Rim Brake Resurgence? The TriRig Omega One
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Here's a video that's sure to cause a stir. At TriRig, we believe in the right solutions to each problem. And disc brakes in triathlon are simply NOT the ideal solution. Here's why we think rim brakes are still king of the hill in our sport. Check out the products mentioned in this video:
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I can't believe that as a mountain biker i just watched a 7 minute ad of an areo rim brake :D
Same here... I can't explain...
Dunno, it seemed more like an infomercial.
Dudes a hell of a salesman
It's the manson lamps
Next week you gonna buy a gravel bike, and a week after that a touring bike, and then finally a road bike
Rim for road and disc for dirt.
And dirt for disc pad contamination.
Add water
Hydraulic for brakes, cable for shifters.
@@worldsend69 tell that to mountain bikers
😂 DISC FOR SCAMMING FOR PARTS
These are fine for road/triathlon bikes on dry, sunny day, but for gravel, mountain and general mixed weather commuting I would prefer disc.
I hear this all the time, but rim brakes are fine in all weather if you're on alloy wheels.
I'm a winter commuter who rides a single speed rim brake bike. Discs and hydraulic lines accumulate water and freeze. After this made me late to work 3 times in a row, I went to cantilever brakes and never looked back. Bonus is they have enough clearance to keep snow and ice from accumulating on the brakes.
@@holben27 mechanical disc brakes does exist though. But I do annual bleeding for my hydraulic brakes and never had fluids freezing from water getting in.
@@drill_fiend1097 Have used them also have issues with feed back from not maintaining them (shteel rusts). Rim brakes are simpler and easier to repair and the pads are extremely standardized to the point where there are no other mounting points other than a singular M6 bolt, probably a spherical washer but you reuse that hardware. I still won't buy this informercial rim brake though, the tire in front of that caliper is already turbulent due to the air sticking to it and causing vortices. I do like hydraulic brakes if they recommend mineral oil in them, the dot 3 is hydroscopic. PS use silicone O-Rings on your cups or over time they will leak onto your rotor and wipe the entire setup out, then you have to bake them out and sand the rotors LIGHTLY you don't want to change the thickness of them.
living in the Alps, by any weather, I'd never go back to rim brakes for 10km+ steep downhills, mostly during rainy days, discs have been game changers for safety here, already had exploded a tube because of the heat generated on the rim.
But for flat riding, aero, maintenance and cost, I totally agree with you.
It exploded on carbon clinchers?
@@oreocarlton3343 It was on aluminum Mavic front rim after I climbed the "Semnoz"
@@MarcAntoineBouchet yikes, did you crashed? It happened to me as well, before I thought it was a myth but because of wrong pads on ceramic oldschool rims
@@oreocarlton3343 yes I did, but I've been lucky not to get hurt, I'm really careful since this happened^^
I hope you didn't crash, it's scary ! It only happened one time for me.
@@MarcAntoineBouchet I did mtb for a long time and decided to get a road bike (like many XXXtreme mtbers who try road you entered it with a slight sense of superiority and thing you know everything important), I got a very nice old school used road bike for a nice price.
Since I was on hydro disc brakes for so long and did the same mountain road descents on my local mountain in Croatia with my old V-brake mtb, I thought I knew everything I need to know about brakes and especially rim brakes and didnt asked a mechanic to look the bike up (since after all I majored to hydros and did XXXtreme mtb - many people sadly get to think like that) . What I forgot to realize is that stated max tire pressure on road is more than 2x of mtb time so a big volume mtb tire is very hard to explode by rim overheating...anyway on my first descent with that road bike (it had shimano pads on ceramic mavic rims and not salmons when I bought it so you really had to squeeze it and 20mm skinwalls but Im no complainer and forgot the technicalities of rims and pad combo during that time) on the same road Ive done so many times I noticed a change in pressure on the front tire after exiting a switchback at around 40kmh. Ive experienced many rear pinchflats and a few fronts on mtb so the feeling of pressure loss at speeds was there. I stopped at the side of the road to check the front tire and it was dead flat. Rim was ultra hot. I didnt crashed but a lot could have happened if I didnt stop to check when I felt I needed to.
After that Ive changed rims and pads, never dragged the brake like a tool and it never happened again, but tube blowouts from braking are not a myth they can be fatal at descent speeds. I think they are more common with beginners who drag the brakes and not brake with intention to let them cool down. Long story but Ive learned a lot from it.
Also, rim brake bikes, braking aside, are more enjoyable to ride, they feel more planted, disc brakes also have spoke windup and their initial bite is noticeable compared to calipers. Ive only noticed that after riding rims again.
I just got some Kool Stop pads for my rim brakes on my commuter bike. Never had a problem stopping on 40% downgrades in pouring rain in seattle after riding through all kinds of road yuck toward the bike lanes. And these were the standard cannondale V brakes that come on lots of their commuter and consumer bikes.
Kool stop is a legend which seems to be dying :(
@@linaslinas3170 maybe I better order a few pairs...
Awesome video, i'm glad someone finally said it.
😂 yes ...tired of rotor noise..pads that give out when oil gets on them then you have nonstopping
It might not be relevant to a pure racing triathlon bike but what i like in discs is wet braking consistency and not grinding my carbon rims. Then i m a rim brake user, mostly because i dont want to change stuff that work and perform.
Guy is just selling his product omitting the obvious. Really poor marketing.
@@weberito Ah the rain man argument again. That's because people love to get out on a bike when there water is pouring from the skies. BTW> Switch your pads when they are no good in rain.
@@rosomak8244 I guess you just never mtb’d in moderate climate where quarter of the year is muddy, this is not imaginary problem
@@rosomak8244 I guess you never cycled in the Alps where on blue sky suddenly clouds appear and you have a 1000m descent in rain showers. Canti and rim brakes in general let you grow grey hair in a time lapse all the way down to the valley.
Rim for road disc for dirt
Great. That video makes my day (and that of my 2018 P5) 😎
Thanks for stepping out of your shower just to bring us this important message.
I can see how Rim Brake would be better for aero.
I’m a MTB rider, so disc brakes are really ideal for my application, but damn!!! Those TRO 1 are badass looking. I DIG the engineering, so impressive. If I rode road (lol) I would rock those bad boys.
Kudos
Good video too!
Can we also please keep the square taper bottom bracket?.... Or at least a threaded bottom bracket?
Great video I have always hated disc brakes, the only benefit they have is in the wet and no rim brake surface to burn. But it still does not answer the solution to stop heat build up of your carbon rims especially for long descents, despite all the claims of the resins they use.
I like both systems. One point not mentioned is that all breaking surfaces are subject to wearing. When you invest in a good pair of wheels it’s easier and cheaper to simply change rotors.
Campag Chorus Monoplaner still not beaten by design :)
Used similar construction on vintage AX Shimano brakes, same working principle, but they are just not stopping you and requires almost no innitial gap between pad and rim.
Nice product for rim brake frame and forks. Rim brakes are disc brakes. The rim is a large disc, the brake is a caliper stopping the rim from turning. Also, you are stopping the rim and tire only, disc brakes stop the rotor, hub, through the spokes, and then the rim. Before disc non drive side spokes rarely broke. Plus, in most conditions most rim brakes work great. I'd like to see some pics of a bike with the brakes installed.
Downside, rim brakes wear the expensive rim down. Eventually grit will get into the pads and sand the rim down slowly. Weight at the rim going to be less without the need for a braking surface. Most high-end fork makers are going to have more selection with disc options. The disc brake market is way larger than the rim brake. Make a fairing for a disc brake you can pop on and off and you've equaled the aerodynamics. Exposed cables are drag, even in front of the headtube, as much as a rotor. Disc brakes do add weight, but you can easily reach the legal minimum road bike weight with disc.
Like it or not disc brakes are going to be on most new bikes. Rim brakes are slowly fading away.
As a mate put it, '...on Mallorca, disc brakes are solving a problem we haven't got...'
They are absolutely superior for triathletes. Triathletes aren't braking like road racers anyway. And so much simpler to work on when traveling for races.
i own 7 bikes all rim brakes no issues i don't go down the Swiss alps in the pouring rain who does
I do
@@newtoncoffin2254 I've downsized to 8 bikes. Disc brakes are hands down, better than rim brakes. Even in dry weather, they're significantly better. I'm a 10min warmup ride to 2 different HC climbs I've ridden significantly more in rim brakes than disc brakes. But I descend significantly faster due to being able to brake so much later than with rim brakes
@@newtoncoffin2254I was in alps with my rim brake road bike and my brother on discs. During descents I didnt have any problems with overheating contrary to my brother, but I would prefer to have discs when it was raining.
@vegan…
What’s the complete stup whit what materials are you comparing, which brakeman’s? Material composition.
The power of braking is only determined by tyre choice, right before the tire skids on the ground a fraction o a second before this skid you reached max breakpower. For both systems it’s The same
I still have a rim brake bike and the prices of bikes I cannot justify spending so much to get a new bike on par just for disks. I am glad your still pushing the tech the brakes look sweet too. Convincing the Mrs to part way with the money they are.. That will be difficult 😂
Still using rim brakes. I'm not racing, just riding for fun. Yes disc brakes are more consistent regardless of wheather. But I choose when I ride. I don't remember when I was soaked wet on my ride. If it rains (which is rare in my case) most of the time it's just light showers. As for excessive rim temperatures in the mountains, I rode thousands of kms in the mountains, mostly in the french alps, never had any problem with overheating. BTW I'm pretty light and that helps.
I rode in pouring rain with rim brakes and alloy rims. No problems stopping whatsoever. The biggest issue is stopping on carbon rims. Unless you're racing, why do you need carbon rims anyway?
If I weren't riding in the rain, I'd probably have only 2 or 2.5 months of riding every year, which is unacceptable for a commute solution. And rim brakes eat through rim brake surfaces pretty easily if you live in a wetter part of the world, especially if your city isn't cleaned properly from the dust. I had a rim brake bike for two years and had to change the rear wheel twice and the front once for that reason.
The company selling high end rim brakes explaining why rim brakes are better.
Yes. But we design what we want. No one tells us we MUST design rim brakes over disc brakes. This video explains why we choose to do so.
haha - yup
@@tririgIt’s a fantastic brake and looks beautiful. It’s great for people looking for a powerful, aero, and well built brake for their rim brake rig. But the likelihood of the market swinging back toward rim brakes is low.
@@jaymueller2418 Just because the market is swinging that way doesn't mean that marketing is right. The only place where disk brakes are needed on a road bike is on CF rims, those are what the pros use, the average rider has no reason to be riding on CF rims other than to look like a pro racer complete with the drugstore racer look of wearing racing kit. Just because professional snake oil pushers say we all need to be on disk brakes doesn't mean they're right. This is all about money, the marketing forces are trying to take as much money as possible out of cyclists' credit cards, and we're all stupid enough to believe the lies and spend the money...and they know it.
@@frozerekmeyata4091 and this video is also trying to take as much money away from you as possible too, since this is a marketing video 😉
It's not about rim or disc for me, it's about cable vs. hydraulic actuation. If they had affordable hydraulic rim brakes, maybe i'd get one. Once i experienced the smoothness of hydraulic actuation, there's just no going back. It's like cable clutch vs. hydraulic clutch, cable feels jurassic.
Hi Nick what an awesome product.
question 1, what's the max rim with your brakes take?
question 2, what's the max tire with they take?
My old haro mtb with XTR rim brakes stops with modulation and brute force
Great pitch. Please explain why they are only good for triathlon bikes
maybe disc brakes are for touring bikes that are loaded up with gear and need to handle extended steep descents without popping the tube from an overheated rim
It's not about rim or disc for me, it's about cable vs. hydraulic actuation.
If they had affordable hydraulic rim brakes, maybe i'd get one.
Don't carbon wheel rims wear with rim brakes.....
Not getting rid of my discs - thanks.
Brakes are the most important thing on any vehicle. Rim brakes on aluminum works are OK. Disc brakes are more dependable in the rain. Enjoy the ride.
And the craziest part is you can pick up rim brake frames and tubular wheels completely dirt cheap now. I know cuz I didnt need any more bikes yet Ive bought 5 old bikesin the last 6 months because I was compelled to strictly because they were all great bikes for pennies on the dollar.
There is little doubt that disk brakes are better overall in all conditions. They are the future and you'll not be able to get a top-level frame that is disk only before to long. But the rim brake has been around for decades and continued to improve over the years up to the current available brakes. As rim brakes go, they are phenomenal! Wet braking can be improved using pads for that condition. They still fall short of what disk brakes are capable of. Ease of maintenance is another plus for rim brakes. But carbon wheels still have pretty big shortcomings in the equation. Overheating and delaminating, poor wet stopping, and the occasional tube overheating and popping to name a few. I like my rim brakes but trying to argue they are just as good or better is hot air. Disks are a better braking system.
I don't even have a road bike and I WANT to buy these.
Agree 100% only for Tri bikes. For road bikes, disc is better. You don't needs stats about weight or aero. People who used both on the road just knows 100% that they would rather descend on a disc than a rim 9/10.
I wonder of those folks who “just know” have done true comparative testing. Remember that a rim brake gripping an alloy rim is essentially just a giant disc brake.
@@tririg the average cyclist doesn’t care for the marginal advantage. That’s my point. I’ve seen so many cyclist especially older folks who don’t climb much because they’re not confident with their descending. TDF riders for sure don’t need it but the industry always caters to the average person. That’s how the world works.
… but as much as I agree that disc offers the cha 7:34 nce for later breaking on mountain hairpin corners, I have ridden with many people (young and old) who didn’t like descending on rim breaks only to be equally as uncomfortable and slow on discs. I think the answers in rider risk appetite/bike handling skills rather than the technology
I prefer to descend on rim brakes, much safer than discs
My idea for the rim brake I had back in the 90s this Rim brake would extend out of the fork leg, it would have been a cable pull system. All the mechanism would have been contained inside the fork leg itself. That was the easy part routing a cable mechanism to make it work was not. This was about the same time that disc brakes were coming out mechanical but disc brake nonetheless. So that idea went on the scrap pile.😏
Oh yea let me just get a pair for my emtb that weighs 27kg. I'm sure that'll work out well
The most important thing for aerodynamics on every bike are the wheels and the tire in relation to the wheel, you’ll lose a lots of watts due to the flat area on the wheel, ask science and tests
Force is exactly the word. Which is why there is a resurgent used bike market.
Looks a lot like the vintage Shimano 600ax Aero Brake Calipers and the Campagnolo C Record Delta brake from yesteryear. Hoping your new one has a more effective cam system.
Solved the problem: brakeless Fixed gear. Lighter than both , more aero than both and cooler than both
Beautiful and Im sure effective brake. What if you ride in the mountains a lot?
Mountain/trail riding is a good candidate for rim brakes. Mud will get caked on your tires/rims and impede the mechanics of braking. Separating the braking on an independent rotor helps in those cases.
Outrageously expensive. So how many watts do they save, vs say a Shimano rim brake caliper? A couple maybe, tops?
Disc brakes allow all kind of flexibility with wheels/tires, swapping wheels on a given bike, and fine tuning aero of tire/wheel interface. And for Tri, aero is way more important than weight.
If I actually used my road bike anymore this would be cool
As far as road bikes go rim brakes are still feasible but mountain bikes will never go back to rim brakes.
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Aside from the aerodynamic shaping (and the single pivot mounting), this seems to be the exact same as an old school roller cam brake.
I definitely prefer rim brakes, but the one thing that disc brakes will definitely always win out on is wet weather and offroad performance, especially with carbon fiber rims.
1:52 A little bit of misdirection here because if you have to use aluminum rims with these (which will be shallow), then you will be at a significant disadvantage because the disc brake bike will be using a deep carbon wheel. In any case, no one who uses a brake like this is going to use aluminum rims, so that point is moot. In my experience, modern carbon fiber rims and brake pads make it hard to notice any difference in dry braking performance with aluminum rims, though.
Aluminum rims do not have to be shallow at all, HED Jet 6 are some of the best wheels on the market. Aluminum rim, 60mm carbon fairing, as light as many full carbon wheels. Other brands have/had similar designs like shimano, bontrager, mavic. The aluminum/carbon hybrid is the most elegant design for all around performance.
@@IlPinnacolo Yes, I forgot about those until after I posted the comment. *Still* , aluminum/carbon fiber hybrid wheels are definitely far more niche than full carbon fiber rims, and my comment still applies in that case.
The HED wheels are definitely a good option, though.
@@ConsciousBreaks You consider HED a niche brand? What about Shimano? Their Dura Ace c40 and C60 wheels are the same construction.
@@IlPinnacolo That's not what I said. I said that hybrid wheels are far more niche than full carbon fiber rim brake wheels. Full carbon rims are far more common than hybrid ones. For those two manufacturers you named, you could name 20 that only make full carbon fiber rims. This isn't really disputable.
Shimano doesn't even manufacture rim brake clinchers anymore. The latest Dura-Ace only has tubulars for rim brakes, which don't have the aluminum brake track.
The rim brake must match the shape of the frame and the rims can be made of carbon with an aluminum braking surface and it will work in all types of situations, I say this from experience.
Anyone who still says rim breaks are superior, either can't ride a bike, or is a triathlete - but I guess those two go together.
Sooo center pulls are back! Gonna break out my Mafacs
lol funny how people just keep trying to save rim brakes like trying to sell a square wheel
looks way cooler than disc brakes
I like this guy and I like his brakes- - YESSSSSSS 🙂
A modern version of Campagnolo delta.
This dude better stop giving me the side eye
guys rimbrakes died because people didnt wanted to buy them, not because they were bad. And this product will not change people preferences
Looks like old Campagnolo delta rim brakes ❤
I'm still on rim brakes and ever will.
Plus: I like the cute little curly lock of hair on your forehead.
Great vid. Couple of points you didn't touch upon: Tyre clearance, rolling resistance and tyre-rim aerodynamics. Would love to hear you thoughts on those, as they are stated to be extra benefits for disc brakes.
Definitely worthy of future discussion! I did have some of that in this video but it was already getting too long so I clipped it. Long story short … even accounting for those factors it’s still in favor of rim brakes. But by all means use wide rims and tires! Omega One opens VERY wide and can easily bite a 32mm+ rim.
Just what I was thinking. Even pro cyclists are opting for 30-32mm tires no (because they are no longer restricted by rimbrake caliper width.
How are you going to hide the cables? All your aero gains lost with the exposed cables.
@@leesem3201the cable sits directly ahead of the head tube so there's no increase in frontal area.
@leesem3201 dude its a cable...ur fine😅
Stop!! Stop using logic and reason in the cycling world! We all know heavier disc brake bikes are somehow faster than lighter more aero rim brake bikes because…reasons…
You say a lot of words, but have no data to back up your claims.
Have these on a 2007 Cyfac proxidium aluminum frame bike , maximized for aero and durable parts with 60mm deep wheels, not weight weening sits at 7kg . The thing is a rocket , prior to Tri-rig install , I noticed that the only place that always gathered dust was the front of the headset , hence a dead spot for air . I installed these puppies on the front, now there is no dirt on the headset because this thing is slicing the air . Hands down , this brake does what’s advertised on the box .
Awesome! We love hearing independent results, tests, anecdotes, etc, just as you’ve described. We try very hard to be very honest in our claims.
You know the biggest air drag on your time trial rig is the human body.....these brakes are a waste of money 💰
@@andrewgoddard3350 all good man , you do you . Yes the human body is the biggest drag , after optimization of position there are only so many other points to optimize . If we all gave up on pushing boundaries, we would all still be riding penny farthings, and honestly if you want to ride a penny farthing than by all means , you do you .
Rim brakes are perfect for my riding abilities...
What's really incredible and sickening is how those companies tried to force riders into the Disc brake ...
Tried and trying. Actually it's happening. The same as removing headphone jacks from phones we're becoming victims of technology
Last spring I was out cycling in pouring rain. My bike has rim brakes but I use alloy rims. I had no problems stopping whatsoever. I'm not racing, ride my bike for training (I also go to the gym), so I see no reason to replace my 10 year old bike with rim brakes and alloy rims. Never had a problem with that setup.
I have mostly rim brake bikes. But I have GRX Di2 hydraulics on my gravel bike and they are honestly incredible. For adverse weather and rougher conditions disc is a no brainer.
@deadreckoner5276 I've never lacked the ability to lock the wheels in wet weather with a rim brake & alloy rims. The limiting factor is always the road-tyre interface.
Common sense you’ve got it………discs…more money for manufacturers of bikes…then it will die and back to rims on aluminium, yes discs for mountain bikes going into mud etc.
There are a lot of rich idiots who think an insanely expensive bike will make them a pro-cyclist 🙂
Over 500$ for a rim brakes.......its a joke
But then again, these were designed with full time professional cyclists at the highest level in mind
@Hambini @PeakTorque might be needed here, hello 🙂
It´s called trI-athlon (like in "tree", and the stress on the "I"), and not traiAthlon...
Rim-brakes put the force where it´s needed, and not on a far-mounted, pretty-out-of-the-way-placed metal disc... Disc-Brakes are much more stress for hubs and spokes. If weight or cost don´t matter, disc-brakes are the better ones, but that´s never the case for bicycles. So, it´s something for trucks, cars and motorcycles, which are all motorized (to carry the extra-weight of heavy rims and brakes) and mass-produced (or else none could afford a car). But disc-brakes for bikes, that´s BS, of course, but there´s always enough idiots who will buy them...
That's okay for a time trial/aero bike ONLY 💯
Really sick of the forced move to disc brakes personally. A properly setup set of rim brakes rocks, without all the weight and squealing of disks. I prefer the feel as well.
Sick of being forced to move to cars. A properly fed horse rocks. I prefer the feel as well
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@@ericl6460 Montana is calling... 😁
it is good only in wet condition, in dry condition , road bike design can not take all power of disc brakes because of too short wheel distance
@@ericl6460yeah go get that car, make sure its an EV to save the environment too, don't miss out 🤡
unless you ride in all weather, were rim brakes suck and shred your expensive rims. for traithlon and sun shine only riders - sure, stick to your rim brakes.
what about the negative effect of rim brakes on carbon wheels, i.e. dirt and temperature damaging the carbon and possibly causing ruptures?
rim for life
Me too. I would live and die with a rim brake. Tour de France been racing with rim brake for years. Go rim brake.
The last rim brake bike I had was cursed with one issue - since I lived in northern parts with lots of rains and did ride on all surfaces, including light gravel, every season I had to change the wheels because the dust and sand combined with water created a perfect grinding paste to obliterate the rim's braking surface. I used Kool Stop wet weather brake pads and those served for about 5-7 thousand kilometers, however, for each two pairs of pads new rims were needed as well. There you have it for "simplicity" and "ease of maintenance". And we don't even have as much rain as in the UK.
You had alu or carbon rims and cleaned them regularly?
wiping down the rims and the pads takes like 5 minutes. You should have done that atleast 1 time a week if you ride alot
Don't blame the equipment for your relaxation, I live in a beach area, I get rained on all the time and my rims have 30,000km
And scary if you blow a rim.
I guess if you can afford such exotic kit, either you can afford new rims, or you save it for race days
Using them on a P5. Best rim brake I have ever used! Expensive though ...
Im a huge fan of the p5. How has it been for you?
@@universe-juice good so far. Interesting to see that the old p5 frame is still used by so many. Martin Toft Madsen, Anna Kiesenhofer, Dan Bigham ...
I’m thinking of bringing my old P5 out of retirement and getting it back in shape. Do you know how the Omega One compares to the P5 Magura brakes?
Very good!! Also, you probably won't have a choice. Spare parts for the Maguras are very rare today. The Omega is a no-brainer for the p5 ... so easy to set-up and strong. Expensive though
@@joshuadohmen And the rear brake? Another Omega or something else? Thanks!
A bit late to the Party, pal. Agreed on the Aero/weight/simplicity aspects of these brakes. However, good luck trying to find top tier Frames and Wheels that will house rim brakes.
I love my hydraulic disc brakes. there was no looking back for me
You kinda lose all credibility when you reject disk brakes and proceed to sell your own rim brake product 😂 But I hear your point. I still love my disc brakes though.
I have never come across a set of brakes that stop better than my old Shimano xtr v brakes.
I rock the XTR's on my 1991 Kona Hei Hei and they work great . The only thing a disc brake is needed for is downhill mountain biking , other than for extreme downhill biking disc brakes are never really needed.
Hydraulic Disc's are way more powerful than the strongest vbrake, but all that power is useless outside of mtb, disc's also have a strong initial bite compared to rims so a lot of initial modulation is lost
the old Advid Ultimate V brakes from 20+years ago before SRAM are better than the XTR V brakes. I still have a set on my brothers 25year old mtb
There was an oak tree in Woodford that was better than any brakes ever invented. It stopped my brother from riding in a road.
Tree no long exists as my dad cut it down.
RIP brother Danial
Bike companies need to sell new bikes or they’ll go out of business. That leads them to market very different approaches to sell new frames. For most regular cyclists who aren’t competing they don’t need carbon wheels, let alone disc brakes. I use alloy wheels with rim brakes and could stop hard enough to fling myself over the handlebars and can modulate braking power just as well (if not better) than discs. I’m not a triathlete but marginal gains will be important to you. Where are those best found? Aero positions, swimming or running?
500€ for those 🤣🤣🤣😳😳😳😳
The only downside I can see in Disc Brakes for road bikes is the PRICE.
I don't know what data are you looking when you say rim brakes are more reliable, because not everyone weighs 50kg, some of us weight 80-130kg which needs more clamping force.
Not to mention the reliability on different weather conditions, sure the disc brake system wasn't perfect but if a cheap MT200 brake system can be used for years w/o any maintenance, I don't understand why road bike disc brakes can become less reliable.
Thoroughly sick of the "wide tires are faster" mantra. While they're absolutely preferable for rough surfaces and some folks may want the cush (I don't), "faster" ignores several factors:
(1) aero drag - a 32mm tire will have 28% more frontal area than a 25mm aero drag is proportional to frontal area (if other factors are the same)
(2) weight - for tubeless Conti 5000, 32mm (320g) adds 70g (28%) over 25mm; for tube type the difference is 75g plus a bit more for the bigger tube - this affects both the overall weight and more importantly the rotational inertia of the wheels, making the bike less responsive
(3) rolling resistance - supposedly less for wider tires, but I'm skeptical because the measurements are done using a drum rather than a flat surface (like the road) - even though the drum has a large-ish diameter, this may affect flex of the tire at the contact patch (which is where the resistance happens after all)
Anyhow, these are small effects, can we please worry about larger factors such as rider position, etc?
Superior 🤣 force 🤣 Data 🤣
so the tyre size revolution, the aero egg shape rim revolution, the fact that you can brake no matter the force, the rain, on carbon rims...
the revolution of confort on gravel roads, the solution to changing wheels not brake pads and adjustments.
this would never had happened on rims.
Pretty sure your brakes would do the same noise as disc in cyclocross, Ho wait they really can"t do cyclocross.
you are talking about dry conditions on a no braking closed circuit triathlon day. Not Paris Roubaix, or a dirt road with the family or friends.
get a nick in those rims, needing to true them, to change them because they cooked on a death save on a long descent, blowing the latex tubes or UL TPU tubes we like so much ... this stays in the past with my good old rim on alloy training bike .
This brake may have its merits. I have a tri rig adjustable aero bar, and the rail based seat post bottle mount ("beta bottle carrier"). I give them credit they have reasonably innovative ideas. However the design or manufacturing QC is sub par. The bar is adjustable and convenient, but the two arms are the most flexy bike handle bars I've ever owned in my life, totally disconcerting to ride. As for the beta bottle carrier, the rod broke before I even left the smooth parking lot I parked in for the very first ride with it when it was loaded within spec. I went back and dropped stuff off at my car and jammed bottles in my jersey. I contacted tri rig on both, was ghosted and never heard from the company again.
Got Duraace 9000 brakes amazing stopping power, also have trek madone 2017 the one with rhe wings! These brakes look very similar to Trek , no way better than shimano.
No comparison. Disc brakes are more reliable vs. rim brakes especially on fast, long descents where prolonged braking will be required.
Rim brake is gangsta until it starts raining... had both... prefer discs, I ride a lot in the rain and very dusty roads.
i have one bike with rim break and one with disk. i can say for sure in wet weather disk breaks work way better than rim breaks. i've been caught out in heavy rain on rim breaks and dear god it was terrifying. i couldn't squeeze enough to make my bike stop quickly. i've been out in rain with disk break and it is far superior. the rim breaks are Shimano 105. the disk break is SRAM rival.
You are a fat, wide and heavy cyclist? Use disc brakes. You are a slim, narrow and light cyclist? Use rim brakes.
My Dura Ace single-pivots are very, very strong. Take much less lever pressure than my Sram HRD.
The HRD are an absolute PITA, by the way.
I will never have another disc brake road bike again.
Rim brakes suck and eat into the carbon rims forcing people to replace them, where ass disc brake better in all conditions and let us kim our wheels forever unless they get destryed in a big accident.
99% of riders will never experience a difference in racing performance. Use what you can afford and what is comfortable for your riding style.
To be honest, 99.999% of racers will never see a win/loss from this brake assembly. On the flip side... that cammed cable lever is sure to give improved feel and transition over just about any brake on the market.
nice advert.
20 years ago i Had a Mountainbike with a v-brake. It Had the Most stopping Power of all of my Bikes. But it was really hard to dose it, IT either didnt brake or Just Stop.
Discs are far Superior in that regards.
simping for rim brakes that cost 300. nah, obvious paid shill
Nice explanation Nick. Another product (disc) that was invented to solve a problem that doesn't really exist in triathlon. Especially so if pairing rim brakes with HED JET+ Black rims.
Well to be honest disc brakes have not been pushed onto the road bike and Tri world by accident. It is and has always been about profits. Sell the rider a disc brake at a higher initial price and margin versus a rim brake and put them into a product that is far more finicky, and requires both its brake pads and rotors to be replaced far more frequently and at far higher replacement costs versus a rim brake. 😀
@@ivanboesky1520 While your point has some merit, you're making it under a video selling a $275 rim brake.
@@andreaslaroi8956 While your point is well taken, it's worth pointing out that really really nice Ultegra 8000 rim brakes can be had for $65 each. Far superior to the single pivot side pull rim brakes of yore. One of the plusses of the mfrs pushing to discs is great discounts on rim stuff.
like watching a horse salesman after the advent of the auto. And I still have 3 rim brake road bikes
"Rim brakes will last longer and are the Best"
TDF raced on rim brakes for years and years no worries or issues
@@newtoncoffin2254 That is so true. Most often, this recommendation by the manufacturer is over hype. An example is the Quick release lever; they took it out to entertain the thru axel, which evidently is having problems in replacing during the road race, and some have rubbing issues with wheel replacement, like what happened recently in the Tour de France, which cost the Poor pro to lose his position and end up losing. The same in our place and disc on the road are not even aero advantage to get those marginal gains and are costing People fortune and wives leaving(🤣 joke). Rim Brake bikes on high-end frames are starting to come back again, namely Giant because they saw what is happening plus the cost people are complaining about.
@@newtoncoffin2254 Giant bikes slowly realize that rim brakes are " It" for most consumers due to the lower price and more aero compared to disc brakes, a slight advantage to the disc in stopping power, but rim brakes faired longer in usage as to how many years you can use it on the bike usually 10-15 plus years. It still stops really well. There is no proven advantage of Aero over caliper brakes. For example, For this TriRig, what do you think has the aero advantage over the two? Of course, it is this Aero caliper. Point blank Discs are for MTB with those needing rubbing on power.
Agree with stated points. But wait! There's more!
Even the slightest disc brake contact with a rotor absorbs a tremendous amount of power. In mountain biking it's no big deal but it's the death of a tri bike. What causes disc pad rub? Name it... slightly warped rotor, non-centered caliper, sticky piston, etc... Yeah, but calipers can rub too! Easy.. in a pinch just lift the release lever or loosen the cable. Lever pull will be slightly longer, but functional and no rub.
A disc brake forces a non-optimal and non-symmetrical frame design. With rim brakes, brake torque was taken up by two very robust places on the bike... the crown, bottom bracket, or seat tube/seat stay intersection. No more!! Since brake torque now has to be absorbed by the forks themselves, which historically have enjoyed unlimited freedom to explore the entire spectrum of stiffness to compliance, now have to be stiff. Same is said for chain/seat stay which is a delicate design for vertical compliance for comfort but forward stiffness for power transfer. No more. That said, kudo's to frame designers for doing their best to work around these.
What about fat tyres are faster. See dan Bigham on his track bike with 27mm tyres.
If you think rim brakes have the same power as disk you are more than a little delusional. 😂
TRP Aero V-Brakes, love them on my 10yo Giant Propel.
disk brake are for MTBs (.)
I just used a pair of Tririg Omega one on my 2016 supersix evo 2 months ago, good outlook but less stopping force compare with original Shimano UT6800 brake
You said it! I don't see a good mechanical lever on the Omega like on the Shimanos. Omega looks more like a concealed cantilever brake to me. 🤔
If anyone asks me how to choose a bike for triathlon i mostly tell them to look for great deals on used rimbrake bikes. People are selling rockets with all the bells and whistles, Di2, deep dish wheels etc. Also the deals you can get on used rim brake disc wheels are incredible.
Also rim brake parts will be available for years to come. Come race day and you have a broken rim brake part, you'll easily get a replacement at any bike shop or bike rental. May it be a brake line or a caliper.
Quick fixing a disc brake? Not so much.
I was on the fence going back to rim brake actually, selling my disc brake speed max and getting a well maintained argon 18 with all the stuff on it. Decided to stay with my bike though because all our bikes are disc brakes.