What I like about Dream's entire concept & character is that his punishments are worst than death. Taking away dreams forever, giving eternal nightmares, forbidding them from sleeping.. every single one is enough to drive a person mad. Punishments that only he alone could give. Love it.
the only thing I hate about Dream is that he sometimes punishes people who don't deserve it. His former Nada lover was sent to hell, it took him to reflect on himself to actually free her.
Especially if you consider what he says here - not "until you die", but "until the end of time". Meaning they will very well be carrying this all the way to damnation and beyond.
I love the punishment he deals out to the psychos. Not a moments rest for your cruelty and evil deeds, and even the little lies to themselves "I'm justified in doing this." taken away and exposed as filthy little lies. I love it. He doesn't slaughter them, or ask his siblings to torment them, but takes their dreams and makes them their hell. Perfection.
@@fanghur Probably not. But that's the point, they were turned from predators to pray. The people they were are the predator tormenting them now, making them the eternal target of themselves.
@@JMS-2111I just find the idea of punishing a psychopath by effectively granting them empathy and compassion to be very morally dubious. Their lack of those things (through absolutely no fault of their own) was the very reason they acted as they did in the first place. Granting them empathy as a means to reforming them and allowing them to become better people is one thing, but doing it purely to psychologically torture them is in my opinion just as immoral as they used to be.
His judgment for them to feel all the guilt and pain to THE END OF TIME. Not even the end of life. So even after dying, if time continues to have meaning for the dead, they will continue to feel it
The punishment is just what I always hoped people like that would get! He took away their self delusion and made them see exactly who and what they are!! No more fooling themselves into thinking what they were doing was good. And not being able to forget it for a moment. 😱😱😱💀💀💀
Problem is: a) Most evil is not done in delusion, but simply without any care for others. They KNOW what they are doing, others simply don't matter. b) If you got an actual psychopath, it's not even that it is their fault, that they don't have emotions for others, they are born that way, so they were already punished. c) Overall the worst evil isn't such people, those are more a symptom, the worst evil is systematic and on a completely different scale, while accepted by the majority.
Okay, I’m convinced. I first read the Sandman when I was in college (‘91) and it has remained my favourite comic book series ever since, with the single notable exception of Lenore the Cute Little Dead Girl! I was convinced no adaptation could ever do it justice but this breathtaking…I am so sold on it!
The way in how Dream deals with the collectors, remaining clam, centered, no epic battles, but bestowing a conscience on them all. Literally feeling the pain of their victims with that of their loved ones, not just knowing but *TRULY* knowing that their evilness could not go away unpunished, with finally being able to feel bad about it they never did before. Dream truly is a bad ass god. Corinthian original purpose was to make humanity afraid of their inner evilness so they don't become it, thereby lessening serial killers, perverts, terrorists etc. in the world. He'll b back but better in staying true to that design.
Guy is Outerversal and can send them to their worst nightmares for all eternity without blinking, they got off easy or they might be gifted as lucifer’s playthings
I'm pretty sure Corinthian is the best design in DC history, he's like a mythology creature, like Medusa, a character that with simplicity can transcend generations with his appearance only
1:53 Oh, if only this will was possible against psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists. The power to make them feel accountable for the wrongs they've done, to make them feel all the pain and loss they've brought upon others. That they will never be able to rid themselves of the guilt they should feel.
He has tears in his eyes because he had to stand there and be delivered the lines "I have to uncreate you" that somebody wrote and multiple people greenlit before this poor actor had to say it.
His curse is marvelous. For these killers and rapists, the actions had been justified by there own delusions. And fantasies. It made them feel special if not justified in their lives. But fantasies are born from dreams, and lies only work on yourselves if you can imagine a reality in which its truth. Now they live in a world of reality. No more dreams, filled with lies and fantasy. Just cold truth and they have to live knowing how monsterous they became
This reminds me of that Doctor Who episode: The Family of Blood. Where it turned out at the end that he avoided the family because he was being kind and at the end, he granted their wish for immortality in horrible ways but as the brother said: "He never raised his voice. That was the worst part." Morpheus gave them a horrible punishment for their choices but it was all done calmly. Just them living the life they had until now but it's no longer a dream. How dare they even call their deeds a dream? It's the ugly reality of who they actually are and what they did and now without the ability to hide behind the facade that it's what they dream of, they face it.
If I could have the powers of any one of the Endless, Dream would be at the top of my list. The ability to give people a broader perspective and allow them to empathize with others would solve so many problems in the world.
Since he is making them feel the guilt forever that means they will end up in hell and never be able to overcome their guilt this forever remaining there
Their punishment is even worse since we know now that Hell is real in this universe. Every and each one of them is going there, sooner or later. Much sooner, actually, I'm pretty sure.
@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883it's stated in Sandman and also the spin off Lucifer comic that the inhabitants of hell are essentially only there because of their belief that they deserve punishment. If they were able to actually forgive themselves they would no longer be there.
It was said that in the comics, Dream took away the delusions of the serial killers. As for the Corinthian, Dream was able to create a different one that still had the memories of the original one. I can't say if they'll adapt the creation of that Corinthian. That will be for the developers to decide.
@@Chevalier_knight i felt it was more of a segway into that story about the friendship between Dream and the immortal man. But if it bothered you that much, yeah I can see her presence being potentially perturbing during the first 2/3rds of that episode. It didn’t bother me, but it can definitely be seen as a major miscast that would bother many. i enjoyed the casting for lots of characters so it sort of slipped past me
this series kinda reminds me of TRON and CLU, The corinthian isnt really doing anything wrong, hes doing what he was created to do. and the sandmans dissapointment in his actions must hurt cause to him he's been doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing. what he was created for. and cannot comprehend why he must be "punished" by his creator for doing the thing that his creator wanted.
@@arthursouza9641 that is your opinion, personally I found them boring, and basically making dream a side character in his own series. Like I said, after episode 5 it went downhill in my opinion.
@@jcfra420 Like the comics, dumb. In various sandman stories, Sandman / dream is a side character, inclusive in the arcs adapted in first season. The show it´s only faithful.
@@arthursouza9641 Aww is little Arthur triggered? Sorry I interacted with you once in good faith, but anyone that cannot make a counterpoint without insulting like a little child is someone I do not take seriously. Thanks for playing though.
You’re criticizing Neil Gaiman for being woke? Have you READ a Neil Gaiman comic? Dude had trans protagonists in the 90s. I’m sure he won’t care if bigoted idiots like you get butthurt about his show. Talk about cringe, you are the embodiment of the word.
@CMOT101 enlighten me then. What was being conveyed by depicting a corporeal entity activly stalking and killing gay men of color over the course of decades unchecked and unpunished, only to eventually be erased while the damage he's done is irreparable. Explain
@CMOT101 enlighten me then. What was being conveyed depicting a corporeal entity that harmed men of color over the course of decades who's only punishment was to be erased and eventually remade while the damage he's done receives no justice and is irrevocable. Explain
@@doriancoreyscloset421 you understand better if you see the episode where he punishes the writer. This punishment is basically making them aware of all the pain they've caused and simultaneously cursing them to never be able to sugarcoat it. Hence you see their extreme reactions to the punishments
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What I like about Dream's entire concept & character is that his punishments are worst than death. Taking away dreams forever, giving eternal nightmares, forbidding them from sleeping.. every single one is enough to drive a person mad. Punishments that only he alone could give. Love it.
the only thing I hate about Dream is that he sometimes punishes people who don't deserve it. His former Nada lover was sent to hell, it took him to reflect on himself to actually free her.
@@sainttanto be fair he isn’t exactly human but also yet he is somewhat. He’s a being of sort who needs to learn differently.
Especially if you consider what he says here - not "until you die", but "until the end of time". Meaning they will very well be carrying this all the way to damnation and beyond.
@korsekil even demons and nightmares can dream.
@@westdannyjr gods, angels, any sentient beings can dream.
I love the punishment he deals out to the psychos. Not a moments rest for your cruelty and evil deeds, and even the little lies to themselves "I'm justified in doing this." taken away and exposed as filthy little lies. I love it. He doesn't slaughter them, or ask his siblings to torment them, but takes their dreams and makes them their hell. Perfection.
Dream prety much did the equivalent of a penance stare on steroid.
Are they even meaningfully the same people who committed the murders after this though?
@@fanghur They are. They just loose the ability to lie to themselves. What they did, how much they enjoyed their actions, that's still them.
@@fanghur Probably not. But that's the point, they were turned from predators to pray. The people they were are the predator tormenting them now, making them the eternal target of themselves.
@@JMS-2111I just find the idea of punishing a psychopath by effectively granting them empathy and compassion to be very morally dubious. Their lack of those things (through absolutely no fault of their own) was the very reason they acted as they did in the first place. Granting them empathy as a means to reforming them and allowing them to become better people is one thing, but doing it purely to psychologically torture them is in my opinion just as immoral as they used to be.
Really subtle but you can just hear the Corinthian speaks in three voices, his mouth and his mouth eyes.
didn't even realize it before
His judgment for them to feel all the guilt and pain to THE END OF TIME. Not even the end of life. So even after dying, if time continues to have meaning for the dead, they will continue to feel it
The punishment is just what I always hoped people like that would get! He took away their self delusion and made them see exactly who and what they are!! No more fooling themselves into thinking what they were doing was good. And not being able to forget it for a moment. 😱😱😱💀💀💀
Problem is:
a) Most evil is not done in delusion, but simply without any care for others. They KNOW what they are doing, others simply don't matter.
b) If you got an actual psychopath, it's not even that it is their fault, that they don't have emotions for others, they are born that way, so they were already punished.
c) Overall the worst evil isn't such people, those are more a symptom, the worst evil is systematic and on a completely different scale, while accepted by the majority.
@@miriamweller812 maybe they are in delusion that "they don't care". So he removes that too, and now they care about what they did. Hahaha
@@miriamweller812Thing is that now they care. They suffer it. They mourn it. For every single second.
The punishment of empathy
Okay, I’m convinced. I first read the Sandman when I was in college (‘91) and it has remained my favourite comic book series ever since, with the single notable exception of Lenore the Cute Little Dead Girl! I was convinced no adaptation could ever do it justice but this breathtaking…I am so sold on it!
this adaptation is GARBAGE
The way in how Dream deals with the collectors, remaining clam, centered, no epic battles, but bestowing a conscience on them all. Literally feeling the pain of their victims with that of their loved ones, not just knowing but *TRULY* knowing that their evilness could not go away unpunished, with finally being able to feel bad about it they never did before. Dream truly is a bad ass god. Corinthian original purpose was to make humanity afraid of their inner evilness so they don't become it, thereby lessening serial killers, perverts, terrorists etc. in the world. He'll b back but better in staying true to that design.
Guy is Outerversal and can send them to their worst nightmares for all eternity without blinking, they got off easy or they might be gifted as lucifer’s playthings
Hope beat Lucifer.
Compassion beat the many.
@@luiousy7329grief is very strong and creative
Nightmares are simple and easy to
I'm pretty sure Corinthian is the best design in DC history, he's like a mythology creature, like Medusa, a character that with simplicity can transcend generations with his appearance only
The sad thing is. Those desires of Corinthian aren’t all his own. Desires was the puppeteer, they pulled the strings for so long.
Yeah pretty sure desires corrupted Corinthian, he is just a puppet for them
1:53 Oh, if only this will was possible against psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists. The power to make them feel accountable for the wrongs they've done, to make them feel all the pain and loss they've brought upon others. That they will never be able to rid themselves of the guilt they should feel.
We call that Hell
Man, this show is incredible. Can't wait for Season 2.
1:11 He has tears in his eyes/teeth because he knows his days as the Corinthian (devil-may-care, carefree) are over
He has tears in his eyes because he had to stand there and be delivered the lines "I have to uncreate you" that somebody wrote and multiple people greenlit before this poor actor had to say it.
How did these 2 not get awards the acting is next level
His curse is marvelous.
For these killers and rapists, the actions had been justified by there own delusions. And fantasies. It made them feel special if not justified in their lives.
But fantasies are born from dreams, and lies only work on yourselves if you can imagine a reality in which its truth.
Now they live in a world of reality. No more dreams, filled with lies and fantasy. Just cold truth and they have to live knowing how monsterous they became
This reminds me of that Doctor Who episode: The Family of Blood. Where it turned out at the end that he avoided the family because he was being kind and at the end, he granted their wish for immortality in horrible ways but as the brother said: "He never raised his voice. That was the worst part."
Morpheus gave them a horrible punishment for their choices but it was all done calmly. Just them living the life they had until now but it's no longer a dream. How dare they even call their deeds a dream? It's the ugly reality of who they actually are and what they did and now without the ability to hide behind the facade that it's what they dream of, they face it.
YES doctor who and the sandman? You are based af
@@ladyfoxwf1075 Is it a good thing or a bad thing?
@@racheldisk4812 A very very good thing
The part when the doctor traps the girl in the mirror but still visits her because shes the only one that he really pities... hell yea. Shits hard.
Boyd Holbrook’s performance was one of the best I’ve ever seen.
It's a great scene. How many people in real life see themselves as victims when in fact they are the abusers?
Too many.
Most
Extremely a lot
One does not rule out the other.
I've been both and it has been tearing me apart for years now
I had my doubts so I watched the first season and now I cannot wait for the second
I need Dream to judge all of murderer on this earth😢
some murders are justified, these murders are different. They're selfish, not self-preserving
If I could have the powers of any one of the Endless, Dream would be at the top of my list. The ability to give people a broader perspective and allow them to empathize with others would solve so many problems in the world.
Id be Death
Dream: tonight when she sleeps, I will find her.
That's so creepy that he can actually do that.
Me: I'll never wanna sleep again.
And yet we sing a song every Christmas that goes “he sees you and me you’re sleeping and he knows when you’re awake”
I read the comic but seeing it like this make it all diffrent.
Poetic
The Corinthian
Since he is making them feel the guilt forever that means they will end up in hell and never be able to overcome their guilt this forever remaining there
Their punishment is even worse since we know now that Hell is real in this universe. Every and each one of them is going there, sooner or later.
Much sooner, actually, I'm pretty sure.
For those that believe it to be real..
@@clarkkentwithglasses4759Idk if that's how that works when it comes to punishment.
@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883 it is how it works.If you don't believe in hell. They simply seize to exist from what i gather.I mean, that's anti life.
In sandman it is yes you dont go to hell or heaven unless you believe in them .
@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883it's stated in Sandman and also the spin off Lucifer comic that the inhabitants of hell are essentially only there because of their belief that they deserve punishment. If they were able to actually forgive themselves they would no longer be there.
It was said that in the comics, Dream took away the delusions of the serial killers. As for the Corinthian, Dream was able to create a different one that still had the memories of the original one. I can't say if they'll adapt the creation of that Corinthian. That will be for the developers to decide.
Why does dream look so much like Lucien castle from the originals
If they miscasted the show, it would be dogshit, but man did they nail it.
Death was a massive miscast
@@Chevalier_knight I would say since the show didn’t focus on death, It wasn’t overtly noticeable to me, but it was a miscast visually
@@MrWadewynn it had an entire episode about her
@@Chevalier_knight i felt it was more of a segway into that story about the friendship between Dream and the immortal man. But if it bothered you that much, yeah I can see her presence being potentially perturbing during the first 2/3rds of that episode. It didn’t bother me, but it can definitely be seen as a major miscast that would bother many. i enjoyed the casting for lots of characters so it sort of slipped past me
@@Chevalier_knightWhat? No. She perfectly captured the caring older sister feeling of Death.
Now imagine that room full todays politicians… wouldn’t that be something
Love it ❤
I wonder how true they will be to the series in Season 2, can’t wait
this series kinda reminds me of TRON and CLU, The corinthian isnt really doing anything wrong, hes doing what he was created to do. and the sandmans dissapointment in his actions must hurt cause to him he's been doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing. what he was created for. and cannot comprehend why he must be "punished" by his creator for doing the thing that his creator wanted.
I thought that’s Ryan Gosling
😮
This is what reminds when You lose the respect of your friends
Dreams logic is that people should feel guilty for taking people out of realms of sin and letting them rest or be in heaven instead
Corithian is the best casting for Lucifer and they waste him 😂
I really don't like Rose Walker or anyone like her. I just don't like that a human born by chance can threaten things like the endless
How'd they find an actor with such a small mouth?
The human experience is overrated.
If it was people won't shooting themselves and calling confessing to the police
Why he look so much like my husband Nanami
Because Cornthian came first. Your mean: Why nanami look like him ?
@@arthursouza9641 nah? he dont even look like one from comic of Neil Gaiman
@@nowhere5193 that's literally how the corinthian in the comics looks like...
Jujutsu kaisen was a mix of harrry pottter, man in black & the sandman
Ask keano reeves I'd say cast away
Robert Pattinson will be great for dream role
I loved this show for the first 5 episodes, then just lost interest. It went off the rails.
Episodes 6 and 11 were amazing, dude.
@@arthursouza9641 that is your opinion, personally I found them boring, and basically making dream a side character in his own series. Like I said, after episode 5 it went downhill in my opinion.
@@jcfra420 Like the comics, dumb. In various sandman stories, Sandman / dream is a side character, inclusive in the arcs adapted in first season.
The show it´s only faithful.
@@arthursouza9641 Aww is little Arthur triggered? Sorry I interacted with you once in good faith, but anyone that cannot make a counterpoint without insulting like a little child is someone I do not take seriously. Thanks for playing though.
@@jcfra420In the comics, Dream is only the main character like half the time
They should have done an anime or animated series, real characters is just way too cringe and off putting. Definitely when it's woke to boot.
You’re criticizing Neil Gaiman for being woke? Have you READ a Neil Gaiman comic? Dude had trans protagonists in the 90s. I’m sure he won’t care if bigoted idiots like you get butthurt about his show. Talk about cringe, you are the embodiment of the word.
Sandman has always been woke dude.
@@geeman.8081tbh, Neil Gaiman made Sandman. So if people are shocked it’s “woke”, I don’t know what else to tell them.
sandman was ever woke. Do you really not knowing this? 😂
@@geeman.8081 well it’s woke on steroids here. Every white straight character is race and sexuality swapped. Feels super shallow and racist
1:53 fare judgement
Um Jeffrey Dahmer here wasnt punished enough. The things he did to men and thats all he gets? Art imitating life, i guess....
Talk about missing the point
@CMOT101 enlighten me then. What was being conveyed by depicting a corporeal entity activly stalking and killing gay men of color over the course of decades unchecked and unpunished, only to eventually be erased while the damage he's done is irreparable. Explain
@CMOT101 enlighten me then. What was being conveyed depicting a corporeal entity that harmed men of color over the course of decades who's only punishment was to be erased and eventually remade while the damage he's done receives no justice and is irrevocable. Explain
@CMOT101 enlighten me then instead of leaving pretentious passive aggressive responses that don't explain what you assert.
@@doriancoreyscloset421 you understand better if you see the episode where he punishes the writer. This punishment is basically making them aware of all the pain they've caused and simultaneously cursing them to never be able to sugarcoat it. Hence you see their extreme reactions to the punishments