Mtb brakes on super flared drop bars. Just mount normally as if you have a second handlebar below the drop bar. I use this on my Surly Cornerbar and it keeps all the wires from doing ugly loops. In combination with Magura 90° Brakeline mounts it looks very dope.